LUANN DE LESSEPS: THE COUNTESS & CABARET STAR

Summary

Podcast Summary: Not Skinny But Not Fat – Episode Featuring Luann de Lesseps: The Countess & Cabaret Star

Introduction

In this vibrant episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat, host Amanda Hirsch welcomes Luann de Lesseps, famously known as "The Countess" from The Real Housewives of New York City. The conversation delves into Luann's recent experiences, her transition from reality TV to cabaret, personal anecdotes, and her perspectives on various aspects of life and fame.

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1. A Star-Studded Morning: Encounter with Sam Smith and Anna Wintour

Luann recounts an exciting morning where she met Sam Smith and stood next to fashion icon Anna Wintour.

• Meeting Sam Smith:
  [01:00]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I saw Sam Smith and said hi from Glenn, and he goes, 'Luann'."

• Encounter with Anna Wintour:
  [01:17]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I was standing next to Anna Wintour when that happened. She doesn't know me well, but it's always a moment."

Amanda highlights the serendipitous nature of these encounters, emphasizing the blend of deep connections and unexpected meetings in Luann's life.

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2. Touring the World: England 2025 and Australia

Luann shares her excitement about her ongoing tour and future plans.

• Current Tour and Future Plans:
  [01:58]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I'm touring England right now and planning to return in 2025 to do a lot of shows there and in Australia. It's an exhilarating time."

She expresses joy over expanding her reach and connecting with international audiences, highlighting the global appeal of her cabaret performances.

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3. From Reality TV to Cabaret: Creating "Mary F. Kelp"

Transitioning from reality TV, Luann has ventured into cabaret with her show "Mary F. Kelp," inspired by the "Marry, F, Kill" game.

• Inspiration Behind the Show:
  [04:15]
  Luann de Lesseps: "Mary F. Kill Countess. I renamed it because lyrically, it sounds better—Mary F. Kelp."

• Show Description:
  [04:34]
  Luann de Lesseps: "It's a mix of pop culture, cabaret, comedy, and a fashion show. It’s all about my love life gone right and wrong, inspired by fan requests."

Amanda expresses her excitement for the show, appreciating the creative fusion Luann has crafted.

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4. Balancing Personal Life and Fame

Luann delves into her personal life, discussing motherhood, breastfeeding, and maintaining social engagements.

• Breastfeeding Journey:
  [02:35]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I breastfed for four months each of my babies while managing a bustling social life in Europe."

She candidly discusses the challenges and adjustments of motherhood intertwined with a public persona.

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5. Navigating Social Media and Blockages

The conversation shifts to the dynamics of social media, with Luann addressing being blocked and her approach to negativity online.

• Being Blocked by Alec Baldwin:
  [12:22]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I'm still blocked by Alec Baldwin because I talked about his wife. It hurts, but it's not how I live."

• Handling Negativity:
  [13:28]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I cancel people who say nasty things about me. It’s about maintaining a positive space."

Amanda and Luann discuss the importance of surrounding oneself with positivity and managing online interactions.

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6. Personal Habits: Smoking and Vaping Preferences

Luann shares her smoking habits, favoring traditional cigarettes over vapes.

• Smoking Preferences:
  [24:32]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I prefer American Spirits because they don’t have chemicals. I don’t smoke a lot, but I enjoy them."

She provides insight into her personal choices, reflecting on how they align with her lifestyle and health considerations.

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7. Experiences with Fellow Celebrities

Luann recounts her interactions with various celebrities, including Tilda Swinton and Andrew Lloyd Webber.

• Invitation to Scotland by Tilda Swinton:
  [19:52]
  Luann de Lesseps: "Tilda invited me to Scotland, and it was divine. We enjoyed red wine and crumpets on the train."

• Meeting Andrew Lloyd Webber:
  [41:26]
  Luann de Lesseps: "At the Sunset Boulevard opening, I chatted with Andrew Lloyd Webber, discussing our shared love for the theater."

These stories highlight Luann's deep connections within the entertainment industry and her ability to maintain meaningful relationships.

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8. Upcoming Projects and Tours

Looking ahead, Luann teases future performances and projects.

• Love Hotel Dating Show:
  [37:34]
  Luann de Lesseps: "Love Hotel was a great vibe, focusing more on the boys and less on drama. It brought a personal touch from our Housewives background."

• Cabaret Shows in New York and London:
  [45:05]
  Luann de Lesseps: "We're performing at Town Hall in the spring and promoting my tour in London for 2025. Can't wait to bring Europe along!"

Amanda encourages listeners to attend her shows, appreciating the unique blend of entertainment she offers.

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9. Perspectives on Aging and Relationships

Luann discusses her views on aging, relationships, and dating across different age groups.

• Age-Appropriate Dating:
  [43:05]
  Luann de Lesseps: "I dabble in late 40s or late 50s. It's about age-appropriate connections, avoiding the chaos of mismatched relationships."

• Maintaining Loyalty:
  [29:25]
  Luann de Lesseps: "Once I'm in a relationship, I'm loyal to the end. People come and go, but I remain a true friend."

Her insights offer a mature perspective on building and maintaining meaningful relationships.

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10. Iconic Moments and Timeless Humor

Reflecting on her time in reality TV, Luann shares memorable moments that continue to resonate.

• Falling into the Bushes:
  [30:35]
  Luann de Lesseps: "There was the moment I fell into the bush outside the White House. It was chaotic but now, it’s a funny story we all laugh about."

Amanda commends Luann for her ability to find humor in challenging situations, solidifying her timeless appeal.

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Conclusion

This episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat offers an intimate look into Luann de Lesseps' multifaceted life—from her encounters with celebrities and her global tours to her personal philosophies on relationships and aging. Luann's candidness and vibrant personality make for an engaging and inspiring conversation, providing listeners with both entertainment and heartfelt insights.

Notable Quotes:

• Luann on Living Authentically:
  [07:23]
  "Luann: 'Reality TV has changed so much. On stage and cabaret, I get to be me. There's no faking it.'"

• On Taking Opportunities:
  [22:36]
  "Luann: 'When an opportunity comes along, trust your gut and do it. If you're not scared, you're not living.'"

• About Loyalty in Relationships:
  [29:25]
  "Luann: 'Once I'm in a relationship, I'm loyal to the end. People come and go, but I remain a true friend.'"

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Transcript

[Luann de Lesseps]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Oh, my God, here we go. It's happening, you guys. It is early in the morning for those glasses, but we don't care.

[Luann de Lesseps]

We love them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What's time?

[Luann de Lesseps]

What is time?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And the. And the time. No, I literally can with you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Time in the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You are full. Full vibing. What? What's in the chat? What's happening? Oh, we need your voice. I mean, it's deep, but we still need it.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Count of Speaking.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Damn.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Good morning.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Tell me the vibes. Tell me why you're so high on life right now. This morning Is Sam Smith.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, it's Sam Smith.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What happened that was so exciting with him last night.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You know, my promoter in England is called Glenn, and Glenn said to me, oh, you're going to see Sam Smith? I said, yes, I'm going to God's Love We Deliver, which is one of the charities I love and support for years. And he goes, well, say hello from me, because we're besties.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. So you took that assignment you took.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I did, and I saw him and I said. And Glenn told him I would be there, expect the Countess. He did, and he's so lovely. And, you know, I walked in, I saw him, and I said, hi from Glenn, and he goes, luanne. And I was standing next to Anna Wintour when that happened.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And she doesn't know me. Well, kind of. She does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are we sure that she doesn't want to.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't know. Probably not. Well, I'm sure she might know who I am, but she does not expect that I'm friends with Sam Smith.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Does she?

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it was a good look. Yeah. So it's a good look.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But guess what happened naturally, which is why I love.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Have it Naturally through my promoter in England, which I'm touring right now. I'm trying. I'm going to England 2025, doing a lot of shows there and Australia. So I'm really happy about that. So you're like, why are you so happy? I'm like, well, because you're touring right now. Because the Mary drink out of plastic.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, okay, I know. Listen, you guys, microplastics are not a good thing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Everyone Try to not.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And don't warm up food in a microwave.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. Can you just. So I have a new baby, and I never. With my first baby, I only breastfed, so I didn't know bottles. Now I'm, like, kind of doing the bottles as well and, like, heating up that.

[Luann de Lesseps]

How long did you BreastFeed for?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Over two years. The first baby.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, my God. With teeth.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. That's weird. I mean, at that point, they're, like, doing it for comfort, you know? Did you breastfeed?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Your babies.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Four months.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Four months. Each, like, the same time?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Was it hard for you?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Kind of, because I was going out a lot, socializing, you know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

In. In Europe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I.

[Luann de Lesseps]

There was a lot of dinner parties to go to, and I had to wear, you know, the pads.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right, right. The pads are the.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So you wouldn't leak at a party, which is really weird when you're leaking at party. It's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know the leaking is not fun.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But it's very feminine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But my first baby was during COVID so I wasn't going anywhere, which is why it was possible to do. What I'm saying is we didn't have the knowledge then, so we were heating up bottles right back in the dizzle. Like, fully heating up your baby's milk in plastic. And, like, now we have a lot more.

[Luann de Lesseps]

We didn't have that in Europe. Like, people don't have microwaves in Europe, right? Not really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Or air conditioners?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, damn. Okay, so like Luann said, Mary of Killer Cabaret Tour kicked off in October. So you're currently touring it?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which is. Why are you raspier than ever right now?

[Luann de Lesseps]

It's the morning, darling. Always raspy in the morning. But I love the show. You're going to love Mary F. Kel, because it's all about who we'd marry, who we'd f, and who we want to get rid of. We're not killing people. But it was inspired by my fans. The audience asked me every single show because I do Q and A, and they're like Mary F. Kill Countess every single time. So after five years of this, I go, you know what? Mary F. Kill. No, it's F. Marry Kill. And I renamed it because lyrically, it sounds better Mary F. Kelp.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So that's how I. So my fans inspired me for the show. And it's. It's all about my love life gone right, gone wrong. And, you know, I show clips. It's pop culture meets cabaret meets comedy meets a fashion show that's what it is. And it's so much fun. You'll love it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm so excited to see it. And you also have a winter Christmas one, too.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's a different. Entirely different thing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Totally.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So are you wrapping up Mary of Kill and then going in, or are they okay?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, yeah. Holiday. I love holiday shows because I make up stuff all day long, which is. So I want my director, Richard J. Alexander, who directs Kristen Chenoweth, Barbara Streisand, to name a few. I said, you know, I want to play Eric Clapton Lay Down Sally. And he goes, it's Holiday. I go, well, now it's Lay Down Santa. All that trouble to come down the chimney. But he never stays. Lay down and stay with me a while.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So I. I take music and I turn it upside down, which is what I love to do because it's very creative for me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I literally remember, and I'm sure all the OG fans, like, we remember seeing this journey for you start on Roni.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like meeting with. Who was the director at the time? Ben something.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Ben Rimmelauer. See, yes, Ben. I love Ben. He was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He was the first one to really, like, believe in you and push you on this.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But my first. Howie started Cabaret was a friend of mine said, lou, you love to host parties, you love to sing for your friends, which I. And you love to tell jokes. You should be doing cabaret. I said, oh. And then I got married to Tom. Another chapter. And it took me a while to get to Cabaret. And then I met Ben through a really old friend of mine. And that's how I met Roger, actually, by the way, who's here with me today.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So in 2018.

[Luann de Lesseps]

2018, I started my career and now. Now I'm touring the uk.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's so cool. And they all. Do you think everyone who comes to the show is a Bravo person or some people just are coming to see the show. Know you from other things. Like, I don't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's interesting.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, it is.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Bravo called gay icon in. In London. I was like, I'm really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's the best.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I mean, the likes of Madonna and stuff. No, I mean, but Australia is going.

[Amanda Hirsch]

To be fun, too. You know what? They have such a good sense of humor. Australians.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I've never been. Have you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I haven't. But in the Instagram realm of social media, sometimes Americans, you can feel that they take stuff, like, personally sometimes and they get offended easily. The Brits and the Aussies do not. Like, they're very Dry humor.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Cool. They're not like, all uncle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You've had such iconic lines. Like, even when you said to Tom, the texting question mark. Like, even that you didn't mean to be. I mean, that was a. That was not a fun moment for you. That was a real moment. That is. That is like viral right now, that sound. Did you know that?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. Question mark?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Question mark, Question mark. Like, you have so many moments on the show that were real.

[Luann de Lesseps]

That they were real. That's the difference.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why you feel like now I feel.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Like reality TV has changed so much. Right. And when we were doing it, it was really real. We lived our real life on the show.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And I think you see the difference right away, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

That's like stage and cabaret for me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Perfect. Because I get to be me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. There's no faking it.

[Luann de Lesseps]

The person that they don't know, they think they know, but I get to tell them real stories that they don't know. They'll never know unless they come to the cabaret document. To the cabaret, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is there anything you miss about filming that, Joe Roni, the OG Roni?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, No, I miss the ultimate girls trips. Really? Those I love. Really? Let's go.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, One week. I love.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. It's easy. Not. You have to dive into your whole life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't have to die. But how much of your personal life do you share in these shows? Like, are you really sharing, like, about dating? Like, if you went out with someone, like, will you ever drop names? Will you ever spill the tea?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Excuse me. On your cabaret, which you. What do you. Oh, I do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You do.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I talk about all of it. Mary F. Kills.

[Amanda Hirsch]

All about, like, the real people.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. The real stories.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So there was Toms, the Harry's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are we always gonna throw back to them?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. Okay, we're.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But when we talk about Mary F. Kill, we will.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are we killing Tom every time?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, I've already married him, so, you know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And Harry.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, you know, I'd kill Harry.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know I'd kill Harry. Huh. Who are you in touch with from the show? Sonia.

[Luann de Lesseps]

All of them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

All them, yeah. Still good.

[Luann de Lesseps]

We are family now, right? After all this time, we're family. It's like, you know, your relatives that you love, you don't get to see all the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And I see Ramona and she's like, ah. And we're like that Dorinda I saw last night with Sam Smith.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Luann de Lesseps]

God's Love We Deliver. And Sarah Jessica Parker. I mean, it was Really a very cool night. It's really awesome.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's so exciting for you. I love that. Do you work on your voice? Like, do you take singing lessons and stuff?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. You just like raw dye.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, I have a coach.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

That I do vocal. You know, warm ups and stuff like that. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Michael, money won't buy you class. Like, will.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, money can't. Money won't. Can't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Sorry, darling.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Sorry.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Money can't. You can't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

People say money don't buy. Oh, my God. No, it's can't. It's not don't. It's won't. It's. It's can't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is another thing. Like, just a timeless.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Iconic, crazy. Did you ever think.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No. No. I just wrote what I cared about, which is, guess what? It doesn't matter how much money you have.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No matter where you're from. It's about what you've learned. Money can't buy your clown.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you used to be a different Luann. Kind of like we saw you evolve, right?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

We all talk. Hopefully we grow. Totally evolve.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Totally.

[Luann de Lesseps]

If you stay the same. Only stupid people don't change their minds totally. Or live or get what they want because they're stuck in a certain place. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But in that way, how did you change from the Countess? That doesn't want to talk about, like.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You know, I was protecting my family and my marriage at the time. So it was very, you know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it was more for him, for the count.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, it was more for my family.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. I'm a woman. I protect my family.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, you do. And now you're kind of living for you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm living my best life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Damn, luan.

[Luann de Lesseps]

In my 50s. Yes, girl, I still say that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you don't have, like, a thing about aging where you're like, g. I miss being 20 or miss being 30.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No. But let me ask you a question, Amanda.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, totally.

[Luann de Lesseps]

If you don't know how old you are, you didn't have a mirror. How old do you think you are?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You don't know how old you are. You don't have a mirror. How old are you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, like, based on my hangovers, I would be like 57. You know, that's a really.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I feel like 27.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Living my best life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, where are you with sobriety? Can I ask?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, guess I drink on occasion.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And life is an occasion. A lot.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And I'm okay with it. How are you with yours? I do have a hangover today or not?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but I get, like, a headache. Like, I'm lame like that. I'll drink three glasses of wine, get a headache, can't function the next day. Likes me up.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Maybe I need more practice.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Maybe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, it never.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It's very personal, you know, It's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Everybody feels different.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, it's.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You know, that relationship has changed for me. I'm in the driver's seat now. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Different.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, we saw all of that. I mean, looking back at all your moments, it's just. We've seen a lot. We've been through a lot. Like you said. You just said family with everyone. Obviously, everyone saw the, like, Instagram moment with Bethany, that. With her daughter as well. And then you went to say that it was kind of not what it looked like.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It wasn't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I was blocked.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're still blocked.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I am still blocked.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You would think after that photo.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I know you think. Or share them with me, but she.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Had to put collab post.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Okay, fine. It's all right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Would you accept a collab post from Bethany? Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't know. I get to bridges when I cross them. When I get to them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you care about being blocked or. No, no, no.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I've been blocked for years. It's okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you blocked by anybody else?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, I don't think so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Nothing? No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you block people? I'm blocked by, like, Alec Baldwin.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But why?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because I talked about his wife. Hilarious scandal. A lot. I actually was nice about it, though. I don't understand why I got so mad. But it hurts. I'm like, I, you know, I liked a lot of his movies, you know, I don't want to be blocked by Alec Baldwin.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't like to be blocked by anyone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know it's not a good feeling.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And, you know, it's not how I live.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. So you don't. If someone says nasty, you don't, you know.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, I, I. Yes, I do. I cancel them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Let's cancel them out.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Canceled? You're canceled if you say nasty things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

About me on social media.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You're out.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you block them.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't block them. I cancel them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What does that mean, Luanne?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Canceled. You're deleted.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Deleted.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Deleted.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like on Friend. I don't know what the cancel button is.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Neither do I, but ask Roger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Roger, there's a cancel button. It's a vlog.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, sorry.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, well, cancel does sound a little nicer.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I like cancel better than blocking.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, sounds nice.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I guess. Better I think so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You also said because you're doing, obviously your shows and your own thing, but you still do the reality tv. You did the show with Sonia. Crappy Lake.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Crappy Lake.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That was so funny.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So good, that show. So good. I know. I loved it. Benton, Illinois. I'm going to St. Louis to perform. Yeah. November 1st.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's exciting.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I am hometown of Andy. Going to St. Louis, where Andy Cohen's from, because it takes a while to get in your mojo. Like, where am I? I'm a housewife. What am I doing with my life? From Housewives. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So not only making the money, like from the show, but doing your own thing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Because, you know we don't get residuals. Right? So, yeah, show's still airing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Vicky Gavinson just said she made a million dollars on her last season.

[Luann de Lesseps]

A million dollars?

[Amanda Hirsch]

What does that sound like that? Yeah, that's, like, kind of blowing up right now. Does that. Does that make sense?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, it does.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes, it does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, but you know, I have a promoter in England.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Glenn Glyn.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Glyn. Glyn.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Glyn. Is that with an I?

[Luann de Lesseps]

With a Y. Glynn G. L, Y.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Is he a man?

[Luann de Lesseps]

He's a fabulous man. He's like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Stop, okay?

[Luann de Lesseps]

He knows everyone. And so he told me that Tilda might come to the show. And she came to the Coco. Private, fabulous red boxes, gold, gilded. I mean, amazing. And she came and there was an after party. She came to me and she said, darling, I do adore you, but so much joy and I love what you do and. But you need a break after six dates. And she says, come to Scotland. My humble abode. And she invited me to Scotland. And I. And I went. I took her up on it. She goes, I do love a girl that takes me up on my offer like that. And she's just divine. She's so lovely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you stayed how long in Scotland?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Just for one night in Scotland. For the first time. Never been to Scotland in my life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

In her house. Castle.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Castle. It's Castle. In her house. Castle. House. Castle. Amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I know. It was great. So wonderful.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Were you by yourself?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, it was with Roger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, Roger. Roger comes along with a ride.

[Luann de Lesseps]

That's great. Roger is with me all the time. Thank God for Roger. Because I looked at her, I was like, oh, my God, does she. What's going on here? And she was just so amazing and lovely and I've never been to this part of the world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Going to Scotland with Tilda. I said, okay, we're going to have red wine and crumpets on the train. I'm like, okay, 5:00 departs and we go. How is Sonja? She asked me about Sonia.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, she watched it. Were you surprised by that? Like, she doesn't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, no, she knows who I am. So she watches the Housewives. She loves the Housewives. How is Sonia? I said, and Dorinda's filming Traders in Scotland at the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right, right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So she goes well, let's call her up. But Dorinda's phone was taken away, which I did not understand about traders. Cuz your phone gets taken.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, like you would have FaceTimed her or something.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I tried to. I did. Cuz she's in Scotland.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes. Who could believe that Luan and Sonia were in Scotland at the same time?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Like, no, Dorinda. Dorinda, Dorinda. Not Sunny.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Sunny was not there. She. I wish she was there because she would had a blast.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She would have had a blast. But isn't that fun? Like you said, like you're in your 50s, you're living your life. Have you always been this kind of person that's like adventurous like that? Like would get on a train at 5pm with Tilda's win?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I have. I have just one thing to say about that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Get on the train or the train leaves without you. Don't be the one standing on the platform.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Because you can always go home. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So are you a yes person?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm. Yes. I'm the house of yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, yeah. Like what? Go to everything you're invited to say. Okay.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Definitely not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm not talking about that kind of yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, so what kind of yes?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Tell us how to do it.

[Luann de Lesseps]

When an opportunity comes along, like a good one. A good one. Right. You can. And you know through your gut, should I go? Should I not go? And you know, because your gut tells you what to do. And then we go, here we go. Oh, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I have to leave on Sunday. I'm staying one more night. Am I going to change my plans? Am I going to do that?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, do it.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Do it when you feel it. Right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And most people miss that opportunity in life, which is. I'm scared. So they don't do things. I mean, you know, I live. I've lived by the seat of my pants for so long.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I.

[Luann de Lesseps]

On the show Housewives, on. In life in general, cabaret, getting on the stage after what happened to me. Right. I came back. Yeah, right. In a big way. Because guess what? If you're not scared, you're not living. And that's true.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is true. You have so many lines. Is Tilda Swinton the most exciting guest you've had?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Eccentric.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Eccentric. Wait, did you invite Sam yesterday? Did you tell him to come? Did you send him a ticket? Roger.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Sam. To come where?

[Amanda Hirsch]

To your show. To one of your shows?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, he will come. I'm going to Glasgow. I'm playing Glasgow, Dublin, England. He's gonna.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're gonna get a job. Well, get Glenn.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Hope that he can get Glenn on it. We're gonna get Glenn on it. Yeah, well, I. You know what? When you meet people, you connect. So you connected through a friend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, no, but I'm saying you vibe. Do you feel like.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, this is a very. He's a lovely man.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, that's fun.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So who would be like your dream guest to come see you on the show?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Let's see. Miley Cyrus.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow. I love you're a duet between you would be like the battle.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I cover her in my show. I love flowers.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I think flowers. And I love her because she's abroad.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You still smoke? She's the occasional sig.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I smoke ciggies. You know that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, Love it. What about vapes?

[Luann de Lesseps]

On occasion.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But when you can't smoke. Beep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you more into cigs though, than vape?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I prefer. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Nicotine, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you don't know how much you're smoking.

[Luann de Lesseps]

That's right. People are babes. They're like all day, right? There's a lot of nicotine. Vapes. Cigarettes are like. I smoke American spirits because I like them. I don't smoke a lot. No, they're not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're the lightest, aren't they like 10 minutes long?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, that's the vibe.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes. Because it's like you can put it down and it will stay just like you left it. You can come back, it will go out and you can come back and pick it up again.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, wait, which is like.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Which doesn't have chemicals. You see, that's what is good about those cigarettes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

American spirits don't have chemicals.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And we don't have like the millions of.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So an opera singer from Zurich turned me onto them. I was at the time smoking marble lights. He goes, you cannot smoke marble lights. And I. He turned me on to these opera singer from Zurich. And he go. And he goes, just. You have to smoke less than five a day and you can sing like nobody's business.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Stop.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Opera singer.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, that's the tea.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You guys taught me about that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is the tea. No, it's good to know.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Good to know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I always thought they were like the hardcore cigarette. The, like, I'll faint if I have one cigarette.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, no, no. They're the lightest. Now, there's different categories, right? But marble reds, Marble lights.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, marble reds are hardcore as fuck.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, I don't. I don't smoke marble chemicals.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Would you go back to the original Roni if they brought you all back. Did like a reboot.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You're cracking me up right now. Would I go back to the original? Yeah, to the OGs. We've already done it. We went to St. Barts for you guys again.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you think I got trouble with.

[Luann de Lesseps]

The pirate once again, didn't I? I'm always in trouble with the boy. Did you not see the last Ultimate Girls drop?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, we did. We did.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Guess who gets lucky? Me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so what about the new Roni? What are your thoughts? Who. Who's the way? Who's the most?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I saw Bryn last night.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's so fun.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, she's fun.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I like Bryn.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I like.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I like all of them. I mean, they're all characters. They're just not us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're not you?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who's the most?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm not you are.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Amanda, you're you. Yeah, I'm me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So I love the girls for who they are. It's not the same thing. Can't be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Would you go on like a traitors like Dorinda?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, I don't want to be. Have my phone taken away now. Really?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Luann?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Wow.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I feel like it's a never say never kind of thing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What about Dancing with the Stars?

[Luann de Lesseps]

My mother, she's. Oh, I don't know about that shirt. My mother's Canadian. Oh, I don't know about that show. I think you're gonna hurt yourself. I was like, I don't think about.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's hard.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't like competition shows. I really don't. Really not know. I don't like it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're not.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You, you, you. I don't like that. I don't like competition shows.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I did the mess singer, though, right? Yeah, I. I did. It's raining, man. Hallelujah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, I did that.

[Luann de Lesseps]

How many times a day do you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Break out in song?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Rough.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was hard.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Ooh, the mask singer. First of all, you have this mask, right? You can't see left ring. You can't see anywhere except straight ahead and claustrophobic. And it's claustrophobic. Put a mask on and. But you know what? I'm proud of myself for doing it. I was very nervous about it, but I'm so glad I did. It was a great experience. But I'm not big on competition shows.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I have to ask you about Oliver Sarkozy.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Olivier.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God, you guys.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Olivier. Oh, my God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's so embarrassing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Olivier.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, you were seeing what you were spotted. That's Mary Kate Olsen's ex husband.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yep. Well, we're friends.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're friends?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Not a moss.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, you know, we're friends.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You love the French.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, I speak French.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right? Yeah. So advice. Yeah. So it vibes for you. So you speak French with these men?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes, I do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. So what's the best date spot in the city? Like, what's your favorite place?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Are you fishing for ideas? Aren't you? Are you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I'm married. Babe, are you jacked up? I was taken off the market too young.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Guess what. Yeah, the market's not that great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So guess what? It's not a bad thing that you're. Yeah. Taken off the market. I mean, I feel like this generation. I don't know what generation we're talking about for you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We. We.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Whatever, D. It's rough.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

To find a good man.

[Amanda Hirsch]

A good man, Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And a good girl, too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. And you're a good. Do you consider yourself like a good partner in a relationship?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Once I'm in. Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Once you're in.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm loyal to the end. Like the girl. Coat.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I have to ask you about this.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Type of girl that. Always loyal to the end. People come and go, but always be a friend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love that.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, that's my lyrics. I write all my music. You know that, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're amazing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Money, chic. Giovanni.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Giovanni.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Girl coat.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The Giovanni. The Giovanni.

[Luann de Lesseps]

The La Diva. Well, that was written by Desmond Child. You know who he is?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I don't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

He wrote Live in the Vita Loca and Living on a Prayer. Just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He loves Living.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Just those two songs. He wrote Viva La Diva for me. He met me at Sirius Radio and he goes, I have a song for you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Damn.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I know. I sing. I sing with N. Cole. L O V E. Wow.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's amazing.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And, you know, I've gotten to work with the best people in the business. I'm so lucky.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're so lucky.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I am very lucky being thankful sitting here with you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, thank you, Luanne. I don't know if you're going to.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Consider green bush behind you. I might have to fall into that. Just for fun. Just for fun. Come out from behind the bushes over there.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How do you explain that falling in.

[Luann de Lesseps]

A bush is just tequila?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, no, no, no.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. How do I explain it?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but how was that? Because some people would say, okay, she fell in the bush. Like, I feel like if it would happen on any other show today, it wouldn't be that funny.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It would be a moment. It was a moment.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was a moment. But with you. Again, timeless. Always funny.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, my God, there was Obama. It was like T shirts with Obama in the bushes outside the White House. I mean, there's so many memes. I know. You know why I was having a good time in the bush. If I had to stand up, I would have fallen again into the bush. Or if I'm staying here, I'm so happy. And it wasn't a pricker bush. It wasn't a pricker bush. Thank God it was not a pricker bush. Oh, okay. It was fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you know why else it's iconic and timeless? Because in those moments, look me, I'm.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Like, on my living room couch, where I'm getting uncomfortable.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, get comfortable. You didn't take yourself too seriously. Do you know what I mean? That's why if you were like. But you, like, vibe through it. And that's why, till this day, it's a moment you can laugh about. Everyone can laugh about it.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. So there you go.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He does.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, they do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. I have to ask you about this moment, Luanne. You're not gonna love me after this. No, I'm just kidding. You won't. You won't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, it's not a bad.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, it's not that bad. It's Joe Bradley. Like, who cares? Who cares about him? I don't understand why you cared about him is my question.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I think he's the cutest thing I've ever seen since Elvis. I love that. He is so hot. He's delicious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's who, like, sparked your.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You know what? He's charming.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

He's boyish. He's like. He's got a deep voice, and I like that. Deep voices.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You want it deeper than yours, if possible.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I want deeper than mine, if possible.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, if I sing fever to you, then you'll understand me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Sing fever to me.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Never know how much I love you. Never know how much I care. When you wrap your arms around me I get a fever that's so hard to bear. You give me fever in the morning. Amanda, I love you so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Joe Bradley. Delicious. No regrets. Not. Danielle was super hurt.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No. Take a moment. No regrets. I forgive everyone. So you wonder about my voice now? That's what I do. So, okay, Joe Bradley. What about him?

[Amanda Hirsch]

You think he's so sweet, but he was, like, in a relationship with this Danielle.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, he was into my stuff.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He was into you and your stuff. Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He fucked up.

[Luann de Lesseps]

He fucked up. What?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, that was on him, saying he was in kind of Relationship with her?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And he went after you?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, kind of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Kind of, Kind of. But was he mad that you kind of aired it or not?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Aired what?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know. It went, like, public.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I didn't hear anything. No, it was just picked up because we watch what happens live. It was a moment. You know, when you see a connection with people, right. It's hard to like. So there's nothing going on there, which there wasn't. But we did go out and she tracked his phone and found out, which. Imagine finding out I was with other people, though, is what people don't know. So they think he spent the night. No, he did not. He came to my place with friends and then he hung out and then he left.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So no hooking up?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Luann, you're a bad liar.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm a terrible liar. My sunglasses.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Again, after Roni, so many other things would come, which is so fun. Like, Roni ended, but then he said, ultimate girls trip. Now we have this new dating show, Love hotel.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you film it already?

[Luann de Lesseps]

That's done.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's done. Oh, my God.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You're gonna love it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was a vibe.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Gonna fall in love with the love hotel.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Stop.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It was a great vibe. Really good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So fun to film as well.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, we had a great time. You know, it was more about the boys than the girls. Right. Which I love. It was not the drama with the girls. We're wingman for each other. Right. So the drama lies with the boys and talking about them. Right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So because we're literally, you know, picking people. It's like being a bouncer at a nightclub and going, you, you, and you, you. Others go away. Right. That's kind of. That was kind of new for me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How'd it feel?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Great.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did the girls.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You know, for once, I'm on the Other side of the. I'm on. They're on the casting couch, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And it's, you know, bachelor esque, but it's better because it's so personal to the housewives. And. And our thing we've got going on is housewives. Do you know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So it's much better than any other dating show you're gonna see, I think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

If you dated someone, would you rather him know who you are or not know?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, not. No, not.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. What do you want them to be, like, a Bravo fan? That's weird.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, weird. Like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, hi, would you want them to, like, social media or not?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Those guys on TV already, right. Aren't there?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, like, but you were into Joe Bradley. He's trying to be famous.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, but am I with Joe Bradley?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but you're into him for a second.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It's called a hot minute.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know, but what I'm saying is, to me, I remember that moment, I was like, he's kind of looking for clout.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, he was very happy to be on the show with me, that's for sure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And guess what? I've been around for a long time on the network, so he's not stupid.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

You see?

[Amanda Hirsch]

So that's why I'm saying, would you rather get with someone who, like, doesn't have a social media. Doesn't care about that life?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Definitely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like Olivier.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Exactly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, they don't want to be tagged on Instagram.

[Luann de Lesseps]

They do not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're not collab posting.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Why do they always caught out a lunch with Olivier?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. So I like serious dudes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Serious dudes.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Europeans, Europeans.

[Amanda Hirsch]

More than Americans.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. Well, I speak three languages, so I like Europeans. I like to speak languages.

[Amanda Hirsch]

French. What else?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Italian and English.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, Spanish and Spanish and Spanish.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Vamos.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Let's go to the beach.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So we all know, which I love that you're open about, which I love Amanda.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, I do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Can we make a remix? I love Amanda.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Wait, guess you did a remix.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who? Sam Star.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Bridgerton.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which one?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Nick? Nicola.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She did a remix of what?

[Luann de Lesseps]

She. Shoes or shoes? More she. Right, right. Raj. She doesn't know. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, where did.

[Luann de Lesseps]

She came to see me at Mighty Hoopla in London. She came up to me, the star of Bridgerton came to me and said, bravo. I know she's obsessed and she. And I love that she's what? I love her because she is real. I like people that are real. I don't care where you're from, it's about what you learned Money can't buy you. Exactly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes. She's obsessed. I'm so.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I know that she's such a great actress. I mean, I, I can never, you know, when that happens to me, I'm like, is this for real?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you can't believe people of all. Like, it's not just fanatic young Bravo people. It's like, no, Rihanna. You know, it's like, Rihanna's a huge, huge.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, listen, it goes.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Jennifer Lawrence is doing a movie now about the Housewives, right. With the famous Jeremy Oharas. We just met at the opening of Sunset Boulevard. Yes. We just sat next to him at Sunset Boulevard.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I was at the opening with Andrew Lloyd Webber and we talked because I know Andrew because we had a moment when he opened Phantom back after Covid. And we met Mr. Harris. Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So what do you do? Do you try to network in that moment? Are you late?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, he was sitting next to us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And he goes, I'm doing a movie about the Housewives of Jennifer Lawrence.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I told you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, yeah, he did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Were you, like. Do you need a cameo?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, no, he's. We're. We're friends now. It's. I. It's based on the Housewives.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I know, but get yourself in there, Amanda.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Okay. To the world. Of course. I mean, they need, you know, they need references.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I can tell them all the things that they don't even know that they saw on tv, but that I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Because guess what? I'm the real person that they're basing this movie on. Right. Or one of the persons. Because I'm not that important.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you want the tea?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm just one of the cast. But.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So did you set anything up with this Jeremy to give him the deets? Kinda maybe.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Kinda maybe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, but I need to ask you, Luanne, back to the dating thing for a minute because I love how open you are about, you know, dating younger than you dating old. Like, you don't care about the age thing. No, which I love that. Normalize it for the women too, you know. Why can, like, do it?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Listen, I, you know, 20 year olds. My son is 28 now. My son Noel, so 20 somethings. I'm. I, I don't go there unless somebody comes running after me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Then you're like, yeah, but I don't.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I don't dip my phone to that button.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So. 30 plus.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I like it. No, age appropriate. I like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, age appropriate. Yeah, like 50s. Oh. Why do I think you liked Young Girl a little bit for.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well, I I do. No dabble. I dabble. 40s are into my stuff. 50s are like, I'm 50, I need a 20 year old.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And the six year olds are like. Have a problem with the, you know, lower levels. Ramona would call it. I call it the basement.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, what are the lower levels?

[Luann de Lesseps]

They get a problem in the lower level.

[Amanda Hirsch]

50S. The 50s.

[Luann de Lesseps]

60S.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, 60s.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I feel that.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, the 50 year olds are like, oh, I'm 15.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Now we need a 20 year old. The midlife crisis.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Thing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So I dabble in late 40s or late 50s.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Is there anyone currently taking space in that heart? Luanne.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Well.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, she is very happy. She didn't come in singing. You know, it could be the cabaret, but it could be a mix.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It could be last night. This day was epic.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God, I'm so glad I got you after Sam Smith.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Okay, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What?

[Luann de Lesseps]

That's true. Well, I saw a lot of people. I saw a lot of people last night. It was Michael Kors. Sarah Jessica Parker that. I got to talk for a minute. And I love Michael Kors. I've known him for a long time. And Bryn Dorinda, I saw D from across the room.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I was like, dorinda, wait, when is the New York date for this show?

[Luann de Lesseps]

For the Love Hotel?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, cabaret.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, sorry. November 15th.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, we're going. Regina, note it in the cow.

[Luann de Lesseps]

But I'm already sold out in New York. But I'm gonna find a place for you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Can you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Roger. Roger Dodger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's like, roger, can you find a place for me?

[Luann de Lesseps]

You know what? I told them two dates would have been better. And they. You know what? But in cabaret, sometimes you have to leave them wanting more.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is true.

[Luann de Lesseps]

So we're going to do. In spring, we're doing a show at Town Hall.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, I love Town Hall.

[Luann de Lesseps]

That's great, darling. Coming to Town Hall.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, I'm coming to Town Hall. Quick New York questions for our New Yorker. No longer a New Yorker, though, right? Where are you now?

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm all over, but we just got back from London promoting my tour in 2025, which I'm so excited. I'm playing the original theater of Sunset Boulevard, where it was born. And I was just at Sunset Boulevard with.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you're dying. You're dying. Still. You get starstruck. Huh? The Countess, she gets starstruck.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Andrew Lloyd Webber.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

And Nicole Scherzinger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, she's. Oh, wow.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Wow. I was on the Masked Singer. She was a judge, right? I Didn't. I've never seen her perform. Girlfriend. Oh, wait, Luanne.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Where's the abode though? Where's home?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Home is New York and the Hamptons.

[Amanda Hirsch]

New York and the Hamptons.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah. And now London and my next abode is London.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're not currently though.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, but I'm.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We'll get a flat.

[Luann de Lesseps]

We're gonna get a flat. Roger.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Roger.

[Luann de Lesseps]

We're gonna flat.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Roger got a flat. Okay, quick New York questions. Do you take the subway?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Rarely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Best bar?

[Luann de Lesseps]

Best bar. Corner bar.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Best first date spot.

[Luann de Lesseps]

First date spot. My apartment.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh. Best restaurant. Like what? Your favorite food.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I love Abra.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I like Greek food.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Huh.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Healthy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Best hangover cure spot.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, Beltazar.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really? Okay. Not like a bagel.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Never bagel. That's how she looks. Like that?

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, I like. I like. Oh, mou fr. What's that? Mussels and fries.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, I forgot you. Mussels and fries for a hangover cure.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Best place to meet men at Bed Bath and Beyond. In the home section.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Maybe like taken men.

[Luann de Lesseps]

They're buying toasters because they've been kicked out of their apartments or whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Your favorite neighborhood in New York.

[Luann de Lesseps]

They have resigned.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Love that Upper east side Represent.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, I like. Like the Merck Hotel. The Carlisle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I like. Yeah. Hell yeah. FMK Fish room at Bluestone Manor. The hotel room from Crappie Lake or the boat ride from hell.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh my God. What was the first one?

[Amanda Hirsch]

The fish room at Bluestone Manor.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'm going to marry it because she changed it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's no longer has fish room.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, no, no.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Luann de Lesseps]

D is here. So Mary and F. I'm going to have the motel room.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Because it's dirty and like.

[Luann de Lesseps]

It's dirty. And Sonya fucked in that motel. So I'm going to do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who am I killing? I guess you're killing the boat ride. Are you okay with that?

[Luann de Lesseps]

They almost killed us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, that's true.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Are you kidding me? That worked out really well.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The motherfucking count.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Boat ride from hell.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Luanne, I love you, darling. Thank you.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Can't wait for you to see my cabaret.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I can't wait either.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Kill. Are you obsessed with that song?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm obsessed.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Me too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Everybody, if you haven't seen Luanne perform and even if you have go again. She's on tour.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Oh, this is all new.

[Amanda Hirsch]

My Christmas.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And she's done tour forever. Because you're planning 2025. So we're. We're on the road.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I'll see you in maybe in London.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, Luanne, I'm coming in New York.

[Luann de Lesseps]

No, come to London. It's so much more fun. Come to Dublin. Luanne, girl, we talked to Europe. Come to Europe. Come to Europe with me. You're going to get married in one second or you're already married.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, Imagine I'm coming and then I get on a train.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Single.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know children. If I was single, she'd kidnap me.

[Luann de Lesseps]

Who's got my vape?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why? You said you don't vape.

[Luann de Lesseps]

I do on occasion.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.