Love Thy Nader Sisters: Sarah Jane, Grace Ann & Mary Holland

Summary

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Not Skinny But Not Fat

Episode: "Love Thy Nader Sisters: Sarah Jane, Grace Ann & Mary Holland"

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guests: Sarah Jane Nader, Grace Ann Nader (a.k.a. Gracie or "Ganimal"), Mary Holland Nader
Date: September 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid, hilarious, and refreshingly real episode, Amanda Hirsch sits down with the breakout stars of Hulu’s hit reality series Love Thy Nader: sisters Sarah Jane, Grace Ann (nicknamed “Ganimal”), and Mary Holland Nader. The conversation dives into the behind-the-scenes dynamics of being reality TV’s “new it girls,” the complexities of sisterhood off-camera, career moves, family, sexuality, rumors about relationships, and their uniquely honest approach to life in the spotlight. Unfiltered, charismatic, and genuine—the sisters dish on everything you hoped they would (and more).

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Nader Sister Dynamic & "Love Thy Nader" Origins

Timestamps: 00:33–05:55

• Amanda expresses her obsession with the Nader sisters and their show, calling them “the new it girls” and “OG reality stars.”
• The sisters describe their close bond and playful rivalry, particularly with eldest sister Brooks, who both champions and lightly gatekeeps their opportunities.
• They discuss the “delicate balance” of giving Brooks respect for paving the way, while reminding her that “there’s no show without the three of us” (Gracie, 03:21).
• Comparison with the Kardashians emerges—who is the “Kim” or “Khloe” of the group? The sisters feel their family dynamic is much more “Sex and the City” than Kardashian-like:

  "We compare ourselves more to the Sex and the City characters. Yeah, we do, historically." – Mary Holland (05:19)

2. Living Arrangements: Sisterhood IRL

Timestamps: 05:55–07:14

• The sisters currently (mostly) live together in the West Village, shifting from a previous, chaotic Soho apartment.
• Discussion reveals the intricacies of cohabitation—who's moving in, who’s moving out, and navigating old rent deals from the pandemic era.
• Brooks, despite her “eldest” energy, is often at a distance, especially considering past relationships.

3. Reality TV Fame—Navigating Press and Privacy

Timestamps: 07:22–13:28

• Grace Ann (“Ganimal”) recounts the infamous incident where she unintentionally “confirmed” a sister’s romance to E! News, sparking family drama:

  "Don’t let me loose on a press line. I’m not allowed to go on them anymore." – Ganimal (07:59)

• The sisters joke about taking turns “spilling” secrets, with Ganimal accepting her lovable “no filter” role, much to her publicist's distress.
• Amanda and the sisters reflect on the sudden wave of recognition—from fans on the street, to awkward moments of pretending to know people who approach them.

4. Family Response to TV Exposure & Southern Roots

Timestamps: 13:33–15:56, 48:38–50:22

• The sisters discuss the initial shock their parents experienced watching the show, especially scenes involving nipple piercings and candid conversations about sexuality.

  “Our parents are troopers… most of their shell-shockness was more damage control and the extended family down in Louisiana.” – Mary Holland (15:28)

• Their parents are supportive, though certain topics remain taboo among extended family given Southern conservatism.
• The sisters talk about their family’s history, their father’s varied career path, and financial misconceptions (see also 61:19).

5. Vulnerability, Sexuality, and Representation

Timestamps: 16:01–18:19, 59:33–60:49

• Sarah Jane discusses her initial anxiety about sharing her sexuality publicly, but has since received waves of supportive messages:

  “I was so nervous to be vulnerable… but the response that I’ve gotten from random girls being like, you made me feel more comfortable… it’s really given me strength.” – Sarah Jane (16:16)

• She describes existing in “the middle” of sexual identity, not feeling pressure to label herself, and how her experience resonates with many viewers.
• The group candidly addresses the double standard and extra privacy concerns when discussing lesbian relationships, compared to straight ones.

6. Relationship Talk & Social Media DMs

Timestamps: 18:01–27:24, 35:01–36:29

• Sarah Jane gives insight into her celebrity crushes (Paige Bueckers), and the sisters share what it’s like to have DMs “blowing up” – for the first time, mostly with women.
• Miscommunications and rumors around their love lives, rosters, and social statuses are clarified with plenty of laughs and light mockery.
• Mary Holland and Ganimal discuss their own relationships, long-distance challenges, and how they’re prioritizing New York over moving for their boyfriends.
• They reaffirm not being interested in performative (or fake) relationships for clout:

  "We don’t do that. It’s real or nothing." – Amanda (37:33)

7. Birth Order & Sisterly Roles

Timestamps: 27:30–30:43

• They confirm that their personalities fit classic birth-order stereotypes, with Brooks as the “eldest” type, Ganimal describing the “middle child” invisibility, and Mary Holland as the more reserved, bookish type.

8. Sisterly Jealousy, Rivalry & Living Together

Timestamps: 29:20–38:29

• They admit to classic sibling jealousy (“room service coffee without me!”), frequent fights, yet lots of love.
• The “Brooks Program” (going everywhere Brooks goes) is discussed affectionately—sometimes feeling more like a minion than a sister.
• Disputes about rent (“Once and for all, we all pay rent!” – Gracie, 32:57) and everyday pettiness are aired with humor and honesty.

9. Relationship Crossovers, Conservative Upbringing, and Family

Timestamps: 46:37–50:22

• The sisters reveal several “Eskimo sister” situations, some humorous crossovers, and the realities of dating in a small hometown:

  “There’s only so many boys in Baton Rouge…” – Ganimal (48:13)

• Address family conservatism, the adjustment period around coming out, and which sisters are closest/text with parents most often.

10. Evolving Dreams, Identity, and Life After Reality Fame

Timestamps: 51:03–55:50

• The newfound fame is “expansive” for all their aspirations—from women’s health advocacy (Gracie, 51:40), campaigning and modeling, to Mary Holland’s new company, Marion Pip, combining fashion and finance.
• They express intent to use their reality platform for something impactful and discuss the importance of dreaming bigger than the traditional careers expected in their Louisiana community.

11. Honesty on Reality TV: Partying, Drinking, and Ozempic

Timestamps: 62:55–73:39

• The sisters candidly discuss “the drinking problem” storyline:

  “I would just get hammered, honestly, blackout… My parents, my dad was like, ‘You have to stop drinking.’ So I stopped… to prove I could do it.” – Ganimal (64:00)
  “Sobriety is so black or white... but sometimes we should just be aware maybe we’re drinking too much.” – Ganimal (64:59)

• They tackle the Ozempic storyline head-on, with honesty about use, effects, and why Brooks stays on it. The sisters agree honesty is key:

  “No one can fuck with honesty. As long as we’re authentic, we can go to sleep at night knowing we were ourselves.” – Mary Holland (68:06, 68:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Don’t let me loose on a press line. I’m not allowed to go on them anymore.” – Ganimal (07:59)
• “We compare ourselves more to the Sex and the City characters.” – Mary Holland (05:19)
• “No one can fuck with honesty.” – Mary Holland (68:06)
• “Once and for all, we all pay rent, and we pay rent fairly.” – Ganimal (32:57)
• “I think being authentic is what people are relating to.”– Amanda (67:40)
• “I was so nervous to be vulnerable… but the response that I’ve gotten from random girls being like, you made me feel more comfortable… it’s really given me strength.” – Sarah Jane (16:16)
• “Our parents are troopers… most of their shell-shockness was more damage control and the extended family down in Louisiana.” – Mary Holland (15:28)
• “There’s only so many boys in Baton Rouge.” – Ganimal (48:13)
• “We all pay rent!” – Gracie (32:57)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:04 – Amanda Hirsch introduces the Nader sisters and sets the vibe: casual, chaotic, and real.
• 03:14 – “There’s no show without three of us.” – Gracie breaks down the group dynamic.
• 05:07 – “Your own siblings... they act more like siblings than parents.”
• 07:59 – Ganimal recounts spilling the tea to E! News.
• 13:50 – Family watches the show for the first time, nipple piercings, and Southern parent shock.
• 16:16 – Sarah Jane on vulnerability and her impact on viewers.
• 27:43 – Birth order, middle child woes, and sisterly archetypes.
• 32:57 – The rent debate: “Once and for all, we all pay rent.”
• 46:43 – “Y’all are Eskimo sisters?” – Discussion of relationship crossovers.
• 64:00 – Ganimal on her drinking storyline and growth.
• 68:06 – The sisters’ pact for honesty on reality TV.
• 70:28 – Open, nuanced conversation about Ozempic and body image.

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The Nader Sisters’ Energy & Takeaways

Throughout the episode, Amanda and the sisters keep the conversation playful, raw, and quick-witted, cycling smoothly between juicy reality tea, grounded reflection, and heartfelt moments. The sisters’ chemistry is palpable—full of love and sibling rivalry, always patterning honest, open conversations about taboo topics: sexuality, mental health, body image, and money.

For listeners craving authenticity, sisterly hijinks, and a behind-the-curtains reality TV experience, this episode delivers—reminding us all that no one can “fuck with honesty.”

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Follow the Nader Sisters & Amanda:

• @NotSkinnyButNotFat on Instagram
• “Love Thy Nader” on Hulu

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Transcript

[Amanda Hirsch]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

Foreign.

Hey, hey, hey. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and today I have such a fun episode for you. So I won't do too much talking now because there's going to be so much talking in the next hour that your brain is going to explode. I usually don't love having more than one guest. I've had, like, two guests at one time. Rarely today I'm having three guests. And this is why I became obsessed with the show Love Thy Nader. I think the Nader sisters are hilarious. I think they're the new it girls. I think they're real as authentic. Putting it all out there. Oh, like giving OG reality stars. I loved having Brooks on so much that even though she threatened me to not have her sisters, but I had her sisters. So in the studio with Sarah Jane, Mary Holland, and Gracie, and also known as Ganimal. I'm one of them. I'm the fifth sister. I don't fucking. I'm just obsessed. They crack me up even as they're walking in the studio. Ganimal took the seat next to me. Then Sarah Jane arrived, and she was like, I'm sitting next to you. And then Gannimal was like, no, I was sitting there for the. It's just like. It's all happening. It's all happening. So it's gonna be a good one. Enjoy. You guys, you guys, you guys. The sisters are here. The Nader sister, Ganimal.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

She is present.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gracienne, which Ganimal is just too good to not call you Ganimal. She's sorry.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Honestly, no one needs to ever call me Gracie.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're fine with it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I'm fine with it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love Gan.

I love it, too.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Gan is good, too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gan is good, too. Sarah Jane. Sarah Jane, Mary Holland. We fudgeing. Love you, girls. Like I said, the show is fucking amazing. It caught on like wildfire.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Oh, my God, no.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, we feel it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We're so. I should get our. Get our chance in this chair.

[Mary Holland]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So excited.

[Mary Holland]

Allowed us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. But I really was scared of Brooks because she did crack some jokes when she was on my pod and she was like, you 10 are, you know my sisters? Like, are they next? Like, oh, my God, you're totally going to have that after. And, like. And I was like, is she kidding or is she not kidding?

No, she's. She's not kidding.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And she's probably shaking in her right now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But she's also, like, she better like me more still.

[Mary Holland]

You know, she'll text you after this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And ask if I like her more.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, definitely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How does that work, though? The fine line of, like. Because I think there it is fine. Because she does want you to succeed. She put you on the show with her, obviously. Like the sister show. It's a sister show.

Yeah, totally.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, there's no show with all the three of us.

[Mary Holland]

We like to remind her of that.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You do reminder of that all the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What do you say?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I say there's no show without three of us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, it wouldn't just be you.

Yeah. I think it is a fine line, though, because she's, like, obviously done, so it's her dream, the show, and she has done so much to get it and so. But obviously there wouldn't be a show if it wasn't all of us as a part of it. So I feel like it's a balance of, like, respect and, like, kissing the ring a little, but also reminding her.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That you have to kiss the ring.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You need us, too. We need to.

You're not so good at it.

She's terrible.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I've actually gotten really good at kissing the ring.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It's actually you that has the problem.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Mary Holland]

Well, it's different every week.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I think she's the most competitive with you.

Yeah.

Like, might see you as a little bit of a threat to the throne.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because when she was on my part, I said, what if one of them gets more. More famous than you? And she said, I would love that. Like, I really love that. Who do you think it's going to be? Sarah Jane?

Yeah, I think it's. I'm figuring it out. I'm figuring out where the line is.

[Mary Holland]

I stay out of it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You need to sit down with the Kardashians.

I know.

Like, we honestly should. Like, an episode of their show or. Your show needs to be a. First of all. Both. Blue.

There was. Yeah, it was a crossover. We had a little moment, one at the Hulu event with Chloe and Scott.

Right.

Yeah. And they were filming and we were filming.

Right. I think it's so wild to watch them where, you know, like, how it all started. But you also know they each have their own careers.

Yeah.

Totally separate from her. But they still, like, give her the respect. But they might not anymore.

Yeah, right.

Chloe kind of does. Wait, so who's the Chloe? Like, who's the K. The. Well, the Kim is the Kim Brooks.

I feel like it's like, it's so hard to compare it to that. We, like, our family dynamic is just so different, like with our parents and everything. It's like our parents are also low key, like siblings, because they're so young and, like, so fun.

Your own siblings. I thought, like, they are siblings.

[Mary Holland]

They look like each other, though.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I feel like. So there's a totally different dynamic. And like, I don't know. It's hard.

[Mary Holland]

We compare ourselves more to the Sex.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And the City characters. Yeah, we do, historically.

Who's who there?

[Mary Holland]

So I always thought I was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, you're Charlotte.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, everyone says I'm Charlotte.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I was Carrie, and Now people on TikTok are saying I'm Samantha Brooks is Carrie. You're Chart. You're Charlotte.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They said I'm Miranda, but that's just because she's gay in the second.

I don't like this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think you're Sex in the City characters. Like, maybe Mary Holly's a Charlotte, but that's really actually it. Yeah, it's exactly it.

[Mary Holland]

We're like n alone.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, we're one kind.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're one of.

What can we say?

But what's happening with the living situation right now?

Take it away, ladies.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We are about to be all together in the West Village. They have, like, a month left on their lease.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so you're living together now?

So we are all living together still in the West Village? Yeah, we moved from the Soho apartment, that crazy apartment. We moved out of that one. And we're all together now in a town.

Sarah Jane, I feel like you're making this up. You're, like, doing all these eyes left and right now.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Living in the W. They had a. So they have a month left on their lease.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it's a slow move.

Yeah, Sarah Jane.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So they're slowly for me and I don't know.

Why is it so confusing? Who cares? So you're living with Mary Holland?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you're with Brooke?

Yeah, but I'm moving out and like.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

They'Re moving in over the next.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Moving in.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, they're really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why did you.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

As long as they can.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We still have together. We still have our old place.

Oh, you had it before the show.

[Mary Holland]

We had it before the show. We kept it through the show. We have a sick Covid deal and I just like can't give that up. Honestly, I think I'm still. To keep it downtown.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it a two bed?

[Mary Holland]

It's a two bed, two bath, doorman, the whole nine. And like we've had this deal since COVID Brooks and her ex husband actually lived there. So she doesn't like to come downtown.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, she passed it down to you?

[Mary Holland]

She passed it down, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. So now we're like, mom and dad might take a room.

[Mary Holland]

We're just going to try to keep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Place but go back to living all together.

[Mary Holland]

Correct.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you're the one that stayed with Brooks. That's interesting.

Yeah, it's an interesting pair.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You wouldn't think. You wouldn't think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, based on season one.

Right?

And I say season one because like, duh, there's gonna be a season two. And the cameras better be rolling right now with all the drama with opening your. So. Okay.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Opening my goddamn loud mouth. I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You confirming by the way, the headline cracked me up because it was like, gracie Ann confirms exclusively to E. News. And I'm like, whoa.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, not like overheard saying, might have spilled it.

Yeah, yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

The amount of messages and I got of my friends being like, did you call E. News?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, what happened then? What? What? Break it down.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, don't let me loose on a press line. I'm not allowed to go on them anymore.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Basically, like when you're hungover. To be fair, that was like, I wasn't even hungover.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I had traveled. I was not hungover at all. I traveled the day before.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That was Kane's.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

There was no excuse. I know. I had just gotten back from Florida.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That night one time, went through the press line, did the photo.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

She asked me what happened.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

But she came in late and we saw her from behind and we're like, oh, God. She like looked tired and was.

[Mary Holland]

And they were asking us questions that we knew Grace.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And I'm not going to say I was too tired or hungover.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so you didn't answer. You got. You got the same question.

Who's Brooke?

Stating what's happening.

[Mary Holland]

What's happening with these?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you like, straight up, you were like, alcaraz.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, truthfully, what happened is I'm doing the press line and the girl goes. The news girl goes, your sister said you could answer this. So I was like, oh, okay. She said I could. And they're like, is she dating Carlos Alcaraz? And I was like, I Didn't say that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She was.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I never said his name.

[Mary Holland]

You were like, there's some tennis balls.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I said, I think he's the man of the hour.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Exclusively.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It's hard for me to not forget. I have a report.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The reporter said that. She said.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Brooke said, you can answer this.

[Mary Holland]

Well, because she was talking about us. Because we. She asked us the question, and we were like, well, we're not Grace Anne. Like, maybe she'll answer.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And so I took it as permission.

[Amanda Hirsch]

To answer, but also, to be fair, she. You didn't really confirm or deny anything specific. It was more like they ran with it. For sure.

They ran with it.

I don't know. Confirmed. Yes. And we were like, oh, my God.

What happened with Brooks?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So. Okay, well, I'll. Okay, so I have a permanent beta blocker, is what my sisters say. Like, I have no filter, and I live with Brooks, and so it's hard for me to pretend like, I don't see things or hear things or witness things firsthand.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And so I just want to pretend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

In front of the world.

So I'm like.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I really part is that I truly thought I was being discreet and, like, Sly and keeping by saying, he's the man of the hour, but I can't confirm dating. I thought I was being so discreet. And then I was like, killed it. Crushed it. I get in the car for my next Fashion Week event, phones blowing up, and I was like, holy shit. And I just put my phone away. I was like, oh, my God. I'm, like, gonna wait for the call.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And Lee, our publicist, called me first and was like, you fucking idiot. And I was like, oh, my God. And then I just put my phone in my purse for the rest of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did she really block you? She told me she blocked you. She blocked me, but. But here's the thing. Here's how funny you guys are, because I'm an idiot, too. And the day that it happened, even though I'm a pop culture queen, I wasn't really that aware because, like, I heard she was dating Sinner, and I was like, fine, it's Alcarez. Like, it didn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then that's the day I thought of having you guys on my show.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You should have had us on a day earlier. I would have confirmed it to you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I swear. But I swear in my life, it had. It didn't have to do with that because I wouldn't have text Brooks that day.

Right. Yeah.

She's like, crazy. But I was like, hey, Like, I'm dead. I need to have the sisters on. And she was like, I'm so mad at Ganimal right now, like, telling me. And I was like, oh, that's what's happening right now. Could you connect me?

You're like, perfect.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, no way.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What's her daughter.

But what was so funny was like, she's like, she's blocked right now, but hold on, I'll connect you. And then she, like, does it.

And I'm like, exactly.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

She didn't speak to me for a while, and then it was. She was going on Andy Cohen's show and our publicist was like, we need you to go on the show and, like, sit in the mic. Sit in the audience mic. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this is gonna be the death of me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

But after that, we made up aposties again.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How do you. Is she gonna make you sign an NDA at some point?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I'm not signing an NDA. Are you kidding me?

[Amanda Hirsch]

You can't shut down.

Here's my question to you. Did she kind of like that you kind of confirmed it?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Can't confirm, but can't deny.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

My argument was there's worse things to be plotted out for true.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, it feels like she did enjoy the aftermath of being like, yeah, too. A guy can do it.

[Mary Holland]

Like, I mean, she crushed that answer.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And there's some hilarious memes coming out. They're putting her on the COVID of Challengers with the two guys. You know the Zendaya cover I'm talking about.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So that's good.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I show her that, like, this is positive.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You look wonderful.

[Mary Holland]

They chose a great pick.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah. Someone made a chat GPT edit.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, God, that's so serious.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I have to show it to you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I hate how ChatGPT makes everyone AI though. Can they make, like, the people and then just add the thing?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Keep us.

Crazy.

[Mary Holland]

It's been like one of those new video AI.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It worked in her favor because she looks hot af. Oh, she loves AI person's amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Her AI robots.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So there's been some positives.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

But I'm trying to.

[Mary Holland]

It's been a. Now it's a running joke.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so how has it been since the show blew up and everyone is.

[Mary Holland]

Like, it's so much fun, honestly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, we've just been, like, together non stop since we filmed, which we filmed pretty recently. We finished in, like, what?

I know. I love that. I love that it Was a faster.

Yeah, it was so quite so great.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

All of those storylines are, like, still going and everything in real life. And so it's like, we've just been having so much drama because we've been spending all of our time together and, like, doing a press tour. It's been so weird.

[Mary Holland]

Like, one person, the other. I'm so bad with names already. Like, I always just pretend like I know you, because who knows if we met? So people will stop us in the street now and be like, hey. And I'm like, oh, my God, girl, I miss you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I miss you.

[Mary Holland]

She's like, no, we haven't met yet.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, we've never met. And I'm like, okay.

[Mary Holland]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So that's definitely been the weirdest, is.

That you're like, Southern hospitality. Yeah.

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

We can't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You guys are so sweet now. I'm like, thinking, are you fudging being fake to me?

Oh, shut up.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Totally.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm like, mary Holland told me she missed me when we met. No, I'm just kidding.

You didn't.

You didn't, you didn't, you didn't. After the show premiered, your parents were a little shell shocked by what they saw. The nipple piercing.

Yeah, we, like, watched it all for the first time together and. Or the first few episodes at least. And my dad. There's one scene where they're like. It's me being like, oh, yeah. Our parents taught us that if you have sex before marriage, you'll go to hell. And my dad's sitting there. We have a video of him, and he's just like, it's true. He was just, like, watching me get my nipples spirit. The whole thing was like, a new level of, like, no boundaries with our parents. But they are such troopers and they're so supportive. They, like, want to come to New York. They're coming to New York next week. Like, we saw them two weeks ago. They were.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

They don't stay away. They want to be scared of.

[Mary Holland]

They want to be part of our agents. They're like, when's WME calling me?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. What do you want to do?

[Mary Holland]

So our dad's hair is real. There's been no hair, right?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Chronic knee?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, it's somebody yesterday. By the way, I've been talking about the show, like, everywhere. I love everyone. I love bro. And I was like, bro. It was like, the dad. And I was like, oh, my God. That's how you pronounce.

Yeah.

I am obsessed.

[Mary Holland]

It's like, go Tigers with a B.

[Amanda Hirsch]

R. I need to, like, The Cajun spell. Yeah.

Like, you need to name one of your babies.

I know. We always.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I'm dying to name a baby bro.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But yours, Bro Junior. Yeah, but what?

She has a second.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I have. I'm. Yeah, my boyfriend is a second. So I think we have to have a third. And, you know, there's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't get the.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

To the second. The third. You know what I mean? How you can be, like, what you're.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Going to have to have so you don't want it to be bro, the first.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I feel like bro is such a different vibe of a name. There's only one bro.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So your parents are in on it? They want to.

[Mary Holland]

They're in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're just game for anything. They're game.

[Mary Holland]

I think most of their shell shockness was more damage control. And the extended family down in Louisiana.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They get it already. It's more like.

Yeah, they're totally, like, our biggest supporters.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, and I think this show was one of the less surprising things that my parents have gone through.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what I mean?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, the nipple piercings, the. I mean, there's lesbian of it all and all of that stuff. It's like, there's been other things that are more upsetting to them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, not that the parents.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Not that that was upsetting at all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Good job. Good job.

By the way, let's talk about the love that Sarah fucking Jane is getting.

[Mary Holland]

Oh, my God. She's the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Don't you oh, stop me.

[Mary Holland]

No, she's killing you love.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She. She's, like, pretending to humble.

Honestly. Like, I was so nervous to, like, be vulnerable and, like. Like, I'm pretty, like, private. I feel like of the scissors, I'm the most shy, probably.

Yeah.

And so I was so nervous, like, even in interviews, like, it's, like, eight hours of, like, just asking questions, and it's, like, so personal. And I was so nervous for that to be, like, shared with everybody. But the response that I've gotten from, like, random girls being like, you made me feel more comfortable. I live in a conservative family, and, like, it, like, has really given me strength. And I'm like. I didn't even realize that that was, like, possible to have that impact. And I was here sitting like, oh, I'm not, like, gay enough to, like, be part of that community, but I'm not straight enough to be, like. So I was like, I don't know where I fall. And, like, sharing it has honestly made me so much more comfortable.

Yeah.

Because I'm like, oh, people relate to this. Like, it's not Just me. And it's been such a great experience.

[Mary Holland]

Amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Where do you. How do you feel about it now? Like, as opposed to how you were talking about it on the show where you don't. You don't feel like you fall here and you don't.

I feel like I have, like, taken off the pressure from myself to identify and, like. Like, buy or like, right. Like, whatever it is. I've kind of realized that, like, I don't have to decide.

You don't have to.

And it's fine to be, like, in this middle and just to be honest about that and vulnerable about it. It's, like, refreshing, I think, to people.

And I feel like you probably turned a lot of straight girls gay.

[Mary Holland]

Oh, my God, 100.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm telling you, the messages that I got, like, about Sarah Jane, and then, like, tick tock. Like, have you ever seen a more beautiful human? We all are gorgeous, by the way. Obviously.

[Mary Holland]

No, but everyone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I feel like also, you being gorgeous. Yes. You being gorgeous. And, like, you're into girls. The girls are like, oh, it's like.

I could do it. But I will say I don't think I'm, like, turning them gay. I think, like, that was already okay. But I'm honored to be.

But they're down to, like, I think, you know, the straight girls that are down.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

I'm sure. You know, I'm sure.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I think they're like, oh, wait, if this is an option within the gay community.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, I'm honored.

I'm like, what are the dms like? I mean, I like, Are guys hitting on you?

Yeah, yeah. But, like, it's mostly girls, which I'm like, wow. Normally it's the opposite. It's like, all dudes. I'm like, what are girls? Is pick up lines kind of cute? Like, it's like. But it's kind of boring, too. It's like, I'm gonna take you for a drink. And I'm like, yeah, okay. But, like, yeah, I mean, that's a.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Normal request, but I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know.

There have. I know, but there has to be a vibe before the drink, you know, like. Yeah.

Also, I'm now thinking, because I, like, I'd never gotten, like, a lot of, like, random dms of people, like, hitting on me. And, like, I've, like, sent one or two dms to, like, Celebrity Crushes, where I'm like, I just want to see. And I'll just be like, hi, with two eyes, thinking I'm all, like, cheeky and cute. And I'm like, I would hi with the.

Looking to the side of Ottawa.

Like, hi with a bunch of eyes.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That would be wild.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The eyeballs.

[Mary Holland]

Hi.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Hi.

Wait. But kind of cute.

No, I actually like that.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I don't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You would just write hi, hi, thinking.

That they would be like, wow, I'm gonna respond. I would never respond to hi.

We'll be right back after the break. I'm not saying that I used to be bad with money, but I'm not saying that I, like, know whatever is going on in my account or like that I'm just on top of it. I'm really, really not. Thank God I have my husband who takes care of that stuff. Because if not, like, I wouldn't know if money's coming in, going out. If there was a false chart, like, nothing would. Nothing would be known on my end. Okay. Enter Chime. Chime is a banking app that actually feels like it's on your side. There are no monthly fees, no minimum balance, and you can get paid up to two days early. Okay? When you set up direct deposit, which is super fun, instead of waiting for like the 1st or the 10th of the month whenever your salary comes in, you're like, nope, I get it. Two days early. You can pretend to be rich before rent it. Okay? They also send you instant transaction alerts. So if you buy something dumb at 2:00am, like a 200 cashmere top, okay. 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Yeah, I'm embarrassed to say.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Just say it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So Paige Beckers, the basketball player.

Okay, maybe you know, basketball players.

Yeah.

You're into basketball. I mean, for the. For the girls.

For the right reason. For the right reason. Yeah. He's super. Such a vibe.

Did she answer?

Girlfriend. Oh, and I think. I think it's this whole thing on Tik Tok that people are like, are they dating? Are they not? And I really got into it. But they're really cute. But I do have a crush on her.

Oh, so she has a girlfriend.

Yes. Okay. I don't know.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It's actually really warning to the girlfriend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Paige Beckers. Yeah, yeah, I know who she is.

Okay.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Kind of moments.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Showed everybody, by the way. I'm like, guys partly because of her. Yeah.

But maybe she showed you.

I know. Well, yeah, she actually. I talk about her sometimes, so that's.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Probably your for you page. And then. Well, no, we talk about our for you pages and her entire for your pages page checkers. And it's like fan edits of her dunking and stuff. And I'm like, you're obsessed with.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you want to be a wag?

I mean, I'm down. But also with Paige. Her girlfriend is super beautiful and amazing and we're Instagram friends. So, like, I don't want to like. Okay, Step on any chance they're really cute if they're dating or if they're friends. I can't really tell.

And if she could get an answer, that be great. So you also said something weird like you and Mary Holland are single.

Yeah, I say that for no reason. The credibility.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I was a little bit out of it. That Day I was. I told y', all, clearly, we are not single. This is what I was trying to say. And it was totally.

[Mary Holland]

I make.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Just did not come across and get my point across. They said, what does you and Mary Holland's roster look like? And I said, our roster is the same single as in a single person on the roster.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It doesn't make our roster. Me and Mar. Our roster is the same single player on the roster.

There's a single person on. I can't believe you.

It doesn't be anything.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I'm like, never crazy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I got blown up that way.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You have a breakdown.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did your boyfriend's care that you said that?

He doesn't.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Luckily my boyfriend doesn't tune into this kind of stuff.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

But no, I got a million messages.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you going to. First of all, I would love for you not to control your mouth, but do you think you will get better at it?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I don't. It's so hard to say because sometimes I don't think I love the reaction. You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Like, when everyone's like.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah. I just. I don't think I can physically.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And I always say the wrong.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Remind me. The. The birth order. Brooks, me, you, Grayson, Grayson, and then you. And do you feel like you guys fit those roles?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

I think y' all do, too.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Even being the third child, middle children totally understand. You're constantly looked over and, like, people just forget about you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is.

Yeah.

I don't know.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, that's it for me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know if I was looked over. No. But I know that's what they say about middle children. That's why we're like.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That's why I'm like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Everyone's too much of a personality to be looked over, though.

So maybe I did that. Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Maybe that's why, like, saying, wow, that's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So sad for us.

[Mary Holland]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But if you're four, then they're like two middle.

[Mary Holland]

So we're total different middles. We, like, represent different middles.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

I'm much more quiet and reserved and, like, I was always behind a book growing up and, like, hiding and like, playing sports. And Grace Ann was much more like, probably. You are like, in your face.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

Big personality.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

During the pod.

[Mary Holland]

During the pod.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But Brooks. Does Brooks give.

Eldis is like her own beast of prison. Yeah.

She does give Eld.

[Mary Holland]

She gives Elvis.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She does. But she takes care of, like, her own thing.

Yeah.

Like, she was always just like an abnormal child in the best way. You know what I mean? Like, my parents were like, what do we. What do we do here?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Her and I used to go at it too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We used to fight. Oh, my God. Terribly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you still do.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We still do. But I will say we are a lot better now because as a sister.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Beauties can be like, the best.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thing ever. And I think watching your show, I have two sisters. It made me want, like one more, you know?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Part of the show, you're like, like, I want to be four sisters. And it's so fun. Like, if you don't have this one, you have that one.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Right, Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you always kind of have someone, but it's also like, so much drama all the time. Yeah. Especially if you live close.

Yeah.

So you guys get jealous, like, not career stuff, but, like, sister stuff. Like, Brooks is hanging out with Ganimal more. You're like, can you get jealous, like, if you don't invite her? But she invited her.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Absolutely. Even just, just, just a couple days ago, we were in la and me and Brooks and Sarah Jane were staying together and they like, slept together every night. I would wake up in the morning and they would have room service coming in with coffees for them. And I'm like, you didn't ask me if I want to call. Just in the room next door, by the way. It was like a suite.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, and they. Three of them were sleeping together?

Yeah. But by the way, when we're arriving to la, Gracie Ann goes, you're sleeping with her. I've spent.

Wait, she still can't sleep alone in the bed.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So living in the townhouse. I sleep with her every night.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She gets jealous and plays victim and is like, why are y' all sleeping together? Okay.

But by the way, was just mad about. I might have wanted my own bed.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I wanted.

[Mary Holland]

I'm always in the camp of own bed.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It wasn't sleeping together dependent on the sleeping together thing.

Like, really that.

Cuz I like, lived with her in la and then when we go, like, travel and everything, she's like, sleep with me. I'm like, fine, whatever. I'll wake up one day.

Does she sleep small, like, or like, are you guys like.

No, we don't. We don't. Like, no.

No. Because like, sleeping with someone is something to get used to. You know, there are people that take over the bed. Like, like. Or, you know, the person is like a small sleeper.

Yeah, we both sleep super small. Oh, you sleep with our little binkies? Yeah, we just away from each other.

Oh, okay. So still. But when she was on the pod she was saying that you guys had kind of, like a rough fur summer.

Me and her? Yeah, like, fighting.

She said, like, that you were just, like, together a lot. And there was like.

We were together for, like, two months.

Was it Europe?

Yes.

Yes.

All over Europe. And it was just like. I mean, we had the best time, but we. It was literally just us two, like, going everywhere, and we've just got, like, sick of each other.

You got sick of each other?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, Sarah Jane's been on the Brooks Program for about a year and a half now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What does the Brooks Program mean?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Just going with her everywhere. Like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like her minion.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And then when she was on Dancing with the Stars, she moved to LA.

[Amanda Hirsch]

With her because I was in LA agency and I was working out there, and it made sense for me and, like, that kind of thing. She wanted me to move with her.

What do you think?

Raytheon thinks I'm her little bitch. And, like.

Really? You do?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, I do think you're her little, like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What?

She doesn't.

She doesn't speak up for herself?

Yeah, enough.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Exactly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I do.

But maybe she's just that type of person.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I think she is. And I. And I'm the type of person.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's Right.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I think she's a Passover, but, I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Mean, she's the type of person that doesn't, like, love confrontation and fighting about everything.

Yeah.

And it's more agreeable, like, you know.

But also, like, with the la.

Other people.

Yeah, with the LA thing, it's like, I. It was a great opportunity for me to go live in la, in this insane house that I was never gonna go, put myself up in a hotel, like, to spend time with my agency out there. So it was more.

Also rich. You know what, Ganimal, you're being a little jelly.

Exactly.

Why the fuck wouldn't she? No, I went to la.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I spent so much time in la, too. I'm giving you shit. Which is a good thing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She gets to, like, do her career. She wants to be a model. She's trying la. Like, it makes sense.

Exactly.

And she's saying there's a fine line between, like. Like, you know, having to kiss the ring and stay good and be like, okay, I'm not gonna pick a fight.

Right.

This house.

Yeah, totally.

Are you guys paying for the apartment?

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

It's easy split four ways.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. She literally said it wasn't.

Oh, this.

[Mary Holland]

We weren't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She said you weren't.

Okay. She is a. She's a liar and a cheat. That's not True.

Okay.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

This is something I think, people.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She said that you guys are gonna say that you did because you guys have so much on her that she. She can't negate that.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That is not true. Once and for all, we all pay rent, and we pay rent fairly. And so even with this townhouse that we live in now, she's like, you're drinking my water. Living in my house. I'm like, first of all, I pay for my room, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But maybe. Okay. Because it's not, like, even then she thinks it's not okay.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, yeah, it's not even. But also, it's a sliding scale, everyone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like.

Townhouse now. Now.

Yeah, I know.

[Mary Holland]

We upgrade it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God, That Soho apartment was insane. Yeah, insane.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

The townhouse is amazing that we love having a little outdoor space.

[Mary Holland]

There's like, oh, my gosh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's another fine line thing, though. When she was like, who wants to live in the townhouse with me? Like, just us two for a while, I was like, I'm not gonna do this because I don't want to be told. I'm drinking your water, and I don't want to be told, like, you're in my house.

Right?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Hilarious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm drinking on it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And then Sarah Jane's gonna live in the townhouse now you're not. And I said, first of all, it's not true. I just toured the townhouse, signed all the papers. My name's on the lease.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, are four names on the lease right now?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, it's me and Brooks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, it's you right now. And you're gonna slowly move in.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, yeah, there's rooms for us, so we're.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What about the boyfriends, though?

[Mary Holland]

So my boyfriend's in la, so it kind of is perfect.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And your boyfriend is. Florida.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

My boyfriend's in Florida. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But what's gonna. Like, what's the plan? So you guys were thinking about.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, Everyone was asking, and honestly, I always tell him I love New York. There's a big age gap. So he's 39 and I'm 26. So he's, like, settled in his career and doing all things. I'm like, grind mode. And New York is the place to do that. I've told him, like, babe long. Just like, bicoastal is the way to go now. I'm not moving anywhere for a man. I think on the show, I was like, oh, maybe, you know, it'll be fun because, like, super honeymoon. And we still are. Honeymoon, obviously.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But how long have you been together?

[Mary Holland]

A year. Yeah, just Over a year. So now I'm just like. Like, we're building our careers here. I'm starting a business here. It's like, we can always. There's always time. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And now the one.

[Mary Holland]

Right now I do, but the girls know I fall really hard.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So, like, do you guys think she's gonna marry him?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I think you're gonna marry him. Really?

[Mary Holland]

So in love with him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I could see it.

Really? And what about you?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

My boyfriend's younger. He's 28.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So her boyfriend's the royal?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Actually, he's the royal, but he's, like, super loaded.

Your guy.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

He's. Yeah. I mean, he's. He's fine, but he's young. He's 28, so I'm not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's not stressed.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I'm not, like, let me move in or let me. You know, we're not, like, there.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But why. They made it sound on the show like, you, like, want to be a Florida housewife.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, I. That's not my goal, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

They were saying that because I was spending a lot of time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

There. But I will.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She doesn't, like, give it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I don't give that at all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She doesn't. She doesn't at all. But I think this is what was mis.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Misunderstood. In the beginning of a relationship, you have to put in a little extra effort and time. You know what I mean? So the first year we were dating, I was going to visit all the time, like, locking it down, making sure that we, you know, had a good foundation.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And now you can, like.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And now I'm like, I'm gonna stay in New York and work. And he's like, that's fine. He comes up and visits me all the time, so I'm not moving.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Anytime my boyfriend's worried about your life and everything.

[Mary Holland]

I don't think. Because, again, they don't. Neither of them tune into this kind of stuff.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Mary Holland]

Kind of perfect. So they don't know how much you know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah. I don't. My boyfriend's not worried.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's like, are you getting guys sliding into your DMs?

[Mary Holland]

I mean, there's always going to be guys sliding into every girl's dm.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, no, I'm. None are in line.

Oh, shut up.

I swear, I don't believe you for a second.

I do know.

Trying to be funny, you guys.

It totally is.

I am not even.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

There's no way.

[Amanda Hirsch]

There's at least a few.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, Amanda, what's your.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Husband there? That doesn't Listen to this. So anyway, my time is. No, but it'd be nice to get some recognition on these streets. But I feel like I don't give it. It's like hav. Like I'm just not. Stop looking at yourself again.

I'm trying to see if my.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

If this angle suits me or not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And I just got this belt.

[Amanda Hirsch]

All the angle to you.

Stop looking at yourself.

Am I not a Nader?

You are such a Nater.

I'm a blonde Nater.

[Mary Holland]

We needed you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm gonna slide into your dms.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, we're all gonna slide in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Maybe y'. All.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Maybe y' all should have a fake relationship that'll spark a fake.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, like a.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, post together or something.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, we don't do that. It's real or nothing.

I know. Was it real? The ones on the show that you've had? That you had? Yeah, that like you had like two. Two. Two girls on the show?

Yes.

And they were for realsies.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, it was very like when you took home. Yes. Well, so she was my friend first. And like, we are still friends. It was just like that blurred line that I think a lot of like, queer girls experience where it's like, are we more than friends? Like, is this about.

Because you're like, touchy feely but like, you don't know.

And we're both very free spirited, but ultimately we're friends. But it was. She was great coming home and like, she had the best time at home. It was like, it was so fun. But yeah, I don't know. I think I'm figuring out my love life. These girls.

[Mary Holland]

She's also 23, so, like, all the time in the world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

All the time. There is something so mature about Sarah Jane 100. I think out of like, even though all of you are. Sarah Jane's the best. No.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, the way he's gonna kill you is just like, oh, my God. Just wiser than your years. Honestly, that is like the best compliment because I do like, 23. Like, I sound dumb now, but, like, imagine how I sounded at 23.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, try for a second, guys. It was crazy. And you just, just. Even the way you speak, I'm like, jealous of it.

Oh, my God.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So well spoken.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right? She's so.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

For advice. I always have, like, yeah, watch these.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Girls, like, go through so much and I feel like it just teaches you a lot. But I don't feel well spoken or, like, wise. Like, when I was doing my interviews, I was so insecure about how I sounded.

And like, all sounded amazing.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You sounded so good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thank you.

Are you good at like, texting and emails too, just so we know?

No, no, I'm not good at texting at all. I'm kind of the worst text.

Kind of the worst.

I text these people girls, and that's like it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Your texts don't make sense ever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, they don't.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I'll read it and just be like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It'S like the weirdest, most spastic shit. And then I won't reply for like, days. And then I'm like, like, it doesn't make sense.

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This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. And we're back. You guys. Why did I see somewhere that you're. I know. Gross. Prepare Eskimo sisters.

Which ones?

[Mary Holland]

Not too great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Not all of you.

Several crossovers.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Not all of us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Y' all are. And we're Eskimo sisters.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You and Brooks are Eskimo sisters?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I think me and Brooks are Eskimo sisters. It doesn't matter. You and I are not really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who would I. We do not have the same type girl.

No.

[Mary Holland]

But if we are, it's usually a guy that we didn't really care about that much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So there's not someone, like.

[Mary Holland]

There's no one major.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Have you ever been interested in the same guy?

Yeah. Me and you. Oh, yeah, we have.

[Mary Holland]

Dan got a little jealous.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Had some serious, like, crossover.

Really?

We spent a lot of time together this summer, and there was just a lot.

Say something about this summer.

There's a lot of. Yeah, but we.

What do you mean? What's happening? No, a lot of what?

A lot of.

Yeah, like, a lot of. Wait, a lot.

There's a lot.

A lot of actual stuff happening or a lot of, like, you're both like, oh, he's hot. He's hot.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Stuff happening. I would say.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

There's been a lot going on for.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The both of them. I think it says more about the guys, though, of like. Like, somebody will, like, hook up with one of us, and then it's like they immediately try with the next, and you're like, oh, oh.

But then one of you should be like, oh, you hooked up with my sister?

Sometimes you don't know that until after the fact. And then. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, not personally, but it happened.

[Mary Holland]

Have you and your sisters ever had any crossover?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you insane?

Or a crush?

[Mary Holland]

How close in age are you guys?

[Amanda Hirsch]

We're five years apart. My other sister is two. But always so different, right?

The people that you like.

The people us. The people that we like.

Yeah.

It doesn't. I mean, is this happening in Baton Rouge?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah. There's only so many boys in Baton Rouge.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Friends in Baton Rouge. But, like, never y'. All. Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

Never us.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, it never happened.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Everybody's our cousins in Baton Rouge.

Literally, party was like, everyone was family, cousins.

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It's like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And what is the vibe? Is it really that, like, conservative? They're not with it now, with what's going on with the young?

[Mary Holland]

Pretty conservative.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I Would say, I think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah. We have, have like, we have like 30 cousins and they're all amazing and we have great relationships with them. It's just like, like our mom was raised very conservative and religious. And so like when I came out, there was an adjustment period where she was like, wait a second. Like, this is not what I expected for you. Whatever. And so I think there's just a lot of people are raised differently down there and us moving to New York even is like, my God, the big city. Like, it's crazy. And so we love them and we have great relationships. It's just there are some things that like, like are not topics of conversation, you know, which is what it is.

Do you think your parents are going to move here? I mean, you're all together.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We're hoping for a split time situation to ease them in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Who's the closest with them? Who texts them the most, calls them the most?

We all.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I talk to mom every day.

[Mary Holland]

I talk to my dad every day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you do? You're a daddy's girl.

[Mary Holland]

Yes, I am.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Somebody's calling bro. What? That sounds uncle.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right, right, right. You're right.

Daddy's good.

Daddy's girl doesn't say. Your dad does look so young.

[Mary Holland]

He does, does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

We can't say that with him. But I'm a friend of my father.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, I'm a friend of my father. I'm dead.

Wait, do you call your dad?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I call my dad.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Yeah.

I call my mom more, but I call my dad.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I probably talk to my dad every other day and my mom every day sometimes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Probably just so entertained.

No.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, never.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Imagine, like just getting phone calls, hearing the drama. Like, that's what's so fun about having girls they like.

I mean, it's a. They're watching the reality show every single.

[Mary Holland]

Day and they call us with ideas for the show. They're like, no, I thought of the best little bit we could do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, they're all in it.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, they're all in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're all like a producer, basically. No, that was so funny. You gotta have him on the show. I know. He would be, bro. He would be the most.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I don't know. We're gonna seriously give him some parameters before that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so the show takes off. Everyone knows you now. Has anybody changed with this, this extra fame? Has it gotten to anyone's head?

We're not like Beyonce vibes.

Okay.

Right. We're like, still our same old.

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

Under 100 day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We all have no followers.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Follow them you guys follow them. I don't feel like we cheap out nowadays on following.

True. We do. I don't feel like anybody's. I mean, we haven't. I don't think she's looking at herself in this things because I'm not sure.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I like my turtleneck.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She likes that feeling. Well, I told you. I told you.

I'm actually second guessing my favorite look.

It's a good look.

Really?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Because I look clean.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but like getting the love. Sarah Jane DM's blowing up.

Yeah.

Getting more campaigns, signing with a big agency.

Like, I feel like it's made me like, just like see what we can do. And like the, like, possibilities have just expanded, like meeting with our agents and everything. I'm like, like I. I'm not limiting my dreams really anymore. I'm like, oh, this is really something that can like be a huge thing. And so I feel like it's just like taking the lid off of our.

Dreams of like, what is the dream now?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, if I feel like being. Realizing how much attention the show has gotten, I just wake up every day and I'm so grateful. And then I'm like, this is amazing, this opportunity. And then next I think, what am I going to do with it? And not that will actually move the needle some way kind of difference. I mean, I really. I have my master's in public health and I've been really passionate about women's healthcare equity. It's such a problem, especially in the New York area. So we're working to get involved with nonprofits and kind of enter that space heavily and then who knows where it can take you? You know, I feel like you meet one person who introduces you to another person, and just being in New York and being able to network is such a gift.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you still want to model?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, I still want to model. And mainly modeling has, you know, given me some extra cash through my masters. And living in New York, it's obviously expensive. We all support our own lives, right. And I do want to model. I want to book all the good campaigns and do all that. But it's never been my. I didn't grow up being like, I want to be a supermodel. You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. And Sarah, did you.

Yeah, not really. I mean, I. I think like in middle school, once I saw Brooks living in New York, I was like, oh my God, I want to Wait.

You were in middle school when she moved to New York?

I think so. Or no, I wasn't. I was in. You were in high school?

Yeah, yeah.

And I visited her and I was like, oh, my God, I want to do this. Like, this is so cool and fun. I want to be in the magazines and on the billboards. But I think. I think, think, like, I'm still figuring out, like, my exact specific dream. I feel like we are all kind of taking a beat and being like. Because we're so grateful for, like, the response from the show and being like, how can we use this?

Don't take a beat, but.

No, not take a beat, but we can afford it to take a minute to think about, like, how we can use it to, like, do something impactful. Because there's so many reality shows and different things where. Or people with platforms that, like, don't really harness that for good. And there's so much going on in the world. So I think we're all, like, like, strategizing as sisters, how to, like, maximize the impact and, like, just the effect of our show in general.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We also don't come from Hollywood or don't come from this world at all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, everyone in our hometown.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, everyone in our hometown. Like, if you're successful, you're a doctor or a lawyer. Or a lawyer, basically. So I always wanted to be a doctor, but now our eyes have just opened to so many different possibilities of what you can do with your life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're going to take this and you're going to run with it.

Exactly.

You really have to. And what about you? My micro.

[Mary Holland]

Micro retiree. Yes. Actually have kind of a full plan. I know. Like Sergey was saying, I'm currently starting a company, Mary and Pip, to kind of make finance cool again. Bring fashion and finance, combine them. So follow that on Instagram.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Marion Pip.

[Mary Holland]

Marian Pip.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is that what you started working on the show?

Yes.

[Mary Holland]

So the idea was a little bit different on the show. I mean, people forget that, like, I quit my job on the show and then had this idea and then also was filming a reality TV show. So I was very overwhelmed with the. Those life changes. I was 26 and, like, not knowing what I wanted to do, like, three.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Months ago, back when I was 26.

[Mary Holland]

And still 26, by the way. But I think that to Sarah Jane's point, when the show came out and I realized that a lot of people don't know what to do with their finance and feel dumb by corporate America and feel stupid by banks. Like, I was like, oh, my gosh, there is. I have a platform and I can teach people.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, no, that's amazing.

[Mary Holland]

You know what I mean? So I think that's that since the show came out, if anything, it gave me validation because, you see, on the show, my idea, everyone was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, am I dumb? Am I gonna, like, ever start a company? And then when the show came out, I'm getting a lot of DMS more. So, like, it resonated me with me. Let me know when your app is out. Like, I can't wait.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Itching for that thing.

[Mary Holland]

So it's been very validating so far.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you feel like you're out of the sisters the least into this, like, public facing life?

[Mary Holland]

I think so. But I will say I think I have a different, like, view when it comes to the public facing. Like, I'm working on starting a podcast for the financial literacy space. I write a lot on Substack, so I. I love to be on my own side of the media. Makes sense.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you did. You were doing a little bit of the modeling.

[Mary Holland]

Oh, that's true.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

So the modeling is a little bit, for me, like, more of a cash flow.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

And it definitely helps with my creative side because a lot of Marion Pip is bringing culture into the finance space. And so. So modeling just helps me keep my finger on the pulse.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Well, I love that.

Yeah.

And also, like, one less to compete with.

Exactly.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

I feel like that's.

I. I think she is.

No, no.

Like, at least, like, one sister isn't coming for my throne. No. A little bit. So when Brooks was on, we did talk a lot about Gleb because that was such a big part of the show. You did a lot of, like, tiktoks with him when they were still together.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You were like.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I was cranking him out. I mean, every time he was around, I was, like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The most friendly with him out of the sisters.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was me.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I was. And I will say.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I basically live with the dude.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You spent more time around him, but I felt close to him and, like, I really did love him, you know, like a brother. Like, we were. We would hang out and talk about real things. And, like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you didn't. You thought he was. Was good for her at the time?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I thought he was great at the time. You know, he was exactly what she needed. She also had to spend every day with him already, so it's just kind of an added bonus to get, you know, a little extra.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But one of you was it. Which one of you was, like, go through his phone. Was it you?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It was me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

All of us.

So you. You were sus about him.

We were all. We were, like, considering a PI because things just, like, picked up so fast and, like.

[Mary Holland]

No, but it's funny because we're. Our Southern roots show. Show, like, showed up because it wasn't filmed. But when that happening, we would go back and forth. Like, I'd be like, I don't trust him. And then Brooks would be like, y' all be nice. And the girls and my mom would be like, yeah, we love Gleb. We love Glad. Like, we would. We were gaslit.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

But I say the reason I was so adamant about going through his phone is because I had heard things from people being like, you should tell your sister to look out. Or, oh, I heard about this happening with this girl.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, him being on.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Sincere warnings from people. And when that happens, you have to follow through, not take it lightly, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And now do you hate him?

Him? Yes, of course.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Has he tried to talk to you?

Yeah. No.

No.

He's a coward.

Brooke said about you that you, like, go for drinks. Okay. You'll be like, I had a drink with him.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That happened once with her ex husband.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. That's the only time it happened.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She never met up with any of your exes?

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, no, she did with mine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She did with mine and my ex.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Before I found out when I met up with her ex that they were still hooking up. So luckily, Sarah Jane told me later. So you're hanging with her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why are you meeting up with exes?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, I will say this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, I ran into her. Actually, I did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. But like, you, I ran into her physically.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And my friend I was with is also friends with her. They're like, why don't you sit down?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Was it the gorge I saw you with once?

Oh, yes. Yes.

Is gorgeous.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

She's gorge.

[Mary Holland]

Done.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And I would say she's not fully out of the conversation.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it's my business, girls.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, we don't air.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's amazing. Like, we love.

I will say, Sarah Jane, you do have this thing.

Oh, no, no.

Where you're like. Like, on the show, you were like, people aren't asking me about my relationship. Don't ask me about my relationship.

Yeah, okay, well, it's different that people not asking me. No, it's different. This is different. Like, it's different when you're going home and, like, nobody's asked you about your seeing. When I've had a girlfriend for two years. You know what I mean? Like, I had been out for three years and I hadn't been out. Asked in certain Settings at home with, like, certain people from church or whoever it was.

I see.

And always being asked was like, who's Grace Ansing? I heard she went on a date last week. And I'm like, I've had a girlfriend that I'm very public with for two years, and not one person has asked you. So that is, like, the homophobia, like, you know, hit I got you versus, like, I don't want to talk about, like, who I hooked up with at this party or whatever. Like, in front with the girls all being like a zoo animal. Like, who was it?

Who was it? Is she secretive, like, like, at home, too, or just, like, in public?

I.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

She's pretty secretive.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Yeah. It's just, like, private to me. I also think it's different.

[Mary Holland]

She's also fine.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Like, you don't have to say, but.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I also think it's different when, like. Like, we all talk about, like, the guys we hook up with or whatever. But, like, when it's a girl, it's like, that's their privacy.

You're right. What is true.

It's like a.

[Mary Holland]

Who cares about the guys?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And with girls, you want to be more respectful.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, that's true.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I never thought about Sarah Jane for President.

No, literally, Sarah Jane for President.

Don't ask me, but Ellie Golding on.

The show, you did make it pretty obvious that you guys hooked up. You don't think it was obvious?

I think she said it. I think she is, like, one of our really good friends. And that's another thing. It's like, I don't know. She's just one of our best friends. And I didn't. I wasn't trying to make anything super obvious. I respect her and her privacy as well. And, like, she has.

I mean, I can't with her. With her, like, when she's trying to be supportive on the side, like, being serious, like. Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Do you see how hard trying.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. We love Ellie, though. I mean, she's the best.

I really love how. Also what I think is so relatable about you guys. I mean, you are going to be living in a huge brownstone after the sohouse, which was also insane saying. But you do talk about your finances and, like, trying to make money through brand deals. And, like, you're very, very open about that because you say, even though there were some people. I saw, like, on TikTok when you were talking about coming from, like, a small town, and then they pan to your house, it was like a big, like, how do you navigate those moments when the fans are Getting into it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, I just am like, you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Know, we know the truth.

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah. And I think someone sent me a Reddit thread the. The other day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, no.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Person being like, like, their dad is easily worth $30 million. I was like, where are they getting.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I also, one of my friends sent me something that was like a comment. It was like, sarah Jane has gone to Aspen every year her whole life. She's so, like, they grew up rich, whatever. I've literally never been to the city of Aspen. So I was like, this is just like, crazy. Like, this is a stock image of a house. Like, we lived in that house that we did, like, go to in the show. And like, it's like, we know the truth. It's what our mom always tells us.

And your mom was a school teacher.

Teacher. She's a full nurse her whole life.

And your dad.

[Mary Holland]

My. Our dad, for the first, like 10 years of our life, worked for a non profit fellowship of Christian athletes. And he made like $18,000 a year, so we truly had nothing.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And then he was so young that they were like, scrambling to get jobs or whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. But then he got a better job and started working. Realized very soon he realized, like, we have to all go to school and like, all the things. And so by the time I was like, in middle school, it was very different from when Brooks was in middle school.

[Mary Holland]

You know, still not upper class. Like, we were still middle class trying to make it. But I think my dad, like, tried.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So many different things. He was in seminary for a while. He, like, got into law school. At one point he thought about being in the army or something. And then finally someone was like, you need to do what I do and just manage people's money.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And he's still doing that.

[Mary Holland]

He's still doing that. And he helps me. That's why I talk to him every day, because he helps. I'm building a similar business.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You got to have him. One dad's much better.

Biggest fight you ever had?

[Mary Holland]

Ooh, there's been so many.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Probably, like, I get with them every day.

[Mary Holland]

When Brooks called about the drinking problem.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. Yeah, I want to know.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, there was a worst fight.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That was the big fight. That was the biggest drinking.

Can we talk about the drinking thing?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

We can talk about.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They brush over it on the show a little bit. It's like, oh, you had this thing. Intervention.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Basically.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How serious was. Was this?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, they would say it's. It was really serious. Basically. When I moved to New York, I just partied really hard and like, all the time. And I somehow was still in school and making ollies, but going out every single night until like, 4:00am So I was like, party girl, party girl. And so then, yeah, my sisters were like, you're drinking too much. A couple incidents.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Were you drinking during the day?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, not during the day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We drinking alone.

It was.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, I wasn't drinking alone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

A lot of.

Too much party.

[Mary Holland]

Becoming a different person. When she was drinking drunk, I feel like it was, like, too tight.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, doesn't every alcoholism. No, there's. It was like she'd get super drunk and, like. Sorry to talk about you. Like, you're not here.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, I think that I'm the only one that should speak on it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

Yeah, you can. I don't.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, I would just get hammered. Honestly, I would just get. Yeah, I would just get blackout and hammered. And so I. My parents. My dad was like, you have to stop drinking all this stuff. So I stopped drinking for, I think, like, 14 days. And just to prove I could do it, because I was like, I'm not addicted to alcohol.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So I stopped drinking, and now I'm just, like, aware of it. I don't drink as often, but it's not something that I, like, struggle every day with. And that's why I wanted to be sensitive about it on the show, because I'm not sober, and I know a lot of people struggle with sobriety, and that's like, a huge problem. And I don't want to claim to have those same everyday struggles that some people do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you look at that time like a dark time or. Or is it just like, I. Is it just that, like, I moved to New York, I was partying. I was, like, out of control a little bit.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I look at. Yeah, I look at it as a dark time, but I don't. I was. I had a blast.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. You know, but do you, like. I want to know if you don't like that it's painted the way that it was on the show.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

No, it's sort of like intervention vibes, I think. I think it's good because I think sobriety is something that is talked about. So black or white. And, like, people have a problem or they don't. And, like, you're sober or you're not sober. But I think it's important to draw attention to. Like, sometimes we should just be aware that maybe we're drinking too much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And just be aware that it's there and you don't have to go fully sober or fully party girl mode, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Especially coming out of that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Black and white.

Yeah.

It'd be like I had a really like.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Crazy year. Or at this time in my life where I was. And now you're. You're managing it well because you're. I mean, Fashion Week, this, that New York, the show.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, that's the thing. Now I just work so much that I. You know, you don't have time to party as much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

And also. Yeah, I'm very aware of it. And I try to work out every day, which is something that has really helped me because if you know you're gonna work out the next day, you're like, I can't be hungover. That'll be miserable.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So I try to work out every day, wake up at 8am every day and just have those daily things and markers that kind of keep you in line because I've always needed that. Like, I'm such an extreme.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Missed. But what. And I will ask the sisters a little bit. What kind of person did she become when she was like drinking? That was.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Well, the worst. I would.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

Go for it. Yeah.

Like a lot.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I would just say uncomfortable things and out of pocket things that would get me in trouble and not apologize.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, you're sober. Is a loud mouth.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Would you apologize after?

No. She would not acknowledge. And if you tried to ask her about it, it was like.

[Mary Holland]

So those were probably the biggest fights.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But that's also the thing. I think you make such a good point with the gray area. It's like we didn't know also how to like go about that because we knew she was like not full, like addicted. Waking over maybe. But it was.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Do you want to hear the intervention that was had with me? Basically my dad came up, we all went to dinner where everyone was drinking and they said, grace Ann, you can't drink anymore. And everyone like goes on to order out drinks. I was like, this is such. And they all went to a club and I went home.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I like was. I was like, I don't think that was the intervention.

Yeah, we didn't know clubbing. That's how she's making.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That's. You guys did. That's why when we had an intervention with Brooks, I was like, why don't we call in a professional?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because I think that that is the ZIC intervention. Which was wild.

[Mary Holland]

Crazy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I've been talking about that a lot as an example of why I love the show. And those epic thing is an amazing representation of that. Because people could have easily been like, this is like fucked up. And, like, she's skinny. Why is she going Zempic trigger warning. All the trolls would out, you know, Bad example. However, I at least didn't see any of that. And I think it's because, like, there was so much honesty there and so much bluntness about it.

Yeah.

Then nobody, I feel like. And that's the key to this world that we're navigating. If you're honest, you're good. Nobody can with you.

Yeah.

Like, you're invincible. Because she said it. She said, why? She knows it's not good, knows it's not healthy. You girls know, like. But she fudgeing put it all out there. So I really didn't see anyone.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, giving her shit.

Totally.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Criticizing her.

[Mary Holland]

And I will say, before the show started filming, Brooks and we all sat down and we were like, when we go into this because you're like, what are we going to show? What are we going to not? And we all said that exact thing, like, no one can fuck with honesty.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Mary Holland]

And as long as we're authentic, then, you know, we can at least go to sleep at night knowing we were ourselves. And I think that's a theme throughout the show. Talking about taboo, talking talk topics, whether it be money, Ozempic, you know, coming out, sexuality, like, we just throw it all out there because they're all topics that no one really wants to touch on. And reality TV was. Was filtered, honestly. And so we were like, let's change that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I really felt that about the show, like, that we need this kind of reality TV where they're like, people are willing to put it out there. Not the fucking. I never watch, you know, like, those reality stars that go on a show and they're like, I've never seen it before, like, just happened to be cast or.

Yeah.

You know, just like those vibes I'm so fudgeing over.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you guys put out there, like, yes, you want to be famous, you want to be in it, you want to be known, but you're also willing to fucking get down and dirty.

Yeah.

You know, And I love it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

It's good.

[Mary Holland]

We love you.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I think it also gives us a chance to really reflect on our lives and think about it more.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Because, you know, after the show, people are like, okay, so you had a drinking problem. And, like, you are coming out via, you know, despite your conservative family, Eurozembic, you're quitting your job. And it's like, oh, wait, those are true things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

That we're gonna now address and see how we can maneuver and.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, you know, what about the song, though? Because one of you said we all did it.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So I'm the one that's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I've tried it. She's taken it.

[Mary Holland]

I've tried it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I took it for, like, when I was living in la, I was like, like, just little, like, depresso mode and I. It helped with, like, just obsessive thoughts in general.

Yeah.

Food or like, just like, having a healthy relationship with food and I don't take anymore, but it kind of like reset my brain. Like, I think there's a healthy way to use it where, like, it just. It, like, it's crazy how it can control, like, whether you're binge eating or, like, under eating. It's like you think less about what you're eating, which is like. Like a healthier way to move, I think. But I think it's different for everybody. And Brooks will say, like, I'm not taking it healthily and, like, I should address it. But she is not off of it yet. And she's not off of it down the line. Yeah, but she's very honest that she's like, I just. I. I can't get off it. I'm addicted.

And so she's addicted to, like, not having to deal with food, right?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Yeah, I guess.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you never took it?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

You've tried it? On my birthday last tried it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We're talking about it like a drug, like, so on.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

This is so funny. On my 24th birthday last year, I was like, I feel so fat. And Brooks was like, do you want to shot for your birthday? So I took a shot. I think it lasted, like, two weeks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I was so nauseous.

I took it for.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So I took it on my birthday.

[Amanda Hirsch]

When?

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

A year and a half ago. And I didn't eat for two weeks. It was like, great and stuff. But I. That was the last time I've taken it. And I know everyone else has been on it, like, been prescribed it and stuff.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Stuff. And they prescribed it to you, Sarah Jane.

[Mary Holland]

They can just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's insane, though. Yeah. But what do you say that you have, like, obsessive thoughts about food?

Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

You really don't have to say that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But do you?

I did at a time, like, because of remodeling, like, I guess.

[Mary Holland]

And it's like mental health.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I mean, I have obsessive thoughts. I'm thinking about food right now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Another thing is, like, I think with the show, like, if you, like, read the, like, description of the episodes, like, Brooks designers and picking it Out. You might think. Think like, oh, this is like encouraging people to get on, isn't it? But she's very honest about, like the struggle of it and like, that she knows it's not healthy and that she's like suffering in her body from it, but she's like, dependent on it. So I think it's like the fact that it's an honest conversation. It's not just like.

No. Right.

Skinny, like, body image in general for girls is such a thing. And like.

Yeah.

To talk about that Raleigh is like very, I think, refreshing to people.

But you're not on it now.

No, I'm not on it now.

[Mary Holland]

No, no, no. I get too lost.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She works out all the time. I need to work out more.

[Mary Holland]

But we need to get better about working.

[Amanda Hirsch]

None of you need to be on it.

[Mary Holland]

Yeah, no, none of us three are on it. But it is hard to watch Brooks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because, like, are you trying to.

Are we doing another intervention?

I don't know. I think it's.

Is she micro dosing? I feel like. Right. Celebs are saying that now to make it sound more chic.

Yeah, yeah.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

I don't know what the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I think she's self dosing is a problem. But I will say there's an amazing doctor in LA who. Who's like dermatologist and like, just kind of like spiritual. And she has these herbal things that we heard about recently that's like teas. So I'm thinking about like kind of pushing that. Like a switch to the tea for Brooksie. Yeah.

[Mary Holland]

Like a sticking medicine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know this is so fucked up, but I was watching this Charlie Sheen documentary and he was addicted to like, crack for years and so. And they didn't know what to know where I'm going with this. Arielle. Okay, so stay tuned. So they didn't know what to do with him anymore because he wouldn't get off the drug. So they had his drug dealer, like, start diluting his dose. So it took like a year, but he would just be like, I'm not getting high. I'm not getting high. I'm not getting high. That by the end of the year he was like this.

Like, I don't like this.

That's how Charlie got Silver.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So what? Can we replace the violin?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, but like.

Okay, we need to figure out where.

She'S like, it's not working anymore. It's it. I'll move over to the herbs.

Yes.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

Genius.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Can you come?

Yes.

[Gracie Nader (Ganimal)]

So we can get her with it cut immediately. We have to keep that one a secret.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, we're gonna keep this a secret and we're gonna do it.

I'm obsessed with you, Amanda.

I'm obsessed with you guys. Thank you for coming.

Love you.

Everybody go follow them.

Shout out, Simon.

Shout out, Simon.

I love you.

Love you guys.

Love you.

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[Mary Holland]

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