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Matt Rogers
The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
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Amanda Hirsch
Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys, welcome to another podcast today. Oh, my God. Thank God we got through the Spotify Wrapped of it all. First of all, why does Spotify Wrapped, which I used to call it Spotify Warped, which just shows you, like, something is wrong with me. Thank you for supporting me. And it's a lot. It's a lot. See, everyone's Spotify wrapped. It's a lot to try to care about it. It's a lot. What did Chloe once say to Chris? Like, she's mustering up the energy to, like, not give a fudge. However, there are some. There are some cool stats and a podcaster, obviously, they're cool stats to see who's listening, where you're listening. And again, thank you so much for all your support. I could have done it without you. I mean, we are going into award season. Are we? Yeah. Critics Choice Awards just announced. Nobody wants this. Is nominated for three Critics Choice Awards. I'm so excited for Aaron and Sarah, but also, just aside from even loving them, I love the show so much. And if you listen to my podcast with Aaron and Sarah, I was like, this is gonna be award nominated. And I remember Aaron was like, really, Amanda? I was like, it will mark my words. And look, it is. We have Adam Brody back doing frickin magazine covers. We don't even care what magazine cover he's doing. Who knows? The stylist. I don't know that magazine, but he's on it. He should be on Vogue. Okay. He is. Literally. You guys know me. I can be like, a little anti culture. Like, I'm not always obsessed with what everyone's obsessed with. I try to find how not to be. Sometimes I'm like, everyone's into this. Like, yeah, pick me. I'll pick me. But no, there's some things that I'm like, let me run with the herd. Because the herd is right and Adam Brody's renaissance is the best thing that happened to us. I also want to run with the herd on Wicked, because first of all, I think this press tour, we've seen a lot of press tours, you know, in Life, but also this past year, and press tours have been just getting more, like, having more of a personality. Like, you can catalog them. Like, what, what kind of press tour was that? You know, and with Wicked, I mean, this is an emotional press tour. It's literally Cynthia and Ariana just crying all over. Weeping. You know, I can't get over the image of Ariana holding Cynthia's long nail and just holding that one finger. But obviously, yes, they're crying everywhere. They're very emotional. And it is, it does make me want to see Wicked. Even aside from the fact that I wanted to see Wicked and I haven't even seen the play. I know, don't cancel me. And I'm letting all the theater kids see it first and then I'm going to go see it, I promise. And everyone's crying. I probably won't cry. If I cry, I'll be very surprised. But I am very into how emotional Ariana is and how much I'm like, happy for her. And this actually really leads me into today's guest, Matt Rogers. Matt Rogers is not only hilarious, he's an actor, he's an amazing podcaster. He has a podcast, Las Cold Touristas. He's a singer and he's in this great new show, no Good Deed, that is on Netflix, so everybody should watch it. It's coming out in a couple days. It's with Ray Romano and Lisa Kudrow, among many, many, many, many others. And he's so fun. Obsessed. Like obsessed with him. You guys are going to enjoy this one. And yeah, we also discuss Ariana and what he has to say about her. Could bring one to tears. And he actually did bring her to tears on his. His own podcast. Anyway, enjoy this one with Matt Rogers. You're talking about your apartment. Yeah, in. Because he's by co.
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Matt Rogers
He's bi.
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Amanda Hirsch
Spal.
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Matt Rogers
Not sexual.
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Amanda Hirsch
But what do you. What's your preference though? New York or la? Cuz you're from Long Island.
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Matt Rogers
I am from Long Island. I guess the preference depends on who, like, I'm aspiring to be that day. It's like, do you want to be like the healthy, productive version of yourself? Then you should be in Los Angeles.
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Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
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Matt Rogers
This also, however, means you get a little antisocial because you're just in your corner, can't be bothered, like. And also, it's not that I don't like the people in la. Never finish a sentence. But it's like, I love my like, people in New York. I went to college here. I grew up on Long island, like you said. And that like, familiarity and like, that comfort here allows me to be like the fun version of myself. I Date a lot more here. I'm, like, really trying to wait.
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Amanda Hirsch
That's important, though.
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Matt Rogers
So important. So important. Especially to me now.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah. So I'm looking Well.
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Amanda Hirsch
Love that we're putting it out there. But also, New York is cooler.
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Matt Rogers
Way cooler. Way easier to get around.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Not that I don't like driving.
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Amanda Hirsch
You know what? I love Carol Radwazell. Radwell, Whatever. The. I love her, by the way. Just not good with last name.
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Matt Rogers
I love her, too.
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Amanda Hirsch
She. There was a secret New York. You know, one of those Instagram pages, like, secret New York over her New York, one of those. So they put up, like, this thing of, like, 75 rats in, like, Port Authority, like, outside and being like, oh, yeah, New York is so great, or something. And then Carol the queen commented, like, surprisingly, she didn't comment about the patriarchy because that's all she comments.
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Matt Rogers
She does like to comment on.
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Amanda Hirsch
She loves the patriarchy.
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Matt Rogers
And there's a lot to say, to be fair.
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Amanda Hirsch
Everything.
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Matt Rogers
I would love to hear her take.
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Amanda Hirsch
Such good takes about the patriarchy. Always everything since back. So she commented, are you moving? Because someone were like, oh, yeah, move to New York. It's so great. And then put those 75 rats. And she was like, are you moving to outside of Port Authority? Like, where are you going? And then I was like, she's so right. Because Carol lives on, like, you know, like, Prince street or something. It's gorgeous.
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Matt Rogers
She's like, just move to Prince street. Like me.
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Amanda Hirsch
Just buy a loft with a cat and pretend problem solved.
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Matt Rogers
Your neighbor's Taylor Swift.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, me, your neighbor Taylor Swift.
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Matt Rogers
I mean, literally, that's.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so you have a place here, place there, and you literally, like, bop.
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Matt Rogers
I bop. And the bopping is getting exhausting and also, like, not tenable for me. Hopefully finding my. And I want to stress this husband.
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Amanda Hirsch
I love this.
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Matt Rogers
I know I would like it.
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Amanda Hirsch
This is an era.
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Matt Rogers
But then, actually, okay, so today I'm. What I do is, like, when I get ready and, like, like, you know, I'm. I. I, like, put my laptop open next to my, like, sink, and I, like, let YouTube just go, okay.
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Amanda Hirsch
And YouTube.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah. I'm like a. You freak.
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Amanda Hirsch
Really?
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Matt Rogers
Like, songs or, like, interviews? Like, the Kelly Clarkson show came on today, and she was having a conversation with someone, and she goes, oh, I'm never getting married again. I learned my lesson. It's a business decision. And then I thought to myself, like, I. If something goes left in a marriage sense, not to, like, freak you out, but, like, I. I fear the Legal process.
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Amanda Hirsch
Uhhuh.
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Matt Rogers
Like the divorce of it all. I don't think divorce would look good on me at all.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, you'd get. You'd get bitchy.
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Matt Rogers
I'm like, I got dumped once in like a really intense way. And I became a cartoon version of someone who was broken up with me as a divorced woman. Wait, I don't know.
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Amanda Hirsch
We're. Who was this person that broke your heart? Was it Henry?
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Matt Rogers
No. Oh my God. You did the research.
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Amanda Hirsch
No, no, no. Because I got to that post. I know, how cute of me. Wait, I got to the post where you're thanking Henry for doing the show with you.
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Matt Rogers
I love him.
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Amanda Hirsch
But then I was like, wait. Cause you wrote something about like, my first heartbreak. So did you, like, have a thing?
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Matt Rogers
He was my first heartbreak because. Because it was that kind of. So my. I've had three boyfriends. My first boyfriend, Henry Kapersky, who's actually still my musical director and my dear friend to this day. We actually sort of found what we were supposed to be through having a relationship. But we dated from when I was 25 to like 27 couple years. Lived together in New York. Like that first relationship that. That you have and that you test everything out in your limits and everything, which is not the relationship because you're finding what you like. It was a heartbreak in that you, of course, have hopes for it and then you just need two different things. And we eventually arrived at like, what we're supposed to be. But he is lovely and an amazing person. And my second relationship was a year long. That was in la. He's also still a best friend of mine. The third one.
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Amanda Hirsch
Do that. It's so fun for you guys to stay friends.
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Matt Rogers
Well, I always thought, like, this can happen with every relationship. You just have to figure it out. I didn't understand. I think I understood that. I never thought, like, I'll be the kind of person that has like a scorched earth, like, can't really have contact situation with.
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh, so it depends on, like. So by the way, if Matt is still friends with you and you're an ex, I mean, she really didn't love you that much because it means I.
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Matt Rogers
Loved you the most.
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Amanda Hirsch
No, it doesn't.
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Matt Rogers
You think, well, you know what?
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Amanda Hirsch
It's like, maybe a different kind of love.
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Matt Rogers
I think I found out what it meant to be like, in like a consuming love at first sight, which ultimately means it's like chemistry means like good things and bad things because you're not making the right decision.
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Amanda Hirsch
Right.
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Matt Rogers
I found all that shit out in my last relationship, which, like, really fucked me up. Not because anything was like, you know, it wasn't, like, abusive or crazy or whatever. It was just like. It was a love bomb situation. I got love bombed by a narcissist. Narcissist. Oh.
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Amanda Hirsch
I was gonna ask you if you're gonna use any of the buzzwords, and you did. And I hate using the buzzwords because.
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Matt Rogers
I feel like they lose power now that they're all over the place. Like, toxic narcissist.
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Amanda Hirsch
Exactly.
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Matt Rogers
Love bomb.
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Amanda Hirsch
Gaslighting.
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Matt Rogers
Gaslighting. It's like. It's boring, but it is real.
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Amanda Hirsch
But it is real. Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
And I hope the best for that person, but the. The truth is, that is what happened.
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Amanda Hirsch
What? Told you. You were just, like, the most amazing thing all day.
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Matt Rogers
I couldn't have felt, like, like, it. The red flags were aplenty.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
But it didn't matter because I was like. No, it just. You wouldn't understand. It makes sense. You're not in it.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
And then you get. You come full circle and you look back on it and you're like, oh, we were both cuckoo.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
And, yeah, ultimately, you look back on it and you're like, that is not what either of us needed. And, you know, again, like, it's hard because then. Then people, like, they feel a certain way when you, like, talk about it, in a sense. And I'm like, my thing is, like, all the best for him. That was bad for me. But. But the one thing I got from it is, like, I know how badly I do want that.
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Amanda Hirsch
And. Do you. Did you learn from it to, like, be better at picking?
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Matt Rogers
I learned to not ignore things.
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Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
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Matt Rogers
That's what I learned.
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Amanda Hirsch
Okay. And dating wise, because, I mean, you've put it out there. You're looking, you're ready.
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Matt Rogers
I'm out here.
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Amanda Hirsch
Are you. She's out there. Where's that from?
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Matt Rogers
She's out there. Is that Sex in the City where.
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Amanda Hirsch
It was a scene where they went to that affirmations chorus, and I don't know why that's always in my mind, because I just. Carrie. So dramatic.
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Matt Rogers
What's your favorite episode? What is my favorite episode and why is it bad?
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Amanda Hirsch
No, that is. I mean, did it because, like, butter existed? Like, a lot of the things did.
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Matt Rogers
Oh, you mean the actual bed?
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Amanda Hirsch
No, that. That pub with the. With the bed.
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Matt Rogers
The fact that it did exist after that.
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Amanda Hirsch
The pub, the club. No, I just.
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Matt Rogers
That would be a mess.
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Amanda Hirsch
I love when Carrie, like, just puts the hand to chest. Everything is, like, no, no, she's out there.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
So you're out there.
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Matt Rogers
I'm out there.
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Amanda Hirsch
You're out there. I mean, but are you on apps? Like, are you.
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Matt Rogers
The apps are happening, like, in a way where I don't know. I'd rather not meet on an app. But, like, I'm on Mariah, but only because Tinder kicked me off.
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Amanda Hirsch
Why? You weren't.
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Matt Rogers
I. I broke community guidelines, which is somehow I. I think maybe. Okay, it's happened to me a couple times where I get reported because people think I'm your fake. A fake thing, which I'm like, who the fudge do I. Who do you think I am?
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, wait, I'm not, like, some gays out there. Like, I wish it was Matt Rogers, but it's a fake account, so I have to report.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah, that's happened to me on Grindr. That's happened to me, I think, on Tinder, because I'm not breaking community guidelines. I'm not a type of girl who, like, breaks community guidelines.
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Amanda Hirsch
What are you doing in there?
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Matt Rogers
No, I actually follow community guidelines in all sense of my life.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, it's a black card.
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Matt Rogers
Get this.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
I'm kicked off Faux Life. Like, I haven't been on in many years. Meanwhile, I liked Tinder. It was one of the ones I liked. And, like, in order to, like, kind of get back on the horse, though, you have to go through, like, Facebook, which I won't. I won't dare go. I shan.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, what do you mean? You sh.
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Matt Rogers
I literally sh. I'm loving shant now that you said shant. All day.
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Amanda Hirsch
All day. I love it. I'm like that too. I'm like, if someone says something good, let me copy it. Take it. Abuse it.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
So wait, you have to do the, like, login through Facebook.
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Matt Rogers
So I wish I. I have no time for. But then, I swear to God, Amanda, I literally. I'm on the plane the other day to come here next to me. The woman turns to me and goes, I just want to say, like, I really like your podcast. I like what you do. I'm like, oh, my God. So nice to meet you. We start a conversation. She's high up at Tinder, and she goes, we'll get you back on problem. Whips out her phone.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yes. Starts slacking. Whatever business people do, the slack came out. Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
I said, oh, my God. Slack?
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Which you don't know what it is.
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Matt Rogers
Talk dirty to me. No, like, literally cute.
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Amanda Hirsch
We're like, can we slack one time?
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Matt Rogers
Well, you know, I googled you, like just before here, like. Because I also did my research and I listened to a few episodes of the Pod and I love this podcast.
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Amanda Hirsch
Thank you.
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Matt Rogers
But I saw you have a LinkedIn that is chic.
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Amanda Hirsch
Oh my God, I do. Delete. We're doing that. Delete. No, wait, what's. You know what's so cute about my LinkedIn? I probably added not skinny enough app. I probably was like, not skinny enough app found our.
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Matt Rogers
You. I. Well, yes, that was of course on there, but can I say good. Okay, that's. That's a huge business achievement.
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Amanda Hirsch
You know what? So funny though. I think I get get notifications still, like, LinkedIn is the only place that like tells you, I think, like, who's looking at your.
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Matt Rogers
I found that out when my ex goes, hey, I saw you were looking at my LinkedIn. What's up?
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Amanda Hirsch
No, stop.
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Matt Rogers
I go, and I made a joke. I was like, well, to be fair, I was just trying to connect with other professionals. And he was like, no. Yeah, it tells you who looks. And I'm like, well, that's really embarrassing because it wasn't the first time I looked.
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Amanda Hirsch
That's so up of LinkedIn.
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Matt Rogers
It's really abusive to me. Someone who can't believe my online stalking.
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Amanda Hirsch
No, my LinkedIn came up.
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Matt Rogers
I mean, of course it. You're a mover and shaker.
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Amanda Hirsch
I need a moment. I need a moment. Okay, so on apps, back on. Wait, did you get the confirmation?
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Matt Rogers
Not yet, but I'm excited.
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Amanda Hirsch
Did you take her contact info? Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Well, did I? I. Oh, you know what? I. You know what happened? I told her to like DM me and then I didn't check, so hopefully I didn't miss.
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Amanda Hirsch
You're like, babe, you're not in the primary box. I'm not gonna see it. Sorry. Be honest, man. I really want to be honest. You're like, can't see it. I have so many messages.
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Matt Rogers
Honestly, I'll check the general and do.
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Amanda Hirsch
You have a blue check mark? If not, I'm not gonna see it.
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Matt Rogers
You know, as someone high up at Tinder. Get a blue check mark. It's not that hard.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, Natasha, but I have a question for you.
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Matt Rogers
Uh huh.
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Amanda Hirsch
Do you date in the industry?
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Matt Rogers
You know, it's come up now where it's like I get a little intimidated by Guy. Okay. So there's been a couple times where I've felt like a vibe with someone that's, you know, a thing.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
And I get a little nervous about it just because. Especially after the last situation, which that guy Wasn't famous or anything, but he had like an issue with the public of it all. I was like, I don't know if that's something I would want people talking about.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, who you're dating. Yeah, I mean, if you and Jonathan Bailey were a hot couple, you wouldn't want people talking about it.
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Matt Rogers
I mean, I would. I would probably throw most rules I have for myself out. You're like, okay, like, I can't. I can't say the name on air. But like, I will tell you, you can, you can blur this out. Yeah, like, okay, but like, I met him and I was like, huh, he's even cuter in person than he was. And I've wait.
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Amanda Hirsch
And there was a vibe, you know.
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Matt Rogers
There was enough of a thing where it was like, like an arm touch here and there and then numbers exchange where I was like, what's happening?
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Amanda Hirsch
I was like, wait, do I want.
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Matt Rogers
To ruin my life with this person? Yeah, it's really the question you have.
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Amanda Hirsch
But why, but why does your mind jump to negative, negative thoughts?
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Matt Rogers
I think like, you know, self esteem is hard, you know what I'm saying?
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Amanda Hirsch
But like, I think that be more positive about it 100%.
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Matt Rogers
Like, that is something so easy to say to someone else and you know it.
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Amanda Hirsch
Be positive, babe.
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Matt Rogers
You know, I.
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Amanda Hirsch
Well, you know, I'm married for 100 years. My husband literally picked me up at a chickadee. A chickadee? No, I was. I was 22 years old. So, like, I have no experience in the real world. So I just like, can say whatever I want.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
And I wish I could. Like, I. I didn't have dates. I didn't do any of that.
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Matt Rogers
This does make you an incredible wing woman because you have all this pent up energy.
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Amanda Hirsch
No, I'm like, ready to go. I'm like, show me your app. How do you sweat? You know, just like a hundred. Swipe 100.
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Matt Rogers
Really easy.
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Amanda Hirsch
107 years old. But as. I'm not even saying you don't need dating experience for this, but any situation, if you're going into it being like, this is gonna ruin my life instead of, this could be so cute.
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Matt Rogers
No, I. Here's the thing. It's equal parts. I live in a theme park in my mind, and I'm like, what if we kissed? And I'm just like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, what if he's the prince of my heart? You know what I mean? Like, but I've done that so many times and paid the price. Like, I'M telling you, this last guy.
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Amanda Hirsch
I met, I feel like you are wishing for an opposite story. Then are you wishing for, like, meeting someone, not thinking he's that cute, Then maybe it turning into something, you finding out his personality is great. Like, is that what you think?
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Matt Rogers
What I wish is for me to be in a Kate Hudson movie. That's what I wish. What I wish is, like, all the things, you know what I mean? I wish for, like, romance. Like I'm a Pisces. Pisces Cancer.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, do you know that I'm having dinner tonight with one of my friends who's in the commune?
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Matt Rogers
Uhhuh.
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Amanda Hirsch
And I just feel like he would have someone for you.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah.
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Amanda Hirsch
Because he has a thousand. Like, do you run in a gaggle of gays? Well, okay, I have a gag. You guys have gaggles.
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Matt Rogers
Like, we have gaggles, but we also are one.
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Amanda Hirsch
So many friends.
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Matt Rogers
We all know each other.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. So if you're around a lot.
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Matt Rogers
I'm 34. Once you're around a long enough.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Which I. That is firmly long enough. It was long enough 10 years ago.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Like, now it's like, it's kind of.
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Amanda Hirsch
Annoying because you do know everyone, and everyone's connected to someone or they were with someone.
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Matt Rogers
Which is why the LA and New York thing I think, is. Is both annoying and also exists is because it's like, it's annoying because you bounce back and forth and, like, you decide, like, oh, I want to hang out with these gays. No, never mind. I want to hang out with these gays. No matter where you go. Like, the web has been weaved.
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Amanda Hirsch
The web has been weaved.
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Matt Rogers
You know what I'm saying?
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Amanda Hirsch
I got you.
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Matt Rogers
It's like, you talk to one guy, someone taps on your shoulder, tap, tap, tap. Just so you know, Joel, him and he said, like, you know what I mean? Like, and I don't like that.
- [19:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, I kind of like, you want a fresh slate.
- [19:38]
Matt Rogers
I want my person to be like, my person.
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Amanda Hirsch
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- [24:12]
Matt Rogers
Listen.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, like, literally the rides, I love the Disney's.
- [24:17]
Matt Rogers
No. Okay, so, so my thing is, like, I like to go on about a metric ton of mushrooms and like fuck around and find out like I've done.
- [24:25]
Amanda Hirsch
At a theme park.
- [24:26]
Matt Rogers
I've done half a tab of asset at Disneyland.
- [24:29]
Amanda Hirsch
You could jump out of a fucking roller coaster, Matt. You're taking the risk as long as.
- [24:34]
Matt Rogers
You roll when you hit the ground.
- [24:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, that is like, oh, my God, I'm 100. Like, I know, but like, don't you think you could be like, I'm flying for real?
- [24:44]
Matt Rogers
I mean, no, that would be a full tab.
- [24:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay.
- [24:46]
Matt Rogers
I wouldn't go that far. Amanda.
- [24:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, so a thousand mushrooms.
- [24:50]
Matt Rogers
This is like my new publicist, by the way. She's like What? Like, it's so funny. Okay, we're getting a thumbs up. They know who I am.
- [24:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [24:59]
Matt Rogers
Every single. Almost every single night. This is pathological.
- [25:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [25:02]
Matt Rogers
I have a very sick disease that they don't know what it is. Where every night, part of my dream, at least part takes place in a theme park or amusement park. And I. They don't know what it is. I've been to.
- [25:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you dead eyes Right now I'm deadass.
- [25:16]
Matt Rogers
I sat down with my therapist and been like.
- [25:18]
Amanda Hirsch
So there is this thing. Yeah.
- [25:20]
Matt Rogers
Where sometimes I'll go to a. I'll go to a theme park in my mind and just wait on the line the whole time. My dreams aren't even fun. I wait on lines and then when I get on the ride, I wake up. Isn't that stupid?
- [25:32]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it's so dumb.
- [25:33]
Matt Rogers
I mean, I'm like trying to meet guys. I'm like, like, come on, they're gonna watch.
- [25:37]
Amanda Hirsch
So what theme park is your fav.
- [25:39]
Matt Rogers
I mean, I like a Disneyland. I like a Universal Studio.
- [25:42]
Amanda Hirsch
You like when it's more than. Because a Six Flags is just like rides.
- [25:45]
Matt Rogers
Well, now that. Now that, like, I'm not like 6 years old. If you go on one of those, like, cuckoo crazy Six Flags roller coasters, like, you'll die. I went on a date to six.
- [25:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Was the one that was like this because I used to go on it so much. You remember the 90°1, like, where not kamikaze, like King Jakob.
- [26:06]
Matt Rogers
They're taking it down.
- [26:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Why do people die?
- [26:08]
Matt Rogers
It's like about to fall apart. No, I just went on it like, I have to tell you, I went on a date to Six Flags because the guy told me. The guy told me. He's like, I love roller coasters. And I go, bingo. I know how to impress this guy. I'm gonna take us to Six Flags Fright Fest. We'll go for three hours, come back to the city, we'll go do a couple roller coasters.
- [26:26]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I need to know the whole thing. I got. You got a car.
- [26:30]
Matt Rogers
I was like flexing. I was like. I liked this guy.
- [26:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Would you get like a. Like a black car?
- [26:34]
Matt Rogers
I got a black car to pick us up from. From my place in Long Island City to Great Adventure. So stupid. So I don't know what I was on. Half a tab of acid. No, not that day. But anyway, I go all the way out to fucking Six Plays Great Adventure. We do a couple of these roller coasters. We do Kingda Ka.
- [26:49]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I'm dead afterwards.
- [26:50]
Matt Rogers
My body shut Down. I felt like I had, like. Like all my. All my organs were failing. And I was like. And then we get in the car, and he's talking, like, having a conversation. And I go to him. I'm so sorry. I have to go to sleep.
- [27:04]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I fell asleep. You shut off.
- [27:06]
Matt Rogers
And then he sent me a text two days later. Hey, Matt. So on our first date, I had a lot of fun. And our second date was also great, even if I got a little drunk. But the third date, when you took me to Six Flags, I just wanted you to know that it made me feel really sad when you fell asleep on the way home. So I'm not interested anymore.
- [27:24]
Amanda Hirsch
My God.
- [27:24]
Matt Rogers
He's like, I think you're a great guy. And I was like, you know, it's disappointing for several reasons. One, I thought he was nice. Two, it's hard to get that text. And three, my body can't handle the coasters.
- [27:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God. But you know what? When you just said that, I feel like that would happen to me.
- [27:40]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [27:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, I feel like it's so much on your body like that. Because it goes up and it goes down.
- [27:47]
Matt Rogers
Let the kids do it.
- [27:48]
Amanda Hirsch
I did kingda ka so many times in a row, you guys, that I found out where the camera was so I could start taking a good pick.
- [27:55]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, yeah. So you can start serving.
- [27:56]
Amanda Hirsch
You said I could start being like, like, at the top of the thing. Do you die?
- [28:00]
Matt Rogers
I die. You ever go on a nitro? Is the best? Because. Okay, so. This is so fucking stupid. You go on nitro. You go in the front row, all the way to the left. There's a moment where the camera, like, is, like, right there at the bottom of the first drop. What you have to do is wrap your leg around the thing and, like, hold it and give that. You look like you're on the COVID of Variety, Young Hollywood issue.
- [28:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Why? Because it's, like, blowing.
- [28:24]
Matt Rogers
So we tell Dana, but I swear to God.
- [28:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait. Nitro. Six Flags.
- [28:28]
Matt Rogers
Nitro. Six Flags. At the bottom of the first.
- [28:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, when was this?
- [28:31]
Matt Rogers
You swing your leg around. You sort of arch your back and give. Like, just give. Annie Leibovitz. Could never. Could never.
- [28:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, when was this date? How long ago?
- [28:42]
Matt Rogers
I guess it was Fright Fest time. So it was September, October, when it got a little spooky.
- [28:47]
Amanda Hirsch
No. I can't believe. This was, like, three months. This isn't even an old story.
- [28:51]
Matt Rogers
This is a no. Here's the thing.
- [28:54]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm out here and now they're the.
- [28:58]
Matt Rogers
Guys be finding out who I am.
- [28:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [29:00]
Matt Rogers
And so then they're like, two dates with him is good. I him.
- [29:03]
Amanda Hirsch
That's not true. You did fall. I feel like the falling asleep, like, he wanted to chat. The whole way back.
- [29:10]
Matt Rogers
He was being really chatty. Okay, so we also smoked a little weed.
- [29:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God.
- [29:15]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. No, I. I'm like, no, you're.
- [29:17]
Amanda Hirsch
You're in euphoria.
- [29:19]
Matt Rogers
I. So basically, yeah, I'm in euphoria. Like, me. That's my euphoria. Middle, like mid-30s six flags, smoking a little weed and having a breakdown after a roller coaster. That's my euphoria. Like, cool. But anyway, like, for me, that's. He got really chatty. Like, he got really chatty. And I got very, like, in the phone trying to book the black car on the way home. I'm like, yeah, just having done kindergarten. And then he said like three or four times in a row. Like, so when do you think it's going to come pick us up? And I literally, at the end of the fourth time he said it, I literally, I was done, cuz Kot took it all out of me. I go, I have to tell you something. You've said. You've asked that four times.
- [30:00]
Amanda Hirsch
You said that.
- [30:01]
Matt Rogers
I don't care.
- [30:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, I have a question. You're standing in the parking lot. Like, I need to picture this scenario. Because if you're standing in the parking lot waiting for this black car, it's sounds like, like I'm. I'm. And him being like, when is it coming? When is it coming?
- [30:15]
Matt Rogers
Let me make even more hell yeah. So we weren't standing in the parking lot. And I want to remind you, it's Fried Fest. So I'm standing in like the town square of Six Flags, like, trying to book this, and spooky ghouls are coming up. Like, just like, please. Like, I'm like, rode hard and put away wet backing the car. This guy won't shut the up. Oh, my God. I couldn't be less horny. My dick is inverted. And I'm like. And then spooky ghoul number six is coming up. Like, wow. And I'm like, you're doing great. Like, I get it. This is your job. Like, off.
- [30:46]
Amanda Hirsch
I can't.
- [30:47]
Matt Rogers
It's midnight and a half.
- [30:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Was a drive back an hour and a half. Like.
- [30:51]
Matt Rogers
And I. But I got some shut eye. I said, when I'm out.
- [30:55]
Amanda Hirsch
So you already decided at the. When is the car coming? You're done with him? Because if it was, you wouldn't have fallen Asleep.
- [31:01]
Matt Rogers
No, no, no, no.
- [31:02]
Amanda Hirsch
Put toothpicks in your eyes.
- [31:04]
Matt Rogers
Here's the thing. It's like, with certain people, but then also it's like I have to clock, like the romantic part of me that does do the thing where it's like, I will create who a person is before I really meet them. And I'm like, you met this person twice? And I've DMed and texted now a few times, like, you don't know them. Like, stop doing that because ultimately everyone will disappoint you a little bit.
- [31:28]
Amanda Hirsch
No. This story is so good. Do you worry that this guy who shot to be named Shawn will like, go around being like. So I went on a date with my Rogers, you know him, and he took me to Six Flags and like, fell asleep.
- [31:41]
Matt Rogers
I would not. Now I've learned my lesson about that.
- [31:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [31:43]
Matt Rogers
And life is about learning. But I actually thought my intentions were so good about the Six Flag.
- [31:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. It was cute. He might say it in a cute way.
- [31:50]
Matt Rogers
Like he said one of his interests. And I was like. And I was like, I want. I was like, I want to do that with you. That will be fun. And like, we had had two good dates and then so we went on like this third thing and we had already, like had great sex and everything. Like it was feeling like we could.
- [32:06]
Amanda Hirsch
Do something like this, but it ended because of that. That seems silly.
- [32:10]
Matt Rogers
I think he just. Well, can I also say. Yeah, after that, after that interaction, like in the town square with the ghoul. I wasn't interested.
- [32:19]
Amanda Hirsch
You were. You were.
- [32:20]
Matt Rogers
I was like, I had. Ick.
- [32:21]
Amanda Hirsch
You also like, order the car then?
- [32:23]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, I was like. Cuz he wouldn't shut the up.
- [32:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [32:26]
Matt Rogers
And that's like rich coming from me. But like. But like, no, you need it. If I'm saying, like, there's a problem that someone won't shut the fuck up. Like you have a pathological disease.
- [32:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [32:38]
Matt Rogers
They don't know what it is.
- [32:38]
Amanda Hirsch
But maybe you're also looking for someone quiet. Cause you're the like, star.
- [32:43]
Matt Rogers
Certainly I need like, someone who's not as a killing Michelle. Like, for example, this is how much cold brew I've had.
- [32:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [32:51]
Matt Rogers
I don't know if you notice. I'm a killing machine. I'm like Scarlett Johansson and Lucy. Have you seen that? Where she uses like 99 of her brain and can move with her mind?
- [32:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh my God. No, I haven't.
- [32:59]
Matt Rogers
She becomes a hard drive at the end. Spoiler.
- [33:01]
Amanda Hirsch
She should. Her body turns out, don't you think?
- [33:04]
Matt Rogers
I mean, she is has she taken a break?
- [33:05]
Amanda Hirsch
I mean, she's like, very into the skincare.
- [33:07]
Matt Rogers
You look like her.
- [33:08]
Amanda Hirsch
I used to get that.
- [33:10]
Matt Rogers
You're getting it today again and again.
- [33:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Thank you. I'll take it as a comp.
- [33:15]
Matt Rogers
You absolutely should.
- [33:16]
Amanda Hirsch
But she. Yeah, it's like, I get that celebs are doing brands and I get it and I'm happy for them.
- [33:22]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [33:22]
Amanda Hirsch
But I feel like it's like, do it side, like, don't make it your whole thing.
- [33:26]
Matt Rogers
You know, you have to imagine, like the marvel of it all has to take it out of some of them. Like, I think that might be the thing with her is it's like, y'all, I have been working as the black widow for so fucking long.
- [33:39]
Amanda Hirsch
So you think she rather fucking sell skincare?
- [33:42]
Matt Rogers
I think at a certain moment, they all would rather sell skincare.
- [33:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. I mean, listen, acting is hard. Acting, I will always say, because I had that one day. Or do you remember that one day is an extra.
- [33:55]
Matt Rogers
What'd you do again? Where did you appear?
- [33:57]
Amanda Hirsch
So Amy Schumer, love was on the pod and she was doing this movie called Kind of Pregnant. It's coming out, by the way, in like February. And she was like, you're pregnant, you should come on for a day. And I was like, I am a star. I went. I went, okay. She was so sweet to me and made me feel like I was a star, but I was literally about an extra. But, like, she made me feel like touch ups. I'm like, why is there to. I'm in the background. Like, I don't need the touch up. I'm going to be like, fuzzy. But I thought it would be such a funny story to be like, look at me behind the leaves.
- [34:25]
Matt Rogers
There's background six.
- [34:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Spoiler alert. They come. I seen no where. And I literally. And I literally said to her, like, it was the pivotal moment of the movie. Like, how did you got it? But I know now and I feel like I needed to do this for research since I interview actors and stuff. It took 12 hours for whatever the. I did.
- [34:47]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [34:48]
Amanda Hirsch
It was a whole day. It was cold. And it wasn't like. Because I was like, Amy was in the same situation. Meaning, like, people don't get that even if you are Scarlett Johansson. Yeah. You're cold outside somewhere.
- [35:00]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. I mean.
- [35:01]
Amanda Hirsch
And you know, it is a.
- [35:03]
Matt Rogers
It's a lot of time and energy.
- [35:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [35:06]
Matt Rogers
But the thing is, like, sometimes I. I get a little self conscious about it because people out there that are like fully nurses and teachers and covered in Poop and shit are like, you're.
- [35:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, I have to wait in my trailer for three hours.
- [35:16]
Matt Rogers
Like I had to read my book so much longer than I would have liked to.
- [35:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [35:20]
Matt Rogers
You're like. But there is. When you're like asked to be. Because when you're acting, it's like you're asked to like do your emotions on camera and whatever it's. And be natural at the drop of a hat. And also da, da, da. So there is like a lot of like management going on with your energy. And they are long days.
- [35:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Long days. It could be like 4am you're shooting a scene.
- [35:43]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. So of course, like relatively like, is it hard? No. But is it hard? Yeah, yeah. Especially for the lead of those big movies like that. Like Scarlett Johansson has been consistently working as an actress and she was like.
- [35:56]
Amanda Hirsch
Are you going to make me feel bad about the skin care?
- [35:58]
Matt Rogers
No, no, no. What I'm saying is like the skin care, who knows? That's probably a lot of hard work too. And she's a mom, you know, she's out there, but she like, was she. She doesn't just do those Marvel, but she does like all these other fucking movies. Like at a certain point you gotta just get like tired.
- [36:14]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. It is tiring because it's like project after project.
- [36:17]
Matt Rogers
And for actresses too, like, you have to like, it's. The bar is so high in terms of being beautiful and gorgeous. Especially when I would imagine for her, like you're like the epitome of what it means to be a movie star. Beautiful, glam.
- [36:31]
Amanda Hirsch
I look like her. Thank you. I'm gonna ride this.
- [36:33]
Matt Rogers
You do look like her.
- [36:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Let's talk about your new thing, your new show. No good deed. Okay. Realtor.
- [36:39]
Matt Rogers
This is gonna be. Okay, wait, this.
- [36:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, I saw a little sneak peek. It is star studding.
- [36:44]
Matt Rogers
It actually is.
- [36:45]
Amanda Hirsch
How did that feel to be part of that?
- [36:47]
Matt Rogers
Good.
- [36:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [36:48]
Matt Rogers
Honestly, like I got the audition for it and it's one of those editions that you see and you're like, oh, God, like this is gonna make me sad when I don't get it. You know what I mean?
- [36:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Like again, you're positive. Positive Penny over.
- [37:00]
Matt Rogers
Well. Yeah, well, well, because. Because again, it's like half right. It's like I. I get the audition and immediately I like seeing myself winning the Emmy for it. I'm like, well, that's it. That's going to change my career.
- [37:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [37:10]
Matt Rogers
And I'm going to be best friends with everyone on set and it's going to be amazing experience. And I'M going to do the next project. They all do. They're going to ask me to be involved in everything going forward. And then you also, at the same token, are like, well, the thing is, I'm a bad actor and I'll never book this. I don't even know why I have an agent. Like, I'll get on set and embarrass myself, I'll forget my lines, everyone's going to hate me, etc.
- [37:28]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [37:29]
Matt Rogers
So, like, I have both.
- [37:30]
Amanda Hirsch
It's probably healthy in some way to have a little bit of both.
- [37:33]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, it's the devil and the Angel. You know what I mean? It's. It's that. But with this particular thing I had worked with. So the casting director had put me in a show called I Love that for you with Vanessa Bayer and Molly Shannon. It was on Showtime. Really fun show that only lasted one season, which was a bummer. But I had this good relationship. And so she was casting the show. And I saw on the audition that Liz Feldman, who created Dead to Me that show ever was gonna be in the audition. And I was like, oh, that's a really good sign that she would take her time. Maybe they're are actually wanting me to do.
- [38:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, maybe it was written for me.
- [38:10]
Matt Rogers
It wasn't just like a random thing.
- [38:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [38:12]
Matt Rogers
So the audition I did on Zoom in my bathroom in Long Island City because it was 5:30pm in the winter, and I was like, oh, my God, I have no good lighting. And so then I was like, you.
- [38:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Don'T have a ring?
- [38:25]
Matt Rogers
Not in New York.
- [38:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Only in La Bicoastal problems.
- [38:29]
Matt Rogers
So I need two ring lights. I should have come in here.
- [38:33]
Amanda Hirsch
But, like, you go in your bathroom.
- [38:35]
Matt Rogers
But then I guess I was like, well, I guess you have to make it a joke, right? So I'm in my bathroom, bad bathroom tile everywhere. Like, and I just start being like, I'm in my bathroom, like, sorry. Like, and then we do the scene as like a bathroom acoustics on zoom. And afterward, like.
- [38:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Like bad reception because it's like in a bathroom.
- [38:56]
Matt Rogers
And then they go, well, now we'll do an improvised thing. And I was like, okay, so improvising on zoom in my bathroom, like. And also I had to. I had. There was an action. I think I can't do it because it's a spoiler. It's a really fun episode of the show. But I had to do a certain action again and again and again. So, like, miming. Yeah, it's just like, you really have to suspend your disbelief to like, stand by yourself in the bathroom, like, and doing, like a scene. But I did book.
- [39:23]
Amanda Hirsch
Did you record it?
- [39:25]
Matt Rogers
They have it. Oh, they have. I don't have it recorded.
- [39:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God, I would die.
- [39:28]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, they should release the. Release the footage.
- [39:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, by the way, wouldn't it be funny? Because there are a lot of actor stories now of getting roles after having these, like, funny, zoom auditions.
- [39:40]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, right. They're all on zoom.
- [39:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Right, right. But like, funny like yours, like, in the bathroom or whatever. And I'm like, imagine actors think that that's like the way you can get it. So they start putting themselves in, like, weird.
- [39:52]
Matt Rogers
They're like, oh, God, I'm in my tub. I'm nude. It's like, sorry, guys. The only time I could do was when I had to take a bath. It's like, I think people can smell.
- [40:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Wouldn't that be so funny, though? Because imagine, like, sitting at your desk like a little loser with the ring light. You're not getting it. You're not getting it that way. You know what I mean? If you're set up at your desk with the ring light.
- [40:11]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [40:12]
Amanda Hirsch
And, like, perfect background. Oh, my God.
- [40:15]
Matt Rogers
No, that's the thing is, it's like, I have tried. I have put myself together studio to do it, and then the one thing where I'm like, like a hapless victim of my circumst.
- [40:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [40:24]
Matt Rogers
Like, hi, I'm in the bathroom. It sucks. I book.
- [40:27]
Amanda Hirsch
And so, like, don't you feel like. I feel like this character of this, like, realtor was made for you because you're super, like, punny.
- [40:35]
Matt Rogers
I. You know what's funny?
- [40:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Did you make up the puns for this?
- [40:38]
Matt Rogers
I actually. You know what's funny? Like, they. I think one of the reasons why I got the part is because Liz, who's the creator, just so happens to be one of those people who, like, really likes when people can improvise. And because she comes from the real straight up comedy world, she's like a real comedian. And I came up through, like, UCB and doing like, you know, comedy in basements in New York City all throughout my 20s, like, truly waiting tables, like, having like a thousand dollars in my bank account so I could, like, pay my 800 rent and like, maybe some money left over to save up for a UCB class till I was like 28, 29. So I have that experience of being able to do improv on set.
- [41:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [41:21]
Matt Rogers
And so a lot of the stuff they kept in the show was my improv. And she was very Encouraging of it.
- [41:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, so were some of the puns yours?
- [41:26]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of them.
- [41:28]
Amanda Hirsch
I can't even think of any right now, but there were so many where I was like, oh, man, I'm dying. Oh, my God, I'm dying. Oh, my God, I'm dying.
- [41:33]
Matt Rogers
And you know what? I don't even consider myself, like, a punny person, but there was opportunities where I was like, well, there's one, you.
- [41:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Know, and they rolled with them. They're in the show.
- [41:41]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. No, it's funny.
- [41:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Cast is crazy.
- [41:44]
Matt Rogers
You, Lisa, Ray Romano, Lisa Kudro, Linda Cardellini. Give me a break.
- [41:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Love her. With Shane from the L Word, huh?
- [41:53]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
- [41:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Shane.
- [41:54]
Matt Rogers
Yes. No. And also, Luke Wilson is in the show.
- [41:57]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. It's, like, looking good, which is annoying. Okay. Ag.
- [42:01]
Matt Rogers
Better at the table, reads in person. I have to tell you, no. Movie star. Movie star. You forget.
- [42:05]
Amanda Hirsch
You forget.
- [42:06]
Matt Rogers
I don't like sitting there in such a nice.
- [42:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Another one aging well.
- [42:10]
Matt Rogers
Oh, yeah. Like. And also nice, like, turns to me, hey, that was really funny, man. That was really fun. I was just like, you know, it's Luke Wilson. It's like the super smash brothers of television. Bowen Yang said that. I was like, that's such a funny way to put it, because it's so.
- [42:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Many random TV shows, and they all came together.
- [42:27]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [42:28]
Amanda Hirsch
But it, like, fits. Like, Ray Romano, Lisa Kudrow is. This couple is just perfect.
- [42:33]
Matt Rogers
They're such a good match. Yeah, right. Like, and it's. It's weird that they. They had never even met before this, which I thought was so funny because they're both, like, 90s sitcom icons, but they're so perfect together. And. Yeah. So the show is like, they play a couple that's, like, selling their really beautiful home in Los Feliz to all these different couples who are.
- [42:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, and Abby Jacobson, too.
- [42:53]
Matt Rogers
Abby Jacobson.
- [42:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Amazing.
- [42:55]
Matt Rogers
Teyana Paris from WandaVision. Like, who? I. I loved WandaVision, so that was so fun. But they. All the couples want to buy the house, and no one knows the reason it's being sold is because something, like, very fucked up and dark happened there. And I'm the realtor who's, like, dealing with everyone.
- [43:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah.
- [43:12]
Matt Rogers
Who gets into it.
- [43:13]
Amanda Hirsch
No, it's so good. You gu. It's on Netflix. When does it come out?
- [43:15]
Matt Rogers
December 12th.
- [43:16]
Amanda Hirsch
December 12th.
- [43:17]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [43:17]
Amanda Hirsch
And when you got it, what was. How'd you feel?
- [43:19]
Matt Rogers
I was ecstatic. Yeah, I was. I was on tour, actually was in Chicago because I was doing my tour, my Christmas tour last year, and I was in the middle of tech and I was like running my stuff and I got the call and it was. I just knew the fun role that I really wanted, that it had gone the one way. I was like, like, yes. Because you know, you. I auditioned for so many things and don't get them.
- [43:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [43:46]
Matt Rogers
Like, and so just to know that there was going to be something that was like not only just like work, but also a fun role that I was gonna get to like actually have fun with that they couldn't cut because I knew it was an important part.
- [43:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you have that thought though? Yeah, because people don't get it. Like gets cut after you were like in it. You were. That's. It's a wild industry.
- [44:07]
Matt Rogers
Like I'm in a net. I'm in another movie that's coming out in Netflix next year with Seth Rogen, Kik Palmer, Keanu Reeves, and as least Ansari. And they can absolutely cut my part and I'm really hoping they don't, but they can, they can. So I'll like go to the premiere and like eight, eight foot gown, like serving, like, like giving like it's Valentino, it's Hesito Schiaparelli. And then I'll sit down in the seat like it's not my train and they'll cut the whole part.
- [44:35]
Amanda Hirsch
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- [48:46]
Matt Rogers
Because I will do. I will work if they offer it.
- [48:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [48:50]
Matt Rogers
Like I, I like I said like all throughout my 20s, like never thinking I had a future in any of it. Like, but so being like, okay, like I'm gonna try to be good at everything so that when something comes up, I'll be ready. Podcast was a mistake.
- [49:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Podcaster, singer.
- [49:06]
Matt Rogers
I felt the, the. This. The album was a mistake. The album was a joke. I literally, in 2017, was watching an interview with Mariah Carey, who I love.
- [49:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [49:16]
Matt Rogers
And she was like, that was really when she started the Queen of Christmas.
- [49:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [49:20]
Matt Rogers
Like, it became like a. She like re industryfied that thing.
- [49:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah.
- [49:25]
Matt Rogers
Like at a certain point. And the interviewer was like, that's a lot of money every year. And I just thought that was so funny that she just fully said that flat out, like, it's about money.
- [49:34]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [49:35]
Matt Rogers
Because the Christmas album thing, like these pop stars don't all fucking die for Christmas. They want to make more money.
- [49:40]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, do you die for Christmas?
- [49:42]
Matt Rogers
I mean, enough. Yeah, but that was the point.
- [49:45]
Amanda Hirsch
That's the joke.
- [49:46]
Matt Rogers
Yes. I was like, oh, and I'm like 27 years old. I. I was, I think I had just gotten my manager. It was like early days in my like, career. And I was like, I'm gonna put up a one man show and it's gonna be my Christmas album. And my, my whole bit is that I'm the prince of Christmas and now I'm a Christmas industry. And my album is called have you heard of Christmas?
- [50:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. Yeah.
- [50:06]
Matt Rogers
And the joke was it was not real.
- [50:10]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
- [50:10]
Matt Rogers
And then like, it became enough of a thing over time. Kind of like everything I've done, like the podcast was a joke. That's why it's called Las Culturistas, because it wasn't supposed to be a thing. And then over time it like became a thing. So to the point where like stumble.
- [50:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Upon this like awesome life that you have Matt Rogers, no problem.
- [50:28]
Matt Rogers
I. I mean, I guess, like, that is, like, the kind of lesson is. It's like, if you go at things with, like, fun and good intentions, like, they might just surprise you. Because years later, I did actually release the album, and I do have a special. And now I am touring it, and it's called the Prince of Christmas Tour. And people come every year and they know the words to my songs.
- [50:47]
Amanda Hirsch
So this is all you singing?
- [50:49]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [50:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, that's the whole show. You.
- [50:51]
Matt Rogers
Well, that's another thing is. Turns out I actually was first.
- [50:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Turns out you didn't know before.
- [50:57]
Matt Rogers
No, I didn't start out. Like, I'm telling you, everything is pretend. Like, every. It was all, like, me in college being like, I wonder if I could, you know, do that because.
- [51:08]
Amanda Hirsch
But did you do musical theater ever?
- [51:09]
Matt Rogers
No. Never?
- [51:10]
Amanda Hirsch
No, no.
- [51:12]
Matt Rogers
When I was in college, I was in one musical show, but it was like a fluke. It was like, you know, I did it because it was more sketch comedy based and there was singing involved. And then I remember I was at my first, like, music rehearsal. I had never done that before. And the way that the musical director, like, got us all, like, to relax was she sang something on the piano, and she was like, we're gonna go around the room and everyone's gonna sing that. And it was like this big, kind of belty vocal moment. And I was surrounded by these people who could really sing.
- [51:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [51:45]
Matt Rogers
And so what I said in my head was, I was like, well, I'll just, like, pretend I'm them.
- [51:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [51:50]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. You know what I mean? I'll just, like, copy them.
- [51:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [51:53]
Matt Rogers
And so I copied them. And then everyone turned to me and was like, that was great. And I was like, oh, I was just doing what you guys were doing. And then they were like, okay, great, so we'll give you this vocal part. And I was like, oh, they think I can do this.
- [52:07]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God.
- [52:07]
Matt Rogers
And then from them thinking it.
- [52:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [52:10]
Matt Rogers
I was like, can I do this?
- [52:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [52:12]
Matt Rogers
And then I started to, like. I took a vocal lesson, and the. That guy was like, you can do this.
- [52:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Wow.
- [52:19]
Matt Rogers
And then it became a thing where I incorporated it more into my comedy to the point where I actually. Actually, like, became a singer by the end of my twenties.
- [52:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Would you sing?
- [52:28]
Matt Rogers
Not as a joke now I kind of do.
- [52:31]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. But, like, this Christmas album, when you wrote it was kind of jokesy.
- [52:35]
Matt Rogers
Absolutely. If you listen to it, I have a song which is, like, about how Santa has to lube up the presents to fit in the Bag because there's so many to give to all the kids. And why does he have so much lube at the house? Like, that's like one of my. That was like, what I wrote as, like, well, we're doing this, but, like, it's a joke.
- [52:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [52:52]
Matt Rogers
And then later on, it was like, now I actually write music that I actually, you know, are born from my experiences. It's been really nice because, like.
- [53:01]
Amanda Hirsch
So are you gonna come out with, like, a. A non Christmas album?
- [53:03]
Matt Rogers
Maybe one day.
- [53:04]
Amanda Hirsch
Maybe one day.
- [53:05]
Matt Rogers
One day. I mean, I love it. I actually love it more than I love the other stuff. I love acting. I really. I. I used to do a lot more stand up. Now I've kind of transitioned out of that. I love the podcast. I love all this stuff. There's nothing that gets me more excited than singing, performing my music. Yeah.
- [53:24]
Amanda Hirsch
It is crazy because singing, like, whenever I hear a good singer sing with the motion, I'm like, that's really a talent you'd want to have.
- [53:33]
Matt Rogers
You know what?
- [53:33]
Amanda Hirsch
You could get so much out.
- [53:35]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [53:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Of yourself, and, like, it's probably so cathartic.
- [53:37]
Matt Rogers
Well, this is why I like it. I saw this Broadway play last night called the Hills of California. It's great. And one of the characters goes, you know what a song is? A song is a place for you to live. And I was like, wow. And she was like, where do you want to live? And she played a song, and it's like, that's true. Like, for three and a half minutes or however long, you just, like, live in that emotion and in that soundscape. And for me, I think, like, being a little kid who, like, needed my little escapes because I was in my head, like, with the secret of me being gay or whatever, not super comfortable with my surroundings and having that thing of, like, being a really imaginative kid, the type of person who dreams in theme parkland. I really appreciate that sentiment of for just a second, you can, like, be somebody else, provide that experience for everyone. Because live music is my number one favorite thing, I think, because it's like an excuse to live in 15 or 16 different worlds or one collective, different world based on what the artist is presenting. And I think that's really beautiful. I think that's really creative and fun and beautiful.
- [54:46]
Amanda Hirsch
You're a triple threat, Matt. I can't deal with you. I get triple threat. Singer, actor, podcast. We love it. Well, wait, so tell me how that happened. By mistake. As a joke.
- [54:58]
Matt Rogers
Literally. Like, yeah. Bowen goes. So they want me to do a podcast. Like, do you Want to do it with me? I was like, for sure. And then it was. We were 26. It was. It was March 2016. And BOM was like, what should it be? And he started coming up with this concept for like a choose your own adventure podcast where you'd listen to one episode and like, choose at the end what kind of episode should be the second one, and then we'd record two. And I was like, this is such a typical bow and yang idea and that it's like, brilliant, but would require, like, a lot. And I was like, what if we just talked about pop culture?
- [55:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [55:32]
Matt Rogers
And he was like, that could work. And he was like, what will we call it? And I was like, I literally. I just turned to him and I was like, las culturistas. And he was like, that's so stupid. Let's do that.
- [55:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, my God.
- [55:43]
Matt Rogers
And I don't think so, honey is our segment. And it was just a bit that.
- [55:47]
Amanda Hirsch
We would do that was from the beginning, which you still do. And you take a minute, right? And it has to say it was.
- [55:52]
Matt Rogers
Like a 60 second rant about something in pop culture that you hate. But it literally was like Bowen and I would just tease each other whenever I thought he was being stupid or I was being stupid. We would just go, I don't think so, honey. No, sweetie. Like, we would just, like go after each other in a stupid way. I was like, and the segment should be called I don't think so, honey. And it's just like your rant about.
- [56:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Something you have, like, Mariah Carey doing. I don't think so, honey. It's wild.
- [56:17]
Matt Rogers
It's so dumb.
- [56:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, you had iconic moments like you crying with Ariana Grande.
- [56:22]
Matt Rogers
I can't help being who I am. It's so bad. I have a fairy sick disease. No one knows where it is. Like, like, I shan't do the things I do. No.
- [56:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Why? But it was so, like. But did you plan, like, I'm going to tell her?
- [56:34]
Matt Rogers
No, I. Can I tell you something? I especially wouldn't have planned to cry had I known that everyone was going to be, like, talking about them crying during the whole press tour and so annoyed by it. I have to tell you, I was. I was on, like, YouTube. Like, I guess I am.
- [56:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Alpha Gen Alpha. Like, who's on YouTube? People are on there.
- [56:54]
Matt Rogers
But, like, literally, like, I don't know how this happened, but this, like, right wing podcast popped up. Like a YouTube podcast where the girl was like, we need to talk about the emotional dysregulation of Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande. Why are they crying in every single podcast? It's disgusting. These women are sick. And then she's. They're going through all the podcasts and like, showing them crying and being like they're mentally ill. Like, it's wicked. It's witches. And then they start to show the clip of our podcast. And I turned it off. I was like, I can't handle it. No, but I can't handle the meanest girl in America talking about me this way.
- [57:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, but. Okay, in your defense of the Republican girl singing everyone's disease, which is like, you are. You have the theme park disease. But okay, so, I mean, the whole press tour is funny. When they get emotional over everything, I think it's hilarious. But yours was like a genuine moment of you being like, you're amazing in this. This was meant for you. I'm so happy for you.
- [57:52]
Matt Rogers
Well, she's been through so much. Like, like, people forget like, like there was a full on terrorist attack at her concert where like her teen fans died.
- [58:01]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [58:02]
Matt Rogers
Her Mac Miller, like, passed away of an overdose. Like, she's been through very public stuff, like with like, you know, Pete Davidson and all this stuff. And like, you know, she's just also been famous from a time that was very young. Like, I don't know if you watched that Nickelodeon documentary, but she was in it as a young girl. And like, you see the things they made her do. Like, this girl's like, like been through a lot and I think people are very hard on her. And I think, of course, when you're in the public eye, like, you become a subjective topic for people to discuss and people should be able to have discourse about whatever. Like, I can take issue with how people have it, but, like, yeah, it's fair game. But when I saw the movie and I met her and.
- [58:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Was that your first time meeting her?
- [58:47]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, we had like DM'd because Bowen and her became like, very close friends.
- [58:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, they became very close friends on Wicked. Okay.
- [58:52]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. And Bowen was going through a lot. Like, he was really having like a mental health moment and.
- [58:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, is that when he took the pod break.
- [58:59]
Matt Rogers
A break from the podcast? Just because he was literally flying from London to. To New York to do SNL and Wicked and did not have a break. It was just really a lot. And she was very there for him. And when I saw the movie, I felt like I saw her, like, have this moment that like, made a lot of sense and I was like, that's who she's Supposed to be like, she should be playing Glinda in Wicked.
- [59:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [59:22]
Matt Rogers
And the movie's so good, I can't.
- [59:25]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait to see it.
- [59:25]
Matt Rogers
Oh, you're gonna love it. And Bowen's so great in it. And, like, then I was sitting there with him and he. She means so much to him. And so I was like. I could see her getting emotional, talking about the experience, and I finally was just like. I think what got me over the edge is I was like, it's. It's really lovely to see someone do what they were born to do. And that type of thing does make me emotional.
- [59:48]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
- [59:48]
Matt Rogers
And so I couldn't help it, went to Cry Town, and then suddenly, there it is on camera. And they used it to promote the episode, which I was like, okay, I don't know if we need this.
- [59:59]
Amanda Hirsch
What do you mean they use it? Ariana collab post accepted it. It wasn't only used to promote the episode. It was like.
- [60:06]
Matt Rogers
Well, because it was a good moment. I was like. I was like, yeah, fully use it to promote the episode. That's a good moment. Like, I would watch it if I saw, you know, that it was going to be like, an emotionally rich.
- [60:15]
Amanda Hirsch
And that was fun episode. Like everything else we're seeing too. Like the Defying Gravity moment.
- [60:20]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [60:21]
Amanda Hirsch
What I find so interesting about the Defying Gravity moment, which is hilarious, is that at first I thought I would. They cut out, you know when, like, promos cut out something.
- [60:29]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [60:30]
Amanda Hirsch
So I thought, like, they cut out the part where she tells her what they're holding space for.
- [60:35]
Matt Rogers
No, but it's the full thing. But this is the thing is, it's like, that's how actresses are. You know what I mean? Like, actresses, they do want to be like, we're communicating without communicating. I know. No, I know. Let me hold your pinky. I know, I know. And we are having an experience right now that is.
- [60:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:57]
Matt Rogers
And that's so funny.
- [60:59]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, it's so funny.
- [61:00]
Matt Rogers
I get that it's pervasive and it's everywhere.
- [61:02]
Amanda Hirsch
No, but people are loving it. Like, this is a moment, aside from the hater Republican, but, like, I love moments like this in pop culture that are so niche and so ridiculous.
- [61:12]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [61:12]
Amanda Hirsch
And so, like. No, you're not missing anything. That was it.
- [61:17]
Matt Rogers
Do you know what the funniest press moment ever for me is? Is when Lady Gaga during Star Is Born couldn't stop saying there could be a hundred people in a room.
- [61:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, yes.
- [61:25]
Matt Rogers
But one.
- [61:25]
Amanda Hirsch
One believes you.
- [61:26]
Matt Rogers
And that was Bradley Cooper.
- [61:28]
Amanda Hirsch
I know.
- [61:28]
Matt Rogers
She couldn't stop saying it. And it was like she. It was almost like performance art.
- [61:33]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [61:34]
Matt Rogers
And I think that was so funny.
- [61:36]
Amanda Hirsch
Well, the whole thing was made. We believed they were in love and fucking getting married, which they were, like, playing into first. That's what I'm saying. Like, we. That's why after that, I was like, I'm not going down this road again of falling for this. They won't do this to us again. They won't look at each other playing the piano, and we're gonna be like, oh, they're in love. Like, I've learned.
- [61:55]
Matt Rogers
Brilliant performance of old Hollywood star is born.
- [61:59]
Amanda Hirsch
And we fell for it.
- [62:01]
Matt Rogers
And that was part of selling it. You know what I mean? It was brilliant. And with this, I think, thank God they found a way to, like, serrate and make this. This press tour memorable.
- [62:12]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [62:12]
Matt Rogers
Because we will never forget how much they cried. Like, the image of Ariana, like, waving her hand around her face so she doesn't cry. It's iconic.
- [62:21]
Amanda Hirsch
Iconic. I love it.
- [62:23]
Matt Rogers
And I do adore her.
- [62:25]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. We know. We saw you cry. Okay, a few pop culture questions before you go. And we didn't get to any of this.
- [62:30]
Matt Rogers
Wait, literally, that makes me so sad, because can I tell you, I could sit here for six hours. You. You're like, I can't. I have kids.
- [62:37]
Amanda Hirsch
No, we're not done, Regina. Okay, five minutes.
- [62:41]
Matt Rogers
Shut up.
- [62:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Right?
- [62:43]
Matt Rogers
You're a.
- [62:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Okay. I have a few questions, because you're only five minutes. I know. Part two.
- [62:50]
Matt Rogers
I just said no, literally, I would.
- [62:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Next time you come.
- [62:53]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [62:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. Do you believe Paris Elton doesn't get Botox, which she said on that interview, while her face doesn't move?
- [62:58]
Matt Rogers
No.
- [62:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, but what people straight up lie, Matt.
- [63:02]
Matt Rogers
I think that people. It's not that they lie. They don't tell the truth.
- [63:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. This is what people are thinking, which is so funny. And tell me if this is your thought. People are like, okay, she doesn't get Botox to million, whatever it's called, the full name. She gets dice board. And she's just saying she doesn't get Botox. That's a technicality.
- [63:16]
Matt Rogers
I think it is a technicality. I think that Paris Hilton probably gets something better than we could ever even understand.
- [63:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Right? Like, yeah. And so that's something. Yeah.
- [63:25]
Matt Rogers
Like, she's not gonna Botox like the rest of us.
- [63:27]
Amanda Hirsch
Literally. Like. Like, no, I'm just living. And I'm like, no, I. I finally.
- [63:32]
Matt Rogers
I just got it for the first time this year. I said to my dermatologist. I was like, Listen, I'm 34. Listen, I'm. I'm on camera. What do I need to do?
- [63:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [63:42]
Matt Rogers
He goes to me. Okay. He goes, we're doing like, 15 here. Yeah, here. I have to get it again.
- [63:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Never anything kind of expired. Sorry.
- [63:51]
Matt Rogers
Never. I know. Period.
- [63:54]
Amanda Hirsch
Whoa. What is that upside down? You. Yeah, well, you need it to be an actor.
- [64:00]
Matt Rogers
Here. He said, we can get it. He's like, forehead. Never. He's like, for you, your brows are too thick and flat. Oh, my God.
- [64:07]
Amanda Hirsch
They would be like.
- [64:08]
Matt Rogers
They would be like this. They would be like, bert, hey, I'm an actress.
- [64:11]
Amanda Hirsch
No. It's so true. By the way, when I've gotten it, what I've noticed about myself that's different. Is it? Because, like, my eyebrows can be, like, uneven when I talk. But it does. It really makes you symmetrical where it's like. Like kind of weird that you're that symmetrical.
- [64:24]
Matt Rogers
I think it would not look good on me.
- [64:27]
Amanda Hirsch
And this.
- [64:28]
Matt Rogers
So I'm. I got 15 here, I think. And he said he loves.
- [64:31]
Amanda Hirsch
No, he loves numbers.
- [64:32]
Matt Rogers
Well, then he goes to me, I was like, what about my eyes? Because my eyes is what I'm, like, kind of self conscious about. And he goes, not Botox, but you're a candidate for a lower blepho.
- [64:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Is that what it's called?
- [64:46]
Matt Rogers
And I go, what? And he goes, a blepharoplasty? No. And I go, what did you say?
- [64:52]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, what is that?
- [64:53]
Matt Rogers
When they film this, it's like. It's essentially like a lower eyelift. And he goes, people your age recover from it very quickly. And I'm like, okay, so now I'm like, literally have lower blepho and two things on my mind. Yeah. And in my vocabulary, please don't do a lower bluff. Oh, well, like, I don't know. Like, he would. He's like, you're a good candidate.
- [65:15]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah. If he. If the doctor said.
- [65:18]
Matt Rogers
I mean. And here's the thing.
- [65:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [65:20]
Matt Rogers
Like, this doctor in particular has been right, like, twice. Because I loved when I got the Botox here. And also a few years ago, doing the lower blood file, I might do it. But if I do it, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna be like Paris Hilton and say, I never get Botox. No way.
- [65:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Here's my lower blood bow.
- [65:39]
Matt Rogers
I'm honest about my rhino.
- [65:41]
Amanda Hirsch
Oh, you did a rhino?
- [65:42]
Matt Rogers
But I had to because I had to get a cyst removed. Again. Looking for a husband.
- [65:46]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I'm just kidding.
- [65:47]
Matt Rogers
He had a cyst. He'll fall asleep after the theme park. He drinks too much cold brew, gets over caffeinated and freaks the out.
- [65:55]
Amanda Hirsch
He didn't finish it yet, but okay. Do you believe Luann hooked up with Hugh Grand? Hugh grand is saying he doesn't remember it.
- [66:01]
Matt Rogers
I think Hugh Grant probably drinks too much.
- [66:04]
Amanda Hirsch
You think? Like, if the first part happened, the second part probably happened, right?
- [66:08]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. No, yeah, he's.
- [66:10]
Amanda Hirsch
He's self proclaimed.
- [66:11]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. No drinks. He is like, Like, I think he said. He was like, yes. I remember a housewife.
- [66:17]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [66:18]
Matt Rogers
And I remember being drunk.
- [66:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [66:20]
Matt Rogers
And I was like, yeah, they probably fully hooked up.
- [66:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [66:23]
Matt Rogers
Luann, you've had her on.
- [66:25]
Amanda Hirsch
You know how we almost hooked up? She was this close to me.
- [66:29]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [66:29]
Amanda Hirsch
Did you see Luann serenading me Fever? Because it was the best moment of my life. I. If not, I'll show it to you after.
- [66:35]
Matt Rogers
You know, I've seen her cabaret twice.
- [66:37]
Amanda Hirsch
It was funny because at the end I was like. I was like. I was like, luann, oh my God, I want to come to your show. Like, trying to get tickets for free. And then she's like, yes, honey, come.
- [66:46]
Matt Rogers
To Australia, come to Australia.
- [66:49]
Amanda Hirsch
I'm like, can I come to the Beacon? Yeah, like, can I come into.
- [66:52]
Matt Rogers
By the way, is she doing the Beacon?
- [66:54]
Amanda Hirsch
She says she is, but then her assistant was like, she's not really. Like, it was funny because she was like, the Beacon and this and that day and then coming to her system like, can you get me tickets? And then he was like, I don't know. I do think so.
- [67:04]
Matt Rogers
Like, Luanne, you're performing the Bacon. It's a new theater underground. She's doing the Bacon Theater.
- [67:11]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay. What?
- [67:12]
Matt Rogers
It's Kira Sedgwick and Kevin Bacon's new theater that are open.
- [67:15]
Amanda Hirsch
What? First of all, cutest Instagrams. What's your pop culture hot take? Where, like, no one agrees with you, but you're like, this is my dying hill. Which only fine if you can't think of one. I hate when people ask me to think of things on the spot.
- [67:27]
Matt Rogers
My pop culture hot take that no one will agree with me.
- [67:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [67:31]
Matt Rogers
Okay. Honestly, this is a hot take. Everyone wants. Everyone's dying for Beyonce to win album of the year because she's never won it for the Grammys. Yeah, it's not this year.
- [67:43]
Amanda Hirsch
It's also not this year.
- [67:44]
Matt Rogers
It's. I have to say, it should have happened three times.
- [67:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [67:47]
Matt Rogers
Like, I think Renaissance should be a winner. Lemonade should be right. Beyonce, self titled should be a winner. She should have three Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year. Brat was the album of the year. Or Chapel Roan for sure. Like, it's, It's. I don't think it should happen this year. And I feel like when it doesn't happen in February, it's going to be this whole uproar. But it's like if she cared more about it, she would have have done more about it. I think the album of the year, it should have been her so many times. And it will come in the future, but I don't think people should be surprised or make it into something that.
- [68:20]
Amanda Hirsch
You think they won't. I think that's not that hot of a take map because people were hating on her. Cowboy, I loved it. Oh.
- [68:26]
Matt Rogers
I think quality wise, I think it's like top tier. I think it's great. Beyond. I just think it's a really crazy year. Like, and I think if you're not saying Brat is the album of the year, you're not taking into account that it impacted fashion, politics like, crazy. All of musical culture. Like, now she's doing movies. She hosted snl.
- [68:45]
Amanda Hirsch
That was wild.
- [68:46]
Matt Rogers
It leveled Charlie up all the way. And I think she deserves. I think she deserves.
- [68:50]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, now just a couple more.
- [68:52]
Matt Rogers
Okay.
- [68:53]
Amanda Hirsch
Not pop culture, just general. Because I have to know, there was a picture of David Beckham yesterday. He always posts thirst traps. He's like, victoria took it.
- [69:01]
Matt Rogers
He's so hot.
- [69:01]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. Know. He shaved pits. Completely lasered.
- [69:05]
Matt Rogers
I don't like that.
- [69:05]
Amanda Hirsch
I know. I was saying that. I was like, you guys, that's a hit guy. Oh, like you like it when it's.
- [69:11]
Matt Rogers
Not when it's smelly. But I like, I like.
- [69:13]
Amanda Hirsch
No. Who likes it when it's smelly?
- [69:15]
Matt Rogers
Well, a lot of gay guys. No, baby. Come into the community for one afternoon.
- [69:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait. They like it when it smells like what?
- [69:22]
Matt Rogers
Like, like armpit. Yeah. You forget that we are a community that like, eats ass on the regular. You forget.
- [69:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Forget.
- [69:31]
Matt Rogers
Feels like you forget.
- [69:35]
Amanda Hirsch
We.
- [69:36]
Matt Rogers
But we sh.
- [69:36]
Amanda Hirsch
But we shot. We shan. Forget. So you like armpit hair, which isn't a given. Like. Yeah, it could have gone both ways for you. I like a shaved pit. Just isn't it for me?
- [69:47]
Matt Rogers
No, I. I just don't see, first of all, first, when we're all in like, middle school, like little gay boys in middle school, like, when we discover our body hair, we're immediately ashamed of it. Right, Right. So we all go through that thing of like, I'm shaving it. Yeah. There was a time I naired my Legs. In high school, babe.
- [70:02]
Amanda Hirsch
I neared it all.
- [70:04]
Matt Rogers
And the thing.
- [70:05]
Amanda Hirsch
First of all, narrators work, you know? Why did I get. It's probably, like, gonna kill you, but, like, is that why.
- [70:11]
Matt Rogers
Miracle drug. But, like, it growing back.
- [70:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [70:16]
Matt Rogers
Is awful. Guys. No, David.
- [70:19]
Amanda Hirsch
David.
- [70:20]
Matt Rogers
Not that he's not able to.
- [70:22]
Amanda Hirsch
He's lasering.
- [70:23]
Matt Rogers
Well, yeah. He's like, parasite.
- [70:24]
Amanda Hirsch
He's the.
- [70:24]
Matt Rogers
He's not like us girls.
- [70:26]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, so what's your biggest ick? But I want a tangible ick, not a, like, shaves his armpits. I want to, like. I don't know. Yesterday, I was thinking I was looking at my end table.
- [70:36]
Matt Rogers
Mm. It's like, oh, your. Your end table gave you the ick. I thought you were talking about, like, men.
- [70:43]
Amanda Hirsch
So I'm saying. No, I'm saying my end table. I was like, end tables are so gross.
- [70:49]
Matt Rogers
I mean, like, have you seen an.
- [70:50]
Amanda Hirsch
End table being like. I love that end table. No, it's a dumb thing.
- [70:54]
Matt Rogers
And also, it's like, one of those things that you forget you have to get.
- [70:57]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [70:57]
Matt Rogers
It's like, I guess I have to get an end.
- [70:59]
Amanda Hirsch
And then you get one that's ugly because, like, there aren't actual cute ones.
- [71:03]
Matt Rogers
Oh. I'll never forget the humiliation I felt when I ordered my end table from West Elm.
- [71:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [71:09]
Matt Rogers
And then I realized I had to put it together.
- [71:11]
Amanda Hirsch
You had to put it together? No. At least come as, like, a blob.
- [71:14]
Matt Rogers
Oh, no.
- [71:14]
Amanda Hirsch
You know what I mean? At least be, like, a marble, Not West Elm.
- [71:17]
Matt Rogers
I think that's the one thing for my apartment that is ikea. And I was like, like, crying, sobbing, having a breakdown. Giving, like, a Naomi Watts performance. Like, putting the end table together just like. Oh, my God. Just, like, lower than low.
- [71:30]
Amanda Hirsch
Lower than low.
- [71:31]
Matt Rogers
But my ick.
- [71:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [71:32]
Matt Rogers
I guess when you go to someone's house and their bathroom when their toilet is a mess.
- [71:39]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [71:39]
Matt Rogers
Or there's, like, hair all over the sink. I'm like, get me out. I'd rather set up an end table.
- [71:47]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
- [71:48]
Matt Rogers
I'd rather spend six hours sending. Spend, like, putting together an end table giving Naomi Watts performance.
- [71:55]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [71:56]
Matt Rogers
Then be in your bathroom for 45 seconds and see the little hairs and, like, the little pieces of yellow and brown stains. Give me.
- [72:05]
Amanda Hirsch
Clean your bowl.
- [72:07]
Matt Rogers
And I hate.
- [72:08]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [72:08]
Matt Rogers
Hate. I'm sorry. I know it's better for the water when I go into a bathroom and there's pee in the toilet.
- [72:13]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait. Oh. Like, if it's yellow, let it mellow.
- [72:16]
Matt Rogers
I don't believe in that. I don't Believe in that. I believe in flush your piss. That's what I believe in. And I. I once dated someone who never courtesy flushed.
- [72:25]
Amanda Hirsch
What do you mean?
- [72:26]
Matt Rogers
I ended up writing a song about it.
- [72:27]
Amanda Hirsch
It's in. Is it in? Okay.
- [72:29]
Matt Rogers
It's a privacy song. It's. It's a private song.
- [72:32]
Amanda Hirsch
It's a private.
- [72:32]
Matt Rogers
It goes like this. I'm a little nasal. Hold on. You got a courtesy flush. If you wanna be my husband, take a good look before you leave the toilet. Because if you wanna be with me, baby, and someday adopt a kid, you need to courtesy flush all your pee and shit. You need to flush two times.
- [73:03]
Amanda Hirsch
Wait, is that. Is there a thing at the end?
- [73:05]
Matt Rogers
Like, now there is.
- [73:09]
Amanda Hirsch
Matt, I love you. Thank you for coming out.
- [73:10]
Matt Rogers
I love you deeply. Wait, but, like, we didn't get to any of it. Oh, are you gonna end the podcast with courtesy flush? Yes.
- [73:19]
Amanda Hirsch
Now we're gonna end the podcast with come to your fucking show.
- [73:22]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
- [73:22]
Amanda Hirsch
Prince of Christmas. Come to my show.
- [73:24]
Matt Rogers
The Prince of Christmas. I'm doing it all over www.Matt Rogers on the 13th. You should come.
- [73:30]
Amanda Hirsch
I know I should come. I'm coming.
- [73:31]
Matt Rogers
Friday the 13th.
- [73:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Roger. That's what Luann's assistant was called when offered me Australia and the show on Netflix.
- [73:37]
Matt Rogers
I would never ask you to go to Australia. I want you to go right down the street. Webster Hall.
- [73:41]
Amanda Hirsch
You guys know Good deed? It's out December 13th.
- [73:44]
Matt Rogers
Y. Yes. So that's going to be a huge couple days for me.
- [73:46]
Amanda Hirsch
Okay, let me do it again. I don't get something wrong. No. Good.
- [73:53]
Matt Rogers
Here you go. I'm the worst. I'm so bad at podcasting.
- [73:56]
Amanda Hirsch
You're. You're so bad at having.
- [73:58]
Matt Rogers
The fans will tell me how bad I am. They're like. He cuts me off. I'm like, shut up. I never asked for this.
- [74:02]
Amanda Hirsch
They want you to not exist. They want you to be like a robot.
- [74:04]
Matt Rogers
They want you to be Diane Sawyer listening like this with your glasses on your nose, like. And now that I've given you a minute of space, after you answer, say more. I'm like, oh, God, So boring.
- [74:14]
Amanda Hirsch
You guys know Good Deed? It's out on Netflix December 12th. It's so good. You're phenomenal in it. Everybody go watch. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knott's Kenny. But not fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny, but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday.
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Matt Rogers
Please note that this episode may contain.
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Amanda Hirsch
Paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.
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Matt Rogers
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Amanda Hirsch
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Matt Rogers
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