Morgan Stewart: Meant to Be Famous

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat – Morgan Stewart: Meant to Be Famous

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Morgan Stewart
Date: April 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features a lively, unfiltered conversation between Amanda Hirsch and Morgan Stewart (reality star, TV host, fashion entrepreneur). The two Gemini women dive into Morgan’s path through fame, the evolution of her career from reality TV to fashion and podcasting, motherhood, navigating anxiety, and remaining authentic in the public eye. Expect candid reflections on success, failures, pop culture, fashion, and what it means to be "meant to be famous".

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

Summer House Drama (00:01–09:44)

• Amanda gives her take on the “Summer House” scandal, sharing insider context from her interactions with the cast at an event.
• She comments on the dynamics of Amanda, Wes, Sierra, and Kyle, emphasizing industry and fan reactions.
• Amanda underscores the fickleness of fame and how quickly individuals switch from being universally adored to cast out.
  • “When you’re up, you’re up... All of a sudden, you’re down, nobody wants to be associated with you. It’s crazy.” – Amanda (08:31)
• Reflections on whether the show has become outdated in real time due to how fast situations develop.
• Transition to the introduction of Morgan Stewart as today’s guest.

First Impressions & Astrological Bonds (09:44–13:53)

• Amanda and Morgan are meeting in person for the first time, but their rapport is instant due to prior online connection.
• Both bond over being May Geminis, discussing celebrity Gemini dynamics and astrological charts with playful self-awareness.
  • “Sorry to everyone who’s not one, but it’s...such a sparkle sign.” – Morgan (11:35)
• Lighthearted debate on astrology’s significance in their lives and relationships.

The Reluctant Podcaster – Morgan’s New Venture (14:41–18:22)

• Amanda brings up Morgan’s new project—her podcast, The Morgan Stewart Show.
• Morgan admits she was hesitant to start a podcast, feeling it was too common, yet found herself drawn in by the need for creative freedom.
  • “I was like, I’m on TV. I don’t need to do a podcast. But then there was no more TV, and then TV didn’t come back again, so I was like, ‘Oh well...’” – Morgan (15:44)
• She values the unfiltered nature of podcasting—“people get to see all sides of me.”
• Shares the failure of a recent TV pilot even with celebrity guests like Joe Jonas, highlighting the unpredictability of the industry.

Personality, Authenticity & Dealing with Hate (18:38–21:30)

• Morgan and Amanda discuss the “ick” they get from labels like “content creator.”
• Morgan reflects on how people may misinterpret her confidence or luxury lifestyle as inauthentic.
• They discuss owning their roles and businesses with pride, moving past minimizing their professional identities.
  • “That comes with maturity, right?” – Amanda (21:29)

Beauty, Aging, and Transparency (26:53–30:01)

• Morgan talks about facing aging, considering cosmetic procedures like brow lifts, and the pressure to always look good.
• Candidly mentions struggles with whether she’d be forthcoming about work she’s done.
  • “I’ll probably tell everyone because I need to tell everyone everything first before they say it or think it.” – Morgan (27:53)

Anxiety, Motherhood, and Health (30:05–34:12)

• Both women openly share about living with anxiety—medicated and not.
• Discussion of postpartum health challenges and hormonal imbalances, with Morgan being honest about her journey back to emotional and physical balance.
  • “After babies, I was just so destroyed internally... now I have to, like, eat food.” – Morgan (32:08)
• The role of food, body image, and changing eating habits in managing mental health.

Fame Aspirations & Reality TV Beginnings (34:21–38:40)

• Morgan describes growing up knowing she wanted to be famous, with no backup plan.
  • "Oh, famous. Oh no. There was absolutely no other alternative." – Morgan (34:24)
• Story of starting her blog “Boobs and Loubs” after college, which led to her getting cast on “Rich Kids of Beverly Hills.”
• Self-awareness about being a late bloomer and using humor as her superpower.

Reality TV, E! Years, and Navigating Career Doubts (38:43–43:35)

• Morgan recounts being cast on “Rich Kids,” its organic flow from her real life, and the eventual transition to hosting and producing multiple shows at E!
• The pain and acceptance when TV projects or pilots fail.
• She discusses her career longevity in contrast to influencers who “blow up and explode...I’m going to be around forever.” (42:43)
• Amanda and Morgan both emphasize playing the “long game” in entertainment.

Events, Fashion, and the Met Gala (43:35–45:12)

• Morgan confesses she dislikes most industry events—except for big ones like the Met Gala.
  • “If the Met called, I’m going.” – Morgan (43:40)
• Discussion of being a morning person due to motherhood, and routines with kids.

Parenting Styles & Upbringing (51:48–58:02)

• Morgan is firm about being “two and done” with kids and hands-on as a mother despite help.
  • “I am their mother. And they know that.” – Morgan (52:42)
• Honest chat about being type A and B moms—debunking the myth that parents everywhere are super prepared at all times.
• Lamenting the changes in food culture from their own childhoods to now.

Style, Judgment, and Fashion Philosophy (64:03–66:32)

• Amanda expresses nervousness about dressing for Morgan.
• Morgan clarifies: “People think I am more judgmental than I am. I’m observing.” (64:24)
• Not motivated by status labels—she buys high-end for quality and investment, not to show off.
  • “I’m in Chanel because A, I think it’s cute and B, I think it’s going to be in my closet for the rest of my life and then in my daughters’.” – Morgan (65:41)

Fashion Icons & Industry Insights (66:13–69:00)

• The Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy fashion phenomenon and Morgan’s skepticism about following trends blindly.
• Discussion of Morgan’s fashion icons: Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, Jackie Kennedy, Lauren Santo Domingo.
• Candid stories of crossing paths with icons, starstruck moments, and fan-girling.

Behind-the-Scenes of Wrangley & Fashion Business (75:01–75:57)

• Origins of Morgan’s clothing brand, Wrangley—named after her and her daughter’s middle name, from her mother’s Swiss maiden name.
• Focus on building the brand as a long-term, passionate venture, seeking quality retail partnerships.

Pop Culture: Style, Hot Takes & Stars (71:40–73:13)

• Quick-fire takes on Timothée Chalamet, Emma Chamberlain, and current fashion styling in Hollywood.
• Morgan’s take on “hot girls” and how trends come and go.

Motherhood Realness & Manifesting (78:58–79:55)

• Both reflect on juggling big professional launches with family transitions (podcast launch, daughter starting kindergarten).
• Morgan: “I’m manifesting it goes well...I’m manifesting a good transition for my daughter to go into kindergarten. I’m manifesting good hair color. I’m manifesting feeling rested.” (79:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I was failing every class. I could not pass a class. My emotional maturity happened so much later. And so did, like, my brain formed later.” – Morgan (34:25)
• “This is the most doubt I’ve ever felt in my career at this moment...at the intersection of podcast and not famous person.” – Morgan (39:01)
• “I’m not motivated by brand names for identity or to prove something. I’m buying them for quality.” – Morgan (65:16)
• “If you’re not obsessed with me, going to that event isn’t going to change it.” – Morgan (43:15)
• Amanda and Morgan riff on the struggles and wins of enduring in the entertainment industry, with regular callbacks to their authenticity and commitment to being themselves.

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Timestamps by Segment

• 00:01–09:44 – Amanda’s Summer House deep dive, pop culture context
• 09:44–13:53 – Gemini bonding, astrology, first impressions
• 14:41–18:22 – Morgan’s podcast journey, TV vs digital
• 18:38–21:30 – Authenticity, public perception, career labels
• 26:53–30:01 – Beauty, aging, being honest about cosmetic work
• 30:05–34:12 – Anxiety, medication, postpartum struggles
• 34:21–38:40 – “Meant to be famous,” growing up with fame aspirations
• 38:43–43:35 – Reality TV journey, E! network years, career setbacks and comebacks
• 43:35–45:12 – Events, Met Gala reveries, life with kids
• 51:48–58:02 – Parenting philosophies, food and childhood, being a “snackless” parent
• 64:03–66:32 – Fashion standards, observer vs. judger, investment pieces vs. labels
• 66:13–69:00 – Fashion icons, meeting Mary Kate and Ashley, celebrity run-ins
• 75:01–75:57 – Founding Wrangley, fashion business realities
• 71:40–73:13 – Pop culture rapid-fire, style, Timothée Chalamet
• 78:58–79:55 – Mom life, manifesting big moments

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Episode Vibe & Takeaways

The episode’s tone is comedic, irreverent, and self-aware. Morgan radiates confidence, humor, and refreshing directness. Amanda creates a relaxed, warm space, letting the conversation flow between humor and real talk. At its core, this chat celebrates career resilience, style without snobbery, the messiness of modern motherhood, and what it means to be authentic—whether you’re up, down, or somewhere in between.

Listener Takeaway:
Whether you dream of fame or crave authenticity, Morgan Stewart’s story is a testament to carving your own lane, owning your quirks, and not apologizing for evolving—or for wanting to be “meant to be famous.”

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. Happy Tuesday. How is everybody doing? I just did the Jeff Lewis radio show. I love live radio. It's so fun. First of all, like, it has that extra layer of, like, just invigorating because you're like, it's live. Like, there's nothing to do if I say something dumb. So that's kind of nice. It gives you, like, a nice adrenaline rush. And it's just nice because it's so timely. Like, you're talking about, like, right now versus, like, even the central. I'm recording a few days before. Like, last week, I recorded the intro about summer. Summerhouse stuff and how much happened after I recorded that. I, like, recorded when it was, like, rumors. And then by the time it came out, which was only three days, it was confirmed. There was a statement. I mean, like, what the helly, really? Anyway, but that does not mean I'm not going to talk about Summer House in today's intro, because I have to, because it is all consuming. I already went through cycles of, like, it consumed me. Then I said, I'm done. Like, I need to, like, go back to living my life. And then, you know, every piece of information that comes out, you're. You're in it again. I think for me, one of the most shocking things is just that it happened in general. Like, it's just, how were we? I'm not saying it was brewing in Summer House. Like, I don't know if I believe the rumors that, like, something was starting there, but I will say this. Oh, this is what I wanted to tell you, which is, you know, interesting and timely because I haven't shared this before, but, like, maybe I did when I did the threads event and all the Summer House people were there. And, like, I met Wes. I was like, Wes can get out, like, Bella Hadid vibes. Like, Wes can get it. Like, I even told him to his face. I was like, you come out. You're so much better in real life. Like, taller. And he was like, yeah, like, everyone says that to me. But not only does he look better irl, he was also, like, warm, interested in. You asked me questions like, when did you realize this is what you wanted to do? And just, like, so warm. And, like, when he laughs with you, he, like, touches you. And, like, I like warm people. And that is just, like, when I'm trying to make sense of the scandal is that Amanda and I saw comments about this. Like, we know how insecure Amanda was. We know she said in the episode, I can't do better than Kyle. Then let's say her and Wes have a really close friendship, which I would. At least. I at first thought that maybe her and Sierra were just, like, drifting apart because Amanda is too close to Wes. Like, friends vibes. And it's like, over there, she says she's, like, a stoner, so maybe smoking weed all day, doing mukbangs, whatever. And then, like, you know, he's listening, he's touching her when he's talking. He's super warm. He's super flirty by nature, you know, and then this happens. So what I. That's just the context I want to give about, like, I met west and I saw it firsthand. Like, how he is charismatic, wins you over, warm, touchy, feely, interested. All the things. Of course. Of course. Like, I don't think it needs to be said that you're team Sierra. Like, I love that people are saying it. Like, pop the off. But, like, no one's team Amanda and West right now. Like, no one's. Like, no worm. I did see somebody make a video that they ship them, and I was like, are you okay? Like, the. The fact of the matter is they're probably not together right now. The video that Kyle did outside of his apartment, by the way, Kyle is slipping, you guys. Like, Kyle is living. He's making lover boy videos. Lover boy is posting, like, support our business. Like, by the way, everyone wants to cash in on this. It's the same as scandal. All of a sudden, everyone's active on social media. Everyone's posting their reaction shots, which, by the way, I saw somebody said this. These reaction shots also feel a bit tacky to me because, like, I know that if my friends were involved in this kind of thing, like, I would be just so, like, if I would talk about it, then I would talk about it, but I wouldn't, like, make a stupid eighth grade, you know, photo of, like, me making a face. Like, no, if I would talk about it, then I would talk about and be like, this is up. Blah, blah, blah. But I just feel like this is such a serious matter, and you guys are just, like, posting stills of you, like, making a face. Like, I just. I'm not into it. Like, I'm not. Not into it. I also don't believe and you guys know this about me beating people when they're down. Like, they are down. Okay. They're down. They know they up. They know the world is against them. They know the world is with Sierra. Okay. I love how we don't say and Kyle, but like Kyle, you guys have to understand, like, yes. Could Kyle be hurt by this? Could Kyle feel like Wes is his friend, Amanda is his hex. She could do whatever she wants. Is Kyle, like, hurt? Probably in some sense somewhere. Maybe he's looking back, thinking things. But I'm telling you guys, this is Kyle's redemption arc. And you guys, I, by the way, again met Kyle and threads event. He's so fun. He's so great. Wouldn't want him as my partner. Would want him as a going out buddy, friend. Like, he's so kind to me. He's so great. But I will say he is living this up right now. It's good for him. I don't think he wants to see Amanda suffer, but I think it's like, oh, my God, if you're watching the season without this happening, you're anti Kyle. Which he was having that moment and now you're not anti Kyle. You forgot about it. You're buying, lover boy. You guys, you know, there was a brand deal Amanda got kicked out of. Not kicked out. They. They were supposed to post Edie Parker. I believe they posted a thing with her and it was for charity and they took it down and replaced the model, which I was fine with that. Like, fine. Not the good time to have Amanda as your face of the business. But I think I posted that. I. It's just like beating people when they're down. Like, this Narci comment was kind of like new model. And it's like, you know, you loved Amanda two seconds ago and it's like, when you're up, you're up. Like, you guys have to remember that when you're up, you're up. Everyone wants you. Everyone's wants a piece you. West got a article written about him in Interview magazine. Like, when you're up, you're up. Everyone wants you. You say no to a bunch of shit. All of a sudden you're down. Nobody wants to be associated with you. It's crazy. And the question is, you know, whether Amanda and Wes, it's the end of their road, whether they're going to be treated like Sandoval and Raquel. By the way, Sandoval went on to do a bunch of reality shows. Raquel is Somewhere in Arizona doing sound baths. I just know one thing for sure and, and I posted this like you. Sierra is going to be so good, you guys. Like, I'm sure this was the worst week of her life or even more time when she was like hearing the rumors. By the way, I don't know if I believe all the rumors about the PI and investigative things. However, we did see the blind about the video coming in that she saw a video, which I did hear about that she saw. Like a fan took a video through the window of Wes and Amanda and she met up with the fan to confirm that it was true. She wanted like proof, which is so like movie. But, but what I'm saying is like she went up by like 200,000 followers already. She will, you know, I, I think, and I've said this from the beginning, be on the Ariana on steroids track and she's gonna look back and also I saw somebody say this, which is true. This is gonna cement like she's done with West. Like, let's look at the bright side. She's gonna cement that. That's it. Like there is no more looking back at Wes and maybe she'll realize like he was a fuckboy along, by the way. He's a fuckboy. Amanda, like, yeah, I, I saw somebody say like, well, they have to get married now. Like west and Amanda, like, if you're gonna do something like this, then please stay together and be like, this is true love. We can't help it. Except it's not. And except already things are coming out that he was around with so many other girls and it's like, so all of this for what? But they probably thought nobody would ever find this out, nobody would ever know. But like that's now how not how it works when you're in the public eye. And of course I think it goes without saying, like, this was a fucked up thing to do. Sierra was an amazing friend to Amanda. Amanda could have gone for any other guy in the world. But like Sierra's dying love, like, of course it's mind boggling, fud up, horrible friend. But you know, I always will believe that. Like, that doesn't mean we need to destroy a person's life. I saw somebody comment like, this would be my 13th reason that's telling somebody to go kill themselves. And that's not okay. And I don't think we should be doing that to anybody. But listen, I also said this at the very beginning. We're going to continue watching Summer House. I think the next episodes are Going to be like Sierra and West starting their romance again, which is fudgeing crazy. Like, the timing. Then we're going to roll into the city. And I also said this at the beginning, and then a lot of people were saying it after me that, like, the city is irrelevant now because, like, we are so far behind. We are watching right now in April, which, like, April is practically the summer. Okay. May, June, July. We're watching last year right now. A year, you guys. Things change in a day. I also heard that the reunion is supposed to be filmed in two to three weeks and move that ish up. Anyway, enough on Summer House. I just think that everybody knows Summer House, but I guess not everybody does if you don't. Let's get into today's episode. I've wanted to podcast with this woman for so long. I knew from the moment I laid my Instagram eyes on her that we would vibe that she is a fun, funny girl, that she is just, like, one of a kind. She is real, she is raw, and she's herself, and I. I love her for it. I always agree with her fashion takes. And she has a new podcast coming out. Morgan Stewart. Morgan Stewart is here. And too many Geminis, you guys. So get the ready for it.

[B]

Did you use a makeup artist today? You look great.

[A]

I feel like I do my own makeup fine.

[B]

For me, it's an eye thing. I just look more tired in the

[A]

eyes if they don't do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like my hair, you don't know how to do. So this is just kind of my hair.

[B]

Is it swooping?

[A]

No, because I didn't have a person do it right, so. But I'm okay with it. You know, I'm also like, that's my vibe.

[B]

Luckily, it's kind of my vibe, too.

[A]

Well, no, it's not. Your vibe is very put together

[B]

when you guys watch this podcast. We're good. We're started. We're set. Hi.

[A]

Hi, babe.

[B]

Hi, babe. First of all. Wait, can we go?

[A]

I cannot believe you feel so far.

[B]

Oh, you. Oh. I was like. Am I.

[A]

No, no. I mean, like, physically.

[B]

Physically, yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I can't believe this is the first time we're meeting.

[A]

I know you were shocked. Did you think we. Did you actually think we met?

[B]

I just felt. No, but I also felt like I've known you for 100 years.

[A]

I know a lot. I feel like we started talking when I did e. Something right. You were doing nightly at the time.

[B]

Can you. I don't remember anything. So did. Did you. What did you do?

[A]

For I did the rundown. Like, I filled in for Aaron on maternity leave.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I was so excited about.

[B]

That Was amazing. Yes. I love Aaron so much.

[A]

Yeah. And you were doing nightly pop, and I think Bev. Member Bev, of course.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I know. What do you mean?

[B]

I literally. She texted me last week and was like, are you in town? I just told.

[A]

I think either told me or told you. Like, you would vibe like you would love each other, but, like, we never ended up meeting that time. But I think that's when we started communicating.

[B]

Right. Okay. And then we found out we're both May Geminis.

[A]

May Geminis. Which isn't it so funny? Like, when you find out someone's a May Gemini and you know you love them before, you're like, of course. Because of course.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

And there are so many that I can't remember any of them right this second. But it's like. Sorry. Where the fudgeing cool is. I don't know what to do.

[B]

The coolest and the best ever. And the fact that we have, like, the worst. The best ever. No, I'm not sorry. Sorry to everyone who's not one. But it's. It's such a sparkle sign.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's very specific, though.

[A]

You're a star.

[B]

You're a star immediately. But you have to be. Maybe if you're June.

[A]

Who are June? Do you have an example? The men aren't good, though. You have to admit that.

[B]

I. I've never dated a Gemini man, and I don't want to.

[A]

But you have friends. Made Gemini friends one. Okay. Do you love her?

[B]

Roxy from Rich Kids is the only major.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. She's born May 21st. I'm the 22nd.

[A]

Are you good with Tauruses?

[B]

I do like Taurus a lot. I'm. But in. My Venus is in Taurus.

[A]

Oh, I don't know what my Venus is. I'm not that deep into it.

[B]

You're walking around with not knowing that information because. What's your husband's sign?

[A]

Taurus. That's.

[B]

Okay. So your Venus is probably in Taurus.

[A]

So I love, like, I feel like he is, like, the balancey Taurus, you know?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then I have other people in my life who are like that, and I'm always like, okay, that makes sense. Because, like, I know my husband is like that, and it works, you know, like, balances, you know, I'm all about it. But anyway, new. Like, what else could you be? Imagine you were like, Aries. Like, it wouldn't make sense.

[B]

I'm Aries Moon. Do you know your moon? No.

[A]

Oh, Sag.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

Or cancer.

[B]

I think it's. You're probably Sag Rising cancer Moon. But I don't know. I'm, like, making up charts.

[A]

Is it you to be into astrology?

[B]

Yeah, but by the way, I was just thinking, like, how we haven't even started. I'm already talking about astrology. Like, I have to find something else to talk about. Oh, yeah. It's becoming, like, one of those things. Like, it's literally I have a rotation of things of, like, how my husband and I got back together. Astrology, and, like, my dead family members. Like, that is all I'm talking about. I'm like, okay, we got to move on, you know?

[A]

I need to show you this clip of Penn Badgley on my pod freaking out about astrology.

[B]

He's so cute, that boy.

[A]

You love him.

[B]

I love him.

[A]

You're being turned on by a lot of boys today.

[B]

Am I? I said one boy was decently cute. This is how rumors get started. I was like, who are these cute boys?

[A]

No, by the way, I love it. I feel like my husband tamed my. You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I, you know, let me live.

[B]

Yeah, you. Well, you're.

[A]

Let me say boys are cute.

[B]

You should be saying that.

[A]

I should be saying it more to everyone. By the way, I do about celebs. Like, I literally post me. I'm, like, salivating over Jacob Elordi. Like, it's not normal, you know?

[B]

Did you see the movie?

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

I didn't either. That's very May Jem of us. That's very may of us to be like, we love it. We didn't see it.

[A]

Like, talk about it obsessively.

[B]

I don't see it.

[A]

I have never seen it.

[B]

I just can't get myself to a movie theater. Is that bad?

[A]

I would love to go, but. But I can't make myself go.

[B]

And we're never going to go, right? Like, it's going to come out, and then we're going to watch it on tv.

[A]

I am waiting for it to stream, which every actor hates. Even when they come on to promote something. I'm like, but when is it streaming? And they're. All they're trying to do is sell, like, movie tickets.

[B]

I love that you asked them that.

[A]

But is it going to come to streaming? Please let me know. Things are coming fast, by the way there.

[B]

It's like two months later. When we were kids, it was like, it took five years.

[A]

Wait do you want to move the mic a little bit?

[B]

No, I just, like. I'm really. I'm very into the, like, the mic placement now. I always have somebody, like, fidgeting with a mic in front of me, so I like to make sure I can, like, move out of it and get

[A]

used to the mic, baby. Because you're starting a whole pod.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Do you feel. I feel like when you posted about the new pod, the Morgan Stewart show.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You. I don't know if you posted it this way, or. I just, like, kind of read your undertones. You're like, fine.

[B]

That's what happened.

[A]

I'll fudgeing. Do it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Was that it?

[B]

You have a very infectious laugh.

[A]

Has anyone ever told you that infectious, like, makes you want to get off?

[B]

Yeah, you have a very. It's like a very warm, fun laugh. I love people like that. I have one person in my life that has an infectious laugh, and now two. But. But it was very. It was very, like, okay. I felt like, okay, I have no options. I need to get back to work.

[A]

Everyone tune in.

[B]

Everyone tune in. By the way, it's going to be an amazing show. It's meant to. I just didn't think it was going to be in that particular medium, and I wanted to be really honest about that. And I had been for so long on my social media. Like, I am never doing a podcast. I'm never. So now I'm like, well, wait, forget I said that, because I need you to come along for this ride, actually, and, like, support me and make sure we do well.

[A]

Why were you, like, hating on this medium? Did you feel like everyone has one?

[B]

I felt like everyone has one. I felt like it was really attainable. It's definitely much more difficult than I thought. But I also was like, I'm on tv.

[A]

Like, I'm on TV girl.

[B]

I'm a TV girl. I don't need to do a podcast. But then there was no more tv, and then TV didn't come back again, so I was like, oh, well. Like, I can't just, like, have lunch and have kids. Like, I have to do something.

[A]

Were you. You mentioned a pilot.

[B]

I shot a pilot. It went.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Those were my sound effects. That was pretty good, right?

[A]

No, I know. Amazing.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Wait, so you shot a pilot? That means, like, was it a documentary about your life?

[B]

No, no, no, no. It was like a. Well, I don't really want to say.

[A]

Not documentary. Reality tv.

[B]

It was sort of. Sort of. It was just a pilot of, like, what I wanted My show to be.

[A]

Which if.

[B]

If that show comes to fruition, I'm going to leave that. You know, I'm so mysterious. But I did a whole day. Joe Jonas was a. Was a guest as a favor to me, because he's a friend of mine or a friend of my husband's, and we pitched it, and it went nowhere.

[A]

Did you pitch it everywhere? Okay.

[B]

Yep, we did. Everywhere.

[A]

It's a hard knock. Life.

[B]

Oh, beyond. And it was all like, we love you. You're so funny.

[A]

But what. It's not right for right now.

[B]

Yeah, but, you know, they don't know. I mean, I love executives, but they're all the same. They're all like, it's not. It's good for. And then, you know, then they're like, wait, what about that show that we passed on five times?

[A]

Would you have thought to do it for, like, YouTube?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No, just because I.

[A]

It's funny. It's like whenever I have, like, general meetings with, like, you know, there's always a general meeting if I could say no, but then I'm like, how dumb would I be to not. Like, you have to take. You know what I mean? But, you know, it's so general, you know, that it's like, whatever. But I'm always like, tv. And my. My line that I say, and it's so true, right? TV put me on is that obviously we could be told nobody's watching. We could be told one person is watching TV or has a cable box,

[B]

and we're like, we want to be.

[A]

We want to be on. Like, for some reason, there's something about. Like, when I asked about the YouTube, like, I would have the same thing. Like, no, I want to be on tv.

[B]

Well, also, just, like, the logistics, like, I'm not going to do that myself. Like, I basically need to, like, you eat the mic. I'm so claustrophobic with these mics. Like, it's 20, 26. I have a robot telling me everything. But we need this microphone. It's insane.

[A]

Do you want to move it a little bit from your mouth?

[B]

No. Well, it's just, like, coming inside of

[A]

me all the time. You're like.

[B]

Like, is this mic okay? This is why I said no to having a podcast, because I couldn't deal with the mic.

[A]

But you're gonna be able to deal. You're gonna kill it and be like, why didn't I start it sooner?

[B]

I hope so. I'm really excited about it because it is the first project that I get to have that it is My unfiltered opinion about a lot of different things. It's not like you're on TV after we just talked about wanting to be on tv. You're on tv. I'm your producer. This is what you're going to talk about. Like, at least now this is a medium where people get to see all sides of me.

[A]

What are you gonna. So you're gonna interview people?

[B]

I'm gonna interview people. I'm gonna interview myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna talk to myself a lot, and I'm gonna talk about all sorts of different things. It's not gonna be so pop culture centric. It might be about the fact that I can't find a blouse from 2008. Like, I might do a whole episode about that. Yeah, you know, whatever the fuck I wanna talk about, I'm gonna talk about. Which has never been the case for anything I've ever done.

[A]

That's exciting.

[B]

I know. I kind of just felt alive. Like, I got a little tingle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And finally also. And the fans want it. Probably.

[B]

Are there any left?

[A]

I hope so, because you are so loved. Like, do you have haters even? Is anyone, like, stop posting Chanel flats? Not me, by the way.

[B]

Oh, my God. I was, like, saying that. Well, can I be.

[A]

No one is, is what I'm saying.

[B]

I did. I don't. You're gonna come on my podcast, right?

[A]

Yeah, I would love to.

[B]

Okay, great. Jessica, let's make sure we get that set up. What was the question?

[A]

What are we talking about? No, that you have no haters.

[B]

I feel like people in real life hate me.

[A]

Like, like, not people online.

[B]

Like, I feel like, yeah, I have more falling outs with people.

[A]

I know, because, you know, like, some people that people like to hate. You could, like, be post a selfie on a day where something happened in the world that you don't even know about. People could be like, you're so toned up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was wondering if you ever get that since you, you know, you could be unboxing a. A Louis a day that something happened.

[B]

No, I'm very conscious of the world around me. So, like, I don't ever fuck up. Like, every time I, like, I'm about to unbox, I'm, like, texting my husband. Be like, did something happen? Is everybody okay? Has a war been started?

[A]

But is anybody ever like, I can't afford a salad for lunch. Or that's just not the audience. Like, maybe you don't come on that fyp.

[B]

I get that very randomly, I think, also because I Am just. I think I come off like, I'm just as real as you possibly can be. Like, I'm not trying to pretend any which way.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I think people feel like, good about that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they don't really come. I mean, watch next week. Everyone's like, you fucking suck. I also am not doing things for other people. Yeah, are you? No. No, you're not.

[A]

I guess I'm not.

[B]

You're very authentic. You're posting stories. Your stories are so funny. They're so like, in real time. You're very real. I'm not real in terms of, like, appearance.

[A]

Like, I Would you call yourself a content creator?

[B]

That's like the hardest question anyone's ever

[A]

asked me because, I don't know, I get the ick from the. The words sometimes, but I get ick from all the words.

[B]

I do too. I'm not a country.

[A]

What word do you like? Well, like designer.

[B]

I'm a designer. I'm a creative director. I am a television former television personality. Star, star, star. I am a. What am I? Oh, God.

[A]

This is all those things. That's really nice for you.

[B]

I have a lot of things going on.

[A]

I think I used to. I'm trying to like, own it more. Like, I feel like I used to be like, I just post on Instagram, you know, and how dumb. Like, own your own. Like, be like, no. You know, Because I remember, like meeting people that did something similar to me like back in the day. And I remember day two, they were like, we own a media business. And I'm like, oh, that's like explosive. I wouldn't say that about me. And now I try to say more stuff like that.

[B]

That comes with maturity. Right?

[A]

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[B]

The only thing I think about is how low my eyelids have gotten.

[A]

What are you thinking about a bluff?

[B]

Well, I don't know if it's a bluff or a brow lift or both.

[A]

I don't know. You know what the differences are? I think your eyelids look great.

[B]

No, they're. They're very. They're getting. Well, the thing is they've always looked like that. They've just gotten puffier lately and I just don't want it. I want to look away.

[A]

You've seen the videos of the people that have done the things and people don't like them, the way it looks.

[B]

They don't like it. But I'm going to go to a really good person.

[A]

Kris Jenner's person.

[B]

No, because that, that is. Well, you know who that is?

[A]

Yeah, she said it.

[B]

What is his name?

[A]

Stephen Levine.

[B]

Right. Well, I'm not doing the face. I'm going to do the lower face in a few years, but I'm going to this.

[A]

I do know that your face is Todd, as.

[B]

Is it? No, but I have a little. I'm like, I shouldn't even get into this because then I'm going to text you guys and be like, cut that out. You know?

[A]

So I don't think you should do anything.

[B]

No, I need like a little. I need like a.

[A]

Would you say. Would you tell the people it's very in.

[B]

Yeah, I probably. Probably lie.

[A]

You'll probably lie?

[B]

Yeah, I might. Like it. Depends how natural it looks, huh?

[A]

Like if you can get away with it. Like get away with it.

[B]

No, I'll probably tell everyone because I need to tell everyone everything first before they say it or think it.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Aren't you the same way?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You're chiller than I am.

[A]

You think? Yeah, it's wild that I come off chill.

[B]

Are you neurotic?

[A]

I'm not neurotic. There. I am chill in certain things, but I'm also an anxious person. So I kind of like, you know,

[B]

I'm anxious sitting in this chair right now.

[A]

Right? You have anxiety.

[B]

Can you feel my anxiety?

[A]

No. But I remember from you talking about it.

[B]

Yeah, that was like, it first started out as being, like, a trendy thing, and then it became a real thing, and I was like, oh, this is, like, really ruining my life.

[A]

Yeah. That's when I say I have anxiety. I have to say, like, not, like, the trendy influencer anxiety. Like, that's why I hate when people say, like, I'm so anxious. I'm like, is your heart beating out of your chest? Are you sweating? Do you feel like you're gonna die? No. You're not anxious? You know, I don't want the fake anxious.

[B]

Are you medicated? Yeah, I'm not medicated. And how do you feel medicated?

[A]

I love it. I kiss it.

[B]

What do you. What are you taking the loft? Everyone's on zoft, babe, I'm.

[A]

I'm 50 milligrams for 100 years already. Like, it might be placebo at this point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I tried to stop before I had babies.

[B]

Why would you do that?

[A]

Because I. I heard that you could. I know my friend was like, I'm gonna double the dose. Like, are you okay?

[B]

Yeah, seriously.

[A]

But because I had in my mind, which is not true, that, like, you shouldn't be on it. I was scared something would happen, even though doctors support him being on it. But I wanted to try. And I don't know if it was, like, placebo or what, but it. I wasn't that well.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I was like, let me get back on my shit. On my fucking shit. But, yeah, I did. I went through a phase. When I got on at the beginning, I was like, me, you know, on this. Like, it didn't make any sense to me. And then now I'm like, hell, yeah.

[B]

You feel like somebody that. You don't seem medicated to me at all. And there's some people that I meet where I'm like, oh. So I have overcome my anxiety myself. I think a lot of my anxiety manifested from feeling physically off for a really long time. That's another thing I talk about a lot, guys now. I'm, like, always talking about that.

[A]

The health.

[B]

The health stuff. Like, just post babies. I was just so destroyed internally.

[A]

And what, like, gut. Like, what kind of situation?

[B]

I mean, just like, my thyroid was totally upside down. Like, hormonally. I was just, like, racing all the time. And I had a lot of talking

[A]

about anxiety gives Me, Anxiety.

[B]

I literally, right now, I'm like, oh, I got to get up.

[A]

No, no, I know I got to get up.

[B]

I don't think I can finish the

[A]

interview, like, talking about anxiety. Like, I don't know what you're even.

[B]

Shouldn't even name it.

[A]

Like, literally, I feel it when we talk about it.

[B]

No, I am. I am, too. I literally am not even kidding. And so. But I feel so much better. My therapist is like, I think it's time. I think it's time.

[A]

I think it's what she wants you to, like, take a.

[B]

Take something. And I've just been able to overcome it and manage it pretty well. Like, I have little episodes. Yeah, I am pretty good now. I mean, there was a period two years ago where I could not sit at dinner. I was like, am I okay? Is my throat closing? I have 7, 000 photos of my tongue on my phone. Because I'm like, is my throat closing right now?

[A]

So maybe let's make this deal.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If you have those kinds of things again, consider it.

[B]

I'm going to.

[A]

Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. I just don't want to be different.

[A]

But, babe, you're not different. And I didn't know you before where you're not different. It doesn't affect you that way. It's not like Adderall, where you could be all of a sudden. You don't mean.

[B]

How did we ever take Adderall? I would try.

[A]

Did we snort it, but so she fucking.

[B]

So chic, right?

[A]

Like 15. I mean, I grew up in New York.

[B]

I mean, I grew up in la. We were snorting Adderall, too. Everyone was snorting Adderall. I was like, yeah, don't, don't, don't include that Adderall.

[A]

And, like, there were always the kids whose, like, moms took, like, Valium or muscle relaxants.

[B]

I wasn't doing any of that. We weren't, like, smoking pot at all in high school, and I wasn't drinking in high school.

[A]

What high school did you go to?

[B]

I went to the Lisa.

[A]

Is it like it's a celebrity? Oh, at least they have it here, by the way. They have it next to my house. Everyone's good looking there like this because everyone's French.

[B]

Everyone's friend.

[A]

So you guys, there's this school. Oh, you went to it next to my house. And then there's the public school. And you see the kids come out

[B]

of the public school and you're like,

[A]

you see the kids come out of Lisa, and you're like, okay, you see,

[B]

I need my water because of the anxiety.

[A]

Drink, my love.

[B]

No, we're fine, we're fine, we're fine.

[A]

No, but do you know that whenever you post supplements, I'm like, screenshot. I ordered some. You post. I didn't even know what it was for.

[B]

What was it?

[A]

I don't know, like, adrenal something or something.

[B]

I need to start taking that again, by the way. Jessica, we need to keep that in the rotation because.

[A]

No, but really, like, I'll just believe you.

[B]

That really helps.

[A]

And I didn't even know what it was for.

[B]

No, it helps with anxiety because when your adrenals are so shot, like you're running on reserves, essentially, I had to pay a naturopath, like, $8,000 to be like, what's wrong? She's like, well, you're KKO2 or what? Making up to me.

[A]

And I was like, the. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But I did a gut test. I mean, I really went deep into it, and I feel so much better. And now I have to, like, eat food. Before, I didn't eat that much food, and now I'm, like, eating food.

[A]

By the way, that could also be your. You know what causes major anxiety? Blood sugar crashes.

[B]

I was.

[A]

By the way, those two can be easily confused.

[B]

I had a few blood sugar crashes that I never want to talk about again.

[A]

So you really have to make sure you're eating.

[B]

I'm eating, like, cold eggs every day because I'm just, like, shoveling down them

[A]

because what, food isn't important to you?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. I love food. What? My. My relationship with food changed once I started to not feel well. I started to resent it because I was like, I'm, like, shoveling this food down. I'm not hungry. I had no awareness of my body. Like, it wasn't like, oh, I'm hungry, I'm tired. It was like, I am so anxious if I don't eat right now, I'm going to drop dead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I would have nuts in my car and granola bar just so. Like, I put on, like, ten pounds last year because I literally was overeating because of panic. And everyone's like, I can't tell. And I was like, I can.

[A]

Yeah. Well, they call it the invisible. It's like the invisible, you know, disease. I don't want to say disease, but I guess it's a disease. I guess disease. Do you think with time. Because I feel like you've always been this person that's, like. You say what you think you know, you're not afraid to, like, put it out there. Has age, like, chilled you out in that way? Do you feel less of a need to be, like, this is my opinion. Like, how has that changed?

[B]

Yes, I think my family has changed. Like, my. Me having a family has changed me. I don't feel the need to be relevant. I don't feel the need to always say what I think. And I just. I'm more focused on me internally than, like, putting myself out there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Until now.

[A]

Until she's back.

[B]

Until I, like, need a podcast. No, I just. I also take a beat more. I think about stuff more.

[A]

Can you tell me. So you went to Lisay.

[B]

I went to Lisa.

[A]

You grew up around, like, French people or famous people? Both.

[B]

Both.

[A]

Both. What did you think you were going to be when you grew up?

[B]

Oh, famous.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, no. It was absolutely. There was no other alternative. I was failing every class. I could not pass a class. My emotional maturity happened so much later. And so did, like, my. My brain formed later.

[A]

My mom. Me too. My mom was, like, so dumb.

[B]

She know. So my mom was like, you're just underdeveloped. You were a late bloomer. Like, I. When my kid. My kids, my friends were, like, turning in their homework, I was like, oh, no, that's crazy. Like, I. I'm on the phone. Like, I had no concept of, like, being able to perform. Like, I was just.

[A]

But do you think because in the back of your mind you're like, I won't need this because I'm going to be. What did you think you were going to be? Like, famous. But for what?

[B]

No, just famous for being me.

[A]

No, I always knew, like, I want to be an actor.

[B]

Or like, no, absolutely not. I knew that I was really funny, and I focused in on that because that was all I was good at. So I was failing every test, but I was hilarious.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, everyone wanted to hang.

[B]

Yeah. I was kind of pretty. Not really, but, like, pretty enough. I. I've. It's really only gotten better. Thank God.

[A]

I know. Isn't it fun that people think, like, I remember somebody mean, said, commented on my pot or something. Like, you could tell she peaked in high school. It's like, no, I didn't.

[B]

No, no, no, no. The goal is to be really ugly in high school and then peak later, you idiot. Thank you. But no, I always knew that I was going to be. I always knew that I had an impact on people.

[A]

She's so deep.

[B]

But I did. And I just was like, there's no other option. And so then I went to college in New York for three semesters, and I got so fat.

[A]

Nice, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you gained the freshman 1530.

[B]

It was crazy. It was insane. My parents picked me up from the airport. My mom did not say a word the entire car ride, and she was like, are you having an emotional crisis?

[A]

Stop.

[B]

No. I was, like, waddling. I had Chinese food every night and went to Tenjun. Like, I was so blackout.

[A]

Yeah, but having fun.

[B]

Having fun, but also kind of miserable and, like, didn't know what I was doing, and I was, like, in a North Face pepper to their knees and like, uggs. And I was just hideous. And then I came home and I was like, I guess it's time to be famous now. So that I started a blog. And then I got the show.

[A]

What? The. The lubes and boobs.

[B]

The loops and boobs.

[A]

The boobs and loops, boobs and lubes. That was the. That was when you were like, I'm taking it to the. To the streets.

[B]

That's when I was just like, I need to just do this.

[A]

And what year was that?

[B]

2010 or something.

[A]

2010, right. 2010. Wait, I graduated in 2010. So you didn't graduate?

[B]

No, absolutely not. So you came home? I went. Yeah, I went for free.

[A]

So you quit. What was the decision like. Like, when you quit?

[B]

I was like, I. This city's eating me alive. I need to go home.

[A]

Yeah. And where is Pace?

[B]

In the financial district.

[A]

Okay. And you lived in, like, dorms the

[B]

first year, and then I lived in an apartment in Murray Hill. Oh, my God.

[A]

By yourself?

[B]

No, I had a roommate for. And then I was like, okay, that was one semester. And then I was like, I gotta go.

[A]

But you didn't like living in the city?

[B]

I did. I just wasn't. Again, I was, like, behind.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So, like, if I would have moved

[A]

later, like, were you going for.

[B]

I was going to just go to college.

[A]

You didn't have a major.

[B]

Oh, communications. Because someone just said, click this. And I was like, okay, fine.

[A]

Oh, my God. My guidance counselor told me, like, I remember. This is not a joke. You're good with people. You should do communications.

[B]

Yeah. There was no other option.

[A]

Yeah, you should do that.

[B]

To be honest, I didn't even know what it even meant. I just had to click something. And so that's what happened. And thank God it all kind of worked. Well, we'll see if it works out well.

[A]

But tell me how then Rich kids happened. So the. The. The blog is happening.

[B]

Rich Kids didn't reading. It was exploding. And then that kind of just like I did that and was partying and was going out. And then my group of friends around 2014, Dorothy and I. Dorothy went out. I don't even. But basically we went into some sort of casting something and they were like, this is the show with you two. Nothing happened. And then we met another set of producers through other tapes that got floated around, and then they pitched it to E. And that was it.

[A]

And do you.

[B]

That was like the very short version, basically. But we were on the air within six months.

[A]

What was that like shooting it and being part of that?

[B]

Like, it was the most meant to be thing ever, really. We were all friends. We were all hanging out. We were basically going out every weekend anyway.

[A]

We need to rewatch that.

[B]

Don't I was.

[A]

Would you do a re. Watch?

[B]

Never. I barely watched it when it was

[A]

on because it would be hard for you to. To watch yourself.

[B]

I don't want to watch myself. I don't want to look at myself. I don't want to hear myself talk in general story. And I look gorgeous. Then I'll do that a thousand times. But other than that, no.

[A]

Well, you didn't watch your, like, nightly pops. No. Wait, were you. No. Were you a villain on. On Rich Kids?

[B]

No, no, I was liked. I mean, maybe you were. You were season three. I had an issue, but, like, whatever.

[A]

You were fun. You were the funny one.

[B]

I think I. Everyone was funny. I have to give credit. Yeah, yeah, everyone was funny. Everyone was really funny. We were all funny. But I was like, the loudest one. Maybe.

[A]

Did you feel like, wait, reality tv, this could be my niche?

[B]

No. I knew when we were getting the shows, like, oh, I'm gonna be a famous person and that's gonna be my life. No, it's not even a no.

[A]

I love that so much.

[B]

This is the most doubt I've ever felt in my career at this moment, at the podcast, at the intersection of podcast and not famous person like that. I'm at that intersection. This is the first time I've ever been like, okay, I have two kids, I have a husband. I have a really wonderful life. Do I need to, like, do all this extra, like, put say things that people might not like, Like, I don't want to introduce any stress.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I'm really excited and it's my destiny and I just have to see it through.

[A]

Are you. Because I feel like I remember you posting. I love when you get, like, really real. And I know Instagram, but Like, you sometimes have those moments, like, for instance, this when you were like, wanted to do a pilot, but, like, it didn't get picked up.

[B]

You know, I feel like, is that really real?

[A]

No, but this is why. I mean, it's real. I think that people see the successes. Here's my pod. Here's my clothing brand. Right. And then it's like. But here's also the truth. Like, not everything works out. And even though I'm me and you guys think I'm a really big deal.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It wasn't good enough for. For other people or whatever. And I feel like that's really, like, I. I appreciate that so much. And I remember you posted something, which. I don't know why it stayed with me, but you posted something. I don't know, it was like Paris Fashion Week, and you posted something. Oh, I don't remember what that was. Like, I should be there, like, like at a certain show.

[B]

Give me a break. I should be at all of the.

[A]

They should know.

[B]

Paying me to go, by the way.

[A]

I think you said something like that. And I was like, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, yes.

[B]

It's so many crazy.

[A]

Agreed with it so much. And. And it stays with me still because.

[B]

Oh, that makes me see I'm impactful with people. No one's laughed out loud. Are we not laughing today, guys?

[A]

I think they're being respectful.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

So quiet.

[B]

I know. Oh, he's smiling. Thank God.

[A]

We're hilarious.

[B]

Like, I'm like, crazy crickets. Like, am I, like, turning?

[A]

No.

[B]

What's happening?

[A]

We're being so cute and funny. But I. I think it stayed with me probably from, like, also, like, you know, everyone reflects on themselves, you know? Yeah. But it's like, because the world sometimes isn't fair. Or is it? People don't make the right. Right decisions about things.

[B]

I think people in fashion and people in, like, executive positions for tv, like, all make the wrong decision most of the time for some reason. Because then there's something like me. Like, if I was not me and I was in the position of somebody who worked at a brand, I would be like, we need to get this girl. Yeah. She has cheesy blonde hair, extension sometimes. And she, like, doesn't always look her best, but she sells the fudge out of everything. And she's. She has, like, an identity. Like, I would be able to see through that. It's just weird that I've encountered so many people that are supposed to be good at their specific job and they are not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, turning down my talk show is Ridiculous. Because now I'm going to talk show on another network in two years, and you're going to be like, that was dumb.

[A]

I just said the other day, my friend was like, amanda, that was so cute. I was like, pitching the pod to somebody really big. Why?

[B]

You have to pitch the pot to

[A]

somebody really big, like, for them to come on.

[B]

Oh, okay. You have to tell me how to do that, because I'm trying to pitch someone right now in the publicist, like, was like, we have to pass. I'm like, no, it's not an option.

[A]

Right, right. So I was pitching to somebody really big, and I literally go to my friend, like, because sometimes I can understand. Sometimes I mean, it. It ranges like, my response to it, but sometimes it could be, like, makes sense for you to come. Like, the way you were saying, like, you know, like, I understand Brad Pick can't make it today, but, like, for this person, it made sense to come to me. But anyway, what I said to my friend, who was like, you are adorable. I was like, you know, next time they'll be out of pods.

[B]

They'll come to mind 100. You know, 100.

[A]

Like, next time they'll be like, I've done this, I've done that, I've done so. And they'll. They'll so also basically long game it up, is what I'm saying.

[B]

I think about the longest you, you know, we haven't had or I have not had a career that's just, like, shot up. Like some of these girls now that just blow up and they explain, explode, and they're all in your face.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, I'm gonna be around forever.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

And other people are gonna be around for three years, and then we're, like, over them. So I think it's meant to. I'm meant to go in phases.

[A]

I love that I always remind people that I'm not. I mean, not that they need reminders, because I've been around since, like, 2016.

[B]

How long have you been you've been doing this? 10 years.

[A]

16. Yeah, it's 10 years.

[B]

It's crazy when Jackie Schimmel just came on my podcast and she said, you were so wonderful.

[A]

Oh, I love her. Yeah, we, like, did it in the early days when, like, podcasters did podcast, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But long game. Yeah. We're used to now overnight. Overnight success is.

[B]

And I don't think that those last. And I don't think that really exists. And I also don't want to manufacture my success so much. Like, yeah, I'm not showing up to things just to do things. Like, I am a real person, and if I feel good about something, I will do it. If I don't, I'm not going to. And I'm not going to do something to gain, like, notoriety. In a way, I'm like, you should be obsessed with me. And if you're not, that me going to that event isn't going to change it.

[A]

So. Okay, so how do you feel about that? Like, events, but premieres. Awful things like that. Awful. You say no to all of it.

[B]

Well, like, if the Met called, I'm going.

[A]

Right. First of all, I was thinking about the Met for you.

[B]

What were you thinking about?

[A]

That. Like, you should go.

[B]

Like, be on the carpet.

[A]

Like, be on the carpet. Okay. Would you go to Interview?

[B]

I would, I think if Vogue wanted me to interview people, I think that would be. I think Emma Chamberlain also made Gemini my birthday. Exactly. Did an amazing job. But she's not just going as a guest because she's surpassed that.

[A]

She's over it.

[B]

She's over it. And. Yeah, I mean, I think, like, there's key things. I don't want to be out every single night. I have to get up with these babies.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And they. And they get. It's not even. I have to. They are up. So then I have to get up and my husband gets up first.

[A]

They're. They're Your alarm clock.

[B]

Oh. It's. It's really crazy.

[A]

Why? When do they wake up?

[B]

6:30.

[A]

Okay. That's not bad.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[A]

Did you.

[B]

No, it's not bad.

[A]

Did you get. You. You didn't get used to it? Like, you could right now wake up at 10? Because I don't think I.

[B]

No, I. I. 7:45 would be ideal.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. 7:45 is beautiful.

[B]

Like, I'm. I've been on vac. Well, I've been alone for the last week, and I'm like, I'm getting up at 6:45 today. I woke up at 5 o'.

[A]

Clock. Is it hard for you to be away from the kids? Not really. Yeah, it is.

[B]

Like, it's getting harder. Not really before.

[A]

But I was like, I like the books. You used to make them.

[B]

How sweet was that?

[A]

Do you still do it?

[B]

No. Now I'm like, I'm gone. Get out of here. You're five years old.

[A]

That's a lot to do every time. How old were they?

[B]

My assistant did those books. You think I made those books myself? You think I went to Kinko's and Like, Prince. That's crazy.

[A]

You told her what to put?

[B]

Yeah, I gave her photos. And then she, like, did this. Yeah, no, I told her what to do, but I'm not physically. I don't execute. I delegate.

[A]

We'll be right back after the break. You guys, this is a true story. I've told this before. Like, I haven't been the best dog mom to Leo since I had kids. Some of you are like, who's Leo? And then I'm like, oh, my God. Now I feel like an even more terrible dog mom. How dare you? But really, it's hard to keep up with the pets when you have kids. It is. And recently I started doing something for Leo that makes me feel really good about it. Husband actually got emotional over it. He was eating, like, regular, hard dog food, and I was like, he's getting old. His teeth aren't as great, and he deserves a little treat in his life. So I started getting him Ollie, and he is obsessed. Okay. Ollie is a dog food company. They make incredible dog food. They have fresh recipes that are developed by real chefs and backed by vet nutritionists. So they. Their mission is to, like, make the best meals with the highest quality ingredients for your pups. Okay. So I started a subscription. 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And we're back. We've talked about kids before.

[B]

I say, I hope so. We have them, so we should have.

[A]

Right, Right. And I know, like, one of the passing things that we talked about, and I feel like you were very, like, two and done vibes.

[B]

You told me never another one.

[A]

No. Right. How were you so sure?

[B]

I just knew. I'm not. I don't have the emotional bandwidth to have more children.

[A]

I love that you knew, and I wish I knew. And I'm jealous of you now.

[B]

That means you don't know and you should have one more. I'm too.

[A]

You knew the minute you knew before Gray.

[B]

I knew before Roe, it was going to be one or two.

[A]

Oh, you knew before.

[B]

Because I knew I had to get back out there and get a podcast going. You know, I can't have three kids. It's two kids is a lot of children.

[A]

You have help, you got more help.

[B]

It doesn't matter.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And first of all, having help is a blessing and a curse. You don't really want people in your space all the time. I want to raise my kids. I raise them as much as I possibly can. Like, I'm with them in the mornings, I'm with them in the evenings. I'm making their dinner. I'm making their breakfast. Like, I am taking them to birthday parties. Like, I am in a very. I am their mother. And they know that.

[A]

You're hands on.

[B]

I'm very hands on, as much as I possibly can be. Obviously, this week their dad has taken over, but I don't want to, like, add another one. First of all, the third is always, like, weird looking. My gynecologist. Well, there's a laugh. Okay. My gynecologist told me my body won't come back a third time.

[A]

I love that this is such an LA guy now.

[B]

She said, I'm telling you right now, you're fantastic. It will not happen a third time. And I'm not with that.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

I also don't want more kids.

[A]

No, but you knew, so don't give me all this. I want to go back to the og.

[B]

I knew.

[A]

I knew before the guy, and I

[B]

knew that I was gonna have a girl and a boy. I didn't know who was gonna be first, but I knew I wasn't gonna have two sisters.

[A]

You knew?

[B]

I knew.

[A]

How'd you know?

[B]

I'm not a mom of two girls, am I? No. Am I a mom of two girls?

[A]

Wait, you knew it would happen? Are you A witch. I am not.

[B]

I just. And I. You're not a mom of girls.

[A]

Shut up. I want to be.

[B]

You could be, but I think you're a boy mom, which is so special. I love. I love having same sex, but I'm also not two boys. I'm one of each. I'm very feminine, but I'm also very masculine. Wait, you have a girl and a boy?

[A]

A girl and a boy? No, no, I know, I know. I meant siblings.

[B]

Yes, well, I had a sibling. He died.

[A]

And then you're like, oh, my God. I know, I know, I know. Oh, my God. I called myself an empath the other day. And everyone. Oh, me.

[B]

We can't do that.

[A]

You can't say empath.

[B]

Wait, I said that, didn't I know.

[A]

You're not alone. You're not allowed to say it. People were. I was saying it because I am.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

There's so many empath references. I think Craig on Southern charm was just calling himself an empath. Kristen Doty called herself an empath. Everyone was sending me these, like, memes and collages, and I'm like, what did I say? I said that I was a fudgeing empath.

[B]

And then you said, well, then it got weird. And it's so funny. We are really one in the same. It does. It does get weird. I'm like, well, I had to have a day. That's one of those things.

[A]

I don't know. I'm also not good with death.

[B]

I hate feelings so much.

[A]

Are you?

[B]

I hate them.

[A]

I was wondering about you. Are you a type A or B mom?

[B]

Both. Yeah, I'm a type A and B person across the board.

[A]

Well, here's. Here's how I look at it, though, and why I have discovered I'm type. First of all, I hate those labels. Like, I think they're so annoying. But I also realize I fall into the B because I was at the park with my kids this weekend and.

[B]

The park.

[A]

I know, I know. Are you supposed to like it? Let me tell you. No. Lenny was like, cookie. And I was like, oh, my fucking God. And I didn't have any snacks. Cause that's my type B mom. I came without snacks, right?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I was like, telling my friend, like, get a fuck. Go get a snack.

[B]

Round it up, bitch.

[A]

Because I know she is the mom with the fucking snacks. So not only did I not have snacks, she got in the snack. Then I'm like, I have to go. Lenny was literally like, bye, bye. She was saying bye to the Park. I was like, we have to go. He's saying bye to the park. We're done. And then I realized that he needs water, and no water. His bottle was empty. So I go to my friend who her kid might have had the flu. I was like, can you pour some water from your kid's water into my kid's water bottle? I feel like everyone around me, I see the snacks, I see the toys. Or, like, at the park, you'll see the kids with, like, the. The car toy. Like, I'm type.

[B]

I'm type a. I'm type B2.

[A]

You're type B?

[B]

Yeah, I have water. But I. There's never a snack. And there's. I'm not bringing books and anything to dinner. I'm like, you just need to eat dinner.

[A]

And I'm also not bringing toys to the park. You have the park facilities.

[B]

Correct? That's why we're at a swing or do this at home. Why the are we here?

[A]

So that's when I realized that I'm like. I told my mom she was with me at the park. If you guys are tracking, and I see all these kids, like, with a ball, with a dinosaur, and Lenny was wanting all these things, and I'm like, this is his. You know, tough it out in life. Like, you won't have the things at the park because I am not bringing them.

[B]

Well, by the way, sweetie, that's why the park is built, right? That's why it exists. So why are they bringing all the things? Yeah.

[A]

How many snacks do you need?

[B]

No, I agree.

[A]

Like, you're eating meals.

[B]

No, I.

[A]

You know, like, how many snacks? Like, are people just, like, over snacking? I think also it's how we grew up. You think? Like, my mom was snacking me up. She's like, you can have one cookie a day, and we're hiding it from you. And they called me Cookie Monster and, like, probably caused my, you know, body issues.

[B]

No. 100. My mom was the same way. We didn't have, like, an Oreo in sight. And we, like, when she did buy Coke, she, like, hid it in the oven because I would, like, slam. Eight down. She literally. We only had it for holidays.

[A]

Well, I had Coke literally when I was sick. For my tummy.

[B]

No. By the way, I'm sick right now. Sorry. Yeah, no, there was, like, no junk food around. Like, I basically, like, had nothing in the fridge but, like, food that you had to, like, prepare. And I was like, I. I was the bad pantry friend.

[A]

The bad pantry.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Oh. I posted about that once that every friend. Every person had a friend with a good pantry.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Mine.

[B]

Mine. I had. Her name was Allison. And I just. She introduced me to mayonnaise. I was like, what is mayonnaise? Slap it on that white bread. We had no white bread. We were going to the farmer's market and to Whole Foods before this was trendy. My mom is Swiss. She, like, grew up in, like, the Swiss farm Alps. Like, she was, like, making undive salad with beets. I'm like, my friends don't want beets. They want the lunchables. Get me a lunchable. I didn't have a lunchable unless I was at school.

[A]

Are you like that at your house now, too? Yeah. You are?

[B]

Yeah. I'm turning. I'm just. So you're a mom.

[A]

You're.

[B]

I mean, I. I, like, do, like, little things, but they eat pretty healthy. I mean, I make them healthy meals. I mean, this is the foundation these kids need.

[A]

Oh, my God. Do not go there.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Do not go there. I mean, so it's. It.

[B]

I mean, that's why I, like, am pretty balanced now.

[A]

Yeah. You're feeling balanced.

[B]

Am I. I feel much better.

[A]

Talked about you.

[B]

I broke through the anxiety at the beginning, and I feel.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wanted to know the progression. So after Rich Kids, how long till E. And was your dream? Because, like, he was my dream.

[B]

Chelsea Handler was my dream. I mean, Chelsea, lately, I was like, God, oh, my God, babe.

[A]

You know that Chelsea was on my show, and I literally told her, like, I hope you know, again, speaking of, like, general meetings, that's still the pinnacle of what I describe as your end. What I would want Chelsea to me fucking lately.

[B]

Like Joan Rivers Chelsea. I mean, I met Joan when I was Eddie, and I will never forget that. Really? The day I die. And people message me being like, you're our Joan. And I'm like, somebody would even put me in the same category as somebody. Like, that, like, blows my mind. And then I'm, like, impactful. So.

[A]

And then you're, like, tracking.

[B]

Track it. Okay, so I did E. I did Rich Kids from 2014 to 2016. Immediately after Rich Kids, my agent was like, e wants to continue the relationship. What does that look like? So 2017, I started at E. I did Necessary Realness, which was a digital show. I did weekly, and then I didn't have nightly pop, daily pop, or what the fashion on Snapchat. Four shows.

[A]

And so was there E. News in the mix?

[B]

Yeah, there was E. News.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I was a guest on it, like, once. And then I did Necessary Realness for a year. And then the executive producer of Daily Pop was like, you can't do Daily Pop. You're not good enough for Daily Pop. Cat Sadler left. They put me on a few episodes, and they were like, you have so much talent. You should do this fucking show. And I was like, you think?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then that turned into Nightly Pop, which they were looking at outside comedians. And I was like, let me tell you who's going to host Nightly Pop.

[A]

Me.

[B]

Me.

[A]

Really?

[B]

They were like, I don't know. I said, well, I do. And that's what the fuck is going to happen.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

And I had to really work for that. I had to work for that hard. So then I got that. And then what, the fashion? And then, yeah, I did all of these shows for five years when they.

[A]

I was shocked when they canceled it.

[B]

I was, too, but I was so tired. My dad was battling cancer at that point. I had had kids back to back. I was, like, basically on air like, this, shaking because my hormones were so fucked up. And I was really excited to just, like, go and not wake up at 5 o' clock in the morning and be with these kids and just chill. And I think two years later, I was like, there's no call time.

[A]

Like, what we doing?

[B]

Yeah, where are we? And so that's why I'm back out there now. That's why I'm happy.

[A]

Did you like talking about pop culture? Like, do you like that?

[B]

Sometimes I don't care that much about pop culture. Like, I'm into, like, certain stories. Yeah, but I mean, talking about it as much as I did, like, was a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Well, that's what Chelsea, our. Our goddess is saying about Chelsea lately. That she was over, you know, talking about Lindsay Lohan, you know.

[B]

Do you think Chelsea would like me 100? Okay. I don't know. I think she might be like, who's that dumb blonde rich girl? That's like.

[A]

I was also a little intimidated by her, but I think she liked me.

[B]

No, she would definitely like you. You're very likable. I would, like, get sweaty and weird with.

[A]

With you. Get starstruck. I was gonna ask you that, too.

[B]

I don't think I get starstruck, but Chelsea Handler, I would be a little

[A]

like, Ed Beyonce's wedding or something.

[B]

Was. Was. Okay, keep that out there, because I wasn't. But I think that's really good. Was I at Beyonce? I was, like, six years old.

[A]

No, you were somewhere.

[B]

Who is that? That is the episode title.

[A]

What I mean is you are at a lot of places with. With huge, huge people. So that's why I'm asking.

[B]

Like, I've just never met Chelsea. No. I don't get starstruck.

[A]

Would you get Star Trek by, like, Jacob Elordi?

[B]

I would be like, hi, how are you? And, like, move. I wouldn't even. I wouldn't even go in to that.

[A]

No.

[B]

I couldn't even know it. Not be good. No, I just. I would just keep moving. Yeah, you can't get stuck in that. Because then I'm like.

[A]

I would get stuck in it because he really touches the people I know he talks to. So I would stay, I would say, until I got a. A hair. I would, like, get hair in my face. And then I would have him be like, you have a hair. And I'd be like, oh, I do.

[B]

And then he would.

[A]

He would move for you. I feel like he's the type of guy to, like, pull something out of your teeth. I swear to God.

[B]

Okay. I. Yeah, no, it's too.

[A]

We didn't watch how cute if we went to see Withering Heights together.

[B]

Why don't we. I'm here till Thursday.

[A]

Is it streaming? No one's giving us.

[B]

No. Like, by the way, can I tell you something? I want between us. I'm not saying bye to anyone. I'm not even looking at these people anymore.

[A]

Can I just tell you that huge celebs, and tell me if you feel this too, are, like, always super nice to people in the room because they.

[B]

They don't need to prove anything. Like, Jennifer Aniston's the nicest person. I've never met her.

[A]

I just know that she is. Did you see what happened to me with her?

[B]

No. Oh, my God. I need her to come on my pod. See? Oh, God. Okay.

[A]

No, don't be competitive. I'm not.

[B]

I'm stressed out now. What is that? Are we.

[A]

Are we gonna be competition? No, no, no, no. Well, you're, like, friends with so many people. Like, just get the friends. Who am I friends with aside from Joe Jonas?

[B]

I guess I could get a Nick Jonas in there.

[A]

You could get a Nick.

[B]

I could get a Nick. I could get, like.

[A]

Wait, how did the friendship with Joe Jonas start?

[B]

Inherited. He's my husband.

[A]

Oh, he's your husband's friend, but you're now a friend too.

[B]

Yeah, I'm like a friend, but, like, if, you know.

[A]

Yeah, he had to choose.

[B]

Like, if he had to choose. I'm out.

[A]

Wait, tell me about Husb. Your hus.

[B]

He's the best.

[A]

And his style is you or him.

[B]

It's him.

[A]

It's all him.

[B]

That makes me so. That, like, weirdly turns me on that you asked that. Wait, like, I get excited, though. No, I think it's weird. He. I think when we first started dating, it was. I like, mate. I was like, oh, we're gonna pit. We're gonna. We're gonna redirect. And then he has taken it to, like. He gets up every morning to go to work, and he's, like, such a cutie patootie. And these little, like, like, pressed pants.

[A]

Like, I wouldn't say hipstery.

[B]

No, it's not. It's. It's. It's like. It's like. I want to say, like. I was gonna say, like, rich, like, white boy. Like, but, like, has a job. Like, I'm trying to think. He's just like.

[A]

No, he does like a van. A corduroy.

[B]

He does, like, a cute cry.

[A]

I was super nervous getting dressed for you today.

[B]

Well, everyone has said that to me this week. This girl that I spoke to on Zoom was like, I was so stressed about what to wear. I'm like, why? And I was thinking in my head, and I am, okay, I love your baseball team. I'm making them for wrangly. Not even a plug.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They're so cute.

[A]

I'll plug. No, I'm into baseball tees, too.

[B]

Yeah, they're coming back.

[A]

No, but I. I do think that it makes sense that we're all scared to get dressed with you.

[B]

I. You know what? It's funny.

[A]

Do you judge?

[B]

I'm. I. People think I'm way more judgmental. Wait, am I going to lie to you right now? Am I. Was that a lie? I. People think I am more judgmental than I am. I'm observing.

[A]

What is the lie?

[B]

I just wasn't sure if that was true for us.

[A]

Is it.

[B]

Why was I not famous this whole time? Thank God I'm back to work. No, no, I definitely, like, I am not gonna leave and be like, God, I can't believe she wore you won't be like, shoes or. No, would I say that? I would say that. I don't care if you don't. If you're not wearing a brand name. I'm not like, oh, it's not like,

[A]

Would you be grossed out if my shirt was from H and M?

[B]

No, not at all.

[A]

No Old Navy?

[B]

No. None. See, I don't. I'm not, like, a brand. Well, that's crazy. That's fucking crazy. No, I am not a brand snobby.

[A]

And I have things that aren't brands.

[B]

No, I don't. I do not buy brands.

[A]

Something popped up for me because you're coming. So my, my whole thing knew it. Someone was like Morgan Stewart jeans from Zara.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Everyone's like, upset, like, because I do a high rise ankle crop. I am not somebody that is buying brand names for identity or to prove something. I'm buying them for quality. And I want things to last. I want to buy investment pieces. It's not like I'm not like, I'm in Chanel, like, because I want you to think I'm richer, better than you. I'm in Chanel because I A, think it's cute and B, I think it's going to be in my close for the rest of my life and then in my daughters.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Lucky fudgeing row.

[B]

She better fudgeing act right. Because we don't know. Pissing me off right now. Barely saying hi to me on FaceTime. She's so mad I'm gone.

[A]

But are you really going to save everything? Are you going to.

[B]

Oh, no, I know. I'm. We have like the same linen. Yeah. No, I have a storage unit.

[A]

How big?

[B]

I think we're going to need a bigger one soon.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And is. Wow. So it's like Kim K. Storage unit.

[B]

No, no, sweetie. I'm like, season one, she's season 15. Like, no, no.

[A]

What do you think of this whole Carolyn Bessette thing that's going on?

[B]

I think she's an icon, but I've been a fan of her since way before the resurgence in the show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, she is impossibly chic and everyone's like trying to be like, oh, it's just a white T shirt. No, bitch. It's actually not. Yeah, it's not. I'm all about it. I don't think everyone needs to go and dress like her. Everybody needs to be themselves.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I give her all the credit and all the kudos and I think they were kind of sad together.

[A]

I didn't finish watching the show. Did you find do you did.

[B]

No, I'm not done yet. I have one more like I don't

[A]

know how it ends. No spoilers. But I don't know. It kind of icked me out, the Internet movement. I had her on my for you page before same and I was like, oh, my God, they're so hot. They're so cute. Like, I saw all the things impossibly hot. But I don't know, it kind of icked me out. What was popping up on my TikTok of like dress like Carolyn Bessette. No, that's always, you know.

[B]

No. When anything becomes too popular and there's like a whole movement about it that you know is going to be short lived. I'm like, I don't even waste time.

[A]

I know. And like she would and I love that people were like, she would hate it. She would hate it.

[B]

She would, she didn't want any attention. I really do believe that like her life with him was difficult.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think she was like, I have my own identity and now so are your fashion icons me and Mary Kate and Ashley for forever. Like I have met them, of course, like in passing. I met them at the store when I was buying something. They were doing a photo shoot. They were weirdly I, I said this on another podcast, but when I was in the fourth grade, I was in computer class and I went to the nurs to go home because I was over it because again, because it was going to be famous. And they were sitting upstairs getting a tour of the school and I walked by them and this was the height of them having their videos and I, I, it was like meant to be. Like, what are the chances that randomly I'm like going upstairs to be excused from school early and Mary Kay and Ashley.

[A]

Did you say something?

[B]

I literally looked at them and I, I couldn't breathe. This was like, you know, and so they're my icons. Jackie Kennedy is an icon of mine. Like that sort of old school, like 60s reference I'm very big on. I feel like Lauren Santo Domingo is an icon of mine. Like she Dr. Very well. Yeah.

[A]

Who would, who would you get more starstruck by sitting next to? Anna Wintour.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Or MK and Ashley.

[B]

That's also a really hard question. Probably Anna.

[A]

Anna, huh?

[B]

Yeah. Because American Ashley, like they're like, they could probably hang. They're. We could hang like from the same world. We're from the same town. Like, I'm a fan girl. I don't want to be friends. I want to be your fan.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't want to mix worlds. Like I'm not cool enough to smoke 12 Marlboro Reds. I, I'm going to be too hungover. But like I want to tell you how much I love you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And Mary Kate and I had a whole child. Like I had purple eyeshadow on. I also the story at the store. I was buying an emerald ring, and she was like, that's such a good ring. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, I want to be you. No, they're my. They're my queens forever.

[A]

And you love the row, too.

[B]

I do love the row. I've recently backed off of buying the row as much because I'm wearing so much wrangly.

[A]

And. And you're. And you want to wear your own stuff.

[B]

Like, I'm in Rangley today.

[A]

Is the pants, too?

[B]

Well, no, those are Bottega, but that's a different conversation.

[A]

Are you ever at home with sweatpants?

[B]

I'm in a bathrobe and zit cream on all the time.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, I'm a mess.

[A]

You're just. Don't post it.

[B]

No. What?

[A]

You're not trying to be relatable.

[B]

And I. I'm. I don't ever want to be ugly. I. And I am sometimes, and I'm so pissed about it.

[A]

And you won't film it.

[B]

Absolutely not.

[A]

It won't film. You need to light it.

[B]

It's very ugly when I'm.

[A]

No, no, you can stop. I don't like this joke.

[B]

Sorry, sorry. No, it's not a joke.

[A]

When I feel like. I feel like you have face dysmorphia.

[B]

No, when I look bad, I look bad for real. And I don't want to film that. I just always want to be a gorgeous girl. Do you.

[A]

Did you ever think of, like, being a stylist?

[B]

No. That requires so much brain power, and I don't want to, like, dress other people.

[A]

Did people ask you? No. Never? No, I feel like if I, you know, if I had you around, I'd be like, what should I wear? Like, tell me what to worry.

[B]

I. Like. People ask for advice. You've had no water, the whole podcast, so I just. Well, like, how are you? How long have we been talking? No water?

[A]

I don't know. Regina. How long?

[B]

Regina, Were you having fun? Because we hadn't. We didn't hear. We didn't. We didn't know, sweetie. Is it good?

[A]

It is probably. And my hand. I'm kind of used to it.

[B]

And you don't use your hands to talk at all.

[A]

I don't. What else are you judging of? Mine?

[B]

No, not judging. I'm just thinking about Gemini traits that you don't do. You're very chill. I need some.

[A]

And, you know now. Now you're gonna give me anxiety because you're gonna make me think that I'm like a zombie because of my Zoloft.

[B]

But also, I kind of like that I'm gonna make you feel something.

[A]

I was just thinking yesterday, like, my kid was being super annoying, and I was on the phone with my friend, and I was like. And he was like, no. And I was like, okay, well, in five minutes. And I was like, are you hearing how chill I am? Like, I don't think people know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That I can. When. I'm not saying. I never go wild. I could go wild and feel terrible, but kids can do this, like, 20 times a day and you're fine. And I could literally be, like, even killed. Like. Like, he could be, like, air punching me. And I'm like, still have five minutes on the tv.

[B]

No, I. No, I. If I'm on the phone and I'm being distracted, I combust. I cannot. That's when I need to sort the Adderall again because I'm like, I need to focus on this. I can't wait till this is like, a headline like, Morgan does drugs, but she got into kindergarten, so I don't give a.

[A]

Wait, she's going into kindergarten?

[B]

Yeah. She got in two places.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was a rough. It was a whole thing.

[B]

It. It was more of a whole thing than anything I've ever gone. More than, like, my dad dying.

[A]

Tell me a hot take you have right now.

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

Culture, vibes.

[B]

Oh, my God. I never. This is when my mind goes blank.

[A]

I know. Me too. Specific questions are like, I. I quit. I get it.

[B]

What is a hot. I think all my. All my takes are hot. That's my hot take.

[A]

Okay, let me ask you this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Timothy Chalamet. Ballet. Opera.

[B]

Okay. What did he say? Oh, I should know. What did he say? Like what?

[A]

I really don't know.

[B]

I, like, know in passing, but, like,

[A]

literally out of no, for no reason, said, I want to be in movies because movies are everything. Not dying arts like the Met in opera.

[B]

I think that was an uneducated thing to say. And. And. And he's smarter than saying something like that. But I eat it up with Timmy.

[A]

You eat it up. I know you did. You loved his Oscars.

[B]

Look, I love it.

[A]

I usually align with you. I really do. And that I. Because everyone is saying he looked like Kevin from the Backstreet Boys, and I agreed with that take.

[B]

It's very, like, punk 90s actor. There's like, something, like Christian Slatery about it. And, like.

[A]

But what do you.

[B]

Chop it up?

[A]

He was. But then I saw this post that was like, what happened to the Timmy from the Dune press? Tours when he was, like, open back.

[B]

Well, I think we've moved on from

[A]

that because now he's.

[B]

Now he's. Now he's. Now he's dating someone that he's like, a man and things are happening. And, like, then he was able to do that. That doesn't fit now with.

[A]

That was a little like Harry Styles. I feel like he even had Harry Styles as stylist.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I didn't even know that.

[A]

Yeah. That Harry Lamb. Yeah.

[B]

I've recently just been introduced. I mean, he's fantastic. He does a great job with Harry.

[A]

Stylist. Do you have a stylist?

[B]

No, absolutely not. I do myself. Never. No, no.

[A]

Like events.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

So you have to buy.

[B]

So do you buy most things or. I, like, when I worked at E. I would, like, you know, get things loaned to me, but, yeah, no, I'm. I'm pretty much buying everything.

[A]

And, like, where you don't need a stylist.

[B]

I do not want to wear things I don't like, ever.

[A]

But you don't have to.

[B]

Was that clear?

[A]

What's something people assume about you that you. That is not true.

[B]

Oh, my God. Everyone asks me this question.

[A]

Oh, my God, stop saying that. Make you feel like a.

[B]

You're fantastic. And you barely look at those fucking cards, which I've been watching the whole you.

[A]

So I'm in it.

[B]

You effortlessly go into stuff. You're very relaxed. You're fantastic.

[A]

I just ask you something that everyone's asked you.

[B]

No, this is like. Because that's. I ask everyone that question too. But the way you go in and out of questions and I. I say that because it stresses me out, because I'm like. I want to give you a good answer. I don't think people think I'm as. I think people think I'm more judgmental than I am.

[A]

Oh, you were saying that before.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not judgmental.

[A]

You literally can't.

[B]

I just don't know if it's the truth or not.

[A]

I literally can't.

[B]

I don't think you're less than. Because you don't. You don't. You don't have something that is. What?

[A]

Like, you would not be friends with someone if they don't own one Chanel thing.

[B]

Not at all.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Or have a bad car.

[B]

Not at all. I wouldn't get in it.

[A]

Have you ever ordered a non. Uber block? That's insane. What if a Toyota Sienna pulls up?

[B]

Then I'm. And then I'm moving on. What is that? No, I'M kidding. I would get into a Toyota Sienna.

[A]

No, you can say things out. You literally can't even. Are you a bad liar?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, I wouldn't get in it.

[A]

You wouldn't get in a Toyota Sienna?

[B]

No, I would.

[A]

A Camry.

[B]

They're gonna promo my pod. They're gonna be pissed.

[A]

This is. Yo. People like it rough.

[B]

I just am. Oh, you know what? I don't even Uber that much.

[A]

Oh, you. Yeah, no, in la. You don't really Uber, I guess.

[B]

Or I have a car.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I have a car here today. Okay, Serious. Paper it.

[A]

Quick questions. How did you come up with Wrangley?

[B]

The name or the brand?

[A]

Well, the. The name. I know it's your daughter's middle name.

[B]

It's my middle name. And Rose. Middle name.

[A]

Oh, it was your middle name.

[B]

It's my mom's maiden name.

[A]

Oh, I know.

[B]

It's so Swiss.

[A]

Oh, it's so cute.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It was. I did active wear for five years, and then I was ready to do ready to wear, and it just. It naturally unfolded. That was also kind of as the shows were ending. And I always wanted to have a line of things that, like, I felt like were not accessible to people. And I love it.

[A]

Do we want to get in, like, department stores?

[B]

Yeah, well, we are in the process of doing that. Some department stores have claimed bankruptcy, so we have to, like, you know, navigate. But. Yeah.

[A]

Do you. Obviously you care about, like, which.

[B]

Yes. Judgmental about things like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It needs to make sense.

[A]

We're not going into Walmart.

[B]

We're not. And that's a very. We probably should have. Right. I should have done that business. I'd be a lot fucking richer personally. But no, this stuff is unbelievable. And I spend all my time, like, my weeks and days are, like, spent on rankings. Wrangly.

[A]

This is your passion?

[B]

This is my passion. I'm like, most of the. The majority of my time working is on Wrangly. The pods only, like an hour a week.

[A]

No, I can't with you. As you walked in today, you're like, can. Can I. Can I do it?

[B]

Yeah, literally.

[A]

Can I handle it? Okay. What's worse? Not sleeping in a set or not having your nails done?

[B]

Not having your nails done.

[A]

Which, by the way, and I think I. I know this. You only do regular polish only.

[B]

But impactful.

[A]

Because she's told me this probably four years ago.

[B]

Yeah, I only do regular. But I have to say, say right now, I did do gel, but I have not done gel in literally years. This was the first time because they're only lasting five days and this trip was eight and I was like, I can't.

[A]

Why are you doing regular nail polish, Morgan?

[B]

It's crazy because I do my toes every week because I'm.

[A]

That's where I'm really type A in the winter. Well, I guess LA every week and sit in a chair for two hours. Uhhuh.

[B]

It's an hour and a half. She's fast, right?

[A]

She. She does it at your house. House, obviously.

[B]

That's crazy. Where do you think I'm going?

[A]

When was the last time you've been to a salon?

[B]

Oh, my God, these questions.

[A]

No, never.

[B]

I mean, five years ago. Yeah, pre covered.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, pre covered because it was because of the COVID that you.

[B]

I had to. I mean, I had to figure it out. So.

[A]

Okay, but you could have. You could do your nails while you're doing your feet.

[B]

I do.

[A]

Okay, but I don't get the regular polish reasoning then.

[B]

I just don't want to have to, like, chip it all. I just like, so I know it

[A]

is annoying and I take breaks all the time because of that.

[B]

Yeah. And it's not good for your nails. Nails.

[A]

Yeah. But then a chip could really ruin your life. The chip.

[B]

I had chip nails a few weeks ago because they. They chipped that morning for a podcast and I was like, oh, this is the end of my career.

[A]

So what'd you do?

[B]

I told the audience it was a live audience, so I was like, they're chipped. Let's just move on.

[A]

Oh, so you were seen with chip nail polish?

[B]

Yeah. Let's not abort.

[A]

Hardest thing you had to do on Rich Kids filmed or had to do Fight with Roxy. Yeah, yeah, that was a bad fight. Fight. If you had to go back to reality tv, would you do any like, Traders?

[B]

No, no, no. I'm not good at things like that.

[A]

Nothing? No, nothing. Reality like that?

[B]

No, I don't have the mind for that. I don't have the skill set for that.

[A]

You don't think?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

I'd be like.

[B]

I'd be like, I'm a traitor. Like, I don't even. Like, I've only seen a few episodes and I still don't get it. I just know Alan Cumming comes out. I'm like, this is so random. Is this Spice World? Like, what's happening?

[A]

Do you want. Do you want. You say you watch.

[B]

I've watched it, like, in passing. So no, I don't like. But like Robert Rausch, I. I'm obsessed with and was even when he was on Love is Blind. Is it Love is Blind?

[A]

No.

[B]

Love Island.

[A]

So what are you watching right now?

[B]

I'm watching Love Story. Yeah, I'm watching the Pit with one eye open. I can't be.

[A]

Me too. The minute they start, like, opening up, like, things. Are you on season two or one?

[B]

Two.

[A]

Okay. I didn't start two yet.

[B]

And then we watch movies. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah, we're really cute. We like. We love, like, time in bed, watching.

[A]

Oh, you watch it in bed?

[B]

Oh, yeah, we're big bed watchers. We're, like, in bed at 8:30, like, cuddling and watching TV. 8:30, maybe nine. No. I love.

[A]

When do the kids go to sleep?

[B]

7:30.

[A]

Beautiful.

[B]

It's the best thing. Like, that's the thing. They're gonna get older and stay awake. Horrific.

[A]

I know. It really is. It really is. Noah is trying to push his bedtime, and I'm trying to train him not to. Okay. The pot is a huge deal. Wrangly is a huge deal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What else? Is there other stuff we're discussing?

[B]

Yeah, my brow lift.

[A]

We're literally here. The brows are here, so I don't understand what's going on.

[B]

It's an eyelid thing. Thank you for clarifying. I just wanted to make sure. Sure. No, I think I'm manifesting tomorrow, being a really good day.

[A]

What's tomorrow, babe?

[B]

My pod launches tomorrow. I don't know when this is coming out. When does this come out? Is this my camera?

[A]

I don't know when to figure it out later.

[B]

Oh, is it gonna air? Okay.

[A]

I'm just manifesting pod launch day. Is it?

[B]

Yeah, I'm manifesting. It goes well that I'm manifesting a good transition for my daughter to go into kindergarten. I'm manifesting good hair color. I'm manifesting feeling rested.

[A]

Did I love all that? My love.

[B]

And I'm manifesting not looking at my cue cards when I talk to people like me. You bear. You. You glanced at one. I would be like,

[A]

babe, you literally did nightly pop. Oh, teleprompter.

[B]

That was a prompter. Which was the worst?

[A]

Oh, you don't like teleprompters?

[B]

I can't do that either.

[A]

Oh, it's. It's. It is a bit.

[B]

It's tax.

[A]

It is a bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm so happy you finally came.

[B]

This was fun.

[A]

I know.

[B]

This was really fun. Very easy, and I didn't have. I love you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. Oh, my God. Don't even look at me. I'm not talking to any of you.

[A]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at notskinnybutnotfat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.

[B]

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[A]

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