LINDSAY HUBBARD: THE BIRTH STORY

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat: Lindsay Hubbard – The Birth Story

Podcast Information:

• Title: Not Skinny But Not Fat
• Host/Author: Dear Media, Amanda Hirsch
• Episode: LINDSAY HUBBARD: THE BIRTH STORY
• Release Date: January 14, 2025

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Amanda Hirsch welcomes Lindsay Hubbard, also known as Hub House from Summer House, to discuss her recent journey into motherhood. The episode delves deep into Lindsay's pregnancy, the challenges she faced with public rumors, her relationship dynamics, and the intimate details of her birth story.

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1. Embracing Motherhood

Amanda opens the conversation by congratulating Lindsay on the birth of her baby girl, Gemma, highlighting Lindsay's transition into postpartum life.

• Amanda (00:05): "Everyone has been interested to hear Lindsay's... So enjoy our conversation. You look amazing."

Lindsay shares her excitement about becoming a mother and the overwhelming interest from fans eager to hear her birth story.

2. Navigating Pregnancy Amidst Public Scrutiny

Lindsay discusses discovering her pregnancy and the subsequent rumors that emerged within the Summer House community.

• Lindsay (06:00): "I found out I was supposed to get my period on a Monday and it doesn't come. And next thing you know... I took a test and found out I was pregnant."

She elaborates on the challenges of managing a pregnancy in the public eye, especially dealing with misinformation and rumors initiated by acquaintances.

• Lindsay (25:00): "Losing the baby was devastating, and Dorinda running around telling everyone I was pregnant added to the chaos."

3. Relationship Dynamics Under Pressure

The conversation shifts to Lindsay's relationship with her boyfriend, whom she discreetly introduced on the podcast. She emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong individual identity while navigating the pressures of impending motherhood.

• Lindsay (35:05): "I have a daughter now, and she's not going anywhere. What is never guaranteed is the relationship with a man."

Lindsay highlights her determination to ensure that her relationship remains healthy without adding undue stress from the pregnancy.

4. The Birth Process: Induction and Delivery

Lindsay provides a detailed account of her induction process, sharing the emotions and physical sensations experienced during labor.

• Lindsay (48:28): "I went to the hospital and they started me on Pitocin. I didn't have the epidural at first because I was hoping to handle it naturally."

She describes the steps taken during induction, including the use of a balloon to dilate her cervix and the eventual administration of Pitocin to stimulate contractions.

• Lindsay (53:57): "They put a balloon in my cervix and started the Pitocin at 6 AM. It was a whirlwind process from there."

Despite initial hesitations, Lindsay eventually opts for an epidural to manage the intense contractions, leading to the successful delivery of her daughter.

• Lindsay (63:38): "We started pushing, and within 15 minutes, Gemma was born. It was surreal."

5. Postpartum Life and Adjustments

A month postpartum, Lindsay reflects on her recovery and the adjustments she and her family are making.

• Lindsay (66:54): "I'm pumping every three to four hours and managing both breastfeeding and bottle feeding. It's a rigorous routine, but I'm adapting."

She candidly discusses the emotional and physical challenges of the postpartum period, including managing hormonal shifts and establishing a feeding routine.

6. Future Plans and Continuing Summer House

Looking ahead, Lindsay contemplates her role in the upcoming season of Summer House and how her new motherhood will influence her participation.

• Lindsay (72:11): "This is a really big transitional year for me, and I'm having many conversations about how Gemma fits into our lives and the show."

She expresses a desire to balance her public persona with the privacy necessary for raising her child.

Notable Quotes:

• Amanda (00:05): "Lindsay Hubbard is here... You're going amazing. The hair is good."
• Lindsay (06:00): "I just couldn't hide it anymore. Like, physically, I had a belly."
• Lindsay (25:00): "Why is she talking about this so much? She has my phone number, and she... never called to apologize."
• Lindsay (53:57): "They put a balloon in my cervix and started the Pitocin at 6 AM. It was a whirlwind process from there."
• Lindsay (66:54): "I'm pumping every three to four hours and managing both breastfeeding and bottle feeding. It's a rigorous routine, but I'm adapting."
• Lindsay (72:11): "This is a really big transitional year for me, and I'm having many conversations about how Gemma fits into our lives and the show."

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Conclusion

Amanda and Lindsay wrap up the episode by expressing mutual support and excitement for Lindsay's journey into motherhood. Lindsay thanks Amanda for providing a safe space to share her story, and Amanda encourages listeners to follow Lindsay's continued journey both on the show and in her personal life.

Amanda (77:53): "I love you too. I can't wait to see what is going to happen next."

This episode offers an intimate glimpse into Lindsay Hubbard's life-changing experience, highlighting the joys and challenges of becoming a mother while maintaining a public presence.

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Listen to the full episode here to hear more about Lindsay's inspiring journey and her heartfelt conversations with Amanda Hirsch.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[B]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. As we all know, Summer House's Lindsay Hubbard, AKA Hub House, gave birth to a beautiful baby girl, Gemma, about one month ago. So she's postpartum mama, and she's on today to tell her birth story. And obviously, we talk about Summer House this season that's coming out. What's going to happen with next season's filming, her boyfriend, whose name we haven't spoken yet, but believe me, I made her speak it today. And thoughts about Paige and Craig breakup. I wanted to know every single moment of her birth story because I love birth stories. I love hearing about them. I know you guys love hearing about them. Everyone has been interested to hear Lindsay's. So enjoy our conversation. You look amazing. The hair is good.

[A]

I love this new studio.

[B]

It's so nice.

[A]

Is there a camera in the tree? I feel like we're on Summer House. How did you get.

[B]

I feel like we're on Summer House. Oh, my God. We need to talk about that, too. But most importantly, you guys, Lindsay Hubbard is here. Everyone was so excited when she announced one day. She's like, it's confirmed. I'm going. Not scamming up that we're doing a birth pot. I'm like, we're doing a birth.

[A]

I couldn't help it. I was like, you know, everyone was asking me a lot of questions, and. And I was trying to figure out, like, how am I going to talk about this journey? And so I texted you, and I was like, I got to. Come on. We got to figure this out. We got to talk about this.

[B]

First of all, I'm honored.

[A]

And then I, like, definitely lit the fire in my eyes.

[B]

I love it. You're such a obsessed. Like, it was during Christmas, and we were trying to figure out when we were gonna do it, and. And then Lindsay, like, made the same. And I was like, we're in it. We're doing it. I can't wait.

[A]

The press picked it up, and I was like, we're definitely in it now.

[B]

You're.

[A]

Now I'm holding you to the fire.

[B]

No, but I love a birth story. People love a birth story. Everyone's obviously dying to know yours. And I even know about myself. Like, I have, like, friends who have podcasts. I'll. I won't really listen. And then they're doing their birth story. I'm like, I'm listening. Like, you want to know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's something that people just are dying every step of the way. And obviously with you, like, you kept a lot mysterious. You're also sharing a lot now, so we need to, like, fill in the blanks.

[A]

I know, I know.

[B]

Let me tell you what people are the most.

[A]

Okay. Can you tell me? Because I never can gauge whether people are, like, interested or not.

[B]

When you. When I posted that, people were, like, Amanda, like, shaking. People were like, you made it. They told me.

[A]

What? Swear you were like, a Kardashian at one point.

[B]

Babe. Hello.

[A]

And it's like, my birth story.

[B]

The world is dying. It's like Justin Baldoni. Like, we. They need to know.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But it was so nice. I know.

[A]

I have. I have so many questions about the world at the moment, but look at her.

[B]

Everyone take a look. Look at. Excuse the. Dakota. Look at this. Mama. You look amazing.

[A]

Working on it. Oh, okay. Wait, what? You were. You were finishing your sentence about what people were the most excited about.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Besides, I don't know if you're going.

[B]

To be happy about it, though. The boyfriend dying. Salivating.

[A]

Oh, what are they wanting to know?

[B]

I want to know everything about the boyfriend.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

You don't.

[A]

Like, I just had a baby, and they want to know about the boyfriend first.

[B]

About the boyfriend. Like, we have to backtrack. We have to rewind.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because you. First of all.

[A]

Okay. I'll talk to you about anything and everything.

[B]

First of all, Paige predicted your life.

[A]

Yeah, I also did. It was, like, episode two of last season, and Carl and I were on the basketball court, and I was like, who knows where I'll be next summer? I could be pregnant. And then.

[B]

Why didn't you make that a montage yet? Like, a thing. Thought about it, or make it a.

[A]

But then I got pregnant, and I was like, oh, my God, I'm pregnant. What a. We got to figure this out. No, but Paige also did. Yes, of course she. She did. And she has been, like, the most, you know, texting me all the time out of all the girls.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

She's like, how's it going? Thinking about you. What's going on?

[B]

That's so cute.

[A]

Yeah, it's been really.

[B]

They rallied around you in this pregnancy.

[A]

They really did. It was like a. A pregnancy that we all shared, which was so fun and so nice.

[B]

Wait, we have to really backtrack I know, we're. No, we're all you guys. Get ready. Buckle up, buckle up. Let's go back to May 2024.

[A]

May 2024.

[B]

You were in a denim outfit. You were on my pod.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yes, I was here.

[B]

How. How pregnant were you by May?

[A]

I was eight weeks pregnant. It was. Oh, yeah, because it was right before we. I came in here a week before we filmed the reunion, I think. No, we did the reunion May 3. So maybe it was a week after we taped the reunion. Anyways, it was right around the reunion.

[B]

Tape and he were eight weeks pregnant. So how long did you know? For four weeks.

[A]

I found out at five weeks pregnant. Long story short, I. I'm not on birth control. I'm just. It's never worked for me. The two times in my past lives that I've been on birth control, I've broken up with boyfriends because it's just made me fucking nuts. So it's just not my thing. Doesn't work well with my body. So pull out.

[B]

Pull out. Yeah.

[A]

And we had the conversation, me and my boyfriend, you know, like, I'm not on birth control. Like, we should just be a little careful. Whatever. Had that conversation in, like, February.

[B]

So when did you start dating?

[A]

We started. Our first date was like, January, mid January.

[B]

So a year now?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're celebrating a year? Yeah, we are a month old, baby. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, No, I know. I move quick.

[B]

So you had the conversation in Feb.

[A]

So we had the conversation in Feb. By March, I was pregnant, but had no idea. And by April, I found out, and I had been five weeks pregnant when I found out. So I find out I was supposed to, like, get my period on a Monday and it doesn't come. And next thing you know, like, a week goes by and I'm like, this is kind of weird. You know, I have a pretty consistent period, you know, cycle. And I. It's been a week. So I start ordering tests on Amazon.

[B]

Because God forbid she goes to the store.

[A]

No, God forbid.

[B]

Oh, you were scared to go that someone would see you?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And like, every time I've ever in the past, like, maybe gotten a pregnancy test from cvs, they put it at the top of the bag. They, like, leave it out on the counter. And I'm like, can you please just hide that?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I'm on Amazon ordering test a week. You know, after I was supposed to get my period in, like, March, and they finally come. After a week, I'm like, okay, something's kind of up like, this is starting to feel like maybe I need to, like, check this out. And I took a test the Wednesday, like, you know, two days after they came and found out I was pregnant, which that day was, like, April 3rd.

[B]

What was your. What. What'd you feel in that moment?

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like, I just started dating my boyfriend and was like, God, like, we have only been dating for a couple of months, and now I'm pregnant. Like, that's obviously an oh moment where.

[B]

You call him first. No, Would you call.

[A]

I called my OB's office and was like, I'm literally coming in.

[B]

Lindsay.

[A]

Yeah, I'm like, I'm coming in. I'm taking a blood test. I'm pregnant. I took a test at home, and I. I need you give me a blood test. I need to confirm this. And they're like, okay, yeah, just come at eight weeks. And I was like, nope, no, I'm coming today. Like, make room in the schedule. Like, you don't have to see your ob. You don't have to. You know, I just need the blood.

[B]

Yeah, you want to know for sure?

[A]

Blood test. So I went in, took the blood test, and the next day was on my way to Mexico. April 4th of last of last year, 2024, was on my way to Mexico to my best friend's wedding.

[B]

Still didn't tell?

[A]

No, because they just needed that confirmation.

[B]

Oh, you okay? Didn't go to the OB yet. Went to Mexico without.

[A]

No, I went to the ob.

[B]

Oh, she didn't give me the results yet.

[A]

No. But I got them on the plane to Mexico. Like, the email came through, and it confirmed five weeks.

[B]

So the fact that you found out at five weeks is. Is, like.

[A]

Well, I think, like, as women, like, we know our body most.

[B]

Like, I think that because I'm like you. I have a very period. So the minute I'm a day late, I'm like, okay, this is weird. Oh. And I'll be like, oh, you flew last week. Maybe the jet lag. Not everybody has a regular period so they can find out later.

[A]

Right.

[B]

With you. You knew it the day after.

[A]

Because, like, I have a pretty consistent cycle. So for me, I was like, well, this is kind of weird, but I got my period last month a little early or late, so maybe my schedule, you know, my cycle. Just trying to, like, catch up with this new schedule. I. I was justifying it in my head. Ob, obviously.

[B]

Okay, so you go to Mexico, you find out on the plane. Are you by yourself on the plane?

[A]

Yeah. And then at that point, you don't call your boyfriend. This is not a phone call. This is not a text message to your boyfriend of two months. Like, or. Or the guy you've not even like.

[B]

Calling him your boyfriend at that point. Do you remember?

[A]

Yeah, we were calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend at that point. But we had only been like dating for two months.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, I think at that point we'd been calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend for like a month. We're a month into exclusivity.

[B]

So you're going to this wedding that you thought you would maybe party at and.

[A]

Yeah, my best friend. My best friend's wedding.

[B]

Oh, my God. Did you tell her when you got there?

[A]

Not when I got there. I told a different best friend because I was like, I need your help through this weekend. Like, everyone's going to be expecting me to, you know, be drinking and staying up late and especially my best friend who's getting married. I wound up telling.

[B]

Do not want to like, steal her thunder or like, no way. So. But you had to tell her.

[A]

Yeah, Like, I wound up seeing her that next day. I mean, I saw her that night, but the next day it was just the two of us. And I had a beer in my hand, which was a non alcoholic beer. And she was like, can I have a sip of your beer? It was the most random encounter. And like, she's about to get married.

[B]

Yeah. It's hard.

[A]

And she's asking me for my beer. And I was like, yeah, sure, here. But it's non alcoholic. And she's like, oh, did you rage? Like, did you?

[B]

She.

[A]

And then she looked at me and she was like, are you. And I was like, yes, I am. And I was like, but we'll talk about this on Monday. This weekend is about you. And like, I'm here for you. Just don't worry about this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's like, congrats. I was like, that's the exact way to ask that.

[B]

Because.

[A]

Because we don't really know. Is it a congress?

[B]

Were you processing at that point or were you like, I'm just gonna put it in the back burner right now?

[A]

Because no, I was like, I don't know. I. I think I was in survival mode of like, get through the weekend.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And make sure no one questions, like, my behavior of not drinking. And I'm like sneaking like, since when am I like this big beer drinker and I'm drinking all these non alcoholic beers like every. I'm like, yeah, I'm in a beer mood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

You were Feeling fine, Because at that.

[A]

Point, I was terrified. Oh, yeah. I was feeling fine physically.

[B]

Yeah. So at what point do you tell him?

[A]

I was terrified that weekend because in my mind, I was like, ah, we have such a beautiful relationship, and this is gonna, like, whoa, this is gonna rock everything. And I don't know how he's gonna react, and I don't know what's gonna happen.

[B]

Conversation yet in general. Yeah.

[A]

We had just gone to Anguilla and, like, randomly started talking about, like, okay, do you want kids? And I had already been pregnant by the time that we were on our first vacation in Anguilla. And I had no idea. It was wild. So, yeah, like, he. He wanted. He want. Wanted kids.

[B]

But that wasn't at the time. Yeah, it wasn't at that timeline.

[A]

Yeah, no, certainly not. I don't know.

[B]

So what. So when did you tell him?

[A]

I got back from Mexico super late on that Sunday night. And I. I think I, like, got home, showered immediately, like, got into bed. He had went. He went to my apartment just, like, to be there for when I got home, and I crawled into bed with him, and he was like. Which I knew this was gonna happen. He was like, did you get your period?

[B]

Why did he ask that? Oh, because you told him. Did you tell him that it was late?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, first question.

[B]

First question.

[A]

Did you get your period? This is like, 1:15 in the morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, no, I didn't. And he was like, okay, well, you know, nothing's confirmed yet. And I was like, huh? Yep. It is actually confirmed. And we are pregnant. And this is like, the wild. Like, who has this conversation? Like, I couldn't lie to him.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But I couldn't text him or call him while I was in Mexico.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This had to be in person.

[B]

He, like, turn on the nightlight at that point. Like, what happened?

[A]

I think he. I think. Yeah, probably held his breath for a little while and then was just like. And I was like, yeah, we should talk about this. Which we didn't really talk too much that night. We talked to the remaining, like, that next. That whole next week, like, every day trying to figure out. Figure it out. And I had, like, a few days on him to process while I was in Mexico. So we just, you know, talk through a bunch of things. And, like, immediately I was like, look, I am not looking for a proposal. I'm not looking to get married. It is actually the last thing on my mind. And I was like, I'm not looking to move in together either. Like, we can Figure that out. I just wanted to take everything off the table so that he doesn't have.

[B]

Like, another layers of.

[A]

Yeah, that's, like, way too much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this is a lot of pressure.

[B]

How old is he?

[A]

He's two years younger than me, so he's 36 at this point. But at that point in April, he was 35 and I was 37. Oh, God.

[B]

But you've wanted a baby for such a long time. Yeah, like, we know you've wanted a baby for such a long time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just think mother expecting it this way, but, yeah. Were you wanting his reaction to be, like, more excited where you wanted? No, your reaction to be more excited?

[A]

I mean, listen, like, the hope and dream and goal in life is that it all happens in this, like, beautiful, perfect, traditional, you know, way. But that's just not what my life.

[B]

It also rarely is the, like, even I feel like what you see in the movies of, like, you know, it's just usually you're like, miss your period, you get a pregnancy, you're like. Usually you're like, oh. Even if you've wanted it, I know I took mine. I was like, oh, damn. Like, you realize, like, the thing that you thought you wanted or wanted is now. For realsies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, wait, oh, my God, that's crazy. You're just like, this is fudgeing crazy, right?

[A]

And, like, this is what I've wanted my whole entire life, and now this is how it's happening. And this is not how I pictured it happening, but this is what we're. What we're doing now.

[B]

Did you tell him, like, in the movies, like, you can choose how you'll be involved, like, that kind of thing?

[A]

Yeah, I actually did. Yeah, I did. I don't. Do you think I took inspiration from the movies?

[B]

I just think, like, how many movies have we seen where that is the conversation of, like, I donate, like, you can.

[A]

Yeah, I gave him, like, every out possible. And he looked at me and he was like, no. Like, I want to do this, and we're gonna do this together. And he's like, I love you, and we're gonna do this together. And I was like, okay.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or not last year. May, whatever that is. You said that you knew him earlier in life.

[A]

So we had dated at the end of 2020. Stravi and I had broken up. I broke up with Stravi in October, and my girlfriend Jacqueline from season one was like, I'm taking you out. We need to go, you know, get you back out there. And I was like, ugh, whatever, fine. And she had a friend who brought my boyfriend. Jacqueline brought me. And so we met at the end of 2020, like October, November, went on three or four dates. And then he broke things off with me because he just wasn't in a place to be in a relationship and didn't want to waste my time. It was very, very respectful. And then he reached back out in December of 2023, started dating in January 2024, wound up pregnant by March and found out in April.

[B]

Okay, so we need to give a moment to the the wild timeline. So then May 2024, Lindsay comes on my podcast. And at that point, and I swear to God, and I told you this, and I texted you this, all I knew was tick tock was like, how do they know?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It really upsets me someone on Summer House is pregnant. Who could it be? Who could it be? That's what I had heard.

[A]

I was deflecting to Amanda. I was like, yeah, everyone always thinks Amanda's pregnant. You're like, I didn't say Amanda.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, I swear on my life, you guys, if I even had it, thought it was you. And you were so Early. I would never even have. That's why I was like, you guys, I would never. This was just a rumor. It could have been, like, randomly. Sierra. Like, I don't fucking know. There was a rumor. Somebody. Why would I think it would be you when you and Carl had just, like, broken up? Like, that wasn't even. Now it's like, what do you think? I was trying to get tea out of you about somebody else. And you were like, I don't know. Like, that's crazy. Not me. And I was like, I didn't say it was you. And you're like, yeah. And. And then when the. The. The. It came out that you were pregnant and you confirmed it, I was like, oh, my God. And trying to realize if you were pregnant then. And then people thought were getting mad at me, like, oh, my God. You thought it was her? And I was like, I would have never in my life pressured somebody to an early pregnancy. Like, trying to get you to be like, it is me. You got. And get the tea and get the headline. Like, so far, that's. I text, you know, I was like, just, you know, I hope you know that I had no idea the rumors were about you. Only later. Dorinda and Traders.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So Dorinda blew it up for you.

[A]

No. Like, yes and no. So there was, like, a different. I had heard a couple of things that Dorinda had said. So here's what happened with Dorinda. Number one, Margaret Joseph's held a Cinco de Mayo Real Housewives of New Jersey premiere party at her house. So that's around, like, May 5th.

[B]

You went?

[A]

No, I didn't go. Oh, but I had friends that went. And apparently Dorinda was really, really drunk at this party and was going around. Okay, now I don't speak to Dorinda. We have always been very friendly when we have run into each other. Like, I actually, you know, really have enjoyed my interactions with Dorinda in the past. And so this is around Cinco de Mayo, Margaret Joseph's house. I'm not there. I have friends there. And Dorinda is drunk, going around telling everyone that I'm pregnant. But unfortunately, I lost the. The baby, and I had a miscarriage. That's what she's going around drunkenly saying at Margaret's house. And it's getting back to me from multiple people. Then the rumors are coming out about traitors, and, you know, they announced the cast of traitors, blah, blah, blah. And then this big rumor comes out about how Dorinda had such A problem that she found out I was pregnant, but I shouldn't be able to compete. Now I have a problem with this because why I'm not affecting you. Okay, now. Yes. Is it hard to compete on Traders when you're pregnant? Because it's, like, you know, physically and mentally, just a lot on your body, and also, you're in isolation and you can't talk to anyone.

[B]

Right.

[A]

In Scotland. In Scotland, yeah, of course. Like, should I be on Traders while pregnant? Probably not. And why also, are you getting drunk and running around a party and talking about, like, how I had a miscarriage when I didn't?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially because I've already had a miscarriage in my life.

[B]

Maybe she was confusing. Maybe she was, like, drunkenly.

[A]

I've never spoken to Dorinda about any.

[B]

Of this, but why did she care about.

[A]

I don't know. Like, this is not. I don't know.

[B]

Was that so random? It was so random, Dorinda. That's why, by the way.

[A]

And I bit my tongue. Like, I haven't spoken ever about this. Like, I've never had this conversation with anybody. Like, I've been asked before. I mean, here's your. You've made it. You've made it. Amanda made it.

[B]

No, but this is my problem. I'm wrong a lot, you guys, and I admit when I'm wrong. The reason I'm wrong is because I'm naive, and I like to believe in, like, positive things and good people that wouldn't do that. So when the rumors then started happening about Dorinda, it was too crazy for me. I'm like, you guys are losing it.

[A]

You really think Dorinda, like, yeah, okay, I'm sorry. Here's the thing. Where there's smoke, there's fire. How did Dorinda's name get looped into my rumors about saying pregnant? And if that's not the case, like, if. If. If Dorinda's name is getting looped into me being pregnant, there's something there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, what is she doing?

[B]

Go.

[A]

Why is she talking about this so much? She has my phone number, and she. I heard she wanted to call me, and then she never called me to apologize.

[B]

Do you think?

[A]

Yeah, because, as she should.

[B]

Got your pregnancy leaked.

[A]

Yeah, but. But everyone was blaming everyone for this leak. And, like, I was desperately, well, trying to figure out, like, how long everyone was talking about hair and makeup people. Like, I was questioning legitimately, everyone. It was. It was.

[B]

It was a really brutal rumor started because. Okay, you were on my podcast in May at that point, you were, you said, how many weeks?

[A]

Like eight.

[B]

Like, eight.

[A]

I was five weeks pregnant and I found out, like, at the beginning of April. Oh, no. I must have been, like, 10 weeks pregnant by the time I came to you.

[B]

So. But you're saying by 10 weeks. The. I mean, you're not saying by 10 weeks. We knew someone in Summer House. That's how it started. Then probably two weeks later, your name was looped in. So that is so early for people to know.

[A]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[B]

People don't. By the way, if you haven't, you don't have knowledge about this. Usually when you're pregnant, the kind of rule is to share after your first trimester. Just because the first trimester is.

[A]

So you have a higher risk of miscarriage. You have to get through your genetic screening to make sure that there's no chromosomal abnormalities with your baby.

[B]

So this is not a time that you want the world to know.

[A]

No. And also, I've had a miscarriage before.

[B]

So for me, higher risk.

[A]

I'm, like, terrified. I, you know, is this one going to be viable? Is this pregnancy viable? Like, what's going to happen if, okay, like, I get to that milestone of, you know, 12 weeks, first trimester, but then I take the genetic testing and what if the genetic testing comes back where, you know, there's some abnormality? And what if, you know, I'm not able to continue this pregnancy because, you know, for whatever reason, I mean, there's like a million different, like, tests that we have to go through in that first trimester. And you just thank God every day to get to the next week and to get to the next week.

[B]

So what's, what's happening? The world is spinning. Tick tocks are tick tocking. What are you feeling like? What are you.

[A]

I was honestly kind of depressed in that first trimester because I couldn't share my excitement with anyone. I didn't know who to trust. I'm. I'm like, you know, pushing all my friends away because the rumors are swirling and it's coming from somebody who's close, within, you know, my, my personal crew. And, you know, I just, I couldn't. I don't know, I was still trying to figure out, like, how this is going to work with my boyfriend. And, you know, I'm walking into filming and I, you know, I need to figure out how to announce this to the world. But also, like, I'm walking into filming, you know, and how do I manage that? I was at a point where I was Starting to show and I just could not hide it anymore. Like, physically, I had a belly and if you remember, like, I lost a bunch of weight after Carl and I broke up.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So I was very.

[B]

When you came to me in May, I remember being like, we. The episode we did in May of last year was like post breakup wood Wood. Like, you were thrive. You were, you know. Yeah.

[A]

And I remember even saying, like, so, you know, me getting pregnant, like, I was starting to show by 4th of July and filming starting, I was like, oh, God. Like, I. People are going to ask, you know, I can't walk into the house and not have a glass of rose. People are going to be like, what's going on?

[B]

So did you tell them before? Did you end up telling them upon arrival?

[A]

Pretty much upon arrival. Like, I couldn't. I couldn't not. I could. I mean, how far could I go without you?

[B]

But how did you hide it then from the public? When did you end up telling the world?

[A]

The same day I told my castmates. And then I told.

[B]

And then you said.

[A]

Yeah, literally, I had the post ready to go.

[B]

Why did you decide to wait then? Well into your first second trimester?

[A]

I was trying to go as. As far really, as long as I could possibly go.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Just because I. I don't know, I just needed. I just wanted to push it.

[B]

Was any part of you during the rumors wanting to be like, fuck it. Like, I'll just confirm.

[A]

I. I wanted to, but I also, like, let's be honest, like, I have a job to do. I'm a reality TV personality. Like, I owe it to Summer House and to the fans who watch it to give them. I. I owe it to Summer House to give them that exclusive and nobody else.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

Like, I've been here for nine seasons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, I imagine you have.

[B]

To wait until the. The season came out. All of a sudden you're like, with a baby. Now you're confirming that you were.

[A]

They, like, they've given up on, you know, it's not like the Bachelor like that, but yeah. And also, I mean, I've shared a house with some of these people for, like, Kyle and Amanda for nine years. Carl was not there during my announcement.

[B]

Did he congratulate you?

[A]

He did he.

[B]

By the way, which I think I texted you this.

[A]

I'm like, I don't even know what you're about to say right now.

[B]

I texted you this.

[A]

Which. About what? What did you text me about that.

[B]

When you were pregnant and still not confirmed?

[A]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[B]

He Said it.

[A]

He told somebody. He repeated the rumor.

[B]

Yeah, no, he confirmed the rumor. Yeah, but he was like, I don't.

[A]

Know how he could confirm the rumor.

[B]

Like, probably by like his life.

[A]

It all happened on the same day. Like I confirmed to my castmates and.

[B]

Right. But he was probably, you know, probably everyone was doing their own, like due diligence, digging, talking to people.

[A]

Well, that's trying to find out for him.

[B]

He told you on himself. But yeah, he.

[A]

But he prays for me.

[B]

Wait, is that what he said in.

[A]

The trailer did he was like, I pray for you? I was like, what?

[B]

I don't need your prayers. Yeah. Oh. Oh, my God. So wait, how was it filming pregnant? How are you feeling, by the way? Did you have first trimester sickness? Like, how did you handle like those parties, like all the fudgeing parties?

[A]

I had a lot of fun.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I really? Yeah, I was like really giggly and happy and just like a jokester for whatever reason in my second trimester. I was like, I was just like trolling all the guys in the house because they need to be trolled and I was just giggling at everything. Everyone was funny to me. I was like, oh.

[B]

I heard somewhere someone said like, no one's going to fight with a pregnant person.

[A]

Well, yeah, like, how can you.

[B]

Yeah, like, so you're probably having just like, just fun.

[A]

Yeah, I was having a. I had a great time. Yeah, like, it was probably like the.

[B]

Most was in the house.

[A]

Yeah. So what?

[B]

Awkward.

[A]

I mean, if you make it awkward, sure. But like for me it's just like whatever.

[B]

Like I was seeing his ex fiance grow by the minute with a baby that it's just, it's. It's fudged up.

[A]

Which part?

[B]

Not like fudge up. Nobody did anything fudgeed up. But it's like a fudge up concept. Yeah, it's like, I know in the shared house. What is boyfriend thing about this? Does he get it?

[A]

Yeah, he doesn't care. He's not threatened by Carl.

[B]

Yeah. Did he come? Did he film at all? No, he's not in that world.

[A]

Yeah, he's a private guy.

[B]

He's a doctor or something.

[A]

Yeah, he went to med school.

[B]

Do we not say his name on purpose even though we know his name? I just am wondering where I could.

[A]

Probably say it now. Like, everyone knows.

[B]

Everyone knows.

[A]

I say it on Summer House.

[B]

How do you say his last name? Koufay Turner? Cuf. What is he?

[A]

He, he hasn't like taken any tests, but he's like, we haven't Sent it. We don't know.

[B]

We haven't sent his DNA to 23andMe yet.

[A]

Yeah, we haven't.

[B]

We probably should know.

[A]

German? Dutch? German, I don't know. He's somewhere over there. It's fine. He's handsome.

[B]

He's cute, so we're saying his name. Why is it weird for you?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You're like, my boyfriend.

[A]

Everything is weird for me right now.

[B]

I. You're in this.

[A]

They're trying to figure it all out.

[B]

And you're very open about living in separate apartments and not.

[A]

He's been, like, glued to my hip, basically, since a month before giving birth. He's been saying at my apartment. I mean, we've always. He's always like. It's kind of been always my apartment. Just because I'm the one who was like, we're gonna make the second bedroom into the nursery. Like, my apartment's hq. So headquarters. Yeah. Gemma, hq.

[B]

Wade, is any part of you loving this, like, separate but together? Are you scared to make, like, the next. Take the next step because.

[A]

No, no, not that I'm scared. It just was, like, I had just resigned my lease, then found out I was pregnant, then didn't want to put the on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, what I've learned from, especially my past relationship is that nothing's guaranteed. It's not even guaranteed when you're married. So I'm not, like, desperate or dying to move in with a boyfriend until I can figure out that that's what I want to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I thought in my mind and still feel to, you know, this day that having a baby and being pregnant put a lot of pressure on a relationship. So let's figure that out. I'm not trying to add more stress and to the to do list of, like, oh, now we have to go find a new apartment. Now we have to, like, you know, force ourselves to move in together. And, like, so you're.

[B]

You're trying to separate the two. Like, obviously they come together.

[A]

It did everything out of order, for sure.

[B]

But that's all. It's very, like, in today's age.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everyone has their own way of doing it.

[A]

It's, like, more normal to do it out of order.

[B]

Yeah. It's also, like, you know, it's so nice. Not that I'm putting pressure on you, but, like, I feel like when couples do get married, after the babies here, I'm, like. It almost makes me sad that, like, my kids weren't at my wedding. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm Almost like that makes it, like, more special.

[A]

Well, and I think, like, with us girls on Bravo, like, we're somehow, like, randomly paving the way for, like, non traditional to be more of the norm. You know, if you look at, like, all the Vanderpump girls, a lot of them did everything out of the traditional order.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, almost all of them. Literally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All of them dead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Saucy, Sheena, Lala. Like, all of them had children before they were married.

[B]

Do you feel like if push comes to shove, knock on wood, like, you'd be able to. To do this on your own?

[A]

Yeah. No, and I mean, that was like, my part of my initial spiel to him was like, I feel like I'm a strong person and, you know, individually and have. Have always been, and I have a great support system around me. So push come to shove, like, I will always be able to do something.

[B]

On my own, which is so reaffirming and takes the pressure off the relationship. Because it's not like, you'll stay in it because you need him because of the baby.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, you'll stay in it because that's a good relationship and you're happy.

[A]

Well, and that's where I went wrong in the past. So, like, let me learn from my past mistakes. Let me learn where I went wrong and, like, not make that mistake again. You know, what will always be consistent is the fact that I have a daughter now and she's not going anywhere, and she is my forever. But what is never guaranteed is the relationship with, you know, a man.

[B]

How did you feel about finding out it was a girl?

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I was.

[B]

Is that what you wanted?

[A]

I. It's. I. Listen, either way, I would have been so happy. I've always felt like I give a lot of masculine energy of. I mean, go figure. Or maybe it's just because I've, like, raised so many man children that I was like, I'm definitely having a boy. You know, I didn't get the morning sickness. I had such, like, an easy pregnancy.

[B]

Right. They say girls, like, make you more sick.

[A]

Right. We're like, you're having a boy? And I was 100% convinced. And then as soon as he revealed to me that we were having a girl, I could not believe it. I was so happy.

[B]

That's exciting.

[A]

And I really feel like, wait, did.

[B]

He brings me Remind me it was because I remember you posted it. He decorated, like, your hotel room.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How you found out? Yeah. You didn't do, like, a Gender reveal.

[A]

No, I. Well, because no one knew. Like, no one knew at that point that we were pregnant. So it's like, who am I doing?

[B]

So cute. I love that. It was, like, just the two of you.

[A]

Well, he wanted to know. Of course. You know, he was. I was. I asked him. I was like, look, I'm having a hard time, like, grabbing on two things to celebrate about this pregnancy. The rumors are swirling. I'm more stressed out about killing these rumors. I can't be openly excited about being pregnant, you know? And we're about to find out the gender. Do you want to know? And he's like, yeah. I was like, great, why don't you find out and you reveal it to me in some cute, fun way so that I can be excited about anything.

[B]

And I love how you micromanage. How about exactly what the. What I'm going to tell you. How about. Let me. Let me break this down to. You could. How you're gonna do it?

[A]

Well, that's how you have to deal with men sometimes. Like, you just have to be very clear and specific about what you want. So I was like, great, you reveal it to me. And then he set up the, like, cute surprise in your.

[B]

The back of your mind. You're like, but boy. Because of, like, all this stuff. So you must have been so surprised.

[A]

Well, he waited two weeks after he found out what the gender was. Two weeks. And I'm like, are you ever gonna fucking tell me if we're having a boy or a girl? Like, when is this gender reveal happening?

[B]

Oh, my God. Like. Like, I didn't give him a. A deadline. I should have added that.

[A]

No, honestly. So. But he waited until we were in Switzerland, we were at Lake Maggiore, and we had just been in Milan.

[B]

Find out it's a girl. We're gonna get. We're gonna get to everything, guys. So excited. So excited. It is. I mean, I. I have two boys. Love boys. But there is something about a girl that's, like, more. I don't know why. It's like, you assume. First of all, boys are all over the place. I don't know how every friend of mine that gets pregnant, it's a boy. I feel like it's more everyone's prize when it's a girl.

[A]

Yeah, well, and also because, like, yeah, boys, like, they jump around. They just are, like, trying to, like, wind up in the emergency room every five seconds.

[B]

And Gemma is such a cute name. Tell me. Tell me about it.

[A]

Well, first of all, can I just say one thing about Having a girl, I feel like it's a full circle situation because I obviously, very publicly, like, everyone knows that I don't have a relationship with my mother and struggled with that relationship for pretty much my entire life. So me having a girl, I feel blessed, and I think that it'll heal me in ways that, like, I am. Like, I don't even know yet. But I get to give my daughter certain things that I feel like I missed out on from my own mother. So I feel really lucky about that. So I wanted to say that about having a girl, the whole, like, getting her dressed up, like, I'm not a super girly girl. Like, I grew up as a tomboy. I grew up with the boys. I have always had this masculine sort of energy about me, so. But yes, I, like, I can't wait to dress her up. I think that'll be fun and, like, braid her hair and be, like, you know, twinsies. But I think for me, it's a. It's a more of a deeper, like, connection.

[B]

I'm gonna be interested to see you if you're gonna be tough, like, not now, because they're babies, but, like. Or if you're gonna be such a softie and no one already such a.

[A]

Softie, and I don't understand it. I thought I was always gonna be the bad cop. And I, like, we're doing tummy time, and I.

[B]

Never mind. It's okay. Don't. Don't strengthen your neck.

[A]

I was like, I can't handle this. Like, she's crying. Because all babies cry during tummy time. And I'm like, can I just rescue her?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and is like, really?

[B]

I love that we're whispering his name. Yeah, he's. He's tough. Well, he's like, you know, it's fine. She's crying. It's okay.

[A]

Yeah, well, she's already rolling over. She started rolling over at three weeks old. And, like, that usually doesn't happen until, like, three months. So it's working. But then, like, I'm just like, I'll save you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm already such a softy.

[B]

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[A]

Oh yeah, like, oh my God. That's why we're here.

[B]

That's why we're here. We know by your Instagram stories you were trying to get this baby to come.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You went over.

[A]

I did. You know, normally for any, anybody, any listeners who don't really know, which I didn't, there's so many things I didn't know until I was in it. When it's your first child, and especially if it's a girl, like the majority of times they don't, they come late. So like a week before my due date, I was like, let's start this process. It might have even been two weeks before my due date. But I was like, I need to start, start, like trying to naturally do all the things that naturally induce, like eat the eggplant parmesan.

[B]

Why were you just like.

[A]

I was just like done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, I'm over it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I had such a great, easy pregnancy and like, I felt good.

[B]

I looked good the whole time.

[A]

The whole time. Even at the end. Amazing, you know, but I just was by the last two weeks, I was like, okay. I'm, like, really slowing down. I'm having a hard time, like, sleeping. Like, let's start the process of, like, naturally.

[B]

Just like, so what's taking her out?

[A]

I went to, like, this one restaurant in Hoboken called Leo's and ate their eggplant parmesan.

[B]

Said this specifically, go to this restaurant.

[A]

And I did it. I was drinking raspberry leaf tea. I started eating dates. I was, like, bouncing on a medicine bouncy ball thing, you know, because they're like, do that. I did this, like, the miles circuit situation, which was like this, like, weird, long yoga stuff. I. What else? Oh, curb walking. You know where they say, like, you know, either walk up and down stairs or, like, walk, like.

[B]

Like on curbs. Like, you were doing that?

[A]

Yes. But it's hard in New York, so I was just, like, kind of trying.

[B]

To, like, push you over in New York, like, get out of the way. So then I just get to.

[A]

I had. My due date was December 2nd. I had an OB appointment on December 3rd. We went in. She was checking my cervix. I still was nowhere near open or soft or whatever. And she couldn't. I was. Because I asked her for a membrane sweep, which is. I don't even know. I'm not a doctor, so just don't take anything. I say to someone, recommend Google everything and ask your personal doctors, because don't trust.

[B]

Did someone recommend this to you or did you Google it?

[A]

No. Like, I've had friends who have gotten membranes.

[B]

And what does that mean?

[A]

So you basically, like, your doctor sticks her. His or her fingers into your cervix and, like, swipes the, like, sack that is in there around your baby.

[B]

Move it out of the way to.

[A]

Then, like, it's. This is where I get confused because I never got it. But, yeah, it's supposed to, like, start the process of, like. Then, you know, maybe you. Your water breaks or something.

[B]

On your due date to the doctor, you were nowhere near. You asked about the membrane sweep.

[A]

She couldn't even get her fingers into my cervix to swipe the membrane. So I was like, okay, we need to start talking about inducing. Like, this is already a day after my due date. And, you know, everyone's like, she'll come when she comes.

[B]

How did you feel about that, though? Like, people saying that.

[A]

I was. I also was like, you know, I've heard, you know, great benefits of a kid, like, just coming when they're ready and. But you were so impatient not that it was impatient. It was. It. It was already, like, getting to be a lot on my body. I was still growing and getting bigger day by day. I'm also of an elderly age of, you know, 38. So, like, whatever, but. And there is such a thing that, like, your placenta can get too mature and stop actually giving your baby the nutrients it needs to give them, because your placenta is, like, now at a point where it's, like, dying inside. So anyways, whatever. I asked the doctor. I was like, can we talk about induction dates? She was telling me. She told me what dates she was gonna personally be at the hospital. Like, you. I obviously want my own doctor to deliver my baby if I can help it, control it. Yeah, yeah. So if we are talking about induction dates, like, it kind of has to, like, match the schedule of, like, when she's at the hospital and not at her, you know, practice. So she gave us the dates. She was there December 6th and then the 11th, December 11th and 12th. So we were like, okay, great. We're gonna go in this week, you know, And I asked her, I was like, would you wait until next week or what? Did you just induce this week? And she was like, just induce, Lindsay?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like, almost all Doctors induce at 39 weeks. There's, like, a lot of research that's done, you know, where it's just. It's going to be healthier for you. And. And so we induced, literally two days later. I went to the hospital on a Thursday night, and then, you know. Oh, my God. No. They put a balloon in my cervix.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Have you ever heard of that?

[B]

I did. Is that when the pitocin doesn't. Did they not start with pitocin?

[A]

No, they started with the balloon.

[B]

Really? I think if you're under three, then they need the balloon to get you to three.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So right away. Balloon.

[A]

I went in on, like, Thursday night, December 5th, and, you know, 8:00pm Which I. I enjoyed because it's like, all right, we. I might as well do half this process, like, overnight, because my doctor got.

[B]

The next question before. When you were trying to pick dates to come, were you, like, what's a cute birthday? Like, you're done? No, no.

[A]

I. I knew her day. Said she was going to be in the hospital. My doctor.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I also wanted to, if I could, separate it, away from the holidays as much as possible.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, at further. The further away from the holidays, because I just want Gemma to have her own, like, birthday if. And it not to get wrapped up too much into, like, you know, Christmas and Hanukkah and. And New Year's and all the holidays. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Plus, it was like, you know, my sanity and. And mental health and physical health. And, you know, I was already, like, past due. I know. She's fully baked.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So at that point, you're just like. We just.

[B]

It's so weird. Somebody come to the hospital pregnant, like, when you're induced, and you're just like, okay, nothing's happening. Nothing's happening, but here we go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so the first step.

[A]

The first step was the. A balloon. Like, I got there on a Thursday night at 8. Like, got checked in. They set me up in the room by 11:30. They're putting a balloon inside of my cervix to manually, like, pump it up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Open my cervix. And at the same time putting some sort of tablet into my gum. Like, it, you know, in your mouth to dissolve. And that was softening my cervix. So I'm, like, softening my cervix and then, like, manually, like, opening it. And I didn't start the epidural because I had these wild aspirations and dreams that I was gonna have, like, a breakfast in the morning and coffee and, like. I don't know what I was thinking.

[B]

But wait, the next morning, you mean?

[A]

Yeah, the next morning. Because I knew this is gonna be like. It will take a process, you know?

[B]

Right. That's the problem with when you get admitted.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And they start hooking you up. You can't eat anymore. Anymore.

[A]

Yeah. So I didn't realize that that's when you have to stop eating. I have always heard, like, eat before you go to the hospital. Make sure to eat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I did do that. Like, of course we went to Hillstone, and it was like, our last meal before the baby. And I love it.

[B]

Obsessed with Hillstone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And how did you get in? You have a connect. No, it had ruined that day.

[A]

No, we went in, like, at 5. We went in super early.

[B]

Okay, so you went in for. I love that Hillsong was your pre delivery meal.

[A]

And then got to the hospital, got set up 11:30. Like, they're putting the balloon and giving me that little tablet to, like, soften my cervix and manually balloons. Manually, whatever. And you cannot start the Pitocin until at least four hours. So four hours goes by now it's 3:30 in the morning. And by the way, like, I'm not on the epidural because I'm having high Aspirations and hopes of like having breakfast in the morning. And you know, I'm naive. I've never done this before. I've never had an epidural. So I don't know. But I mean, when I tell you the pain of the pitocin, the. Not even the pitocin, the balloon, the contractions, the cramps, like, I did not sleep a wink that first night because when you have something manually opening, you like, did they ask you if you.

[B]

Want the dural before the balloon?

[A]

Yeah. And I was like, no, I'm gonna try and hold off. I'm gonna try and hold off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So by 3:30 I'm just like, ah, dying, you know, And I'm. I have an IV connected to me so I have to pee non stop. But I have a balloon in me that's taped. I just, I don't even know. Try peeing with a balloon. Suck up your vagina.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so then they finally took the balloon out by like 3:30 or 4. By 6am they were starting me on the pitocin and I finally was like, should I be getting this epidural? Like, I feel like the pitocin's really going to kick things off and I'm going to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now I'm realizing I cannot. Even if I didn't get an epidural, I still can't have solid food. So I'm like, bring on the epidural.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like it's time.

[B]

Yeah, but you.

[A]

I also didn't want the night crew giving me the epidural because I don't want to be like their last epidural. I need fresh eyes on this. We got to get fresh eyes. We need the day crew to come in. So 6am they're starting me on Pitocin. 6:30am you know, now it's Friday morning. They are manually breaking my water. They'd already get taken me off the balloon. So now I'm on the pitocin. Now we got the water broken. I'm like three and a half centimeters dilated.

[B]

After the water. You're still only three and a half.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, but we just started.

[B]

That's like, there's nothing like being like. And they're like, you know, and you're like, oh my God, no. You know, by the way, for those.

[A]

Who don't know, the pitocin is the drug and the medicine that they give you to induce you. So like, when you ever hear people being like, I'm getting. Indeed.

[B]

Yeah. I think there's so Much confusion. Because even I know with me, like, before I knew about babies and pregnancy, induced sounded like you were going into surgery. Like you were being, like, induced, like, into a coma or into a. No, it's just the Pitocin is getting you into labor if your body didn't do.

[A]

They're like, adding a drug to your.

[B]

IV that, by the way, can cause contractions to be, like, crazy painful.

[A]

Painful. Yeah, painful.

[B]

Because, like, so did you experience that until the epidural?

[A]

I. I started to, but I ordered that epidural with the new crew. I was like, to new. Please put in the request with the day crew to come to me for the epidural, please. So eight.

[B]

I would have never thought about that. Do you know?

[A]

Oh, about, like, yeah.

[B]

I'd been like, is the janitor giving me the epidural? Okay. Like, I wouldn't have known.

[A]

I just wanted, like, fresh.

[B]

No, it's smart. You know, the day crew, well, slept.

[A]

People putting a needle in my spine, dude.

[B]

My doctor came out from a nap. Like, she's like, okay, we're here. And I'm like, she just came from the room that they sleep. Oh, my God. She has morning breath. Like, what's happening? Here we go. They sleep in between.

[A]

Right Things.

[B]

Okay, so you get the. That. Pedro.

[A]

8. 8am 8:30am My doctor gets there because now it's. Her shift is starting, and today is the day. You know, today's the day. It's the Friday, and I get the epidural. I. I don't know. I was cracking jokes. Like, Turner tells me that. He was like. He was like, you. He was like. You were the, like, comedian of the floor. Like, I just was. I don't know what I was talking about, but I had everyone, like, rolling on the ground laughing.

[B]

I guess you were in a good mood.

[A]

I was in a good mood. I was cracking up. I couldn't stop laughing. This epidural was all of a sudden, like a dream. And after that, my doctor came in, and she's like, you need to sleep today. You got to sleep. You got to take some naps, and then you can eat your vegetable broth. And then we're going to get this thing going. And I was like, okay, so they're cranking up the Pitocin. They. I'm like, not.

[B]

You're not feeling any contraction? Because that Pedro is, like, full blast.

[A]

It's beautiful. That means that day crew did a great job. Yeah, Great choice.

[B]

And are you clicking the button? You're giving yourself more.

[A]

I didn't Even I didn't have to click it that much.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, not until towards the end, when they were, like, really giving up the Pitocin. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so what's the timeline? What time is it? What?

[A]

By 11:15, 11:45, she checked me, and I was like, five and a half centimeters. And I was like, God, it feels like this has been, like. Yeah, 12 hours by now. It has been. It's been 12 hours, and I'm now only five and a half centimeters dilated. And then she came back around 2:32 45, checked me again, and she's like, you're ready.

[B]

And I was like, did you feel the blood pressure?

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

You didn't feel? Wow, that Pedro did really work.

[A]

Gotta get the day crew.

[B]

Gotta get the day crew. Wait, so, okay, so she just tells you you're ready, but you don't feel, like, the pressure on your butt? Whatever.

[A]

I feel nothing.

[B]

Just start pushing.

[A]

Well, so they started setting it up, and it was nothing like I thought it would go. I. I mean, you watch the movies, you're like, oh, they're gonna put, like, a sheet in front of me. I'm not gonna be able to see anything. Is that. Maybe they do that for C sections. I was like. And then, like is gonna have to be next to me up here. But like he said.

[B]

Where did he go?

[A]

He's a doctor, right? He went to med school. Like, he delivered babies before he went to the legs. Yeah. And then I'm. I don't know what I was thinking, but it wound up being, like, 2:45. She's like, all right, we're ready to go. And I was like, okay. She just got everything ready, sterilized, everything, sat at the end of the bed and was like, okay, you're going to start pushing. We're going to tell you when you're having contractions since you can't feel them. And it was literally my doctor, the resident doctor, our nurse that had been with us, you know, all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All morning and after.

[B]

So great, those nurses, huh?

[A]

And then. And me. That's it. It was this intimate, like, spiritual ceremony.

[B]

And were you a good pusher?

[A]

Yeah, I guess so, because she came on in 15 minutes.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Like, they were like, okay, you're contracting. Push.

[B]

Wait, so who is holding your legs?

[A]

So boyfriend was on one leg and the nurse was on the other.

[B]

Did he go there or did he not he go to the.

[A]

Did he see below the fifth yard line? Oh, hell, yeah. We talked about this, like, the entire pregnancy. I was like, I Don't know.

[B]

I wanted to feel like he wanted.

[A]

To have, like, nice thoughts about me in your mind when I'm done with this.

[B]

Wait, why did he want to. Because he's a doctor.

[A]

Yeah. And like, it's intriguing to him. And, you know, he's obviously been in a million, like, rooms where people have been giving birth before. Like, he's delivered babies. He was down there. He was like. He's like, oh, my God. And the first thing he said to me, you know, after like one push, her head's starting to come out. And, you know, I don't want to get too graphic because.

[B]

Yeah, graphic. Well, we're all girls here.

[A]

True. So one push, her head started to appear. Then second push came out a little bit more and he was like, oh, my God, babe. He's like, she has a full head of hair. And I was like, what? How is this even possible? Like, I have extensions, you know, And I don't know. And like, he has really.

[B]

Did you feel or.

[A]

No, No, I felt nothing.

[B]

No, with your hands.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He was like. He's like, you have to put your hands. Yeah, it just felt like, really gooey.

[B]

And when they put her on you.

[A]

Oh, I died.

[B]

That feeling is crazy.

[A]

I. It was crazy.

[B]

So you had. Knock on wood. We don't want to jinx anything. A really good pregnancy and birth.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Like you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Farted her out, it sounds like.

[A]

And like, you know, they're like, okay, well, when you push, it's gonna just. Just push. Like you're like pooping, right?

[B]

That's an important thing. It's butt pushing, not vagina pushing.

[A]

Right. And then they were like, enroll your.

[B]

Body into which, like, you know, cuz you have such a strong core.

[A]

So then I'm like, I can't feel any of this, but I know what it feels like to push a poop out and I know what it feels like to roll my body into itself. And so I just did that as hard as I could and didn't know if it was working, but apparently it worked.

[B]

And your recovery, like, did you.

[A]

I had. She said I had less than a grade one tear.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, it didn't tear that much at all.

[B]

Yeah. Did you have like a night nurse or.

[A]

We have a nurse, but I wanted that first night to just be us as a family, you know? So I got home on a Sunday and it was just the three of us. And I am so glad that I made that decision because it was beautiful. It was a hectic night.

[B]

Oh my God. It's so crazy when you come back, right? You're like.

[A]

It was quite.

[B]

They just give you this baby and you're like, what the fuck do I do?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I knew to just like feed her with my tits and.

[B]

Her milk came in. It was all good.

[A]

Yeah. I was, that was, I was so out of everything. Like, 15 minute pushing. Great. But like, I was more proud that she started latching to my nipple right away after like pretty much coming out of the womb. And then also that I was able to feed her, like breastfeed her right away.

[B]

Sure. Like how that was gonna go.

[A]

Yeah. I have, I got a boob job.

[B]

Like, what do they say about breastfeeding and boob jobs?

[A]

That, I mean, you just might mine. My breast augmentation was behind the muscle, which I think helps, but you might just have like a lower supply of milk.

[B]

And how's it going now?

[A]

It's going. Yeah, I'm do, I'm doing well. Like, I, you know, I pump every three to four hours. I'm breastfeeding, you know, a couple of times a day and then we're bottle feeding her with my breast milk and then we have formula as a supplement as well, which I'm a big fan of. Like, I don't agree with the idea of putting pressure on yourself to like breastfeed. It is not for everyone and it is not for the faint. My nipples hurt all the time. This is a really rigorous routine and, you know, I can't go too far, you know, within a three. Like, this is my big time out today.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I, I, I pumped my boobs as right before walking out the door and as soon as I get home, I have to pump again and or I breastfeed. And it's just a lot.

[B]

It's a lot.

[A]

And I need my sanity. I'm so, like, my hormones are so nuts. Like there's like random things. I'll just cry in the middle of the day and not know why.

[B]

Yeah. Well, you're a month. Let's like take a minute. You're a month postpartum. That's like nothing in the world of postpartum. That's like five days of regular life. Like, it's crazy that you're here right now podcasting. Crazy that you're dressed and out of the house.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

You have mascara on. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Round of applause.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And if you're not there yet, don't worry. Completely normal. But the fans are going to want to know this. They're going to kill me. If I don't ask you.

[A]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

No, it's not a stressful question. Okay, like, what's going to be. Is Gemma gonna go in next season of Summer House? Like, what?

[A]

Do you have any ideas? These are a lot of conversations I'm having with Turner right now.

[B]

Because she's gonna be a castmate. She's gonna hit cast. Me?

[A]

Well, no, because, like, he show her a Not a private person, and I'm a public person. And this is inherently, like, you know, where we have very contrasting lifestyles. You know, so, like, is Gemma gonna be public because mom is public, or is Gemma going to be private because dad is private? And coming to a compromise and solution.

[B]

Like, he would want you to not show her on Instagram.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And you've shown her, like, not with full face.

[A]

I've shown her full. I did a recap of, like, you know, like, 2024. Like, what a great year. Here's my top accomplishments. I showed her full face there. But, yeah, like, he would prefer. And it's a. It's a very big topic that we are discussing right now. And, you know, it's. It calls into question, like, you know, what are the safety implications of, like, posting your children on. On social media? You know, are there any? And, like, if so, what are they? And, like, also, I'm, you know, trying to do as much research and looking at what my peers are doing. You know, if you look at Andy Cohen, for example, right? Andy Cohen's like, the face of Bravo. Like, he's way more famous than. Than me and any of us. So, you know, he, for example, like, posted his son Ben, like, used to take videos of him, but then stopped when Ben started going to school. Because then, you know, someone might recognize his son based off of his Instagram. And then, you know, who knows, maybe find out what school they're going to, whatever.

[B]

Then you can also look at, like, the Kardashians show their kids on TV for 15 years and they go to school. You know what I mean?

[A]

Right. But then the Kardashians probably have a lot of security.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Right? So, like, I'm not that rich and I can't afford security.

[B]

I mean, maybe west goes to school with security.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I don't know either.

[A]

You're the Kardashians.

[B]

That's true. I should find that out here. Just like, a random question. But, yeah, I. There's whatever status you are in life. You're a normie, a celeb, a reality star. Like, everyone, okay.

[A]

But, like, you have. You have more followers than me on social media, and you show your kids. Right.

[B]

But I also. Blah, blah, blah to all the, like, research that you're doing. Because I just want to live in a. In a nice world where you can show a cute baby and, like, show.

[A]

Pictures of your kids, but it also makes you happy to share your life.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. You probably feel like you're so in love with Gemma right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All you want to do is like.

[A]

Yeah, but I can't go la, la, la to my boyfriend. You know, Like, I can't. When the noise is coming from, like, you know, your boyfriend. You got to listen and respect.

[B]

And so you're in the midst of.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Figuring this out.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So that also includes what you're gonna do next summer.

[A]

I mean, it's part of the conversation I have. No, what I'm personally gonna do next summer, I think, is, you know, re Summer house. I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I think that's okay. This is a really big transitional year for me, you guys, and I don't know what's gonna happen, but it is, like, a big conversation. Like, I'm having so many conversations right now.

[B]

Your life changed. Changed. You know, at the end of the day, you can look great. After a month, you can feel like yourself. A lot of things can be true, but your life is a different, you know, like, you can still do. I'm the biggest believer in you can keep doing you right and living the life you want. You don't have to change and now be just like a mommy, but, like, you have to.

[A]

But I. I don't know. Because naturally being a mommy changes where.

[B]

Partying in the summer just a little.

[A]

Bit at a share house and the.

[B]

Summer party as you can do probably everything else. But that. That's a question.

[A]

I think I'll be in the Hamptons all summer. Yes, I do. But will I be at a party house? Probably not every weekend. No.

[B]

Yeah. But would you be okay with a different kind of setup? Like, you would never be a friend of.

[A]

Could you imagine?

[B]

Could you imagine, like, an og?

[A]

Who am I going to be the friend of? Going to be like Paige.

[B]

I know. Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. Here's Lindsay. Friend of.

[B]

What do you think about this breakup?

[A]

Oh, man. You know, I feel for them. As somebody who has gone through a very public breakup, I just really feel for them. And I'm sure that the decision, you know, came as. As the best thing for both of them, you know, But I. I just feel for the. The.

[B]

The.

[A]

The public nature of it all. Because it sucks.

[B]

Did you give.

[A]

No matter which way you flip the coin, like, you know, being in the public eye and going through a breakup sucks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No. I found out when the headlines, you know, started rolling through Instagram, and I texted her right away, and how are you with Craig?

[B]

Because you've had your ups and downs. Like, he's had moments over here was, like, pretty shitty to you.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I haven't. I haven't talked to Craig. I thought about reaching out.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did he congratulate you for your baby?

[A]

Yeah. Went over summer when I was pregnant, he had congratulated me, but when I had Gemma, he. He hasn't reached out, but it also seems like maybe there was a lot going on for them at that time.

[B]

So you're saying. Yeah. Could you see yourself joining a different show? Like, Summer House aside, we don't know what's gonna happen. Like. Like Roni or some.

[A]

I'd be happy to. I. I would love to, like, you know, sit down at a conference table with, like, the executives of Summer House and of Bravo and Andy and just be like, all right, guys, like, what are we doing with me? Where am I going?

[B]

Like, let's just, like, you want to stay on tv.

[A]

I mean, I think. And maybe I'm delusional, which. Which is not the first time that I would be called that, but I. I think that I've proven after nine seasons, or this is now upcoming season nine, that I, you know, I'm entertaining, whether you like me or not or you're a Hub House fan or not. Like, I think that I am good on tv, and I. Not really, because I try too hard. It's just. I just happens to me. Me. Like, it just happens.

[B]

So you guys want to make sure there are cameras around, like, all.

[A]

And I'm just open about it. And I think that's, you know, that's the most important.

[B]

I think you would be really good on. On. On a show like Housewives.

[A]

You do? Yeah, because that kind of, like, role. Like, where would I. What. What's.

[B]

Well, first of all, it's never really about the kids, which is great, because you can be a mom, right? Like, a lot of them are moms, and you don't have to, like, involve your kid in it, but you can still have drama in your personal life, friendship stuff. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Right? No, totally.

[B]

Yeah. But. But I wonder. Like, obviously, we want you outspoken, right?

[A]

And I. And I. I think I'm pretty real. I mean, I don't really contrive drama in my life. It just, like I said, just happens like a step in and I'm just like, okay, great. Well, that's that.

[B]

I love that. This is why I say you can be a mom and still be a dumb bitch. Not because Lindsay's a dumb, but because you're a mom now and she's the same. You guys, nothing has changed. Except I do feel like stuff has changed. I do feel like you're a little softer.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Happier than you know.

[A]

I mean, so happy.

[B]

Like happier. And I feel like everyone's so happy for you, which I love to see because, you know, I always support you and I love to see that there's support around you. And I'm so happy that you came to share about your birth.

[A]

Are we done? No.

[B]

Oh my God, babe, we are so over. Well, you have more to say.

[A]

I don't know. I just was enjoying my outing.

[B]

I'm enjoying it so much. What can I do? I have another one at 1:30.

[A]

Oh God.

[B]

111.

[A]

Well, this is. This is.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

I know. I love you too. This was fun because I was enjoying my life. You know, you're a mom. I know mom.

[B]

First of all, I'm here for you for seriously anything.

[A]

I'm gonna just text to, you know, who I talk to a lot. Is Kristen Doty still pregnant?

[B]

Yeah, she's like, oh, you're giving her like pregnancy.

[A]

Yeah, cuz she's right behind me now, so she so like crazy. I'm like, here's the like belly oil to use. Here's the pregnancy pillow to get.

[B]

Do you already. Are you already thinking of another one?

[A]

Oh my God, you're so funny. No, I mean, I'm just trying to like, survive without having. No, it's one month double bags under my eyes.

[B]

Oh my God. First of all, you look amazing. One month postpartum. I can't believe you like even made the time today. So thank you again and I love you.

[A]

I love you too.

[B]

I can't wait to see, like, what is going to happen next. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Pay Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.