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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. I just took off my sweater and I'm not trying to be sexual. I'm trying to be the going between the hot and the cold is crazy. Like the, the. The amount that I am freezing outside. Listen, New Yorkers don't complain this much usually. It really has been excessively, insanely cold here. Colder than Utah. Colder than like, literally anywhere. Also, you guys have taught me that the reason I wasn't as cold in Utah is because Utah has. It's dry cold in here. It's wet cold. And wet cold sucks more than dry cold. So thank you for teaching me yet another thing. But, yeah, so right now I'm. I took my sweater off because what happens in New York is the apartments are so overheated and controlled by the building. Many a times, like in my building. So I'm like, I get back in. I'm like sweating. And then you go out in your. So of course you get the freaking sniffles and all that. Anyway, happy, happy Tuesday, you guys. Welcome. Welcome back to not skinny but not fat to another new episode. I'm your host, Amanda, who just got back from Utah, went for Sundance. It was so cool to be there for the. For my first time and also the last time that Sundance is in Park City, which is like, became sad to me. It's like, I'm such a easy. I'm an easy, sappy person. You know, it's like she's been here once and she's like, it's so sad. It's living Park City, is it not? It's going to Boulder. It's going to Boulder. I wonder if Robert Redford is rolling in his grave that, that, that, you know, Park City lost it. Robert Redford created Sundance. Just so you know. I didn't know. I didn't know that he lived in Utah. He did. He died in Utah too. Anyway, I just found out Catherine o' Hara died. So worst day I. The way I screamed. I. I'm sure I'm not alone. When I saw the Variety. First of all, I saw the Variety picture and I was like, I hope this isn't a death announcement. Because sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's like that the face of. And it's like, oh, they're gonna be in a new movie. That's what I was hoping. But no, it was an announcement that she passed away, and I was like, no, like, literally an insane person. Like, what an iconic human. It's like Diane Keaton all over again. It's just so terrible. It makes me so sad. It actually, like, I was getting chills. Luckily, I saw this after I. I recorded a podcast, but it's. And she's young. She's 71. It's really, really. It's. I was gonna say it sucks, but that's such a. You know, it's way more than sucks. Like, rest in peace, you angel. That brought us so much, you know, love and light to this world, and it's inspired so many. And, you know, just, wow, what a human. Not to go. Go dark and deep, but, oh, where we were. We were at Sundance, so that was really fun. I learned to ski for the first time, which is crazy. Everyone's like, you're from New York. How did you ski? I was like, I don't know. Not rich. Like, I didn't come from a rich family. I don't know. We didn't go. Like, it wasn't a family cultural thing. Never happened. Like, my mom didn't ski. Like, I didn't ski. But I. I was down to try, and I thought it'd be really funny, especially because of hus snowboarding accident. I thought, like, it would really just be so funny to go a skiing after the snowboarding thing. And I. The thing with my anxiety is, like, I feel like I'll get anxiety if I'm, like, unprepared for something. So I, like, prepared in my head so much for this ski situation, as much as I could, like, knowing that I'm going to need a lot of equipment and knowing this and knowing that, like, in my mind, prepare to fall or whatever. But, like, I think I pictured it that you get to a ski resort and you, like, maybe get on a little lift and you, like, hop out of the lift, like, in a second, and that's it. But, like, we got on this gondola that was 25 minutes, and I was not well, and we were. I went with custom Migos, and I had a partnership with them, which was super cool. And we did red carpet premieres, and part of the thing was, like, shooting some ski content. And in the gondola, they're, like, filming me. Like, how do you feel? What's it? And I'm like, I'm having a panic attack. And I think a Lot of people just say that, which I hate when it's used in vain. So they thought I was being funny and cheeky. And I was like, no, no, legit. And the skiing trucks were trying to like, talk to me about how we're going to ski. And I was like, none of this can occur right now because I'm having a panic attack and not prepared to be in the air for this long. Like, that's just not. It's just not. Talk to me when we get there. And I'm like, how long? And every time I asked how long, it was like, oh, 10 minutes, five minutes. And I'm like, I want you to say nine seconds. Like, why is this so long? But what was funny is when we got off the gondola, it's like you literally see 3 year olds and you're like, I am feeling kind of. Feeling kind of dumb right now. But it's. It's so cute to watch these three, four year olds and they start skiing when they're so little. So they're become like, sha white. Anyway, on to onto the next. On to the next. On to today's episode. I am so excited to have Melissa Gorga here. She is just the funnest person that I've met recently in my life. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like I love her on the show, Meliss, and I love her cookies and the family and the, you know, the. All of it. And that's like, you meet her and she's literally a rare sunshine. She's the most bubbly, the most fun life of the party. Like, her and Joe together, it's just like a vibe. It's like, Joe did that thing. And I was like, you need to come in the pod. Even though your season isn't airing right now, I don't care, you know, I just want to talk to you and I want you to come. And she walked in. It was so funny. She walked in. You'll hear it on the pod. Like she wanted to do earlier in the day and I couldn't. So she had like a few hours to kill. And she comes in with like five shopping bags of like Prada, Louis Vuitton, like, all huge. And I'm like, okay, Pretty Woman. And she's like, it's because of you, because you couldn't do the podcast earlier. I'm not doing it well. Right? I'm like, wait, are you really blaming me? Like, huge bags. It was so crazy. But I just think she's so. Who she is and so fun. And obsessed with her. So here you go, guys. Enjoy. Enjoy this one with Melissa Gorga. You look so good. Thank you. I'm so excited that I got to see you, like, thrice in the past month.
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I know people say we had fun at that dinner.
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A
We had. Well, I first saw you at the house made premiere.
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B
Oh, right. You were sitting right behind me.
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A
Right. Which, like, I saw you and, like, seeing a familiar face, which was the first time we met in person. Because I've done your part on.
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Yes, yes.
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And we didn't meet in person in person, but I was like.
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And I was, like, peeking out the window. You're like, are you good? I'm like, yeah, my husband's trying to get a car.
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Joe cracked me up. You crack. I feel like you guys are just such a good time.
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We are.
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You.
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Thank you.
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You really are. Like, you can immediately tell, like, these are the vibes. I want to get a drink with them. I want to have dinner with them. I want to hang out with them. They're just fun and hilarious.
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B
That's us. I feel like everyone who meets us pretty much says this. They get that vibe, like, you know, it's gonna be everyone loves us. And he always. Everybody wants to, like, grab a drink with us. I'm like, why? Why do we always have to cocktail? It's dry January.
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A
You're like, stop thinking we're fun. We are, though.
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Like, does anyone think we're a serious couple? We can be very serious.
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Well, I just, like, some behind the scenes is, like, the day of the House made. It started by me. Well, I texted the threads team because I thought it was so funny because we. I did that event with threads, and you came. But when you. On the house made premiere day, you. You threaded, like, I'm so excited to see the housemate. And that, like, just cracked me. I don't know why. It was just such a good typo.
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B
You're like, this girl.
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And then we get there, and Joe thought it was, like, what did he think it was?
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Oh, oh, oh. He thought we were seeing Handmaid's Tale. He's like, oh, yeah, this is the one with the red and the hats. I'm like, joe, that's Handmaids. So he thought we were seeing Handmaids. I wrote housemaid. And you know why? In his defense, it was very red.
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A
It was very red. You're defending him.
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B
You know, you can't defend him. He always says the wrong thing. It's just. But he's.
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A
He comes on, like, when you go to These things. Does he ask you, like, where are we going? I don't care about that movie or why do we have to go to this event? Is he who's more, like, into it? Who needs to be dragged out?
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No, he's definitely more social than I am. Oh, 1000%.
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Really?
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B
Oh, yes. You would never maybe think that, but yeah. Oh, Joe will sit and talk to you all day. You can be anyone anywhere. Met you yesterday. You're invited to pasta on Sunday.
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That's nice.
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It is nice. Like, he's that guy that, like, if we're sitting next to someone on a plane. No, like I'm like this and the thing, like, like this. So where are you from? What do you do for a living? Really? Oh, Joe, Yes.
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Oh, yeah. I could see how that gets annoying.
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B
He's definitely more social than me. Although I'm normally social, I would say.
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But he's even more than you.
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Oh, yeah.
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A
And the other thing that's cute about you too, like at the threads dinner is like, he's your like, personal assistant slash paparazzo.
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Yes. Like, he's, he's. I've trained him well to take photos.
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He's like, taking photos. We were taking, like professional photos, you guys, and he was with his little iPhone.
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B
Because he likes to be like, behind the scenes.
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A
Like behind the scenes. He's like, I'm going to get. Look at me. I look here.
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B
It's sweet.
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A
He's so fun.
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B
We. I know it sounds crazy, but we kind of grew up on TV together. We were only married for four, maybe five years tops, because Antonia was five, like before. She was like four maybe when I joined the show. So we, you know, we were newlyweds, basically, trying to figure out if we liked each other. You know what I mean?
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A
And how long were you together before you got married?
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One year.
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We.
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B
We got engaged within, I wanna say six months. And we were married within a year.
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A
And Teresa said that you. That he had at Brava Khan one year. She said he had like fiance's before.
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She loves to tell that story. She wasn't the first. She wasn't the first, but it is.
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A comment because, I mean, she did in her defense, say, like, he made the. The best choice. Oh, well, I think I read that. Yeah.
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B
Okay, good.
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A
Yes.
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B
Well, we had a great Bravo Con this year. Maybe not previous years, but this one was very nice.
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A
Wait, so he was engaged, like, he.
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Was engaged once to like his like high school girlfriend, like, like when he was so young. And then I think there was like, like, I Don't want to say anything. I don't know. Something that didn't work out. That was like a quick thing.
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Yeah.
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But he had a. Supposedly they were mean. Like they, they, their family was mean to Teresa and his mom or something like that. Teresa and his mom didn't like the second one's family.
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Okay.
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So that didn't work out. And then there's me.
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Wait, so he's been then. But something in him was down to settle down from a young age.
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Sounds like he's, he's, he's like a, he's a marrying type of guy. Yeah, he's definitely like a family guy. Like he's, he was not that guy who was like out in the clubs and like partied. Like he has been a worker beast since the day I met him. Since he was 19 he would go out but like he would roll up with his friends at like 7 change for 2 seconds, jump in the car and like go where they were going. But he'd be the one that got up at 6:00 in the morning, went to work the next day.
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Ye.
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And he was always like that. He's still like that. We party and we'll go out and we get home from the city at like, you know, it's two o' clock in the morning. By the time you drive home and you fall asleep.
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Yeah.
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6:00Am he's out the door and I'm just like, oh my God, you're nuts. Like six o' clock in the morning.
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Even though he could probably afford to like. But he would never.
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It's not in his.
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Yeah, it's not in his attractive quality. Like is. That's probably like something that you found attractive when you met him. Oh my God.
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The thing I said to. I'm like he works so hard and he had so much from. And he was like. And you know he had immigrant parents.
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Yeah.
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And he literally everything he had. I mean his dad was a shoemaker, so he was self taught pretty much into like construction and, and it was so hot to me that he was just so young. I mean he was 28, I was 24. And he was like.
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You were 24 when you met.
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I met him at 24, I married him at 25. Baby, I'm that girl.
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You're that girl. Did you.
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Yeah, they don't do that anymore. Right.
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Did. Would you have seen yourself as being that girl like when you were growing up, did you also think like I'm gonna get married young, have kids young?
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I would say that, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so. Because my child, my family life with my. Between my mother and father was so crazy that I was like, oh, no. Like, I'm definitely gonna get married to, like, the best. And he's gonna be home every night, and my whole family is gonna have dinner. And we do.
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And you do.
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Yeah. You want to hear something I just saw? My. My daughter is dating a boy for pretty.
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How old is Antonia now?
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She's 20.
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Fucking insane.
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Yes. Yeah, she's turning into a little mini me, by the way.
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It's. I could see she's doing red carpets with you.
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You're like, she's always been great at that. She speaks so well. That makes I get proud when she, like, I don't know, when she speaks on a car, I like the way she's, you know, eloquent and she doesn't try too hard. She's not so into this. Like, she's.
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She's not.
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She's so unapologetically Antonia.
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Like, she tell me she met a guy.
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Okay. Yeah. So sorry. I go off on chance she. She met a guy. She's been dating him for enough time that we, like, met the parents.
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A
Wait, you met the parents?
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And they happen to be there in Aruba this week, too. So we had drinks with them one night, and they were like. She was like, you know what? My son told me about your house. Cause he's been over a couple times. He's like, mom, they, like, eat dinner together every night. Like, every time I go over there, they're eating dinner. And I started laughing. I'm like, is that strange? She's like, kind of like. He was like, no. They literally are all sitting at the table, like, every time I'm there, and then I have to sit with them and eat dinner with them.
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I was like, it's inspirational.
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But yeah, we're sitting.
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You make it a point.
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I make it a point. Like, I'm already thinking about. I work all morning. Like, when I go home, I'm gonna make dinner so we can all have dinner.
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So what are you gonna. Because we know you had, like, a big day and you were shopping really hard.
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B
Yeah. Today I took out chicken, like, thin sliced chicken breasts.
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A
So I'll probably buy organic.
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Yes. Oh, my God, yes, I do. And I'm like, yes, I do. Actually, I'll put zucchini and tomato on top because it's quick. It's like a one panner. So when I get home, I'll do that. I put it in the oven. My sons will come home from wrestling and football lifts, and Joe will come home from work, and Antonia will have, like. Because she's home the whole month of January. Yeah, that's how. University of Delaware. They're off the.
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A
She's at Udell.
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B
Udell.
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Oh, my God. That's like a. My sister went there.
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Did she?
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And I visited her. And I remember being like, it's a school.
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It's. It's a.
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It's like a football school, right? Yes.
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It's sorority.
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Yeah. Sorority.
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The whole thing.
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But at least it is close.
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It's close enough. That's why it's two and a half hours. So it's perfect. Like, she's gone, but she can come back when I need her, when she needs us. So it's great. And she loves it. And she happens to go to Udell and meets a boy from East Hanover, New Jersey, which, if you know, East Hanover, New Jersey, is all the Italians.
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Oh, really?
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Yes. And I'm like, and he's Italian? Yes.
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So worse.
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He looks like her dad. No, he reminds me of her dad. Like, it's so funny.
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How is Joe with that? With his little. Little kid?
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B
At first, he was, like, not really wanting to meet him too much. He's like, it's not like. He's like, I don't want to meet multiple.
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A
Right.
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He's like, when it's serious, like, call me. And I'm like, well, it's been six months. Like, maybe, yeah, we should let him come over and say hi. So. But Joe's the type where he's like, I meet him and I want to be good to someone when I know it's, like, real. Yeah, but he met him, and we really like him. He's a nice.
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A
It's intimidating to meet you guys. I feel like.
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B
I know. And he's a little. He's quiet around us. Tony's like, I swear, he's not like that. I'm like, I'm shocked. You like such a quiet boy. I'm like, your dad's so not quite. And she's like, mom, he's not. He's just. I mean, I'm like, I get it. It's, like, probably a little strange for him.
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You know, she did, like, a haul I saw on Christmas.
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B
I know.
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A
What do you think about that?
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I. I wish she didn't do them.
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Oh, yeah. So she doesn't. I mean, obviously, she's 20 years old. She's not going to be like, mom, can I post this?
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B
But she's like, why is everyone. Everyone else can do them. And like, but she's like, but I'm gonna get heat.
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A
And I'm like, not really.
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B
Like, a little bit. But, you know, I'm proud of the hall because I'm like, I'm Santa. Like, I did that. Like, I'm the one who. When I worked for it, I did that. I wrapped every one of those gifts for all three of my kids. And you know what? I grew up like that, where you wake up to, like, an abundance of gifts. And they don't have to be expensive gifts. They're just gifts. Like, my mother would get some things from the dollar store just because it was an extra thing to open up. And it was like the bouncy ball that you hit that's attached to the Mitch. Yeah, that thing.
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A
Look at you. From bouncy ball to, like, the largest bag they had at Louis.
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B
Okay, that's. Yes, but that's your fault. You totally did me.
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A
You worked hard, and you deserve it. It's the end of the year, and you like it.
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B
Yes.
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A
And it makes you happy.
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B
I'm. I'm all business all the time. I'm a businesswoman. That's what I do 24 7. Everyone knows that about me. I've been like that since I was. I had a job at 14. My first job was on the Seaside Heights Boardwalk selling pizza at the pizza stand. And from there, it was like tanning salons and realty. Realty companies, and just. I have always been a girl that has three jobs at once. Always.
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A
Well, we. Like, I remember from even the old days of New Jersey, like, you know, from the storylines of, like, Joe not wanting to work, you wanting to work. Like, it was always struggle a thing. How is he now with. With it, with the sprinkle cookies and envy and everything else you have going on?
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B
It's crazy now, because now he won't let me stop. Now he doesn't want me.
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A
Now he's like, you're bringing in the dough.
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B
Yeah. So now he's like, do more. Do more. What's the next cookie? When's the new drop? When's the new drop? When's the new drop? If he's asked me one more time, when's the new drop? I'm like, the drop's coming.
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A
No, stop.
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B
Yes.
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A
That's amazing, though. We've trained him.
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B
Yes. Like, but now I'm like, jesus, what did I create? I had to. But he's, like, letting me work, and he's like, why are you home? When's the new drop? I'm like, the drop Stuff. He's like, we need a peanut butter cookie. We need a chocolate chip cookie with sprinkles. We need it. So he's definitely. Yeah, he's changed. He's literally done a 180.
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A
Like, he still wants the dinner on the table. He does.
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B
But I do, too.
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A
But you do too.
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B
Yes.
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A
That is special. I've been thinking about that with my kids. Like, that we don't. Because, like, I was. I'm doing, like, a red design for my house, so the interior designers were like, do you. What do you use the kitchen table for? Like, do you all eat together? And. And I was, like, embarrassed to answer. You know when you lie to, like, the wrong people, like, they wouldn't judge me. It's like when you lie to your doctor. Yeah. You can't lie.
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B
Setting you up.
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A
Right. But I was just like, yeah, we mostly, like. And then I felt so bad about.
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B
It, but you don't need to feel bad about it.
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A
But it is. But is something inspirational? It's as inspirational to have dinner with your family every night. All eat together. But, like, okay, so what do you do with, like, the boys, obviously? I mean, the fact that they're eating zucchini. Grilled chick.
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B
So they get mad when I make that because they want something a little bit like. No, they. They push the zucchini off. And I'm like, guys, just take. It's so good. Antonia eats it like a savage. And so does my husband. But the two boys will just take the chicken off.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And one of them will throw some barbecue sauce on the side. But it's still beautiful, soft chicken.
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A
But don't they want, like, a pasta?
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B
They. Oh, no, we don't pasta during the week.
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A
You don't?
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B
Oh, no.
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A
Like, pasta is a weekend tree.
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B
Oh, yeah. Pasta's for Sundays.
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A
Pasta is only for Sundays.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Carbs.
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B
We just. It's just not a thing. Like, you don't eat pasta during the week.
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A
Oh, my God. Stop shaming. People that eat pasta during the week. Don't.
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B
In my house, I guess as an Italian, we just eat pasta on Sundays.
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A
Special occasion pasta.
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B
Yeah. Like, I think I would have a little. Like, I'd be like, I can't believe I just ate a bowl of pasta on a Tuesday.
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A
That's great.
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B
No, like, Tuesdays for, like, chicken, you can have, like, a steak chicken. I make meatloaf. I make all kinds of different chicken. What else do I make?
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A
How did you learn how to cook? Like, was it something you saw?
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B
My mother cooked, but my mother in law really taught me the most. Joe's mom.
- [21:19]
A
Really?
- [21:19]
B
Yeah. She was an amazing cook and so was my father in law. And we had them over once a week for dinner. When my kids were little, they would come once a week and they would cook at my house. And I was so like intrigued because they came from Italy and it was like different. It was so good. And I would sit with my father in law and watch him and he would help and I'd cook with him.
- [21:40]
A
Like you had the patience. Like watch and learn.
- [21:43]
B
I was a old soul. I would say at like as a 25 year old girl, I just wanted to be a good wife and a good mom and like I wanted to.
- [21:50]
A
Know how to see that you got. So wait, married at 24?
- [21:55]
B
No.
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A
Engaged? No.
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B
Actually I got engaged on my 25th birthday.
- [21:59]
A
Engaged, 25th birthday. Married the following year.
- [22:02]
B
No, I got, I was 25 when I got married. And then Antonia, I got pregnant with Antonia two months after I got married. So I got married in August. I think I got pregnant with her in like November, and then she popped out in August. So a year after I got married, I had Antonia within one year.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah, it was quick.
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A
Like, do you remember those early days of like being a new mom at 26?
- [22:28]
B
I do. And I do remember struggling with it a little bit. I cried a lot. I have a box. It's a Louis Vuitton shoebox. I have a box of like some letters I used to write. Really?
- [22:38]
A
Yeah.
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B
And sometimes I read them and I'm.
- [22:40]
A
Like, do you think you had some like postpartum stuff going on?
- [22:44]
B
No, I never had postpartum. And it's just one thing I didn't like, I never wanted. Never was mad about being a mom or like, never felt stressed. Like that mom was like, easy for me. It was, I don't know, I think I was up there all alone. I think I was struggling there.
- [22:59]
A
What do you mean?
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B
So I lived up north with Joe. My whole family lives an hour and a half away. And I'm very. I have a lot to know.
- [23:05]
A
What's up north?
- [23:06]
B
So Franklin Lakes, New Jersey.
- [23:08]
A
Okay. So up north in Jersey.
- [23:10]
B
Up north in Jersey is like Bergen County. Franklin Lakes, where I grew up in Tom Driver, New Jersey, which is more like the Jersey shore.
- [23:17]
A
Oh, gotcha. So that's more south.
- [23:19]
B
It's more south. It's about like an hour and 15 minutes away. But it's, you know, you can't call your mom to say, stop by for an hour. I want to like run to the mall or get my nails done or. Yeah, whatever it is. So I was kind of on my own and Theresa always, you know, was with my mother in law and her and I, you know, it was always a little bit what it was.
- [23:36]
A
It was like that from the beginning. From the.
- [23:38]
B
Not, not the very beginning, but, you know, pretty, pretty early on, which everyone saw obviously, like, you know, Joey's christening. So my child. Right, right.
- [23:49]
A
With how. Because I'm trying to put the timeline, like go back in time. So you have Antonia, 26, and then when she was four, you start the show.
- [23:57]
B
Yes.
- [23:58]
A
So four years after you become a mom.
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B
Tony was four, Gino was two.
- [24:03]
A
Yeah.
- [24:03]
B
Joey was born on the show. He's two months. And here I am, my son's 15.
- [24:08]
A
That's crazy.
- [24:09]
B
And I'm still happily married somehow. I know, happily, you know, most of.
- [24:14]
A
The time navigated so much like filming.
- [24:18]
B
Yeah. Like my whole life has basically my whole married life.
- [24:22]
A
Would you ever, like young Melissa, did she think she was going to be like a star on tv? Did you have entertainment industry in the back of your mind? Like, growing up?
- [24:33]
B
I always sang in the school play. Like, I was always that girl, like, that was gonna be in the opera and be the star in the opera, like that kind of thing.
- [24:43]
A
Opera?
- [24:43]
B
Oh, yeah, we had an opera. I'll never forget. It was called the Rusty Dusty Opera Company.
- [24:47]
A
Did you have to, like, do opera?
- [24:49]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah. But I just sang regular. Yeah, like, whatever. My dad was there with the big, like, vhs, like, camcorder, like, all proud. But like, I always loved that. But no, I wasn't like, trying to be famous. I. I graduated college to be a teacher. I'm a teacher. I'm certified K through 8 in teaching. So I was going to become a teacher.
- [25:10]
A
That's. That was the plan.
- [25:11]
B
That was the plan. I wanted to be a teacher. And then I got pregnant, you know, pretty quick after I got married. And then Joe was kind of like, I'd really rather you, like, instead of having like a boss and going to school every day and not being able to go on vacation. And then we have to find a, you know, help to, like, why don't you run my office from home and like, stay home with Antonia? And so I used to put her in the bouncy chair and like, take all of his. At the time, he ran a really large landscape construction company. So it was a lot of, like, retaining walls and waterfalls and like, backyard stuff. And I ran that for him. I would make all his estimates and send him on his way and take all the interests. I loved it. I didn't mind. I always wanted to be a teacher. Like, I'm still mad I didn't have my chalkboard. I did my student teaching and I.
- [25:58]
A
Told you did student teaching. You're ready to go.
- [26:01]
B
I had a child the other day. They were like, I was your. They were huge. They were like, I was your third grade student. I was like, oh my God.
- [26:08]
A
That's crazy.
- [26:08]
B
Yeah.
- [26:09]
A
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B
How so? Oh my God. This is Taylor's oldest time. But they DMed me on Facebook. On Facebook. And it comes back to the sprinkle cookies.
- [32:19]
A
Really?
- [32:20]
B
Yeah, I think I, I put a post on Facebook.
- [32:24]
A
Yeah.
- [32:25]
B
Complaining that, you know, my sister in law threw my cookies in the garbage. She wasn't really, by the way.
- [32:31]
A
I don't.
- [32:32]
B
She wasn't. I don't know if she was famous yet. I'm not sure. But anyway, that kind of sparked, but probably something. Who the heck knows? And they DM'd me and they were kind of like, hey, we'd love to have you try out for the Real Housewives of New Jersey on Facebook. Back in the day, everyone used Facebook. Now I don't even touch Facebook. I know, I mean, I do a little bit, but not really.
- [32:52]
A
So you.
- [32:53]
B
And then it just kind of went.
- [32:54]
A
Through there about the sprinkle cookies, about your sister in law, Teresa. Yeah. Like she was on the show.
- [33:00]
B
I can't remember if she was on or not yet, to be honest. I think maybe I don't remember. But either way, it was just like.
- [33:08]
A
So she never liked it.
- [33:09]
B
They were, by the way, the producers were DMing everyone and everyone on the cast's life. Like that's what they're doing right now. To all of my friends and cousins and family members.
- [33:17]
A
Yeah.
- [33:18]
B
They can tell you at any given moment Like, I just got a DM from the producers or from a casting agent or. So that's what they do. That's their mo. They'll come to you on Social and say, like, we'd love to interview you for the show. That's like their thing.
- [33:33]
A
So when you get this dm, are you excited?
- [33:35]
B
No, I. I don't, I don't even remember. I feel like it was so long ago, but I was like, I didn't think it was real. I was like, probably fake. And I ended up doing the interview like at my shore house. And my sister in law called me and she's like, you know, what's going on? I heard you're doing the interview. I was like, yeah, I didn't do it yet, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna do the interview. And this was before I even had them come. Like the interview, I guess is them coming to you and like videoing you. They're still doing now to people, which is so funny. And I told her like, yes, I'm going to have them come to my shore house. I'm gonna see if I like it. And then it just kind of went from there.
- [34:14]
A
Did she sound supportive at that point? Like she was.
- [34:18]
B
I don't know. Yeah, this is, you know, whatever. We're way past that at this point, thank God.
- [34:24]
A
So, yeah. You celebrated Christmas together at your house?
- [34:29]
B
Yes. Yes.
- [34:30]
A
You extended the invite?
- [34:31]
B
Yes, I did.
- [34:32]
A
How did you decide to do that? Or together?
- [34:35]
B
I think we were on a phone. We. I was talking to her and I was like, what are you doing for Christmas Eve? What are you doing for Christmas Eve? She had mentioned that she was going to be in her house with Louie's family for both days or. Yeah, something like that. So I had said, okay, well, maybe we'll go out to a dinner or something. You know, maybe we'll go to dinner, we'll do something. And then I was speaking to Joe about it and he's like, let's just have them all come here for Christmas Eve. And I think he called her and said like, come, come to our house for Christmas Eve. And it was great. We had so much fun. We were up till like 2 o' clock in the morning playing pool, playing poker. We were like in my basement partying till like 2, 3 o' clock in the morning. Yeah, Gia was having so much fun with my sons. All their friends came over. They were all like playing poker. It was a really good time.
- [35:21]
A
Were the kids in touch throughout the time that you weren't?
- [35:25]
B
No. So that's why this was a big deal for us.
- [35:27]
A
And so the kids were probably so happy, too.
- [35:30]
B
So happy. So happy. And that's why I think Teresa and I, and we were all, like, a little nervous because we had all connected already. We went to lunch, we've had a dinner.
- [35:40]
A
We.
- [35:40]
B
We've done things, but we haven't connected the kids yet. So Christmas Eve was for us to really, like, connect the kids, that's special. And they connected instantly. They're cousins. They really. There's true love there.
- [35:51]
A
You know, they were telling me at the. When we met that, like, Joe is also so happy to, like, see everybody back together.
- [35:57]
B
That's for me, like, in the beginning, you know? And I'm happy, too now. I'm happy. Nobody wants to fight, Nobody wants to argue. But in the very beginning, I was like, this is gonna make my husband so happy. And he's like a kid. You could see him, like. I mean, who wouldn't be happy to reconnect with their only sibling?
- [36:14]
A
With their only sibling.
- [36:14]
B
Yeah. So I was. I was all about it.
- [36:17]
A
What do you think? Or hope is different about this reconciliation this time?
- [36:22]
B
You know what? I think it needs to last. And if it doesn't, then shame on all of us. Right. Like, shame on all of us if we can't pull this through. Like, life's too short.
- [36:34]
A
I feel like family's family.
- [36:37]
B
Yeah. I don't know that there's any other tries after this.
- [36:39]
A
Right.
- [36:40]
B
It's kind of one of those things where it's like, I couldn't imagine. We're not even gonna talk about that. Because it's gonna last.
- [36:47]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [36:47]
B
Let's not put it out there this time. It's gonna be okay. I think there was too many people and everyone's ears and just, you know, too many people trying to make points or prove things that obviously are not going to be proven. It's not like everyone's here and everyone's going to be together. So it's like just. I don't know what. When it got so bad, but it got really bad.
- [37:12]
A
Yeah. It's been three years. Three years.
- [37:14]
B
Yeah.
- [37:15]
A
And now have you, since Christmas, have been doing more, kind of like, is it more.
- [37:21]
B
Well, we leave. We left the day after Christmas.
- [37:22]
A
Oh, you left. Right. Yeah.
- [37:24]
B
But I was on the phone with Teresa yesterday talking about something else that's coming up. Yeah.
- [37:27]
A
So what would you say to. To, like, people that are like, ugh, they're just doing this because if they want to start filming again, they have to be Good. Like pessimists like that.
- [37:37]
B
If we all still didn't get along the way that we didn't, it would not be worth it to fake it for this show. Let's just put it that way. Because it would be. It is not a fun time to really not like someone and spend time with them or even fake spend time with them. So everyone can believe that this is real because we would literally just pass on the show. But I'm not going to be around someone that I feel is toxic or not good for my life or I'm scared of and I'm not gonna do it. So it's real. Cause I would never go any other way.
- [38:15]
A
What have you decided to change about? Because I feel like in situations with two people, right. You can only change your behavior. Right. Like, you can't force the other person to change. So a lot of times if you want to make something work, whether it's in a relationship with a man, woman, whatever, right. Like, you have to say, I'm going to be more, you know, understanding. I'm going to get my ego down. I'm going to exactly accept more like what. What are the decisions you made in this to like make it work.
- [38:42]
B
Exactly. And I feel like there's got to be ownership. There's gotta be everyone on both parts. Right. So it's like. And you have to talk to yourself because I'm gonna have to talk to myself. I'm sure. And I'm sure she's gonna have to. And maybe Joe and maybe Louie, like, whatever it is. But everyone have a conversation with yourself. When you get upset or you get mad or you're feeling a certain way and remember what it feels like and remember that things are not such a big deal.
- [39:05]
A
I think that's like. It escalates quickly with you guys. Maybe take a second.
- [39:10]
B
Yes. Take a second and realize that it's not a big deal.
- [39:13]
A
Yeah. Well, I hope that this is like a happily every ever after forever.
- [39:18]
B
I do too. I think it is. It is. This time we're good.
- [39:21]
A
And you know nothing about the show?
- [39:23]
B
No.
- [39:24]
A
Aside from interviews, which you said are.
- [39:25]
B
Happening, I do know that they're. They're actively searching for new girls. I know that.
- [39:31]
A
But do you have the confidence to say I'm gonna be back?
- [39:34]
B
No, I'm not gonna say that.
- [39:36]
A
No.
- [39:36]
B
I feel like, yes, I think I would 100% do it again. It's part of my. Like, I don't. Honestly, it's weird, but I've done it for so long. Yeah, that it comes natural to me, and it's not a big deal. And it's like they come in and nothing really changes. They just kind of watch what goes on. And there's always something going on in my life, in my house as it is. So it's like, I would do it again, but if not, I do feel.
- [40:01]
A
Yeah. If not, it opens a lot of doors. You look. You would. You would take, like, glass half full, look.
- [40:08]
B
Oh, 1,000.
- [40:08]
A
Really?
- [40:09]
B
Yeah. There's a secret piece of me that's like, how long the show's not going to go on forever. Like, at what point do you pull a. Okay. Time to. You know, of course I'm sure. I mean, I think that way, but that's me. I'm a workaholic.
- [40:22]
A
Yeah. Other.
- [40:23]
B
Some of the other girls on the show might be like, oh, when I'm done, I'm done. I can't wait to go. Like, relax. I'm like, what's next?
- [40:29]
A
So you would be equally as happy if you were asked back or if, God forbid, one day the decision was made for you?
- [40:39]
B
No, I wouldn't say that. I'm not going to be disappointed.
- [40:41]
A
Yeah.
- [40:42]
B
Because I would be. Because it's. It's. Listen, I've been here a long time.
- [40:45]
A
Yeah.
- [40:45]
B
I put a lot of effort into it. I put a lot of personal life right into it. But do I think I'd be devastated? Like, it's ruining me. Like, I would. No, no, no.
- [40:56]
A
Would you be jelly of the newbies?
- [40:58]
B
I mean, maybe when I watch the show, I'd be like, oh, that looks fun.
- [41:02]
A
Fun.
- [41:02]
B
Or. Oh, I would have said this. And. Yeah, I would have done that so much better. Like, they definitely need.
- [41:07]
A
I feel like, really went up over the years. That's something really noticeable. Right.
- [41:12]
B
I think what happens is this show has been off the air now for two years, and I have been busier than I've ever been.
- [41:20]
A
So those sprinkled cookies are doing fucking bomb, right?
- [41:24]
B
Yeah, they. They. It's.
- [41:25]
A
They're delish. But I feel like the business is going really well.
- [41:28]
B
It's been insane. I can't even.
- [41:30]
A
Like, you didn't think it would be this crazy?
- [41:33]
B
No, like, I knew that it would be something I always said they're gonna do well. It's gonna be something that does well.
- [41:38]
A
Gonna be like a moment I never knew.
- [41:40]
B
It's like a thing. Like a real legit. Like, I'm going into King stores now. I'm going into 10 more Shoprites, the whole sacred group.
- [41:48]
A
Oh, you guys love Kings. In Jersey. It's like the fancy, like, supermarket, right? Yes.
- [41:53]
B
Kara. Lucy's in Connecticut. I just did an appearance there with hundreds and hundreds of people showed up and bought, like, six boxes.
- [42:00]
A
Wow.
- [42:01]
B
Like, it was insane.
- [42:02]
A
Wow.
- [42:03]
B
It was insane.
- [42:04]
A
I saw Gia was doing re watches a little bit.
- [42:07]
B
I know. I'm like, gia, no, don't do it.
- [42:09]
A
Oh, yeah. So how did you. You were.
- [42:11]
B
You know, when I first. I meant it. Which, which, yes. I wanted to call her and be like, wait, why are you doing that? That can't be good. You know, like, we're moving forward, not backwards.
- [42:20]
A
Yeah, right. That is true.
- [42:23]
B
I know. I saw.
- [42:23]
A
Like, if she sees the baptism episode or, like, well, she won't.
- [42:27]
B
She gets it. I mean, she knows. I guess, but I just don't get. I don't know. I'm like, oof. When those come on, I'm like, I don't want to see it.
- [42:34]
A
I don't want to have your kids, like, seen old episodes.
- [42:37]
B
Not my boys somewhere. Like, they've. Everybody's seen everything but nobody. They're not like that in, like, they're.
- [42:42]
A
Not that into it.
- [42:43]
B
Antonia now more now because she's such a tiktoker these days, and she's doing some influencing work. She works with a lot of brands.
- [42:49]
A
Oh, she is?
- [42:50]
B
Yeah. Antonia, she does great. Yeah.
- [42:51]
A
But you said she's a natural into it earlier.
- [42:54]
B
She's not into, like, I, I, I. It's hard to explain. Like, she's not.
- [43:00]
A
Did she want, like, a this kind of life or did she. No, no.
- [43:03]
B
If it. If it came to her, like, she would. But she's not like, oh, my God, I want to be in tv.
- [43:07]
A
Oh, no, no. Okay. What is she studying?
- [43:11]
B
She's there for marketing.
- [43:13]
A
So she would want to get, like, a normal job and everything.
- [43:17]
B
No, I know. Just.
- [43:20]
A
No.
- [43:20]
B
I ask her every day, and she's like, I am going to open a business.
- [43:23]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [43:24]
B
Because she's. I think she's in business marketing. Business marketing.
- [43:28]
A
I don't know.
- [43:29]
B
I feel like she's gonna open up a store of her own. Like, she's.
- [43:32]
A
You think she's gonna follow in your footsteps? Huh?
- [43:34]
B
Yeah. And I think legitimate Sprinkle company is. Let's Sprinkle is so big. Like, they'll. Like I said her. If you're smart, you're gonna find how you're gonna expand.
- [43:43]
A
Wow.
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B
And keep it moving. Yeah.
- [43:45]
A
So Joe thought his business was the family business. And look, well, I'm like, okay, the.
- [43:50]
B
Boys definitely want to go into real estate.
- [43:53]
A
They do, yes.
- [43:55]
B
They both say that, but my daughter is kind of like. She's watches me, you know, which I love this.
- [44:02]
A
You know what? I was remembering your. I don't remember what season it was on when you were thinking of another baby or you were thinking of egg freezing. Do you remember that?
- [44:10]
B
Yes. I was 30. Oh, that's what Rosanna was talking about today. I'm like, she's like, you froze all your eggs. I'm like, no, I didn't.
- [44:18]
A
What's all your eggs?
- [44:20]
B
Because we were. We had a fertility doctor on today, on Good Day New York. And she was like, well, you froze all your eggs. I'm like, no, I didn't. I didn't end up. But now.
- [44:28]
A
That's why you didn't end up doing it. You were talking about it.
- [44:31]
B
We were going to do it. They checked me out to see if I can have more. They said, yeah, you're good, you're healthy, you're ready to go. I was 30. It was going to. I was thinking I was turning 38.
- [44:39]
A
That year, and you wanted a. Another one.
- [44:42]
B
I just was feeling it. Like, trust me, you're gonna know what I'm talking about.
- [44:46]
A
Okay.
- [44:46]
B
You feel it at that point when you feel like it's about to end.
- [44:50]
A
Like, I need to decide. It's now or never. Yeah.
- [44:51]
B
And I'm like, And you also feel like having another baby, like, keeps you young, keeps you in the mix. Like, not young, but, like, keeps you in the schools and in elementary school.
- [45:00]
A
How many siblings do you have?
- [45:01]
B
Two. Two sisters. But I was like, an accident. So my sisters are 10 years older than me, and then they're both two years apart, and I'm like, 10 years later.
- [45:09]
A
But you're still close.
- [45:11]
B
Very close. Because 10 years when you turn 20 is nothing. Yeah, but 10 years when you're 10 and 20 is a big deal, Right? So I was always the baby until I turned 20 and they were 30, and then we were all, like, besties, right? Yeah.
- [45:23]
A
So do you remember that itch for the fourth? How did you decide? I remember watching it. I.
- [45:30]
B
It just kind of like, we went. We went through it to see if it was even possible. Yeah, they told me it was possible.
- [45:36]
A
And.
- [45:37]
B
And I wasn't going to. I don't think I was going to freeze my eggs at the time. I wanted to actually, like, get it. I wanted to see it wasn't it. That's why it wasn't about freezing eggs. That's why everybody's confusing me today. It wasn't about Freezing them as much as was.
- [45:50]
A
Am I able to get pregnant?
- [45:52]
B
Could I do this again if I wanted to?
- [45:54]
A
Yeah.
- [45:54]
B
And he said yes, but we didn't end up, I think.
- [45:58]
A
Do you have any regrets there?
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B
No.
- [46:00]
A
No. Oh, that's nice.
- [46:01]
B
I was meant to have three.
- [46:02]
A
Three. Three is a good number.
- [46:04]
B
It is. And now especially I've gotten such so much busier since that. That was 10. Well, no, that was like six years ago. So I had no idea all this was gonna pop up.
- [46:16]
A
Right.
- [46:16]
B
I opened another Envy. My clothing boutique is on Long island now. So I have one in New York, one in New Jersey.
- [46:21]
A
Do you go to the Long island one too?
- [46:23]
B
Yeah, I go there like every two weeks. I'm there. I do all the buying. Nobody does the buying for my stores. I do the full buying for both of my stores. I run that sprinkle company. Like, you know, I have help, obviously, but like, that is all me. Everything is. I'm a creative person when it comes to that. Like, a lot of the marketing, I do have people that help me. I have social media and. But like, that's all me.
- [46:44]
A
Your hands on.
- [46:45]
B
That's me.
- [46:45]
A
Yeah, you go, girl.
- [46:47]
B
Like, on the way here, I was planning like the whole photo shoot for the next, like, drop. Like, that's just. That's me.
- [46:53]
A
When's the next drop?
- [46:55]
B
A Valentine's Day.
- [46:56]
A
Oh, right. Yeah.
- [46:57]
B
That's huge. Because people give. These are gifts. They're huge gifts. They come with a cute little note. So everyone's like. And you have to see how funny some of these notes are. Like, I know you would never throw these in the garbage. Happy Valentine's Day to my sister in law that I love. That I actually do love. Like, it's just like funny, funny things. Like congratulations on your redone home though, right? So if you know the show, you know that that's funny because I wrote that once just stupidly in a card. But like, it's just like all these funny sayings that people send, you know, or like, congratulations on your baby. I know she's gonna love Sprinkle. I know she's gonna be team Sprinkle. Like, and then they send sprinkle for the sprinkle. Right. For the babies. Like, it's a thing.
- [47:40]
A
It's such a thing. Genius.
- [47:42]
B
Yeah. Thank you.
- [47:43]
A
Did Theresa eat sprinkle cookies at Christmas?
- [47:46]
B
She did. She was a good sport. She was a good sport and I appreciate her being a good sport. She. Yeah, she always says, like, sprinkle cookies are not her favorite cookie. But I'm like, but mine's good, you know, Yours is good. Yeah, she ate them. They love my coffee cake. I have like a crumb.
- [47:59]
A
Oh, I love coffee cake.
- [48:01]
B
Crumb. I should have brought you one. You know, I left every.
- [48:03]
A
I love coffee cake.
- [48:04]
B
I know. I'm gonna, I'm gonna send it to you. But ye, the coffee cake's amazing and she loves the coffee cake and so does Louie. They like all love the coffee cake in that house. They just don't, you know, they need to go with the coffee cake, not the sprinkle cookies.
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A
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B
Pretty much everything. Nothing gets. It's very.
- [55:12]
A
Really?
- [55:13]
B
Yeah. I mean, at this point, what could they. What haven't they said? I've been a stripper. I've been.
- [55:22]
A
I know, but that's far fetched. So I feel like that wouldn't offend you.
- [55:25]
B
Yeah.
- [55:26]
A
You know what I mean?
- [55:26]
B
I would say not much.
- [55:28]
A
Not much, no.
- [55:29]
B
I don't like if anyone ever says, like, I wasn't nice or if I was rude, like, they. I'd never get that. Really. So that's. That would bother me because I'm very, like, kind to everyone I meet, and I give everybody a lot of my time when I meet them, I feel like that's the compliment I usually get is that when they meet us, everyone's, like, very, you know, happy.
- [55:48]
A
Yeah.
- [55:49]
B
I don't know what bothers you anything. I mean, I know that's like, a little different if you're not on a TV show.
- [55:54]
A
Right. I feel like with a TV show, that's the thing with you guys. I feel like they feel like they have such crazy access to you, like Bravo fans, and they get so invested in your lives and in your relationship.
- [56:06]
B
Right.
- [56:07]
A
So they get into. I feel like Bravo fans, it's like, you're lucky to have them because obviously. But it's also an intense fandom that could turn, you know.
- [56:17]
B
Yes. So that's like, it's probably always been like that. It's always been like that on Bravo. I've always been pretty lucky in that category. Yeah. Because, like, it's not easy to be on Bravo or Housewives and remain, you know, sane all the time. And, you know, I feel like I'm a pretty level headed.
- [56:36]
A
Yeah, you are.
- [56:37]
B
Yeah, I'm pretty level headed.
- [56:38]
A
Where do you think you got that from? Like, staying cool, calm, collected, and I.
- [56:43]
B
Think it's just me. That's my demeanor, that's my personality. I think a lot of the time before I speak. Yeah, I can be a little impulsive, though, with my actions. When I get mad, I'm impulsive.
- [56:53]
A
And here's the other thing about you, which I'll say, like, you're smart, you know.
- [56:58]
B
Well, thank you.
- [56:59]
A
And not everybody on the show has always been right. So sometimes it very much shows that you're actually smart. Right. Do you get what I mean?
- [57:10]
B
Yes. Okay, I will. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.
- [57:13]
A
I think that also makes things easier. Like, you're able to take a situation.
- [57:18]
B
I, you know, you know what it is? I'm also, like, going to dissect a situation where I'm like. Like, I'm not gonna come. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're my buddy on the show and we're friends and you're wrong, and I'm like, you're acting like an. Yeah, like, hello, you're wrong. But, like, I don't hate you. I know how to get mad at you without hating you.
- [57:39]
A
Yeah.
- [57:40]
B
Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I don't have time for getting that mad.
- [57:44]
A
Right.
- [57:45]
B
Like, life's good. Like, I like to see the glass half full.
- [57:50]
A
Because also, like, you're probably, like, fulfilled in your life.
- [57:53]
B
Right. And I want marriage well for people. I do. I want everyone to do well. I feel like when you do well, I do well. We lift each other up.
- [58:01]
A
I saw you made up with that Kim D. Oh, my God.
- [58:04]
B
Kim T. That's a blast in the past. Yeah.
- [58:07]
A
Lifted her up and everything. You know what?
- [58:09]
B
She's been out of nowhere. She just started becoming very supportive.
- [58:13]
A
Came to your, like, to envy, right?
- [58:15]
B
Yes. She came to my event, but before that, she texted me and she said I was wrong about you. I've been sitting back watching you, and she's like, you're. You know, you're a smart girl. You've always done everything right. I'm really proud of you. You've handled, like, this show like a pro. I think you've navigated it really well. Do you want to hear something funny? She text me this morning when I got off. Good day, New York, because I co hosted today.
- [58:37]
A
She watched.
- [58:38]
B
Yeah. And she was like, you just did so well. Like, I just was like, she's obsessed with you. She's so nice.
- [58:43]
A
Okay. But you know what? My down. I'm like, does Kim D. Want to come back on the show? Probably.
- [58:49]
B
I think she would definitely take it.
- [58:51]
A
If she, like, so how do you know people's motives? Like, I feel like I would also, like, be sus a little bit. Like, the people close to me want an in.
- [59:01]
B
I think I'm at the point now where I don't care. I don't like, you want to be nice. You love it. You like it. I love it. Like, I don't. I'm like, you know what? If you want to be nice, great. Let's be nice. Because I want to be nice. Like, I don't want to fight. Who wants to fight?
- [59:15]
A
Yeah.
- [59:16]
B
I don't want to fight with people.
- [59:17]
A
You don't care if people are being nice to you or trying to get in on the show? Like, I can't. I can't help anyone from the neighborhood. You can't help them.
- [59:26]
B
Anyone who tells them they can get them on the show is lying because.
- [59:29]
A
You need to be, like, interesting on your own.
- [59:31]
B
Yeah. Like, I can love five people and call Bravo all day and say they're the best. They do not care. They need to feel.
- [59:38]
A
They need to feel that way.
- [59:40]
B
So it's like there's cast members maybe that promise people like, I can get. You cannot, you cannot. Nobody's getting anybody on the show and nobody's getting anyone kicked off the show. Oh, that's just not like people think we have control over. We want. I think people try to ice people out.
- [59:55]
A
Yeah.
- [59:56]
B
But 90% of the time it doesn't work.
- [59:58]
A
Yeah. Like you see another Bravo show as well, like won't film with or whatever. Right. Was there a season where you almost didn't come back?
- [60:06]
B
My first season, my very first season, I was very stressed out over the editing. They don't do that anymore, by the way. But like back in the day, they would put scenes together that were two different days. Or you were. You were shaking your head about one thing and it was totally at something else you were shaking your head about.
- [60:25]
A
Uh huh.
- [60:26]
B
So that drove me mad. Like mad. Like to this day, people. This is such a crazy TikTok. People still show me my child in a bat. Little Joey, two months old in a bat costume on Halloween laying. It's the funniest thing now. I could rewatch it all day because it's so cute and so funny. And he had the best costume. He's in a bat costume, like laid down on the floor by my front door. I must have like put him down for a second.
- [60:51]
A
Yeah.
- [60:52]
B
And they like videoed the kid like that. I just like put him on the floor on Halloween. And it was like a scene where it was like, I was like, I want to go out for Halloween. I don't want to do trick or treat anymore. And it showed me like trick or treating for like two seconds with my son. And I was freaked out because I'm like, it's totally different day. I trick or treated for four hours. But yeah, the way it seems like.
- [61:12]
A
Because it painted you as like a bad mom.
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B
Yes. And that is my thing.
- [61:15]
A
Like so that's.
- [61:15]
B
So if you want to cross. Yes.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That's where I lose it. Because I'm like, I'm not that I'm so opposite.
- [61:21]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [61:22]
B
Like I'll. I'll be a bitch. Call me a bitch. I'll be certain things. But like bad mama.
- [61:26]
A
Yeah. That you didn't like. So that was almost like a breaking point. You're like, if you. If this keeps happening, like I wouldn't want to do it.
- [61:33]
B
Right. Exactly.
- [61:34]
A
I get it. Yes. That is rough. So they just stopped doing it. Stop doing stuff like that and editing.
- [61:39]
B
I think that it just changed a lot as a whole, like the editing process and like, they keep it really real right now. Like what you do, what you say is what they're going to show, which I appreciate and I think everybody appreciates.
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A
So the rumors right now is that there's you, Theresa, Dolores and Jen. Those are the rumors. Would you.
- [61:59]
B
That's not like there's. That's probably not true either.
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A
It's probably not true.
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B
No, there's.
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A
If you got to pick and then.
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B
If it's another day, you hear it's another group.
- [62:07]
A
Yeah. If you got to pick your. The perfect group for you at this.
- [62:11]
B
Point, I don't know. Because we're too divided. And this is why I think Bravo is struggling. Struggling. Because if you ask me that question, I can't barely answer it.
- [62:22]
A
Because you don't know, like, what going.
- [62:23]
B
On because it's too divided right now with certain people and certain things and certain. I just feel like I don't know how that would go.
- [62:30]
A
Who are you close with right now? So we know you're made up with Theresa.
- [62:33]
B
Yes, I'm close with everyone.
- [62:35]
A
Margaret. I saw you with her at the.
- [62:37]
B
Margaret. Jen Fessler, Dolores Rachel Futa, Danielle Cabral. I don't talk to Jennifer.
- [62:45]
A
Danielle Cabral is so fun. She's so sweet. She is. And she really is like a good.
- [62:50]
B
She wears her like. She shows you how exciting, how excited she gets for all of this.
- [62:54]
A
I saw. I met her and I experienced that.
- [62:57]
B
She's very nice. Very, very sweet. You know what? She text me today? She was one of the people who text.
- [63:03]
A
How did everyone know? Like, they just.
- [63:05]
B
Everybody was watching.
- [63:05]
A
They were watching it. That's nice.
- [63:07]
B
She text me today and said, you did such a great job. I was like, thank you.
- [63:11]
A
See, everyone's being nice right now. Melissa. Everyone's being so.
- [63:15]
B
No, but I think she meant it because deep down I feel like that's something that she would really love to do.
- [63:20]
A
Like.
- [63:20]
B
Yeah, so that' that's why I think she roots for. For that.
- [63:24]
A
That's amazing. I love that. Girls. What do you call girls? Girls.
- [63:28]
B
She's a girls girl.
- [63:29]
A
Girls girl.
- [63:29]
B
Yeah.
- [63:30]
A
Do you speak to the Manzos that those seasons.
- [63:32]
B
I just saw Caroline and Lauren in a local restaurant in Jersey.
- [63:36]
A
Like, like they just happen to be.
- [63:39]
B
There and we just happen to be there. And Joe and I were like, is that Caroline Manzo?
- [63:43]
A
Yeah.
- [63:43]
B
Yeah. And we walked up to her last from the past. She was there. It was so funny. She was actually eating dinner with Lauren's ex husband's new fiance. I Was like, wow, see, this would be interesting.
- [63:56]
A
You know, listen, those were the days. And.
- [63:59]
B
And Lauren's daughter. Lauren's daughter.
- [64:01]
A
Wow.
- [64:02]
B
With the. With the new fiance.
- [64:03]
A
So it was nice to see them. It was like, it was very nice to see them.
- [64:06]
B
I always loved the Manzos.
- [64:07]
A
What about Jacqueline? Loretta, Right.
- [64:09]
B
Haven't seen her, but in 10 years, I. I feel like I've never had a true argument with Jacqueline. I never. I will say I never understood why she suddenly, like, lost it on me on the last, like, scene that she was on the show and we were no longer friends. But it was not by my choice. Like, she just. It was all her choosing. When I made up with Theresa, when Theresa came home from prison and she was just mad and I never even came for her. Never said anything wrong about her. I never had a problem with her. So I was always confused why she just didn't like. She just no longer liked me. And then I think she went on a couple podcasts, like, not that long. Just started talking out of nowhere. I'm like, I haven't seen you in chat.
- [64:51]
A
What is she up to?
- [64:52]
B
I have no idea.
- [64:53]
A
What about Danielle? Stop.
- [64:54]
B
She DMed me recently. I know she DM me recently and just said something nice, like, very nice. And I said something nice back. I wish you well. Hope everything's good.
- [65:04]
A
Really?
- [65:05]
B
Isn't that crazy?
- [65:05]
A
Like, she responded to maybe like a story or something.
- [65:07]
B
Yeah, I want to say that. Or. Or. Or she saw that. You know what? I think I saw a photo of her daughter and I liked it somewhere.
- [65:15]
A
Like when she got excited that you liked it.
- [65:17]
B
Yes. And she said, I appreciate you like, liking that. Yes. Which was nice. I will say. She. Oh, she's amazing. She raised amazing children.
- [65:25]
A
Yeah.
- [65:25]
B
Good kids. They're smart girls and, you know, they're great.
- [65:29]
A
Sometimes kids that are raised like, in, I feel like different environments where, like a single mom, you know, they actually more independent. Yeah. That's why with my kids, I'm like trying to collect.
- [65:43]
B
I feel like that's why I'm the way I am.
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A
Because you had a different circumstance growing up. Yeah. It's crazy.
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That's why, like, that's why I can do it on my own. Like, I was like always. I always just do it on my own.
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A
See, how do we get our kids, like, to have that when their home life is.
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B
That's what I'm good and that's what I'm scared about.
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A
You gotta them up a little.
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B
We have to them up, like, leave them at school.
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A
Don't Pick them up one day, right?
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B
Like, figure it out. I had to walk home from high school school East a couple times. Figure it out. Like, mom, you forgot my lunch. Well, go ask someone to borrow an apple.
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A
I know.
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B
Like, figure it out. I'm not leaving the city and driving to New Jersey.
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A
But you are.
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B
But most the time I do.
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A
Yeah. So that's the thing. We need to think about that.
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B
And now they're like doordash. I'm like, no one's home for dinner. I used to make a Mac and cheese if no one's. If my mom wasn't home for dinner, you'd make. I make a bologna sandwich for yourself. A bologna sandwich. Like, like they're over door dash and like full blown Hamachi meals and sushi are showing up to my front door and I'm getting a charge like 54.99. I'm like, no, this is not.
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A
Wait, how old are the boys now?
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B
18 and 15.
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A
So going to call. But like, you're gonna be an empty nester completely. And like.
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B
No, no, stop saying that.
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A
No, absolutely.
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B
Joey's a sophomore.
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A
Fifteen, right? Sophomore, junior, senior.
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B
Yeah. We got a couple years.
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A
Yeah, not yet.
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B
And Antonio will be back by the time Joey leaves, so it's never gonna happen for me. Not this girl. No, no, no.
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A
This girl.
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B
And Gino. Gino wants to work with Joe.
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A
I think it stays in the fam with you Italians. That's nice.
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B
Yeah, I know, it's.
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A
I know Italians know how to like stay with their fam.
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B
Yeah, they do, you know.
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A
Yeah, she's thinking about it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Quick game before you go. Okay. Trend you're sick of. Like, this is first thing that comes to mind. Trend. A trend you're sick of. We'll edit it. Like you said, it's super quickly.
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B
The tick tock dances.
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A
The dances, you can't get down with them.
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B
Like, I'm sick of having to keep up with, like, oh, what's the trend?
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A
What's the trend? So she's. She's the trend. She's sick of his trends. A celeb you think is misunderstood?
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B
Billy Bob Thornton. I don't think about anything else. I just want to go home right now so I can watch the next character.
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A
Misunderstood.
- [68:04]
B
No, Billy Bob Thorne's always been missing.
- [68:06]
A
I, by the way, heard that he's like nicest, chillest, like rock star life, like right now, in his life.
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B
So fixated on him right now.
- [68:16]
A
Like, what? You're like, turned on.
- [68:19]
B
Oh, God. I mean, listen. No, but like, I think he's a handsome man. I always thought he had that, like, he has sex. He's got that, like.
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A
Like rugged rug.
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B
That's the word.
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A
I was looking because we're still thinking of him showing up to the premiere with Angela. Angelina, like, French kiss. Right. With the blood. Like, that's where we're.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So he's your most misunderstood. That is the funniest.
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B
Like, I can't wait to go and watch the next episode.
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A
Yeah. You're just thinking of Billy Bob Thorne.
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B
Yeah.
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A
A Bravo opinion that would get you yelled at. Like a hot Bravo take.
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B
There's so many.
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A
There's so many.
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B
And I'm scared.
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A
Do you watch, like, what's your favorite Bravo show? That's not yours?
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B
I like Beverly Hills. I will go on the fact that, like, I do feel like Beverly Hills does get away with murder a little bit.
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A
Yeah.
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B
With. When it comes to, like, not telling us everything, we're like. Jersey has to say, like, we get in trouble if we don't tell you what we ate yesterday, let alone who we're dating.
- [69:15]
A
Yeah. You know, so are you talking about, like, Kyle?
- [69:19]
B
No, but I feel like. Like they all have. They're all. Not just Kyle. I feel like Kyle's now open and.
- [69:24]
A
More open about it. Yeah.
- [69:25]
B
I don't know. I just feel like they get to do a lot of interacting amongst, like, whatever goes on when they're together.
- [69:33]
A
Yeah.
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B
We don't have to hear what happened in the past with them all the time or, like, who they're dating. Like, now Erica has a new boyfriend. Like, I want to know who Erica's dating.
- [69:41]
A
Of their personal life. That's interesting.
- [69:44]
B
Eric. I love her.
- [69:46]
A
Yeah.
- [69:46]
B
And so I want to know everything.
- [69:47]
A
We want to know more.
- [69:48]
B
I want to see what he looks like.
- [69:50]
A
A moment that you wish cameras missed.
- [69:53]
B
The christening.
- [69:54]
A
The christening.
- [69:55]
B
Oh, yeah. That was hard. I cried for three weeks after that.
- [69:59]
A
Oh, wow.
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B
Cried, quit. Cried, quit. Oh, yeah. I called. I was like, good bye. Like motherfuckers, basically.
- [70:09]
A
And then came back.
- [70:10]
B
Yeah. I crawled under my bed and Joe had to pull me out. I wouldn't go to the pickup line at school and pick up my kids. I was like, who am I? What did I do? I ruined our lives.
- [70:19]
A
Wow.
- [70:20]
B
Yeah. I was upset.
- [70:21]
A
Could you watch that episode now? And, like, not now.
- [70:25]
B
It's like, forever.
- [70:25]
A
Yeah. Now you're. You're past that.
- [70:27]
B
Fifteen years later, I think I'm past it. I'm like, okay. I know how this story goes.
- [70:31]
A
Yeah.
- [70:31]
B
Yeah.
- [70:32]
A
You're amazing. I love you.
- [70:33]
B
Thank you. Thank you for coming to you. And you're killing it.
- [70:36]
A
You're killing it.
- [70:36]
B
Everyone just loves listening to you. You have, like, something about you that's, like, trustworthy and peaceful and, like, chill and like, you're so interesting.
- [70:46]
A
I appreciate.
- [70:46]
B
You really are.
- [70:47]
A
So glad that we met.
- [70:48]
B
Thank you.
- [70:48]
A
And we're so cute together. I love us.
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B
Thanks for having me.
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A
Thank you for coming. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next time Tuesday.
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B
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