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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Whoa. I tried doing my intro before I had lunch, and I sounded like I was dying, so I'm recording it again, which I just. I like being all natural. But honestly, you guys would have been just worried about me. You've been like, are you okay? And sometimes that just shows you that I'm not the girl that can skip a lunch. I'm not the girl that can be an hour late to lunch because her blood sugar crashes and she sounds like she's on the live. Like, it is concerning for everybody. Anyway, happy Tuesday, my loves. Welcome back to a new episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and today we have a really, really fun guess we have the Internet's dot. Okay, it's Kyle McLaughlin. Like, I don't know if you guys have seen Kyle around lately, but he is all the rage, as Gen Z would say. And as he would say, because he's practically Gen Z. He. He has a new podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where he talks to Gen Z types and tries to, like, explore their creative process and learn more about them. He's going viral on TikTok. He's doing all the trends. Okay, but don't you forget that he is Kyle McLaughlin, aka Trey McDougal from Sex in the City that you know and love him from Desperate Housewives, from Twin Peaks, from Portlandia, from, like, so many things. So many things. He's our little cutie patootie. He's Kyle McLaughlin, and he's here to talk all the things. No, I'm obsessed. You guys are going to fall in love with him. Don't say I didn't tell you so. So enjoy my convo with Kyle MacLachlan.
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I look like a dark brown blob, but that's okay.
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What? The shirt.
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Yes. With the sweater looks. I look. Why?
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I think it looks so good.
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Preppy. I'm such a preppy.
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You are prepping. It's giving Trey. It's giving Trey.
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It's giving Trey.
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The Internet's dad is here.
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I am. Well, that. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. I think I'm getting comfortable with that monitor.
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It's been a moment.
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Yes, it has.
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It's been a Moment.
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Yes, it has.
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How is this feeling for you? I mean, we all know you and love you for years. Right. Thank you. You've been on iconic TV shows.
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Very fortunate. Yeah.
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You've done huge stuff.
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Yeah.
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Did we expect you to take TikTok by storm?
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I did not, but I'm working with a wonderful team. They expected it.
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Which, if you could win, like, prizes for, like, social media teams, they would.
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Oh, they would be dominated. They would sweep the category. Absolutely. They're wonderful. Well, they're. They're. They're so tapped into what's happening on. In social, and they are also. They communicate to me these different ideas in such a lovely way, and I'm kind of up for anything. I'm letting the freak flag fly a little bit, and I'm getting more comfortable with the idea. I'm basically a silly person at heart.
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Yeah.
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Monty Python is right in my wheelhouse. So I'm up for, like, just doing unusual things.
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Did people not know that you were silly until now?
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I don't know. They may have, but I rarely let it out.
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You really let it out.
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Yeah. And for this, I. There's no stopping us.
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But what. Okay. So, I mean, the team, we could give credit all day, but something in you started this, like, wanted to put yourself out there, more online. Get in it. What. What was that decision?
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I think it was a combination of things, recognizing the. The creative side of things. How? Starting really with Twitter, back with. Back in the day when you had a limitation on what you could say, certain number of characters. And I really. I love the idea that you had to create something within a confined space. Right. So that was the start. And then I just. I did enjoy. Love. I love posting. It's. It's. It's really fun to share, but it. It went up a few notches right around the time when I did the podcast Varnum Town with Josh Davis. So his story, we did a kind of. It's like, not a mystery necessarily, but just a story. An unusual story about a small town in North Carolina that had some things going on, like. Like that involved a lot of drugs in Pablo Escobar. A very unusual story. And to promote that, we started doing just kind of some funny. I don't know, just images and situations. And the Internet was like, what is this? We like this. And so I said, we should just keep going with this. And Nora and Ben, who are in the house today, are largely responsible for the success of that. They're just incredibly creative.
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And now do you feel like you're like you are in on it. Like you're tapped in. You know what's up. Like, you know the trends before.
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Like I, they bring the trends and I, I pay attention, but I feel like you never really know what's happening, which is kind of great. You kind of have to just feel a vibration and then go with it.
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Yeah.
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And it's always got my crazy stamp of weirdness on it. And so you just do it and then you just kind of hope that you've been entertaining, you know, and that people will enjoy it.
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Well, it's been entertaining. It's been so fun.
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That's Amanda. That's sweet.
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Did this align with the podcast coming out? The what are we even. What are we even doing? Is the name of the pod.
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Yeah.
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So you interview like Gen Z types.
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Yep. Young millennials.
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Yep, Young millennials. So it's all tapped into the same kind of vibe. We're keeping up.
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Yes, we're keeping up. Yeah, keeping up. And also people that I find particularly interesting because of the, what they're doing creatively, that there's more than meets the eye, I think. And we run the gamut. Actors, musicians, comedians, podcast hosts, et cetera. And we just, I do a deep dive into their, I just, their creative process, basically. That's what I'm most curious about. How they started, what drives them, their passions, how they use social, how they promote themselves and their brand and what else they're interested in doing. And I learn every time, just whomever I'm interviewing, it's a process for me to learn about what's coming. I know everything about my heroes and my mentors, you know, Marlon Brando and James Dean. These are people I grew up with as an actor, admiring and wanting to know as much as I could about, but I knew very little about what was coming sort of behind me, I guess. And I said, well, this is not right. And you add to that the fact that I have a 17 year old son and he's living in a completely different world than my world and I'm interested in it. I don't want to intrude, but I'm curious. More curious, I think, than my parents were about my generation. And I said, I'm not going to do that. I'm definitely going to look back and see what is happening.
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What does he think about all this?
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He tolerates me.
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Is he like, dad, stop.
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No, he's not. He's actually pretty cool. I think he gets that I, that I enjoy this and I'm not too cringy to him. You know.
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Oh, good.
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And he's pretty. Yeah, he's very tolerant.
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Yeah. Kids, there is a thing where they always find their parents cringy.
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Oh, yeah. And he should. And he does.
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At a certain age, I feel like they, like, look up to you, admire you.
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Yeah, we're past that.
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You're past that?
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Maybe not quite, because we. We try to be. We're parents first, but we try to also be cool and understanding. And I think both my wife and I remember what it was like, which I feel like when I was growing up, my parents decided not to remember what it was like, or at least they didn't share their time at 17 or 16 or wherever. And we make it a point to say, yeah, when I was 17, I felt this, and this killed me. And this was. I learned this. Take it for what you will. But I think, you know, we open the communication.
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Is he gonna participate in any videos with you, you think?
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Oh, probably. Yeah.
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You'll probably.
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Yeah, he's up for it, too.
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He's up for it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Cause you borrowed his clothes for some video.
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Yeah, the Lord. Yeah, I did. He is so creative. I'm gonna sing my son's praises. He loves to sew. We got him a sewing machine for his birthday. And he creates his own stuff. So, you know, the styles are ever changing in high school, but they're very particular, Very, very specific at any given point in time. Right. So he would. He goes thrifting. He gets. He'll buy pants and fabric and he'll put them together and. But he. Yeah, he loves to. He sort of designs his own stuff and he makes clothes for some of his friends as well.
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Well, that's so cool.
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Yeah, he's really. Any. Really. I mean, he's not taught, not trained. There's all sorts of. You know, the fabric doesn't quite. But I think that's also part of the look.
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So you think he's gonna go the.
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Creative route some way?
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Yeah, some way.
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Yeah. My wife, on the other hand's, a businesswoman. And so there's also the idea of an entrepreneurial business kind of vibe there too. So whatever's gonna happen, it's gonna be interesting whatever he does.
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So you said you wanna learn more about the Gen Z process. Like, what have you learned that's like the different. So different than, like, yours?
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Well, I think the. It's not that it's. This isn't necessarily different, but I think the expectation is that they are slackers, they don't work, you know, that they, you know, and that's not the case at all. I think they're more comfortable with chaos, and I think they. They can ride that. That river better, certainly better than I could at that age. Cause it's kind of what's swirling around, you know. But I do feel like everyone I've.
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Spoken with, you've had Kaia Gerber.
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Kaia Gerber, Caleb Herron, Benny Skinner.
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Right. And some upcoming fun ones too. Right?
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Yeah. And up and comers as well. And I got more coming. It's interesting, as you know, in the podcast world, you have to sort of stay ahead of the schedule, you know, And I'm like, okay, let's go. So we have, you know, we have. So we have. We've recorded a 16 or 17 episodes so far.
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No, that's a lot. You're good. You're banked.
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We're banked. That is the word.
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Yeah.
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So faking them. Yeah. Yeah. So feeling good about that and loving the process. I love the. I love learning. I love the research and do they.
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Know you like the Gen Z? Gen Z, yeah, they do, yeah. Like, do you ask them, like, interesting. Like, where from? What have they watched?
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They usually. They usually say, I loved you in. Is it Twin Peaks, you know, or Sex in the City.
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Right.
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Desperate Housewives, How I Met your mother. Another one. Right, right. So there are these points of reference.
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Or overcompensating, and that's a new one.
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Currently overcompens. Exactly. With Benny and everybody playing the dad. But it's the work ethic, I think that I was like, oh, yes. Doing what I do now with this. I mean, it takes a lot of work, a lot of time. You know, there's a lot of prep that goes into what we do. And I'm like, this is a job to have that Internet presence like that and do social and really do it and really present yourself consistently, authentically. And the other thing that's interesting is that that is only a part of who they are and what they want to do. There's another. There are other worlds that they want to take on. You know, whether, like Noah wants to be Noah Beck once. He's obviously strong presence on social. Acting is something that he's been interested in and curious about, and so he's starting to move in that direction. So we spoke on the podcast a bit about that and my experience, and he shared some of his experience, you know, so it's. It's a back and forth.
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And the other thing that's maybe misunderstood about them as opposed to, you know, you and your career and everything is. It may look from the outside in like they got it quicker. Right. Like they got the success quicker. They came up quicker.
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Right.
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Whereas a lot of actors have like, you know, years until they get their big break. And did you feel like in your conversations that's something that comes up?
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I mean, I think there's some validity to that because the impact is. I mean, it's part of the nature of the beast, right. With social. Because you're hitting. It's like if you're on a hit TV show, suddenly, boom, you know, it's out in front of everybody all at once. I think the challenge is the sustaining, you know, and the consistency. But there is definitely, you know, it's one of those things where obviously we never. We didn't have that access of presenting yourself in a way that is true to who you are and how you want to be received in the world. We were structured because it was the role you did and then the publicity you did around that and the expectation. It was a certain. You had to kind of toe a certain line. The expectation was there. And I feel like today it's like, well, you can do anything, really.
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Yeah.
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And present yourself any way you want and in a number of different ways in a number of different arenas.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's just that to me is also part of the challenge because it's so open ended. It's so like, what. How do I want to present myself to this world? And if I change and I go in different directions, am I. Is it going to be accepted? Will it? You know, it's all. You have to. You really have to be true to yourself, I think.
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Well, your journey has been accepted. People accepted you as the new TikTok star now podcaster, who would be your dream guest. Like in that world of the Gen Z young millennials.
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Oh, man. Well, you know, Timothy and I, Timothee Chalamet and I share this role that I did in Dune in 1983, 84 and he did more recently and it would be fun to have him on. I feel like it would be. We'd be just be talking about one thing and just about the experience of working in the film Dune and creating the role of Paul and what that experience was.
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That would be so cool.
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I would really enjoy that.
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Are you working on that?
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Well, it's. Well, we'll see. We're working on it right now. We're working on it. But I did work with him on a. We did a little photo shoot together and so I Got to meet him a little bit. Spent a little bit of time together, and. And there was. There was just a good connection, you know, And I really respect him as an actor, and. And he's a very interesting person, so.
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Yeah. And he's very like. Like, when he won one of the awards that he won, he said he is here to make it big.
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Oh, yeah. Like, he was right out in front with it.
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Yeah.
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And said he aspires to that, you know.
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Right.
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And. And I. I think. I don't know of an actor who wouldn't, deep down, feel that, say that you want to, you know, you want to swim with the best, you want to be your best, you want to do your best. That's what we all aspire to. And he just laid it out there.
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He laid it out there.
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That's impressive.
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Another TikTok you did that blew up was you and Kristin Davis.
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Yeah.
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AKA Charlotte York, because you went on her pod as well.
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I did.
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You did. What episode did she make you react?
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We talked about the first one that we. When we first met.
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Really? Oh, that's special.
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But we touched on a few. We touched on that one. We touched on. We touched on the wedding episode. We touched on the kind of. The breakup one. I told the funny story about how I was on the tennis court at night playing tennis, and I was in my boxer shorts and my tennis shoes. You know, I was out as if I'd left bed, and I was, like, trying to get through this whole thing. And I remember they were like the. The ladies who do all the makeup and stuff came out, and they had this baby oil, and they're, like, rubbing it all over my chest. And I said, I think this is a little excessive. And they were like, oh, no, it's not. They were so, so happy. And I was like, I'm a little uncomfortable. Okay.
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Well, she. I went on her podcast, too.
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Oh, cool.
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And we recapped the Are we Sluts? Episode, which you weren't in, but she had a sex scene that we were talking about because somebody. The guy was yelling at her, like, obscenities, like, fuck you fucking big. She. Fucking horror.
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Yeah.
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Did you watch all of the series?
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Like, no.
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No, I didn't.
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No, no, I watch our stuff, but I was. Yeah, I'm bad.
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You're. You don't watch your own stuff or you.
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I do a little bit. I don't. I don't really. I'm sort of fibbing. I. I'll. The joy for me is in the doing, and I might check it out and just say it looks like it's working. Okay.
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Also, you're not the target audience really, for Sex and the City.
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No, you're right.
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Yeah. So it's okay.
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Yeah. But I am interested in the work.
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Yeah.
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And I'm interested in the writing because I think the writing on the show is brilliant.
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Well, yeah, that's what we were talking about. Which I'm sure you discussed too. Like how it, you know, is still relevant.
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Yeah.
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Like you could watch an episode. It's about dating, it's about relationships. And not much has changed in that.
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Yeah.
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In that realm.
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Not in that. Those relationships. I think. I think people are also curious about what it was like in the 90s and what new York was like and what kind of a time that as.
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I've been calling each other on like office phones and like, stuff like that.
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You know, so different.
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Right now, Neutral is offering my listeners $10 off your first month subscription, plus free shipping. When you go to neutrful.com and use promo code, not skinny10. That's neutrful.com and the promo code is not skinny10. And we're back. Well, like, we were talking about filming the, the sex scenes and I, I had like, guests recently who had talked about that and they talked about, like, how they, you know, how actors today are talking more about everything really. Like, we're getting more of an inside kind of, kind of an open window into the process, which I don't know if it's good or bad.
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Right.
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Like.
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Right.
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Talking about intimacy coordinators and talking about how it's all technical and talking about, like, do you feel like that ruins the allure at all of, like, movies and tv?
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There's a genuine, there's genuinely a curiosity about how the sausage is made, I think. And that's always been there. But I feel like, yeah, I think recently there's, there's been more of. I don't know, it feels like, yeah, some of those doors or barriers or whatever sort of crumbled a little bit. And people are more comfortable talking about the process. And, you know, I think part of it is also sort of the social thing. People are letting people in to, you know, intimate situations. Much closer, much closer, I think, than what television was. Cause that was about as close as you could get. I mean, you're doing a show and you're inside someone's house, and you're in their living room or their bedroom or their kitchen or wherever it is on the television. So you're kind of part of the family. We're now in a different age. It's much, much, much more intimate, I think. So there's. Maybe we've relaxed a little bit. I sort of feel like I'm always a pendulum swinging kind of. You know, it'll swing one way and then it'll swing back the other way. We may go back to a time when it's like, no, let's be a little more mysterious, a little more.
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Yeah, you don't need to tell us that. Like, it was all, you know, choreographed and you hate each other and let us think that you're, like, in love and actually. But what was it like back then, getting that Sex and City role, playing Trey?
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Oh, God. Well, it was a surprise. So they came. They reached out. Michael Patrick King and Jenny Bix. I met with them. I was in a point in my career when I was looking for. I'd been playing kind of the offbeat, eccentric, unusual. You think of movies like Blue Velvet and shows like Twin Peaks. And so I was playing these eccentric characters, and I said, I really would like to play, you know, someone who's a little more middle of the road, mainstream, more recognizable as a leading man. And the offer came in to, you know, work on the show, to play opposite Kristen Davis, of course. And he was Upper east side and heart surgeon and athletic and played tennis and, you know, and I was like, in my mind, I was kind of going, oh, wow. This. This is what we've been talking about. I mean, it's Upper east side, but I.
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That.
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It's me, you know, that makes sense. That makes sense. I'm athletic. Maybe there'll be some scene. We'll shoot some stuff in the park, you know, throwing the football around, you know, And I had this whole thing that I had built up in my mind, right? And then I went to meet them, and they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of that, you know. And of course, he's impotent, and he's got a very close relationship with his mother. And I was like, damn, you remember that old Pacino? They pulled me back in.
- [25:58]
A
Yeah. Wait, so they told you that off the bat, so you knew that where. That's where the story was headed.
- [26:02]
B
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I was like. I was like, okay. I said, you know, it's such a great show. The writing was so good. And I was like, I'm in.
- [26:09]
A
You know, we're in what, like, two?
- [26:12]
B
Well, I was supposed to be in just a few episodes initially, and then they just kind of. They kept me around. So I was in that first season, and then the second season, I think it was season three and four.
- [26:24]
A
I think I was in season three and four.
- [26:26]
B
Right. And then I'm never quite sure.
- [26:29]
A
And then leaving that show, was there any.
- [26:33]
B
I think that he just kind of run. I mean, I. You know, we, the men there, serve the story for the women.
- [26:39]
A
Right.
- [26:40]
B
So, you know, going in, what's gonna happen? I was very lucky to have survived as long as I did.
- [26:46]
A
Yeah.
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B
And I felt like, you know, while there were a lot of sort of, you know, jokes, you know, about my situation, you know, about the two of us and how we were dealing with.
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A
Each other, he was a good guy.
- [26:58]
B
There were also some true moments. And we sort of. We pushed. We leaned into those. Cause I said, you know, this is a situation that, you know, guys, sometimes it happens, you know, and so how can we explore it with humor, but also with a little understanding? And I felt like we did that. But ultimately, you realize that you have to go at some point. You know, I. I may have overstayed my welcome a little bit, but they finally wrote this episode about the cardboard baby. And I was just like, oh, boy. Okay. I was like, I don't. I don't really understand. I don't. Honestly. I was like, what? You know, I said, is it funny? It was one of those kind of. And they said, oh, no, it's hilarious. I was like, okay. Cause I felt it was very disingenuous of him, you know, And I thought. But I could also see that he was trying to do something that he thought was funny. So, you know, he sort of. He lost the plot a little bit.
- [27:49]
A
Well, when Kristen was telling me about that. And I love learning more about the behind the scenes, how you guys used to do table reads altogether and wait for the laughs and see, and if it wasn't funny, it would get cut.
- [28:00]
B
Yeah, that's the. Yeah, that's the.
- [28:01]
A
And how attached you get to it. Like, she had her own stories, but yours, like, you know, you had your thoughts and opinions on Trey bringing the cardboard baby.
- [28:10]
B
Yeah.
- [28:11]
A
And you made your voice heard, but sometimes it just doesn't.
- [28:14]
B
No, they're like, okay, thanks. Enough. There were other times that I sort of put my foot down on some things. I was like, this is. No. And they were like, okay.
- [28:22]
A
Yeah.
- [28:23]
B
The cardboard baby thing, it wasn't that I was. Didn't want to do it. I just said, I need to understand where it's coming from. And they kind of explained it, and I said, I don't necessarily agree, but I get it. And I also realized, you know, they got to move her on to the.
- [28:35]
A
Next story, you know, because that was the breaking point. The cardboard baby.
- [28:39]
B
Yep.
- [28:40]
A
Yeah.
- [28:40]
B
Yeah.
- [28:41]
A
That's how they did it. That's how you left. Did you ever feel, like, within just like that? Did they talk to you?
- [28:49]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [28:49]
A
Oh, they did?
- [28:50]
B
Yeah. Yeah, they did. And I spoke about it a little bit with Kristen, and I said, you know, I. They had an idea, and I thought it was not terrible, not worthy, really, of the relationship that we had established and what we'd gone through. So I said, I'd love to, but can we. Let's have a little more to it, you know, if. If we're going to revisit the two of them. And they're like, no, we really see it this way.
- [29:13]
A
I was like, okay, so you didn't. Any regrets there? No. Wow.
- [29:18]
B
I have such fond memories of the original. Original? Yeah. I mean, it was really special. And honestly, you know, when you get a script, each episode, you get a script, you open it with some trepidation because you don't know, am I wearing clothes in this one or not gonna wear clothes? Am I having an emotional breakdown? I don't know what's coming. But the writing was always great. Yeah, always great.
- [29:40]
A
The writing was great, and it sounded like you guys had a really good time there. So we were talking about the mints. Like, she said there were, like, mints always. Because you guys had a lot of, like, intimate scenes, right?
- [29:51]
B
Yeah, we did. Yeah.
- [29:53]
A
So there were, like, mints for everybody to take. And she told this story. Actually, I don't know when hers is coming about. But you told this story. She said that you were always super respectful. You took the mints up the wazoo. And she said Chris Noth was, like, eating, like, onions and peppers and burgers before the shoot. Did you know about that guy?
- [30:11]
B
Did not know about that.
- [30:12]
A
Oh, yeah, that was.
- [30:13]
B
Well, we never saw. You know, my scenes were always with Kristen, you know. So you come into work, There was.
- [30:19]
A
Never a double date?
- [30:20]
B
No, no.
- [30:22]
A
Occasionally we.
- [30:23]
B
The group would get together and they would include the men, but so rarely, it's like, in one. Only one or two shots, I think, as I recall. So I never saw the guys.
- [30:31]
A
You never know.
- [30:32]
B
I mean, I would occasionally see Corbett walking through the hall with a pink bathrobe and pink fuzzy slippers on. Really? You know, it's that kind of stuff. He's like, yeah, I'm just going to go shoot. Just, you know, I'm like, well, good. Good luck. You know, it's one of those. But rarely.
- [30:45]
A
What a time.
- [30:46]
B
Yeah.
- [30:46]
A
And that was filmed here in New York.
- [30:48]
B
Yeah. Long Island City, Silver Cup.
- [30:51]
A
Yeah.
- [30:52]
B
And then great locations. I mean, that was the funnest thing. Yeah.
- [30:55]
A
To be in New York at that time.
- [30:57]
B
Yeah. And be filming outside.
- [30:58]
A
And so how long after that did you get Desperate Housewives?
- [31:03]
B
Not long.
- [31:04]
A
Not long, right?
- [31:05]
B
Yeah, not long. I think it followed pretty quickly. I don't remember exactly.
- [31:09]
A
But you were on there for, like.
- [31:11]
B
I was on for six. Six seasons.
- [31:13]
A
Six years, yeah.
- [31:14]
B
Which. It was only supposed to be one.
- [31:16]
A
Wow.
- [31:17]
B
Yeah.
- [31:17]
A
So was your son and wife at the time?
- [31:20]
B
Well, so he was born in la, and then when he was two or three, we. We decided we'd come back because we have a place here in New York. We'd come back to New York and he would go to school in New York.
- [31:30]
A
Oh, you guys were very polite plans.
- [31:32]
B
Yeah, yeah. Now we were. We were thinking through my wife's very flat. So we were just thinking this. This could work. So we started that. But, you know, it was a thing where. And there was travel. But it wasn't bad because they would usually put all my stuff at one time and then I could come in and work for a couple days and then go back. So it. Well, while it was. I mean, it wasn't inconvenient, really, but, you know, it was a trip out to LA for a couple days and then back to New York for a week or two weeks. So it wasn't bad, which is part of what you do. No, I think the reason, finally, was that they just sort of ran out of stuff for Orson to do.
- [32:04]
A
They ran out of stuff.
- [32:06]
B
They had me do some crazy stuff. As you remember, he went through many phases, our dear Orson.
- [32:11]
A
So would you do a rewatch of that?
- [32:15]
B
Yeah. Certain episodes I thought were great. Whenever Joe Keenan wrote for us, for Marcia and I, they were always really sharp and concise. And Marcia is a Juilliard grad. She was theater trained. I'm theater trained. So when you have great dialogue, you just eat it up. It's so good.
- [32:36]
A
Well, Teri Hatcher is doing a rewatch pod now.
- [32:40]
B
Oh, is she?
- [32:41]
A
Maybe she'll have you on and you could watch one of the episodes.
- [32:44]
B
Oh, my gosh, that could be fun. That would be fun.
- [32:46]
A
The girls back in the day There was always, like, stories of on set drama.
- [32:51]
B
Right.
- [32:51]
A
Were you ever part of that? Did you get the guy?
- [32:54]
B
I was in the middle of all of that.
- [32:56]
A
It was all about you. They were all.
- [32:58]
B
Yeah, me. No, no. I mean, first of all, I'm oblivious by nature.
- [33:03]
A
Yeah.
- [33:03]
B
And then again, kind of similar to the other shows, it's like, I come in, I work with Marcia.
- [33:08]
A
Right.
- [33:08]
B
We do our stuff. I go home.
- [33:10]
A
Yeah.
- [33:10]
B
You know, and then as I'm going home, you know, Doug's coming in or Jamie's coming in as a. Oh, nice to see you. It's a little bit like you clock in, you clock out.
- [33:17]
A
You clock in, you clock out.
- [33:18]
B
Yeah.
- [33:18]
A
How. I mean, now that you're talking, like, Gen Z's and. And this world.
- [33:22]
B
Yeah.
- [33:22]
A
And you look back at the times that you were on these shows that were so relevant. So in the pop culture zeitgeist, but obviously no social media, no Internet.
- [33:34]
B
Not really.
- [33:35]
A
Not really. So, like, what was happening at that time? Like, how were you?
- [33:39]
B
Well, we all went to bed and we went home. We went home and went to bed. That was what it was.
- [33:42]
A
You went to work, went home.
- [33:44]
B
Yeah.
- [33:44]
A
But, like, obviously was in the. Like I said, in the pop culture zeitgeist. But, like, where. Where was it all happening? Where was it all being talked about? Like, how different is that from today? Was there paparazzi, like, around the set? No, we're people talking about your dating lives.
- [33:59]
B
Not really. I mean, you really had to.
- [34:00]
A
You.
- [34:01]
B
You would, you know, you do an interview, really, I mean, for publication or something or on, you know, on talk show or something and talk about what was happening. But, yeah, there was really very limited access and you could control it for the most part. It was up to you whether you spoke about something or didn't or you went public with something, but it was a different world.
- [34:21]
A
And now that you compare the two. Oh, my gosh, the now and the.
- [34:24]
B
Then, it's like privacy is so difficult to have.
- [34:29]
A
Right.
- [34:30]
B
And yet it's still, I mean, honestly, working in Fallout, which is coming out soon, and they're incredibly careful about what's revealed and when what it comes out. And, you know, there's a. There's a Fort Knox kind of.
- [34:42]
A
Oh, yeah, I saw they don't give screeners for that.
- [34:45]
B
Yeah. Very, very tight. And I think. I mean, I love that actually, because it'll. It's really. It allows you to discover it, you know, and really have an experience for the fans as opposed to something leaking out or hearing stories. It's like it's so much nicer when it's like, we're going to come to this fresh. It's such a great thing.
- [35:03]
A
But then production and everyone in charge really has to be like, like on.
- [35:07]
B
Top of that lockdown.
- [35:08]
A
Because if not, then you have like, Devil Wears Prada too, where we saw so many paparazzi shots. Yeah, we know. Guest stars, you know, which again goes back to what we were talking about with, like, the mysterious versus not.
- [35:21]
B
Yeah.
- [35:21]
A
Like, don't know if I love that. Don't know if I love to know that.
- [35:24]
B
Yeah.
- [35:25]
A
You know, who did we see? Sydney Sweeney might pop in or whoever was. Was photographed outside or the outfits that are such a big deal.
- [35:33]
B
Right. So fun to see them when they reveal.
- [35:35]
A
When they reveal that on the screen, you know.
- [35:37]
B
Now we were shooting for the most part in studios with security and everything like that, so everything was pretty tight.
- [35:46]
A
And you worked with Walton Goggins on that and you kind of watched his really big moment too happen, right, with the White Lotus.
- [35:56]
B
Yeah. Yeah. What a great show. What a great performance.
- [35:58]
A
Yeah. How happy were you for him to see him?
- [36:01]
B
You know, both of us have been in the business for a while and have done things and have successful things and things that have notoriety to a certain degree or not. And so when something. All the work that he's done pays off in such a wonderful way on a show that everyone watches, I mean, that's really. You love it so much. You appreciate it so much, I think, because, I mean, the work is the work, but to have it watched and recognized and people saying, hey, great work as an actor, that's really a lovely feeling.
- [36:33]
A
So I was like, sometimes it could.
- [36:34]
B
Take years to get to it. Yeah, years and years and years.
- [36:37]
A
So you really, like, embrace it and.
- [36:39]
B
Yeah. And you're not different and the work is not different. He does, you know, he works. He's a hard work on everything you do. It's just this one happened to like, you know, it was like Twin Peaks. It happened to click like this and you never know.
- [36:55]
A
Would you feel like White Lotus is one of the dreams?
- [37:00]
B
Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. Mike White's brilliant.
- [37:02]
A
Yeah.
- [37:03]
B
And the. He creates fascinating characters, rich characters, and that really, to me is. That's why I do it.
- [37:11]
A
I could see you all being in the running for. If you watch the last season, Jason, Isaac's character. Yeah, right.
- [37:18]
B
Yeah.
- [37:18]
A
You could give that vibe.
- [37:20]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, that's nice.
- [37:22]
A
That would totally. I could totally see that happening. You're married for 23 years in Hollywood Yep. That's like 100.
- [37:29]
B
100 and how many? And.
- [37:31]
A
Yeah.
- [37:32]
B
After years.
- [37:33]
A
Right. How do you make it work?
- [37:35]
B
Oh, God, it. It's so easy. I married the most amazing person in the world. She's incredible. And I know she's listening, so I have to.
- [37:43]
A
You know she's an incredible publicist. Right?
- [37:46]
B
Well, she started.
- [37:47]
A
Okay. Yeah.
- [37:48]
B
And now she's.
- [37:49]
A
She's.
- [37:49]
B
Does. I mean, I can't even begin to explain how connected she is.
- [37:53]
A
I mean, her. She's a full pick, right?
- [37:55]
B
Yeah.
- [37:56]
A
Her agency.
- [37:57]
B
Yeah, that's her company.
- [37:57]
A
Huge.
- [37:58]
B
Yeah, huge. It's huge.
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A
Does everything.
- [38:01]
B
She. Everything. I mean, she. From producing to investing to supporting women's causes, women's issues, which are very important to her. She's just everywhere.
- [38:13]
A
How did you meet?
- [38:15]
B
We met at a chiropractor's office. So I say if I hadn't injured my back, I have bad. Bad discs. Bad discs.
- [38:25]
A
Multiple.
- [38:26]
B
Multiple bad discs. And if I hadn't been sitting there in my little traction chair sitting next to Blake Edwards, who was also in the traction room with me, and she walked past the door doorway. Like, how long does it take for someone to walk past the door frame? Right. Like a second.
- [38:39]
A
Right.
- [38:40]
B
And I caught. I saw her, and I was like, who was that? And I was sitting in my little traction chair, and then she walked back out again really quickly, and I was like, what the heck? And so I got out of my chair and I walked up just to say hello to her at the desk. And I was sort of too shy to, like, get any information away to contact her again. But I. I don't know, I just was, like, so taken with her. The next night, we were at the same party together in Los Angeles, and I saw her again, and then I didn't let her out of my sight.
- [39:10]
A
Like, you were about to ask the doctor's office to violate HIPAA and, like.
- [39:13]
B
Give you her info or what's her number?
- [39:16]
A
Wait, so you happened to see her the next night at a Hollywood party?
- [39:19]
B
Yeah.
- [39:19]
A
Because she was already in the biz and you were in the biz?
- [39:22]
B
Well, she was out. Yeah, she was out. Well, she lived in New York, but she was in la. Yeah, she was going to an event. She was here for the weekend because it was during Vanity Fair. The Vanity Fair weekend. And she was out just, you know, kind of doing, you know, doing the rounds and stuff. And I was out, which was rare. I was. It was Tina Brown's Talk magazine Oscar party at the time.
- [39:41]
A
Why was it rare for you to just, you Didn't.
- [39:44]
B
I don't go out much. Yeah.
- [39:45]
A
Even back in the.
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B
Even back in the day.
- [39:47]
A
Even back in the day.
- [39:48]
B
Yeah. Yeah, I would go out. You know, occasionally I would go out and stuff, but usually to dinner parties are like. They make me nervous, so. But I was there and I saw her.
- [39:58]
A
What was your pickup line?
- [39:59]
B
It said, how's your back? No, I don't know what I said.
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A
You don't know?
- [40:04]
B
You don't know? I just said, hey, it's me. Hey. Remember we met in the thing. I had the bad back.
- [40:09]
A
But you didn't really meet because she just walked by.
- [40:12]
B
Well, I got out of my chair and I actually went up and we had a brief conversation at the desk. Yeah.
- [40:16]
A
And then. Since then?
- [40:18]
B
Yeah, since then.
- [40:19]
A
Oh, my God, that's so special.
- [40:21]
B
We're married. 23 together. 20, 26.
- [40:24]
A
Is she involved in things that you do? Because she's such a. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [40:29]
B
Very much so. In fact, I mentioned earlier the podcast I did, Varnum Town, she produced that, and that was one of the many, many things that she does. And also just her. She's got a. She's got a great take on things. I listen to her, what she says, her ideas. She's really smart, and I may look at something. I have a certain perspective, and she has a completely different perspective. And it's always worth hearing. And usually she's. Well, not usually. She's always right, Honestly, then we have a beautiful son together and. Yeah, it's pretty nice.
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A
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B
Welcome to gift wrapping.
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A
Whoa.
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B
So we saw Donna. Hey, can you wrap these please?
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Wow.
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IPhone 17s. You splurged at T Mobile.
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The new center stage front camera is amazing for group selfies. It's the perfect gift for everyone. I'm the worst. I only got my mom a robe. Well, it's better than socks. So I have to trade in my old phone, right? No @t mobile. There's no trade ins needed when you switch. Keep your old phone or give it as a gift. Incredible. In fact, wrap up my old phone too for my aunt Rosa.
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A
Forget that.
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B
Aunt Liz will be jealous. Sounds like my family drama. Oh, I got it. I'll give it to my abuela.
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A
I'll take reindeer paper with. Hey, where are you going?
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Visit t mobile.com and we're back. And did. Is she involved in your wine brand? Sued by bear.
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B
No, thank you. And I understand you like, you enjoy.
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A
I know.
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B
Wine.
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A
Why don't we have wine?
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B
Well, we were going to have wine, but we drank it all.
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A
I'm just kidding. I'm just, just kidding.
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B
We drank it all in the car.
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A
Yeah, you drank it all in the car.
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B
I'm gonna get. We're gonna get some to you.
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A
So you're a big wine guy?
- [49:09]
B
Yes, yes. I started in high school. When did you start to drink? You don't have to answer. No, no, it's high school. Yeah, I didn't like that's when everyone starts. I didn't like spirits so much, and I wasn't a big beer drinker, so all that was left was wine. And I kind of. I like the romance of it, I think, and kind of. It felt grown up.
- [49:29]
A
Like the white zinfandel back in the day. Like the awful sweet stuff that would give you huge headaches.
- [49:34]
B
Yeah, Horrible. But that's how it started. And then I grew up in a part of the world. Well, I'm from Eastern Washington. And the wine world there started to explode sort of in the 80s and 90s. And I was watching it, and I said, I think I want to get involved. And she said, you should stop talking about it and go do this. And I said, okay. And initially, I was focused on Napa, because living in la, I thought that was close. And I had Napa friends, Napa winemakers. And she said, the story is Washington. And I said, you're absolutely right. That's my home. So back we went, and I made the acquaintance of a great winemaker, and off we went. In 2005 was my first vintage.
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A
Wow.
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B
It's been at it for 20 years.
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A
How much does a 2005 bottle go for?
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B
It's still available and still within our price range.
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A
What does that mean?
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B
I don't know. I probably wouldn't even sell it. I would probably just say, here, have.
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A
This and try it, because it's a good gift to bring to a holiday party or great gift and especially like a vintage.
- [50:36]
B
Yeah.
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A
So what are you, a red or a white guy?
- [50:39]
B
Well, I'm red primarily, but I also have a chardonnay. Two Chardonnays that I make that are really good, but I'm really particular about my white wine. It has to be dry. Yeah, Dry, lean, more Burgundian, and style like a white Burgundy. So a little lighter.
- [50:53]
A
A wine bar. And you have to ask for a wine.
- [50:56]
B
Well, I'll check the list.
- [50:57]
A
Yeah.
- [50:57]
B
By the glass, and I'll find something that I'm interested in. Sometimes, you know, I change. Or if I'm. If I'm having dinner, I'll ask the sommelier. I said, you know, I see everything here. He said, what. What do you. What do you like right now? What's in the cellar that you think is really, like, popular? And I said, here's my price range. It's kind of what I like.
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A
Oh, you say the price range?
- [51:17]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just say, you know, I'll spend this much money, roughly this.
- [51:20]
A
Really?
- [51:20]
B
But. But I said also that, you know, if there's some stuff around that.
- [51:23]
A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
But I'm.
- [51:24]
A
Because if not, they'll try to sell you the most expensive one.
- [51:27]
B
No, no, they're usually pretty good. They probably can sell you the middle one. Yeah, this is pretty good. This is pretty good. But they'll always have something interesting. And usually. And I can tell if it's something that they're just trying to move.
- [51:37]
A
Yeah.
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B
But usually they get excited about sharing something because they've curated the Cellar, hopefully, and they've brought everything in, so they have their favorites. And they said, I love this. This is really. You know, it's like this.
- [51:49]
A
Where'd the name come from?
- [51:51]
B
It's from a Shakespeare play. And I love Shakespeare. I grew up doing Shakespeare. And So in Act 3, Scene 3 of the Winter's Tale, he wrote a stage direction. Exit, Pursued by a Bear, which is his craziest stage direction he ever wrote. And the stage. A bear comes on stage. Yeah, it is. And some people get it. Like, sometimes you're in a restaurant and someone's working there, and they're like, they're an actor, and this is what they're doing to make money. And they give me a little wink, and they said, I know where that's from. And English lit majors usually get it. Those are the only two.
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A
Those are the only two. Wait, so when you got into acting.
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B
Yeah.
- [52:29]
A
It was through theater when you were younger.
- [52:32]
B
Yeah.
- [52:32]
A
But was it. Did I read that it was more your mom kind of pushed you into it?
- [52:37]
B
Yeah, she was the one who was sort of nudging. Nudging all of us, but mainly me in that direction. She was very musical and involved in the theater, very artsy, and she was part of the community theater in my little town. And she had a teacher background. She grew up. She was a teacher.
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A
So you're Nepo baby. No, I'm just kidding.
- [52:55]
B
I'm a Nepo baby. Exactly.
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A
Nepo baby of theater.
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B
Theater. And she wanted. She thought theater was really important for kids to be engaged in. You know, in my hometown, there wasn't a lot. So she kind of. She kind of helped initiate some things in the community. We had a teenage theater group, which I thought was totally nerdy, and I did not want to be a part of it. But then I went because she insisted and she needed help. And then I was like, well, this is actually kind of fun. And there were a lot of kids my age, and they were all fun, and there were cute girls around and stuff. So I was like, all right, I'll go again. And then it Just kind of. I became enchanted with it.
- [53:28]
A
You fell in love with it?
- [53:29]
B
I did, yeah. I did. Just from that. And then I tried to resist it. Like, I did plays and musicals in high school. I went to college. I said, I can't do any more theater. This is done. I gotta find a real job. And I.
- [53:41]
A
What did you go to college for?
- [53:42]
B
I was just liberal arts. I didn't know what I wanted to do, honestly. And I pledged and the whole thing and the deal. And I was like, okay, I'm just like my dad. And I just did not fit in.
- [53:55]
A
In the frat world.
- [53:57]
B
Yeah, yeah. My brother was totally fit in. My youngest brother. Yeah, he was. It was all in. But I just couldn't sort of get myself around it. And then I just sort of took an acting class because I was so unhappy, and that made me happy. And I said, oh, man, I guess this is where I'm supposed to be.
- [54:13]
A
Why were you trying to resist it, though?
- [54:14]
B
I didn't know. I didn't feel like it was a way to make. I didn't know how you made a living as an actor, as a career. I had nothing to sort of judge it by, but I knew that I had a talent for it. And I knew that the program. That program at the university at that time was a professional training program specifically to train you for repertory theater. And I said, that's what I want to do. So I just said, okay.
- [54:37]
A
So from there, you continued to.
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B
Yeah, for three years. And then I graduated and I worked at the Shakespeare Festival in Ashland. I worked at a little theater in Seattle, intending to go to New York. And I auditioned for Dune when I was in Seattle before I left. And that led to a meeting with David lynch and a screen test and another screen test. And I got the job.
- [54:57]
A
Your first job?
- [54:58]
B
First job. Out of school? I wasn't out of school a year. Wow. Yeah.
- [55:01]
A
So weird, crazy story.
- [55:03]
B
Yeah. Like. And I was like, oh, okay. This is how it works. Like, you know, Cut. Two years later, I'm like, that's not the way it works at all. At all. But David lynch and I had this great connection. And I knew Dune. Like, it was, like, a very important book for me when I was, like, 14, 15. Still important, but I still love it.
- [55:19]
A
Wow.
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B
So suddenly there I was, playing the role. So weird.
- [55:23]
A
And what is it like seeing the dunes today?
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B
I really enjoyed it.
- [55:27]
A
Yeah?
- [55:27]
B
Yeah. I mean, I loved the story so much, and I was. I was curious about how it was going to be interpreted. I don't know. I loved It. I enjoyed it. It was fun to see scenes. It was kind of. It was very nostalgic for me, actually. I was watching these scenes going, oh, I remember being in Mexico City and we shot at a studio, Studobusco, and I remember the actors I worked with. And so it was a. I had a very unusual response to it.
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A
But I really can't wait for that Timothee Chalamet episode.
- [55:51]
B
I know. We're gonna have it.
- [55:52]
A
I know.
- [55:52]
B
Whoa.
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A
It's gonna be so good.
- [55:54]
B
It may have to be a two parter.
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A
Okay, so more things that happened this year that you may or may not have manifested.
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B
Yes.
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A
You walked the Vogue World Runway. How did that happen?
- [56:05]
B
Accident. Timothy was not available, so they. No, they just reached out. You know, I had sort of a fashion moment in life back in the 90s, and I don't know, I think it was. I had done Prada a couple years ago. I'd walked in the Prada show in Milan with Jeff as well, Jeff Goldblum, and among many actors that they had. And so Jeff and I. I opened and he closed. And then Jeff was there at the. At Vogue World at the thing. And so it was so fun to see him. We were like, look at us. What are we doing here?
- [56:37]
A
Models. A couple models.
- [56:38]
B
He was like, what are we even doing here? Honestly, that's was exactly the explanation. And we just had fun. I'm just glad I didn't fall down. So that was important. But it was really fun to be part of it. I mean, it was so. It was really a beautiful experience.
- [56:49]
A
It was cool. This year. It was at the Universal Paramount.
- [56:53]
B
Yeah, it was. I was like, this is actually really cool to be part of. You know, so many beautiful fabrics and clothing and great people. Really fun people. Yeah, it was really fun.
- [57:04]
A
You never know, like, what opportunity could come up next. Next maybe you'll go on Dancing with the Stars.
- [57:09]
B
Yeah, there's not a chance. Really? I can't dance. No, I can't dance. Don't ask me.
- [57:15]
A
So we're saying a Hell's Now.
- [57:17]
B
I don't think I could survive, honestly.
- [57:19]
A
With the back with the discs, the knees.
- [57:22]
B
Oh, let me tell you.
- [57:25]
A
So no Dancing with the Stars. So what else are we manifesting for this? For this year for you?
- [57:31]
B
Ooh. We're manifesting a series based on a podcast that I've done. So that's. And we're manifesting that. We're manifesting. We're manifesting. What else are we manifesting? We're manifesting a really, really Good first year college experience for my son because he's applying for colleges, doing that.
- [57:56]
A
And how do you feel about him leaving the nest?
- [57:59]
B
I'm very mixed. Very mixed on it. Because it's time for him to go spread his wings and, you know, explore the world. But he's our only one. And my wife and I are going to be empty nesters. Empty nesters. And, you know, we're busy people and all that, but he is such a joy. His presence in the house and in our life brings so much joy and will continue to do so, but he just won't be present as much all the time. Yeah, he'll be present, but in a different way. So I don't know what that experience is going to be.
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A
Is he going far?
- [58:32]
B
He wants to know. He doesn't want to stay in California. He wants to go somewhere. Yeah, it'll be far. Ish.
- [58:36]
A
It'll be far. Ish.
- [58:37]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [58:38]
A
We always want to go far. Don't know why. Okay, so since you're all up in the Gen Z, yo, let's see if you really are all up in the Gen Z. Yep. And test you on some sayings and see if you know what they mean. Okay.
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B
I don't even know.
- [58:58]
A
Okay. What does it mean to glaze somebody?
- [59:02]
B
To glaze somebody?
- [59:04]
A
Glaze.
- [59:06]
B
Wow. I don't know what it means to glaze somebody. I mean, I think it means to. I mean, I think it means to like, like cover, disregard, to not give them any time of day.
- [59:15]
A
So opposite a little bit. It's to hype them up.
- [59:19]
B
Ah, yeah. Nice. Yeah, I like that.
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A
Okay, now we know. Goaded.
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B
Goaded.
- [59:25]
A
Yeah.
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B
Well, you're the greatest of all.
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A
Right, so it's like the best, right?
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B
Yeah, totally.
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A
Chopped.
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B
Chopped is not attractive. Like even worse than not attractive.
- [59:35]
A
Even worse. Unk.
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B
That would be me.
- [59:42]
A
Wait till you know this one. And you're not ankh.
- [59:46]
B
Ah, bless you.
- [59:47]
A
Okay, I don't know this one. I don't even know how to print gaiety.
- [59:51]
B
Oh, Gayat. Got. Yeah, you pronounce it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not a good one. We shouldn't. We shouldn't mention. We should go past that one.
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A
Oh, it's goddamn.
- [60:02]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [60:03]
A
We're not damning.
- [60:04]
B
No.
- [60:04]
A
Crash out.
- [60:05]
B
Oh, yeah, that's. As you said, it's like you're done.
- [60:08]
A
Yeah. Aura farming.
- [60:10]
B
Oh, yeah. Building your. Building somebody up. And you're building it up, building yourself up.
- [60:15]
A
Oh, so you knew the. Or you knew Aura farming.
- [60:17]
B
Yes.
- [60:17]
A
You've heard of It. I have wild to me.
- [60:21]
B
I have a 17 year old son.
- [60:23]
A
He says aura farming around the house?
- [60:25]
B
No, not really. Not really. He doesn't really. He sort of rejected all of that. There are a few things that he likes and I. And honestly, he doesn't use the terminology around the house, the vernacular. It's amongst his friends and at school.
- [60:35]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [60:36]
B
And it changes so quickly. I mean everything that I know and expressions and things that I've heard are probably already done.
- [60:46]
A
Yeah.
- [60:46]
B
And they moved on to a whole new thing. It's like this thing called cockney rhyming slang. That's what you do. They would speak in these things so the police wouldn't know what they were talking about. So the parents are the police and they're talking in language so we have no idea what they're saying and they don't want us to know. Up, up. Yeah, yeah. Your optics. No, it's enemy. Yeah.
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A
And then the six, seven of it all.
- [61:09]
B
Well, we don't know what that is, right? No, that's true. No one really knows.
- [61:13]
A
That's the truth.
- [61:14]
B
Yeah, you got it. Yeah. Some of them I'm not familiar with, but some I am do. You know, go put the fries in the bag.
- [61:20]
A
Put the fries in the bag.
- [61:21]
B
Yeah. No, get to the point.
- [61:27]
A
I kind of like that.
- [61:28]
B
I do too. There's some that I like, you know, I spill the tea. It's like I totally.
- [61:32]
A
But now I'm tracking which ones we like. We like the ones that like, like make sense.
- [61:37]
B
Yeah.
- [61:38]
A
You know, that like mean something.
- [61:39]
B
And they're fun.
- [61:40]
A
They're words, they're fun. It makes sense. You know, the ones that are like.
- [61:45]
B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Or less.
- [61:46]
B
It's. It just, it's like we get, we acknowledge the brilliance of the, of the generation. So that's so smart.
- [61:51]
A
That's so clever.
- [61:52]
B
It's really funny.
- [61:53]
A
Well, here's the thing about Gen Z that I don't like when they make general statements about what's allowed and what's not allowed. You know, they're like, no skinny jeans, no ankle socks. You know, that's my.
- [62:07]
B
Well, I have stopped wearing ankle socks.
- [62:09]
A
Because they said so.
- [62:09]
B
Yes, yes. It's absolutely out. And my team has said no more ankle socks. You know what it was. Because during my podcast, when I sit there, it's a full kind of body. I don't know where the framing is here. We're probably a little tight. Well, we are. I can see it here. We're tighter. But in mine, you see. And I would wear no socks with my shoes. And they're like, you do not have attractive ankles. You should not be wearing no socks. And I took it to heart and so now I wear socks.
- [62:30]
A
No ankle socks, guys.
- [62:31]
B
No ankle socks here.
- [62:32]
A
No ankle. And it's more comfortable too do it's better your ankles are protected so they know. So they never.
- [62:38]
B
They don't get cold.
- [62:39]
A
Gen Z knows. What's up, you guys? Kyle, thank you for being here. I've had such a fun time to meet you.
- [62:45]
B
Thanks for letting me ramble on.
- [62:46]
A
Of course. Ramble anytime.
- [62:48]
B
Okay, cool.
- [62:50]
A
Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episode. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.