Not Skinny But Not Fat

Episode: "Love Thy Nader Sisters: Sarah Jane, Grace Ann & Mary Holland"

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guests: Sarah Jane Nader, Grace Ann Nader (a.k.a. Gracie or "Ganimal"), Mary Holland Nader
Date: September 23, 2025

Episode Overview

In this candid, hilarious, and refreshingly real episode, Amanda Hirsch sits down with the breakout stars of Hulu’s hit reality series Love Thy Nader: sisters Sarah Jane, Grace Ann (nicknamed “Ganimal”), and Mary Holland Nader. The conversation dives into the behind-the-scenes dynamics of being reality TV’s “new it girls,” the complexities of sisterhood off-camera, career moves, family, sexuality, rumors about relationships, and their uniquely honest approach to life in the spotlight. Unfiltered, charismatic, and genuine—the sisters dish on everything you hoped they would (and more).

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Nader Sister Dynamic & "Love Thy Nader" Origins

Timestamps: 00:33–05:55

• Amanda expresses her obsession with the Nader sisters and their show, calling them “the new it girls” and “OG reality stars.”
• The sisters describe their close bond and playful rivalry, particularly with eldest sister Brooks, who both champions and lightly gatekeeps their opportunities.
• They discuss the “delicate balance” of giving Brooks respect for paving the way, while reminding her that “there’s no show without the three of us” (Gracie, 03:21).
• Comparison with the Kardashians emerges—who is the “Kim” or “Khloe” of the group? The sisters feel their family dynamic is much more “Sex and the City” than Kardashian-like:

  "We compare ourselves more to the Sex and the City characters. Yeah, we do, historically." – Mary Holland (05:19)

2. Living Arrangements: Sisterhood IRL

Timestamps: 05:55–07:14

• The sisters currently (mostly) live together in the West Village, shifting from a previous, chaotic Soho apartment.
• Discussion reveals the intricacies of cohabitation—who's moving in, who’s moving out, and navigating old rent deals from the pandemic era.
• Brooks, despite her “eldest” energy, is often at a distance, especially considering past relationships.

3. Reality TV Fame—Navigating Press and Privacy

Timestamps: 07:22–13:28

• Grace Ann (“Ganimal”) recounts the infamous incident where she unintentionally “confirmed” a sister’s romance to E! News, sparking family drama:

  "Don’t let me loose on a press line. I’m not allowed to go on them anymore." – Ganimal (07:59)

• The sisters joke about taking turns “spilling” secrets, with Ganimal accepting her lovable “no filter” role, much to her publicist's distress.
• Amanda and the sisters reflect on the sudden wave of recognition—from fans on the street, to awkward moments of pretending to know people who approach them.

4. Family Response to TV Exposure & Southern Roots

Timestamps: 13:33–15:56, 48:38–50:22

• The sisters discuss the initial shock their parents experienced watching the show, especially scenes involving nipple piercings and candid conversations about sexuality.

  “Our parents are troopers… most of their shell-shockness was more damage control and the extended family down in Louisiana.” – Mary Holland (15:28)

• Their parents are supportive, though certain topics remain taboo among extended family given Southern conservatism.
• The sisters talk about their family’s history, their father’s varied career path, and financial misconceptions (see also 61:19).

5. Vulnerability, Sexuality, and Representation

Timestamps: 16:01–18:19, 59:33–60:49

• Sarah Jane discusses her initial anxiety about sharing her sexuality publicly, but has since received waves of supportive messages:

  “I was so nervous to be vulnerable… but the response that I’ve gotten from random girls being like, you made me feel more comfortable… it’s really given me strength.” – Sarah Jane (16:16)

• She describes existing in “the middle” of sexual identity, not feeling pressure to label herself, and how her experience resonates with many viewers.
• The group candidly addresses the double standard and extra privacy concerns when discussing lesbian relationships, compared to straight ones.

6. Relationship Talk & Social Media DMs

Timestamps: 18:01–27:24, 35:01–36:29

• Sarah Jane gives insight into her celebrity crushes (Paige Bueckers), and the sisters share what it’s like to have DMs “blowing up” – for the first time, mostly with women.
• Miscommunications and rumors around their love lives, rosters, and social statuses are clarified with plenty of laughs and light mockery.
• Mary Holland and Ganimal discuss their own relationships, long-distance challenges, and how they’re prioritizing New York over moving for their boyfriends.
• They reaffirm not being interested in performative (or fake) relationships for clout:

  "We don’t do that. It’s real or nothing." – Amanda (37:33)

7. Birth Order & Sisterly Roles

Timestamps: 27:30–30:43

• They confirm that their personalities fit classic birth-order stereotypes, with Brooks as the “eldest” type, Ganimal describing the “middle child” invisibility, and Mary Holland as the more reserved, bookish type.

8. Sisterly Jealousy, Rivalry & Living Together

Timestamps: 29:20–38:29

• They admit to classic sibling jealousy (“room service coffee without me!”), frequent fights, yet lots of love.
• The “Brooks Program” (going everywhere Brooks goes) is discussed affectionately—sometimes feeling more like a minion than a sister.
• Disputes about rent (“Once and for all, we all pay rent!” – Gracie, 32:57) and everyday pettiness are aired with humor and honesty.

9. Relationship Crossovers, Conservative Upbringing, and Family

Timestamps: 46:37–50:22

• The sisters reveal several “Eskimo sister” situations, some humorous crossovers, and the realities of dating in a small hometown:

  “There’s only so many boys in Baton Rouge…” – Ganimal (48:13)

• Address family conservatism, the adjustment period around coming out, and which sisters are closest/text with parents most often.

10. Evolving Dreams, Identity, and Life After Reality Fame

Timestamps: 51:03–55:50

• The newfound fame is “expansive” for all their aspirations—from women’s health advocacy (Gracie, 51:40), campaigning and modeling, to Mary Holland’s new company, Marion Pip, combining fashion and finance.
• They express intent to use their reality platform for something impactful and discuss the importance of dreaming bigger than the traditional careers expected in their Louisiana community.

11. Honesty on Reality TV: Partying, Drinking, and Ozempic

Timestamps: 62:55–73:39

• The sisters candidly discuss “the drinking problem” storyline:

  “I would just get hammered, honestly, blackout… My parents, my dad was like, ‘You have to stop drinking.’ So I stopped… to prove I could do it.” – Ganimal (64:00)
  “Sobriety is so black or white... but sometimes we should just be aware maybe we’re drinking too much.” – Ganimal (64:59)

• They tackle the Ozempic storyline head-on, with honesty about use, effects, and why Brooks stays on it. The sisters agree honesty is key:

  “No one can fuck with honesty. As long as we’re authentic, we can go to sleep at night knowing we were ourselves.” – Mary Holland (68:06, 68:17)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Don’t let me loose on a press line. I’m not allowed to go on them anymore.” – Ganimal (07:59)
• “We compare ourselves more to the Sex and the City characters.” – Mary Holland (05:19)
• “No one can fuck with honesty.” – Mary Holland (68:06)
• “Once and for all, we all pay rent, and we pay rent fairly.” – Ganimal (32:57)
• “I think being authentic is what people are relating to.”– Amanda (67:40)
• “I was so nervous to be vulnerable… but the response that I’ve gotten from random girls being like, you made me feel more comfortable… it’s really given me strength.” – Sarah Jane (16:16)
• “Our parents are troopers… most of their shell-shockness was more damage control and the extended family down in Louisiana.” – Mary Holland (15:28)
• “There’s only so many boys in Baton Rouge.” – Ganimal (48:13)
• “We all pay rent!” – Gracie (32:57)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:04 – Amanda Hirsch introduces the Nader sisters and sets the vibe: casual, chaotic, and real.
• 03:14 – “There’s no show without three of us.” – Gracie breaks down the group dynamic.
• 05:07 – “Your own siblings... they act more like siblings than parents.”
• 07:59 – Ganimal recounts spilling the tea to E! News.
• 13:50 – Family watches the show for the first time, nipple piercings, and Southern parent shock.
• 16:16 – Sarah Jane on vulnerability and her impact on viewers.
• 27:43 – Birth order, middle child woes, and sisterly archetypes.
• 32:57 – The rent debate: “Once and for all, we all pay rent.”
• 46:43 – “Y’all are Eskimo sisters?” – Discussion of relationship crossovers.
• 64:00 – Ganimal on her drinking storyline and growth.
• 68:06 – The sisters’ pact for honesty on reality TV.
• 70:28 – Open, nuanced conversation about Ozempic and body image.

The Nader Sisters’ Energy & Takeaways

Throughout the episode, Amanda and the sisters keep the conversation playful, raw, and quick-witted, cycling smoothly between juicy reality tea, grounded reflection, and heartfelt moments. The sisters’ chemistry is palpable—full of love and sibling rivalry, always patterning honest, open conversations about taboo topics: sexuality, mental health, body image, and money.

For listeners craving authenticity, sisterly hijinks, and a behind-the-curtains reality TV experience, this episode delivers—reminding us all that no one can “fuck with honesty.”

Follow the Nader Sisters & Amanda:

• @NotSkinnyButNotFat on Instagram
• “Love Thy Nader” on Hulu