Jackie Tohn is Happy To Be Here!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Not Skinny But Not Fat – “Jackie Tohn is Happy To Be Here!”
Host: Amanda Hirsch (Dear Media)
Guest: Jackie Tohn
Release Date: November 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Amanda Hirsch sits down with actress, comedian, and musician Jackie Tohn, known for her role as Esther on the hit show Nobody Wants This (created by Erin Foster). The conversation is a relatable, energetic deep-dive into Jackie’s upbringing, career, and experience with success, fame, and personal growth. The two share plenty of Jewish East Coast humor, self-deprecation, showbiz realness, and welcoming vulnerability about the highs and lows of working in Hollywood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Amanda’s "Year of Yes" & Live Show Reflections

• Amanda opens with reflections on her “Year of Yes” in 2025, pushing herself into new experiences outside her norm (00:14–03:12).
  • She describes trying to break out of her comfort zone:
    “I was like, let’s change up this old Amanda…try the thing that you were scared to do or had something blocking you from doing.” (01:30)
• She also recounts her successful one-night-only live show:
  • Despite loving the experience, she doubts she’s cut out for a touring life:
    “Yes, new Amanda, but not everything.” (03:12)

Jewish Upbringing & Early Creative Drive

• Jackie and Amanda bond over their Jewish and New York/L.I. upbringings, joking about city/borough rivalries (08:46–10:11).
  • Jackie: “I grew up in Oceanside, Long Island…being from Long Island, I don’t have that experience because we’re all like, oh my god, Oceanside, Plainview…we can’t wait to tell each other what trash people we are...” (09:32)
• Jackie shares that she was always performing:
  “I never didn’t know that I was all those things right away. I came out of my mom and I was like, hello, my bad.” (10:43)
• Her mother, funny in a Joan Rivers way, was supportive but not interested in performing herself (11:01–11:43).

The Realities of an Acting Career

• Jackie started acting at age 9, recounting her persistence and grit:
  • “It was like a little bit psychotic that I was continuing to try to be in this business…But then I just was like, I’m – this is what I’m doing. If I’m doing it broke, I’m doing it broke.” (13:45)
• Changing desires: Jackie was once focused on fame, but through friendships with highly successful stars (Kristen Bell, Jessica Biel), she learned the real rewards are about the work, not the fame (14:19–19:36).
  • “You realize very quickly that if you can’t eat lunch without people staring at you…that’s not the good part.” (17:30)
• Jackie’s perspective on modern fame vs. artistry:
  • “There’s not a lot of, like, megatalents whose goal is fame. That’s like a new thing.” (19:51)
  • Amanda quips, "That's an influencer," highlighting the culture shift (20:06).

Breaking In: From Long Island to LA via The Nanny and Sopranos

• Jackie shares her early credits, including playing multiple characters on The Nanny (28:31–29:08):
  • “I played a young Fran Drescher…first her second cousin Tiffany twice removed…then a few years later because they were like, who gives a shit?”
• Her mom’s incredible support in getting her to auditions, even with two other children and full-time work (30:10).
• College plans and backup careers: Jackie went to the University of Delaware for elementary education before booking The Sopranos and leaving after one semester (32:47–35:35).
  • Self-deprecating humor about "ruining kids" as a teacher, reflecting her comfort in comedy.

Hollywood Connections & Lessons from Friends' Fame

• Jackie discusses meeting Kristen Bell through black box theatre, living with Jessica Biel, and what it’s like to see friends reach major success (26:57–28:20).
• There are candid insights into how most of her early acting friends quit because of the career’s unpredictability (27:12–27:52).

"Nobody Wants This": Behind the Scenes

• Amanda and Jackie gush over Nobody Wants This, its origins, and the humble expectations the cast had before it became an unexpected hit (43:48–45:23).
  • On the show's success: “It wasn’t like they called cut at the end of season one and we were like, see, everyone else is losers and we’re winners. We had no, no idea.” (44:57)
• Jackie credits the show’s relatability:
  “You’re watching flawed people be real people…these characters aren’t 22…these are truly, like, I love younger people in love…but I also love older people in love.” (46:00–46:59)
• Addressing fan response and anticipation for Season 2, Jackie remains grounded:
  • “The expectations are bonkers. But I’m also like, I gotta grow out of the, like, I’m just happy to be here energy…but also, like, it doesn’t feel like pressure…” (47:32–47:49)

Show Family & Casting Stories

• The show is a family affair: Adam Brody’s wife Leighton Meester guest stars; Jackie’s boyfriend Joe ends up playing Leighton’s husband due to a serendipitous table read (48:41–50:53).
  • Jackie: “It’s my actual boyfriend playing Adam’s wife’s husband. Isn’t that funny? And everyone was like – and cut. Jackie, we’re rolling. Can you leave?” (51:14)
• Jackie initially auditioned for a different role, but friend Kristen Bell encouraged her to go for Esther:
  • “I emailed my agent…Kristen says I should wait for another role called Esther. And they were like, great. We’ll wait for Esther.” (53:12)

The Challenges of Self-Image and Success

• Jackie is strikingly honest about rejection and insecurity in show business (55:00–55:26).
  • “It’s just a lifetime of not getting the part…It’s not like I’m not sitting at home in fetal [position] weeping, but…it’s not you 99% of the time. And so when it’s you, it feels fucking good.” (55:00)
• Discussion of some backlash to her character ("Esther") and the over-analysis of Jewishness and personality in public discourse (55:39–56:46).

Manifesting, Future Projects, and TV Obsessions

• The conversation ends with Amanda leading a quick manifesting session for Jackie:
  • “What are we manifesting next?” (59:18)
  • Jackie: “A musical movie…I wrote a script for a musical romantic comedy that I want to make. I just feel like I’d love to sing in something. I love musicals.” (59:33)
• Jackie’s TV obsessions: RuPaul’s Drag Race ("I watch it in every country. I keep the subtitles on, obsessed." 60:04–60:15), Love Island, and a playfully dismissive take on following reality show couples after the show (60:15–61:03).
  • She wants to be a guest judge on RuPaul’s Drag Race: “Now I’m looking at the camera: judge on RuPaul’s Drag Race. Thank you.” (61:05)
• Amanda and Jackie close with playful disbelief that their time is up:
  • Jackie: “Wait, we’re done? I blacked out. Did we have fun?” (61:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On sticking with acting despite hardship:
  “At a certain point, it was like a little bit psychotic that I was continuing to try to be in this business as unsuccessful as I had been. But then I just was like, I’m – this is what I’m doing. If I’m doing it broke, I’m doing it broke.”
  — Jackie (13:45)

• On realizing fame isn’t the real prize:
  “The work is inspiring. Having a job, having health insurance, getting to go to set and do this thing you love…But you realize very quickly…if you can’t eat lunch without people staring at you…that’s not the good part.”
  — Jackie (17:30)

• On Nobody Wants This’s surprise success:
  “We had no, no idea…Even when I watched all episodes of season one, I was like, I love this, but you can’t ever be confident as a creator or as an actor.”
  — Jackie (44:57)

• On why the show works:
  “You’re watching flawed people be real people. It’s not like a meet-cute…It’s just real shit that people go through.”
  — Jackie (46:16)

• On seizing her dream role:
  “With the gusto of Kristen in my sails, I emailed my agent…Kristen says I should wait for another role called Esther…And then I auditioned for Esther.”
  — Jackie (53:12)

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Important Timestamps

• Amanda’s “Year of Yes” reflections: 00:14–03:12
• Jackie’s creative upbringing: 08:46–13:00
• Insight into showbiz and desire for fame: 14:19–20:25
• Early credits: The Nanny & Sopranos: 28:31–35:35
• Nobody Wants This – origins, success, and experience: 43:48–47:49
• Jackie’s boyfriend and real-life friends on the show: 48:41–50:53
• Manifesting future projects & TV obsessions: 59:18–61:05

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is candid, irreverent, and warm—rich with self-aware humor, honest talk about success and struggle, Jewish culture references, and the supportive, teasing affection of two women who share both comedic timing and real vulnerability. Listeners will feel welcomed into a living room hang more than a formal interview, and be treated to plenty of showbiz “inside baseball” with high relatability.

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For fans of “Nobody Wants This,” aspiring actors, or anyone who’s ever doubted themselves, this episode is both entertaining and deeply encouraging.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[B]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars.

[C]

On my very own podcast, where you'll.

[B]

Feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello? Hi, guys. It's Amanda. Yes, it's a little different Amanda because she's had a week. She's had a week. And. And. And I was like, I'm so self conscious. I was like, my people are gonna think that I was, like, abducted by aliens. And like, another Amanda was returned. Because why is she out and about every day when she's usually at home in her pajamas? So here's what happens. Sometimes you manifest and, like, be careful what you manifest for, because everybody knows about my year of, yes, 2025, which, like, is crazy. We're almost in 2026. Like, that's it. My year versus almost over. And it's like I created an amendment. How do you say that word? In September, I had this weird, freaky, like, not spiritual experience, like, dumb bitch spiritual experience where I. I was like, cuz I know, like, during Rosh Hashanah, like, the sky's open for a second. You can, like, ask for. Make sure you get into, like, the. The heavens of the Jews. Anyway, I'm not here to explain Judaism. There was something about September energetically. I know. Bear with me where I was like, I feel like this is like my month to really put it all out. Put it all out there and like, let's change up this like old Amanda, but who's like, anti going anywhere, anti doing anything. Just wants to do what she's like, comfortable with, which is like her pod, her Instagram, stay at home with her family. Like, go out maybe when it's like a paid job or like a friend's thing, you know? And I was like, let's change it up. Like, I've been in the bears. Like, I've been around for a while and, like, it's time to, like, have some fun. Change it up. Try the thing that you were scared to do or had something blocking you from doing. So I literally put that out in the universe. Like, this is my year of, like, doing the things that I didn't want to do. Like, I never was into, like, going anywhere to just, like, you know, be seen, mingle. Take the photo. I'm like, no, go take the photo. Take the motherfucking photo. Like, go to the cool event that like, you know, you don't have to be there, but it's, like, cool if you are. So it's kind of all that happening at the same time. And I'm kind of comparing it to, you know, when an actor has, like, a lot of movies coming out at the same time. I think I asked Lena Dunham this when she was on my show. I'm like, do you pick up the phone? And you're like, I'm back. But Jazz line up my. And she was like, no. It kind of just, like, happens like you're working on a bunch of. Comes out all at the same time. So that's how I feel about this past week. Like, it's not going to be like this five ever. Like, it's gonna.

[C]

Hopefully.

[B]

That was, like, the week, but generally I am, like, in this different mind state of, like, change it. The up girl, Curly Pop. Anyway, yeah, it was a week of Wednesday, my live show, which was incredible. Thank you, anyone and everyone who came. I was. I had so much fun. I literally felt like Nikki Glazer for a hot second. I loved seeing you guys. I loved, like, I loved being with you. Like, that's my favorite part. I think people think that, like, podcasters, influencers, and people in that space have, like, huge egos because everyone's like. Because they wanted me to, like, do a tour. And I was like, let me see if I like doing, like, this show. That's why I called it one night only. And everyone thinks we have such a big head, and, like, all we need is people, like, you know, loving on us to make us want to do something. So we were like, you're going to go. They're all there for you. They're going to love you. It's great for you. And, like, you're going to want to do this forever. And, like, I loved it. I loved that, like, I put together a good show that made people laugh and have fun. But, like, it's not like, I was like, oh, my God, like, born for the sage. Yes. But, like, I don't know for that stage, you know, like, yes, I like doing it. I'll. I'll. I'll probably do it again. I don't know if I'm the girly who's gonna, like, fly from Minneapolis to Utah on the same weekend. Like, that's just not me. So, like, yes, new Amanda, but not everything. Anyway, on to the next today's guest. I'm so excited because I'm obsessed with. Nobody wants this. I feel like everybody is. It's not like a niche thing I'm obsessed with. Nobody wants us like everybody else. Show created by Aaron Foster, who I freaking adore. The cast is amazing. Love a hot rabbi. Love the moment. Love that it's back for season two. So I'm so excited for you guys to hear my interview today with Jackie Tone. She plays Esther on Nobody wants this. I'm obsessed with that show. Aaron is a genius and I admire her and her work and everyone in this cast is so amazing. Kristen Bell, Adam Brody. Esther really brings it this season and Jackie Tone is just the coolest. She's so excited to be here. She's so humble, she's so down to earth and she's really just soaking in this moment in the cutest, most like aware and self deprecating way. Just a fun Jewish girl from Long Island. It's such a fun one. So I hope you enjoy it. Jackie Tone, everybody. Not ton. If you thought it was on, you are wrong. Jackie Tone. Bye. Enjoy you guys.

[C]

Jackie Tone is here. I'm so happy you're here.

[A]

I'm so happy to be here.

[C]

This is the truth. Before I started my podcast, I was obsessed with Armchair Expert and you're one of like the first guests that I heard on there. And I loved your episode so much back then. You and so fun to like rediscover you yet again and again and again and again.

[A]

Oh, that's really nice. Thank you.

[C]

Is the pressure on for us because we're both Jewish and cute and everyone's like, you're gonna love each other because you're both Jewish and funny.

[A]

Maybe was before I walked in the door.

[C]

And now it's off.

[A]

But it's off now because I'm like, God, you're Jewish and cute also. You know what I was thinking while you were asking that question?

[C]

Oh, you were scared?

[A]

No, I was like, what a mouth shape you have.

[C]

What is it? Oh, like my lips?

[A]

No, but just the whole shape, the way the teeth hit.

[C]

I mean, I don't know about the teeth hitting. I'm insecure about the teeth hitting lately. I don't know. You know when you watch yourself too much? Yes, but yeah, and I'm like, I just told her today. I was like, look how like when I talk, it goes left. Like, did I have a stroke? And then the one tooth is like poking out. I'm seeing, I'm seeing something crazy.

[A]

You gotta stop. Well, the shape of your mouth and the shape of your teeth is like.

[C]

I love that you're saying the shape of your mouth French Kiss.

[A]

It's incredible.

[B]

Yeah, You're.

[C]

You're.

[A]

You're. I want to validate how you're feeling, but I also want you to know that you're wrong.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

My.

[A]

How do I combo. I say this to my boyfriend all the time. I'm like, I want to validate you, but how do I do that while also being like, no.

[C]

What does he get insecure about?

[A]

Oh, all of. I mean, me, I'm insecure constantly. And all of us. But it's like, whatever. It's not even necessarily. I was gonna say physical. It's like, not even. It's just any random thing.

[B]

I'll.

[A]

I'll think of something while we're chatting.

[C]

It is, like, true.

[A]

It is true about everything.

[C]

It is true sometimes, right? Because you don't want them to just say, stop, you're beautiful. You want, like, the full. Go through the emotions with me and get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I do get what you're saying because I have things like that. Because you're gross and I see your weird mouth. No, I do understand what you're saying because I. I have so many things on myself that I feel that way about.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's like, I just. Why do we do that when someone's like, oh, that's good, and you're like, it's not. I do it.

[C]

Why do we do that, my love? Because look where we live.

[A]

I know.

[C]

Like, we see that. Even the Kris Jenner facelift. It's like, you know, the. All the rage. Everyone's dying, fainting, fawning.

[A]

True.

[C]

Then now there's a new wave of like. Well, she doesn't look like that in this picture. And like, she faces.

[A]

Oh, the new wave is wild.

[C]

The new wave. There's like a. The wave was last week. We were excited. We wanted the surgeon's number. This week, like, comparing things. By the way, interviewed her. She looks gorgeous. Irl.

[A]

I mean, incredible.

[C]

To die for it. Don't even try to take it away.

[B]

So, I mean, that's why. Right? True.

[C]

But. But I'm confident and it's fine. So I can hate on my little tooth. You know what I mean?

[A]

100.

[C]

I'm fine with it.

[A]

Great.

[C]

What if I didn't have those things? That'd be annoying anyway, so you're not. The pressure is off because we're both cute and we're both Jewish. So you grew up.

[B]

I'm listening.

[C]

Where did you grow up?

[A]

I grew up in Oceanside, Long Island.

[C]

Did you say? Because I. Well, I grew up, like, in The Bronx, technically, in Riverdale.

[B]

Do you know it?

[A]

But I know the Bronx, of course.

[B]

So.

[C]

So it is officially New York City.

[A]

Okay, relax.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

No one said it was.

[C]

I'm just. I'm just saying. As opposed to you. Okay.

[A]

I'm just saying, like, leading with it. Is it. Is it officially New York City?

[C]

Is why I'm asking.

[A]

The Bronx feels his bridge and tunnel.

[C]

As Long island, one of the boroughs.

[A]

It is a borough.

[C]

Okay. And I remember, like meeting so many people from Long island. And it was always. And I'm not even making this up to be funny. It was literally like, oh, where are you from? Oh, like 15 minutes outside the city. Where? Oh, it's like right out the. You know what I mean? Like, they would never, like, say it.

[A]

I guess being from Long Island, I don't have that experience because we're all like, oh, my God. Oceanside, Plainview. That's crazy science Malvern. Like, it's. We can't wait to tell each other what trash people we are from what part of Long island we're from. Oh, that's funny. I took the Long Island Railroad too. It's like, we can't wait.

[C]

And what about when you would like, come to the city, like, parties or would you. You would say you're from Long Island?

[B]

Oh, always. I'm.

[A]

I'm like painfully like, I don't care, whatever. And. And just honest. Like, I would think it's funny that people were like, oh, bridge and tunnel. And I be like, high five. I could give a solid that you think it's cheesy that I'm from. I don't care, but it's nothing.

[C]

You know, there are a lot of. Amy Schumer's phone.

[A]

Yeah. Rothel Center, a town away. My. One of my best friends, Mel, that I went to school with was best friends with Amy Schumer when there's like little pictures of them and they were like five year old little mice.

[B]

You guys.

[C]

Long island, we keep it.

[A]

Yeah, we keep it tight.

[C]

It breeds some of the best people.

[A]

We keep it tight.

[C]

And growing up in Long island, when did you figure out that you're like this multi talented singer, actress, everything musician?

[A]

I'm like, well, that's really nice to say. You know, I never didn't know that I was all those things right away I came out of my mom and I was like, hello, My bad. That's not even untrue. I just, I didn't necessarily know that I was a multi, like, good at them, but that those were the things I Loved to do since I was little.

[B]

Little.

[A]

I played. My dad played piano and I would sing with him by the piano. My mom is like. My mom could have been like a Joan Rivers, but she. Both my parents were phys ed teachers.

[C]

She could have been a Joan Rivers in, like, a personality.

[A]

Funny, really. And she's not funny. Like, oh, quirky Jewish mother. She said something funny and we're laughing at her like she's writing jokes. She's so quick. She's so funny.

[C]

Did you try to get her cast on? Nobody wants this.

[A]

No, she's not. She'll tell you this. So I'm not really speaking too much out of school here, but you don't want her acting. Like, the second she says something funny and I try and point the camera at her, she's immediately like, well, when I went to the store to get. You're like, what? Who's this now? The other person was so funny.

[C]

Yeah, you need to get her. Like, she can know there's a camera.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And when she doesn't. We had a bit because she had, like, very old turnips in the fridge. They were, like, growing things. And she was like, it's still good. You cut off the. You cut off the green pot that's growing and you. And the second I start filming, she's like, I know.

[C]

It's so true about moms. And why is a stereotype so true that they. Everything is expired in their house?

[A]

No, it doesn't even. And expired is not a thing. It doesn't mean anything to her.

[C]

No. And I'm like, mom, the meds won't work. I'm not saying you'll die. I'm saying, like, they won't work. You know what I mean?

[A]

Well, calamine lotion will still do for the bug bites. You have calamine lotion? That company went out of business in 1989.

[C]

Toss that. You're so good at the accent.

[A]

Toss that.

[C]

Did you have the accent?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And what?

[C]

Did you work on it or did it go away naturally?

[A]

I remember. You know, it's funny. I went to an acting coach named Michael Blinderman when I was a little kid, and he had the thickest Long island accent on planet Earth. But he was. Who was teaching me not to have a Long island accent. I'm just remembering. He was like, so instead of saying walk, you're gonna wanna say walk. And I was like, okay, Michael. Copy that. And then I was like, in these little videos, trying to not have a New York accent.

[C]

It didn't. Wait at what age were you like doing this?

[A]

Oh, little. 10, 11.

[C]

No, 10, 11. So was Mom. Momager or were you pushing this? You were pushing it, ma'.

[A]

Am. This was.

[C]

You were crazy.

[A]

Yeah, my parents, I'm telling you, my parents were like inner city phys ed teachers.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then my mom quit her job to take me on auditions because I was like, where's my top hat? Where's my cane? How does this tuxedo jacket not have tails?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Sick.

[C]

Because, you know, a lot of actors say this, but you, you, you see them and they're not you.

[B]

Right.

[C]

They're like more subdued and they're like. You wouldn't believe what I was like when I was little because maybe they were different. But with you I can picture it. You know what I mean?

[A]

It's just like for better or for worse, the consistency is at an. Is at a hundred out of ten. It's just like I've never wanted to do. I think I talked about this with Dax on, on Armchair. Just that like at a certain point it was like a little bit psychotic that I was continuing to try to be in this business because as unsuccessful as I had been. But then I just was like, I'm. This is what I'm doing. If I'm doing it broke, I'm doing it broke. If I'm doing it, what made it do. Yeah, I, I could, I can't do anything else.

[C]

Did you want the fame or you want it to be like a working funny woman?

[A]

So since my 20s, I've 100% been like, I just want to be working. I love doing this. I love acting, I love laughing, I love telling jokes. I love different line deliveries. I love interpretation of scripts and sides and things you could do with them. And how if you put this script in a hundred actors hands, you're having a hundred different movies because of how.

[C]

100 people in a room.

[A]

It was good. I was just talking about that.

[C]

It was.

[A]

If you put 100 people in the room and something like. And they all. You need one person to chant.

[C]

That was a different line. But it was a right. Yeah, yeah. When they made us believe that they're in love and we fell for it.

[A]

Didn't Pam Anderson and Liam Neeson just.

[C]

Do that to us? They fucking did it.

[A]

They're always doing it to us. And I'll say something, I was just.

[C]

Gonna say that every time, every time.

[A]

I go look at them, they're in love. This time it's real. Pam and Liam.

[C]

Isn't that cute though that we have some naivete left in this world.

[A]

We're like, oh, love is real.

[B]

Love is real.

[C]

He never got over Natasha. Stop. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's she beautiful. And then they were like, no, no, no. Anyways.

[A]

On the farm and has no mascara.

[B]

How about. I love it.

[C]

I love it, too.

[B]

Me, too. I think she's.

[C]

I live for the combat.

[A]

Me too.

[C]

Legend. Yes. Okay, so in your 20s, you were.

[B]

All about just working. Oh.

[A]

I mean, since my. So I started acting when I was nine. And what's really funny is how many DMs I get from, like, old friends from middle school or high school. And they're like, dude, I remember you always said you wanted to be famous. And this is so cool. And all. Everyone in my yearbook was like, you're gonna be famous.

[C]

What was your thing? Did you have, like, a.

[A]

No, we didn't have it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I could feel worse about me. So. So I could win nothing and be like, huh? Anyway, okay, so. But I must have been saying all the time as a kid, you're going to be. I'm going to be famous. I'm going to be famous. But I don't really remember that.

[C]

But everyone is reminding you of everyone else. Does that embarrass you, or.

[A]

No, it would if someone was like, remember when you were 32 and you went to that coffee shop and you were like, I'm going to be famous then.

[C]

Because you were little.

[A]

Yeah, but I was like, always wanted to be the nanny. Coffee shop on 27th. And you were like, I'll be famous. And then I haven't spoken to you since. Cause that's sick.

[C]

But then.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And then it got the.

[B]

The. The.

[C]

The work got important to you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You were like, I'll be good with just doing the work.

[A]

You know, a couple things happened at a young age. It became about the work. I also, as we all do in this business, like, you become friends with very successful people.

[C]

Oh, right. Your bestie's with Kristen Bell.

[A]

She's a mouse. Yeah. And I. I used to live with Jess Biel. Jessica Biel.

[B]

Right. I saw that.

[A]

It's so weird.

[C]

How did that happen?

[A]

It's a weird life. I was at the binoculars, at the window, and she finally opened. No, but the. I have too many thoughts. I know. Okay, no, see, we thought there was gonna be pressure, and there's not because of your mouth shape, so. Stop.

[B]

Don't.

[A]

It's perfect. Okay, so I'll tell you how I met Jess in a second. But the rewind is that I had so many mega successful friends that I was like, oh, this is. I'm afraid to say things like this, but it's not fun.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I thought you were gonna say it's inspiring.

[A]

No, well, of the work. Exactly.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The work is inspiring. Having a job, having health insurance, getting to go to set and do this thing you love, interpret these scripts. That part is amazing. But you realize very quickly that, like, if you can't eat lunch without people staring at you and fake filming you and it's like, like it's not the end of the world. But that's not the good part.

[C]

Right?

[A]

That's not the good part. And so I think I realized very young. I mean, fake not like, you know what I mean? Like they're faking a selfie, but they're pointing it. You're like, we all. Everyone knows.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it Cole or Dylan Sprouse? Was that Instagram?

[C]

I know, but I don't know about that Instagram.

[A]

Oh, tell me.

[C]

No, I only know about it. No, I think it's funny, but I also think it's like kind of like condescending to the people. You know what I mean?

[A]

I don't disagree.

[C]

Yeah, I don't disagree.

[A]

But I also think it's a little condescending, but it's also maybe putting them in his.

[C]

Right. That's what most people think because he's.

[A]

Like, well, you're secret filming me, right? I'm not condescending to you by doing exactly you're doing to me.

[C]

I know I would.

[A]

Hey, would I do it? No, it depends.

[C]

To me, like, if the secret filming is like, I'm so excited to see this person, or if it's like, what is he doing? Like, I, you know, you know what I mean? Like, it's totally the secret filming if it's coming from a good place or not.

[A]

Hard to say.

[C]

I know, but that's my kind of like, you know, take on that 100%. So you're saying. So wait, so having the mega successful friends turned you on or you were like, wait, success comes with this. All the things, scary stuff.

[A]

It was really only the answer to when I stopped wanting to be famous and only wanted to just like be a working after comic singer person who could like, pay the bills and like, have a life as an artist and yeah, sure, get the validation of my peers thinking I, you know, have talent.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it stopped being the, like wanting to be everybody, to know your name or a household name, because that comes.

[C]

With A lot of you saw the downsides of.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

You saw the downside.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I mean, look at fudgeing like Justin Bieber or like Britney Spears is like what I'm saying. Yeah. We're giving like extreme examples. But then you're like, whoa, is fame like the fame. Fame really what we know what we want?

[A]

Like, I don't think I'm. I'd have to imagine, like, there's not a lot of people. How do I say this? There's not a lot of, like, mega talents whose goal is fame.

[B]

Right.

[C]

We. I hope not.

[A]

That's like a new thing.

[C]

That's like an influencer.

[A]

Yeah. I think the goal is, even with influencers, it's like the goal is. Is maybe a little bit of fame, but isn't it, like, to make a living doing these fun things? I mean, everyone's just like, how can I.

[C]

There are some people where it's fame, I think.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like a standalone.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

But hopefully.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

We'll be right back after the break.

[B]

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[C]

And we're back. So you're having all these mega successful friends. You're doing the work. You're, you're, you're doing the work. All these years, did you feel like at any point I want that? Like I want always.

[A]

So I wanted it before I met.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And really what happens with all of us as actors is like most of my friends I started out acting with have quit acting because you there, you're a grown up and you need to earn a living and. Yeah, but you know, pay support your kids and have a life. Right. So I think then some of them that I met in my, in my, like Jess I met in my teenage years. Kristen I met my very early 20s. And you know, Kristen wasn't a. Was not a very famous person. We met doing like tips. Black, but black. We met doing black box theater. So she was. We were nobody. Nobody was anybody. I don't like that term. I was nobody.

[C]

You were right.

[A]

But like we, she was. We had a mutual director, this guy Andy Fickman, who was directing her in a little like black box theater show called Snow and directing me in one called which camera should I look at? This one. Jewtopia. And you already knew.

[C]

Yeah. And wait, so two separate plays, just same director, and that's how you met?

[A]

Because we were like of the same age and we just met and we went on a date to the flea market and we were like, oh my God, we are in love. And then we've been friends. That was since 2003.

[C]

Oh, wow. So you really watched her entire career.

[A]

Yeah, but with Jess, I met her at the TV Guide awards when I was there with my friend who was the son on the Nanny.

[C]

Wait, weren't you on the Nanny? I read that was one of your. Wait, so what was your role?

[A]

I was just in a couple episodes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I played two different characters. I played a young Fran Drescher.

[C]

Oh my God. I know, that's genius.

[A]

Insane. I played a young. So first I played her. Her second cousin Tiffany twice removed. And then I played a different character a few years later because they were like, who gives a shit?

[C]

Nobody.

[A]

Doesn't matter. I played like a girl who was in detention and she comes in and I'm like dressed like her. I have the bouffant, a miniskirt.

[B]

Dead.

[A]

Dead.

[C]

Did you like the show? Did you know it?

[A]

Okay, Obsessed. I've seen every episode.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

It's my absolute. I mean like the end all, be all goal is like half hour multi cam. Come down the stairs.

[C]

Does Fran Drescher remember? Yeah, she does. I mean, she's like President SAG or something. Was important.

[A]

She was, yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She's amazing. And I've run into her many times and she's a cutie. And she.

[C]

Is she from Long Island?

[A]

I don't think so. I think she might be from Brooklyn. She's definitely from New York, but I don't. She was working at about maybe Flushing. I don't know.

[C]

You did the nanny when you were how old?

[A]

Was my first TV job, so 12 and then again at like 15.

[C]

So you were in Long island at the time doing auditions? Yeah. What, you got an agent? Like, you got the whole thing?

[A]

Aggie Gold of Fresh Faces Agency in Baldwin, Long Island.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Worked out of her back house.

[C]

But they got you into auditions.

[A]

Auditions.

[C]

And your mom saw this was your dream.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

And, and, and did. Did everything.

[A]

I mean, it's crazy when I think about it. Now that I'm grounded, it's like, oh, funny. Whoa. Like, what you had to do for me to get on. Seriously. And like had an appointment book and the Long Island Railroad and getting me out of school and like, also, I have two brothers who she was raising and my dad was at work in Brooklyn. I mean, it's like, it was a lot. And I was just like, we have an audition, let's go. Like, I didn't know I was 12.

[C]

Right. And your brothers are older?

[A]

My brothers are older.

[C]

Okay. Do they. Were they like Mom?

[A]

I don't think so.

[C]

If it was sisters, maybe, but brothers, I feel like.

[A]

And also, they were like deep teenagers at that point. So it's not like they need to be babies. Sad. Like, one was 12, one was 15. They were fine coming home from school and just being like at the house.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know?

[C]

So your mom. At what point are you like, we need to move to LA for this dream?

[A]

No point. I. Well, not we, because my. That's what I meant by no point. So then when I went, I went to the University of Delaware.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Nat.

[C]

Blue Hens. My sister went. I got hit with a football in the face when I went to the game.

[A]

Did you?

[C]

Like, I have a skill to have things happen to me.

[A]

Wait a minute. Like, were you okay to break your nose?

[C]

No, I was okay. It hit me in the lip.

[B]

Lots of.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now I.

[C]

This. I will not be going to this size school. And I didn't.

[B]

Oh, it was very big.

[A]

That makes sense.

[C]

It was very overwhelming.

[A]

The argument could be made that you'd be more likely to get hit in the face with a football at a smaller school. Like, less people that it would hit you.

[C]

But I just knew that I didn't want the football and I don't want the frats. And it was, like, too much for me.

[A]

What about. You wanted none of that? Yeah, but I went to the campus, and everyone was giving me the, like, when you know, you'll know spiel. And I liked it fine. And I was like, all right, I guess I know. And I went like.

[C]

It wasn't like, when you know. You know about the college door, like.

[A]

Where they're just like, wow, this campus is really.

[C]

Well, the campus is really nice.

[B]

It is beautiful.

[C]

And the weather is, like, nice there and east coast, we're sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was like, I definitely didn't have a. I just had a good vibe.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Like, the person who took us on the tour was cool, and I was like, this could be cool. I also, since I was a kid actor, I just wanted to go to, like, I don't want to go to nyu. I wanted to go to, like, a normal school that was away person.

[C]

Why did you want to not, like, study acting?

[A]

Well, I had been doing it for so long, and I was never a person. And I think it's fabulous when people get their degree and whatever they feel passionate about. That was never my thing. I never was like, oh, I now need to, like, my parents or a loan or $200,000 for someone to get. I have the agent. I have the thing I have. It just didn't make sense.

[C]

Did you want to back the plan?

[A]

Yeah. I went to college for elementary education.

[C]

So you could do that.

[A]

You know how many kids I saved by getting hired as an actor?

[C]

You know how many kids you saw yourself as like, my backup is a second grade teacher.

[A]

My backup is ruining your kid. Could you imagine?

[B]

Sit down.

[A]

Would you shut the fuck up? No patient.

[C]

But you did think because you went.

[A]

To school for psychology. I love psychology. I feel like therapy, even though I'm a live wire lunatic. I love to listen. I love to give advice. I love all of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So therapy feels like. I feel like most therapists are probably nuts. It's what got them into it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I. I majored in elementary education, but I promptly dropped out.

[C]

Promptly because you got a gig?

[A]

Couple things. I missed orientation because I booked a job as Meadow's best friend on the Sopranos.

[C]

Love. Meadow was my I. I was Delulu like you. Not as.

[A]

No, but it is Delulu.

[B]

Not like so Delulu.

[A]

And then if it happens, great. But it's Delulu to think you can.

[C]

And I went to this acting school in New York called acting. And the reason I picked it was because T I N e ac. Big T E E N actine.

[A]

It sounds like an acne medication.

[C]

And I saw Meadow.

[A]

She was at act.

[C]

Yeah. And I've told her since I've told.

[A]

Jamie, like, she acting at act or was she already Meadow?

[C]

No, she was both. Like, she studied there, so they put her picture and I told her about it recently. I was like, just so you know, that's why I went. Cuz I was like, like metal me. Yeah.

[A]

Acting also sounds like a French woman with a cough and a little bit of blood comes up.

[C]

Yeah, no, but I was a Delulu like you, so I get it.

[A]

But I mean, it's so.

[C]

Meadow, you say it again.

[A]

Jamie Lynn's the greatest.

[C]

Jamie Lynn's the greatest.

[A]

So I played her best friend Heather. Yes. In an episode. And I missed my college orientation. I had to. My parents drove me up. Then I had to drive. I had to take the train back to New York when I booked the part. Then my mom was like driving me to Silver cup in Queens to shoot the show. And I had just turned 18 and all the other girls on the soccer team were under 18 and so they kept me. They could keep me crazy hours. So there was a time no one knew what the Sopranos was. And because I sang, people were like, the Sopranos, you're an alto. I'm like, okay. And it was like, truly. And then I was like doing like sort of background work in a scene with Edie Falco because they were allowed to keep me there extra hours because I was the ripe old age of 18.

[C]

So how long did you last at Udell?

[A]

Right. So then the first semester. That's the answer to the question, the first semester. But what I was gonna say is.

[C]

Okay, that's something that you got the experience is what I mean.

[A]

Honestly, I joined an acapella group. I had like very good friends. It was like I'd been there for eight years. No time I left, people were like, has hysterical. I'd known these people for four months. And I was like, I'll never forget you.

[B]

Nobody.

[A]

Phil. Phil was one of my friends from the singing group. Anyways, there was a big. What was called, I guess at the time, a mini mester because it wasn't a full trimester. There Was a break, like, December to February.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And Aggie Gold, my agent, was like, go to la, See what's. See what happens on the brain. What happens is you meet Jesse Beal at the TV Guide Awards, and you drop out of college.

[C]

So you got. You went to the TV Guide Awards because you were on the Nanny and you became friends with the kid, the son, Sheffield. Son, Maxwell.

[A]

I mean. I mean, Brighton.

[C]

So you became IRL Friend.

[A]

Irl. We were friends for years and years.

[C]

So you went as, what, his date?

[A]

Yeah, but, like, we were friends. Yeah.

[C]

You went with, literally, Mr. Sheffield son. Right, right. Awards, Right. Me, Jessica Biel, was on seventh Heaven.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And you, like, like, clicked immediately. And she was like, stay with me.

[A]

Yes. Truly.

[C]

Really?

[A]

I was like, I'm going back to school. I have nowhere to live. And she was like, you could stay at my house. Her voice is deeper than mine. You stay at my house with my parents. With me and my parents and her brother Justin. And I was like, huh? And then.

[C]

Oh, she has a brother Justin.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wasn't tracking.

[A]

Tracking. Oh, he's fabulous. And I moved in with the Beal family in Calabasas.

[B]

Calabasas.

[A]

Can you die? I know.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And then I was like, mom, dad, ship me the RAV4?

[B]

No.

[A]

And did they ever look like a roller skate?

[C]

What? Die for the RAV 4.

[A]

Die for the roller skate one. The new one is very cute, but she looks like other cars. Yeah, that old one was a sight.

[C]

I had the. I couldn't get the RAV4, so I did the Mitsubishi Outlander.

[A]

Okay. I was like. Or CRV people were very happy about it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But the RAV4 was the.

[A]

This is a car pod. Right.

[C]

By the way, who do you get that you look like?

[A]

The ones that I get are so stupid because the people are gorgeous. So saying them I get it. Makes me also feel like, you guys know that I look ex. Like, I do look exactly like a young Courtney Cox. Like, it's shocking.

[B]

You do.

[C]

You do.

[A]

I get that all the time. And, you know, this morning, I got Rachel Brosnahan.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I get Lizzy Kaplan. I used to get the Olsen twins all the time.

[C]

I was thinking somebody else. A little bit resemblance of Alanis.

[A]

Oh, I'll take it.

[C]

Yeah, I'll take it.

[A]

20, 25. Alanis's chef's kiss. She did a little something something. And it's looking right. Really? Oh, it's looking right.

[C]

I love it.

[A]

She looks amazing. I also am obsessed with her.

[C]

Oh, my God. And you never got this before, never stop.

[A]

What about now? I got one man and just kidding.

[C]

The way I was terrified of the thank you video.

[A]

Was she naked with the long hair? Is that a different one?

[C]

No, it was that one. Wild. Terrified.

[B]

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[B]

It's an allure winner. It's the number one bestseller and it's viral on TikTok is the easiest way to glow. Okay. It's lightweight. It's like the forever first step to that. Lit from within. No makeup. Makeup radiance. You need it. I also love their do blush because it's blendable and buildable in a liquid cream blush that I love. Yeah, that's probably my favorite. The blushes and the glosses, like just obsessed with say you can say goodbye to harsh lines, anything like that. You know, just clean Effortless, minimalist and beautiful. Find [e-mail] and every Sephora store across the United States and Canada [e-mail].

[C]

And we're back. We do have to talk about. Nobody wants this.

[A]

What is that?

[C]

Always obsessed, my love, you are. What do you mean?

[A]

Okay, thank you.

[C]

Not to take credit for all its success.

[A]

No, no, no. 100% you should. I'm a doppelganger of no Corny Cobb.

[C]

When Aaron and Sarah were on my show, I watched a screeners last before the premiere last season and I was like, it's so good. And Aaron was like, really? And I was like, yes, because she's so modest. And I was like, what do you mean, Aaron, this is going to be award winning. And she goes, amanda, stop. And I go, it's going to compete with the bear because the bear is somehow a comedy. Which you need to explain to me off camera one time because I don't get the comedy or anything.

[A]

Do you think with a gun to my head I could. I can't. I love the bear.

[C]

I know, but I never get the comedy and the whatever.

[A]

It's not right.

[C]

So. And I literally go to Aaron in the episode, like, it's gonna come in with the bear. It's gonna be nominated. And she was like. And then it was nominated. And of course I'm like, told you so. Told you so. But dude, crazy, crazy, the success.

[A]

I know that Erin is obviously talented, humble, all the things, but she was not bullshitting you that she didn't believe.

[C]

That it would be the season.

[A]

It was not that she didn't believe. We didn't know. It wasn't like they called cut at the end of season one and we were like, see, everyone else is losers and we're winners. We had no, no idea. Even when I watched all episodes of season one, I was like, I love this, but you can't ever be confident as a creator or as an actor. Like, what if you were like, my pod is going to be huge. Everyone would be like, pat, Pat, sweet girl, good luck to you.

[C]

And also, you've been through probably, like.

[A]

How many things I've done that we all that we thought were going to be huge with the biggest names and this and that that, like, didn't come out at all. Were came out. But then whatever. You just don't.

[C]

You don't know.

[A]

It's.

[C]

You couldn't know would be this. What do you think was like really the recipe? Like the sauce that made this what it.

[A]

I honestly was trying to figure that out this morning because a girl was telling me what a huge fan she is and how huge Aaron and Sarah's fan base is. And I was like, yeah, obsessed with them. But that's not. They don't have enough to explain this.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And as huge as Kristen and Adam are, they don't.

[C]

It's like everything. Everybody together.

[A]

It's everything together. But I think the biggest. The biggest truth that I think is that profound. The biggest truth that I think. And then I just fall asleep.

[B]

No, that's. That's.

[C]

That's me.

[A]

But I think it's because you're watching flawed people be real people. It's not like a meet cute. We're like, oh, my gosh, you spilled your wine on me. And now we're in love. It's like, wait, the honeymoon phase is ending? What does that look like? These two have been together 15 years. And especially with season two, as we expand on all these characters and these arcs, it's just like. It's just real shit that people go through. And I also think something we talked about a lot with season one is like, these characters aren't 22 and we live for the kissing booth, but it's like, these are truly, like, I love younger.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, those young people in love. How sweet.

[C]

But also, like, love. Older people in love.

[A]

Yeah, I love, like, some, like, little geriatric kissing.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Older people, but it's true.

[C]

I know. Well, we died for the kissing. By the way, I watched on some of season two, baby. Yes. You guys, I can tell you. I mean, it's out by the time this comes out, but the kissing continues to be good. There's some tongue. Like, there's stuff happening. No, we're.

[A]

It's. It's being brought.

[C]

It's. It's rated R and it's just so good. But I saw Adam say, because the hype was so hyped and you guys got so much love and you didn't know. But now you know, and going into season two with, like, everyone's expectations.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, the expectations are. Are bonkers. But I'm also like, I gotta grow out of the, like, I'm just happy to be here energy.

[B]

But you're still.

[A]

But, like, I don't feel. I feel the expectations. Like, yeah, sure, we want season two to be a smash. Like season one was.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, like, it doesn't feel like pressure. It just feels like, oh, I hope everybody loves this. Like, we're not sitting there looking at each other's Eyes doing our scene being like, oh, man, I sure hope someone likes this.

[C]

Well, Adam said he would describe it as self conscious a little bit more.

[A]

Oh, his performance.

[C]

Like, he. He was talking about his. His hands specifically because he said everybody loved the hands. Everybody love the hands and the kisses.

[A]

I personally love the hands and the kisses.

[C]

Love the hands and the kisses. And, like, everyone died over it and awkwardly asked him and Leighton about it on the carpets and.

[A]

Oh, that's great.

[C]

I know your wife like that.

[A]

It's like, yeah, why don't you put a camera in my room, Peter? Yeah, but they did know that.

[C]

They did.

[A]

They did ask.

[B]

They did ask.

[C]

And by the way, she was on this season. Oh, your boyfriend was on this. Okay, what's happening? What is this? Family affair.

[A]

That's it. It's the only way we do it over there. Also, Justine's boyfriend.

[C]

Not really.

[A]

Swear to God.

[C]

No, he's not.

[A]

He's. And he's an. He's a artist. He's an artist. No.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

There's a scene where somebody. There's an artist there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I can't spoil. Because it's on after it's on. Okay, so she. Her doctor Andy has, like, a gorgeous, like, pencil drawing of her done. And her real life husband Tyson's an incredible artist. So they were like, tyson, you just come and do it, love. And then Leighton, Incredible. What are you not going to get Leighton in on the Mason angel baby from heaven?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Also, it's like, yeah, okay, Be that hot and good. But also funny. Like, really good improvising. It was like.

[C]

She was really good. Ugh. Yeah. And are you. Did you become friends?

[A]

Delicious personality and really cool.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So cool.

[C]

Like, doesn't care about the, like, fame and the.

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

Don't make me fall asleep. She's truly, like. I guess it's. What are you gonna do? Make up bad lies? She's delightful. She rules.

[C]

She rules, huh?

[A]

And then my boyfriend Joe. Yeah, this is really fun. Is on. Nobody wants this having almost nothing to.

[C]

Do with me because he's Leighton's.

[A]

He plays Leighton's husband on the show Love.

[C]

Were you like, you're welcome?

[A]

Well, that's. I would be like, you're welcome if I thought of it or had anything to do with it. Basically, Jenny Connor has a producing partner named Nora, and Nora knows Joe for a long time. Joe's gone in and auditioned for them multiple times. He's done table reads for them because he's a really good actor. So Dr. Andy, Justine's boyfriend in season two couldn't be there for the table read. And Nora was like, oh, Joe will make it funny. Because you want to be. You want to have someone who will make the scripts work. You can't just have, like, a pa.

[C]

So he did it as, like, a. Like, as a favor.

[A]

He did as a favor. And he came in. He read like, Adam's dad, who couldn't be there. The Elon role. He did Dr. Andy. And there was also a couple lines of this character, Gabe, that was Leighton's boyfriend.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, Leighton's husband.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But by the. So then when we were leaving the table read, they were like, you were really so great. Do you want to come and play Gabe for us? And they just offered it to him. And then the role kept getting cuter because he's funny and good, and that's how it happens.

[C]

But you got. You didn't get to, like, film with him, really.

[A]

I was. I didn't work with him at all.

[C]

At all.

[A]

I just stopped by the day he was working and was such a Jewish mother. I was like, stand with Leighton. Stand with Leighton. I might take a picture. Isn't it funny? It's my actual boyfriend playing Adam's wife's husband. Isn't that funny? And everyone was like. And cut. Jackie, we're rolling. Can you leave?

[C]

Calm down. But I love that. That it's. And how did it come about for you? Was it like you got this in your inbox audition. What was the vibe?

[A]

A good one, too. So similarly, I just got an audition, and it was for the Rebecca character. I always want to say Rachel.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was like, the breakdown was like, perfect Jewish girl. Da, da, da. And I was like, well, is there a cranky one anywhere? Is there an audition for someone who's maybe more mad? And then I. I told Kristen, like, we had. We were on a hike or something, and she had nothing to do. You know, at that point, we're all living our lives.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, oh, my God, I'm trying out for. It was called Shicks at the time.

[B]

I'm like, right.

[A]

Trying out for that show. And she was like, no, there is a part that is so much more right for you. And I was like, oh, great. And wait. She was like, but wait, because it's only a couple episodes, and I don't think the breakdown came out yet. And I was like, I wasn't in.

[C]

Like, she was attached to it already at that point.

[A]

She was attached to. I wasn't really in a place in my career, like, Call my agent and be like, go ahead. And there's a different role that I prefer. It's like, no, you just try out for.

[C]

Maybe you could have had that chutzpah.

[A]

I had the chutzpah, but, like, glow was four years ago. Oh, I'll give it to you at the CEO.

[C]

I went light, you went hot.

[A]

I'll hawk a Luke on the table. So I actually. Something like, there will be sort of. It will emit. Yeah. Like, I guess I was. I shouldn't say that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, like, most of the time, you don't know about the other character. And if someone is seeing you for this, this.

[B]

You're like, great.

[A]

See me for this. Like, I. I always love when people are like, so what drew you to this part? And I was like, health insurance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like when I get to, like, you know, Jennifer Lawrence level, it's like, yeah, sure. People are vetting the scripts first, and then they're not coming to me until someone else thinks they're great. But, like, at that point, I'm trying out for anything I can try out for. And it just so happened that nobody wants this came along, and I was like, oh, so my dream opportunity exists.

[C]

So wait, so how did you get to Esther?

[A]

I. With the gusto of Kristen in my sales.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I emailed my agent and was like, at Kristen's, she says I should wait for another role called Esther.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And they were like, great. We'll wait for Esther.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And then I auditioned for Esther, and Aaron told this funny story to junket the other day that I didn't know, which killed me.

[B]

What?

[A]

Which was like, it was very sweet. She was not defending me because she. But she was like, it's just really funny because, you know, everybody, Aaron, Kristen, the producers, Steve Levitan, everybody knows actors that they want to have on the show. It's not like one person has a suggestion and then that person gets hard, obviously. Especially if you're not at this wildly high level. Right. And she told this story that Kristen just, like, mentioned it. She want to put pressure on anybody. She took herself out of the race. She was like, you guys know who I think, obviously, right? But, like, there's 50 other people who have to decide. Netflix, 20th. Right. Aaron, everyone. And once Aaron found out that, like, Kristen's best friend sent a tape, she was like, like, no. Like, I have to tell Kristen that, like, her best friend is bad. Like, I'm gonna have to be like, that is.

[C]

I could see Aaron saying that. Good.

[A]

Yes, we did see it. And she was, like, already preparing for the performance she was gonna have to give to Kristen about her weird, bad acting best friend who wasn't right for the part. Yeah. And then she was like. And then we saw Jackie and we were like, well, that's a relief. So that made me feel.

[C]

I know. And it's easy to resell that. No. And especially because you don't give yourself enough credit.

[B]

I feel like.

[A]

Oh, no, you don't.

[B]

Huh?

[C]

You really don't.

[A]

No. But like, I, I, it's just, I, I think it's a, it's a, it's a lifetime. And I'm not saying this to be sad because I had so many cool wins along the way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's just a lifetime of not getting the part.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're just like, I'm not going to get the part. It's not that heavy. It's not great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not like I'm not sitting at home and fetal weeping, but it's like the reality is that it, it's not.

[C]

It's fudgeing tough out there.

[A]

It's not you 99% of the time. And so when it's you, it feels fucking good. It's better.

[B]

It feels.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But when you're being self deprecating, it's like, all coming from a real place of like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I wasn't too much this time. You know what I mean? It's real.

[C]

Too much, huh? Could have been called There is a show too much.

[B]

Of course.

[C]

But it is true.

[A]

They, they would have told me down at acting. I know it. They would have said, hey, you're making too many faces. We need you to relax.

[C]

Oh, it's too much. You have defended Esther a lot because she got some, like, weird. Yeah, like, like weird not, you know. And then you said something so true that was like, whoa, wait, this isn't like a Jewish thing or like a bad. It's like, like she didn't.

[A]

Like, she's a foil.

[C]

Like, she's a good friend.

[A]

Like, you made it about her being. Whoever didn't like it made it about her being Jewish. And it always makes me laugh because, like, this idea that, like, this Jewish woman is such a nightmare. Oh, and this Morgan character is a dream. Like, talk to Justine about it.

[C]

Morgan is right. Right.

[A]

She's absolutely making insane decisions.

[C]

So true.

[A]

She's, like, always giving her sister. She has so many opinions. She's an absolute wild card. So, like, this idea that, like, this, this them and us situation, it's like That's. It's so silly. It's a TV show, Right. There needs to be a conflict. And if the sister in law just loves the new girlfriend, you literally don't have a TV show.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So it's like, I don't. She.

[C]

She does lighten up.

[A]

She lightens up.

[C]

She lightens up in season two.

[A]

She realizes at the end of season one in the Bamitzva cutting dress. My mitzvah dress. Cutting.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Fahi. That she realizes at the end. Yeah. That she is like, everybody else is having fun.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Why do I have a stick up my ass?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that happens.

[C]

And you also technically got like a series regular season two. That's like a technical thing, right?

[A]

It's technical, but it's. But it's a big deal.

[C]

It's a big deal, and I do feel it. I've only watched. Watched four episodes. Yes. You guys, it's as good as the first season. You're gonna love it. And you're so incredible in it. And I love you and Timmy together.

[A]

Oh, I love him so much.

[C]

You guys are so good. And he's so tall.

[A]

He's actually very tall.

[C]

Is that fun for you?

[A]

Yeah, it's cute. It's a little bit of a crick in the neck and I have, like, a little bit of a pinch, but other than that, I think it's great.

[C]

And you get to, like, hang out with Kristen even more this season.

[A]

Best. I mean, we're in la. We're making this TV show. People are liking it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

At a certain point, like, speaking of myself deprecating, it's like, when's the other show gonna draw? It's like I. I'm looking over my shoulder. It's like very. It feels like the gift for the other, you know, 30 something sleepy years of my career.

[C]

Stop saying that.

[A]

But it's.

[C]

But so many things.

[A]

No, but I mean that as like, I lost my health insurance.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So many times.

[C]

And, you know, she ain't a Nepo baby. Okay. No, she worked really hard.

[A]

I would be a phys ed teacher if I was a Nepo baby.

[C]

How proud is your mom?

[A]

Oh, the Cavell is real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, the Cavell is real. I could barely even go to the clubhouse. They were. They were. It was a mob scene.

[C]

That's what she said.

[A]

Or she'll say, like, she goes to Curves.

[C]

Yeah, the Curves.

[B]

Wait, what's curved?

[C]

Like a workout place.

[A]

Yeah, the Curves in Boynton was buzzing, you guys.

[B]

My mom goes to Silver sneakers.

[C]

Is that not so cute? What's cuter.

[A]

Curves or snow.

[C]

What do you think is the cutest.

[A]

Thing I've ever heard?

[C]

Okay, now that we Silver sneakers.

[A]

No, we're gonna have to move on.

[C]

Like, isn't that so cute?

[A]

Oh, my God. Does she wear cute little silver gray gooses?

[C]

She's not.

[A]

Okay, My mom either.

[C]

Another type. She wouldn't know what that is.

[A]

She has a slide sketcher, and she's like, it's for comfort.

[C]

No, sketchers are in the shed for them.

[A]

Off and on. Easy.

[C]

So this is what I want us to do right now. Since you're like a manifesting queen, I want us to manifest your next thing so I could do a told you so moment like I did with Aaron and Tara.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I love.

[C]

That's my shit. Okay, what are we manifesting next?

[A]

We are manifesting Met Gala.

[C]

Oh, no, no.

[A]

Are you kidding? Yes.

[C]

Okay, fine.

[A]

But what we're manifesting is a musical movie, right?

[C]

A la Wicked.

[A]

A la Wicked. I wrote a script for a musical romantic comedy that I want to make. I just feel like I'd love to sing in something. I love musicals. I think there's a space for it and I want to make. That's what I'm manifesting for myself. And then there's future stuff, too, but that's after. Nobody wants this. But the movie could happen at the same time.

[C]

It could happen at the same time.

[A]

Right where my other dreams of being the nanny can't. Till that nobody wants this is done.

[C]

And what are you loving right now? Like, are you obsessed with anything on TV?

[A]

I mean, always. RuPaul's Drag Race just has me in an absolute chokehold. I watch it in every language. I watch it in every country, baby. Every country. I keep the subtitles on Obsessed with Philippines. Right now, I'm watching UK.

[C]

Stop.

[A]

I'm obsessed with RuPaul's Drag Race. I'm a huge love island.

[C]

The 72 episodes, babe.

[A]

UK, US, Australia.

[B]

How.

[A]

How. How do people watch House? It's the same.

[C]

It's not the same, babe. It's an episode a day, but only.

[A]

For a small period of time. No, I know. And then I know people who, like my friend Elizabeth watched. I think she watches all the Housewives lives.

[C]

Wait, are you keeping up with the couples of Long Love Island?

[B]

You get over it.

[A]

I drop off. I drop off.

[C]

You're like, I don't care. Oh, they broke up.

[A]

And now there's, like, a reality show that shows, like, what their lives are after. The parents. Don't. Don't Deeply.

[C]

Don't. Interesting.

[A]

In fact, I'm like, no, thank you. In fact, I'm like, that, right?

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

But I watch RuPaul's Drag Race. I'll watch the after show. I follow the. I follow all the queens on Instagram. I mean, it's like.

[C]

Wait, could you go as, like, a judge?

[A]

It's my. You want to talk about manifesting Now? I'm looking at the camera Judge on RuPaul's Drag Race. Thank you. Guess.

[C]

And I love you, and we had so much fun.

[A]

I love you.

[C]

You're gonna have to come back.

[A]

I can't wait.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Wait, we're done?

[C]

I know.

[A]

I blacked out. Did we have fun?

[C]

I think so.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knots Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you like love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday.

[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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