Kris F*cking Jenner

Summary

Podcast Summary: Not Skinny But Not Fat

Episode: Kris F*cking Jenner

Host: Amanda Hirsch (Dear Media)
Guest: Kris Jenner
Date: October 14, 2025

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Overview

In this much-anticipated episode of “Not Skinny But Not Fat,” Amanda Hirsch finally welcomes the most-requested guest of the podcast: Kris Jenner, the iconic “momager” behind the Kardashian-Jenner family empire. The episode is a vibrant, candid conversation packed with humor, personal moments, and revealing insights. Topics span Kris’s philosophy on aging and beauty, family dynamics, behind-the-scenes reality TV, business smarts, and iconic pop culture moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family Life & Grandparenting

• Family Bonding & Sleepovers: Kris describes the rotating “number one” child status, based on who she's most recently spent time with.
  • “It’s all Kendall, all day, every day, all the time. For everything.” (03:41)
  • “Kylie was number one this morning because she spent the night with me last night.” (03:55)
• Sleepover Routine: Kris details prepping for family dinners and maintaining a close relationship with her children and 13 grandchildren:
  • "If I had dinner once a month with one of my grandkids, that would take two weeks!" (05:15)
• Keeping Up with Grandkids: She admits it’s a challenge to track everyone’s activities but does her best, often relying on videos sent by Kim.
  • “I try, I do my best, I try to go to what I can go to.” (05:50)
• Lemonade Stand Story: Kris recounts dropping everything for an impromptu lemonade stand hosted by her grandchildren—revealing the importance she places on shared family experiences.
  • “I got in my car and I drove to the lemonade stand… and of course they’re singing the cutest song.” (06:43)

2. Manifestation, Spirituality, and Aging

• Manifesting & Spirituality: Kris is a big believer in prayer, spirituality, and manifestation.
  • “I pray about everything, and then between my prayer, my spirituality, and my manifestation, I try to cover all the bases.” (07:57)
• Turning 70: Kris reflects on her upcoming milestone birthday with gratitude and humor.
  • “I am [turning 70].” (10:22)
  • On her mother being a great-grandmother at 91: “She is celebrating a daughter that’s turning 70. That’s a crazy thing to say.” (10:32)
• Perspective on Aging:
  • Shares advice from Dr. Daniel Amen on not being in the “fourth quarter” of life until 75, which helped her reframe aging positively. (11:13)
  • “I start every day with gratitude. I think that’s a really important place to lead from.” (12:04)

3. Openness About Cosmetic Procedures

• Being Transparent: Kris discusses candidly filming her surgeries and procedures (facelifts, hip replacement, hysterectomy) on reality TV—demystifying cosmetic interventions.
  • “Fear is not your friend.” (15:05)
  • “It was a definite intentional decision to film and to talk about what I was doing...” (15:19)
• Giving Credit to Her Surgeon: Kris insists her facelift surgeon, Dr. Steven Levine, get proper credit, sharing the secret “password” system to screen referrals.
  • “As long as we can come up with a password… if somebody calls and says, ‘I’m Kris Jenner’s best friend’… they have to say the secret password.” (17:10)

4. The Reality TV Machine

• Nearly 20 Years on Reality TV: Kris recounts creating and producing “Keeping Up with the Kardashians” and its continuation on Hulu/Disney+.
  • “This is seven seasons with Disney/Hulu… I’m on my 27th season. Think about that.” (24:34)
• No Plans to Quit: Kris is enthusiastic about future seasons and the unique experience of filming as a family.
  • “No, truly, I love it so much. Really, I do… I want to keep going forever.” (26:38)
• Family Dynamics on Set: The family really are in close proximity on and off camera, despite public perception.
  • “Somebody wrote… ‘a rare photo of all the girls together,’… we all live down the street from each other!” (28:35)

5. Business Acumen & the “Momager” Role

• Multitasking & Problem-Solving: Kris sees herself as the organizational and operational heart of the family’s business ventures.
  • “I’m more of the business side… the solution side. When something goes wrong, I’m like a fireman.” (32:08)
• Starting Family Businesses: She describes a collaborative process in launching new projects, managing ideas, and forming dedicated teams.
  • “We start together… we’ve definitely got a system that we go through when we’re vetting a new company…” (32:56)
• Executive Producing Kim’s New Series (“All’s Fair”): Kris raves about Kim’s acting debut and the pleasure of working with Ryan Murphy and a stellar cast.
  • “Kim’s acting, the fashion, the sets… the whole thing is fantastic.” (35:37)

6. Public Perception, Haters, and Social Media

• On Haters: Kris used to care about negative opinions, but learned (from Kim and her grandmother) the value of taking the high road and thickening her skin.
  • “People are just… maybe trying to get attention… we have really thick skin.” (30:01)
  • Anecdote about a negative email exchange turning into a job inquiry. (30:24)
• Internet Culture & Memes: Kris embraces her status as a meme queen.
  • “How could I ever be over that? …I’m always the first one to laugh at myself and not take myself too seriously.” (52:11)
  • Favorite meme: “You’re doing amazing, sweetie.” (52:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On rotating “favorite child” status:
  “If Kim sees that or Kourtney sees that or Kylie sees that, would they try to change it for you?”
  Kris: “Get a remark every single time… by whoever I’m with.” (03:32)

• On intentional transparency about cosmetic work:
  “Fear is not your friend.” (Kris Jenner, 15:05)

• On producing reality TV:
  “I was so inspired, believe it or not, by Girls Next Door. I thought that was the funniest…” (Kris Jenner, 47:03)

• On handling haters:
  “I was quick to respond… I would want to snap back… But… my grandmother helped raise me, and her motto was always, ‘If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.’” (29:37–30:01)

• On Kim Kardashian’s legal expertise:
  Q: “Would you hire Kim to represent you?”
  Kris: “A thousand percent… She already does. She represents the whole family. She doesn’t even realize it.” (50:35)

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Rapid-Fire Q&A Highlights (43:48 – 53:46)

• Whose closet would you want to trade with?
  Kris: “Kim, because of her love of vintage.” (43:59)

• Who has the best one-liners?
  Kris: “Chloe… I was going to say Kris Jenner, but I thought, oh, give it to Chloe. Well, you know, it’s me.” (44:09)

• Hardest to shop for:
  Kris: “Probably Kim. She’s very specific and she has just a fantastic taste level.” (44:40)

• Kris on joining Real Housewives:
  “No. No, no, no, no.” (45:22)

• How do you make your martinis?
  “Shaken and not stirred, extra dry, two olives, really cold, in a fabulous glass.” (50:47)

• Favorite meme/meme reaction:
  “How could I ever be over that?… I’m always the first one to laugh at myself and not take myself too seriously.” (52:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:41] — Kris on current “number one” favorite child.
• [05:15] — Reality of balancing time with 13 grandchildren.
• [07:57] — Belief in manifestation and spirituality.
• [10:22] — Turning 70 and feelings about aging.
• [15:05] — On transparency about surgeries: “Fear is not your friend.”
• [24:34] — Reflecting on filming 27 seasons of reality TV.
• [26:38] — No plans to end the show.
• [29:37–30:01] — Lessons from haters and the importance of “the high road.”
• [32:08] — Kris on her role: business, organization, problem-solving.
• [35:37] — Excitement about Kim’s new TV role.
• [43:48–53:46] — Rapid-fire quick questions (closets, one-liners, gifting, meme culture, advice).
• [50:47] — Kris’s martini recipe.

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Tone & Style

The conversation is lively, warm, self-deprecating, and peppered with humor. Kris’s ease with honesty—whether about plastic surgery, family competition, or meme fame—shines. Amanda and Camilla (co-host) ensure questions are both fun and probing, creating an atmosphere reminiscent of friends bantering at home.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a must-listen for fans and newcomers alike, offering rare, unfiltered access to Kris Jenner’s perspective on fame, family, and the machinery of modern celebrity. It cements her legacy as not just the Kardashian matriarch, but a cultural icon who’s in on the joke, always hustling, and always ready with a fabulous martini.

Transcript

[Amanda Hirsch]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi. The day has come. Okay, the guest today, the guest that we've all been waiting for. I have to say this is the most requested guest. The guest that most people asked me about said, when are you gonna have her? Always have talked to me about this, wished for it, manifested it together with me and. And it's finally fucking here. The one, the only Kris frickin Jenner.

[Camilla]

Is here, you guys.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, this is the secret that I've been keeping. This is the LA interview that I didn't tell you about until now. I know, so hard to keep it a secret. But wasn't it worth it? The momager, the businesswoman, the CEO, the reality TV icon, the the queen of Queens, Kris Jenner is here. Everything and more. She's so fucking gorgeous. She looks so good, so sweet, so kind. Just the best ever. We talk about everything. Turning 70, aging, facelifts, family fame, and what is it really like to be like the woman behind the Kardashian empire. I find out who of the girls is on her home screen like wallpaper situation, how much she keeps up with all the grandchildren. Had to ask about her martini recipe, that bowl of cigs and so much more.

[Camilla]

I'm so excited for you to listen to it.

[Kris Jenner]

You guys.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Here it is, my interview with Kris Jenner.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, we're in your podcast studio.

[Camilla]

It's 2:30 in the morning.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, we're so sorry.

[Camilla]

Okay, go back, go back to sleep and tell us if the facials were worth it after.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Oh my God. Obviously that's what I'm doing this for. Research, research, research.

[Kris Jenner]

Say hi to everybody.

[Camilla]

Command. I love you. Hi everyone. We love you, Chloe. So sorry, I can't. But look how sweet. She called you back at 2:30am I know, I turned the lights on and everything. Oh, she's more of an angel than people even know. She really does look.

[Kris Jenner]

You have good lighting in here, Chloe. I think I'm going to film everything in here. This is amazing.

[Camilla]

I said, why do you think I said yes, I want you to look your best. Oh, Chloe, she's the cutest.

[Kris Jenner]

Well, thank you for Angel.

[Camilla]

I'm sorry I'm not there, Commander. I'm sad you're not Here. But, you know, facials call in Korea. Okay. Sexy.

[Kris Jenner]

Okay, guys.

[Camilla]

I love you guys. Bye.

[Kris Jenner]

Sweet dreams. She called us back.

[Camilla]

Oh, my God. No. You guys are the cutest. Wait, who's on your cover?

[Kris Jenner]

Courtney.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, Kendall.

[Kris Jenner]

Thank you. Kendall. I don't even know their name. Don't get started.

[Camilla]

Do the kids get jealous? Like, who's. If. If Kim sees that or Courtney sees that or Kylie sees that, would they try to change it for you?

[Kris Jenner]

Get a remark every single time? Yeah, by whoever I'm with.

[Camilla]

Well, who's on the inside?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wallpaper?

[Kris Jenner]

I don't think I have inside.

[Camilla]

Oh, really?

[Kris Jenner]

I think it's all Kindle. All day, every day, all the time. What? For everything.

[Camilla]

No.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

We didn't know. Kendall is number one right now.

[Kris Jenner]

No. Well, Chloe's number one. We're in the studio.

[Camilla]

Chloe's number one, you guys.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Today?

[Camilla]

Today.

[Kris Jenner]

Just today, kind of. Kylie was number one this morning.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

Because she spent the night with me last night. We had a sleepover for her.

[Camilla]

B day.

[Kris Jenner]

Huh?

[Camilla]

That's so sweet. She.

[Kris Jenner]

We have a lot of sleepovers.

[Camilla]

So does she sleep in your bed with you?

[Kris Jenner]

No.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

Because I go to bed at 9 and she wants to stay up and watch her program.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And I watch my program.

[Camilla]

Different programs. Different.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

So what do you do in the sleepover together?

[Kris Jenner]

We have dinner. We have little. We sit outside and eat. We talk about everything. So we go over the list of, like, things we need to talk about. So it might start off with business always ends at personal. And dessert is a little gossip.

[Camilla]

So who sets it up?

[Kris Jenner]

Kylie?

[Camilla]

She does.

[Kris Jenner]

She'll say, mom, I'm spending the night tonight. So I already got the memo. And so we already planned dinner. I already set the table before I left for work this morning. I'm like a Girl Scout. So if you give me a thing I have to do the next day, my clothes are laid out, everything's organized. Table set, things are lined up. Last night was tacos with my son. So we had taco night. So of course, I had, you know, everything laid out and, you know, his favorite stuff. And I just.

[Camilla]

Chris, you have to. That's so amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

It's fun.

[Camilla]

So they all get a special night if they.

[Amanda Hirsch]

If they want.

[Kris Jenner]

Listen, you snooze, you lose. So you better book me up because I book fast. But if I had dinner once a month with one of my grandkids, that would take two weeks. Think about that.

[Camilla]

Because how many?

[Kris Jenner]

How many?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thirteen.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Camilla]

So you need to keep track of like what grade they're in, how they're doing, their teacher. Like, are you like, cut me some slack. Like I can't keep track of. Because I know I get mad at my mom. Like, no, mom, you don't remember. Like Noah has a soccer today, you know?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Do the girls do that to you or. They get it.

[Kris Jenner]

I wish I had the energy to go to all the games. I know, I just, I. It's hard. So I know Saint loves basketball, so dream basketball. He's on a league and so I would love nothing more than to be there for every game. And he plays, you know, such great basketball. He loves it, he's passionate. And so Kim sends me a lot of videos. But I try, I do my best, I try to go to what I can go to. Yesterday I. I was at home by myself working and you know, I had, I was actually had a staff, a little staff meeting. But as far as kids, I was alone and I got an emergency text from Kim and Chloe who were in Korea and they said, get to the lemonade stand. Now they're there. I'm like, oh my God. Threw everything together like it was a fire drill. And I got in my car and I drove to the lemonade stand. And of course they're singing the cutest song.

[Camilla]

Who was there?

[Kris Jenner]

Saint Psalm Chicago. Stormy true.

[Camilla]

Oh, dream them together.

[Kris Jenner]

Like we roll deep. It's a support system. We're having a lemonade stand and we all show up.

[Camilla]

How many lemonades did you buy?

[Kris Jenner]

About 152. And all the cookies because the cookies were melting.

[Camilla]

You guys can close up the lemonade stand.

[Kris Jenner]

And I'm like, you guys, the cookies are melting. So I need to buy all the cookies.

[Camilla]

Yeah. You guys, if you haven't realized, proper introduction. Chris Jenner is here.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh my God. Here we are.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Here we are.

[Kris Jenner]

Thank you for having me.

[Camilla]

Thank you for coming on. It's like dream guest for so long.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Camilla]

What the people have always wanted. It was like vision board. You know, it's funny, I actually put, I think Kylie was at your house like a week ago, two weeks ago, and she posted a martini, duh. And a cigarette bowl, duh. And I put it on my story and I wrote vision board.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh my God.

[Camilla]

And that was before cuz this came together pretty quickly.

[Kris Jenner]

Uh huh.

[Camilla]

That was before this was even scheduled.

[Kris Jenner]

See, it's meant to be.

[Camilla]

Do you believe in like that kind.

[Kris Jenner]

Of stuff all day long?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Well, I pray about everything. And then between my prayer, my spirituality and my manifestation, I try to cover all the bases.

[Camilla]

You. Yeah, yeah. So you manifest and put things like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That you want into, like, the world.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. It's like recently there was this whole thing on the Internet about the lions portal being open and make a list.

[Camilla]

I know.

[Kris Jenner]

I was scrambling.

[Camilla]

Oh, you did?

[Kris Jenner]

I was like, are we supposed to be doing this? Oh, my God. And then. Then I would go, dear Heavenly Father, I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to be doing this over here, but I don't want to miss an opportunity. So then I would go. It was so.

[Camilla]

And I don't even know what those things. It's like everyone's saying the lion something.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, right. I know. And I'm trying to send people. I love this information about the lion in case, you know, in case I'm supposed to be passing this along. It was funny.

[Camilla]

You thought it was like one of those. One of those lists, like, pass it along or like, it won't come true.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, Well, I don't do that anymore because that's totally a mind. I just.

[Camilla]

Wait. So people would say, though, what does Kris Jenner need to still need to still want or dream? Like, she has it all. Like, so what. Can you give us an example of what you asked the lion's portal?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, health.

[Camilla]

Yes.

[Kris Jenner]

And most important, and just for my family and for. To. For the angels, just to, you know, protection and health and that everyone is protected and we're all doing exactly what we need to be doing. And then I pray for. I pray for, you know, food insecurity. And I pray that everybody, you know, we're all made to be here to love each other. And so I pray for just. First I start with my immediate family, and it kind of goes into, like, worldly things. And. Yeah, I spend a lot of time just focusing on that kind of stuff every once in a while.

[Camilla]

I hope the lion's portal worked.

[Kris Jenner]

Boy, me too.

[Camilla]

Oh, my God.

[Kris Jenner]

I can't. Just trying to stay healthy and. And have energy and be able to keep up. But I think for my kids, it's just. I just want everybody to find whatever it is they're passionate about and then figure out how to make it feel like it's not work.

[Camilla]

Chris, you're turning 70 next month.

[Kris Jenner]

I know. No, not next month.

[Camilla]

No, but this is coming out October.

[Kris Jenner]

Okay.

[Camilla]

Roll with me, Chris.

[Kris Jenner]

Know what? I'm here for it.

[Camilla]

Amanda, next month, you're turning 70.

[Kris Jenner]

I am.

[Camilla]

Is that crazy?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. What.

[Camilla]

What's your feelings on it?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, I think, first of all, I can't believe I said to my mom, who's 91. Can you believe.

[Camilla]

No, I cannot believe she has a sev.

[Kris Jenner]

She is celebrating a daughter that's turning 70. That's a crazy thing to say.

[Camilla]

An accomplishment. She looks amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

So I feel really happy about that for her.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And then how do I feel about that? I feel like, you know, what somebody told me to make.

[Camilla]

And she's a great grandma to 13. That's crazy.

[Kris Jenner]

I'm trying. I'm just trying to keep up here.

[Camilla]

Wait, MJ is a great, great, great, great grandmother. No, great grandmother. She's a great grandmother. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's.

[Kris Jenner]

In more ways than one.

[Camilla]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Okay, so, okay, back to you turning 70. All the feelings on it.

[Kris Jenner]

So I was talking to. You know who I love is Dr. Amen.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Camilla]

The. The brain guy. Yeah, you guys love him.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, I love that guy. Anyway, I was talking to him the other day and we were talking about 70. And I said, I'm feeling away about that number. And he said, you know what, look at it this way, you're not even in the fourth quarter yet. And I went, oh, right.

[Camilla]

What's the fourth quarter?

[Kris Jenner]

75.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

Right. That's cool. Assuming.

[Camilla]

Yeah, I love that.

[Kris Jenner]

So I was like, I love that. I love that.

[Camilla]

What does he say about your brain? Is it a brain of a 30 year old?

[Kris Jenner]

I don't know about that. But, you know, he's one of those guys who, he can predict, is she gonna get maybe Alzheimer's or dementia? And he's. They can apparently, I'm told, be able to predict something like that 20 years in advance.

[Camilla]

And he says, no. Okay, thank God.

[Kris Jenner]

So, yeah, I'll take it. I'll take that all day long.

[Camilla]

You're feeling grateful about the number.

[Kris Jenner]

I. I start every day with gratitude. I think that's really important place to lead from. And I. If I start my day or anything I'm thinking about, I try to go back to that. Because I can get easily annoyed by little things that don't matter. Like, I have a great attention to detail. So if I'm sitting at breakfast and my place mat's not. If it's crooked, I'm like, you know, I'm with that person who, you know, is fussing with things or saying, like, how come this didn't happen? Or this was supposed to be that way. And I love. I have a great attention to detail. So when everybody else isn't on my bandwagon, I just don't understand.

[Camilla]

But I'm right, guys.

[Kris Jenner]

But I'm right.

[Camilla]

But I'M right.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

But I'm sure, like, all your kids and your daughters and the world, like, everyone thinks of you as, like, goals.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, goals.

[Camilla]

My kids as a mom, as a business person. And also, like, look at you at 70.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, that's goals.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, thank you.

[Camilla]

At almost 70.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm not going to round you up yet.

[Kris Jenner]

You can round me up.

[Camilla]

No, I don't know. I don't like it. I like to live till the, like, the moment. The moment.

[Kris Jenner]

Such great, you know, it's great.

[Camilla]

Like, why round up, like.

[Kris Jenner]

I like that.

[Camilla]

It's not the day yet. Yeah, we can round 69. 69.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. All day, every day. Yeah, I like it.

[Camilla]

You were recently super open about getting some stuff done.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, yeah, I've had some stuff done.

[Camilla]

Which started, like, a trend. I don't know if you noticed, but, like, I noticed you noticed the trend.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Which is so awesome. And people loved you for it. And now everyone's like, okay, tagging this person, tagging this doctor. Like, did you know what you were doing when you decided to confirm that?

[Kris Jenner]

You know what? I think that if you really think about it, all the stuff I've done over the years, I've always filmed. That is so.

[Camilla]

That is true.

[Kris Jenner]

I filmed a facelift 15 years ago.

[Camilla]

And you gifted one to a friend, right?

[Kris Jenner]

Yes, I did. You're a lobe my. Yes. And I've done everything from a hip replacement surgery. That was brutal. I filmed that. And most of the time, every time, my thought is, I had a hysterectomy last year and I. We filmed that. And I think because we have such an amazing group of fans and people that watch the show and people out there that write to us constantly and are really. So some people are super emotionally invested in one of us or all of us or some of us, or they're the biggest haters in the world and they can't help but watch. Right. I think that it really is somehow my way of showing people and trying to inspire others not to be afraid of, you know, surgeries that you need that are necessary or even something you want to do because you want to feel better about yourself and don't be afraid of it. And fear is not your friend.

[Camilla]

So, you know, like, fear is not your friend.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Get it tattooed on you people.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right.

[Camilla]

I love that.

[Kris Jenner]

So, you know, it's.

[Camilla]

Was it a decision that you were thinking about or was it obvious to you that, like, people are wondering and I'm going to say it.

[Kris Jenner]

It was a definite intentional decision to Film and to talk about what I was doing, because I wanted. We've shown everybody.

[Camilla]

Wait, did you film this past one?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

[Kris Jenner]

Okay, so I. I knew that Dr. Steven Levine, who is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're welcome.

[Camilla]

Dr. Steven Levine. Are you his manager? I mean, he. He can retire.

[Kris Jenner]

He's an amazing, amazing person. Human. And he's an Amazing man.

[Camilla]

For 30 more years.

[Kris Jenner]

About 40 something years old. So sorry, Stephen, if I told your age, but he's a very talented young man, so. So I really wanted to give him his flowers because I've never been in a situation where I felt so comfortable and safe and secure and just loved by his team. And they were so amazing. I mean, anytime I've ever had something done, my whole family is usually there, really. And in this particular case, it was in New York. So Kylie goes, okay, I'll go. And he then took his skill because he's so talented, and he did his thing. But what happened was shortly afterwards, when it really started exploding, other people were sort of taking credit for his work.

[Camilla]

Oh, I got you.

[Kris Jenner]

And I thought about it and I thought. I called Christy, our publicist, and I said, hey, how do you feel? And I asked my kids, of course, they go, mom, go for it. The guy's amazing. So I called him and I said, listen, I said, I really want you to have the credit for what you did. I know you don't care and you're not on social media and you're not out there. You're the busiest surgeon or, you know, professional I've ever met, and you don't need the attention. He didn't want the attention. Oh, and. Which I loved.

[Camilla]

Which is hot.

[Kris Jenner]

And I said, but do I have your permission to say who you are? And he goes, listen, I'll tell you what. As long as we can come up with a password so that if somebody calls and says, I'm Kris Jenner's best friend and can you. Can I have a consultation? They have to say the secret password. And so if I told you how many times his office has called and said, you know, Julie, you know, yeah, Monopoly's on the phone, and she says she's your best friend. And I'm like, I've never heard of her. So definitely people have tried to get in. And there's.

[Camilla]

So there's a word.

[Kris Jenner]

There's the.

[Camilla]

Well, no, there's a word that, like, the. The receptionist will be like, what's the secret password?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So if you know me, you know what the password is.

[Camilla]

Okay, well, Chris, remember, when I reach out in 30.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right.

[Camilla]

You tell me the password, I'm gonna.

[Kris Jenner]

Tell it to you.

[Camilla]

Amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Exclusive, folks.

[Camilla]

Exclusive. I love it. I'm obsessed.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Camilla]

By the way, and I will say this. All of you are amazing and have been so kind to me over the years. Have been so kind to everybody that you've worked with. Everyone says it, bar none. Oh, and he's just. I feel like another example of this guy, which is, again, a turn on, that he's not on social media. Because if he was like one of those doctors.

[Kris Jenner]

It's not thirsty. He is not thirsty. He's not out there trying to make a statement.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

He just wants to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you have to ask him?

[Camilla]

Permit. We're obsessed. So we're filming right now for yet another season of the Kardashians.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, Season seven.

[Camilla]

Season seven. Right.

[Kris Jenner]

Do you know that's.

[Camilla]

Wait, but season seven is coming out. Yes, In October.

[Kris Jenner]

We're. Yeah. Well, this is wrapping up. Oh, but this is season seven.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, I love that.

[Kris Jenner]

Season seven. Right, guys? Okay. Well, let's put it this way. This is why we're all confused. We shot Keeping up with the Kardashians for 20 seasons. This is seven seasons with Disney, Hulu, and that's. I'm on my 27th season. Think about that.

[Camilla]

And let's think about that.

[Kris Jenner]

Almost how old Kylie is.

[Camilla]

You started in 2007, and we're in 2025.

[Kris Jenner]

Right.

[Camilla]

So two years is gonna be to the 20th anniversary.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Have you thought about the 20th anniversary yet? Like, do something special? World tour.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, world tour. Oh, my God. I don't know.

[Camilla]

We have to do something special for the time.

[Kris Jenner]

I know. We do. We do. I just have to get through my 70th first.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, one.

[Camilla]

We don't talk about it. What are you gonna do for it?

[Kris Jenner]

The girls are planning a party.

[Camilla]

Okay. All them together. Is there a lead?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, well, there's always a lead. I don't want to know about it. I'm sure our crew is following some drama.

[Camilla]

Who knows, right?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

So 70th is gonna be a fun party for everybody.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. You know, we have to celebrate everything.

[Camilla]

You guys are great.

[Kris Jenner]

We love a great celebration. And just being there for each other and.

[Camilla]

And you're good at presents. We just got karma. What, like a crazy poker set.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. She's into poker now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

So she's. She loves her poker, which makes me really happy. And my girlfriend, Shelly Azoff has been her mentor. So it's been with poker. Yeah, it's been really fun for them.

[Camilla]

Do you think of the gifts for the girls?

[Kris Jenner]

It's mixed bag of, you know. What is your wish list for your birthday?

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

We all have a wish list.

[Camilla]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

So that, you know. So I said, what's Kylie's list? But before we got to the wish list, somebody from her team said, this would be a great idea. And I'm like, bingo.

[Camilla]

Genius. Bingo.

[Kris Jenner]

Yes.

[Camilla]

So we're filming. We're filming.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We're filming.

[Kris Jenner]

Yes.

[Camilla]

20 years almost.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Are you sick of it? Do you feel like there's, like, an end date in your mind that you foresee?

[Kris Jenner]

No, Truly, I love it so much. Really, I do.

[Camilla]

That's amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

I do.

[Camilla]

Like, you want to keep going forever?

[Kris Jenner]

I do. I do.

[Camilla]

For real.

[Kris Jenner]

I actually. I can't tell you who it is, but I text somebody this morning, happy birthday, who's an executive over at our network, and I said, happy birthday. And they wrote back, my birthday wish is that the Kardashians just goes on forever. And I said, your wish is my command. Oh, it was really cute.

[Camilla]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

Our little back and forth.

[Camilla]

I love that.

[Kris Jenner]

But you know what it is? I think we really enjoy being together. And I think that a lot of people. Not even a family, but people that have had a show or a job or a career in this business in what we call, you know, or used to call Hollywood, and now it's just entertainment. I think that a lot of people do it on their own. Not everybody has their entire family that they bring along for the ride.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And they are responsible for doing all the Heavy lifting and for being in charge of their career and their whole thing. And with us, it's. It's. It takes a village. But we're. We're an amazing.

[Camilla]

You get to do it together, which makes it so much more fun.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Yeah. And if one of us, you know, some of us can't be there, there's. The other ones are here. Like, today, it's Kylie and I. I think Kendall's home. My son's here. Kendall are. What are their names? Kim and Chloe are on her off somewhere. So it's always, you know, everything's together.

[Camilla]

Well, we were saying this, like, I knew we were filming in Chloe's podcast studio. I didn't know it was in Kylie's office, you know, or when I interviewed Chloe. It was like we were setting up in a conference room that was in Kim's. You know, Kim's. It's like, yeah, you guys really are as connected in all facets of your life. Like, exactly like we see on the show.

[Kris Jenner]

It's funny because somebody wrote something the other day, and they said, oh, a rare photo of all the girls together. And I went. I was talking to my publicist, and I went, rare photo. I said, this writer must know. We all live down the street from each other, right? Like, a block away from, like, Chloe lives next door. So it's just kind of funny how everyone has a different idea of what we do in our lives when we're not filming, but when we're not filming, it's no different than when this is what we do.

[Camilla]

Do you care what people think?

[Kris Jenner]

No, but that. I used to.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

I used to a lot.

[Camilla]

Because Kim is so good at, like, she's. And I tell this to anybody I meet, a beginning influence or anyone. I'm like, what would Kim Kardashian do? You know? And I even have that in my mind because she's so good at, like, so many times, just in her situation, I would want to scream to the world, like, the truth, you know?

[Kris Jenner]

Right.

[Camilla]

What? You don't know.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She just takes a high road every single time.

[Kris Jenner]

Every time. I know. Well, she's taught me a lot.

[Camilla]

She taught you.

[Kris Jenner]

She really did. Because I was quick to respond. I would want to snap back with something, you know, really, you know. Well, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Camilla]

You know, that kind of day.

[Kris Jenner]

Right. But, you know, I grew up many years ago. My grandmother helped raise me, and her motto was always, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. At all. I come from that generation.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

So I think that what I've learned from this journey is that people are just, you know, if they're gonna be mean spirited, they're maybe just trying to get attention. There's a million different reasons why you have a hater. You care about what somebody is thinking or, you know.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And I think that you just have to. We have really thick skin.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You do.

[Kris Jenner]

And it. I remember when we first started out, there wasn't Instagram, there wasn't Snapchat, there was barely Twitter, and there was Facebook. And somebody emailed me when we, like, first or second season, and they were so nasty. They wrote me this email about how, oh, my gosh, you know, Kylie was on a stripper pole and your daughters are wearing short dress. Whatever she said. And I wrote back and I just said, you know, I'm just trying to do the best I can. We're filming a show, we're having a ball. I love my children. They're my whole life. And I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but I wish you the best. And by the end of this email exchange, she asked me if she could work for me. You know, there's a small percentage of haters. Sometimes they just seem the loudest.

[Camilla]

Exactly. I agree with you and Kylie. I remember her saying, maybe I'm not meant for this life. Which is so. It's interesting. What about you? Did you always feel like you were meant to be someone?

[Kris Jenner]

I think I was meant for this life.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Because I think I'm really great at multitasking and I think I have great organizational skills and I'm solution based.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

So I'm a problem solver. So what I do. I mean, by the way, I would be just as happy as I get older being behind the camera and not so much. I love, you know, organizing it, producing it, creating help to create it. I'm not on the creative team ever. So if I'm in a meeting and it's time to name lip kits or you're out create, they're like, mom, you can go now.

[Camilla]

I'm like, okay, so you're part of the.

[Kris Jenner]

I'm. I'm more of the business side. I'm more of the organizational side and the solution side when something goes wrong. I'm like a fireman.

[Camilla]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

I just put out fires all day, so. But I do enjoy that. There's this level of enjoyment that I get working with my family and then that's my role. And I think over the years We've each understood what our roles are and how much we all do, I think what we really are good at and enjoy. And then, you know, we all come together and film our show.

[Camilla]

But they each have their own thing. But you're part of creating every single one of.

[Kris Jenner]

Yes.

[Camilla]

Their own things.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Camilla]

Does that. Does that just happen? Is that something you talk about whenever they come out, come up with a business, or do you ask?

[Kris Jenner]

We start together. You start together, and we create what they want to work on and what they feel like. We take a lot of meetings. We throw. We used to throw much more spaghetti at the wall.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

But we, you know, we definitely have a system that we go through when we're vetting a new company wanting to create a new business. The girls are always coming up with ideas, and it's my job to help manage that process and then figure out how to create a unit and a pod and a team and an infrastructure around what they want to do.

[Camilla]

Do you often have, like, business disagreements with them or are you usually on the same page? Oh, sure.

[Kris Jenner]

I mean, most of the time I understand what the vision is.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

But, you know, you have to get from A to Z somehow. And so there's always gonna be, you know, some disagreements from here or just the process of learning what's gonna work in that particular business that you wanna create.

[Camilla]

And you're exec. Producing Kim's new show. All spare.

[Kris Jenner]

All spare. I am.

[Camilla]

Is that a new area for you? The tv?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, my God. Well, it's not. I've been producing. I created and produced Keeping up with the Kardashians. And the Kardashians. So this is my. My real sweet spot, but scripted tv. And to be able to produce a show with Ryan Murphy and to be able to, you know, have a relationship with him and this friendship that we've developed and then watch not only Kim come alive and just magic as an actress.

[Camilla]

An actress.

[Kris Jenner]

She's unbelievable in this series. Unbelievable. And Ryan surrounded her with some of the greatest amazing cast talent in the world. The cast is phenomenal. They embraced her. They love her. They are so generous and kind with her, and it's been such a joy to watch her be so nourished on a set. And then how she grew because somebody was so kind to her and. And I'm sure she's learned so much from them. So I've never seen anything like it. And this is something that I watched all nine episodes recently, and I was blown away. I couldn't believe it.

[Camilla]

The trailer, the Unease looked amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

And by the way, when I finished watching, forgetting that Kim is my daughter. These characters keep living in my mind, and I'm like, I called Ryan and I said, you can't do this to me. Ryan Murphy. I need more episodes.

[Camilla]

You're obsessed.

[Kris Jenner]

I am obsessed.

[Camilla]

The whole.

[Kris Jenner]

The whole thing is fantastic.

[Camilla]

That is so exciting.

[Kris Jenner]

All the actresses, Kim's acting, the fashion, the sets.

[Camilla]

How involved were you in the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What is.

[Camilla]

Cause executive producing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's so broad.

[Camilla]

Like, we don't understand, right?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, I think every case is different. In this case, I was just happy to be a part of the party. But, I mean, Ryan made me feel so comfortable on set. I had my chair with my name on it, my headphones. Love it, the whole thing, you know, I felt like a real producer, so. And then went over to his house the other night for dinner, and Sarah Paulson was there. She is one of the funniest human beings that Sarah Paulson I have ever met.

[Camilla]

She's so funny, and she's amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's really close, isn't it?

[Kris Jenner]

Yes. Yes. Stacy Nash, Naomi Watts.

[Camilla]

It's an insane freaking.

[Kris Jenner]

It's. It's incredible.

[Camilla]

I love it so much.

[Kris Jenner]

They.

[Camilla]

They.

[Kris Jenner]

These women are so delicious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Camilla]

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[Camilla]

We're gonna ask some rapid fire questions.

[Kris Jenner]

Okay. Wow. Rapid fire.

[Camilla]

They're not that crazy.

[Kris Jenner]

Did you just snap?

[Camilla]

I was trying to and it failed.

[Kris Jenner]

Snap.

[Camilla]

Which daughter's closet would you want to trade with?

[Kris Jenner]

Kim? Yeah, I think Kim because of her love of vintage.

[Camilla]

Yeah, she's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's good.

[Camilla]

I can see that.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Who has the best one liners in the fam?

[Kris Jenner]

Chloe.

[Camilla]

You know that. I thought you were going to say you.

[Kris Jenner]

I was going to say Kris Jenner, but I thought, oh, give it to Chloe. Well, you know, it's me.

[Camilla]

She does. She does. You know, it's me, Camilla, the camel toe, whatever. All those.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Who's the perfect guy for Chloe?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, gosh, please tell me he's out there. I don't know.

[Camilla]

He's really, really good.

[Kris Jenner]

She just hasn't met him yet. Yeah, she's got the love of her life out there and they just need to meet.

[Camilla]

I love that. And I believe that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Actually, I do, too.

[Camilla]

Who's the hardest to shop for?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, that would be. Well, I have to pick somebody that doesn't tell you what they want. So the hardest to shop for is. I mean, they're all hard to shop for. They all are. Probably Kim. Maybe Kim.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

She's very specific and she has just a fantastic taste level. But, you know, she has a palette.

[Camilla]

Yeah. So it needs to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It needs to match.

[Camilla]

You have been on rhobh Real Housewives of Beverly Hills before. You've made guest appearances. I mean, now that we know that we want to do Kardashians forever, that makes me super happy.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, good.

[Camilla]

Is there a world that you would ever be a housewife?

[Kris Jenner]

No. Okay. No, no, no, no.

[Camilla]

Andy wouldn't try to even try to convince you.

[Kris Jenner]

I don't know. I think they have their hands full over there. They have a fantastic.

[Camilla]

And you're like the opposite. Opposite of a housewife. Technically, yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

I think, you know, I have enough people, you know, barking at me with my family and, you know, all of that. So I don't know if I need that. But I love the girls and I love Kyle so much.

[Camilla]

And Kathy, do you watch any of the franchises?

[Kris Jenner]

Sometimes, yeah. You know, it depends on what's happening or if Kyle, you know, tells me something, or Kathy and, you know, then I'll watch his support.

[Camilla]

Was it Kathy who convinced you to even film the Keeping Up?

[Kris Jenner]

It was actually. No, it was actually like many of my friends used to say, you really should do a reality show. Like, what goes on here is crazy.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And Kathie Lee Gifford, who's a very dear friend, she often, you know, would say, you guys need a reality show. This is just nuts. And one night, a friend of mine who's the casting director of Dancing with the Stars and different shows, she was over and saw just whatever the chaos was that night and said, you guys, you've got to meet Ryan Seacrest because he just has a deal now over at E. NBC Universal, and they're looking for, you know, a family and a reality show. And so, you know, the rest is history. So it really worked out.

[Camilla]

Isn't that. At the time, like, did you think. Because at the time we had, like, what, the Osbournes, Right?

[Kris Jenner]

Yes.

[Camilla]

And the. It's like, ozzy, rest in peace, Ozzy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We love you.

[Camilla]

I know, but you guys weren't in the forefront yet, right? Like, in the.

[Kris Jenner]

No.

[Camilla]

Kind of.

[Kris Jenner]

I. I think I really. I was so inspired, believe it or not, by Girls Next Door. I thought that was the funniest.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

You know, I'm like, what is happening? So between all of those different reality shows, I thought, oh, this would be such an interesting, you know, category to slip into if this, you know, because I have so many kids and.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And.

[Camilla]

And look where we are now.

[Kris Jenner]

And here we are.

[Camilla]

You wouldn't all these years later have thought this. What.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What would become.

[Kris Jenner]

Gotta dream big.

[Camilla]

Gotta dream big.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right.

[Camilla]

Okay, what about the Christmas party?

[Kris Jenner]

Because the Christmas party, we're in October.

[Camilla]

December is around the corner.

[Kris Jenner]

Listen, I have half of my shopping done for Christmas.

[Camilla]

I thought you guys are. What about the. The party party?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, the party party.

[Camilla]

That used to be the biggest deal in the world.

[Kris Jenner]

Well, we had. Let's see, did we have our party last year or the year before? And baby face, I thought that there.

[Camilla]

Was a year where you guys, like, Covid toned it down.

[Kris Jenner]

It was only stopped in Covet.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

I think two or three parties. Then we did something a little bit more exciting in two years ago or last year. Listen to me.

[Camilla]

So who's doing it this year?

[Kris Jenner]

Last year, Kendall did it.

[Camilla]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

And she did a smaller group.

[Camilla]

Okay. So this year, we're not. We're not sure yet of the party.

[Kris Jenner]

I don't think we're sure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Camilla]

Okay. But your list, you're saying are half through it.

[Kris Jenner]

My Christmas list? Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Now I just have to wait for that wish list to see if there's anything I need to fill in with. And.

[Camilla]

And the wrapping paper. Drama.

[Kris Jenner]

I have not picked my wrapping paper. That is drama.

[Camilla]

Are you waiting to copy from Kim?

[Kris Jenner]

Um, probably. Yeah, I am. You know I am.

[Camilla]

Which daughter gives the best advice?

[Kris Jenner]

Gosh. They all do.

[Camilla]

Really?

[Kris Jenner]

They really do. For different reasons. And they all have a different perspective. So it's kind of nice to do, like a town hall.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Kris Jenner]

You know, get everyone's opinion and get everyone's opinion. Sometimes I'll get this random call on my phone, and it'll be a group FaceTime call. You know, when you get that call and it's. Everybody's on and somebody has one question. It could be anything from something super serious or kid related. How do I handle this? How do I handle that? You know, the kids are growing up so fast. Or how does the stress look?

[Camilla]

Who.

[Kris Jenner]

Which look do you like better?

[Camilla]

But that's hard. What if everyone says something different?

[Kris Jenner]

I know. They do.

[Camilla]

They. And they do.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

So who would you listen to?

[Kris Jenner]

I listen to all of them for different reasons.

[Camilla]

Okay. I got you.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Dress well if you want to be, you know. I mean, Kendall has a completely opposite style than Chloe.

[Camilla]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

You know, so it depends on where I'm going and then who I'm going to listen to.

[Camilla]

Right, Right. Yes.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

And that's hard. But I guess you're like. I'm going for, like, chic, minimalist.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'll ask Kendall.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right.

[Camilla]

If I'm, like, wearing tights.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Chloe loves those. Then I'm gonna ask. Then I'm gonna ask Chloe. What about, like, if you're having, like, a crisis situation, which I think I know the answer.

[Kris Jenner]

Kim.

[Camilla]

Really?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Not Chloe.

[Kris Jenner]

Well, Chloe will always be a part of the conversation.

[Camilla]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

But Kim is going to save the day, be the calmest, and then she'll throw out legal advice.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

It's just wild.

[Camilla]

Right. Well.

[Kris Jenner]

And, you know, section 2.12, it says yes.

[Camilla]

Like, okay, would you hire Kim to represent you?

[Kris Jenner]

A thousand percent.

[Camilla]

You would? Kim is My lawyer?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, she is. What? She already does. She represents the whole family. She doesn't even realize it.

[Camilla]

What? How do you make your martini? People want to know.

[Kris Jenner]

Shaken and not stirred, extra dry, two olives, really cold, in a fabulous glass.

[Camilla]

Do we get one every night?

[Kris Jenner]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I should be an every night. Let's have a cocktail at the end of the day just to kind of chill.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And I feel like the older I get the desire to have that, so now it's more like a treat, you know, or a party or people for dinner or it's more of an occasion.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Not like an alone thing.

[Camilla]

Yeah, I get that.

[Kris Jenner]

I've grown out of drinking alone. Amanda. Finally. I know you're happy for me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I am.

[Camilla]

No, but I do love the bowl of cigar. Do we have the occasional.

[Kris Jenner]

You know, it depends on, you know, what everybody's doing. But that's mostly because it's chic looking.

[Camilla]

It is chic.

[Kris Jenner]

It's not for smoking. It's for sitting at the bar in a fabulous Kristoff tray with the. With the little baby ashtray and the cigarette holder and the lighting.

[Camilla]

Someone lights up in your house, is that fine?

[Kris Jenner]

Maybe not in the house.

[Camilla]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

You're like, take it outside on the patio.

[Camilla]

This is for decoration.

[Kris Jenner]

Somebody wants to light something up, they're on their own.

[Camilla]

Do you have a favorite Kris Jenner meme? Do you get sick of them? Like, if someone's like, you're doing amazing, sweetie. Are you over it?

[Kris Jenner]

How could I ever be over that?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know.

[Camilla]

It's so much fun and it's like, it really.

[Kris Jenner]

I mean, what if, like, nobody even cared and didn't make a meme? Like, it's so much fun and it's so. I'm always in on my own joke. If you don't think I know exactly what's going on, I'm always the first one to laugh at myself and not take myself too seriously.

[Camilla]

By the way, you really did pass it down to your kids, because that's one of the things I love most about your family. And I also would recommend other celebs to do. It's like, if you can't laugh at yourself.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

You have to then. And you're taking everything people are saying. And also the. If people are posting funny things, say, like, I feel like that's the way you guys are. You're thankful if it's funny. If it's hateful, you don't like it. But if it's, like, has a tongue in cheek vibe.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, I love it.

[Camilla]

Or then you're in on it.

[Kris Jenner]

And I love. The other day, Chloe sent me a DM that she had seen online, and it was. Oh, a group of college girls all dressed like me, dancing in the rain in the green sequined dress. The copy of the Dolce and Gabbana with the white collar. Well, I mean, you know, they're like, costumey and with the black tie and the short black hair and they were. And it said, you're doing amazing, sweetie. And there was like a marching band or singers or something behind them, and I went, this is the cutest thing. You know, just to be. Have people just have a giggle. I mean, why not? It's fun.

[Camilla]

It's so fun. That reminds me of. There was one year where they did your face mask for them. Yeah. For your birthday party. That was so amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camilla]

Notice, like, you. We were talking about how you were part of all their businesses, but you also, like, post. Speaking of social media for. You're like, Kai skims Lemmy. Good American.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Camilla]

Post Chloe's pod. Every week. You post the clips.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. I love being supportive, and I'm so proud of them.

[Camilla]

How do you keep up with all of it?

[Kris Jenner]

You know, I obviously have a team that, you know, reminds me of, you know, things I get from friends or, you know, if somebody has, you know, something new coming out. I love to support my friends, and I also love to talk about things that I love. But I especially love to post about my kids.

[Camilla]

You too?

[Kris Jenner]

It's like, I'm so proud of them. It'd be like any proud mom. I mean, you're so proud of your kids as they're growing up and they're in kindergarten and bring you a, you know, their handprints kind of thing. And then it grew into their businesses, and I. My joy for them just hasn't changed.

[Camilla]

That's so sweet. Every time I'm like, who put. Is this Chloe? No, it's Chris posting. It's just so freaking adorable. But you didn't tell me. You didn't tell me. What your favorite, like, meme moment. Oh, is it the amazing sweetie meme?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, I think it. I don't know if this is a meme technically, but I love my voice that's on all these different memes where I say, oh, my God, it's amazing when I'm showing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, guess what?

[Camilla]

We're doing that today.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, you are.

[Camilla]

With you.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, okay.

[Camilla]

Yeah. That is the number that right now, by the way, is, like, viral.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like that moment.

[Camilla]

Is still being used day in and day out. Isn't that so fun?

[Kris Jenner]

I catch myself in other situations, you know, when I'm just out and about with my friends or with my kids and I say those same words and I just. I catch myself and I go, God, I really say that all the time about stuff.

[Camilla]

I'm Chris motherfucking Jenner all the time.

[Kris Jenner]

No, no, no.

[Camilla]

Well, you are. And thank you so much for coming on my show. It is an honor for me. I'm so thankful for you and your family.

[Kris Jenner]

Thank you.

[Camilla]

I love you guys so much.

[Kris Jenner]

Well, we're really, really thankful for you. And thanks for being so positive and supportive all the time. You really are. It means a lot to us.

[Camilla]

And thank you.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. Love you the greatest. Love you, too.

[Camilla]

Thank you guys so much for listening.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Camilla]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Camilla]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Kris Jenner]

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