Lukas Gage: I Wrote This for Attention

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Podcast Summary
Not Skinny But Not Fat | Host: Amanda Hirsch
Episode: Lukas Gage: I Wrote This for Attention (September 23, 2025)

Overview of the Episode
In this candid and engaging episode, Amanda Hirsch welcomes actor and writer Lukas Gage back to the podcast. The focal point of their discussion is Lukas’s memoir, I Wrote This for Attention, which delves into his tumultuous childhood, experiences with addiction, trauma, his showbiz journey, and recent infamous marriage. Throughout the conversation, Amanda and Lukas oscillate between deep vulnerability, uproarious humor, and insightful media/industry commentary, providing a nuanced look at fame, family, mental health, and owning your story.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

A Warm Reunion & Setting the Tone

• Amanda expresses excitement to have Lukas back, emphasizing she rarely repeats guests unless they’re truly special.
• Lukas jokes about this being his “comeback tour” ([06:21]), referencing a previous less-than-stellar appearance due to being “shell-shocked” from a wild night before.
  • "Oh, God. This is my... this is my comeback tour." (Lukas Gage, 06:21)

About Lukas’s Book: I Wrote This for Attention

• Amanda genuinely raves about the memoir, noting its depth, vulnerability, and writing quality ([08:07]), and admits she took time off watching TV just to finish it.

  • "I wouldn't have expected just how good it is." (Amanda Hirsch, 08:04)
  • "The way this was written. And you didn't hold back, Lukas." (Amanda Hirsch, 09:17)

• Lukas reveals the inspiration for the provocative title, joking that all actors write for attention but also highlighting that the process was cathartic and helped him understand himself better ([09:57], [10:28]).

  • "I didn't make this book to be inspirational. I really wrote it to be honest and to just put everything out there." (Lukas Gage, 09:29)

Raw Childhood and Family Dynamics

• Lukas opens up about early exposure to drugs, starting with over-the-counter medications at age 12 and harder drugs by 14 ([11:42]-[12:02]).
  • "By probably 14, I had done every. Everything. There was nothing else to do." (Lukas Gage, 11:56)
• Discussion of opioid prevalence in San Diego and the deep impact of his brother Corey's addiction ([12:03]-[12:47]).
  • "I think by the time I graduated high school, eight kids had overdosed in our grade." (Lukas Gage, 12:57)

Wilderness Camp, Trauma & Forgiveness

• Lukas details being forcibly sent to a wilderness rehab camp as a teen and the trauma and resentment it fueled, but ultimately says he doesn't blame his parents ([13:54]-[15:55]).
  • "We punish people that need help. Like, it's completely backwards." (Lukas Gage, 14:17)
• He reflects on a complicated but loving relationship with his mother, and the ways generational differences impact parenting and healing.

Molestation and the Complexity of Identity

• Lukas bravely discusses being sexually assaulted at an acting camp as a child, not grasping its effect until years later ([20:12]-[21:00]).
  • "I didn't even talk about it till three years ago." (Lukas Gage, 20:28)
• He notes the complexities and stigma around male survivors and how humor became his defense mechanism ([27:30]-[28:40]).
  • “For me, that was a way to gain my power back and use a little bit of humility to gain my own narrative of that story…” (Lukas Gage, 28:08)

Why Write a Memoir Now?

• The 2023 writers’ and actors’ strikes gave Lukas unplanned downtime, which he channelled into writing. He’d already been selling screenplays but found memoir writing uniquely honest and cathartic ([29:12]-[30:16]).
  • “It was during the strike… I’m insane. I don’t know how to sit still.” (Lukas Gage, 29:12)

Structure and Reception of the Book

• The memoir is structured as interconnected essays rather than strictly chronological narrative, with Lukas intentionally including both his Hollywood stories and his difficult past ([31:38]-[32:04]).
  • "I sold it as a collection of essays... but I do still view it as a collection of essays." (Lukas Gage, 31:49)

Sexuality, Coming Out, and Family Support

• Lukas talks frankly about his early, confused hypersexuality and eventual coming out experiences. He describes how his family, particularly his brothers and mother, were always supportive ([34:29]-[34:49]).
  • "My brothers were incredible and my mom... I'm very grateful for how easy that was for me." (Lukas Gage, 34:49)

Cultural Shifts, Honesty & Hollywood

• Both marvel at the shifting landscape of public honesty in Hollywood, discussing figures like Julia Fox and Charlie Sheen as refreshing for their unapologetic openness ([35:38]-[37:20]).
  • "Ownership is the sexiest thing in the world." (Lukas Gage, 37:20)

Mental Health, BPD Diagnosis and Stigma

• Lukas breaks down his diagnosis with borderline personality disorder (BPD), received just before his high-profile marriage ([38:28]-[39:07]).
  • "I have a lot of resentment on that and try my best to be a better friend and family member." (Lukas Gage, 38:22)
• Discussion of DBT therapy and the importance of finding the right mental health treatment; touches on medication missteps leading to manic periods ([41:36]-[42:19]).

Navigating the Hustle: Starting Out and Scrappiness

• Lukas recounts moving to LA alone at 18, living in a motel, and the resourcefulness that led to his first breaks ([52:16]-[55:10]).
  • "I just literally got a motel that was doing a monthly stay." (Lukas Gage, 52:57)
• Anecdotes about faking resumes, taking cues from reality TV (Tiffany “New York” Pollard), and having luck sometimes emerge right out of mistakes or impulsive choices ([54:24]-[56:38]).

Showbiz Realities: Ambition, Auditioning, and Managing Jealousy

• Lukas is candid about being content as a “working actor” rather than obsessing over A-list fame, joking about being “in five minutes of your shows” ([58:18]-[59:00]).
• He acknowledges the competitiveness and envy that is inherent to Hollywood, but asserts with time he’s learned “what’s meant for you is meant for you” ([61:49]-[62:51]).
  • "The competitive anxiety of being in LA is never going to go away.... Competing is what makes me get shit done." (Lukas Gage, 61:52)

Infamous Marriage: Public Scrutiny, Identity, and No Regrets

• The duo discusses the much-publicized Chris Appleton marriage on The Kardashians, how it was tangled with Lukas’s desire to shut down queerbaiting speculation, and his mixed feelings on its legacy ([65:07]-[66:52]).
  • "Part of it was like, yeah, shut the up. Like, what? I'm gonna be so on your face and annoying about it because you guys are on my tip about it for so long..." (Lukas Gage, 65:07)
  • "But no regrets. Hashtag no regrets. For real." (Lukas Gage, 66:52)
• Explores how being on psychiatric meds may have contributed to his detachment during the marriage, and how coming off the meds led to greater self-clarity ([68:33]-[69:00]).

Industry Hustle, Recovery, and Book Promotion

• Amanda and Lukas discuss Hollywood AA meetings (“It’s like, don’t talk about Fight Club,” [51:14]), the continued hustle required to book acting work, and Lukas's self-promotion efforts for his book ([51:28]-[71:49]).
  • “I am sending it to everybody. I am dming random book talkers who tell me I don't want to read your book.” (Lukas Gage, 71:26)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I didn’t make this book to be inspirational. I really wrote it to be honest and to just put everything out there. Take it or leave it.” (Lukas Gage, 09:29)
• “Ownership is the sexiest thing in the world.” (Lukas Gage, 37:20)
• “My favorite critique is like the White Lotus, the marriage, the viral video. Those are the most boring chapters. I agree.” (Lukas Gage, 31:14)
• “I have a lot of resentment on that and, and. And try my best to be a better friend and family member. I think that's probably the biggest thing where I wish I. I could have.” (Lukas Gage, 38:22)
• “What is meant for you is meant for you. I love that.” (Lukas Gage, 62:51)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [08:04] Amanda praises the book’s writing and depth
• [09:29] Lukas discusses being “too raw and too honest”—and why
• [11:42] Lukas recounts early drug use
• [13:54] The wilderness “camp” and family trauma
• [20:12] Addressing molestation and family impact
• [29:12] The book’s origin during the writers’ strike
• [34:29] Coming out to his family
• [37:20] “Ownership is the sexiest thing in the world.”
• [38:28] Discussion of BPD diagnosis
• [52:57] Moving to LA, living in a motel
• [58:07] Lukas on wanting to be a working actor
• [61:41] Dealing with jealousy and ambition in Hollywood
• [65:07] The public narrative and motivation behind his marriage
• [66:52] “No regrets” about Kardashian wedding
• [71:26] The undignified hustle of promoting a memoir

Final Thoughts
The episode is a masterclass in balancing humor with vulnerability, as Lukas disarms heavy topics with wit while refusing to hide from their messy realities. From addiction, mental health, and industry hustle to a legacy of family love and showbiz perseverance, he and Amanda create a conversation that feels honest, riveting, and, true to the book’s title, impossible to ignore.

Book: I Wrote This for Attention (available for pre-order; official release Oct 14, 2025)

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. Happy Tuesday. How are you? Welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. I have my period. It is wild. I know. You're like, why are you updating us? Because it's just so bizarre that I got it this week and not next week because I'm going away next week, and usually my period would only come when I'm going away. So something is off. I just wanted to throw it out there is Venus in retrograde. Like, what is happening, y'?

[B]

All?

[A]

Um, this week was crazy. Was the summer I turned pretty finale slash announcement of a movie week. I am all in. Okay, I'm all in. I'm all in. But, like, I'm not as in as, like, the world is with the obsession with Conrad. Like, I get it. Like, of course I want a Conrad. Like, of course, of course. But I also am so critical of, like, how was she with both brothers? And, like, what. Why does everyone hate Jeremiah Slash, like, Gavin the actor? Like, why isn't he getting as much love as, like, Chris Briney? And, like, by the way, Chris Bryony cracks me up. Have you seen interviews with him? He's like, look, man. Yeah, what? De moi actually posted that him and his girlfriend might be engaged. And I had seen on the Internet that she's, like, super controlling. Oh, my God, she's gonna get so much more controlling right now. She's like, marry me before these dumb fan try to could lock it down and Good thinking, girl. Lock it down because he's about to blow up. I mean, he's blown up. He's like, the most blown up person right now. And obviously I'm in the show, but. But I'm also like, I see the memes and it's like, have you guys never watched any other shows? Like, have you never watched normal people? Like, just want you to bring it back down to earth. I feel like the summer I turned pretty fans are like Taylor Swift fans. It's like, you guys are.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Like, you're taking it to the extreme. But, like, we. What a fandom this show has. And. And it's just so interesting to me. I just love the psychology of it all and would love to understand just how things Pop off this way, you know, and, like, just get so crazy. I just can't get over it. Like, the memes of it all and the obsession online and just like the virality of all of it is just crazy. It's just crazy, man. And the movie, who knows when it's going to come out? People are, like, conspiring that because Jenny Han said, no, not next year. She actually means this year. I don't know about that. Can we also talk about the Housemaid? So it's. You guys didn't know if I was kidding or not. I wasn't kidding. I read that book. I know that I don't usually read that many books, but guess what? I've started reading more books. So I read the Housemaid. Loved it was like, do I love a thriller? The casting. Now I feel like one of those book people that, like, judges the casting. But, like, Nina, the mom, the wife, like, is still describes herself as, like, super overweight. Like, I don't want to give spoilers, but, like, she describes herself as super overweight, which isn't Amanda Seifried, you know, at all. Like, I would just think they would take, like, a bigger sized actress. I didn't see in the trailers that she had put on any weight for it. But, like, the book, like, that's one of the part. Again, I don't want to give a spoiler, but if, you know, you know, Sydney Sweeney, I think that, you know, I think audiences have had some fatigue. I was thinking of the character as a little bit more kind of like, badass. And I feel like in the promos at least, like, she looks kind of too squeaky clean. Or at least like, that's what Sydney Sweeney is giving in that Brandon Skelnar, which, God only knows if I said his last name right, just is giving. And by the way, I picture him in that role completely. What else? Justin Bieber is going to headline Coachella. Apparently he's going to make 10 milli for it and apparently negotiated it himself, which is wild. And also, like, why? Why did he negotiate it himself? Huge breakups in Hollywood. Nina Dobrev and Sean White, which, like, crazy. Then Kelsey Ballerini, which I got to know from her saying her name right. And Chase Stokes that, like, not sure how he gets all the hot girls. But anyway, I'm on one. Let's move on to today's guest because I love this man. I think he's just so incredible. He makes fun of himself that he's a little bit in everything because he's in A lot of. Not like in a lot of stuff I just said, you know what I mean? And he's been on the show before, so Lucas Gage has been on the show before where we discuss everything from his viral audition to White Lotus and everything in between. But now he wrote a book. Yes. Another book that I read. It's called I wrote this for attention. And let me tell you guys, I'm starting a book club. It's going to be called One Book a Year. And this is going to be my book of the year. So good. I couldn't put it down. I gave up the summer I turned pretty. Okay. That's why I'm so delayed. I've been reading this book. I've been loving this book. It's just so fascinating the way he grew up and he really details like kind of a messed up childhood and a lot of addiction in the family. And his experiences are just so crazy, but the way he writes about them is so beautiful and vulnerable. And you really find out a lot about this guy who you see on your screen so often. Lucas Gage. Yes. We also talk about that haphazard marriage to Chris Appleton and. And more. So. So enjoy my convo with Lucas Gage and his book. I wrote this for attention. I believe you. It's out on pre sale right now and officially is on sale October 14th. I'm in my most annoying mood today. Lucas is here. Part two.

[B]

Oh, God. This is my. This is my comeback tour.

[A]

Your comeback? I thought you were going to say my favorite pod.

[B]

Oh, this is my favorite podcast, Lean In.

[A]

Hi.

[B]

This is my favorite podcast ever. You really are one of my favorite podcasts to about three. But this is my comeback tour as we know. The first one was a rough morning for me.

[A]

I don't agree, but I want to hear why you think that.

[B]

Well, I just would. I, I, you know, I was going to watch what happens live the night before and said a lot and I was a little shell shocked when I came in. I was a little bit like I felt like I had a muzzle on.

[A]

I got you. Yeah. You were like in. You were having PTSD from the night before.

[B]

I was having PTSD and I was like shy boy version of myself and just trying not to, not to say something dumb again.

[A]

But I think that I like, I don't often have guests back.

[B]

By the way, thank you for. Thank you so much.

[A]

Like, I really don't. And you know this as a pod listener, I don't. When I do, it's because I really love the person and I Want to support what you're doing. And it's like, okay, part one. We did, like, who is Lucas?

[B]

Right.

[A]

What you worked on. Right. The viral video that. That when you wrote about it, I was like, oh, my God. He probably hates. Like, he. Maybe he's like, this is the last time I want to mention it. And this is, like, deep dive into, like, Lucas, not, like, White Lotus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is who you are.

[B]

Yeah. You wrote this book for attention. It's such a good title, you have to admit.

[A]

I love it. And by the way, I'm like, pretty. I feel special because you told me about this pretty early on. You sent me the PDF, which I did. I need a hard copy, guys.

[B]

I get.

[A]

Okay. I need a hard copy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wouldn't have expected, like, just how good it is.

[B]

Thank you. Thanks so much. Seriously, that means a lot. And you said it to me before we're recording, and I'm shook that you even read it.

[A]

I finished it. Like, the conclusion, everything I told you, it was like I took a few days off watching TV to read this, and it was like, wait, wait.

[B]

You took a few days off of.

[A]

Love thy Nater, first of all, binge love thy nadir. In a day.

[B]

Show ever.

[A]

Best show ever.

[B]

Obsessed with them. Love, bro.

[A]

Bro.

[B]

Yeah, the dad.

[A]

Oh, bro.

[B]

Bro.

[A]

With an X.

[B]

With an X. Yeah.

[A]

Goals.

[B]

Goals. Sorry. Going. So you. You took days off?

[A]

Days off. Read this. And I'm. The way you wrote.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I minored in writing, and so I know a good writer. Okay. I did 18 credits in writing and whatever they call it, the imagery, the descriptions, that I was there. I saw it as a movie. It was like a movie in my mind of your childhood. The way the stories weaved in, like one into the other, creating this whole book. And I told you, I've had to read some books for my job. And a lot of times it's, like, very just written, like, here's my story. The way this was written. And you didn't hold back, Lucas.

[B]

Thank you. I didn't hold back. I was a little too raw and too honest, as some reviews have said. But screw it. You know?

[A]

They said, too raw. Too honest.

[B]

There's been a couple early reviews that are like, I wish he was a little bit less honest. I wish he was a little bit. You know? And I'm like, screw it. I didn't make this book to be inspirational. I really wrote it to be honest and to just put everything out there. Take it or leave it. This is me. Yeah. And I didn't hold back. And I had to hold back on some things, some legal stuff, but for the most part, I was able to just really put everything out there. And it's scary.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

Yeah, it's scary. Yeah. I mean, it was so much fun and cathartic writing it on my own, and it was like doing a. Like a scavenger hunt of myself and why I am the way that I am and trying to really figure out why I've done certain things in my life that don't make sense. And it felt good, and it felt like I could understand myself and have empathy for myself, but now that it's gonna be out in public, I'm. I'm kind of my pants.

[A]

I think people are gonna love it.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And did you really write it for Attention?

[B]

No. I mean, look, the title is just like any actor who has a memoir. A premature memoir.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

I mean, it's very premature. I get it. It's. It's early. Yeah. Okay. But. And I think that there's no other title to call a book, because, look, I think with everything, there is a certain aspect that you do for attention. This podcast, I'm sure, like. Right. You love it. You're really good at it. You're. There's a financial aspect of it, and there's probably an aspect of it that you want to. You want recognition and, like, to write attention for what you do.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, I think there is a part of me that does that now. It's reframing the kind of attention that I'm.

[A]

Right. So there was a kind of bottom line here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which was that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. Like, reframing the kind of attention that you want.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But your childhood was so interesting, Lucas.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Like the drugs at 12.

[B]

12.

[A]

Early. I said on the podcast that I smoked a cigarette in 12, and people were like, growing up in New York is crazy. And I'm like. Lucas was literally like, snort. Were you snorting by 12?

[B]

I was. I would say, like, no, I was. I was taking core seed and cough medicine. That was my drug of choice at 12. I would just, like, take the whole entire packet of it and get high. That was the.

[A]

That's like scissor. No.

[B]

Yeah, that was. That was my drug of choice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

By probably 14. I had done every. Everything. There was nothing else to do.

[A]

What's happening in San Diego?

[B]

There's something in the water. There's something. Something there where people just start really early. And unfortunately, which I hope to maybe shed a little bit of light of them Is. Is the opiate. The opioid problem in. In San Diego?

[A]

Oh, it's a problem there.

[B]

It's a huge problem. Yeah. I think it's the. The proximity to being to Tijuana and going over the border, so you can just. People in school would just go over and get oxy, you know, know, drive back and go to, you know, that was our lunch off campus and about my. My brother and s. Your brother? Yeah.

[A]

How is Corey, by the way?

[B]

He's doing really good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, he's doing really good. He's doing great. He's in Oregon. He's clean right now. Hopefully it stays that way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. Yeah, that was. I mean, there was many. There was a friend of mine I talked about that had OD'd. And in the book, it was just, like, a common thing. I think by the time I graduated high school, eight kids had overdosed in our grade.

[A]

Wow. And that didn't scare you? Like, that didn't. I think you want to stay away?

[B]

No, I think it did. I think that was the catalyst to that. And the fight that I talk about in the book was kind of the catalyst to be like, if I stay here, it's going to be bad, and if I don't do what I really want to do, I don't know what will happen. So, yeah, hopefully in, you know, I talk about, like, the rehabs and the wilderness.

[A]

Okay, we need to talk about this, because this, by the way. And. And I know I'm saying this again. Again. This book really, really, like, spoke to me. It stayed with me. I would tell people, like, I would see. I would read on a Friday night, Saturday morning. I'd be like, have you heard of it? Like a wilderness program where they kidnap you? And. And I knew it existed. And you brought me back to, like, hearing of kids this has happened to. Yeah, but the way you detail it and how terrifying that is, you know, that they kidnapped you in the middle of the night when. What did you think? Where did you think you were going?

[B]

Initially, I had no idea. I was scared shitless. But I think because it was so common in Southern California that people were going to these places and I had family and. And other people that went there. I think I soon put the pieces together. I think, like, for the dramatic effect of the storytelling, I may be able to, you know, leaned into. I have no idea what was happening, which at first I did, but I think quickly I put the. The pieces together.

[A]

Why do they have to do it that way?

[B]

It's just. It's really, it's, it's completely screwed up that we, the system, you know, we punish people that need help.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, it's completely backwards. And I think luckily, like people like Paris Hilton and other people who have spoken about it, it's, it's really, it doesn't really happen that often anymore. I mean, I think there's still really abusive places like abusive rehabs, abusive mental health facilities that need to be reevaluated and checked upon. But I think, yeah, thank God for Paris to really like shed light on that.

[A]

How many months were you there?

[B]

I was only there for a summer.

[A]

Like, a summer?

[B]

Yeah, I was only there for a summer, but I had, you know, several really close friends and family that were there for years and I. You just wouldn't see them and you wouldn't hear from them and they'd miss a year of life and come back like this, shell shocked, quiet.

[A]

And it wouldn't help anything.

[B]

No. I think it makes you worse because.

[A]

You come back angry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you were in the book, you say like you were sure it was your dad and then your mom is probably like, does. Is worried, doesn't know where you are. Like she, that she wasn't part of this. She's probably mad about it and then you find out that she was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How did that affect your relationship? Because your relationship with your mom seems to be such a huge part of your life.

[B]

Yeah, no, I mean, she's my best friend and I love her. And I think that parents didn't know, you know, I don't, I don't ultimately blame them. I think 13 year old Lucas was fucking pissed and wanted to rebel even more. You know, you want to just like, if you're told by these places what a bad person you are and what a bad kid you are, you start to believe it and you want to, you know, you want to lean into that role. But I think I don't blame. Yeah, I don't, I don't blame either of my parents.

[A]

They.

[B]

They are byproduct of the way that they were, you know, they grew up and the resources that they had and you know, our generation is all about like therapy and talking about our feelings and they, they just didn't grow up that way. So it's not their fault.

[A]

So would you, would you say you were like a bad kid? Because you for sure. Bad kid.

[B]

Not. I don't think anybody at that camp, anybody at these rehabs are inherently bad people at all. But was I a nightmare to raise? Yeah. Would I want to Be my parent. Hell, no.

[A]

No.

[B]

I was a nightmare.

[A]

But you were also sweet and cuddly.

[B]

I was also very affectionate and needing attention and do extreme things to get attention.

[A]

Because you were the youngest of four.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that's like, ding, ding, ding.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Most actors I find are the youngest sibling.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I would say 75 of actors I know are the, are the baby.

[A]

Wow. And four brothers. Were they like, macho, macho vibes?

[B]

For sure. Yeah. Yeah, they, but they're also really sensitive and right and caring and sweet, too. But, yeah, we're, we're very, very different for.

[A]

And what was it like growing up with, like, these brothers around you that were maybe a little bit more macho? And you were like, you say with like, Britney Spears in the bathtub writing in your journal?

[B]

Yeah, I was, I was a little, little boy in the bathtub listening to Britney Spears. And they were, you know, one was playing football and one was in a punk. Heavy metal. Punk band. But they were my role models. Like, I worshiped, especially the one brother in the punk band. I was like, I mean, he was the coolest kid.

[A]

Corey.

[B]

Corey. Yeah.

[A]

I would, I. Corey sounds cool. Like, he's just like.

[B]

He was effortlessly cool always. And I wanted to be him, but it was great. I'm, I'm grateful that I had older siblings.

[A]

When you saw Corey doing heroin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was like, in. You go visit him in his trailer. Was this like a trail? Like, what were the vibes of this trailer?

[B]

I mean, look, it was a trailer park in San Diego, so it's like by the beach and nice. But it's still.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it's in disarray and it's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So some of the trailers are really nice there, actually. Yeah. I mean, that was just, that was a memory that is seared into my DNA.

[A]

It is, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And like the person that you looked up to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Your whole life and seeing him like that, and I remember he always seemed so tough. And seeing him kind of small and weak and powerless over this thing, I was, I, I think it scared the out of me.

[A]

You never tried it then?

[B]

Let's find out. Book two.

[A]

Book two.

[B]

I don't talk about it.

[A]

You don't? You don't?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of your mom?

[B]

No, I, I, I didn't feel like it needed to be in this book. There's a lot, I mean, look, there was a lot in here that I was like, fuck, I don't want it to be such a bummer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So there were, there Were bits and pieces that.

[A]

Did your mom read the book?

[B]

She did.

[A]

And what did she think?

[B]

It really. It really affected her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was, I. That. That's a really good.

[A]

You were like, you lived it.

[B]

Yeah. You lived it. Like, what are you talk. I think. I think she's like, it's all true, you know, but it hurts to hear as a mom, it hurts to hear about all these things. I mean, there's a lot of things that happened to me that she never knew about.

[A]

Did she know about what happened at. At camp? At acting camp? She didn't, no. Until the book.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I warned her before I gave her the book and I sat her down and I was like, look, I hate talking about this. I hate having this talk with you. I hate having shame about it because we shouldn't have shame about it. And I just want to warn you, there's probably a part that's going to be disturbing for a mom to read, but you did nothing wrong. And it wasn't because a lack of your parenting or anything. But yeah, it was. It was hard for her to read it. And. And now I think there were some early reviews that say, like, he really humanizes everyone in the family and everyone is both good and bad and no one's the villain. And. And there's so much love there. So even though we all made mistakes and I made a ton, there's. There's so much love.

[A]

So what we're talking about in the book is you. You detail that you were molested. Molested.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And in this acting camp, that on one hand was like the best experience of your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you discovered your love for acting and stuff. But this horrible thing happened to you there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That you kind of didn't deal with at the time or that you were like, oh, this must be normal.

[B]

I didn't even talk about it till three years ago.

[A]

Really.

[B]

I didn't even re. I didn't even realize it was a thing. And I. I think that there's something that there's like a real stigma behind it because. Because I didn't do anything.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And you feel there was a participation of you. And it wasn't until I had a therapist be like, literally had to break it down for me like this, like in my 20s and be like, you're in your 20s. This person was in their 20s. Would you ever do anything with an 11 year old?

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I'm like, no, no. But yeah, that was a hard part to talk about. But I feel like.

[A]

And also, you Say no consent was given to the situation.

[B]

But there was also nothing. I didn't say anything. I left my body. So there was like a. There was a feeling that I had that I was a willing participant, which is so common.

[A]

I feel like though of people that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were sexually assaulted.

[B]

Yeah. And it's so. I mean, I think that there's a statistic that almost every, every female, most females have been sexually assaulted or, or some in some sort of way. But men, it's a lot more common than we think about. We just don't.

[A]

There's like more of a stigma around it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We'll be right back after the break. You know that afternoon crash, the one where you're like staring at your screen? By the way, I'm having it right now. That's why I paused for a minute. I'm so tired. You know when you're staring at your screen or pretending to work, but really you're just like googling how to nap under your desk so that people can't see you or. That is socially acceptable. I know it. You know it. You know what's really helpful and I'm gonna go grab it right. Right now is IQ Bar. I love the IQ Bar bars. They're protein bars, but they're not chalky. Okay. They don't taste like a punishment. These are good. And they're made with clean ingredients, plant based protein and brain boosting nutrients. So you feel good eating them and you feel good after eating them. Important, you guys. Each bar has 12 grams of plant protein, only 1 gram of sugar. So it's keto, it's vegan, it's gluten free, whatever your thing is, okay. And the flavor is unreal. 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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was that like a real defense mechanism for you growing up?

[B]

Yeah, and I think it still is. I think I use humor too. I mean, I talk about the darkest stuff in my life with a laugh, and then I talk about the most mundane details with like, very. I'm super serious about telling a story about getting coffee that nothing dramatic happens.

[A]

But by the way, I get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could tell you when I got his coffee, I was real serious about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you even drink yours?

[B]

I'll drink it right now.

[A]

Tell me if it's disgusting. It looked so disgusting when he made it.

[B]

No, it's good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, it's good.

[A]

Okay. The almond milk was. Did not look good.

[B]

No, but I. Yeah, I mean, humor is my favorite defense mechanism. And I also think that there's a. There's talking about the molestation. I feel like there's like a. We have to be small about it when we talk about it and feel like so and I'm like that. For me, that was a way to gain my power back and use a little bit of humility to gain my own narrative of that story over and like, not let it make me feel weak and small and shameful. So I think humor, I don't know, I lean into it to feel strength.

[A]

Do you Feel like you've dealt with it now that it's in the book and like you've spoken to a therapist about it.

[B]

Yeah. I think it's just, like, also talking to other people about it and being open about it and sending my friends and family in and them feeling like they can share with me about it and not feeling like it's this taboo. I mean, it is taboo, but not feeling like I'm like a weird freak that had happened to. It's, like, so common and. And I doesn't have this weight.

[A]

Why'd you decide to write the book now?

[B]

Full transparency. Yeah, it was during the strike.

[A]

Oh, that's when you start.

[B]

Which was when I started. 2024. Oh, 2023. 2023. And I write for screenplays and stuff. And. And I've sold a couple films and. And I'm starting to do that more. And then we weren't allowed to write for the writer strike. We weren't allowed to act for the actors strike. I'm insane. I don't know how to sit still. I don't know how to not keep myself busy. And I. At first, it was just like that. What else am I going to do to make money? You know, I'm like a hustler. I've always been figuring it out. And soon into it, soon after I did the Proposal and had help on the proposal, I. I found it really, really cathartic and really important. And really the first time I felt like I was not putting up an act and trying to put on this facade that I usually do in interviews or in life.

[A]

That.

[B]

That. And I. And I felt the need to really get everything out and be honest and like it. It became something really important to me.

[A]

And you sold it.

[B]

I sold it, Yeah. I sold. In the beginning with the proposal. With the three chapters.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the three chapters are in it. Yeah, they're like the last chapters of the book. They're like the Hollywood stuff that I'm like. My favorite review to get is, like, the.

[A]

I love how he's in the reviews, you guys.

[B]

Oh, I'm in the early review.

[A]

He's in it, guys.

[B]

Reading every arc comment that you guys write. I'm reading it. I'm obsessing over it, which is not a good thing, as we.

[A]

You said you were putting your phone down. Liar.

[B]

I lied. I lied. Look, I said. I said I put my bone on. And then I went back. No, but with this book, I started to read. I actually got these early. I'm going to take this back I got them sent to me by my publisher because they, they say, like, just so you know, this is what's going to come out. So part of me is like, it, I don't even want to read it. Another part, of course I have to read it. I'm human. And, and my favorite critique is like the White Lotus, the marriage, the viral video. Those are the most boring chapters. I agree.

[A]

Yeah, agree. I love, I mean, I wouldn't use the word boring, but I'll use the word like the least interesting.

[B]

And I love that.

[A]

I love that for you too.

[B]

Favorite, favorite, favorite critique.

[A]

I love that. I understand why you needed to include it.

[B]

Yeah. Because I sold the book on.

[A]

That's what you sold the book on. And they didn't know they were getting this, like, you know.

[B]

Yeah. Like, it really feel like it's.

[A]

Hello. Like, it also. I don't know if I would even change. Change everything, guys. I don't know if I would call it a memoir. It's like a, it's like essays, you know what I mean?

[B]

I sold it as a collection of essays.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then because of some things with the editors that were like, you know that people. You're going to get more eyes on it if we say it's a memoir. But I do still view it as a collection of essays. Yeah.

[A]

Because it is.

[B]

That's why some of the reviews are also like, it's disjointed and it hops around and.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because it was intentional.

[A]

I am also very like. I'm like, wait, he was here. It was 11, 12. Because I need to know, like, were you fudgeing at 12? Were you doing the drugs at 13? Like the ages are like. Because you were talking about fudgeing at 12, like wanting to fuck.

[B]

Yes. Oh, wanting to fuck at like five. I was like, did I read that?

[A]

Did I say that right? Porn at nine?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Is that early?

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

It's early nine for porn.

[B]

Oh yeah. I was in chat rooms. I was in.

[A]

What do you. Were you hypersexual?

[B]

Super sexual?

[A]

Like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. There was like, I had a whole thing in the book. Like, I wish I kept it in. There's a lot of stuff I wish I kept in. But there was like, about my grandma walking in on me like at 5, like humping a life size Barbie and like being like, just like. There was like, there was a nana. Nana.

[A]

God, I miss so much. I can't believe you were going through that at that time.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And I was talking to you at that time. And you were on the show and I didn't know cuz that was happening. Your. His grandma passed away who was such a huge supporter of yours and big person in your life. So shout out to Nana.

[B]

Shout out to the best person in the world.

[A]

Yeah. So she caught you, your dad caught.

[B]

You with buying Cinemax pay per view porn on like the credit cards and then just like playing the Sims, the online version.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And talking to strangers and like they were my wife's husband's brother. Like I made like a whole family online with people and like then it was a goal to, to be in love and like I was like truly a sex addict before I became sexual.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like I was just addicted to you.

[A]

You really wanted it.

[B]

I really wanted it. Yeah.

[A]

And then you wanted your first kiss. You wanted your first. And then it was all with girls. Girls at that point. You had really intense relate with Kaylee.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You had a really intense girlfriend.

[B]

Coolest person ever. Too Cool is the best.

[A]

Punk rock. Is she doing okay?

[B]

She's doing great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. She reached out when she found out about the book. She likes it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like, I was down for whatever. I was like. I think I didn't have an awareness of like what I was at an early age, but I just knew I was. I was into being physical with anything.

[A]

With anything.

[B]

Anyone.

[A]

Well, you write in the book that when you later moved to LA and you got into a relationship with a man, you wanted to tell your family. It was really important for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, and your partner at the time wanted you to like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you said that your brother was like. Yeah, I've known since you were two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that true?

[B]

Tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That said that was his response.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like you're waiting to get this off your chest. You think it's a huge deal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that's such a nice response to get.

[B]

No, I had a really. I mean, my brothers were incredible and my mom and yeah, like I had a. I'm very grateful for how, how easy that was for me. And I think also like the time that it happened, like, I think if it was 15 years earlier, there would have been a lot more. Even five years earlier. Like people have changed so much. It's why I'm obsessed with the fucking Charlie Sheen documentary right now.

[A]

Obsessed.

[B]

Him talking about that and like changing the paradigm and like just being open.

[A]

I didn't get to that part yet, but I heard about it.

[B]

I just ruined it for you. But I just think that like that's so cool. That's, like, for someone like him to talk about that. I have so much respect for that.

[A]

Yeah. And he's just so. I mean, everything he says with a smile, I'm like, I see how he got away with everything.

[B]

Yeah. He's charming.

[A]

He's so. That's like the. I miss that about, like, Hollywood.

[B]

Me, too.

[A]

Like, people that just had the charisma and didn't give a but. Like, didn't give a real.

[B]

He did not give a but. I. But I think that's. That's why I'm, like, so attracted to people that are like that right now, that are still that unapologetic, complete. Like Julia Fox, for example. I need more people like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like there's. There's. People are fearful to be themselves right now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They're fearful of saying the wrong thing. They're fearful of, you know, spitting out an opinion that, you know is going to be.

[A]

Doesn't align with the rest of the world.

[B]

Yeah. So then instead we just become this, like, meek.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Quiet version of ourselves. And, like, we don't even give people the opportunity to be corrected and to learn. And, like, I think that's how you grow, is being like, I fucked up. And I. You're right.

[A]

And the Nader that we were talking about, the reason why I'm obsessed with it, because I feel like it's like a cultural kind of moment of maybe going back to, like, you know, that. That kind of realist shit where, like, you have nothing to say. No one's going to say, brooks, you're setting a bad example for shooting up Ozempic. She knows. She says it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She doesn't think it's a good thing 100%, but because she's being so fucking honest about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm telling you, I didn't see one person be like, well, trigger warning or that's going to affect young kids. Like, no, because she straight up said, yeah. Like, this is what I'm doing. I have to do it. Like, this is the industry. Like, she's fainting over it. And no one's hating because she's just putting it out there.

[B]

That's what I love. That's why I love Charlie Sheen and her and. And Julia. And it's like the ownership. I think ownership is the sexiest thing in the world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And just like saying you up and saying you're in the wrong and. And there's nothing hotter than that. Than that. Rather than, you know, people putting the blame thrower on everyone else and blaming everything else and like, just, just truly, I think that's not to segue back to the book, but like, to try to do that in my book and own all the really shitty parts about myself and the way.

[A]

What is the thing you feel like, worst about that you've done that you are most regretful about in your life thus far?

[B]

In the memoir, I would say being a really bad friend, I've been a really shitty friend to people. And part of that, I think, not to blame, but having a little bit more insight about my personality disorder, like, made it make sense to me why I'm so hot and cold and can be such a dick. And I have a lot of. A lot of resentment on that and, and. And try my best to be a better friend and family member. I think that's probably the biggest thing where I wish I. I could have.

[A]

Been a better friend.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you do talk about this borderline personality diagnosis.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When was that? What year was that?

[B]

That was 2023. Right before.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Right before.

[A]

Before the.

[B]

Before the marriage.

[A]

Before the marriage, yeah. Did he know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is this a thing now that you, like, feel like you have to say, I feel like that's weird. Like, do I come to, like, I'm like, I have anxiety. I take Zillow for it. Like, is. When does this come up in conversations?

[B]

It's such a weird thing because it's like you feel like you have this. This albatross around your neck and like, that's you're suddenly that you know. And like, you suddenly feel like once you say that you have that, that's all they see.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But also it can explain things sometimes. You can explain things sometimes. And there can be a little bit. You know, I think part of the things is like, I split a lot and so I like, see someone as all good are all bad and like, nothing in between. It's so black and white. Like, if you do one thing wrong, I'm suddenly like, you, I can't trust you. You ruined my life. Or I'm obsessed immediately.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, I meet someone for a minute, I'm going to marry them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I did. And I think, I think, like, I do still have, like, a resistance with the label of it. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It feels just, like, so permanent. And it's also something that you can work on and you can get. You can diminish some of those parts of yourself that are negative side effects of having that. But I do think it helps people understand. I help My friends and family, like, understand me. And when they read the book and I broke it down for them, they were like, that makes so much sense why you're like, thank you. Yeah. I was like, I wish I could use my words to tell you guys that.

[A]

But also, like, I feel like there's more stigma around it. It hasn't gotten. I mean, anxiety and depression are now like, nothing. Right. Like, everyone's like, I'm so anxious. They use it wrong. Sometimes I'm so depressed. Like, are you clinically depressed?

[B]

Right.

[A]

They're so used, like, in vain sometimes that I. I don't. Like. Like, I'd appreciate if people use it when they're actually have anxiety or depression and not as just like a trendy thing, but it's gotten to that point where it's, like, trendy. Right, to, like, be so anxious and so depressed.

[B]

Right.

[A]

BPD hasn't gotten that kind of, like, trendy thing going.

[B]

No, I think it's. If anything, it's like, oh, I better not tell anybody I have this. I don't want to be labeled as a liability or be people to freak out and think I'm gonna, you know, become multiple different people. But there's also really good things about it. You know, I think there's also some positives that made me maybe a better actor, better writer, probably not a better partner, probably not a better son, probably not a better friend. But I think some of it can be like a. You can reframe it as like a little superpower, you know, that's.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that about other mental health issues as well. Like with anxiety, it's like it's protecting you or it's helping you. You know, it's. It's protecting you from not doing something that maybe isn't right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, sometimes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is giving you, like, an edge.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[A]

What do the meds do? Do they. How do they stabilize it?

[B]

I mean, are you. That's the thing that. That's the worst part of it is, like, once you figure that out, they put you on this cocktail of different things to try. And that's when I said it out loud on TV or something about, like, being manic at the time. Like, it. That wasn't a joke. Like, I was truly going through mania because I was misdiagnosed or mis. Prescribed. Things like, they just are kind of throwing things at a wall. So I think that that's a really tricky thing, and that's the meds. Yeah. I've found, like, the most helpful thing for me is like a very low medication and doing DBT therapy and like.

[A]

What is the DBT again?

[B]

Dialectical behavioral therapy. It's like just kind of retraining the nervous system so you don't get into that fight or flight black and white kind of way of thinking and, and kind of recenter yourself so you don't get so activated and, and also like not to get woohoo but like breathing somatic yoga stuff. Like if I don't do that, I notice that my. I'm on edge and I'm really. Yeah, I can kind of tip over into that world.

[A]

Do you know anybody else who has it that you connected with?

[B]

Trisha.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Trisha Paytas. Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like there's another celebrity that has been open about it, I think.

[B]

Like Madison Beard, Julia Fox.

[A]

Oh, Julia Fox too.

[B]

I think I don't want to miss. Yeah, I don't want to misdiagnose. I think she maybe has had said that. But yeah, I think, I think it's also really common and I think all those cluster B personality ones like narcissistic bipolar, a bunch of other ones that are in that category can kind of people can misdiagnose you and think of one or the other. So like I think for a while they were like maybe you're bipolar and then they give you the bipolar meds and then you're straightening your hair and fur and running around.

[A]

I love how your hair makes a lot of appearances in this book. Yeah, it's like a, it's like you remember what hair you had and it like annoys you that your hair that day was like. It's really a thing. And it does change a lot. Like you definitely had different hair the last time I saw you.

[B]

It's a BPD thing that you change your appearance and you change your hair and you really. It's an identity, a sense of like you're trying to figure out your identity.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

That's what I was told. But I've been literally dying and changing my hair since I was like, yes, you're like.

[A]

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[B]

I think because the title is jarring. And listen, I'm asking for criticism with that title. I'm inviting to be on. I'm inviting to be criticized by even writing this book at this early. So I get that. I'm down with that. I'm welcomed it. I. I know read your negative comments. If you leave them, I'm gonna try not to. I've learned that lesson. But I think that they're gonna be surprised about how much heart it has to it.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

How much love it has to it. How much not Hollywood bullshit is in there.

[A]

I agree. Because the title does give. Like, I'm gonna get down and dirty about this wedding. I'm gonna talk about all the glitz and the this and the whatever.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And, you know, the way we dive into, like, the way you grew up and family and drugs and addiction and. That's not what the title is giving.

[B]

No, it's not. It's a. Honestly, that title was, like, beating everyone to the punch. It's just like, being like, I'm gonna say it before you guys are clearly gonna say it, that I wrote it for attention, which probably some part of that is true. But I'm gonna. Just gonna. I'm gonna do that for you.

[A]

You were literally, like, at aaa. What. What age was that? Doing AAA meetings?

[B]

Yeah, I was put on probation and sent to AA. I think I was 17. Yeah. I loved it. I still love it. I go. I. I go just to check in sometimes.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I. I vacillate from, like, not drinking and drinking and. And. And I go to, you know, Al Anon, which is another thing, and coda for codependence. And so I. I pop in there and I think that.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's really helpful for me to hear other people's stories and. And connect with that. And. And I think, you know, some of the steps, I think, are just applicable to. To anybody to try to, like, be a better version of yourself, you know?

[A]

Yeah. A lot of Hollywood guys, I feel like, love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I. I'm like the Dax Shepard, Brad Pitt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you ever hope you'll run into any of them at a meeting? I have.

[B]

I've run into some of the, you know, the Hollywood meeting. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's fun.

[A]

I feel like that's stressful. No. To run into, like.

[B]

I think that there's a very, very clear, like, you're not there. You do not talk about it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. And it's. It's. It's a very important part of it. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, don't talk about Fight Club.

[B]

Exactly. Exactly.

[A]

We also need to talk about your career because obviously, like, last time you said something really funny. When you were on my pod, you were like, I think you were like, I'm like a little bit in everything.

[B]

Yeah, still am. I. Still am.

[A]

I a little in everything. And the way you were so scrappy, first of all, like, is inspiring. Reminds me of a lot of qualities that I have, like the lying. I've lied on resumes to get jobs, to get anything. I, I loved that part because there's a very clear, there's a very clear, like, showing of how you knew you want to become actor, what you did to become an actor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And all the like, little things that you've had to like, maneuver to get to where you are and that you're so thankful for the place that you are in right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So tell me about moving to LA when you were fresh off, what, 18?

[B]

Yeah. I did college for like three weeks a month. And then I, I didn't even write about it in the book. I barely finished high school. I don't know why I thought college was a good idea.

[A]

But where did you go?

[B]

University of Oregon.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. But didn't last long. No, no, not at all. And yeah, it was just like, it's kind of talking about earlier about like the superpower thing, like some of that impulsivity and that naitivity and that bold, impulsive behavior that I did early on was something that was really helpful when moving to LA as an 18 year old with no connections, no plan, nothing, and I just literally got a motel that was doing a monthly stay.

[A]

Motel. I know, I was shocked.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And by yourself?

[B]

By myself. And then when I didn't, thank God I had my grandma and my aunt and I could crash on their couch for like a night or two without ruining their family by sleeping over. But I had, I had, you know, at least a little bit of family in la and I just, I. You know what's so crazy? I think I saw like Remember New York? Tiffany Pollard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's obsessed with her. Yeah, Yeah, I was obsessed. I talk about Flavor of Love and Rock of Love constantly.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I love that you were like. So you weren't like one of those annoying. Like the Godfather was my favorite movie. It was like all trashy. Like, I loved it.

[B]

It's like when people did the letterbox. Oh my God.

[A]

That's what I was gonna say. I was like, yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, okay. It's like you have to prepare for letterbox and you have to like make up the really smart sounding movies.

[B]

I got shit on for. I said Secret Life of Pets and like spring breaks. And they were like, everyone. The comments was like, fuck him. Again, reading the comments. I stand by it. I. Fudgeing Love, Secret Life of Pets.

[A]

Spring breakers is a choice.

[B]

I watch breakers is so was that. I just like, I saw it as a teenager. When it came out, you just were horny for it.

[A]

That's.

[B]

I was horny for it. I was like, I saw it in theaters five times.

[A]

You were there. You thought you were one of them.

[B]

I thought I was like singing every time by Britney Spears in Miami on spring break.

[A]

He literally thought you were in it.

[B]

I thought I was one of the girls.

[A]

Connected to it.

[B]

I did.

[A]

You connected to it.

[B]

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Back to what was.

[A]

Oh, you were in. No, just the way you moved to LA when you were 18.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Took a motel.

[B]

Yeah. And then. Oh, the Tiffany Pollard guy. That's where it all comes full circle.

[A]

Yeah. Back to Tiffany.

[B]

Always back to flavor and Rock of Love. She had a show called I Love Hollywood, New York Goes to Hollywood. Her becoming an actress, there's a really iconic line of her saying, a girl says, break a leg out there at an audition and she says, I'm not going to break a leg. I'm going to get the part. That's what I'm going to do. And she goes to an acting class. And I watched that in my couple weeks of college. Found the acting class, went to this motel and just started auditioning away. And I met Haley Lou Richardson from White Lotus Season 2 at this acting class. And that was my first friend in L. A.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's so interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which you went to the acting class that Tiffany.

[B]

Just because New York did.

[A]

That's why I'm obsessed with this book and with you. Because this was what, 10 years ago to 12 years ago?

[B]

12 years ago, years ago.

[A]

So, like, you didn't have. I mean, Google was around, whatever. But it's not like today you could really deep dive and it wasn't this crazy, but your deep dives and the way you did with the. This is one of my favorite parts of the book. With the Sam Levinson gag.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With flying out to New Orleans and doing all that and to get it so scrappy.

[B]

So scrappy. So impulsive.

[A]

So impulsive. So, like, like finding out and finding out where it films and going. So, like, and the, the way I, I, I was saying before that I related to you is because, like, yes, you did wild and you took risks to get to where you are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was always very, like, calculated and smart, like you were Sleeping in a motel. Yes. But it's not. Not like you were, like, sleeping in your car, being like, I'm gonna. You know, you did what you had to do, but in this very, very scrappy, smart way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, got lucky. Kind of like in the Charlie Sheen documentary where he was like, the thing was, every time I fucked up, like, something good would happen.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

And same for you.

[B]

Every time I up. Every time I made a mistake, something led me to where I was supposed to be and, like, the right move.

[A]

And you were like, I came in looking hungover. They love the love.

[B]

I came in, like, sunburnt and hungover. And ultimately, that is, like, what got me the part. Right All. You know, I think everyone else was this polished version of themselves, and I was just. Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's what it is. It's like being bold and. And. And being brave and luck. But I think a lot of this book is. Is. It's not inspirational. It's not. I mean, I guess it could be if you take it that way, but it's not like, look at what I've done. I'm still working at it. I'm still.

[A]

You're still. You're still like, that.

[B]

I'm still hustling. I'm still hustling.

[A]

Like, what you texted me the other day about being here for something that you're doing was also in the same vein as the way you were writing about in the book.

[B]

You know, staying with a bunch of five frat guys. Five frat guys from.

[A]

I don't know if you wanted to say that. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, yeah, you can say it. I'm. I'll be in book number two. I' staying with five I've never met from Harvard right now and in the tribe.

[A]

And you're like, I'm doing a movie. Like, I'm gonna do what I have to do. And I love that side of it because I think Hollywood is always so glamorized and, like, anyone that has, like, you know, even one part in a show, we're sure. And we see them at a New York Fashion Week event, we're sure. It's like, oh, my God.

[B]

Like, look. Yeah.

[A]

Look at what they did.

[B]

And so unattainable. Yeah.

[A]

And then, like, I think it's really interesting and really, like, important and inspiring to see, like, somebody working for it and. And. And doing whatever it takes still. And you said in the book, like, I want to know if you still feel this way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That you just wanted to be a working actor?

[B]

Yeah, I still do.

[A]

Is that how you feel 100 or are you like, like I want the, the big ass fame, the like, you know, everyone knows my name in every household kind of fame?

[B]

No, I mean, look, I think there's a certain level of fame where you get offered parts and it makes your life a lot easier and you get to do cooler roles that you can't usually do. But I'm super content right now. I'm down to be in the ring. I'm down to fight, fight for my life for the next part. Like I. And I like that I can be like, I'm not super recognizable to the point where, like, I can't live my life and. Yeah, but. And like the truth is, like, I'm a character reactor and like I'm not your typical leading dude. So like, I'm gonna be popping up in five minutes of your shows. I'm sorry. I know it's a jump scare. I know it's annoying, but first of all, overcompensating.

[A]

Oh, I loved you in it. I'm so happy that you're in it.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

It made it like, love the show and you being part of it together.

[B]

I love Mary Beth.

[A]

How did that happen that you were in it? Was it like an audition thing or is it okay?

[B]

That's actually my. I think my only offer I've ever got. I think that was just because offer only. Please. God damn it. I'm so over auditioning. No, I love it, love it. It's great. Mary Beth Barone and. And Benny are friends of mine and they hit me up like, would you do this little part or would you come in and. And I just. I think they're so funny. And yeah, I think that was my only offer.

[A]

That was the only offer. Only.

[B]

I think everything else I've auditioned for.

[A]

And is it still those Zoom auditions?

[B]

Yeah, sometimes. Or just self tapes or. Sometimes in person now?

[A]

Sometimes in person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's the craziest thing you've done to get a role? Aside from go to New Orleans and.

[B]

And lie to an agent? Craziest thing I've done to get a role. I wish. I wish I slept with someone for a role.

[A]

You've never.

[B]

No, I wish. Been so much easier. Easier than.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What did I. The craziest thing I've done for a role? I think, I think that story in the book, it has to be the craziest thing ever.

[A]

I think there's nothing that worked out for you.

[B]

It did.

[A]

I mean, you met Sam you ended up getting the part. Meeting Sam Levinson doing Euphoria a few years later. Tell me about getting punched by Jacob Elordi. Is it everything that one could hope for?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I really think he's the hottest guy in Hollywood right now.

[B]

He's ridiculously good looking.

[A]

Like, you know how like everyone's hot right now and like people dying over, like everyone. He pops up for me. I'm just saying personally pops up for me and I'm like, this is it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like the height.

[B]

He's so tall.

[A]

He's so tall. He's so. He's so tall and like good looking and has an accent. So. Yes. Back to getting punched by him.

[B]

I loved it. I was so in. He's. He was great. I mean everyone in that show was so great and so talented and it was cool to like, it wasn't out yet when we were filming. Obviously it was the first season. I'm always the first season kind of, kind of gal and every. Everyone was on the, the precipice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of becoming a star.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so, yeah, it was cool. I mean. And they've stayed the same.

[A]

You did have a moment in the book. We talk about not being envious, being envious of other people's success.

[B]

I'm so jealous. I'm so jealous.

[A]

So. And, and you say that like it's, it's hard. Listen, in any industry. But for the White Lotus. Not White Lotus, for the Euphoria people, you're like, ever since then, they all blew up. Nate, Jacob, Lordy. Sydney Sweeney, Zendaya, obviously.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How do you deal with that? Like that fine line of like the jealousy or the. I want that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and how do you keep it at a healthy place?

[B]

I mean, the competitive anxiety of being in LA is never going to go away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And luckily the people that I named, I was happy for them because they're good people. It's a little bit harder when they're not good people. When you see them killing it, then you really want to kill yourself. You really go crazy from that. But competition, competing is what makes me get shit done.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Oh. I'm the most competitive person in the world. So there's a, there's a part of me that is fueled by it and needs to, to, to have that because it's like, it's what makes me get stuff done.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really. Honestly.

[A]

But how do you keep it, like not killing you?

[B]

I think it's got, it just. It's got better with time. And I think the one thing I've really, really noticed with time is like, what is meant for you is meant for you. I love that. It really is. It's like you can't. You can only do so much. You can only fly across the world to try to get apart and. And Right. But sometimes you're just not right for it, and you just have to go. Next. What?

[A]

You're in the 14%, babe, I'm in the 14%. I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know why? So read the book. It's so good. Again, I wrote this for attention. The 14 is important. And I feel like, to me, speaking about, like, what can make you feel better does not make you feel better. You're in the 14. The 40. Tell. Tell people what we're talking about with the 14.

[B]

The 14 is the number of members in SAG who can make their. Their health benefits to. To have their health insurance. I mean, it doesn't make me feel better because it's crazy. Like, we. That's insane. The number.

[A]

No, no. Okay, let me rephrase.

[B]

No, I know what you're saying, though. Yes.

[A]

That you're, like, in this pretty elite group of people. Yeah, that. That gives you some validation.

[B]

No, it's the thing that I said in the book that you said. I just want to be a working actor.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I just. I just want to continue to work and continue to grow and continue to be able to pay for my health insurance and my rent, you know?

[A]

It's crazy that it's only 14%.

[B]

It's so insane.

[A]

It's insane.

[B]

It's not okay. It's not okay.

[A]

What was the best advice that you ever got from someone in. In Hollywood?

[B]

Ooh. Who was it that said that? I mean, I would say. Fuck. That's a really good question.

[A]

I do love Coolidge's advice.

[B]

I mean, Coolidges is so good of just, who cares?

[A]

Because, honestly, I'm gonna take that with me.

[B]

Who cares? Everyone forgets something the next day, and we're in a world where, like, it happened with me. Or you can be suddenly viral in five minutes, and your whole life can change, and. And then they don't give a shit anymore. And you can be hot one minute, and it's just.

[A]

You were talking about the viral for the zoom. Yeah, but I was thinking the viral for the wedding.

[B]

Oh, the viral for the wedding. Oh, God, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like that. Like, you can be. It's. It's. That was an interesting thing. It was like the hero of the Internet for the viral video to being Kind of like shit on.

[A]

Shit on. For. For the other thing. Yeah, for that. I did, like, sp. Speaking about the wedding, I did find it interesting that you said that because there was a time where people thought you were, like, queer baiting because they weren't sure about your sexuality. And you're like, why do I have to scream this? Why can't I just do what I want to do? You felt like that part of doing this wedding and making it so public was kind of like, okay, shut the up.

[B]

Part of it was like, yeah, shut the up. Like, what? I'm gonna be so on your face and annoying about it because you guys are on my tip about it for so long to tell you what I am. And I. I'm. I don't need to tell you. But then full transparency. There was a part of me that was like, I was already out to everybody that I knew, but if I was out to the industry, that was all I was gonna pay. That's all I was gonna play.

[A]

And that's what you were, by the way. It makes sense, like, the concern.

[B]

Yeah. And look, we've gotten better from it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But ultimately, like, now that you know that and you don't want to work with me because that. You can't see me because of that, like, I don't really want to work with you either.

[A]

You know, like, you're saying if. If you don't get cast as, like, a leading straight character because they.

[B]

Because they know this about my. My personal life and they can't distinguish the. From the character. Like, if that's what it is, then we're probably not going to get along and probably not going to see eye to eye creatively anyway. So, like, so be it. Like, I'm just going to. I'm going to put it all out there.

[A]

And I'm sure there are. I mean, there are rumors about a lot, but, like, how many closeted.

[B]

Everyone's gay.

[A]

That's your next book, babe.

[B]

Everyone's gay.

[A]

Everyone's gay.

[B]

Write that down.

[A]

But, like, how many closeted actors. So many, like, live a fake life because they're. They're. They're. They have that fear that you were talking about.

[B]

So many. And I think it's. Everyone's on a spectrum.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I really do believe that. I really believe that people fall somewhere really far one way or one way or maybe in the middle, and. And, you know, that's. I understand it, so I would never.

[A]

You understand why they. I totally do sometimes wish that you.

[B]

Hadn'T gotten married on the Kardashians. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But no regrets.

[A]

Hashtag no regrets. For real.

[B]

No regrets for real. Look, I learned so much about it.

[A]

Got married on the Kardashian. Was it the way you described your suit? Killed me. Because, babe, it was pre on point. The way you described it, like the Zigfried and Roy.

[B]

It was crazy.

[A]

And you saying that you were dissociating, Disassociating there.

[B]

I always say that we're wrong, too. I said in my audible wrong multiple times. So we're like, no, that's not how you say it.

[A]

You took me back to it because I knew you and, like, love you. And then watching that episode, it's like, knock, knock.

[B]

I don't recognize. I don't know who that person is.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And that is really, really disturbing. I don't know that I don't see anyone behind the eyes.

[A]

You watched the episode.

[B]

I couldn't do it till later.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I. No one's home.

[A]

Shania's there. It's the whole thing.

[B]

We cut the part with Usher there.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah, it was. It's. It's like I talk about there. There is a very, very crazy way that sometimes we go about prescribing people medication.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I can joke about it and have humility and laugh about it because it's funny and it's like, whatever. It's a good story.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's the great thing about this. All this kind of bad, traumatic stuff made for great stories. They really do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I do feel like we have to, like, really kind of be careful about prescribing people medication and, and just throwing it out there like that. Like, I, I.

[A]

You feel like that was the reason that you ended up going through with something like this.

[B]

Look, I'm not going to, like, put the blame on that. And, like, there was a part of me that was, you know, in. In love or felt like he was in love and, and happy and. And just going with the flow or thought he was happy and going with the flow, but there was another part of me that I. I didn't recognize myself, and everyone around me didn't recognize who I was.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And. Yeah. And then getting off of them, I suddenly had clarity, and I was like, oh, I just blew up my life.

[A]

He came out with the book at the same time as you or around or is talking about it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was after.

[A]

What role are you most bummed about not getting? There's got to be something good with you because you probably auditioned for for such good one.

[B]

And I got really close to it. It's my favorite filmmaker, Andre Arnold and I tested for American Honey. Have you seen that movie?

[A]

No.

[B]

Shia LaBeouf. Riley Keog. It was like a indie software.

[A]

That's how you say her last name. Good to know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Riley Keog, insane cast, insane filmmaker. One of my favorite movies. I remember seeing it in London when it came out. And just like that one, that one hurt. Oh, that one really hurt.

[A]

What were you supposed to play?

[B]

One of the. One of the people in the. They like travel across the world in a band together and just that kind of. That kind of movie is my.

[A]

My is your dream.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you. Does it work when you tell yourself what's not meant for you isn't for you? What were we talking about before?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think. I think ultimately if. Let's say I got that movie and I didn't, you know, I didn't feel the need to jump on a flight. This was before the Sam Levinson New Orleans.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So maybe I didn't feel like I was in that place and I wouldn't have met my best friends and I wouldn't have met.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, I wouldn't have done.

[A]

A while ago.

[B]

A while ago. Yeah. It was in the beginning.

[A]

And that's still your biggest, biggest one or is that just the one you're giving me?

[B]

Because I swear to God that one is like there's ones of course that have been amazing money jobs that like made me really secure. But that one is like my heart.

[A]

Creative one.

[B]

It's a creative one that kills me.

[A]

Important. Before we go, thoughts on Sheena and Lala not being besties anymore.

[B]

What's happening? Did you see all not happening.

[A]

It's all by the way, was the writing on the wall for this friendship with like joint condos in Palm Springs or whatever they have going on?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't believe. You know what I think it is? If I had to guess, Lala didn't support she shows book enough. She was like, you didn't post me, right? You didn't tag me, right? You didn't like promote my book, right? Lala was like, fudge you, dude.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'm over you and your shit.

[B]

Did you promote my book?

[A]

Did you promote my.

[B]

Yeah, you know, it's the book world. The book drama.

[A]

The book drama.

[B]

The esthetician and book drama.

[A]

Are you going to send your book to all the. All the people and then post and.

[B]

I am pouring myself for yourself. I am sending it to everybody. I am dming random book talkers who tell me I don't want to read your book.

[A]

Book talk. Those people are.

[B]

I literally have had multiple messages backs from them that are like, thank you so much. I'm not interested. I don't like memoirs. You're.

[A]

You're hustling.

[B]

I'm doing it myself.

[A]

You're still hustling.

[B]

Oh, every day. You have to, my love.

[A]

It's so good. Everybody get this book, please. I wrote this for attention. You're gonna love it. You're gonna love Lucas.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Even fucking more than you already do, honestly.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

This is my one book that I'm gonna read this year, you guys. I've chosen this. Welcome to my book club.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

It's called one book a year, and I've chosen this. So get the fuck with it. Okay, when. When did. When Is it available?

[B]

October 14th. It's available for pre. Sales are available now. Audible, Amazon, Barnes and Noble books, a million signed copies. Whatever.

[A]

Just buy it. It's so good. And then are we going to try to, like, make a. Make a show or movie?

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

That's where things are going, my love.

[B]

I mean, listen, let's put it out there.

[A]

Let's hustle together. Yeah, I'll help. I just made myself a producer. Producers, I love you. Thank you for coming.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

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