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Amanda Hirsch
Okay, you guys, it is finally summer outside. Finally summer. We're talking pool weather, we're talking beach weather, we're talking linen weather, and of course, we are talking margarita weather. I am such a margarita girly. Especially in the summer because it just gives that kind of a vibe, like a rooftop pool with, like a margarita. It's chilled, it's delicious, it's crisp, it's refreshing. And the tequila I love to use for my margaritas is a straw right here. Okay? This tequila is so good. It is so smooth. This is obviously the blanco and it's made with 100% agave, which we love. It's just delicious. I love it so much. And I can tell you right now, my favorite recipe for my Amanda House Margarita, using a straw is you use a shot of a straw and then you use some lime juice, some soda water, or just regular water, a little bit of maple syrup, and sometimes I like to add in like a jalapeno. Okay? That's all you need. And it is just the best, the best margarita recipe, but you gotta use a straw for that. Estrall Tequila is the official house tequila of Dear Media. You could feel good about ordering Estrall at a bar or restaurant or getting it for your home and making a housemark like me, because it is affordable and it's great tasting and it mixes beautifully into any cocktail, especially a margarita. So stock up the summer on a straw. It's my go to for get together. So whether you're hosting or just having a drink with your husband or with a couple of friends, choose Estrall Tequila. How's Marg? Summer is here. It's time to stock up. You guys go to www.astral tequila a s T R A L T E q u I la.com to find a straw near you. And don't forget the limes, okay? Dakota Johnson would never forget those limes. If you know, you know, please enjoy responsibly. A straw tequila, 40% alcohol per volume. Diageo New York, New York. The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.
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Kristen Doute
Foreign.
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Amanda Hirsch
Hey, hey, hey, and happy Tuesday, you guys. How's everybody doing today? I am exhausted. Thanks for asking. It's actually concerning, you know, when you're so exhausted, you Feel like you've been drugged and you're like, this is what it feels like to be drugged. However, I've felt like this in my life either. When I was pregnant, which I'm not, so don't even. I had Covid, like, a couple weeks ago and actually didn't share it on Instagram, which is so bizarre. I realized in retrospect that I didn't share it and I was like, oh, my God, who am I? Like, see, I make fun of, like, the fact that I'm not mysterious, but here I am being so fucking mysterious. It just feels like people don't, like, talk about that anymore, you know what I mean? Like Covid. But anyway, I think it exhausted me completely. My whole family got it one by one, but it was pretty easy, knock on wood. Like, husband. No, I had like a one night situation. Lenny's also, like, teething at every point in time, so I didn't know if it was that or the teething. And I had, like, a really bad migraine for, like, 24 hours. And now I'm just, like, exhausted. Like, the exhaustion stayed with me. I will say long Covet does scare me, just because the only other time in my life that I had Covid, I had long Covet and I had those gut issues that I wouldn't shut the up about. I literally had H. Pylori and Sibo from COVID So I'm kind of traumatized by just any lasting effects of it. I have a random story that I wanted to tell you guys just because it. Like, here's the thing. I've spoken about this before. Like, I love celebrity news and gossip and. And stories that come out of Hollywood and movies and TV and reality and all that. And here's the thing. Like, I love the normie too. Like, I'm just a curious person, and I think that's what drives me and motivates me in work and in life. Like, I'm just so curious. So somebody that I know is having a baby. So. So the guy told me about the fact that his wife is pregnant. And I work with this guy, so I see him pretty often. But anyway, and I'm only saying it this. This in this elusive way because it doesn't matter who it is, but also because, like, they haven't shared it with the. With the world yet. But my point is. So he told me about his wife being pregnant, and he showed me the video of showing his parents. And the mom is like this, like, super cute, Italian, like, loud woman. She's screaming. She's screaming. She's like, like, so sweet. I was like, this is so sweet. And I see in the video that like this guy that I thought I kind of like knew and I was like, I feel like he would be a mama's boy. Like he would like give his mom a big fat hug and he's like giving her this like weird awkward one handed hug and then like walking off. And I'm like, wait, rewind. And I keep on going back. I'm like, what are you doing here? Like, you're not hugging your mom. Like, why aren't you hugging your mom? Why are you walking away? Like, why are you being weird? And I'm so annoying, like beraging him and if that's a word. And he was like kind of just looking at me blankly and even maybe his eyes were watering a little bit. And I was like, what is this? What is this? Why are you doing this to your mom? Like, your mom deserves more. She's screaming, what is. Like, I didn't see you like this. I thought that you would be more like emotional and warm and. And he's like, can I just explain myself for a minute? I was like, okay. And he was like, her reaction made me so emotional that I started getting choked up. And I like didn't want her to see that or the rest of the people in the room see that. And the minute he said it, it clicked because my husband would act the same exact way. And I was like, men are such a. As much as we try to make them out to be like not complicated creatures, they are so fudgeing complicated in the way that they think because it's so different than us. Like them not letting themselves emote, like stopping themselves from emoting. Like they rather come off like cold hearted than like warm and sensitive, you know, it just blew my mind. And I said to him, I was like, first of all, like, I'm sorry if I made you feel bad, but I really think you should tell your mom. Like, how about like when you see her, like, please tell her, like, mom, my reaction, you know, just, you know, it's because I got emotional, not because I'm a fucking weirdo. Anyway, the conversation continued into another thing I wanted to share. Because then I was like, your mom is so excited. Is she gonna come? Is she gonna help? Blah, blah, blah. He was like, yeah, she's so excited. So. And then I got this feeling just from the way that he was talking about his mom, like being involved, that there's no way the chick's mom Is like around to get him saying, you know I'm saying, right? You know, you get where I'm getting at. I'm getting an orphan motherfucking wife. Okay? That's what I'm getting at. My theory, okay? So I go to him like, wait, is your wife's family, like not involved? Because like, your mom sounds like she's really planning on like being super involved. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he told me that she's pretty much an orphan. I was like, wait, you're telling me that you're living my real life theory? And I go to him like, of course your mom is fucking that excited because she fucking has an orphan daughter in law. She knows she has no competition. She's going to be living with you. Like, it all added up. I love when my theory plays out. I'm telling you guys, like, listen to me, I know what's good. Even in this past day, you guys have tagged me so much in this new research that came out that said that your odds of having like a boy or a girl aren't actually 5050 as previously mentioned, and that once you have like one gender, it's way more of a chance that you would have the same gender. Duh. That is what I've literally been saying. So anyway, I'm a genius. What else is new? I will tell you something very sad this week. Aside from the deaths and threes, which is just wild in Hollywood, we had Hulk Hogan pass away, which, like, we all kind of like grew up on him and his family. Do you remember when Brooke Hogan came out with a song? It wasn't a bad song. I'm pretty sure it's still in my, like, favorites, Hulk Hogan. My God, I'm blinking. Who else passed away? Ozzy Osbourne. And here's the thing about Ozzy Osbourne. He was on a farewell tour just now. Like, imagine going out on his. On a farewell tour. It's like also double meaning, like a farewell tour. Yeah, because you, you died. But which is so great for like the people that got to see him for the last time, that they got to see him for the last time. Obviously so sad for him and for his family. He was a special guy, Ozzy Osbourne. And my only thing is like, did this farewell to or kill him? Like, I think it's said that he died from Parkinson's, which he's had for a long time, but. But also, like, was that too much for his body? Also, the Crosby shows Malcolm Jamal Warner passed away. This is the third, third in the Most tragic way, drowning. He got caught in a riptide with his daughter. His daughter got saved, he did in Costa Rica. I mean, just seriously heartbreaking. Not to be like in a, in a, in a negative mood, but if we are in a negative mood, then another kind of really sad thing that happened this week that, that, that breaks my heart along with many others, is that E News has been canceled after 34 years on air. Now, let me tell you what E News has meant to me, because as basic as this will sound, and I don't care. Since I was a little girl manifesting and dreaming and being dulu, I thought about E. News. I thought about being a host on E. News. And I think that's kind of what I created for myself when I started. Like, I'll be my own inos and, you know, I'll report on what's going on, I'll talk about it, and I'll just do it myself. Which has led me to, you know, this amazing thing that I, that I do. But any chance I got to work with you news, whether it was on the rundown or carpets that I did with them, Fashion week or just the Kardashians, the cards catch up. By the way, E News linear is being canceled. So nothing, nothing else, like not the digital stuff, but was just a dream come true. Anytime I got to work with them, I hope that I will get to work with them in the future. But just so they know and you know what E News that the television show and channel has meant to me, like, that was Mecca, those fucking Mecca for someone like me and I know for a lot of other people. So it's sad and deserves a moment now to move on to today's guest. I am shocked that in all the years and I texted her this and I go in all the years that in all the years I didn't fucking have Kristen motherfucking Doty on the show. How. How didn't I have Kristen Doty? I don't know, but she's on today. She's back on her screens. She has a baby, she has a fiance. She's on the Valley and she's here to unpack the drama. We're going to talk about motherhood to her sweet baby Kaya. That surprise engagement, Was she surprised? Did she shower? She happy? She showered? Also ask her about that. Jack's departure, what she thinks about that Danny's drinking, why and how and why she sticks up so hard for Danny and Nia, her dynamic with Janet, which is really no bueno, and her Thoughts on Sheena's new book and Brock's affair. She has some thoughts, because, you know, Dodie, she's savage. What do you guys think of when you think of Kristen doie from Vanderbump Rules? I think of suck a dick when she tells Diana. Anyway, she's savage. And she's here enjoying my conversation with Kristen Doty. There she is, ladies and gentlemen. She's. No, no. I just texted you today. I was like, in all of the years.
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Kristen Doute
It's wild.
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Amanda Hirsch
Why?
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Kristen Doute
I don't know. I know you so well. It's so, like, I feel like we've hung out.
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Amanda Hirsch
I know. No, we haven't met. This is the truth, though. We haven't met. Irl. You haven't been on my podcast. What the.
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Kristen Doute
What the.
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Amanda Hirsch
And also happened. Like, she hasn't been on. Then we planned it one time. Like, something happened with you, and then something happened with me. Like, we're here, and even though we're not physically, this is the best we could do.
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Kristen Doute
Yes. But I'm. I'm here for it. It's like. It's like you're right here in the nursery with me in the nursery.
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Amanda Hirsch
Mama. Mamacita. Wait, so how many months is Kaya now?
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Kristen Doute
She is almost six weeks.
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Amanda Hirsch
That's it. Oh, my God, That's.
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Kristen Doute
It feels like a lot longer.
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Amanda Hirsch
She's only six weeks.
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Kristen Doute
I feel like I've had her for a lot longer. Is that weird?
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Amanda Hirsch
We love her name, by the way. Love the name. How did you decide on that name?
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Kristen Doute
It. I don't know. It just came to me. Like, I liked the name Lily. I didn't like it for her first name. And then I was like, oh, I love calla lilies. And I was like, that's a weird name. And then I'm like, oh, Kaya. And Kaya is Means the sea in Hawaiian. Not that we're Hawaiian, because we're not, but we got engaged in Hawaii, and then it all just kind of fell into place, and it was like a very. Yeah, just very. I love what I want for her like this. I want her to be, like, adventurous and earthy and outgoing and I don't know. I don't know if you can hear screaming in the background, but. Newborn trenches.
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Amanda Hirsch
How are you doing for a simple good.
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Kristen Doute
I mean, she's sleeping five hours a night for the most part, like, this last week, which is just every time I'm like, bless it. Like, we just slept five hours. Because she slept five hours. And that is like, I slept ten hours.
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh, My God. Totally. And don't. I mean, it's gonna start soon. It's so weird. It's like, how are you doing? Kaya's sleeping five hours a night. Like, that's your answer. But it's so true. It's like those early days. Like, how are you doing? You're like, well, I got two hours of sleep. Like, that's life. Like, just trying to fudgeing sleep. But I will tell you this, Kristen. You end up sleeping and it ends up being okay. You know what I mean? Whenever that happens. So don't let anybody ask you if she's sleeping through the night. If somebody asks you that, stab them.
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Kristen Doute
I want to stab them. Like, I want to. For real.
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Amanda Hirsch
Some people will be like, my baby was born sleeping through the night.
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Kristen Doute
Oh, my baby slept. Like, my baby wasn't colicky. Oh, your baby's gassy. My baby was so good. You should try X, Y and Z. You should try. We got it. We try all the stuff. We talk to the pediatrician. If I wanted your advice, I would.
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Amanda Hirsch
Ask, do you feel like, Kristen, like, you were meant for this? Because we all know, like, how long you wanted to have a baby for.
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Kristen Doute
Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Like, I. I don't want to be the mom that's like, we're so connected. But like, we, she and I really are. And I had a shit pregnancy. I was really worried after I gave birth that I would feel like I was worried that it was going to be like my engagement. Right. I didn't have this, like, great engagement where I was like, oh, it's so perfect. And I was like, yes. Right. So when I gave.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, why? Wait, why do you think your engagement was imperfect? Because of what?
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Kristen Doute
Because I said fuck. Like, it wasn't this, like, picture romantic bachelor.
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Amanda Hirsch
But you showered. But you showered.
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Kristen Doute
I showered today and I showered for my engagement.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right. So first of all, you showered. Let's look at bright side. You showered for your engagement. Wait, you said, at what point? Like, immediately. Remind me.
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Kristen Doute
Yeah, I said, what the. And then I said, so I didn't even realize, like, watching it back. And then I was like, sorry for.
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Amanda Hirsch
Saying I wouldn't even think about that. Why did you care that you said fuck, that's you.
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Kristen Doute
It was just. I know, but, like, it's not. Why not? Just like, I'm happy. Like, why do I have to cuss? Like, chill out. You know what I mean? And so with Kaya, I was like, had this anxiety about what if I don't cry happy tears when they lay her on me? Or what if I'm not like, we're soul connected and all of these feelings and I didn't. To be honest, I didn't, like, feel some way like that. But now that I have her, I do.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, for sure. You were worried that it might not be this like. That it won't be, like, as romantic as it should be. It's interesting. Whenever people post the hospital plaque and are like, I loved you from the moment, I'm like, like, literally, meet the baby first. Like, meet the baby. Have a few days with the baby, then. Then be in love. Okay. Because when the baby first comes out, you are actually being sewn or, like, placenta delivering or whatever the fuck you're doing. You are not in love yet. You're dealing with a lot of things.
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Kristen Doute
And that's what I barely remember. I remember the pushing part and then kind of just watching them, like, weigh her and watching them take her to Luke and, like, yes, holding her, but, like, having her on me. But I. Yeah. Even when we tell the birth story, I make Luke tell half of it because I feel like I don't remember. I know that I don't remember some of it.
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Amanda Hirsch
How was he, like, as supportive partner in the room? Did he handle it well?
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Kristen Doute
Yes. Like, he just was. So during the actual, like, pushing part, which was only nine minutes, he was just standing next to me, and I remember him just whatever my doctor said, he said. So when it was like, push, push. And Luke was like, yeah, like, do that. It was. Yeah. I mean, he. I was induced, so it was kind of by the book. Like, this is what's happening now. This is happening.
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Amanda Hirsch
Why were you induced? Did you go over the due date?
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Kristen Doute
No, because. So when I found out I was pregnant, my doctor told me it was, like, the only thing that he was gonna harp on me about my age is that he would not let me go full term and definitely not passed. Because after the age of 40, I guess, like, your placenta stopped supporting itself. So that was just a worry. And in the very beginning, I'm like, okay, so we'll go. He's like, a week early, tops. But probably I'd like you to go a week early. And by when I hit, like, 34 weeks, I was like, how early can we go? Can we go now? And then 36 weeks. And then at 38, I was like, can we go two weeks early? He's like, we don't need to.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, you're fine. Why? Because you were so uncomfortable.
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Kristen Doute
Oh, I was massive. I thought I Was huge. At six months. No. Like, no, no, no, no, no. I was so uncomfortable. I was seeing an orthopedist because I had, like, serious rib pain where I couldn't breathe, I couldn't cough, I couldn't sneeze. It was just stabbing me. And I was crying every day. I was getting, like, steroid injections and lidocaine injections, and I don't know what I thought, like, happened, but it was just pregnancy.
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Amanda Hirsch
Do you understand now what I love to say, Kristen? Men could never, never, never. I was just having rib pain. I'm like, yeah, because it's, like, normal that you, like, would feel that you can't breathe and just have to deal with that and just, like, a really long time.
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Kristen Doute
I'm like. When I say her feet are in my ribs all day and all night, and I'm like, the gloriousness of pregnancy. It's so wonderful. Like, really during my pregnancy, watching Kylie, like, on Instagram, but, like, listening to Kylie Kelsey's podcast when she was pregnant with her fourth as well, and she was like, it's a means to an end.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right? Right. She says that.
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Kristen Doute
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I don't feel so.
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Amanda Hirsch
I was pregnant at the same time as Sophia Richie, and let me tell you, she does not give Kylie Kelsey vibes. I remember she posted, like, a. Like, nine glamorous months are glorious. Glorious. And I was like, so glorious. So. So be thankful you had Kylie Kelsey as a pregnancy sister, because I was just getting pissed. Just watch. I mean, we all did. But this season of the Valley, that's out right now. You're talking about the struggles of getting pregnant, you know, and even in this last episode, the word infertile being thrown at you. And I was like, how crazy that literally the finale, you know, ends with you talking about getting these results, about them calling you infertile. And also you're saying, like, will I ever? Will I ever? And then I'm like, It warms my heart so much. Like, yes, you will. You did.
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Kristen Doute
Yeah. I don't. I don't know if I would be very okay watching all of that back had without having her.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
Like, thank God. I mean, I'm glad that I was opening up because in, you know, in real life, not just filming it on the show when it was airing, but, like, doing that publicly on social media and talking about things was healing for me after our pregnancy loss because the more I opened up, the more other women opened up, and it was like, the positive side of social media was, like, really Connecting with perfect strangers about things like that. And that's really why I did. It was healing for me and it was healing hearing from them. But then, like, looking back, if I didn't have her, I'd be like, in a much different place.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, there is. I mean, I, I so understand that side of sharing, but isn't there also the. The scary part of sharing that's also hearing all these negative stories and stories that you're like, okay, I love to know that I'm not alone, that it's normalized, but also like, this is too normalized. And, you know, I. I feel like that would kind of make me anxious.
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Kristen Doute
Oh, of course. Like, I. My anxiety has anxiety about stuff like that. And the people that don't believe my story. Like when I say that we did IUI and then we got pregnant the first time, it was like the amount of people that did reach out and were like, yeah, right, she totally did ivf. I don't know why she's lying. That's what I want, lying about anything. Like, come on. So it's. It's that double edged sword too.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Especially because. Yeah, you really shared so much of the process. Like, we knew when you were ovulating, you know, and we're watching the show. What about wedding planning?
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Kristen Doute
What are you.
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Amanda Hirsch
No, not there. No.
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Kristen Doute
Like new after newborn trenches.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Kristen Doute
Maybe we can talk about it and.
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Amanda Hirsch
Then maybe wait until she walks so she could be flower girl.
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Kristen Doute
Like we do. We do, like, fantasize about it. Like just the where is where we're at right now. The where and the, like, how many is the. Is the only place that we're at right now.
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Amanda Hirsch
Is there a part of you that's like, it, let's go to city hall and get this, get this on the road. No, no.
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Kristen Doute
I feel like we deserve more. Like we met at a wedding. I'm like, I want us to have. Especially now having Kaya. Like, I want photos.
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Amanda Hirsch
I love that name. Every time you say that name, I'm obsessed.
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Kristen Doute
Thank you.
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Amanda Hirsch
And what about this Luke guy? We need to talk about him because he comes on and I feel like he's such a different vibe than what we're used to on reality tv. However, the man is leaning in like he's leaning into the show. He's like giving in scenes, like in the drama.
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Kristen Doute
Like he.
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Amanda Hirsch
He's holding his own in this very crazy world. Did you ever predict that he would, like, be on TV with you in this way?
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Kristen Doute
No, I'm. Well, did I predict he'd Be on tv. I hope so, because I knew we were going to jump into the Valley when we met, and if he didn't, it was going to be a really tough go for us. Like, I can't do this show headfirst and then be like, oh, and I have this guy. You're never going to see him, though. Yeah, but I didn't think he would lean in as much as he is and really just kind of like, throw his hands up and go, okay, fine. But I think it's. It's the give and take because for him it was like, do you swear we won't live in LA forever if.
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Amanda Hirsch
And I'll.
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Kristen Doute
I'll do this show thing. Because I said, like, this is a must for me. And he was like, well, a must for me is we're not raising a family in Los Angeles. So I'm like, okay, cool.
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Amanda Hirsch
Okay. But what, are you gonna really uphold your promise?
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Kristen Doute
Oh, yeah. I'm. It's like, now that I have Kaya and like, the days that go by that I hear like a firework outside, and I'm like, was that a gun or just the dirtiness of the city and just certain things, like, we don't have land and it's not the way he and I grew up. So things have shifted dramatically in even five weeks, really. But, like, not anytime soon. But before she school age.
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Amanda Hirsch
You think you will?
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Kristen Doute
Yeah, for sure.
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Amanda Hirsch
Will you allow filming with her on the show?
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Kristen Doute
Yeah, she's not gonna remember this. And it's just like, what a sweet video yearbook. I mean, doing having him propose to me on the show, which I actually told him about a year before that if. If I knew he was going to propose at some point, but, like, whenever you're gonna do it, I said, I don't want it on the show. I feel like it's going to take away, like, the sanctity of, like, what's real for us. And I just, ew, no. I don't want it to be a part of the show. I didn't know how much pull he would have or, like, if there was something that was going to upset him because things had to be a certain way because we're still filming a show. I was thinking about all of this a year ahead of time, and I said, absolutely not on the show. Now looking back, thank God, because I have this amazing video.
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Amanda Hirsch
He didn't listen to you, though, which is funny as.
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Kristen Doute
And he shouldn't. He knows better than I do.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, that's so funny. You were like, whatever. You do absolutely do not film it, then goes ahead and films it. So many people had reactions to that engagement video. Some people were like, oh my God, she really didn't know because, like, you weren't turning around, you know, like you didn't and were. There were some annoying people that were like, oh, she's so new, right?
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Kristen Doute
That I faked it. I'm, I'm fully in the Reddit threads on there. Like, that's why she stayed turned around for so long. Like, was she really looking for dolphins or whales or whatever? Just blah, blah, blah. Again, let me just reiterate. The first words out of my mouth wouldn't have been fuck yeah, you would have.
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Amanda Hirsch
You would have been like, oh, Lou, you would have.
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Kristen Doute
I also just would have looked cuter.
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Amanda Hirsch
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Kristen Doute
No.
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Amanda Hirsch
A Z. A Z.
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Amanda Hirsch
And we're back. Are you bummed at all that? Like, because I'm assuming you weren't filming throughout your pregnancy, right? That hasn't happened.
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Kristen Doute
Right.
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Amanda Hirsch
So you don't have that as, like, the yearbook or the birth or anything or. You're okay with that?
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Kristen Doute
Oh, thank God. I don't want to look back on my pregnancy at all.
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Amanda Hirsch
Why? Why do you say that?
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Kristen Doute
First trimester, I was mentally unwell. It was. I've never been. I could never prepare myself for what that did. Like, I started feeling crazy. I went back to my. Like, I went to my therapist, and I was like, I feel like crazy, Kristin. I feel like all those. All those tools in the toolkit that you gave me, they're gone. Vominos. Nope. They don't exist. I am right back to where I was. I'm screaming at Luke. I. Luke was like, I don't know who you are. And I was like, I don't know who I am. I don't know who this is. Second trimester was a gem. Glorious. Probably like, 20 weeks on third trimester. Physically, absolutely miserable.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, and what about when you gave birth? You didn't feel the. Those hormones? Like, because those first few days at home were you. How were you? Hormonally?
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Kristen Doute
So I've been on Lexapro. Back on Lexapro since second trimester.
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh, wow.
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Kristen Doute
Which is the thing I could have done because I'd been off of it for a little while, and then I honestly, I just Even now I'm just trying to stay like non stop busy. I didn't give myself like a day to like or like five days in.
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Amanda Hirsch
Why are you trying to stay non stop busy?
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Kristen Doute
I don't want to be still with my thoughts. Like I've cried. I've had moments for sure. But like, I don't want to, I don't want to let myself go down a path of like. No, nope. I'm just like, oh, baby. Laundry, dishes, this, that, whatever.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, you're trying to keep it. That helps you to like stay busy. Wait, so you went off Lexa Pro years ago or did you do that cuz you wanted to like get pregnant without being on meds or.
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Kristen Doute
I went from lexpro to Wellbutrin when I tried. When we tried getting pregnant the first time, when we succeeded and for whatever reason, my doctors recommended the Wellbutrin over the Lex Pro and I said, okay, sure, well, whatever. Which was, looking back was odd. I just didn't really know enough about my medication to realize it was the anxiety, not the depression. And then in beginning of my second trimester, I was talking to my f. My friend Becca, Becca Fox, who is, she's an author and she's a therapist and she writes books on like postpartum baby blues, etc. And she connected me with a reproductive psychiatrist. And when we told, when I told them about, I told her about the fact that I was like off of this ssri, but I was on Wellbutrin. She was like, why don't you have a conversation with your doctor? So I did. And I said, this is what she recommends. He said, let's do do it. And about four weeks later, I felt like a new person. Oh, wow. And I know that I, I know that second trimester is a lot easier, at least for me it was. But I think it really was like the combination of being off the progesterone that I was on extra progesterone my first trimester, second trimester, just chilling out, but also being on the Luxapro, definitely.
- [37:32]
Amanda Hirsch
And you felt like, like there was something in you second trimester that you were like you were feeling anxious, extra anxious, extra depressed.
- [37:43]
Kristen Doute
No. First trimester and then beginning of my sister. And I think it was like, obviously the hormones were a huge thing. And I mean, as you know, it's like for me, second trimester was like, now I have a baby bump and my hormones have chilled out and everything just kind of falls into place a little bit more. And you're not. Or I wasn't like, physically uncomfortable. So there's just so much sweet spots about second trimester that it was like, this is what I thought pregnancy was going to be like.
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Amanda Hirsch
Well, by the way, I was also on SSRIs for both my pregnancies, so thank you for talking about it, normalizing it. Obviously, anybody listening, talk to your doctor. But what was told to me when I was debating was healthy mommy, healthy baby. So to keep the mom healthy, if that's physically and mentally and with anything, there's, like, benefit versus risk, and the benefit tends to outweigh the risk when it comes to ssri.
- [38:45]
Kristen Doute
I mean, everyone on my mental health, you know, pregnancy team was like, a good mom is a less stressed mom.
- [38:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
The least stressed out that you can be.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
The better.
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Amanda Hirsch
And you never know. Also, like, did this, you know, maybe it's saving you on this postpartum journey as well. You know what I mean? That's what I think. I'm like, knock on what? I was good postpartum and. And didn't have postpartum depression. Don't know what would have been if I wasn't on anything. Like, I don't know, you know?
- [39:18]
Kristen Doute
Oh, same, same. I just had the conversation with my doctor the other day like, that. Here's the postpartum checkup. How's it going with the Lexapro? And I told this exact same thing to him. Like, it was like, after the month, I've just been great, and I think this is where we need to stay. Yeah, it's good for me. Good for her.
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Amanda Hirsch
I love that. Obviously, you guys, Kristen was off our screens for a few years there. How many years were you away before? Three years. What was that like in general coming back from the Valley after that hiatus? Like, did you come in. In super excited, ready to fucking go? Were you nervous?
- [39:56]
Kristen Doute
All of the above. Like, d. All of the above. I was stoked. I was ready, personally, but I was really afraid of the reception, that people weren't going to be ready for me.
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Amanda Hirsch
It's so funny that you say that, because I will take you saying that and then put a clip of you literally going wild. Like, I was so scared of them. I was so scared. Cut to Kristen being like she had a boyfriend or whatever the you did the first season. We love her. We love her.
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Kristen Doute
I can't help it. I love who I am.
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Amanda Hirsch
Did you plan on not going in as hard and then you just couldn't help yourself? Or were you? I'm back, and I'm gonna be the same. I always was. You Diana. Whatever her name was.
- [40:45]
Kristen Doute
I am. And was even, you know, season one, like, just such a different person than I was in 2019, in 2012, like, just a completely different person. So I was just gonna be exactly who I was. And I think the break, in hindsight, was, like, totally necessary. I mean, we all obviously had to deal with COVID and all of that, but, like, even my dating decisions around that time, like, I wasn't. I wasn't in a good place. Like, I wasn't dating correctly. I wasn't necessarily hanging out with all the right people. I had to, like, go through it to, like, come back out on top.
- [41:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Kristen Doute
And really, like, love myself and be ready to take on new things. Yeah. So when we started filming, I was just like, it's like.
- [41:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
It's like riding a bike. But, like, it's whatever. Whatever the analogy is. It was just like, put the mic back on. I know how to be me. Like, no one's better.
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Amanda Hirsch
I mean, you. Thank God for you. Thank God for you. I mean, you really bring it on the show. And the first season of the Valley, I mean, did you expect it to be such a hit? Because it was really, like. It was really. You know, when they announced it, I was like, okay, let's see. Obviously we have you, but a lot of newbies, and we don't always love the newbies. And then, I mean, that first season really kept everyone wanting more. Were you surprised by the perception?
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Kristen Doute
Yes, I was, because I was really nervous because we don't like the newbies. And you do need to be invested in people to care. Like me watching any reality show, docu series, or even, like, a scripted show, you know, it's like, you have to be invested in the character. You have to really care in order to give a shit. And I was really afraid that there were a lot of us and that I didn't know the way the stories were going to go, if people. If the viewers were going to be like, it's too much. There's too many people. How can I possibly care?
- [42:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
And that I didn't think it would tank by any means. Like, I knew it would do well, but I was just nervous on. On how well it would be received.
- [42:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
Going to care that much and that it may take us a few seasons to, like, you know.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
Hit it off.
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Amanda Hirsch
Well, you helped the. The stories along. I mean, with season one, there was the whole Michelle boyfriend drama season this season. There's a lot of drama between you and Janet. Where are you with Janet now? Because the finale, you called her a fan girl. You said you wanted to, like, fuck her up. It was no bueno.
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Kristen Doute
Yeah. I mean, we're in the same place. Yeah. Yeah, I'm. And the thing is we filmed the reunion early, obviously. I'm sure, as many people know. And if you don't know, we did film the reunion when Nia and I were still pregnant. And looking back now that I've been able to really watch the episodes because we were given all the episodes ahead of time. But you're like cramming, like cramming for your final. It's like, here's 15 episodes in two weeks and you don't have time to digest everything. And then also watching the after shows now, there's so much more that I would have said at that reunion and some things I would take back. And you'll know exactly what's what when you see this reunion in accordance to. Specifically to Janet.
- [44:17]
Amanda Hirsch
What's the deal with her, though, Kristen? You used to be friends. Like, you used to literally be best friends. Did this all flip because of what we're seeing on the show or did this. Did other shit happen that make you, like, distance yourself from her?
- [44:34]
Kristen Doute
I don't know if I really knew Janet ever or if she's just changed. Like, I don't know if like she was showing me someone that she's really not and this is the real Janet, you know, or vice versa, I'm not sure. But it was when we started filming season one. I'm like, who are you? This is such a different person than the person that I was friends with on so many levels. Not even just like the drama of it all. Because she is dramatic and she is. She is attention seeking and. But not in a way that irks you. It's like in a way this very like, self admittedly and kind of like, you know, it's almost cute in a way because she's like honest about it.
- [45:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Kristen Doute
This nastiness, the attacking the holier than thou. And mostly, and I've said this a million times, but this like attempt to be people that I was friends with and that I filmed on past my past show with. It's like, you're not Stasi, you're not.
- [45:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Lala, you're not like she. She was trying to be like OG Vanderpump.
- [45:41]
Kristen Doute
Absolutely. Like in one way, we weren't around during that time. That's a fan. That's something that the fans came up with. Oh, why crazy Kristen? It's wild to me. Why are you calling Zach, Lego head, Lego hair. Like, that's something that the fans came up with in Reddit. It's like, it's like Lala would say.
- [46:00]
Amanda Hirsch
She'S living in the common section.
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Kristen Doute
I mean, she is literally not even pitched a tent. Like, her foundation is there. She's built like a city.
- [46:08]
Amanda Hirsch
But you called her a fan, but you knew she was a fan. Like, now. Now it's like an insult. But you all knew, like, that she was a fan of the show at the beginning and that's how she kind of became friends with Sheena and this or and that. But now it's kind of being you, like, used as a derogatory thing against her. Because. Because what?
- [46:31]
Kristen Doute
It's nothing to do with, like, actually enjoying Vanderpump Rules. I don't care. But why are you trying to, like, live vicariously through actual people's lives? And now that even when I look back, because I didn't know her as long as, let's say, Sheena knew her or maybe some other people. But now looking back, like, how many times she was actually on Vanderpump Rules, like in the background doing this or doing that. And I'm like, she really was trying to just be on the show, but it worked.
- [47:01]
Amanda Hirsch
She got on the Valley. It works, right?
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Kristen Doute
Sort of fine. It's just the level of, like, not being authentic and trying to be someone that she's not trying to be versions of people that I've been friends with and. And really just being a fake. Like, she's an is.
- [47:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Sounds like the cameras turned on and she was like a different person.
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Kristen Doute
Yeah. And that's why I'm saying, like, maybe it is that the person that I was friends with back then didn't exist. That was the person she showed me. And this is really who she is. I don't know. All I know is the person I see right now is not someone that I'm interested in.
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Amanda Hirsch
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Kristen Doute
They didn't have to earn it. They're just. They're great people. They're such good people, and they are so authentic. Authentically who they are.
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Amanda Hirsch
They.
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Kristen Doute
They ride in their own way, like, as friends to Luke and I, like, just because they're not gonna, like, go knocking, you know, like, slamming doors down and, like, telling people they're gonna beat them up. But, I mean, you see the way Nia is with me, sort of like just helping me along my fertility journey, for example. Like, Nia has been. I mean, I don't know how I would have gotten through my pregnancy without her. And I didn't know for the first three months that she was pregnant. And so I was calling and complaining to her every day of my first trimester, crying, like, just screaming how much I hate it. Like, how miserable I am while she's literally pregnant a week apart from me the whole entire time. Oh, wow. She's been there for me every step of the way since we really, like, probably a year into us becoming friends. It was just so natural. And she doesn't care that I have a sailor mouth and that Luke and I aren't, you know, exactly like them. But we've spent time with family. It's just they're so deserving of people, of someone to stand up for them in. In a crazy, messy crew.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, but what do you think, Kristen? Because you said they're so authentic, but, like, all the accusations being thrown at them are the opposite Everyone is kind of saying that they try to pretend to be perfect. I mean, Jack's in that finale. I don't know what he's projecting onto them, but he. Well, there was also the episode where Britney was pissed that, you know, that Nia was saying that Danny was just sleeping, but he was actually drunk. It does seem like they've had moments with people saying, you're not being completely honest. You're trying to seem perfect. Are you saying that there is none of that with them? You think they are who they are in the, like, completely authentically.
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Kristen Doute
Absolutely. And I think it is so healthy for their marriage and something that I strive to have with Luke, something I look up to so much that in private, trust me, they call each other out just because they're not slamming each other or Nia's not, you know, on the show. Like, Nia's not insulting Danny in front of people in front of other people. Like, that would be batshit. That's like every relationship I've had pre Luke. And you've seen on the Valley that, like, when Luke and I, even though there's cameras up with Luke and I are at home on the couch, he's not easy on me, but he will ride for me in front of anyone.
- [54:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Else but Kristen in that finale when everything gets heated, I don't know if you ended up watching him and everything gets heated at the restaurant, at the Michelle's party, like, Neo was like, they're cameras. They're cameras. So it even feels like that kind of became part of their story too. Like, worried about cameras, worried about coming off, not as good. You know what I mean?
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Kristen Doute
It's more like Nia with, like, their families, like, this isn't something they pictured themselves doing. There's a lot of cussing. There's a lot of like. Like just not the way that they are normally. Like, you see that Nia doesn't really drink that often, if at all. It's Danny. Same thing, truly. It's what drove me crazy about the whole. The drinking thing, pantry thing. Like, the a dad of three toddlers can't get drunk.
- [55:49]
Amanda Hirsch
And what do you think that was? I mean, watching Janet back, trying to insinuate that he has. So what was that? Does she have something out for them? Was she trying to create a storyline? Like, what was she doing?
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Kristen Doute
I think she was trying to create a storyline. What do we know about Janet and Jason and their family?
- [56:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Absolutely nothing. So she was trying to pull like, a lala, where Lala, like, talks about other people. So she can keep her private. That feels like the. The vibe. You would not let her say the sa. Word to you about Danny. You were about to trip down those fucking stairs on the boat. You were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You did not want her to even start to put that out there.
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Kristen Doute
No. Like, who does she think she is? Like, you can't. You can't just, like, pop on national television with millions of viewers and start. You want to talk about slander? You want to talk about defamation? Wife of a. Of a workman's comp. L. You can't just say that about someone.
- [56:59]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. That is kind of wild. I mean, even.
- [57:02]
Kristen Doute
It was not up to her. It was like she weaponized Jasmine and Melissa's situation for storyline, like, for clout.
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Amanda Hirsch
Danny and Nia at that party, hear Jax. I mean, Jax goes over to Danny and starts laying into him about the drinking. What was that?
- [57:23]
Kristen Doute
Dude? I mean, even think about the episode prior when the guys are at Jax's, like, rooftop at his or whatever, and he's telling this story. Like, I started feeling crazy. It was like he was literally making the story up. He's like, nia called me five times and screamed at me and Danny this. And Danny, you know, calls me and tells me my. My marriage isn't perfect and how to fix my marriage. And it's like, in what world did any of that happen?
- [57:55]
Amanda Hirsch
He also said that Danny got kicked out of his bar a few times and was feeling up girls. What? That's made up Kristen?
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Kristen Doute
Yes, of course. And his partners were, like, about to. They weren't worried about getting sued. Trust me, I know his partners.
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Amanda Hirsch
No, wait, so none of. So Danny doesn't even remotely have a drinking. Like, not even. I'm not saying drinking problem, but, like, he doesn't get black. He's never been kicked out of Jax's bar. I mean, what. What is all this?
- [58:21]
Kristen Doute
No, it's. It's all. It's all, like, you obviously know Danny has done things. It's on the show. I don't need to reiterate. Like, he's done some things he wasn't proud of. He had to handle that with Jasmine and Melissa. But think about the boat scene where Janet's like. And they even did this on the after show. And Janet was like, well, Jason said X, Y and Z. And Jason said, no, I didn't say that. I never said that. He's like, brittany and Jared said it, and Brittany said, why did say that? So Janet said it. So Janet, it's all coming Back to Janet making this up and pinning it on other people.
- [58:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you feel bad that she had to, like, people think she, like, fled the country. There was like, a TMZ thing being like, she fled the country. She left the. She, like, went private on Instagram. Like, she was getting, I think, a lot of hate. Was there any part of you that felt bad for her? I think maybe not by your face.
- [59:18]
Kristen Doute
I dealt with it for, like, a decade. This is the first year I'm being nice to me. And also, she did this video that someone sent me when she was in Switzerland. I think it was with her family. And she was like, if you want to hear it from my mouth, rather than these articles coming out, you know, click the link for my podcast. Why did you do an interview with Page Six then? That's what everyone's talking about. No one's making up things about. About any of this. You literally did an interview with Page Six that quotes you.
- [59:46]
Amanda Hirsch
So what is anybody good with her? I mean, is it hard to keep being friends with Britney even though she's good with her?
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Kristen Doute
It's not hard to. Keeping friends with Brittany. No, I mean, I. Brittany and I have stuff to deal with. Brittany called me yesterday, really upset about the scene at Lala's house where they.
- [60:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Show Lala Britney's friend. Does that kill you when you see that? Like, is it wild the way that Laa. It says Britney's friend on the bottom.
- [60:19]
Kristen Doute
Oh, yeah, her banner.
- [60:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, her banner. Exactly.
- [60:23]
Kristen Doute
Gina's banner has changed so many times this year, too. It's so good. But there's this scene. Yeah. Where they're all at Lala's house, and Janet says, like, I hope she thinks of me whenever she looks at her engagement ring.
- [60:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
- [60:36]
Kristen Doute
Talk to. And then they all start cracking up. And Brittany called me and she was like, I just watched the scene. There's no way that I cracked up about that. And I absolutely believe her. I mean, I've said it very publicly on the show, off the show. I don't think Britney rides for me the way that she rides for Janet. I'm tired of hearing from Brittany, from Sheena, from a lot of my friends. Like, Kristen, you're just so strong. We don't think you need us. Like, that's not the point.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Kristen Doute
But do I think Britney would act like that over something like that? No, I don't.
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Amanda Hirsch
Also, it wasn't funny, so.
- [61:11]
Kristen Doute
No.
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Amanda Hirsch
Also, it's not a funny joke. So maybe that's why recently Nick Vial said about the Valley to Page Six that everyone's a bunch of losers. However, he did say, aside from Kristen and Luke, did that make you. How did that make you feel? You're like, were you like, what the fuck? Were you happy?
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Kristen Doute
He. I was like, my dudes, thank you. I'm sorry I'm not standing up for the rest of you. For the last 12, 13 years, no one's ever been nice about me. So stand up for yourselves. You'll be fine.
- [61:44]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, you can really say that, though, because you've been through so much with the show that you're like, I've been through that.
- [61:51]
Kristen Doute
Like, I'm not saying everyone or I. Or I, like, agree with them. I'm just like, thank you, Nick. Appreciate it.
- [61:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Speaking of, you were saying Sheena before with the banner, which she just exposed that Brock cheated on her in her new book. Have you heard about this rumor before? You have? You haven't?
- [62:11]
Kristen Doute
No. I had no idea. And a lot of our friends, like, Zach called me. He's like, you've never heard this ever? Like, nope, Absolutely not. I mean, that sucks. That's really, really sad. The thing is, I don't understand. I'm not. I'm not, like, accusing anything. I'm not throwing that out there, but it's like, if you and your husband got over this years ago, why now?
- [62:33]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, like, why? I would answer for her. She wrote a book, and she felt like that needed to be said as part of her story. What do you think? Why now?
- [62:43]
Kristen Doute
It feels. I don't know. I mean, I'm. I'm not her, but I'm putting myself in that. In her position. If it were Luke and I, I. I cannot imagine being like, well, we've kept this. We've kept this between us, and we've worked on our marriage, but now I'm just gonna, like, throw you under the bus. Like, the bus with, like, giant tires that have fucking spikes on them. Just drag you down the street, like. And trust me, I do not like bra. I don't like him.
- [63:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, you don't like him?
- [63:16]
Kristen Doute
No, he's not my cup of tea. Like, we were friends. Just like, no. And I really don't like that he did this to her. Like, she didn't. Doesn't deserve that. And when she was pregnant, I mean, so I have so many emotions about it. I just am like, why now? Like, people. You're a public figure. You film on the Valley. People are going to judge. Are you ready and willing to talk about this for years and years to come?
- [63:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Now, would you want her to be a permanent fixture on the Valley.
- [63:45]
Kristen Doute
I'm. I. I was definitely like against it in the last couple of years past, like her lala. But I feel like I've just, like, thrown my hands up. So if. If that is what it's going to be, then I'm very open to it. And honestly, it. Maybe it'll be for the better that as long as there's authenticity on their side, I think it could be really good for the show.
- [64:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Kristen Doute
I'm worried because of what I've watched as a viewer on the last couple of seasons of Vanderpump. I felt like there was a lot of celebrity and I've said this before, like, celebrity about them. And even Sheena coming out and saying that the finale of whatever season of Vanderpump, they scripted it like, that shit's not gonna fly on the Valley. Not with me. But if they can be both be. Or Sheena especially, like, just be super authentic, I think it can. It could be really good for the show because there's a lot of history there.
- [64:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, that's what. So I think that that's when I asked you the Valley. You know why how it was so good in the first season. I think it's because it was so authentic. I mean, all you need to know is two marriages got fudged up that first season. I mean, need you no more. Need you no more. Speaking of those two. One of those marriages. Jax, you did say you would address his leaving the show. What do you have to say about that?
- [65:03]
Kristen Doute
I'm stoked. Like, it is the best thing. It is absolutely the best thing for him and for the show, really. I do another season of. Of jax. Like round 12. I can't do it. None of us can. Like, first and foremost, Britney. Britney needs to actually move on with her life.
- [65:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [65:22]
Kristen Doute
As best and for herself and for Cruise and filming with him one more time. It was like, what a circus. I mean.
- [65:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Especially. Sorry. No, especially after, you know, the altercation between them that got physical and the fact that the. She's scared to. It seems like she's uncomfortable being around him.
- [65:46]
Kristen Doute
Yeah. 100 but. And she's not the only one. And there you have a couple of Jack's apologists on our cast and otherwise no one wants to be around.
- [65:54]
Amanda Hirsch
So are you, like, done with him? Like, you won't speak with him anymore?
- [65:59]
Kristen Doute
No, not at all.
- [66:00]
Amanda Hirsch
I think he's gonna change his ways, Kristen.
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Kristen Doute
I hope so. I don't know. I really, really hope so. I think I've said the whole last year that, like, the only thing I think that was going to really, like, rip the rug out from underneath him is if he lost his job or if he left the show because it's fame and it's money and those are the things that drive Jax Taylor. So I think that the best thing for him is to just take a break.
- [66:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [66:29]
Kristen Doute
Like, truly go. Go into a facility for more than a month.
- [66:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [66:34]
Kristen Doute
Like, really just pump the brakes because they're. I think that they'll give him, honestly, like, I, I would guess that they would give him an in again if he actually proved that something changed in the next year. But it's going to take more than 30 days. It's going to take a year.
- [66:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Kristen, thank you for coming on. It's so good to see you. You have that new mama glow about you.
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Kristen Doute
Thank you.
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Amanda Hirsch
And I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.
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