Kaley Cuoco Still Goes To Massage Envy

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat with Amanda Hirsch
Episode: Kaley Cuoco Still Goes To Massage Envy
Release Date: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively, candid, and often hilarious episode, Amanda Hirsch welcomes beloved actress Kaley Cuoco for a laid-back yet deep conversation. The two cover everything from Kaley’s new role in the four-part miniseries Vanished, her refreshingly grounded approach to fame, motherhood, Hollywood relationships, beauty treatments, nostalgia for her early career, and her Rams football obsession. With warm chemistry and lots of laughter, they discuss real-life insecurities, industry insights, and what it's actually like to balance celebrity, family, and self-worth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hollywood Relationships, Jealousy, and Press Tours

(06:59 – 09:17)

• Amanda and Kaley discuss the real dynamics of Hollywood press tours, referencing the high-profile Margot Robbie/Jacob Elordi press tour and speculating about relationships, gifts, and rings.
• Kaley is honest about jealousy, sharing:

  “I am. I openly admit that … I’ve had to contain myself in moments and do a lot of therapy … I'm better than I used to be.” (08:10-08:23)

• Both agree that despite the unique nature of the industry, stars are “normal people” who feel all the usual emotions.

2. Turning 40 and Emotional Growth

(09:24 – 11:25)

• Kaley reveals the emotional impact of turning 40:

  “I cried for like two weeks … it was just a little emotional just knowing how fast life goes and trying to take and be like, oh, my God, like, what happened over these, you know, these last years?” (10:21-10:47)

• She reflects on parenthood and how having a child has made her more emotional and reflective.

3. Parenting, Public Expectations, and Social Media

(11:28 – 16:44)

• Kaley’s parenting style is unapologetically relaxed.
• On public opinions about parenting:

  “People are so nuts ... she shouldn't watch tablets, I'm like, okay, well, she's going to. Why are you telling me that? ... I would never tell someone what to do with their kid. I would die first.” (15:09-15:35)

• Kaley doesn’t overthink posting her daughter on social media, seeing transparency as natural.

4. Leaving Her Daughter During Filming

(16:45 – 21:44)

• Kaley details her decision not to bring Matilda to France for the shoot of Vanished, describing the practical (no parks, dangerous streets) and emotional reasoning:

  “I landed there ... my house was literally on the side of a mountain. Gorgeous for an adult, not for a two-year-old.” (17:54-18:23)

• She experienced no mom guilt, noting,

  “FaceTimed that girl twice a day. She rarely came to the phone … she was so happy. And so she…” (18:44-19:13)

5. “Mom But Still A Dumb”—Balancing Identity

(28:33 – 30:55)

• Amanda and Kaley embrace being a mom without losing one’s former sense of self:

  “I know I'm a great mom ... she's the happiest, sunshiniest, funniest child to me ... and I also know I'm good at my job. I know I'm a good friend." (28:37-29:12)

• Kaley tells the story of taking her daughter for her first manicure—adorable chaos ensues:

  “She thought it was a bath. So she starts pulling her clothes off ... In the spa chair.” (30:35-30:43)

6. Friendship & “Boop”

(31:25 – 33:19)

• Kaley’s best friend Zasha Mamet (“Flight Attendant” co-star) and their shared love for horses.
• They have a running “boop” joke from their chemistry read:

  “She said something and I just went like, boop, like, on her nose. She was like, ‘Why did you just boop me?’” (32:54-33:15)

7. Fame, Googling Yourself, and Sex Symbol Status

(33:21 – 35:10)

• The ever-present “bikini pics” when Googling Kaley.
• On her Big Bang Theory era:

  "I turned 21 in the first season … at my peak of my best.” (34:24-34:34)

• Reflecting on how life and self-perception change across decades.

8. Beauty Rituals & Cosmetic Procedures

(36:11 – 39:10)

• Both discuss clean vs. “chemical” beauty routines, Botox mishaps, and fillers.
• Kaley on overly frozen Botox:

  “There is a scene where I have to really do this thing with my face ... and my nothing moved. My forehead didn’t move, and it looked like I was trying to move it ... So I reined it in.” (37:20-37:47)

9. On “Vanished” and Acting Choices

(44:49 – 51:05)

• Kaley describes her attraction to the four-part MGM+ miniseries and details the plot.
• She compares her “Vanished” character to Cassie from “Flight Attendant”:

  "Cassie ... was such a disaster and the world spun around her. This character ... she's not a disaster. ... It's a bad thing that's happening to actually kind of a normal person." (47:40-48:06)

• Her stunt double is a long-time friend and constant companion on set.

10. Acting, Directing, and Producing

(61:12 – 66:03)

• Kaley reflects on her lengthy career, ability to step outside Hollywood craziness, and production work.
• On producing:

  “There’s like 200 people that are actually doing it all ... being able to start producing ... it's opened up my mind. My empathy is like, so have you.” (62:57-63:12)

• She jokes about having “no patience” for directing due to all the prep.

11. Football Fandom and Aspirations

(67:12 – 71:36)

• Kaley’s devotion to the LA Rams, and her hilarious attempt to throw a Super Bowl party that never happened.
• Wants to host NFL Honors and be on SNL:

  “I hope next time I talk to you, I can say I’m hosting NFL honors next year. ... That and SNL. There, I said it here.” (71:27-71:38)

12. Hollywood Honors, John Ritter, and Early Career

(72:03 – 74:21)

• Kaley discusses her Hollywood Walk of Fame star (next to John Ritter), and her formative experience working with John Ritter on “8 Simple Rules.”
• On Ritter’s influence:

  “The year I spent with him meant more to me than most things. ... Shaped my life at 16, for sure.” (73:37-73:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kaley on Fame and Normalcy:

  “I have never seen myself other than a girl walking in a massage envy. Like, I never think that way.” (12:23-12:43)

• Kaley on Mom Guilt:

  "I knew my commitment to this job ... I had a lot of work I had to do. ... Even if Matilda was here. How awful would this be for her?" (20:44-20:44)

• Kaley on Body Confidence:

  “I know I'm a good mom. … I know I'm good at my job. I know I'm a good friend.” (28:37-29:12)

• Kaley on Producing:

  “It is a lot of work, but … it’s really makes it so special when something like hits.” (63:38-63:51)

• Kaley’s Dream Jobs:

  “That and snl. There, I said it here.” (71:38)

• On John Ritter:

  “He was just everything that you would hope this man would be. … that's an imprint on my soul for the rest of time.” (74:05-74:21)

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Important Timestamps

• 06:59 – 09:17: Hollywood jealousy, relationships, and why actors get “jelly” too
• 12:23 – 12:43: Kaley’s “Massage Envy” anecdote about staying grounded despite fame
• 16:45 – 21:44: Deciding not to bring her daughter to a film set overseas
• 28:33 – 30:55: “Mom but still a dumb”—on holding onto self-identity as a mother
• 47:32 – 48:06: Comparing characters in “Vanished” and “Flight Attendant”
• 61:12 – 63:38: On career longevity, producing, and emotional health in Hollywood
• 67:12 – 69:41: Kaley’s Rams fandom and her (failed) Super Bowl party prep
• 72:03 – 73:41: Walk of Fame, John Ritter, and the emotional impact of early mentors

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Tone and Style

The episode is warm, irreverent, honest, and self-aware, with Amanda’s signature casual “best friend on the couch” vibe. Kaley is open and witty, happily sharing both personal and professional stories, poking fun at herself, and offering sincere reflections on life in and out of Hollywood. Their chemistry makes for a fun, heartfelt, and relatable conversation.

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Recommended for:
Anyone who loves celebrity interviews with real substance mixed with playful Hollywood gossip, honest mom talk, and an inside look at the unfiltered reality behind the headlines.

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Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[B]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello. How is everybody doing? Welcome back to a new episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. This is your girl. It's Amanda. I got stuck in Lenny's crib last night with my entire hand. Like, I don't understand how there's not Andy in a camera in my life. Like, I'm literally. I don't know if you read the book when you were little, Amelia Vilia, but, like, anything that can go wrong will go wrong. It's like, what is wrong with you? I was alone at home. Huz was with friends and I called him to come back and obviously he did. And it's so funny because he was embarrassed to tell them that's what happened. Like, he gets, like, embarrassed. So he told him that both kids woke up. I was like, you literally didn't tell them the truth? That's so funny. I posted on Instagram already. I literally felt like I was in the movie 127 Hours, like, trying to release myself. And in my mind I was like, I know I have oil somewhere. If I could just get to it, Like. But I'm really proud of myself. I stayed super calm and I looked back at the nanite camera and I was just like, lenny, Mommy stuck. Like, just such a calm. Be such a calm bee. Is it the Zoloft? Is it me? Anyway, hope everyone else is okay. Beware if you are trying to put your arm or hand on your baby and put it through cribs and then the crib bars and you're not getting enough fat. Yeah, there it is. I related it. What else is new with everybody? You know what? I don't love to say this, but, like, there are so many shows that I love and now there's Tell Me l Shrinking. And I don't know if it's like the curse of the third season, but I just don't feel like either of them is, like, the same as, like, the first season. You know what I mean? Like, I don't feel like I'm not on my phone or that I'm totally, like, completely into it. I'll. Obviously I'm committed till the very end. I'm just saying. But a lot of other is coming out too. Summer House is out. I haven't caught up on that yet because I'm still kind of on Southern Charm. What else? Oh, the live show in LA is in May. I feel like May is approaching sooner rather than later. Part of Netflix is a joke, so if you haven't gotten your tickets, my LA peeps get them. And. And I can't wait for that. Can't wait for that. The Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi press tour taking over. Like, every snippet I see of it is like something that you wouldn't believe. You know what I mean? Like, the last thing I saw was that the director made a shrine for each of them in their rooms. Like in Margot you put a shrine for Jacob, and in Jacob she put a shrine for Margot. Like, as if that's needed. Like, both of them know who each other are and they can create a shrine in their mind. Like, you don't have to force them to fall in love. Like they're basically in love. But yeah, at the beginning I did have the opinion that it's like, not Glenn Powell and Sydney Sweeney, which I don't think it is because they're not. You know, the headlines aren't like, they're having an affair. Like they saw scene canoodling. It's just like Jacob is the most chivalrous, like, protecting her from the rain. And they did a lot of work to like, kind of have the character vibes in real life with, like, filling her room with flowers on Valentine's Day and the matching rings. Like, I don't think I could handle that as a wife. What do you mean? I don't think I know that I couldn't. I actually talk about that with my guest today and I'm so excited about this guest, Kaylee Cuoco. Like, I've loved her forever. I've always thought she was such a vibe that she's so funny. I just love like everything that she's been in. Eight Simple Rules, Big Bang Theory, she wasn't Flight Attendant, which was huge, which he also produced and brought to life. And now she has a show called Vanished. It's a four part miniseries on MGM plus and it's like a whodunit kind of not murder mystery, but like disappearance mystery running through the streets of France. Like, it's just very cool and I actually really enjoyed it. I watched the whole thing and it kind of like relates to where I'm at with my life, with my audiobook Obsession. And somehow because I started my reading Journey with the housemaid, I'm sort of on that path. So I did the housemaid, then I did Verity, which was insane. And now I'm on the silent patient. So I'm like, okay, I'm in this world of like, who done it? Vibes so very much relates to Kaylee's new project. Anyway, super excited to have her on. And she was everything and more in real life. Just like the most down to earth normal celebrity I've ever met. You'll hear about it. But like just a normal person that isn't jaded from this life. You know what I mean? So I really enjoyed my conversation with her. She made me laugh. We vibed and can't wait for you to hear it and let me know what you think. We're so cute.

[A]

We really are loving this picture. We also are kind of similar right now.

[B]

That's what I was looking at. We are sweaters. The sweaters. We're in our sweater era.

[A]

Really cute.

[B]

Our mom's sweater era. But like a little. A little style, though.

[A]

100.

[B]

Kaylee, I'm so happy you're here.

[A]

I am so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm such a fan.

[B]

I am tell. Like, she'll tell you when we realize this is happening. I was like, no. I think I said we have to have her.

[A]

I had already said I want to do. I said, you got to get me on that show when I'm in New York.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

That's so. It's so nice to meet you.

[B]

It's so nice to meet you. You're so great.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

My notes are upside down. That means, like, I don't need that. No, that's how I feel.

[A]

Compliment.

[B]

I don't need them. I'm like, I don't need someone's reading.

[A]

And it's upside down and you're not actually reading.

[B]

Yeah, I heard. Just, you know, the Jacob Elordi Wuthering Heights. Did you see that? Because I see every single clip. Like, the Internet is like, you need to see this.

[A]

It is. It's wild.

[B]

It's wild.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And so. But the clip. We know what we're talking about.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So much. Yes. That they thought they would catch him, like, pretend reading. It's like, no.

[A]

He's like, no, he's really reading.

[B]

He's like, paperback in his back pocket.

[A]

Reading. Not to turn this into a Jacob Elordi podcast, but we. We've run into him a handful of times this, like, awards season. Which sounds so tacky, but, like, we just ha. He is the nicest person ever Like, I, I, he is always so nice. He comes over to Tom and I always gives us a hug, asks how we're doing. I just really want everyone to know that he's really, I think he's exactly what everyone thinks he is.

[B]

I think we don't care if he's nice, babe. We, we just care that. And we know in this, in this, in this promo, in this tour, we see that he's so considerate and sweet. Yeah.

[A]

Very nice, Very nice.

[B]

But question if you had a press tour with Jacob Elordi and he was filling your room up with roses, and how would your fiance. Right, my fiance. How would, how does that work in, In Hollywood Land?

[A]

I'm just gonna roll reverse because I can't. I don't know what Thomas, if it was the opposite. Let's say Tom was on a friend tour and the actor he was working with left him some sort of gift during Valentine's Day. No.

[B]

Or like made matching ring.

[A]

No, no, you're not matching ring with.

[B]

Because he's an actor to your, your fiance.

[A]

He's an actor. So we do. There's an understanding to a point of like, chemistry. And, you know, you get very close to people that you work with. It's a very weird job. It's a weird thing that we do.

[B]

Weird because you guys are in a bubble for months. For months.

[A]

And then all of a sudden you're not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you come back and you do. Then the weeks of doing, like, it's very strange lifestyle that we live. You have to be very like.

[B]

But you're still a normal. Like, because I think we look at Hollywood sometimes from the outside in, and it's just like we accept it as true. Like. No, that's how it is. Like, you know, but, but no, you're normal people that you would, you're, you would die.

[A]

100.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's not. I don't think Tom is a jealous person. I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I openly admit that I like.

[B]

You would get jelly if you like. No, not the, the, the, this kind of pressed to her, but like, yeah.

[A]

I have, I've had to contain myself in moments and do a lot of therapy on myself to be like, why am I, why am I feeling that way? Like, yeah, I know this man loves me. Why am I. It's, it's a weird but. Yeah. No, I've struggled with that over the years. I'm better than I used to be.

[B]

So do take that into considerate consideration with how you act because you know that you would.

[A]

Well, that's what's so funny because Tom will always say, well, look at your situation. Like, would you ever do anything or be any other way than what you are? And I'm like, never. And he's like, exactly. Me either. Like, I'm like, oh. Because I would never act in a way that was inappropriate ever. I'm like, so far the other way. He's like, well, me either. And it's like, I kind of forget that Mike. Right, of course.

[B]

Oh, because you will get worried, you mean? Yeah.

[A]

If I'm thinking he. If there's something inappropriate, he's like, would you ever. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I know. I know. I would never be inappropriate or crossing. Like, so I'm like, of course. I believe that for him too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I still get jelly.

[B]

But you still get jelly. It's a natural feeling. I know it's natural. It's good to know that, like, in Hollywood, you guys are.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

In h way over there. No, because we're watching things and it's like, what is going on? We were talking two. Two seconds ago about you turning 40. Yeah. That was when?

[A]

November 30th.

[B]

November.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Well, wait. Are you a Scorpio? A sag? Okay. Okay.

[A]

Are you a Scorpio?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh. Why'd you say it like that?

[B]

Cuz November felt scorpio to me.

[A]

You sounded excited.

[B]

I felt scared.

[A]

Oh, okay. I don't know it well enough to know.

[B]

I don't know anything well enough to know.

[A]

Under. What's your sign?

[B]

Gemini. I know that.

[A]

What? Is that cool? Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Gorgeous. No, SAG is good. I have something inside.

[A]

SAG is fire.

[B]

I have like a rising or a moon or something. So you're not connected to the astrology?

[A]

Not as much. I'm not great about it. No.

[B]

No. Okay, so you're new, so. Meaning. Okay, 40 was end in November.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And you took it. You cried.

[A]

I cried for like two weeks.

[B]

Why? I wasn't.

[A]

Because I was turning 40. But I. There was an emotional thing that came with it for me. I'm not sure why. Birthdays have gotten a little more emotional over the years for me. It's just, I think the older you get, the more you know, and it's like, oh, my God, it's time passing and family and parents getting older and your child. It's just like, weird. It's things you don't think about at 20 and 30.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm definitely a little more sensitive these days.

[B]

It wasn't like, I'm done with my 30s vibes.

[A]

No. In fact, actually glad I'm done with my 30s. I feel like I know so much more now. No, I think it was just more. It was just a little emotional, just knowing how fast life goes and trying to take and be like, oh, my God, like, what happened over these, you know, these last years? How did we get here? But then looking at it and going, wow, I've lived, like, a lot. There's a lot going on. And you know, also, when you have a kid, as you know, like, you're just more emotional. Everything makes me very emotional now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of her.

[B]

I know. Matilda, right? Obsessed.

[A]

She's almost three.

[B]

I march. March, baby.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Almost three. And you don't post her, right?

[A]

Oh, I'm the everything. Well, everything since birth. I'm like, ah, yeah, yeah, I don't care.

[B]

You made, like, a conscious decision that you didn't think about it.

[A]

No.

[B]

You were just like, I'm not weird like that.

[A]

Like, if someone comes up to me, like, can I post this picture of a. Yeah, I don't. I don't care. It's gonna find its. Why would I say, don't post that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Am I crazy to think that's not gonna, like, find its way?

[B]

I think you could get crazy, but I also like to go like, you know, people are like, don't you think could end up. And I'm like, no, I'm the queen.

[A]

Of head in the sand. I'm not joking. Like, a handful, maybe. It was like a year ago. I'll never forget this conversation. I had told Tom I was like, I really need a massage. He was like, okay, why don't you call someone? I'm like, I'm just gonna, like, roll into massage envy and, like, grab my. Grab a massage. That's like a. Do you have them here? Yeah.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

I know that. He's like, you can't do that. I'm like, why? Because you can't.

[B]

Just because you're. Because you're famous.

[A]

He was worried. He's like, call someone to come. Like, my point is, I don't think of those things ever. He's like, I don't think you should fall into massage envy. And just. And by the way, nothing would have happened, but I just don't live. I have never seen myself other than a girl walking in a massage envy. Like, I never think that way.

[B]

My husband is super, like, swinging the jealous. Like, just get. Thinks I'm like a porn. Like, I'll. I'll like, be changing my gross stained shirt in front of Our window. And he'll be like, close up lines. And I'm like, he's crazy.

[A]

That's nice.

[B]

But also, he has this, like, thing about me that he thinks I. Which I. I don't. I don't get, like, embarrassed about being naked.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

But he thinks it too much. Like, I'll go to the dentist. And he's like, you know, you don't, like, take your clothes off there. I think he made up a story that I walked in somewhere that you didn't need to take off your clothes. And I did. And I was, like, ready. And they're like, you don't need. But I don't even know if it's a memory. You know how, like, you make up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if you made that up or if I did it.

[A]

How long have you guys been together?

[B]

A lot. A long while. Since 2010. Like, we were.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He, like, scooped me out of baby.

[A]

And you have little ones now, too.

[B]

And I have two kids.

[A]

Because I saw your traveling story recently. I was dying for you.

[B]

That I wanted to die.

[A]

It was terror.

[B]

You were dying for me, and I wanted to die.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

How is she? How is Matilda with traveling?

[A]

You know, she's great, but she's. You understand she's three.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not even if they're good or bad.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They're like, why am I sitting here?

[B]

Right?

[A]

And why don't I have that? Oh, now I want to sit in that chair. Now I want to watch your movie. But now I want Daddy. Now I want that juice box. I want to look in that bathroom. Like, it's just.

[B]

Yeah, but three is a little bit better. Like, my story was one and a half, which is like, half is just really the walking is you and the everything but three. And also, she's a girl. I don't mean to make assumptions, but is she. Was she a chill baby? Like, is she drawing in the corner and braiding hair? Is that the vibe or is it she.

[A]

She wants the attention she wants to be doing. So I wouldn't call her drawing alone in the corner being happy. I've tried that. Go draw alone in the corner. An hour. Yeah. Okay. Three seconds later. Okay. What? It's like, Mrs. That's my brain. Onto the next, onto the next, on to the next. So it's hard to keep them. Like, I've tried. Here, watch a movie. Like I'll. Anything you want. 20 minutes. I'm done with that. Now I want a snack. Like, it's just, like, nothing is interesting Enough.

[B]

I love that you're a mom now.

[A]

It's so weird.

[B]

Do you love. Do you love it the best?

[A]

It also is the most. It's the least thing I stress about.

[B]

Really weird.

[A]

I'm not one of you're like, chilling. You would think I have five kids, possibly too chill. Like, I'm like, she's fine out there in the street. She's like, it's just gonna. You gotta learn. Look both ways. Here's a lollipop. I don't care. It's organic. It's not.

[B]

Can you chill? Like, yeah.

[A]

Ugh. Like, people are so nuts. She shouldn't watch tablets. I'm like, okay, well, she's going to like, like, why are you telling me that I don't care what you do with your kid? It's a very serious, strange group where people have so many opinions. I don't know if it's people in the public eye or anyone having opinions on people with kids, but I would.

[B]

Never tell someone what to do with their kid.

[A]

I would die first.

[B]

That's what people actually, I think if there's a topic that people love telling other people about the most, it's like, if you want engagement. If you're like, lacking engagement on a day on Instagram, post something. Be like, what should I. What formula should I give my kid? Like, you. That's the subject that every. Because I think that, I mean, you can give birth, right? And people can have babies all over the world, so they feel like an expert after one, you know, that's hysterical.

[A]

Like, even if you said right now, oh my God, what should I do in the flight? I'd be like, I don't know. Like, I don't know.

[B]

Don't bring.

[A]

You don't.

[B]

I'll actually, I'll actually tell you my conclusion. I was like, he's one and a half. He. He knows nothing of what we just went through. He did not enjoy Miami. He was so happy to go back to his toys at. So he's staying home if there's another three day trip, if I go for longer and it's a longer, you know, thing and we're trying to build my. We weren't trying to build memories in my three days.

[A]

A big ass.

[B]

Yeah, three days. Like, no, that's wrong. I'm like, why are you doing this? You make a big deal about like driving to the mall. You're like, his nap. All of a sudden. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're. You're on flight Terrible. Don't come.

[A]

No.

[B]

Well, I heard you didn't take Matilda to film vanished.

[A]

No, no. We made a decision, obviously. I was in France for two months. It was a long time.

[B]

When it was two months, it was.

[A]

Like almost a full two months. Yeah. And I didn't know this town that we were shooting in, this little town called Marseille, which I didn't know where it was at the time, but it's a port town, so it's like. It's like surrounding water. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. But I said to Tom, cause he's like, what do you think? What do you think? And I went through all these thoughts of bringing them both, not bringing her, him coming. It was like all over the place. I said, you know what? I need to get there. I need to see what this place is, and I will know the minute I land if she should be here.

[B]

Did you already rent a place? Like you knew what you were saying?

[A]

Yes, but again, you don't really know. I knew from afar what the house was. I'm like, it looks amazing, but I don't know. I landed there and we're getting driven to the house and it's like. I mean, it was very French. It was like cobblestone mountainsides. And my house was like on a curve and like the motorcycles like running me over and I'm looking around and I also was trying to take notice of. I'm like, okay, let me think. Like, we could find a nanny here. Like, let's look for parks. I did not see a single park. There was not a park in the town.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, there wasn't a park.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, I can't take her anywhere. Like, where am I gonna take her? And like, this whole thought process is going on from my first drive to my Airbnb or whatever you want to call it. And my house was literally on the side of a mountain. Gorgeous for an adult, not for a two year old. There's nothing to do. Also, like, the house was so modern. I was about to crack my neck going up the stairs. I'm like, what are we gonna do? Like, I can't. So I just had this overwhelming strong voice going, she's not coming.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, there was a moment of I cannot, I cannot leave her for two months. Like, this is crazy. And I. And I told Tom how I was feeling. I'm like, I cannot bring this child here. You cannot bring her. You cannot bring her. He was like, done. Got it. There wasn't Even a conversation. He's like, I got it. Just be immersed in it. We're not coming. He ended up coming to visit me for about a week, but we left her. And it was the best decision I ever made. Let me tell you something. I FaceTimed that girl twice a day. She rarely came to the phone. When I tell you, oh, she's at her. She's in science class. Oh, she's at the park, she's on a play date, she's napping, she's with grandma, she's with Daddy. It was like the schedule and the fun she was having made me so happy. Like, it wasn't like she was, that's what you want. You don't want them to be, where are you?

[B]

Right, Right. You didn't get a little like, miss me, please? Really?

[A]

Not even one second? I was so happy. She was so happy. And so she.

[B]

When Tom came, she didn't come?

[A]

No. Because then I thought, a week across the world, right? That's like, that's not fair to her.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She either needed to come the whole time, get on the schedule. It's hard for an adult to switch with the time, change the environment, everything. I was not going to do that to her. I kept thinking to myself how wonderful it will be in a handful of years when she knows what's going on and I can take her on a trip like that when she's like into it and wants to hang out and shop and like, I ain't pushing a stroller up the cobblestone streets of France and the people that did there, I was amazed. I'm like, I don't know how you have children here.

[B]

Wait, what did you. How were you feeling throughout with that? Like, were you feeling any guilt? Were you? I mean, it doesn't sound like it sounds like you were not feeling, Were you? Was it hard to be away?

[A]

No, I honestly, I desperately miss Tom. Yeah, I miss Tom every day. I miss Tom when I'm with Tom because I'm like, but. But I. I mean that in like, I love him, but in an adult way. Like, I didn't.

[B]

Lucky Tom. So you miss Tom when you're with Tom so much?

[A]

I miss him so much. So he came to visit me and was. It was like wonderful. But I didn't feel bad at all. I also knew my commitment to this job. I wanted to do this movie or this four part miniseries. I wanted to commit to it. I had a lot of work I had to do. I needed to focus. And I kept thinking, even if Matilda Was here. How awful would this be for her?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm working all day long all over the city. I'm barely home. What's she gonna do? Like, there was nothing for her to do. It really didn't make sense.

[B]

Like, that's why I was saying, like, about my son in the. Miami is like, they need their, their surroundings, their people. They're, they, they're the happiest. They're not like, ooh, beautiful coastline. Thank you.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

They're like, they need what they know they need what they were.

[A]

It's funny, we shot one week and.

[B]

They don't know time. They really don't know. They don't have time because I left him a few weeks ago just for a few days. To Sundance. Yes. And I came back and I was like, oh, man, I'm gonna come back. Yeah. He's gonna wake up. He's not gonna announce me. He's gonna be so scared. And then, like, literally he's like, he wakes up from, from in the morning and I, I, I arrived earlier. And again, going through my head is like, he's not going to know it's me. He's going to get scared. He doesn't know I'm here. And he was literally like, any other morning, I'm dying. Like, just like, hi. Just like. And I'm like, oh. Like, he does. He really didn't register the days.

[A]

No.

[B]

He just thinks it's like, tomorrow.

[A]

Do you feel guilty when you leave?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I knew I would love you. Why do you feel like, come on.

[B]

I don't feel guilty.

[A]

I know I'm a great. This is the thing. This is where my ego comes in.

[B]

Unless I hear the Kardashians saying, like, making memories with the kids. But that's why I'm putting that in a box. Like, when you're making memories, you're making memories, Right. And then when you're not, you're not.

[A]

Yeah. And also, like, we're also making memories through other parts of our life too. Like, I'm not gonna. That's also torturous for them to come on a trip like that. It's just not fair.

[B]

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[B]

I talked to Kaylee even today in the POD about clean beauty and how it's become so important to me to use clean beauty. And one of the first clean beauty brands that I've discovered is Merit. But not only because it's clean, it's because it's easy. I'm like a no makeup makeup person so don't be sending me foundations upon foundations. And no, no, I need easy. And they have easy stuff. Like they have this minimalistic that's both a foundation and a concealer in one. Super easy to travel with. I love their creamy bronzers. I love their brow gels. I love their lip stuff. Like I love everything. Especially by the way their cheek tints are just amazing. And it's just clean, it's minimalist, it's natural. It's like clean girl beauty, whatever the tick tock trend is. But this was before the tick tock trend. You know what I mean? Like, and it's super skin friendly. I also love they have a great primer. It's just like everything that you want for your everyday staples are at Merit. Like you'll want these. They feel chic, the packaging is gold and I just love it. It's effortless you guys, and mornings really don't have to take forever. And that's why Merit came out with the minimalist like I was telling you about. And you could just have a five stepper. Okay. And if you want a no makeup day, no problem. Merit has a great skin serum, which is all you need. Hydrates, plumps, and will just give you a fresh, dewy look. Or you can put that under makeup. Right now, Merit is offering my listeners their signature makeup bag with your first order. And merit beauty.com. that's merit me rit beauty.com to get your free signature makeup bag with your first order. That's ameribeauty.com and you need this signature makeup bag. I have it. And I just feel like an exclusive B. And we're back. You know what I already love about you is that I feel like. Because I said I love that you're a mom now, and also that I have this thing that I say that is dumb, but mostly, should I say some, is you can be a mom and still be a dumb, but that came from not actually being dumb, but being the same. And it feels like you just added. You just added like you're the same, but now you're a mom and you have that party of your life, and it feels like that's, like, really true with you. Like, you didn't change.

[A]

No.

[B]

You're not all of a sudden just into, like, mom things.

[A]

No, bro, listen, this is what I was gonna say. This is where my. This is where my. The one thing I'm cocky about because that's not a word we would ever use about me. I know I'm a good mom. I know I'm a great mom. I love her more than anything on this fucking planet. There's nothing I wouldn't do for her. And Tom is the same. And she's so lucky. She has both of us that adore her so much, and she has everything she could ever want. And I know I'm a good mom. And I also know I'm good at my job. I know I'm a good friend. I know that, like, I. These are things that mean something to me in my life. And she is. The proof is in her the happiest, sunshiniest, funniest child to me ever.

[B]

Is she you.

[A]

She's a hysterical. She's both a. She has. We call it resting tom face. She's got the RTF face. It's not resting face. It's resting tom face. But then she is cheeky. She is funny. She's very silly, loves to dress up, loves to make me laugh. And she thinks I'm really funny. She thinks I'm. She's like, waits for me to do something. So she was like that when she was really little too. Like, Tom's like, she thinks you're just going to perform. Because I was always like, being like a crazy person. She's so much fun, and she's fun to hang out with. I. I posted the other day, I took her for her first manicure pedicure. That was something I've been dreaming of doing. Cause I go once a week. It's my. I love going. So I kept saying, I want to bring you for your first manicure. And she's in the car with me. And she kept going, mommy, I don't. I don't want to get my nails done. I'll just watch you. I think she thought it was gonna, like, hurt or something. I was like, that's fine, you don't have to. And I'm laughing. Cause I knew the minute she got.

[B]

There, she would want to.

[A]

She walks in, it was like, oh, like all the polishes. So she goes. She watches me and she goes, I. I want. Well, she wanted yellow. I sleep under your toes. So she did, and she saw her toes. And then my sweet manicure's like, do you want to match it to your nails? Yeah, I want. Whoa. On my nails too. Since she. I'm watching her do this with her nails and I'm just laughing. She was so serious about it and so happy. And then she tried to, you know, the spa chairs of the water. She thought it was a bath. So she starts like pulling her clothes off.

[B]

Sounds like me.

[A]

You're gonna get in the bath? Yeah, in the spa chair. I was like, okay, I love you for trying to get. Yeah, we don't want to get washed in there. I'm gonna give you seven more baths.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was just a really. It was just like the sweetest day because I was actually. The first time I like, was like, hanging out with her as, like almost.

[B]

A three year old.

[A]

She was like, hanging out. We had our little Starbucks. We had our little nail.

[B]

That's so cute.

[A]

It was really sweet.

[B]

It also is also cute that you go to a salon, because I've gone.

[A]

To the same girl for 20 years.

[B]

Like at a place.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Where like, other people go.

[A]

I have followed her to four salons. Shout out to Helen.

[B]

That's so cute.

[A]

Yeah, I never have a manicurist.

[B]

Do you? Are you gatekeeping Helen?

[A]

Yes. I'm sorry.

[B]

She's like. I don't feel like she's like, post me. You have a Gazillion followers.

[A]

I don't even say Helen's last name. She's like Cher. She's one giving Helen. Yes, I am.

[B]

Have you given her to your friends?

[A]

Yes. Many.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Speaking of your friends. Really good friends with Zasha.

[A]

She's my. One of my best friends.

[B]

You have the boop. Together.

[A]

We are the boob. Has she been on the show?

[B]

She's been on the show. I've had all the girls now.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah. Love girls.

[A]

Don't blame you. I was actually after the fact when I met her, and I was like, I have to, like, rewatch your show. Oh. Because I didn't. I knew it. But. And I did. She's.

[B]

So you met her and then.

[A]

And then I.

[B]

Because you're both horse girls.

[A]

Or horse girls. We're. We're the same person. She is one of my. She'll be my forever. Forever bestie.

[B]

You share a horse or something? Or switch.

[A]

We traded horses because it, like, mine benefited her in a way that benefited us. It was like this, like, wonderful situation.

[B]

Unrelatable, like, story to most.

[A]

So unrelatable and obnoxious. Like her horse. Trust me, I know how annoying it is. But we. We're both just deep animal lovers, and so we share that love deeply. And the fact that she was a horse girl. Girl. So she used to live in New York. And so while we were shooting Flight Attendant, she. We lived together and we would, like, ride horses. It was ridiculous. We'd drive to work together, ride horses, go to the gym, everything. We were the.

[B]

You were filming in. Where were you filming?

[A]

Second season. Flight attendant. She. We were in la.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

She was New York, so she came out to la. Okay. And lived with me the whole time. Like, we just lived together.

[B]

That's so awesome.

[A]

It was amazing.

[B]

And then you got the boop.

[A]

The boop.

[B]

Which I love.

[A]

We got the boop. It's up here.

[B]

I'm a boop lover.

[A]

It's so sweet. Well, that's our first. Everyone knows this story. I feel like I've overtold it, but in our first. We had our chemistry read together, and we were reading, and I. She said something and I just went like, boop, like, on her nose. She was like, flicked me away in her little Zasha way. She's like, why did you just boop me? And we went on this whole hilarious tangent. I was like, I could boop you whenever the fuck I want. And it became this thing. So we started calling each other boop.

[B]

And that's sweet.

[A]

And she's booping my phone and.

[B]

Yeah, she's moving your phone?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have to tell you something funny. I don't know if you know, but, like, when you Google you.

[A]

Oh, I don't want to know.

[B]

Do you know, like, what comes up? Like, three. Like, you know, when it auto fills it. Bikini pics.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Are you taking it as a. I mean, it's a. First of all hot.

[A]

There's so.

[B]

But there's so many.

[A]

They're so old. I am 40, you know. Okay. When I'm here, when we. Crazy. I don't think half of them are real. Oh, I think some of them are, but this is old.

[B]

Wait, do you know what I'm talking about? That there are.

[A]

I do. I Google myself every day. I know what comes up. Come on. And if you say you don't out there. Liar.

[B]

You know that I started, like, gaslighting myself. I was like, did I write bikini? Like, I was like, you know, I was like, how is this number two?

[A]

It's disturbing. I don't know.

[B]

Wait, because I. But then I think I, like, realize how when you are on Big Bang, like, I feel like you were a sex symbol for, like, nerdy men everywhere.

[A]

It was.

[B]

And you were probably on the Internet on. In a lot of places.

[A]

Yeah, I started that show. I turned. I turned 21 in the first season.

[B]

Yeah, you were so young. You were such a baby.

[A]

It was so crazy. So I was, like, at my peak of my best.

[B]

Did you know you were, like, peaking, which, like, by the way, I think you're peaking.

[A]

I think I'm better now.

[B]

I think you're better now. It's. It's a different. It's a different vibe.

[A]

A different vibe. I mean, that was.

[B]

But in your outfits, like, were you feeling.

[A]

Yeah, I went through. You know, it's funny too. Like, that was 12 years, so. And we laugh because the amount of, like, the outfits, the denim changes the hair, the ridiculous outfits was like, what, the bleach blonde, like, so hysterical. I mean, that's 20 years ago.

[B]

20 years ago.

[A]

And every time I think about that, I cannot believe that was 20 years ago.

[B]

And I hate that I do this time thing, too. We were talking about it, but. And every time I do it, people say, like, you know, the thing that, like, makes it worse is, like, doing what you're doing.

[A]

Wait, what do you mean?

[B]

Like, talking about the time goes quickly. And do you feel like it? Don't you feel like a mom, like, doing that all the time? Like, just, like, I'VE never felt more. We talked about it yesterday, and that happened today.

[A]

Yes, we remember our mom saying that. How about our mom saying, I remember my mom saying things like, oh, I've known Lisa for 20 years.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Who in the hell could know someone? And I know all my friends for 20 years.

[B]

I'm like, you have friends for, like, 20, 30 years.

[A]

Scary.

[B]

Gross.

[A]

It's wonderful that we have friends for that.

[B]

Yes, it's wonderful.

[A]

But. Whoa. I thought I'd get here.

[B]

I know. And I'm like, I probably wouldn't become your friend today, so. Good thing we're locked in 100%. I'm, like, 7 years old.

[A]

Also, you have amazing skin.

[B]

Thank you. I'm like, really?

[A]

Yes. I blinded me.

[B]

What are the products?

[A]

Are you gonna gatekeep?

[B]

I've been using.

[A]

What are we really like? What is with the glow? Really?

[B]

Stop. Maybe I did my makeup well by myself.

[A]

You have. I don't know what it is.

[B]

I've been using skin. I love how we're, like, looking at ourselves now. Skinceuticals lately.

[A]

Gorgeous.

[B]

It has chemicals in it.

[A]

It's whatever.

[B]

And I think we need the chemicals. I've learned. No, because you know how I got into, like, the clean beauty stuff and. And. And that's great. But then I feel like maybe it's not working and you need the chemicals. Like, Botox has chemicals and. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What about you? Do you. Do you like Botox a little bit or.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what about when you film? Actually, I didn't notice in your.

[A]

Too bad, though, right?

[B]

No, you move.

[A]

That's. I don't ever do my forehead because I'm so.

[B]

Because you need to express the express forehead.

[A]

If I started, there was one. I'll tell you this. Big bang went. First time I did Botok. I can tell you the episode.

[B]

I can tell you. How old were you?

[A]

It was mid. So if I was. It was deep into the show, like, halfway, maybe.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I wanted to talk about it. Dude.

[B]

Definitely didn't need it yet.

[A]

Well, yes. The proof was what I saw when I watched. I was like, I did my first Botox. I did my forehead and all this stuff. And I was so excited. But it was like, the same week. There is a scene where I have to, like, really do this thing with my face.

[B]

I'm not moving.

[A]

Could not move. The fact that no one said anything to. They probably were thinking it. I have never been. I couldn't believe how bad it looked. I was like, Haley, I was, like, literally doing These jokes, and my nothing moved. My forehead didn't move, and it looked like I was trying to move it. And that's when I thought, whoa. Like, we don't need the. Let's calm it down. Let's rein it in before. So I reined it in, and now I don't do my forehead, but no. Oh, sister, I love a little.

[B]

You have a great forehead, by the way, too.

[A]

Well, I do. Here. I got a little. I do it on the neck a little bit.

[B]

I. I saw that you said you do something on the neck. You need to film it, because I have lines. I'm really. I've talked about these lines before.

[A]

You either have those.

[B]

They were like Ashkenazi lines, but you're not that.

[A]

So I have. You had those your whole life?

[B]

My whole life. People like tech neck. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Born. Born with it.

[A]

Baby 100. Because my sister never had them.

[B]

Okay. It's a thing that bothered you.

[A]

Drove me crazy. And so I fill them. I get them filled a little bit. I feel like I've done filler in there, too. And I have to tell you, it totally smoothed. I mean, I have a turtleneck on right now, but it. It smoothed it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't have to do it as much.

[B]

The type of thing that, like, nobody would notice that planet Earth but you. But if it makes everyone notices it. Shut up.

[A]

No, in my head.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were also, like, one of the first people, like, because in, like, 2016, in a magazine, you were talking about, like, getting your boobs. Oh, yeah. That wasn't. People weren't doing that. They were 2016. How did you do? Just a. Yeah.

[A]

Leader of the pack.

[B]

You are those boobs that you had to run in. Let's go.

[A]

Telling you. Yeah, A lot of running. My second pair, but yeah.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Twenty years.

[B]

You have to do it. That's what I heard. Yeah.

[A]

You got to do it once. I would love a third pair. Best decision I ever made.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes, of course.

[B]

We'll be right back after the break. So a lot of you know that I've had gut issues, which luckily, pregnancy has kind of taken care of those for me. But when I had gut issues, one of the first things I quit was coffee, and I started drinking matcha instead. And the matcha I was recommended actually by Courtney Kardashian was peak. Okay. So I literally had my house stocked with peak matcha. It was my favorite. And still to this day, if I choose to Go for a matcha instead of a coffee. I will go for Peak. But what I love about Peak is that they have so many other products because they know the liver is the master control center for your entire body. It, you know, it's your energy, it's your hormones, it's your digestion, and it's your mood. So one of my favorite products that they recently came out with is Peaks Liver Detox Protocol. Okay. This is a daily duo that's so powerful and offers sustained support for your body's most critical filter, which is your liver. 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Okay.

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That I'm feel so lucky because I've watched it already.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I watched all four episodes, which I thought I was sent only four episodes.

[A]

Just quick.

[B]

But it's just four episodes.

[A]

How great is that?

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

Quick watch.

[B]

Of course. I love a quick watch.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

I love to bang it out. I love it. We can't force people, but I did. But it's also, like, when it's good, you want more. You know what I mean?

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

So by the time this comes out, Vanish, by the way, first episode is out. I loved it so much. I was, I had to like, watch it all in one night because I needed to know what was gonna happen. I didn't know. I kept on going to my husband. Like, I, I had him watch with me. Yeah. Being like, do you think it's a good guy or bad guy? Do you think? Do you think? Came off the track. So I was in it with you. But tell me about, tell me about Vanish. Because I know this is like your thing, third, like, project where you're kind of in this world, right?

[A]

Running a lot.

[B]

We're trying to figure stuff out.

[A]

I just try and find roles where I'm running.

[B]

No, I'm obsessed.

[A]

I don't have to work out. I do run.

[B]

I was just thinking about that so much.

[A]

This, you know, at this point in my life, like, you got to get some boxes checked. So this checked a lot of boxes for me. I, I, I loved, I want to work with people I love. I really fell in love with this director. He was just like the loveliest human being. I love the writer. I wanted to work with Sam. It was this international. Like, I love this, this is the type of TV I like. Like you said, like, who did it? Oh, my God, where did he go? Is he bad? Is the boyfriend good?

[B]

Bad?

[A]

Whatever, both ways. And it's just the type of TV I love watching. I love True Crime. I'm. That's a whole. We could talk about that for the next seven years. So it was, it's something that interests me. And I loved that it was four episodes. I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

Oh. So they knew it was gonna be four episodes.

[A]

Four. So it just felt like, oh, it's kinda like Shooting like one long movie. Like, this is gon. This is great. It's kind of a one and done. And I. To go to France was so exciting. I don't know how many more opportunities I'll have. Maybe later at some point, but not now. And Tom wasn't working, so, like, he could be with Matilda. So I felt really good about that and I could go immerse myself in this. And I totally did. It was a great role and I got to do all the fun things. And it was just a really moment in time. So I have a stunt double slash, like, best friend I've had for years. And she goes with me every. Everywhere. Her name is Monette, so she did a ton of it. But we. We shared the. We shared the brunt of the running together. But she is on every project with me. And she's my little bopsy twin. Yeah. Every day. If I'm there, she's there. She works just as hard as I do, if not harder. She's my therapist. She's my shopping buddy. She's my. She's amazing. So I've been really lucky to have her on like every single project since Flight Attendant.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So in the last like 5ish years. Yeah.

[B]

That's so cool.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And people that are like, gonna draw similarities between this and Flight Attendant.

[A]

I don't think it's that similar. Yeah. Also, Flight Attendant was like, I don't know, such a special moment in my life. Like, I don't wanna compare it to that. Also that if I'm looking at the two women, Cassie and Flight Attendant was such a disaster and the world spun around her. This character that I plan. She's not a disaster.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like it's a bad thing that's happening to actually kind of a normal person. So she's not really.

[B]

It just has a lot of chutzpah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And like bad luck. And. And the guts to kind of follow through with. With. I would. I was just thinking, like, what I would do. Pack it up.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

No, but I'd pack it up.

[A]

You go home. Right.

[B]

Go home.

[A]

It's so funny. I thought about this guy often. I know.

[B]

How much can we say, like. I don't want to ruin it, but.

[A]

Say it. Say it.

[B]

But. But you. Your boyfriend, played by Sam.

[A]

Yes. Claflin.

[B]

Yes. Claflin, who I love from Daisy Jones. And the sex.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So good. And he disappears on this train.

[A]

Yes. We're on an intern. We're on a vacation together. Like.

[B]

Yeah. And. And you are like, what? The where'd he go? But you start investigating it sort of.

[A]

Cuz she's now in the next town. I know what you're saying. I thought a lot about this too. I kept thinking, what would I do? Because at first it's seeming like something terrible is happ. Like would you go home? But you need like the American embassy. Like you need like someone. No one understands you. And then she starts thinking like the French, like they're behind it, but they think she's behind it. And they're like, you're part of this. And like, it would be so scary to be there by yourself.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, that's terrify. I'm afraid to like go to Santa Monica by myself. Like let alone be in a whole other country. That's scary.

[B]

And like go to. Cause you start kind of following the clues and the leads and going for it. What I loved is like you really peppered in. I feel like you do this with every kind of role that you have as like kind of like the comedy.

[A]

They try a little bit. They really kept telling me this is not fun. Really? Yeah, I know. I always weave that into everything. And they were just like, this is not really. I tried. This was one of the few though that was like not allowing a lot of. A little.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's some moments.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't help myself.

[B]

Where you're like peppering in your comedy because you and the woman who played the investigative reporter. You got it.

[A]

Guys.

[B]

Had a really funny.

[A]

She was lovely.

[B]

She seemed so fun.

[A]

Oh my God. Karine. She's very also like very famous in Europe. She's like a celebrity. She is a celebrity. Yes. She's. And this was her first American project, so she was amazing.

[B]

I feel like with her there was like a lot of humor.

[A]

She's funny too. Yeah, it was sweet. Do it. The real like relationship and friendship was actually that relationship in this project. It was actually the women and kind of how they helped each other. And she had no choice but to trust this woman. She had no choice.

[B]

She had nobody else.

[A]

There's nobody there.

[B]

She had nobody else. You had to cut your hair for this. Or was that a little wiggy diggy?

[A]

It's a wig.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, it was pretty good.

[A]

That was not bad.

[B]

Because it brought me back to when you cut your hair for Big Bang.

[A]

I showed up one day.

[B]

It was an uproar and probably for the nerds googling the bikini pictures of my time.

[A]

People lost their minds.

[B]

No, people lost their mind.

[A]

I seen Chuck Lorre's face when I showed up with a complete shaved head, basically.

[B]

So those were different times because today you would probably have to go through, like, you. You couldn't just, like, get your hair cut if you're like, well, I don't.

[A]

Think I would now. Now that I'm older, I'm like, I'll keep my hair, thank you very much. Yeah, that was. I was being real. I was a. I was a real rebel having that haircut. And then I. I just literally, we wrapped. Wrapped the season. It wouldn't even know what season it was. And I cut it before the wrap party. And I ran into Chuck Lori, who created our show, and, like, physically ran into him. And, like, he didn't even. He was like. I was like, hey. And I didn't comment on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, hey, oh, my God, congrats. Like, have a great summer. Like, it's been such a good year. And I walked away. But he must be losing his mind, dying. I was the Carrie. Russell, you remember that, everyone and you did it for.

[B]

For a role. And like, I was doing this little.

[A]

Tiny movie, and I'm really. I'm honestly so glad I cut my hair. I wanted to, and I don't regret it. But they. I know that the. I know that Chuck and them.

[B]

I don't think they were happy about it.

[A]

No, no, no. But also I always trying to tell them, guys, this is 12 years of a show. People make decisions. People change. Their. Our style is changed. Like, who cares?

[B]

Rachel changed her hair so many times on Friendship. If we're comparing ourselves, remember that short hair?

[A]

That was the best short haircut I've ever seen. No, you didn't like the bob.

[B]

So interesting you asked that. Because I was just. I always watch friends on planes because it makes me really calm.

[A]

I understand.

[B]

And I watched the. The short hair, which was when she gets tagged as the assistant, and I was like, yes. Does it look great on Jennifer Aniston? Yes. But this just goes to prove my point that just bobs are. That. That. That. That our long hair is better.

[A]

Long hair is better.

[B]

Her long hair is.

[A]

She looked incredible, that bob.

[B]

I mean, if anyone can do it, she can do it the best, you know? But. But I was still like, okay, this is great on you, but I. But I love your long hair.

[A]

No, I get it. Have you seen every episode multiple times?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, me too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could literally tell you on the plane. I laugh. I've never seen it.

[B]

And it's like, you're. You lose her. I'm like, what's up with the white places. You and stuff. And you're like, I'm a boomer.

[A]

I know. I laugh as if I've never seen it. It's that for me. I do that too. But my nighttime show is Seinfeld. I do the same thing with Seinfeld.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's Seinfeld and Friends. I know every word of every episode.

[B]

How does it make you feel that, like, you were on a show that is like, that show to people?

[A]

Well, I under. So when people come up to me and they say, oh, my God, you're my comfort show, I fully understand, like, I get it. I get it. I have that too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they feel this, like, connection to me in that way. Because when you're in someone's homes that often, they really start to think that they know you. The same way we think we know all the Friends cast. Right? We think we know them.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Has Jen been here?

[B]

No, but I interviewed her for something else.

[A]

She's so. Isn't she the best? Fell in love.

[B]

I word vomited something stupid. I said, she complimented my hair. And I didn't know what to do, so I told her I'd send her my girl. Oh, yes. Do you die?

[A]

I have someone for you.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

That's so sweet. That's so cute.

[B]

I'm having flashbacks. Yeah. I was like, you getting sweaty, girl? I'll send them. That's what I said.

[A]

But I think I probably didn't even think anything.

[B]

And she was like, I have Chris McMillan. Thank you.

[A]

I doubt she said that.

[B]

She was thinking it.

[A]

Well, I think she or she's still.

[B]

Waiting for me to send it.

[A]

I think you need to send it. Don't be a liar.

[B]

And also, my hair girl that I'm gatekeeping was probably like, center.

[A]

Oh, you gatekeeping?

[B]

No, I'm kidding. But, like, you know what I mean? She was probably wanted the credit.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She like. She was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. It didn't happen. Have you. Have you met with her? Have you.

[A]

I met her a bunch of times. I. And every time I reintroduce myself and react like we've never met, because I'm just don't think she would ever remember me. And the last time I ran into her, I was like, hey, I'm Kaylee. And she goes, I know, I know, honey.

[B]

Did she say honey all the time? Always.

[A]

And she smells amazing. She is the most gracious. I just think she's incredible. She has been such an. I hate an inspiration. She has been the way she has conducted herself, her career, her choices, also stuck true to who she is for so long and been the. She's been the belle of the talk of the town in so many ways. And, like, she's never veered from who she is. Yeah, she's the same. She's never talked badly. She's never lost her. Like, we've never seen that. Right? She's like. And it's not like she's fake. She just says she's, like, really kept her cool.

[B]

She's kind of perfect.

[A]

For years and years and years, we've never seen her even talk badly about anybody. Not that. Not that any of us would do that, but she's. She. If she wanted to, she could have, right? You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or she. And we. A lot of people would have been like, we're on your side, or whatever. Because she's so loved.

[B]

She's so loved.

[A]

She could probably get away with whatever she wants.

[B]

I was just told we're almost done.

[A]

Are you freaking kidding me? Did you just give a 10 minute warning to us? Are you giving us double high fives? Because I just got here and we talked about nothing.

[B]

No, we literally talk.

[A]

I'm like, but this is why I love you. We don't need to talk about anything.

[B]

I love.

[A]

Can I ask you why you named it this? Does everyone ask you that?

[B]

No. It's so dumb.

[A]

But I want to know.

[B]

It was just. You remember, like, 20, like 15, where meme pages were all called things like this.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like the fat Jewish.

[A]

Oh, sure. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Jerry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I started at that time. Oh, you think it's a dumb name?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I would never say that to you. In fact, I actually. It's memorable.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

No, it's. It's. I like that.

[B]

Okay. That's why I did it.

[A]

It's like a. Yeah, no, it's memorable.

[B]

It's just. I don't mean to, you know, because I've. People that like me have told me before to stop talking about it that way, so I won't talk about it. I will just say it's just a name.

[A]

Just like a boop.

[B]

You know what I mean? It's just like.

[A]

It's just. That was.

[B]

The name. Totally means nothing except how I felt. I always felt not skinny, but not fat.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I mean, I'm getting deep now. That's my body.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Amanda Hirsch, Mickey Nipe. That's not gonna happen for me.

[A]

Do you have any swag?

[B]

I'll send.

[A]

I'll send you mom dumb with swag.

[B]

Really?

[A]

This is my. Like, I. I will take anything with a name on it, so it doesn't have to be anything. Like, it could be your real estate company.

[B]

And I'm gonna do the. You can be a mom and still be a dumb. I'm gonna send you all that much.

[A]

Please send that to me. I love merch and swag. I love anything with really business.

[B]

Oh, wait, so you get, like, a lot of free PR and you like that?

[A]

I take everything. I also take it if it. I want it meaningful to someone. Like, if it's their business. I will rep you till I die.

[B]

So sweet.

[A]

So fun. Oh, my God. Are we getting. Oh, she's taking a picture. Okay, warning.

[B]

No, but I did want to ask you because we have no time. No, I know.

[A]

We've only.

[B]

I know. Okay. You started so young, by the way. No, I need to tell you the story.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

The. The. The. The Disney movie you were on. The Alley Cat one. No, no, my. By the way, like, just like how horny men are for you all over the world. Which. No, that. That's mean to my trainer. He didn't mean in a horny way, but when I told him when I was having you on, he was like, alley Cat. What was the movie called?

[A]

This. The movie. He.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

He watched it strike.

[B]

Alley Cat strike. He said that he watched it every day. Now he's 36.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He watched it, like, every day of. Of growing up.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

And is upset. Quoted the last scene to me. I had to tell you that.

[A]

I can't.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

How so?

[B]

How old were you when you did this? It was 14. You were 14?

[A]

Yeah. And you want to know something really crazy? I had my first kiss on that movie.

[B]

Real.

[A]

Not real, like, real kiss. No, not on camera.

[B]

Really?

[A]

One of the actors in it was my first kiss.

[B]

Oh, was it with tongue?

[A]

I really. It feels like, so long. The fact that I even remember this is shocking. I don't think so. It wasn't like a makeout session. It was like a. Like a. This.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then separate.

[B]

Your. Was he your first, like, crush?

[A]

I don't know if I had a crush on him, but I definitely. I mean, it was so crazy. We shot. The fact that I'm talking about this movie. People are going to turn this off. They're like, what's this? The movie we shot in Canada my mom was with was 14. I. You know, all of all kids running around with our parents.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Our supervisor. Whatever. And yeah. One of the. I guess I obviously did Have a crush on him. I guess he liked me too. But we, we like, we didn't have phones then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, no one could be like, call me. Like, it was so strange. Yeah. I, I, I have actually do have fond memories from that and just wait.

[B]

Was that your first project?

[A]

No.

[B]

So it was. What was.

[A]

I've been, I've been doing this since I was five years.

[B]

Like, you're child. Yes, Star.

[A]

I wouldn't call. I don't think I was a child star. But I worked as a child and then, like, I feel like I worked, I worked and then there was kind of a lapse. And then when I turned 14 is when I started to get a little more things. But I did stuff as a kid and then I did like commercials. Yes, a ton of commercials.

[B]

You know, because your parents, like thought you were cute and you could do it or.

[A]

Yeah, and my parents are like the most normal too. It was what they, they, they knew I wanted to do it. And so I also, they had, they told me I had other things. So I wasn't just acting. I had like fif. I was like tennis and art. It wasn't the only thing I did. Which I think any parents out there who have their kids as actors, I think the only thing I would say is like, don't make it the only thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The same way that a lot of kids, right, they have multiple things they want to do. Like, we have to see what they even like, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this was one thing that I did. So it never, I never got too disheartened by this business.

[B]

Like, if you got a. No.

[A]

Or like, I never got disheartened. Okay, I'm gonna go then. I have this, you know, class. I'm doing whatever. I just had so many things I was doing. My hands were in so many. I'm like that today too.

[B]

I was going to ask, how do you deal today with like. Because I o. Whenever I, you know, get competitive myself and like what I do or, or feel down or feel like a loser one day, I always think of actors because I'm like, damn, your business is like, it's disheartening. So competitive.

[A]

It's disheartening.

[B]

And even though you can think someone's like the most amazing, like, maybe they're upset they didn't get an Oscar, you know, or, or everyone's comparing themselves to someone. So how do you deal with that?

[A]

You know, I don't get that disheartened that often. I don't. We just, I just don't like. And I really think that's been my outlook on this. I mean, I've truly been doing this for 35 years. I started my first job when I was five years old.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And so I. I'm just got used to it. I understand the game. I understand. And I. That's why my outside. My life outside of it is so precious to me. I mean, I have got. We could sit here for. I have a horse. We haven't even. I have horses and rescue farm. And like, that's like, all those things is what makes my life so fulfilled. And then being an actor, something I adore, by the way. I can never imagine myself doing anything else. But it's not my whole. It's not everything, and it never has been. That's. But I love it.

[B]

So mentally healthy.

[A]

I know it's weird. I definitely. The fact that I made it to this point is kind of crazy that you're so.

[B]

That you're so together.

[A]

I wouldn't call myself together, but I can. I definitely know how to step outside all the crazy. Yeah. And I'm thankful that Tom is the same. We both always are, like, looking at it, like, whoa, let's not go in there.

[B]

Like, you never let it get to go to your head too much. Like, the good moments are the bad.

[A]

The good moments are the bad. And there are wonderful moments to be celebrated. And I celebrate the good moments because I know they're hard to come by.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've been doing this forever. I've seen it all. I've said, been told no a million times. I've not been the better actor. I've been the less pretty one or the better. That you're not the better body. Like, I have heard everything and nothing surprises me. Nothing. So I don't. Nothing surprises me anymore. And I'm like, fine with that.

[B]

And you started, like, doing a lot more, like, producing, right? Yes. In the last few years.

[A]

Yes. And I started that with Flight Attendant. And to be able to do something behind the scenes, the understanding now, that was the best thing I could have ever done because I don't think. I think I lived my whole life. You know, us actors, we come in, we do our job, then we leave. We get all the attention. The adoration or the opposite. It's all on us. Us for good or better or worse. There's like 200 people that are actually doing it all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and being able to start producing. Producing a little bit. And seeing that and seeing the efforts and seeing the behind the scenes, I Mean, all the people that work so hard to make us look so good. It's. It's opened up my mind. My empathy is like, so have you.

[B]

I remember I interviewed, I think, like, Allison Williams, and because I told you what the girl. And she is kind of Marnie Irl, not to put her in a box, which she is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she, like, produces now, and she's, like, doing all the things. And it sounds like it's a very. Like, you have to be on top of, like, a lot of organizing.

[A]

It is a lot. So if a producer. I think Sarah Schechter said this to me once. She's like, if. If the producer got paid by the hour, we'd be like billionaires.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, It's. It's. It's 24 7. You're literally produ. You're putting something together. You're putting out fires. You're playing, you're helping. It's. It is a lot of work, but it. It's really makes it so special when something like hits.

[B]

But how does that work? Like, just inside baseball a little bit? Because I. I love to, like, understand. So if. So does that mean this project came to you as Kaylee the actor, and then you were like, I'm so into it. I want to, like, be more involved. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, we're talking about Vanish now, right?

[B]

About Vanish for sure.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That.

[A]

I loved it. I wanted to do it. They gave me a producing credit also. Sometimes it doesn't mean anything either. It's not like I'm in the editing bay on this job being like, I'm gonna choose it. Like, I was much more involved on Flight Attendant because I. I mean, I found that book. That was my whole creation in a way. Not. The book was not my creation, but it was like, I wanna make this. And so that's how that all started. This was already kind of down the line. But it's also nice just to have a voice like that and after this long in the business, to have, you know, just some say in what you do and how you look like and all this stuff. Also, I have no problem. Same what I want. Like, I'm not afraid. So I always try to encourage people, be like, tell them what you want. Tell them what you want.

[B]

Tell them what you want.

[A]

It comes easy to me because I don't give a. There's a line that you don't cross. And there's a level of things. How I want things to go, how I want people to be treated. And there is no. That's.

[B]

It like, well, Sam I saw was saying in an interview, like, how. What a leader you were on this project. And, like, really sweet.

[A]

He's so lovely. Yeah, like, so lovely. We had such a nice time together. He's. He's funny. I didn't. I'd not worked with him before. I didn't know many people. Everyone that said that knew him loved him. But he's very like me in the sense that he makes fun of himself a lot.

[B]

Like, he's actually very.

[A]

What's the word?

[B]

Self deprecating.

[A]

Self deprecating? Yeah, he's very self deprec, which I always find so charming and beautiful. Like, make. We're not guys.

[B]

Let's not take ourselves too serious.

[A]

It's okay. And he does. And I found that really lovely about him, so. Because obviously I'm. I'm like that too.

[B]

Are you gonna keep doing. Are you gonna, like, direct one day? Like, are you gonna take it in that direction?

[A]

People always laugh. I. I would be. I think I'd be an amazing director. Because we'd like, never work. That's why. Just like, I don't want to prepare, so I'd have to have everyone else do all, like, the directing. When I think of directing, I'm like, whoa, we'd be in and out. But then I see all their notes and I'm like, wait, it's not going on that script. Like, well, I had to prep. I'm like, I don't want to do that. So it's too much. It's too much work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have no patience or tolerance for that.

[B]

It's too much.

[A]

I want to get in there and get out. I cannot prep. Prep. Directors are always using the word prep.

[B]

Prep.

[A]

It's a lot.

[B]

Sounds like a lot.

[A]

We're prep today. We're. We're scouting.

[B]

I'm like, oh, wait, we need. I don't want to give away, but like, the end of Vanished is not what I thought it was going to be. Oh, good. Interesting. Like, I don't. I haven't just. I was kind of like, okay, I.

[A]

Know what you're talking about.

[B]

Yeah. Was that a decision from the beginning? Yeah. Or so that we knew that this was how it was gonna end.

[A]

It's funny. When I was reading the scripts, I didn't know either. I'm like, where is this gonna go? What is she gon do here? Yeah, I liked it.

[B]

I thought it was cool. But this is so good. You guys have to see this. It's a four parter. It's like 40 minutes an episode. Watch it like a movie at night. There is suspense, there's running. There's romance.

[A]

The wig.

[B]

There is great views.

[A]

It is beautiful.

[B]

It is beautiful. And you're just so good as always. Like, I just feel like you bring yourself to everything that you do.

[A]

I so appreciate that.

[B]

Thank you for coming. I know.

[A]

I want to leave.

[B]

Lame. That is.

[A]

Oh, here we. Here she comes again. She's back. I'm never leaving.

[B]

Okay, Wait, are you going to the Super Bowl? No.

[A]

I'm sorry. To all the fans out there of Super Bowl. I don't care about either of these teams. Oh, sorry. Courier team, Rams. And they lost just recently. And it crushed my soul. Let me tell you what I did during Rams game. It's my baby.

[B]

Okay? It's my baby.

[A]

It's my team.

[B]

Did you get into it not to be like, a sexist, but, like, because of Tom?

[A]

Yeah, I liked football. I liked it before him. He's a maniac. Okay, he got you get on the train. We. What were we gonna do? But now I'm a mania. Now I understand it.

[B]

Now I'm like, does he regret bringing you in?

[A]

I think he actually thinks it's kind of cool because we, like, genuinely, like, I'll be like, did you read about so and so he got injured. He's like, he did.

[B]

How much merch do you have of.

[A]

Let me tell you.

[B]

You have a room.

[A]

Let me tell you. So football fans out there, as you know, they just recently lost the game before Super Bowl. So we were almost there. So a handful weeks ago, my girlfriend and I were. Cause Tom had to go somewhere. So my girlfriend. I were watching the game as you. If you know how that game went. They were really looking good for a minute. So halftime comes and we're like, oh, my God. I'm like ordering, like. Cause we're gonna have a Super bowl party for the Rams, obviously. Fifty fucking hats, every size T shirt for all my little friends that are coming for the kids. Whistles, yellow gold banners, streamers, a cake at halftime.

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you think I cursed them that by doing this? I still question myself.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

You're taking them.

[B]

You're taking the brunt of the result of this.

[A]

So we're like, I order. It's like, ridiculous amount of stuff I've ordered. And as we're watching the game, it's like starting to go bad. And I'm like, this can't be happening. And then they lost, and I have not gotten over it. And by like, date the next day, boxes of Ram Shit at my house. Stuff like. Oh, my God, I guess I'll have to say this for next year. I was. This is why now I understand, like, fantasy football and football. This stuff, it is. It's a. It's a soul. It's taken my soul out of my body.

[B]

But you only like one team.

[A]

Rams is my team. Tom is giants, but he makes fun of me because I like who's winning. That makes me happy. Cause I just keep following them winning. The Rams were winning. They are my team. I'm LA born and raised, so they are definitely my team. But I like watching. I also like, if you're all trying to learn a little bit more about football, it's fun to watch some of the shows behind the scenes. Like, what's the one? I can't think of it. Where they go in the team and they talk about everyone. It's like a series behind the scenes. Anyone notice Hard Knocks?

[B]

Sorry I blinked because you're the only one here.

[A]

I know. Everyone's, like, not even looking up at me. They're all on their phone. They're Googling it. Sorry, my mind blinked. Hard Knocks. If you're kind of half into football but you want to learn a little more, Hard Knocks is great because it's the emotional side of it. It's the why. It's the kids. It's. We had changed teams. It's. The guys are. It's. It's practice. Like, I think that's the fun way of learning.

[B]

Do you get obsessed with players?

[A]

A little bit. And their fam. Like, I'm always like, I want to watch the. I like the family aspect. And then the kids, they all have families and then.

[B]

Yeah, they're very family oriented.

[A]

Think of these players, they get cut in one second and they're going to another team in a whole different state. Imagine this lifestyle.

[B]

Imagine having to move to, like, Ohio.

[A]

And your whole family and your kid. It. That is like a lifestyle that is so. I have, like. It's interesting.

[B]

I feel like you've thought about if you could be a wag. Like, you process. You're like. You don't know.

[A]

It's. In a way, it's. I guess it's not like what we do because we go to a place.

[B]

And you come back home. Yeah, but.

[A]

So I understand the movement and packing up the little. The carnival that is your family, you know, and having to move around, but it's just a commitment. It's. It's a beautiful commitment. I also think footballers are the most unbelievable athletes. They. They Just fall with. No. Do you see how these men fall?

[B]

I don't really see.

[A]

I was auditioning to. To host NFL Honors, which I still haven't gotten.

[B]

Wait, who's not giving you this. This hosting gig?

[A]

People of the NFL Honors. So first year was. I missed out. It was Snoop Dogg, but he was a great host. This year was Mad Men.

[B]

Christina.

[A]

No, no, Guy. John Ham. Sorry, he's hosting.

[B]

Oh, so they, like, Guy throw a girl in.

[A]

Throw A was my audition.

[B]

First of all, I feel like it's a year to throw in a girl because Swift is with the football. Like, girls are getting into the football.

[A]

So I hope. I hope next time I talk to you, I can say I'm hosting NFL honors next year. No one's giving me this job I love.

[B]

That's the goal.

[A]

That's my goal.

[B]

That's your goal.

[A]

That and snl. There, I said it here.

[B]

Easy.

[A]

Isn't that so annoying? Get me on it.

[B]

Wait, you're telling me. I'm telling you that Connor's story, that was in heated rivalry. Right now did snl, and you haven't done snl.

[A]

They like it. Like, that makes perfect sense.

[B]

No, I get it.

[A]

But, like, new and, like, you know, exciting.

[B]

But here's a fun fact I learned about you. That's crazy. You got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Which honors which people get when they're 80. Now I feel like. Wait, she didn't have one.

[A]

Yeah, no, I had one. Yeah, I have one. I got that at the height of Big bang. So I was probably, I don't know, mid.

[B]

Mid 20s.

[A]

Yeah. Probably almost 30. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, that's still. Yeah. Like, super young for it.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Do you go visit sometimes?

[A]

No.

[B]

Clean it up, make sure it's nice.

[A]

Now I let people walk all over.

[B]

Yeah. It is pretty gross down there.

[A]

It's not great. Yeah, it's an honor. But it's.

[B]

It's an honor.

[A]

Yeah, very.

[B]

Was it tied? Because I'm always interested. I feel like now it's very tied to, like, promoting something. Was it tied then to, like, a new season?

[A]

No. You know that people have to vote for that. So really strange.

[B]

It's like a whole thing.

[A]

Yeah. I don't even know who puts people up to be voted. I don't know how it works. It's a really wild thing. No, it wasn't for anything specific. It was during the height of Big Bang, and it was sweet. They put my star, like, on the same. Very close to John Ritters, who's like a. I know. You see why we could talk for so many. But it's so sweet. So our stars are, like, right next to each other.

[B]

That is really sweet.

[A]

It was amazing. Yeah.

[B]

You guys were in eight Simple Rules together.

[A]

Basically spent a year with him. And I talk today as if I spent my whole life with him. Yeah.

[B]

Is it because you get. Did you get. Do you just get asked about him a lot, or are you.

[A]

Yes, but I loved him. I love him today as if he's still there. I think of him often. I laugh often. Thinking about him, I tear up. He was. The year I spent with him meant more to me than most things. Like, very special person. Shaped my life at 16, for sure.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I was one of the last people to work with him.

[B]

And then he gave you, like, advice or something?

[A]

No, before you died, he always given me advice. He always loved me. He was so wonderful. He was just everything that you would hope this man would be. And he was taken so drastically and so fast out of nowhere. It was such a whiplash to the community, to everybody, to his family and. And to us. And, you know, that was a big deal. That was, like, the first time I'd really experienced, like, a total loss.

[B]

Yeah. That was weird.

[A]

But I feel. I just. I just love him so much. I still host the event every year that honors him. Yeah. And his wife and who's amazing. Amy Asbeck and. I don't know, these just. That's an imprint on my soul for the rest of time.

[B]

Oh, wow. You've had so many, like, unique experiences in this.

[A]

I know. I guess so.

[B]

Industry, you know?

[A]

Yeah. It's wild. On to the next.

[B]

On to the fucking next. SNL and football, baby. Thank you for coming again. You're the best.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

I'm a pleasure.

[A]

Sweet. I'm obsessed, too.

[B]

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[A]

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