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Amanda Hirsch
The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I.
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Lucy Hale
Still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars.
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Amanda Hirsch
From my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.
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Lucy Hale
Hi, guys. I sound like this because I've been sick since last Saturday. The flu is no joke this year. I just feel like we're back to Covid. Like, the flu is Covid, and if you don't quarantine, like, everyone's going to get it. And you can get it at any point. Like, what is going on? What is this winter? Like, everybody is sick and, like, it's just crazy. And what's wild this time is that I didn't even get it for my kids. I brought it. I brought it on the family, which is obviously the guilt. And again, I'm like, who gave it to me? Like, no, it's literally Covid times. And I feel so horrible because now I'm starting to feel a bit better. But Lenny and Noah have it. Guess who doesn't? And I don't want to jinx him. I do not. Believe me, I do not want another sick baby in the house. But, like, guess who doesn't Guess who sleeps with me in bed and didn't get out. What is his secret? Because Lenny's getting breast milk, which should have antibodies in it. Like, I try to be healthy, take all the supplements and whatever. How is this man not getting it? Again, do not want to jinx, but there must be something to being just completely unhealthy and having unhealthy insides, because I. I'm starting to think, like, that maybe that's it. Like, create a breeding ground that even a disease doesn't want to be in. Like, that must be it. Here we are creating healthy, healthy environments for diseases to flourish in. Like, no, I actually don't understand. Obviously. Please don't jinx it, because again, if he gets it, it's not going to be like, me, where, like, if I'm. If I'm in bed all day, like, I'm done. So, like, And. And. And the minute I had, like, the. The. The littlest of energy, I, like, freaking was making Noah French toast. Okay? Like, us women were crazy. A man. Oh, my God. We know it's called the man flu for a reason. Anyway, super hope he doesn't get it. But it's just. I'm telling you, there's something else to be looked at here. There's, like, a different method here to our. All of our healthy living. Is. Is not it, guys? Is not it. Anyway, isn't there always one person in a couple? There's a person that, like, goes. Opens a window, they want to air out the house or the room, or all of a sudden, you come back and you're like, somebody. Somebody shut the window, because that's the other person in the couple. That is the window shutter. You have the person opening, and then you have the person shedding. Always. It's like you have the person that's hot and cold. You're never, like, on the same. On the same temperature. I literally was up in the middle of the night with Lenny yesterday, and then I see this article about how, like, Katy Perry is going to space with Lauren Sanchez and Gail, and I was just like, what? You know, like, Gail King, this is unlike you, you know? And then I was like, wait. And it reminded me. I was like, wasn't Pete Davidson supposed.
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Amanda Hirsch
To go to space?
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Lucy Hale
Like, what happened? Just, like, got canceled. Like, sorry, your rocket isn't leaving. Nbd, guys. Remember, it was when he was dating Kim, so it was like, the Bezos connection. Why did that flight get canceled? Also, are you guys insane? Who in their right mind would want to go to space except, like, astronauts? Like, even Noah, when he's at school, and he had a day of, like, what do you want to be? And he was like, an astronaut. I was like, you are not going to space. Like, I took it seriously. I was like, no, no. Like, that's scary. What, you're that confident in, like, space and shooting out of a rocket, Are you? Do you have a death wish? Like, I don't understand these people. Are you bored, Katy Perry? I don't know. Not. I mean, it adds up for me, for her, for some reason. You know? Like, I don't know why. Not feeling it. I'm not feeling it, guys. And you know what we should be able to say when we're not feeling something? Even though I get such guilt when I say something negative. Like, you know, last week I was talking about Millie Bobby Brown just coming out with a new movie with Chris Pratt, which, like, is anybody gonna watch? Like, no, it's. Is anybody gonna watch this movie? I don't even know, like, what it's called. Like, I saw so many pictures of her promoting it, and I'm like, I don't know what this movie is, but, like, they are the stars. Like, are they supposed to be in a romantic relationship? Is she playing his daughter? Like, I don't even care. I don't even want to know. Like, it's just not appealing to me. But I made a comment about how, you know, she doesn't dress her age. She doesn't. Isn't styled her age. Not the hair, not the makeup, not the clothes. And I do feel bad saying that because it feels mean. But then I want to remind myself of Joan Rivers and I want to remind myself that, like, I'm not saying anything about her, her personality, her, her, her beauty, because she's beautiful and she, by the way, she's like, so cool, so down to earth. She, like, lives with chickens and like, does I would never do on like farms. And I just think. I don't understand. Also, literally, the comment sections are so mean about her looking like, you know, 50 years old and all this, which I'm sure she sees in her team sees. So why not like, aim and work on like, looking her age, dressing her age? She has these like French tips. You guys, like, like the New Jersey Housewives. Like, that's where you see those French tips. Her hair is dyed blonde. A lot of people are thinking she's going to be playing Britney Spears in the biopic. She also got asked this on a red carpet and her answer was very like, I would die to play her. It would be such an honor. And it seemed kind of like she is a front runner in that. Like, this might be happening, but still people are like, that explains it. I'm like, no, it doesn't. It explains maybe the blonde hair. It does not explain the style choices. I just would really like to see her being young and fun. She's 21. I did see some comments of you being like, maybe she wants to look older because she is married and everyone thinks she's like 12 years old and married. Maybe she wants to be like, no, I'm actually 50. Or she wants, like to be considered maybe for different parts. Maybe she wants to be considered for like a 30 year old part. And like, people are like, no, you're 11. She's like, no, I'm 50. So I don't know. All I know is like, so much can be done and it's almost like, why isn't it, you know? Anyway, let's get into today's podcast, shall we? I've been waiting for so long to be able to release this episode because I had so much fun recording this episode. A lot of times I won't do zoom interviews because I'm like, you won't vibe as well. The connection is harder through, like, a screen. But I didn't want to miss out on interviewing this guest. And when we finished the Zoom interview, I was, like, high. I was like, this was so fun. I had such a blast. I connected with this person. It felt like, let's go to dinner. Like, let's take this on the road, you know? And I just loved her so much. I. I had so much fun talking to her. She has a movie coming out. It's called F Marry Kill. I think I said it wrong a thousand times in the interview. Please don't judge me. She's so fun. She taught me about my star. Rising moon, shining, all that, which I never was into, but she got me into it. In this interview, you'll hear about it.
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Amanda Hirsch
It's Lucy Hale.
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Lucy Hale
Lucy Hale, a lover. You know her since Pretty Little Liars, and she's just so great. She's been through so much. She's so open and honest, and, you know, she's. She's sober. She talks about that. And she's come a very long way. And now she's in this movie, F Marry Kill, which is super fun. It's a plan all, like, what we know the Mary Kill game, and it's kind of like a mur. Mystery that's really fun and cute. Anyway, so here. Listen to our conversation. Like, you'll be obsessed. I just love it, love it, love her. Lucy Hill, everybody.
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Holy. Hi.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, where are you physically? I need to. Now that I'm invested, I need to know.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah, take a guess. You get three guesses.
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Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
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Lucy Hale
Like, prison.
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Amanda Hirsch
Not in your home, I don't think.
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Lucy Hale
I'm not at home. I met. I'm at Buzzfeed Studios right now, and we were doing a bunch of press, and so we were not at a hospital. We're just in a press room.
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Amanda Hirsch
And you're in, like, a director's chair. No problem. Chair.
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Lucy Hale
And I was saying I need, like, a plant for some. Some. Some liveliness. But I was gonna say, I'm so excited to chat with you.
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh, I'm so excited you're here. And because you're in Buzzfeed. This is a buzzfeed movie they are coming out with.
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Lucy Hale
Yes. Which is, like, Buzzfeed. And it's my second movie with Buzzfeed, and, yeah, it's. It's very. It's very exciting.
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Amanda Hirsch
Well, tell them that in, like, 2015, I applied for, like, jobs there to write those listicles, and they didn't even give me a phone interview. No problem.
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Lucy Hale
Bullshit.
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Amanda Hirsch
I'm Later.
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Lucy Hale
I'm leaving. We gotta go. We must go. I'm gonna tell him. Tell him.
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Amanda Hirsch
And I ended up doing something else. No, probably.
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Lucy Hale
I was like, I feel like things worked out for you. I feel like it worked out.
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Amanda Hirsch
You guys, Lucy Hale is here. This is so exciting. Thank you so much for coming on. And I love that you have. We're both with our giant jugs.
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Lucy Hale
So this is my emotional support water bottle. And it's true, I take this everywhere with me. It's my erewhon. It's my erewhon bottle. I think I probably use it because I. It's too expensive.
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Amanda Hirsch
But, well, it's simple. Modern is the brand. Wait, question though. Lucy, can you turn it upside down? It doesn't spill.
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Lucy Hale
Oh, I'm nervous.
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Amanda Hirsch
Try.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah, but you know what happen sometimes when I'm driving through the hills to get back home? Like over the hill and down that the. The pressure. So when I open it, it will up. Have you ever done this on an airplane? Have you?
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Amanda Hirsch
I have.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah, I know, but I used to not know. And so for all those listening, you'll find out the hard way.
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Amanda Hirsch
I just want to tell you, hydro jug, like for your next one, I highly recommend.
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Lucy Hale
Okay, give me. Sell me on it. Why?
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Amanda Hirsch
I don't know. There's something about like this straw situation is a little bit more delicate than like the thick square one that the simple modern one has. And I feel like my simple modern used to like leak a little. And this I'm like, I. I can do this.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
I'm just saying change is good, you know, Good.
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Lucy Hale
And that's also a nice color. I like that color.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, it is a nice color. Speaking of color, I did want to ask you because I've been thinking about this. You had a bob for so long. Do you still have a bob?
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Lucy Hale
I do, I do, but. But it's back because I'm in the grow out phase of the bob of like the not so cute kind of hits.
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Amanda Hirsch
Well, that's the problem with a bob though.
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Lucy Hale
It's tough. People tell you like, get a bob. It's. It's low maintenance. Like, it's no effort. Bullshit. It takes so much more work, especially if you have like coarser, curly, thicker hair. Because what mine does is just expands.
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Amanda Hirsch
So. But you've been with the bob since. Since the show ended. No.
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Lucy Hale
Well, I just chopped it a couple of months ago. It had gotten really long. But the secret is like the undercut. So under, underneath, every great bob is like almost like mine's almost Been buzz cutty underneath because it makes it lay flat. And so that's why the grow out is so tough because, you know, my hair is, you know, half an inch less, a couple of centimeters underneath it all. So. So I'm growing it out a little now, but I do feel like it's so silly to be, like, I feel like myself with a haircut, but I really do feel like myself with short hair. I don't know, really.
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Amanda Hirsch
I wonder because you in this movie, in Mary F. Kel, you have, like, longer, more flowy hair. And I couldn't help but notice, and I was like, this, like, changes you. You know what I mean? Because we're so used to you in that bob for, like. That's why I started thinking about the bob. And I was like, the flow really kind of changes you.
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Lucy Hale
It's so. It's so funny that you say that, because I think initially when I cut my hair, it. It's so funny because whenever I cut my hair, it's. It has to do with something I'm going through personally. Right? Like, when I initially cut my hair, I was like, I just wanted to be different, and I wanted it to stand out. And so that's why I did it, because I was like. I just. I was seeking, like, something different for myself. It's. It's like the same thing when people cut bangs. You're like, are you okay? Are you going through something? You know? And then I. I'd grown my hair out for the last couple of years, and it had gotten really long again. And there is something nice about when you're an actor, just the versatility of having longer hair, because it. It can, like, kind of make you more of a chameleon. But then I chopped my hair again this summer because I was like. I wouldn't even say it was exactly a breakup, but I was, like, going through something with a guy, and I wanted. My initial thing is always when something ends well. I want to cut my hair. I want to, like, get a piercing. I want to get a tattoo. I want to, like. It's so extreme. And I think that that is just my personality. Like, I'm very. That's like the Scorpio moon in me. Like, just very intense about things. And.
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Amanda Hirsch
And there's also, as a woman, not much you can do with change. Like, there is, like. There is just so much you can change. Right? Hair is, like, a really easy one to do.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah, I guess you can change. What else can you change? You can change.
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Amanda Hirsch
You can do tattoos. You can Change your hair. I just. I. I had blonde hair until two days ago, so that's why I'm in the hair. Yeah. Does it look like I'm.
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Lucy Hale
Is this your natural? Because it looks.
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Amanda Hirsch
So I dyed it to my. Like, I told her I was like. Because I was blonde, like. Like a dirty blonde, naturally. And then I was like, I'm so over these, like, highlights, you know? So I just went randomly, didn't tell anybody. Felt really badass. Told the hairstylist, like, go to my natural, but, like, just enhance it a bit so I can. And then yesterday, I got more dramatic, and I did an eyelash. Eyelash tint and lift. Have you ever done it? Oh, my God. It would look insane on you.
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Lucy Hale
The lift is crazy. Like, the lift. The first week after you get an eyelash lift, you look in the mirror and, like, nothing can stop you. You're like, I am invincible.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, no, it's. It's a crazy change. Like, I don't have makeup on right now, and to me, that's why I don't do it often, because I'm like, this is too much. Like, I'm mostly in loungewear, you know? Yeah. So, like, having these eyes, it's just crazy. But your eyes are so crazy. With an eyelash lift intent, it would be.
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Lucy Hale
It kind of. Yeah. I mean, I have to pick and choose because it does. It's, like, way more glam, but. Oh, you look great. The hair color is really. Really suits you. It's nice.
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Amanda Hirsch
Thank you, babe. So what tattoos do you have? I see one here. What is that one?
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Lucy Hale
Oh, I have this one that I got with the Pretty Little Liar Girls. We got our character initials on our shush finger. This is. It says, I love you was my grandmother's handwriting. I have a few I'm getting removed. They're right here. You can't really see them.
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Amanda Hirsch
Why are you getting them removed?
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Lucy Hale
I'm slowly removing all my tattoos.
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Amanda Hirsch
It's really not your grandmother's?
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Lucy Hale
Yeah, not this one. No. I'm keeping this. I'm keeping my butterfly, and I'm keeping my dog's name, but I used to have some here. I used to have rib ones. I've gotten a lot of those removed for a couple of reasons. I think it's. It does take a lot to cover them for acting, and a lot of my characters don't. Don't have tattoos. So it's more time in the makeup chair. But also, I just feel like I've. I've changed so much in the last couple of Years that, like, it almost feels like the tattoos don't fit who I am anymore. Even though it's like kind of sad because tattoos tell a story. But listen, I got some of those tattoos and they were very poorly done and weren't really thought. Thought through, so.
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Amanda Hirsch
So you're gonna get all of them except the I love you. And this maybe I have.
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Lucy Hale
Am I going to keep that one? I don't know. I got. I got the one on my neck removed. Oh. I have my nieces and nephews birthdays right here. So I'll keep that. That's my nickname. It says Lulu. I have light right here, which is the meaning of Lucy. I'm going to keep a few of them at some point. At one point in my life, I had like 22 tattoos, which is crazy.
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Amanda Hirsch
Are you gonna keep the PLL one?
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Lucy Hale
Yeah, of course I have.
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Amanda Hirsch
Did I. Am I. You just posted recently like that it pisses you off that you were off center, right? With the shush.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah. So in the original show, in the, in the beginning, in the intro, I do the shush and it's like very obvious that my finger is like, well off the center of my mouth. It's like not even slightly. It's like an inch off my mouth. And I remember back in the day, I was so embarrassed by that because people. People were like, blaming me. And I was thinking, you know, we. We shot that all day. Why would they choose the take where it was off? And now I kind of love it because I was like, is that on purpose? Because it got people talking. I was like, maybe it was intentional.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, I don't know. They could have. I mean, the. I mean, the AI isn't what it is today, but they could have fucking moved it without.
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Lucy Hale
Or they could have just said like, hey, Lucy, babe, like, move your finger over. You know, caught that so many times. So I almost. I'm like, maybe it was on purpose.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Except I never buy. I do buy into those, like, conspiracies when people are like, they're wanting to do it because they want people talk. People actually think that sometimes like even like an influencer does, like a typo so that she gets more comments like, people are crazy.
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Lucy Hale
I.
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But I actually think some people are calculated in that way. Absolutely.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Lucy Hale
Yeah. Even like someone might wear something that's like, not that cute just to get people talk. You know what I'm saying?
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Amanda Hirsch
That's faux show. Oh, by the way, you know who else got his tattoos removed recently?
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Lucy Hale
David.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah.
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Lucy Hale
Can't even imagine what he'd look like without all of them. I wonder what his reasoning was. Maybe the same as, he looks really healthy.
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Amanda Hirsch
There was, like, a pad pic of him and mgk, and at first I was like, oh, my God, he looks so good and so healthy and. And then it took me a minute to be like, whoa, wait, the tattoos aren't there.
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Lucy Hale
That had to have been, you know, because I know how painful it is to get, like, tiny ones lasered. I can't even imagine leaves off.
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Amanda Hirsch
That's like, an. An undertaking.
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Lucy Hale
That really is.
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Amanda Hirsch
What if Pete Davidson slid into your dms? Except he doesn't have an Instagram.
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Lucy Hale
He doesn't have an Instagram, which I think is so cool. Great. I feel like at this point in my life, like, less. Less of. Like, less of that is.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Lucy Hale
Feeling to me.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, I got it. I get it. But would you, like, is a guy without an Instagram attractive?
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Lucy Hale
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Lucy Hale
Oh, I think so. I, like, I. Because I grew up on the show and, like, in the public eye, I put way too much out there, I think. And I realize now, like, there are certain parts of my life, like, I will. I'm very open about my journey and, like, my personal journey, and that's been really great. But, like, my dating life, my. That whole side of my life, like, I don't think I'll ever publicly speak about, really. Because, like, there have been people who've speculated that I've been dating people that I'm not dating yet. There are, like, other people that I was dating and, like, in love with that people never knew about. And I think that that is. It's important for me to keep some things sacred and not in a way of, like. Because I think there's also people that don't talk about things because they want people to talk about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like that. It's more that I recognize what social media has done to my psyche at certain times in my life and, like, caring too much and caring about perception. Like, I have to really be conscious about what I'm revealing.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Lucy Hale
I do wear my heart on my sleeve. And I. I don't. I try not to overthink things, so it's a fine line.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. And speaking of social media profiles, because obviously the movie has to do with, like, dating apps and stuff like that. But let's start with social media. What would be the perfect, like, profile that if you swiped on a guy on an app, you'd be like, oh, this is a good profile. Like, what would he have going on? What would be the bio? You know?
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Lucy Hale
Like, yeah, well, I can talk about, like, what turns me off, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I am on a dating app and I'm like, always very confused. Like, I always know by the. The clarity of the image. Like, sometimes people will post, like, pixelated photos and I'm thinking this is a. Like, it's such a red flag for me because I was like, you don't even care about the quality of the photo. Which, like, I guess could be kind of sexy because.
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Right.
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Amanda Hirsch
I'm like, you can look at it both ways. Like, you don't even care about the quality. You know what I mean?
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Lucy Hale
You know what I love? Like, some people will put in. They almost look like vintage style photographs. So I feel like if I'm seeing someone on a dating app, like, it's very grounded, it's very subdued. Like, I'm not swiping for the people that are, like, shirtless. And like, if you're posting a headshot, forget about it. Like, no.
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Amanda Hirsch
And abs. If you're posting a shirtless pic with some abs.
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Lucy Hale
No, it's a. It's a no. It's a no for me.
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Amanda Hirsch
If you're posting, playing the guitar can be hot. Okay.
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Lucy Hale
Because my Achilles heel is a musician.
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Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
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Lucy Hale
Love it. I'm very confused when you post, like, a group photo. Why? Why? Which do. Who are you in the photo?
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Amanda Hirsch
You know, you know what's a good. What's a. What do they call it? A green flag? Like, maybe with like, a niece or a nephew.
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Lucy Hale
Cute. But then I'm like, is that your kid? Like, do you come with baggage? Like, how's your ex is the baby mama?
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, right. It's also confusing. You're right. You're right.
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Lucy Hale
But I do love when I see a dog or two in the photo.
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh, a dog. That's cute. And how much do you want to be swiping down? Like, would you rather him have like nine photos or like, like three or four solid?
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Lucy Hale
Maybe. Maybe. Let's say like four to five solid photos. I feel like I.
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Amanda Hirsch
And no reels and zero reels.
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Lucy Hale
Hero reels. Like, I'm on a dating app where it's only. You don't share much info, but it's just, like, pictures. It's Raya. You know Raya. So.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Lucy Hale
So, yeah. Dear God, don't post. We don't need videos. Like, what's the dating app where people can leave, like, little voice memos?
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh, I don't Know, fill me in, girl. I'm like, I think it's hinge.
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Lucy Hale
Oh, on hinge. But, like, it's. It's an option where you can like, say, talk. Say something.
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Amanda Hirsch
I mean, for you, it would be good because you have such a sexy voice. For me, it would be like, oh, my God. And they would like, swipe left or whatever the no is. I don't know.
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Lucy Hale
I. Yeah, I just don't think that we need that. I don't think we need to.
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Amanda Hirsch
Raya is just pics. Like, not even a bio.
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Lucy Hale
No, you can do a bio. Like, it says name, it says occupation. And then you can add like a quirky little thing, and then you can scroll down and you can put a song. Oh. Kind of like a MySpace minimal, which I like. Like, I feel I've seen other ones and it's just too much information. Like, that's what you need when you meet the person.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Lucy Hale
You know?
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Amanda Hirsch
Right. So is Raya the only one that you're on?
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Lucy Hale
Only one, yeah. And I've canceled it. It's like, I'll cancel it and get back on. Cancel it, get back on. But yeah, it's the only one. Only one I've ever been on.
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Amanda Hirsch
We'll be right back after the break.
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Amanda Hirsch
You guys, it is time. We've been waiting for this ever since the first press release about Mindy Kaling, who created the Mindy Project and the sex lives of college girls. And everything Mindy Kaling does is just so good and funny, and I become obsessed with it instantly. So ever since we saw the press release that she is teaming up with Kate Hudson, who's going to star in her show, I was, like, waiting for the show to come out. And finally we're here. It's out. Running Point is out on Netflix. You guys can stream it right now. You can binge all of it, which we love. This is just, like the perfect show. You can watch with your partner. You can binge it on your own. And it's just so fun to see Kate Hudson back where she's supposed to be in comedy. Okay. She's comedy gold. This new, hilarious show, Running Point, is just genius. So if you guys want to know what it's about, I'll give you a little bit of background, no spoilers, but basically, there was a pro basketball team called the Los Angeles Waves, and a scandal kind of happens. And Isla Gordon, who Kate Hudson plays, has to step up to run this family business and has, like, dysfunctional brothers and the board, they aren't thrilled that she's doing this. Everyone in the sports world is really raising eyebrows, but guess what? Isla, played by Kate Hudson, ends up showing everyone she can run the game better than anyone. And she's calling the shots, like it or not.
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Lucy Hale
Ugh.
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Amanda Hirsch
It's just so good. You guys run over to Netflix and binge Running Point. Right now, it's streaming only on Netflix. Get ready to binge your new favorite comedy.
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Kat Schneider
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Amanda Hirsch
And we're back. So let's talk about the movie Mary of Kill. I watched it yesterday, by the way. By the time this comes out, it'll either be available soon to. To watch in theater in select theaters. Right?
- [29:30]
Lucy Hale
Yeah. And then. And then wherever you buy movies, I guess they call it streaming digital. Well, I. Not. Yes, streaming, because you can eat it on, like, Amazon or Apple. But. But it's. I don't. Basically, I'm stuttering because, like, I pay for it.
- [29:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Because you pay for it.
- [29:47]
Lucy Hale
But I'm not sure where it's going yet.
- [29:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Right, okay, we can clarify. We can clarify once this comes out. But. So Mary of Kill, and it's super cool because it's like murder mystery vibes meets, like, dating meets, literally, Mary of Kill. And you play Eva, which. I love that name. It really.
- [30:06]
Lucy Hale
Yeah. They called her Eva Bea in the.
- [30:10]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. Well. Well, not really. Right.
- [30:12]
Lucy Hale
Well, she was confused. She was like, why'd you call me Eva Biva? Yeah. No, Eva is a great name. You don't hear it that often.
- [30:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Right. I liked it. So what. What drew you to this movie? Did you. Did you love the vibe that it was like, Mary F. Kill and murder mystery is kind of, like, comfortable?
- [30:28]
Lucy Hale
I loved that it was blending genres in a really fun way because everyone obviously is obsessed with true crime right now. That's like the latest. The latest craze over the last couple of years. And everyone on the Internet loves to be a part of figuring out these mysteries. We've seen that on TikTok. People have even solved murder mysteries online. And then it married that with a rom com, and then you have f Marry Kill. And so we loved the idea of playing around with. At any given moment, Eva wants to f marry or. And thinks one of them is the killer at any given time. So it was very fun. And I think, like, with this movie, finding the tone was we had to get it right because, like, you're reading the script, you're like, oh, this is so fun. But. But how do we make it feel grounded and realistic? And. And because we wanted it to be funny. And it is very funny. But we're also dealing with, like, very heavy themes. We're dealing with a serial killer and women getting murdered. And so I think like, how we found the tone of the movie was like, that part we took very seriously, like, the mystery part, the finding the serial killer, like, women's safety. Like, we took all of that very seriously. And then where the comedy played in was just through my character, who's just kind of, like, unhinged a little bit. So it was fun. It was. You know, often I've done a couple of rom coms, and usually it's just like finding the chemistry with one person. But lucky me, I got to find it with three.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Wait, were you producing this as well? Did you?
- [32:04]
Lucy Hale
I did not produce this one, no.
- [32:07]
Amanda Hirsch
But it sounds like you were, like, invested in, like, the way that it was also being made and the way you told the story and stuff.
- [32:13]
Lucy Hale
Yeah, I mean, at this point in my career, like, I. I appreciate people who want to collaborate with me and was very grateful. The director, Laura Murphy, is just such a badass and really wanted my input and some of the creative decisions, which is cool, because sometimes it can be scary as an actor to just, like, show up, not really know what's going on. Like, you're only. You know, my job, really, is to show up and do my lines, and that's my part. And then you let everyone else obviously do their role, but with this, I got to really be a part of the say and, you know, who the other cast was and, like, the wardrobe and some of the dialogue. And so it was a great collaborative experience.
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Amanda Hirsch
What's so crazy? Because you were saying about it being like, you know, that you had to protect this, like, fine line, but what's wild is. So you guys, this movie is about. This girl goes on a dating app and ends up dating three different guys. And there is. Meanwhile, there's, like, a murder mystery in town, and she thinks she might be dating one of the.
- [33:19]
Lucy Hale
Dating the.
- [33:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, there's a dating.
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Lucy Hale
He's called White Bright Killer. He's on the loose in this town. And she thinks she might. One of the guys she's dating, she might be dating him, but. But mainly, she sets out to prove her friends and sister wrong.
- [33:34]
Amanda Hirsch
And they were also worried for you.
- [33:37]
Lucy Hale
They were very worried. And then, you know, there's a really great twist at the end.
- [33:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes, I was not expecting that.
- [33:43]
Lucy Hale
Stay here. But it's very fun. And that's all I'll say about that.
- [33:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, there's a. There's a big twist. But you know what's wild that you were saying, like, it's not what's scary and crazy. It's, like, not that Far fetched. Not the twist, but the whole movie. Like, the fact that the girls got so invested in this that one of them is, like, tracking people. You know what I mean? Like, that people get so invested in things. And like you said, people are literally. There are entire accounts dedicated in podcasts. I mean, that your character listens to one of those podcasts in the. In the movie. But, like, it's wild that it's not that far fetched for, like, to be involved in something like this.
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Lucy Hale
It's not that far fetched at all. And if there were a serial killer on the loose, like, I bet there are women who would be willing to go out there and fight the good fight to, like, find out who it is.
- [34:37]
Amanda Hirsch
I know there was points in the movie when you were like, you know, when you went in to, like, get DNA or like, something like that, where I'm like, oh, my. Why is she going like, what?
- [34:46]
Lucy Hale
What?
- [34:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Is she dumb? And it's like, yeah, she is, like, brave. And you need a little.
- [34:51]
Lucy Hale
Yeah, brave and dumb. You're right. It's. It's a marriage of the two.
- [34:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, I actually thought the killer was going to be someone that it. I thought, without spoiling, the killer was going to be. Yeah, I thought the killer was going to be. Meaning at the end, when you thought it was gonna be one guy, I thought it was gonna be a different guy. And then obviously there was like, you know, and then.
- [35:09]
Lucy Hale
Anyway, you were surprised.
- [35:12]
Amanda Hirsch
I. Oh, my God. I was so. I even. You know what? It's wild. I had to rewind.
- [35:16]
Lucy Hale
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
But you know when you have to do that, you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
- [35:19]
Lucy Hale
Yeah. Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
What? How did this. How do we get here? Yeah, how do we get here? So it's such a fun movie, you guys. You should. You should all watch Mary F. Kill. Go see it down on Demand.
- [35:32]
Lucy Hale
Or they're saying it's. It's on digital.
- [35:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Or it's on digital.
- [35:36]
Lucy Hale
Used to be called On Demand, but now it's on digital.
- [35:39]
Amanda Hirsch
So could you see, like, how much of a person like Eva are you? Are you paranoid? Are you sus. Could you see yourself getting, like, deeply involved in something you shouldn't have?
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Lucy Hale
I think one of my skills I've had since I was a little kid, I'm, like, very intuitive about people's intentions. I've always had that. I always, like, see through. Like, if someone's saying something to me, like, and they don't mean it, I see through that and I see and feel what they really mean in Hollywood.
- [36:06]
Amanda Hirsch
That must be tough.
- [36:07]
Lucy Hale
It's been. It's been really helpful for me, I think. And it's like, I don't mean just like, ooh, I can scope out, like, the slimy creeps. It's more just like, if someone is behaving a certain way, but I can really see, like, they're in pain or they're, you know, going through, like, I feel that, and I'm like, oh, they're being a bitch. But, like, underneath that, I can see, like, they're. They're going through some shit. Right. And I. I feel like I've been like that since a little kid, but. But it has helped me out. I'd say just, like, kind of gauging who's real and not or just, like, who is my vibe or not. It doesn't. It doesn't mean I've always listened to it because, you know, I've dated some people where I'm like, damn it, I missed the signs.
- [36:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [36:46]
Lucy Hale
The red flags. And they were.
- [36:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, you know, somebody said recently, which is so true about these red flags, which, you know, us as a culture, we really learn a new word, and then we abuse it. So we're like, red flags. Toxic narcissist. Like, all these. Yeah. But somebody, I think, Anna Kendrick, recently said, like, that the whole red flag thing is such a kind of annoying way because you're putting it kind of on the woman. Like, how didn't you notice I missed the red flags?
- [37:18]
Lucy Hale
It's. It does bring the shame back to the woman. You're absolutely right.
- [37:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. So I really, like, resonated with that. I was like, we're all, like, looking back, like, how didn't we see these red flags? And we ignored these red flags. And it's like, it's not that easy to, like, see them not seeing green flag, red flags. It's like, no, at the end of the day, you're, like, in a relationship. You have feelings. Like, it's not.
- [37:43]
Lucy Hale
I agree. And I also think, like, both of those things can exist at the same time. Like, you can date someone who's wonderful and amazing and genuine, while also, like, they're. You know, they have some flaws as well and that, you know, like, we can be. We can be both, and both of those things can. Can coexist. But I actually never had recognized that, like, the. The red flag thing kind of makes it our fault again.
- [38:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Here we are, all of us, either ignoring red flags, catching the flags. Is there anything, like, you notice, like, what's your. If you go On a first date, kind of like immediate. This is going to be a no for me, dog. Like, is there any kind of, dare I say, red flag that really, like, you're out.
- [38:29]
Lucy Hale
I think I really get a sense of a person within like the first 30 seconds. Like, I think I more gravitate these days towards someone who like, regulates my nervous system and calms me down as opposed to like that butterfly, like, like nervous feeling. Usually I know that's my sign to run. Like, if I feel really calm in someone's presence, like, that is someone that I should be open to. And I think also I've been on a lot of dates where people. And it could just be a nervous thing on their part where they don't ask a lot of questions and they are just talking about themselves the whole time and you're just sitting here. There's no like, reciprocal conversation or energy happening and you're just like. But I do equate that to maybe being nervous or not knowing. But, but also, like, for me, the most attractive quality in someone is self awareness and awareness of others. And, and it's actually, it's been kind of rare. It's kind of rare to come to come by that quality. But yeah, I feel like on a first date, if they're not asking a lot of questions, that's it. I'm, I'm, I'm an open book. Like, I don't really necessarily have a type physically. Yeah. But I know within like the first five minutes, like, I like to go deep really quick. Like, I don't, I don't want to mess around with the surface. I don't care. Like, let's just go there. And so I think someone who, like intellectually and I guess spiritually and emotionally, like, wants to go to that level.
- [40:03]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [40:04]
Lucy Hale
That, like, that's, that feels safe to me.
- [40:08]
Amanda Hirsch
You'll ask like, really deep questions and see if they scare away.
- [40:13]
Lucy Hale
Yeah, yeah. I'm not like, where do you think we go when we die? I mean, I, like, I, I definitely want to talk about just the real stuff. I don't really. Not that I don't care about, like, where you're from and like, how many siblings you have or whatever.
- [40:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah. We'll be right back after the break.
- [40:31]
Lucy Hale
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Amanda Hirsch
And we're back. How many kids do you want? Don't you love that question? It's so funny because. Because it's so not legit. It's just I have two kids, and I'll watch, like, the Bachelor, and they're like, how many kids do you want? Five. Me, too.
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Lucy Hale
Five.
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Amanda Hirsch
You know, it's just like.
- [44:03]
Lucy Hale
Like, you're like. You have no.
- [44:06]
Like it.
- [44:06]
Amanda Hirsch
And it's like, oh, my God, we both. Yeah. So whenever I see people talk about the. The number of kids they want and find that, like, in common, that's really funny to me because also, that changes so much and, you know, worse.
- [44:18]
Lucy Hale
Of course. Course. Especially when you. I'm sure when you. I don't have kids, but when you have kids, it completely.
- [44:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, but that's on a dating show. You're right. Like, speaking of those, like, you know, those small talk questions, the. How many kids do you want? That. Like, that. That gets me.
- [44:33]
Lucy Hale
I am guilty of asking astrology questions.
- [44:37]
Oh, yeah.
- [44:38]
Amanda Hirsch
You did say Scorpio. Aren't Scorpios for dudes not good?
- [44:42]
Lucy Hale
Oh, I just. Well, I can firsthand something ended with a Scorpio dude. But you know what? I love Scorpio energy because I have a Scorpio moon. So I understand. Like, your moon sign is your.
- [44:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, you're a Gemini?
- [44:57]
Lucy Hale
I'm a Gemini sun. But I'm a Scorpio moon. Let me explain. You're rolling your eyes. Let me explain.
- [45:03]
Amanda Hirsch
No, because I'm a Gemini, and I just want you to be in it with me and not try to be a Scorpio.
- [45:07]
Lucy Hale
I'm completely in it. Wait, When's your birthday?
- [45:09]
Amanda Hirsch
May 31st.
- [45:11]
Lucy Hale
I love love. Well, most of my close friends are Geminis. I understand Geminis. I love, love, love, love. I'm a true definition of one. But your moon sign is how you feel internally and how you approach your relationships. Whereas your sun sign, Gemini, is what we came into this life inherently knowing that.
- [45:36]
Amanda Hirsch
I didn't know that. You know that. Lucy Hale, you just taught me what sun and moon means, and I've never known.
- [45:42]
Lucy Hale
Yeah, people don't come for me if I'm not paraphrasing exactly. But. But you're. What's your rising, babe?
- [45:48]
Amanda Hirsch
I don't know any of this. You just taught me what a moon is. Okay, okay, well, so how do I look it up? Tell the people that don't know. How do we find it?
- [45:55]
Lucy Hale
What you're gonna do is you're gonna put in your birthday, your birth time. You have to know your exact birth time, down to the minute and the exact location you were born. And that will give you this snapshot of the sky when you were born. And so that'll give you your sun, your moon, your rising. Your rising is important because that is like, when people initially meet you, that's what they associate you as.
- [46:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so what's your rising?
- [46:20]
Lucy Hale
I'm a Leo rising.
- [46:22]
Amanda Hirsch
So you're Leo Rising, Scorpio moon, and Gemini Sun. That's like.
- [46:27]
Lucy Hale
It's a lot. It's complicated. Yeah. The Scorpio moon thing is intense, though. I'm really curious what your rising is.
- [46:36]
Amanda Hirsch
I need to know the rising. Sorry. The sun is born. No, this is interesting.
- [46:41]
Lucy Hale
This moon is so the sun is like your ego. It's what you inherently know. It's how you navigate through the world. And then your moon sign is anything internal. It's like how you feel about yourself, how you process emotions. Like, it's probably what you resonate the most with, because it's how you feel when you're alone with yourself.
- [47:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. And rising.
- [47:07]
Lucy Hale
And then your rising is the mask you. Like when people initially meet you, that is what they associate you with. But it's also what I've learned is your rising sign. If you believe, if you are a believer in souls, are here to learn something. Your rising sign is what your soul is like wanting the qualities your soul wants you to embrace in this lifetime. So my soul was like, you're a Gemini. You've already mastered Gemini. Go towards Leo, if that makes sense.
- [47:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, those are two strong signs, Gemini and Leo.
- [47:48]
Lucy Hale
But there's also a spectrum. There can be less evolved Gemini. Gossipy, flaky, doesn't commit or evolved Gemini, which is constantly taking in information and very intellectual and like hyper aware. And then Leo, obviously, the less evolved Leo, and then I swear I'll be done talking about this. Less evolved Leo is like narcissistic. Like very me, me, me, me, me. And then evolved Leo would be just like, fully in your power, but. But giving to others. You're in your power. You're helping others by being in your power.
- [48:24]
Amanda Hirsch
So if you meet someone, are you. You want to know all this or is the sun sign enough for you?
- [48:30]
Lucy Hale
I want to know. I would love to know a lot of it, but it freaks a lot of people out. There's, you know, there's some dudes that.
- [48:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Probably don't even know. Are there dudes that don't know? Yeah, there are people that don't even know their own, like, sign that they.
- [48:41]
Lucy Hale
Oh, yeah. Like, I think I'm a. And that's kind of cute, you know, But. But I. I like to know all the information because I really am a believer in. It tells you a lot about a person, but not in a, like, oh, they're bad for me. More in just like, oh, I know how they communicate, or, you know, I won't.
- [49:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Would you ever, like, act some, like, veto someone because of a sign?
- [49:06]
Lucy Hale
No. No.
- [49:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, never. So it doesn't scare you? Like, you're not like, ooh, Scorpio rising.
- [49:12]
Lucy Hale
I think now that I've dated a Scorpio man. Like, I. I know, I know. It's like, oh, you. I. I feel like I'd know the signs to look out for. But no, I wouldn't cut anything off because I do believe you can outgrow it all too. Like, it doesn't mean, like, just because you're a Gemini, like, you have to be that, like, right. Humans, we can evolve and grow.
- [49:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Have you ever dated a Gemini dude?
- [49:37]
Lucy Hale
I dated someone who had the exact same birthday as me.
- [49:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, wow.
- [49:41]
Lucy Hale
It didn't work. But he is a good friend. Gemini men, because they could be a.
- [49:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Little like the examples we have out there.
- [49:50]
Lucy Hale
Have you dated?
- [49:51]
Amanda Hirsch
No, but my. My newest baby is a Gemini. And I'm like, I love that because I'm a Gemini. But I'm also like, let me think of the men that I know that are Geminis or even famous people. Like, it's not good. You know what I mean?
- [50:06]
Lucy Hale
I know, but I feel like out of all the signs, why do we get such a bad rap?
- [50:11]
Amanda Hirsch
I know, but. But Scorpios do too. Because there's this Ryan Gosling interview where they ask him his sign and he says that he's a Scorpio, and the interviewer is like, oh. And he's like, why? Like, I can't say my sign without people being like, oh, it's because the.
- [50:31]
Lucy Hale
And I think it's because the scorpion is the sign of the Scorpio. And when we think of scorpions, we think of, like, when we think of the Geminis, it's a sign of the twins. So we think two faced. Right? It's not. Gemini actually means duality. It means that's why there's two. We can see all sides. I love means they're just really hyper protective.
- [50:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Maybe a Taurus for you, Lucy.
- [50:56]
Lucy Hale
I need an Earth sign something grounded. So, yes, I've heard. I've heard an Aries. Man, I don't know what that water. I don't know. I've heard Aries. But a Taurus feels.
- [51:05]
Amanda Hirsch
How did you get so into this? How did you get so into this?
- [51:09]
Lucy Hale
Okay. Okay, really? Long story short, I. When I got sober, like, three years ago, I became obsessed with spirituality, and I became obsessed with, like, self help and self help books and self help podcasts, and I was just kind of, like, reaching for anything that was, like, gonna make my world make sense. I think I started asking, like, big questions around that time in my life of, like, what's my purpose? Why are we really here? Why do certain things happen? And I'd always liked astrology, but I always just thought it was silly. And then the more I got into it, the more I realized they've been using astrology since the dawn of time. You look at any.
- [51:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Look at me learning, not me learning today.
- [51:58]
Lucy Hale
I love it. But you look at Mayan civilizations, you know, the pyramids, any ancient civilization, like, they're using the stars to build their tombs and build their shrines. And so I just think that there's something there. And I also, like, just have the belief that I have a lot of beliefs. But basically I was like, that was my Gemini brain, like, going down a different rabbit hole. But I got into it around the time. I just got curious about, like, life's bigger questions and.
- [52:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, congratulations on your sobriety too.
- [52:31]
Lucy Hale
Thank you. Thank you so much.
- [52:34]
Amanda Hirsch
You said two and a half years.
- [52:36]
Lucy Hale
It'll be three years in January, so nearly three years.
- [52:41]
Amanda Hirsch
And how. How are you feeling today? How are we catching you?
- [52:44]
Lucy Hale
You know, I feel it's so crazy because this last year for me, like, my first year of sobriety was just like, you know, I just wanted to stay safe. I just wanted to figure out where I wanted my life to go. Then the second year was about, like, learning to have fun without alcohol. Like, learning to what are my hobbies? What do I really want to do? Like, what do I want my career to look like now that I'm clear headed? Like, what do I want to create? But the third year, emotionally, this last year was the most intense. Like, it was such a strange year in that sense of, like, everything kind of coming to the surface. So I feel like I was, like, finally facing some. Some things head on. But the last couple of months, I've just felt so good. I genuinely feel really balanced for, like, the first time in my life. Like, someone told me the other Day, like, you just feel like I haven't seen you feel this grounded. And like, that to me is like the biggest compliment because I have for so much of my life, like, just felt so all over the place, so flighty. Like, I didn't feel like my two feet were on the ground. And so I genuinely do feel. To answer your question, I feel good. I feel I'm so happy. Like, I live a full life and my life looks different these days. But yeah, we're feeling good.
- [54:10]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm so happy to hear that because I know you've also talked a lot about, like, anxiety and, and depression and mental health and.
- [54:18]
Lucy Hale
Yeah, yeah. You know, I think I. Along with so many people I know and so many people listening to this. Like, it's an epidemic, like, this anxiety and depression. And I'm like, what is causing all of it?
- [54:36]
Amanda Hirsch
So my mom is like, this didn't exist when I, you know what? And I'm like, okay. I mean, I'm sure there's sometimes, like, I want to learn, like, when you just tell me astrology. But there's sometimes we're like, mom, I have anxiety. Like, you know, I take Zoloft and I'm not here to, like, find out why in the 80s you didn't have it. You know what I mean? Like, I just can't deal with that right now. Yeah.
- [54:59]
Lucy Hale
But like, I feel like it did exist. We just didn't talk about it. But I do think, obviously the way I don't need. You don't need a genius to tell you this, but, like, technology and social media expanding at the rate it has. Like, of course, course we're going to be. We're not meant to know what's going on at. Across the world at any second. We're not meant to look through all.
- [55:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Or know what how other people are living their lives to, like, down to the, you know, underwear that they buy. Yep.
- [55:28]
Lucy Hale
Much like our brains are like, tweaking out a little bit. It's too much information.
- [55:32]
Amanda Hirsch
So do you have to take, like, social media breaks or are you at a healthy place with that?
- [55:37]
Lucy Hale
I don't know if I'll ever be at a place where I feel like it's healthy, but I do because, like, if I were healthy about it, I wouldn't be on it at all because I know how it affects me. It's crazy. It's like, I think there, you know, there are beautiful parts of it. Like, I love connecting with people who followed me through the years. I think that's amazing. But. But I Do recognize how easy it is for my brain to, you know, those. The apps are built to, like, compare your life to. It just automatically makes your brain go, oh, whoa, should I be doing that? I'm not doing enough. Damn. Maybe I should look like that. Or maybe I need to buy that bag that I already have 10 of. You know, it's like, it doesn't ever. I'm not quite sure the appropriate balance for me yet. But I do recognize that when I am off of it most of the day, I do feel better. I really, I genuinely do feel better. So I don't know if. If you figured it out, like, what's your relationship to it?
- [56:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Pretty good.
- [56:39]
Lucy Hale
I love it. See, that's what I fire to. I hear people say it and I believe you when you say that. And so what do you think?
- [56:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Because I think I'll tell you what, I use it mostly, like to either, you know, talk about my podcast post, stuff like that, post my personal life. If people care and the people that I follow, it's because I'm like, interested in, like, the movies and, you know, actors and what's coming out. So, like, I'm not following influencers that are going to be like, here is, you know, my. Then. And if I. And for. I am able to be like, oh, hide. Like, if I. If it's not doing good for me, like, I'm not about to watch that.
- [57:17]
Lucy Hale
Like, put it down. Yeah.
- [57:19]
Amanda Hirsch
If I feel like competition or like this is making me feel, like, negative because I'm, like, jealous or want that or why am I. Then I'll. I'll be good enough. Because this is such, like my livelihood. Kind of like I'm. I guess like it's a self kind of defense mechanism where I'm like, then I'll just won't look at him. It makes me not feel good.
- [57:41]
Lucy Hale
That's healthy, I think, like, creating boundaries for yourself. Like, you clearly have willpower, I think.
- [57:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, I do. I do have willpower. But speaking of your social media, because I know you have to go, so I'll wrap it up with this. But I saw this post.
- [57:53]
Lucy Hale
More hours. Amanda. They told. They had me blocked for four hours with you.
- [57:57]
Amanda Hirsch
You can't. You can't scare me, babe.
- [57:59]
Lucy Hale
Back to astrology.
- [58:00]
Amanda Hirsch
No, you're God. No, no, because I saw this post that you posted on your Instagram that you just like, spill all the time. So I need to know, like, are you left feet? Are you okay? What's going on? I relate. So, like, what's going on?
- [58:18]
Lucy Hale
So it's really weird because it's only ever coffee. It's not ever anything else. It's not ever water. It's not ever Matcha. It's not ever Celsius. Whatever. It's only coffee. It's only coffee. So I'm like, is it. It's clearly a sign that I should stop drinking coffee.
- [58:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Clearly.
- [58:38]
Lucy Hale
Clearly something.
- [58:39]
Amanda Hirsch
What's your coffee? What's your coffee order?
- [58:41]
Lucy Hale
So my go to is like usually just an almond milk cappuccino or almond milk latte with a little honey. What's yours? Do you drink? Do you drink coffee? Caffeine?
- [58:52]
Amanda Hirsch
I did and then I didn't. And I switched to Matcha because it was up my gut. And then, you know, it's just not. It was not good. And then when my gut was feeling better, I was like, I could do coughing again. You don't want to know mine because it's so low level.
- [59:09]
Lucy Hale
I want to hear it.
- [59:09]
Amanda Hirsch
You'll be disgusted. So I drink instant coffee. Have you ever seen like a jar of instant coffee?
- [59:14]
Lucy Hale
And the other day, because I don't like my espresso thing anymore, and I was like, I need something quick. This doesn't disgust.
- [59:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, what did you buy? What did you buy?
- [59:22]
Lucy Hale
So it's. Was it Canyon? What is it the Canyon Coffee Canyon?
- [59:26]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it's. So the one I buy is Nescafe. I'll send you a picture. But it literally, you're like.
- [59:31]
Lucy Hale
You're like instant coffee.
- [59:33]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm in sync coffee. That's. I'm telling you, it's disgusting. I have an espresso at home for everyone being like, honey. I just don't like it. So one like spoon of the instant coffee water and then like milk. And I've been adding the Chobani creamer is like really good. Have you tried the Chobani creamers?
- [59:53]
Lucy Hale
No, I haven't. But I did find one. I think it's called Califia Farms. But it's the one. It's an almond milk one and it's vanilla. Like, everyone's always like, the creamers are so bad for you. Yeah, well, I like joy in my life and I need like little tiny joys. And my creamer genuinely makes me.
- [60:13]
Amanda Hirsch
So let me. That's why I'm here to help you, Lucy. Because Chobani, the ingredients are like great. Like, I think Califia has like the Xanthic gum and like all those.
- [60:23]
Lucy Hale
You have to get the one with no oils or gums and it. And it's like five ingredients. And I Swear it tastes great.
- [60:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, but will you also try Chobani for me?
- [60:32]
Lucy Hale
I am. I'm gonna get the instant coffee. I'm gonna get Cho Bonnie.
- [60:36]
Amanda Hirsch
And they'll stop spilling. It'll stop spilling.
- [60:39]
Lucy Hale
You've really done me a good deed today.
- [60:41]
Amanda Hirsch
I appreciate say you are a gem of all gems. I'm so happy I got to talk to you for real.
- [60:46]
Lucy Hale
For real. It certainly shouldn't be the last. It can't be the last.
- [60:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Has to be in person, too.
- [60:52]
Lucy Hale
Oh, I know. Next time it'll be in person. I feel your energy through this.
- [60:56]
Amanda Hirsch
No, but it is true. Because I'll tell you why it is. The reason I like doing in person interviews is because obviously, at the end of the day, a zoom meeting, like, it's. It's harder to connect. But I. But I do feel connected to you, and I think you're so great. So everybody should really go and watch Mary of Kill. Lucy is so fantastic in it. It's so fun.
- [61:17]
Lucy Hale
It's called F Marry Kill, but.
- [61:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, sorry so much.
- [61:21]
Lucy Hale
I love you so much. You kept saying it. I was like, maybe it should have been called that.
- [61:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, don't act like you guys changed it up, okay?
- [61:29]
Lucy Hale
You were right and they're wrong. I agree.
- [61:31]
Amanda Hirsch
You know what I'm gonna do? I'm just gonna record myself saying it, and then my producer will put it.
- [61:35]
Lucy Hale
Like a. I thought it was really funny, you guys.
- [61:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so say it again because I wrote it down wrong. Say it. Say the name.
- [61:45]
Lucy Hale
Are you asking me?
- [61:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, you.
- [61:47]
Lucy Hale
I think it's funny. Keep it.
- [61:48]
Amanda Hirsch
No, say it. Say it. Because I don't know if I have it written wrong, and now I'm scared.
- [61:52]
Lucy Hale
No, just F. Marry. Kill.
- [61:55]
Amanda Hirsch
F Marry. Kill. I said Mary F. Kel, why?
- [61:58]
Lucy Hale
But. But you. You said it so convincingly that I was like, maybe it should have been called that. You're fine.
- [62:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, right. I said it wrong. And the whole world, when you say it, you say fmk. So I literally changed up. The original thing would be mfk if we.
- [62:15]
Lucy Hale
If we went. It sounds like Machine Gun mgk. I think we should keep it in.
- [62:21]
Amanda Hirsch
So mgk. Mfk. Fmk. Mgk. No, I'm just kidding. I won't make you. I won't make you do it. F Marry. Kill. You guys, I'm sorry. I fucked it up. Lucy, I love you. Everyone go see it. It's so fun. Thank you, girl.
- [62:36]
Lucy Hale
I can't wait to meet in person.
- [62:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Me too.
- [62:39]
Lucy Hale
Thank you.
- [62:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny. But not f. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny, but not Fat subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual Smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.
- [63:09]
Lucy Hale
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