Patrick J. Adams: Girl Dad, Leaving Suits, and His Taylor Sheridan Era

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Episode: Patrick J. Adams: Girl Dad, Leaving Suits, and His Taylor Sheridan Era
Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Patrick J. Adams
Date: March 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and lively episode, Amanda Hirsch welcomes actor Patrick J. Adams—best known for his role as Mike Ross in Suits—for a conversation that is equal parts juicy, heartfelt, and behind-the-scenes. They discuss Patrick’s transition from Suits to his new series The Madison (a Taylor Sheridan show), his life as a "girl dad," subtle dynamics of Hollywood fame, family stories, and the surprising ripple effects of Suits' blockbuster resurgence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing Patrick J. Adams and Family Life

• Amanda introduces Patrick, noting his fame from Suits, his marriage to Troian Bellisario (Pretty Little Liars), and his new project with Taylor Sheridan.
• The discussion begins with the significance of the "J" in Patrick J. Adams—Johannes, inspired by Michael J. Fox, and the necessity due to another Patrick Adams existing in SAG.
  • [09:24] “Johannes. As in like Bach, right?” — Patrick
  • [09:45] Discussion of actors and their stage names.
• Patrick and Amanda reveal the name of his newborn daughter for the first time: Imogen, and share anecdotes about picking names, home births, and the logistics of welcoming a third child.
  • [10:44] “Her name is Imogen.” — Patrick

2. On Being a "Girl Dad"

• Patrick discusses the joy and challenges of having three daughters, reflecting on not having a son and what being a "girl dad" means to him.
  • [15:58] “Being a girl dad just, like, totally tracks for me.”
• Amanda and Patrick commiserate about the newborn phase, family logistics, child preferences, and sibling dynamics, especially handling a middle child’s adjustment to a new sibling.

3. Parenting and Family Dynamics

• The couple’s approach to parenting is practical and loving, with Patrick focusing on supporting Troian and handling the older kids.
  • [14:14] “…my job is to hang out with my other two daughters and… do whatever I can for Troian.” — Patrick
• Touching on emotional openness, both admit they don’t romanticize the hardships of raising newborns but try to savor the unique moments, particularly as it may be their last child.

4. Transitioning to "The Madison": Taylor Sheridan's Era

• Patrick discusses his new role in The Madison—a Taylor Sheridan drama headlined by Michelle Pfeiffer. Amanda raves about the heart of the show, noting it feels less "soapy" than Yellowstone, and praises the family themes.
  • [28:01] “It felt like more just like heart. I was feeling it so hard…” — Amanda
• Patrick unpacks his role: a New York finance guy married into a family of women, thrust into rural Montana after tragedy.
  • [27:13] "They are very much out of their element... forced to kind of completely reimagine what their lives look like." — Patrick

5. Working with Michelle Pfeiffer and Cast Chemistry

• Patrick describes working with Michelle Pfeiffer as both inspiring and intimidating, detailing his star-struck reactions and her humility.
  • [31:03] "I get very starstruck by people who I have, like, an enormous admiration for. It's not that you're famous. It's just like, I've watched everything that you do, and I am so enamored with your work." — Patrick
• He reveals both he and Pfeiffer experience nerves before roles—Pfeiffer even tries to back out before every job, adding to her relatability and on-set camaraderie.
  • [32:32] "She would admit that and go, like, we're not alone. We're all feeling that way.” — Patrick
• The set reportedly felt like a genuine family unit, with off-screen bonds matching on-screen dynamics.
  • [33:03] “This cast love each other… we want to be around each other all the time.” — Patrick

6. Filming on Location: Montana, Cottages, and Camper Vans

• Patrick relates his own love of nature, summers in Canada, and traveling long distances by camper van, linking his real life to his character’s fish-out-of-water journey.
  • [34:17] “I've had the camper van for years... I love it.” — Patrick

7. Suits: Memory Lane, Leaving, and the Resurgence

• Patrick reflects on how Suits changed his life, from the nerve-wracking audition to the bittersweet experience of growing burnt out and eventually leaving after seven seasons.
  • [51:07] “My life from that point completely changed.”
• He shares the practical and emotional struggles behind the decision to exit—a mix of fatigue, wanting creative freshness, and prioritizing his relationship with Troian.
  • [53:11] “The money is not a good enough reason to do a thing. And they deserve better than that.” — Patrick’s mom’s advice
• Patrick tells Amanda about coming back for the final season for closure and how surreal the Suits resurgence on Netflix* felt—“a testament to right place, right time, right people.”
  • [55:12] “Whatever you’d hope for professionally from that moment was like, nope, you can’t do any of that. So it was sort of happening in a bubble.”

8. Hollywood Life, Social Media & Relationship with Troian

• Amanda praises Patrick’s loving Instagram captions for Troian, joking about other husbands’ expectations.
  • [65:08] “Your captions for her are so beautiful.” — Amanda
• Patrick talks about the vulnerability of being so open on social media, his love for photography, and the joys of being homebodies with Troian despite working in Hollywood.
  • [68:25] “…we both feel much more comfortable, like, quiet and at home.”
• The story of their reunion: Patrick relentlessly pursued a tiny Pretty Little Liars part just to cross paths with Troian after a breakup.
  • [66:18] “I want you to use every… like, I called my agents and I said… you give me this part…” — Patrick

9. Meghan Markle, Notoriety, and Fan Surprises

• Amanda cheekily approaches the Meghan Markle topic by showing off her handwritten note and jar of jam from Meghan, leading to laughs about who’s on "the jam list."
  • [61:17] “You didn't get a jam?” — Amanda
  • [62:00] “Her writing is like truly a work of art. It's crazy.” — Patrick
• Patrick clarifies the origin of his Instagram "the other guy" bio and reflects on the Meghan-related frenzy post-royal marriage.

10. Rapid-Fire Personal Q&A

• Wilderness or city? Wilderness.
• Favorite Suits memory? Filming the pilot— "a pure expression of creativity."
• Favorite person to photograph? Troian.
• Do his daughters want to be actors? Not at all—they've got other dreams, like being veterinarians and unicorn trainers.
• Fun hypothetical: Would you rather poop in a hornet-infested outhouse or an NYC subway station bathroom during rush hour? Patrick: “Outhouse. I love outhouses.”
• Patrick reveals he is uniquely at home in nature, thanks to his off-the-grid upbringing.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On working with Michelle Pfeiffer:
  "I get very starstruck... And then you meet her, and she's so down to earth, and she's so disinterested in participating in any of that kind of mythos." — Patrick (31:03)
• On leaving Suits:
  "The money is not a good enough reason to do a thing. And they deserve better than that." — Patrick relaying advice from his mother (53:11)
• On Suits' resurgence:
  "It was exciting... but, you know, whatever you would hope for professionally from that moment was like, nope, you can’t do any of that. So it was sort of happening in a bubble." — Patrick (55:29)
• On being a family man:
  "My job is to hang out with my other two daughters and… do whatever I can for Troian.” — Patrick (14:14)
• On his Instagram bio:
  "It's the sort of thing that wherever Megan is, if she's ever read that, she's got... a lot of eye rolls." — Patrick (64:26)
• On open-hearted Instagram captions:
  "I always feel I want to express that in as big a way as possible. But then I always have that feeling... as soon as you send it, you’re like, oh, God, why am I living so publicly?" — Patrick (65:08)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 09:24-11:13: Patrick's name origins and family name stories
• 12:25-14:14: Home births, parenting roles, and family logistics
• 28:00-30:30: Patrick on The Madison; playing a city guy in rural Montana
• 31:03-32:57: Starstruck by Michelle Pfeiffer and cast camaraderie
• 33:03-34:39: Authentic relationships on set and filming in Montana
• 51:07-53:22: Why Patrick left Suits, burnout, and life changes
• 55:08-57:17: The Suits resurgence and its industry implications
• 61:03-62:38: Meghan Markle's handwritten notes, jam, and playful banter
• 66:18-67:32: The story of rekindling his relationship with Troian via acting

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Tone & Vibe

The conversation is warm, irreverent, and intimate. Amanda's fangirl energy meets Patrick's self-effacing humor and down-to-earth storytelling. Moments of vulnerability, laughter, and Hollywood insight are woven seamlessly together, making listeners feel like insiders among friends.

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Conclusion

A rich, wide-ranging episode where Patrick J. Adams showcases his sensitivity as a storyteller, family man, and reflective actor. He pulls back the curtain on Suits, dishes on working with industry legends, and underscores the importance of keeping one’s life rooted, which Amanda balances with fangirl curiosity and relatable asides.

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For fans of TV, Hollywood, celebrity parenthood, or anyone pondering how to blend ambition with authenticity—this episode is an essential listen.

Transcript

[Amanda Hirsch]

The following podcast is a Dear media production.

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

So I literally ran to record my intro. Intro today because the. The tsting.

The. The.

The. The world of reality TV is on fire. It's on fucking fire, guys. And first of all, hi.

Hi, everybody.

Hi.

I love you.

I miss you. I adore you. Can't wait for you to hear this episode. Let's. Let's just discuss a few things before. So there's Summer House, which I just caught up on the Kyle and Amanda Vidal. First of all, I will say that, like, Andy saying Kyle has never looked this bad in 10 seasons after Kyle has, like, cheated on Amanda in seasons, like. And, you know, I was like, andy, why'd you do that? And then I watched it, delayed, of course, so everybody kind of talking about it. I was like, oh, my God, this is going to be the most insane thing. And, like, yes, it wasn't. It was not great for anybody involved. But try to be in my shoes where, like, I thought it would be worse. Like, it was awful, but I thought it would be worse, you know, but it's just obvious at this point in the summer that, you know, she's over a. She's done. And he is feeling that she's done. And he's also, like, leaning in kind of. Like, he even says in his confessional the last episode, like, I know that everything I was doing this summer was, you know, just turning her off and, you know, making her take one more step towards, like, separation, basically, like, all the things. But, like, like I said, like, obviously she's over his. And anybody could tell. Like, you know, a fly could tell that she's over. I have said this before. I'm so happy that they got separated. I'm so happy. It makes me happy. Like, there's no kids. Like, they can go their own ways and, like, be done. He is posting a lot of her since they broke up, which is, like, weird. Like, I've seen people say, like, is he posting more of her now? Like, that's a little bizarre. But they seem to be on good terms. Who doesn't seem to be on good terms is Amanda and Sierra. Now, I have two sides of me. The side, whereas, like, where there's smoke, there's fire, and the other Side which is, like, Amanda would never do that to Sierra. Like, Amanda knows the deep, deep ache Sierra has for this boy, West. Okay. It was absolutely adorable, both on this finale and, you know, I've met him, and I adore him. Like, he is, like, he's just adorable. Like, he's just one of those people that you immediately want to be close to and. And. And talked with and all those things. And we did see that Amanda and Wes are hanging out. Like, I've seen tik toks of them, like, eating, doing mukbangs or whatever.

The.

However, at the beginning when this rumor came out that Amanda and Wes hooked up, I was like, oh, my God, no. Like, no, she would never do that to Sierra. Now after a bit, it's like, okay, they really aren't engaging with each other on social media. I. I never truly noticed, to be honest, like, how much they engaged with each other before. Like, I don't think, like, engagement on social media means, like, what the friendship is, but at the same time, like, there's nothing really. And also the rumors are rumoring.

I just.

Somebody sent this to me, and this is totally unverified, but, like, somebody just sent me that's. Someone got a blind. That was like, somebody saw Amanda and West hooking up in Amanda's apartment and then showed the picture. Like, took a picture and showed it to Sierra the night before. Amanda and Sierra were supposed to do and, like, an Amazon live to promote this brand, and they ended up doing it apart. So that was another, like, it was announced that they were doing it together and they ended up doing it apart. So all this is adding some smoke to the fire or logs to the barbecue.

Okay.

Because, like, what the is happening? This would be obviously mind blowing. What I could see happening is, like, Amanda and West, super close. We saw they got super close last summer. He was there for her. You know, could be that they were hanging out as friends. Super close as friends. So two options. Super closest friend. She's hanging out with him every night. Maybe she's falling asleep on his couch. Maybe. Whatever. I don't know. Maybe Sarah just got pissed at that. Like, okay, you guys are being, like, way too close. And, like, I don't feel comfortable. Option two, they're hanging out, they're getting really close. Friendship, whatever. And something slips. However, it's, like, wild how, like, something slips and it gets to people. However, I did hear that Wes was, like, talking about it. I know.

It's, like, wild.

It's so layered and, like, because I, like, love them so much. I of course don't want to believe it, but at the same time, like a lot of things are pointing to this happened and that's just mind blowing. It just would be mind blowing. It just beyond mind blowing. At the same time, I can't believe I'm moving on from it, but I need to. At the same time, we have Secret Lives of Mormon Wives drama, which of course we have the Tanky Tanky Frankie Fra. Her Fra Taylor, Frankie Paul of it all. But that has kind of not blown over. But we're kind of like fatigued. We're like, oh, her ex husband made another, like, what is he saying? Oh, Dakota made a third domestic violence allegation. Okay. Meanwhile, Jesse and Jordan filed for divorce, whatever that was. So we saw that coming. Chase and Jesse hooking up. I saw it in a blind on Demoir. However, Miranda pretty much confirmed it in a tick tock. Being like, why are all my friends hooking up with my ex? And then posting the flowers Jesse sent her that said, like, I'm so sorry that you like that I made you feel bad. And it's like, are you sorry for hooking up with her ex anyway?

Why? To like pick up the damn cameras. Like, what is this messiness?

What is going on in the same

reality TV a world? Not the same because this is the

OG of the OGs. We have a Laguna beach reunion.

Which I thought, like when I saw it, I was like, okay.

And then seeing them for soul, Elsie put effort. That fudgeing bitch. That fudgeing bitch disappeared from our lives for like 10, 15 years. I mean 20 technically. This is because it was 20 years ago. Meanwhile, she's making fudgeing bank with like lines at Kohl's and Walmart and wherever the fudge you can make loads of fudgeing money. Okay. She's so smart. She's so like fudgeing in and out, babe. She got in, she got out. She's making her buck. She has her family. Like, she's so fudgeing smart. And then she comes back classy as fuck for this reunion, looking amazing. Like looking amazing. And I mean, Kristen looks amazing. But the difference is like, we see Kristen all the time. Like Kristen is telling us every day who she's hooked up with. So we're like, hey, Kristen, what's up? Steven? He was just in the Traders. Like, Elsie like walks in like, take

take my breath away.

Take my freaking breath away.

You know who else I love to see? Talent. I get talent. Talon is like up on here making

like tiktoks up the wazoo. But, like, gotta love it. Gotta respect the huzzle. Anyway, I thought that was like a very good recap of reality TV and what's going on in the world. And on we go home, we go onward we go. Into today's episode. While that got me in the mood. Thank you. Thank you. See, this is my. This is my bread and butter. Onto today's episode. Today I have somebody on. You know him. You know him from one of the. The best fucking shows there ever. You know him. He's that guy from that show that

you watched because that girl became a princess. Boom, boom, boom. Maybe you watched it before the girl

became a princess or maybe we rewatch it after she became princess.

Princess.

Yes. Or maybe you watched it after. Maybe you watched it before. Whatever it is, it is Patrick J. Adams. You know him, you love him from Suit. He also has a beautiful family. He's married to Troyan from Pretty Little Liars. They have three adorable daughters. And he's now in this new show called the Madison, a new Taylor Sheridan show that I am obsessed with. Michelle Pfeiffer leads the show. It's a group of women and Patrick J. Adams. And it's just. Oh, my God. Eating it up. Eating it up with a spoon. It is all heart and makes you emotional and it's just beautifully done, beautifully shot. Like, just saw yesterday, somebody. I mean, there was an article that was like, this is Taylor Sheridan's, like, most watched or best. And I'm like, wow. Like, he did Yellowstone 1923, 1947. And I think this is the best. But apparently everyone else is too. So Patrick J. Adams is here to talk about the show. Talk about it all. If you think I didn't tell him about my note from Megan, you r mistaken.

Hi, welcome.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Thanks for having me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thanks for coming.

[Patrick J. Adams]

It's so good to be here.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Jay Adams. That is me.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Can we talk about the J for one moment?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I would love to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Is it the middle name?

Joe?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Johannes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, that's what I thought.

[Patrick J. Adams]

As in like Bach, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, that's what I thought.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That is the most obnoxious thing I've ever said. I've never said that and I will never say it again. I don't know where that came from.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Because I was thinking it is Johannes. It's Johannes. And then what was the decision to stick with the J and have it, like, even today? Like, your publicist texted, I'm with Patrick J. Adams.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I don't know. Actually, someone asked me that the other day. I Think when I joined sag, there was already a Patrick Adams. I think it was as simple as that. And they were like, so what? And I think you can't have the same name. Or at least when I joined sag, you couldn't. So we went with Jay Adams. But the more I think about it, it's interesting because when I was a kid, Michael J. Fox was, like, really a hero. You know, back to the Future. That was like. He was a good Canadian kid that, you know, became the most famous person in the world. So he was sort of iconic to me. So I don't know if that got in the back door somewhere and informed it. It was not conscious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, no. We hear of the SAG stories like an Emily. I think Emma Stone became Emma because there was an Emily. Like, there's always stories like that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I wish I'd chosen a better name at that point. The hard pivot.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like a stage. Like a stage name.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We just had a daughter, and we almost named her August. We love the name. August Adams.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And I wish my name were August Adams. I wish I could go back in time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, you didn't share your. Your. Your new daughter's name yet, right?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, I guess I haven't. It's not secret.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I can break the news here. Her name is Imogen.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Do you love it?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you going to call her Emmy?

[Patrick J. Adams]

We're. We're. We're rehearsing nicknames. We've got Emmy. We've got Momo, Moji.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, that's pretty.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We're seeing what sticks, but Imogen.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, I love that. And I feel like Adams is such a good last name.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Adams kind of makes you pick a vowel as a first name. So we have Aurora. We have Elliot. And then we're. We kept trying to. To not use a vowel, but it just sounds too good, the alliteration.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So what happened to August? How did August fall? Like, just Imogen.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't know what the thinking was. Joyne and I just were, like, kind of toiling over. We didn't name her for two weeks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you didn't submit the paperwork in the hospital?

[Patrick J. Adams]

We didn't do the hospital. We did a home birth, so, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick J. Adams]

So you don't need to name them for quite a while.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You did the we. You did. You were in the tub.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, it was all me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was all you.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'm doing most of the work. No, she was in the tub. We had some amazing midwives who came to the house and helped. Yeah. And she was two weeks late, so there was a lot of waiting around.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But our second daughter was born in the front seat of a car, which was much more dramatic.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Which is why we decided to do a home birth.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because you.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Because the second time was. Was so clear that Troian was capable of having a baby.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

On her own, without medical intervention. Like, she just did it. So we were like, well, it seems like if you did it in the front seat of a car, we could probably make it a bit more comfortable at home. So it was. You know, it's always scary because you don't. You know, you're scared something's gonna happen and you're gonna need to go to the hospital. But we had really good people around

[Amanda Hirsch]

us, so you didn't have to go to the hospital at all. Like, we could do a home birth. You don't have to go right after nothing.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, no, no, no. Only if something's going wrong and they send you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So how did you support her in the home birth? What was your role?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, God. What do I do? I don't know. What does Eddie have done do when they're watching her wife camera, like, just show up? I think probably just advocating for her. The one thing I think I could tell, I knew how quickly she could have a baby because of the car and the midwives, I think just having not been there with her that time, maybe their instincts weren't quite as clear. So when they showed up, I was already filling up the tub and getting the water in there, and they were doing their thing and getting ready. And she was like, very. She's the sweetest woman in the world. She was like, so when do you think I might be able to get into the tub? She asked really nicely. And they were like, there's no rush, dear. We're doing our thing. And they just. I know her voice well enough to know, like, that means put me in the bathtub right now. So I was like, actually, I think she needs to go. That was just. My job was just to be like, that's Troian for put me in the water immediately. And they were like, okay. They heard me, and she got in the water and we had a baby 10 minutes later.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did your other daughters come in the room?

[Patrick J. Adams]

They were sleeping.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They were sleeping. It was at night.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Which was perfect, because I don't think they needed to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We would have welcomed it if they wanted to, but I don't think they

[Amanda Hirsch]

were 7 and 7 and 4. 7 and 4, yeah. And then now a Third daughter.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. And then a month after I've. I've left to come, you know, sell a show and travel around the world. So my brain is scrambled eggs, but

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know timing is always, like, funny like that. Yeah, like that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you got to hang out with the. The newborn baby.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. And, you know, as a dad, too, you have. You have two kids. Yeah. So, like, dads aren't really. They don't really come online for a baby. Like, my job is to look after the other two. It seems to be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'm seeing that I'm most useful in being present for them and drop off and pick up and.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And. And hanging with them while she's in that protective baby bubble.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

So I haven't really had much. Troyan's amazing. You need to lay down with the baby, like, put the baby on your chest and just go to sleep. And I'll be like, okay. And I love it, but it's, like, not quite my job. Yeah. My job is to hang out with my other two daughters and. And. And do whatever I can for Troy and.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. The newborn phases. I don't love it. Like, some people love that fate. I like it, like, when they're.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You as a mom, didn't love it either.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know now, as a mom.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, no, no. I love that. I love that you're saying it's much more common.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Get bigger, have more body weight. Yeah. Don't, like, even their screech. Like, the way they cry and it's, like, so stressful. It's like a stressful cry. When they cry and you have to feed them and wake them up, and if they don't gain weight, like, it's too stressful. I like when they're a bit bigger.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I find it very stressful. But I am also the man in this situation. So I'm hyper aware that, like, I'm not doing really any of the things that I could be consider stressful. But I totally relate to that. I feel that way. It's amazing to watch her this time round. I think there's a muscle that's kicking in where. Where she. You know, I think this is our last kid that we're gonna have. I think that's. I think that's the game plan. And so I think there's a part of her that's like, I'm gonna enjoy this part.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'm really gonna dig in and do this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

There probably would be. I could see that happening. Like, being like, this is the last. So, like, you know, you're done after this?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I think we're done. I think we're done.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you. Were you hoping the third was a boy?

[Patrick J. Adams]

It's a good question. No, I mean, it's a terrible question.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I hate that question. But I also have to ask that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, I get it. And I've been thinking about it a lot. I would have welcomed a boy. I would have welcomed that experience. But I think I was super worried about being a dad to a boy. I've grown up with women. I have two sisters, I've had two daughters. Now, like, I just feel like it makes more sense to me. Being and going through things and being a girl dad just like, totally tracks for me. The idea of, like, I'm not a sport. Not that you need to do any of this with a son. It's such a cliche. But like, I'm not a sports guy. I don't go to football. I don't do any of these things. They can sometimes be things that boys do. And I feel like, you know, complicated relationship with my own father. Like, there's just a lot there that while it would have been good to maybe go through that experience, I was like, I was all good with not. Yeah. And we didn't know it was a girl until she was born this time around. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Was this the only time you did that?

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, Elliot, our second one. We didn't know either, really. So what I find interesting are the people that then need to weigh in on their opinion of what the sex is, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That's the one reason to just find out. Because you have to deal with so many people who are like, it's a girl. You feel it? I feel it. It's a girl.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I feel it. Like based on a lot.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I can sense it. And then you want to call all those people who got everybod wrong after just be like, by the way, you were wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you have a feeling, though?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I. I had a feeling it was a girl.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, it's a. I feel like now we know. Well, now that we're in the baby world, I'm like, okay, if you have two of the same sex, like, it's probably going to be the same.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I think that statistically that's true. There's like 75% chance that it's going to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I think just now I'm catching on to those things cuz I'm in the world cuz I have two boys.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Two boys. How old are they?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Five and almost two.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, wow. You're in it too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm in it, yeah. And by the way, like, very sports. And I even like, I'll yell my husband, because he's not super sporty and I'm like, throw a football with him in the yard. You know, just because you see those things.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

On tv.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Pressure to do that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

To do and like, look all like, come here, son. Like, just so silly.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I mean, it would have been amazing to have a son and, and to learn that new experience. But the truth is we, you know, I have other young kids in my life and people who have like, you have other relationships with kids too, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And maybe they'll want to play sports, your girls.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, of course, of course. Probably not thus far because there's just no exposure to it. I mean, it's like, whatever they want to do, we would do it. But neither Troy nor I were like sports people, so. Yeah, we're not. We don't even think. Well, Elliot's in soccer class that she's sort of into. Yeah. So young at this point. But we're not like the parents that are like, let's go to baseball, let's go to soccer stuff. So. But maybe whatever they're interested in, we'll. We'll let them chase it down.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are the girls excited about their new sister?

[Patrick J. Adams]

They love it. Yeah. My oldest, Rora, our oldest, is really engaged with it. She's really like, come online as a big sister. Well, she's also experienced being a big sister, so it's interesting to see, like, it's not new for her. For Elliot, it's been a bit of adjustment of like, wait a minute, I was the cute one, right. Or wait, why is that? What's this new energy?

[Amanda Hirsch]

But she's old enough to not like, regress, you know, she.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I think we're getting a bit of a. Really Now. Yeah, yeah. Just a little bit. Nothing crazy. But some stuff has started happening that, that she's presenting that now. We're like thinking, oh, maybe this is what they mean. Just like. And it's weird. She's smart. She like buries it as like a medical thing. Like, this hurts. So you're, as a parent, you're like, oh, I want to attend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Something that hurts or feels weird. And now we've discovered that it actually is probably.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Not really happening.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They just need that like one on one time.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That's what, you know, we were doing. And Troy is so good at that. I mean, she's alone with them right now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's on with them right now?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, well, they're at school, but in general right now she's solo.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh my God, the timing. The Madison.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Amazing woman.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The timing of the Madison coming out. Yeah, I watched a couple episodes.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, you got to see some.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I got to see some.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love it so much. Well, obviously I'm devastated because Michelle Pfeiffer like rips your fucking heart out. Insane in this is a true story. I was watching the second episode yesterday. My mom came over. My little sister actually just had a baby too. And like a five day old, tiny five pounder. So my mom is around us all the time. So my mom came over and I was like, mom, Michelle Pfeiffer is back in the show and you need. I was like, you can't watch with me because I'm in it. But like, you need to watch. And I let her watch.

When she was on that hill telling

the family, like what she's gonna do. Yeah, I was like, fucking watch her.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, some of the scenes we were watching, I had seen it already on my laptop, sort of watching it through my hands. Cause I hate watching myself. And last night we had the premiere here and it was the last chance we'd have to sit in front of an audience and watch it. So I was like, I gave in to peer pressure and it was a not great experience for me personally. But to sit and watch her performance on the big screen and just that how. I mean, we already know she's Michelle Pfeiffer. She's the best of the best. But I think what she's doing on the show is like kind of unbelievable. I've never seen her give in a performance like this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, it's kind of like a comeback slash, not slash resurrection.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, it's weird to say comeback. She hasn't really gone anywhere, right. It's just an evolution. It's just like, oh my God. She's still got this gear, she's got. Still got new gears that we didn't, you know, know. I don't know. It's crazy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We'll be right back after the break.

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And we're back. So tell us a little bit about

[Patrick J. Adams]

this show, like what it's about.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, Set it up, set it up.

[Patrick J. Adams]

So we have a New York City family, the Clyburns, who are very well to do family, which is Stacy and her daughters, Abigail and Paige. And I'm married to Paige. Anyway, through a very sudden and tragic loss, they're forced to head to Montana to deal with it. And so they are very much out of their element. And there's sort of a standard, I think, modern American city family where they love each other, but they're very disconnected. They're in their own worlds. They're on their phones. And through the events of the show, they're sort of forced to kind of completely reimagine what their lives look like and deal with each other and. And do it in this very beautiful, you know, Montana rural setting that they are very uncomfortable in.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So the. So this is a Taylor Sheridan show.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I felt like it was so different than the other ones. I felt like it was because I loved Yellowstone and Landman, but. But I feel like this is like, you get the vibes, the scenic visuals and everything, but less soapy. You know what I mean? Like, it felt like more just like heart. I'm telling you, I was like this. Like, I was feeling it so hard, first of all. And it made me think of. Of you in that way because you're so. This whole family. Like Michelle Pfeiffer, she's the matriarch of the family. And they're all girls.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And there you are.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Stringing along as the plus one husband.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Just trying to figure out how to be helpful.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Just trying to figure out it. So you play this sort of, like, up. Yep. Yuppie.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Yeah. New York finance guy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Who loves his wife, but, like, you know, he's going to the Soho House and.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And just stokes to be trading stocks and bonds. I mean, I know nothing about finance, but you know what I mean? Like, he's just living that New York life and eating at fancy restaurants and. But he loves his wife, so he's willing, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. You could tell that he really is willing to.

To do.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That's what I loved about him was that this thing happens. And I think there's a version of this guy that would be like, okay, good luck in Montana.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'll see you. I'll see you back here when you get back. I'll hold the fort down. But no way, you know, he's like, no, I'm coming with you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And especially because the wife isn't easy, by the way. She's terrific. She's gonna.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Her first show.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I. I looked her up after.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because I was like, do I know her? And then it said, like, projects brand new. And I was like, she's gonna. She's gonna blow up.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'm so happy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's really good in it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, she's really good. I loved working with her. It was so cool to work with someone who's so green, too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

She's just so unencumbered with an idea of what this business is, and she's so excited and so grateful. Yeah. She's a great scene partner.

[Amanda Hirsch]

L.L.

[Patrick J. Adams]

chapman.

[Amanda Hirsch]

L. Chapman.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I love your chemistry together, but also I love your chemistry with Michelle.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because you guys have, like, a banter.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. It was cool to find that you can't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, she likes you, but, like, maybe you annoy her a little bit.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Yeah. I think she has respect for me. She can tell that I've showed up, but, like, I'm so far from, you know, the kind of man that she had married.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You know, like, I have so much to live up to. So she, I think, is grateful that I'm around and clearly love her daughter. But it's like, come on, Russell, let's go.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, Russell, what was it like then, acting in those scenes with her?

[Patrick J. Adams]

With Michelle?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, man. She is. Well, she's the greatest actor. Like, just so. She makes that part so easy. What's hard for me is I get very starstruck by people who I have, like, an enormous admiration for. It's not that you're famous. It's just like, I've watched everything that you do, and I am so enamored with your work. And then you meet her, and she's so down to earth, and she's so disinterested in participating in any of that kind of mythos. Like, she's like, put that away. We're here to work. But I couldn't put it away.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You couldn't?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I can't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You would, like, watch her.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Well, and I would go and watch other movies. I don't know what I was thinking, but in preparation, not even in preparation while I was working, I'd feel very nervous around her. And then I got it into my head that I, like, if I go home and watch more Michelle Pfeiffer movies, maybe I'll be less nervous. So I would go home after work and like, put on Married to the Mob, which I had never seen up until that point, actually, or the Fabulous Baker Boys or Age of Innocence, you know, with her and Daniel Day Lewis. And then I'd have to go to work the next day and do a scene with her. Like, what are you doing?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why did you think that would Cure.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I was just trying to, like, I do this thing where I'm nervous, where I'm like, I just need more data.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You know, if I just fill up my data banks, I'll be more comfortable. And it was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you tell her you were doing it? Because it could have sounded a little, like, stalkery.

[Patrick J. Adams]

She caught on to me at some point because I kept coming in and just asking her questions about, like, the

[Amanda Hirsch]

movies you had watched.

[Patrick J. Adams]

So Daniel. What was Daniel. And she was like, are you watching all these? Like, yeah. It's a bad idea.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. My God.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. She's so. She's just the dream, you know, she's so committed. She is. She brings every part of herself to this thing. And as soon. And as soon as she feels safe, because she's quite nervous, too, you know, and that was a gift. Right at the beginning, she was like, I'm terrified. You know, she's one of these actors that. I don't think I'm speaking out of school. She's sort of admitted it before that she tries to get out of every job she does before she does it. You know, she has that feeling thing that. That I really relate to, which is like, I can't do it. I'm not going to be able to do it this time. And they're going to catch me, I think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And that's certainly how I feel. And I. And I feel like she kind of gets that. And she would admit that and go, like, we're not alone. We're all feeling that way. And she made us all feel so safe and like, oh, okay. If you feel that way, it's shocking

[Amanda Hirsch]

to find out that she feels that way, too.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Look at her and you're like, you've done it all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You know, like, how could you feel that way? You're perfect, and it's just human. And she makes you feel human. And then you all get down to work together. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You posted, like, about the show that it really felt like a family.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Which is a thing people say a lot.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's true. People do get PR gifts and say, like, my Sarah VAY family. But you meant it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But I also say it on TV shows, too. Like, oh, what? This cast, we love each other. We hang out all the time. And often that's not totally true. You know, that means, like, half the cast maybe hang out and. But this cast love each other. Like, we love each other. We. We cut and we go home and we go all have dinner every night. Like, we want to be around each other all the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How long was filming?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I think it was, like, three months in Montana and then a month or two in Fort Worth.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What was it like? Did you like hanging out there in Montana?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Loved Montana.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Loved it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Loved it. Yeah. Have you been to Montana before?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I haven't. I was gonna say I've been to Utah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

It's stunning. It's so. I mean, Utah's beautiful too. Yeah. Shoot there. But Montana's. Yeah, really spectacular, and the people are amazing. We're on this, you know, private piece of land that we drive out to from Bozeman every day to shoot on this, like, you know, this, like, have this. The cabins that you see in the show.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, it's.

[Patrick J. Adams]

It's not even. We built it. Like, that's not there. That wasn't, like, a cabin we rented. They just built it for the show.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And we would just drive out there every morning, and then I had my camper van there, so I would rap and just go about five minutes down the dirt road and have my own little spot where I'd park my camper.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you sleep there?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Not every night. I had a place in Bozeman, too, but some of the nights I would do that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really? By yourself?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Damn. What is that like sleeping in a camper van by yourself?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I've been. I've had the camper van for years, so it's like, heaven for me. I love it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, you've had the camper van? So you drove it from your home?

[Patrick J. Adams]

And actually, we drive. So we have a place north of Toronto. The cottaging is, like, a big thing in. In Toronto and Canada.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're Canadian? Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, Canadian, from Toronto. So I grew up going up to a place in Georgian Bay, which is like two and a half hours north of Toronto. And my stepdad and my mom had this place. And then we unfortunately lost my stepdad very suddenly about four years ago. And in the aftermath of that, my. My mother didn't want to lose the place, but she was like, I can't do this by myself. So Troyne and I bought it from her in an effort to see, like, maybe we can make this part of our life. Anyway, so we spend our summers up there ever since with the girls and go and spend as much time up there as possible. And to get there, we drive from LA all the way up there in the camper van. So when I booked this job, I was up at that cottage, and I drove the camper van to Montana and then had it with me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, you guys drive from LA to Toronto. How many hours is that?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Two kids and a dog. It is. We do it in 10 days.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you do that every summer.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We've done it two summers in a row or three.

[Amanda Hirsch]

God, you're probably gonna have to skip this summer.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, we probably are probably right. Yeah. We're worried that we're gonna have to skip this summer.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But it's okay. Like, it's a lifelong.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's a lifelong.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We bought this to be a. To be there for our life, and we realize we probably won't get every summer, but it is heaven. And it was really wild to get an audition for this show, given the subject matter and what it's about to be. You know, having gone through a really serious loss in our family and then have that loss resolve with my family in this beautiful, natural setting that we were now, like, in charge of. And then suddenly I got this audition about a family suddenly being in a very natural. Yeah, it was really. That happens sometimes. That's usually a good indication that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you're like, I'm gonna. Did you feel. Did you audition for. For it or was it a. Yeah,

[Patrick J. Adams]

so I made a tape.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

At the. At the cottage.

[Amanda Hirsch]

At the cottage.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And I had auditioned for a Taylor. I auditioned for some Taylor Sheridan stuff before, and I. I've always appreciated Taylor's work, but I've always been like, I'm not the right guy for Taylor. You know, these are men. Men in these shows.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Have you auditioned to be a cowboy before?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't even know what if it was a cowboy. I think it was in 1923. And just. Even if it's period or cowboy, I was just like, I'm not the right fit for his world. And so I made the tape very, like, not casually. We took it seriously, but with no expectation. We'll send it off. Okay, we're done. And then got a quick message back a couple of days later that was like, oh, no, no, this is. He's really into it and he wants to see you in Wyoming for. He does his testing process there where he comes and brings people in to Wyoming. But I was at the cottage and my father, who's not well, was coming to visit like it was an impossibility. I couldn't go. And I was like, I can't believe I'm going to have to turn this down, but there's no world in which I can go. And it was actually kind of empowering. And I think, in a way, I don't. I've never talked to Taylor about this, but I'D imagine that would land with some like, hey, man, I would truly love to do this and make it work, but I'm actually up here living this existence.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And my father, who's, you know, not well, is coming to visit and family is happening and life is happening and I can't get there. And luckily he really understood and he said, that's okay, you can just send in another tape. So I sent him another tape and. And then he called me and told me I had the part. Yeah. It was just sometimes things are like, oh, this one was meant to be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yep. Just meant to be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So how did that feel, though, having to tell him that you can't make it to. Did you feel like you're giving it up?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I felt sick a little bit because you always want to be the A student and do everything you're told. But it also felt kind of empowering to stand up for. Like, this is like, this isn't me just saying, like, I've got other stuff going on.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. I want to.

[Patrick J. Adams]

It was like, I have responsibilities, I have my children. Like, it's an island, this place where we are. So if I were to leave it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That's leaving my family on this, like, Island. That's a 20 minute boat ride to get to the dock, to get to the grill. Like, it was just, it was not realistic. And so my responsibilities as a, as a father and as a son and all this word, you know, hey, man, I can't, I can't work. And luckily he, he totally understood it and, and we were good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And what was what? I mean, I'm sure this feels so different than other things you've worked on. Right. Like filming in, in Montana and the scenery suits.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We were in a warehouse on the outside of Toronto for seven years, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So how was this? Was this fun? Did it like, turn you on? Because I feel like a lot of people that work with Taylor, I feel like Luke Grimes now lives up there.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Didn't he move to Montana? Oh, you can see why.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And Ali Larder, I think she before lived in Idaho, but a lot of people live that lifestyle. Now. Did that, did that do anything for you? Like, turn you on to change your.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Makes sense. I'll say it makes sense to me why working on a Taylor Sheridan show would start translating into people moving to these places. Because you're also having like the best version of the experience there. You're working, which in our industry is rare sometimes. So you feel good. You're putting some money in the bank.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You're in paradise. You know, you have access to all the places and there's so many people on the production that know things about that place. You get to know the place really, really well really quickly. So, yeah, it makes sense. I haven't yet had that instinct. The winters in Montana, you guys didn't film. We don't film in the winter. So I will reserve my full desire to move to Montana once I've survived a winter.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But did you bring your family out there at all when you were.

[Patrick J. Adams]

They're in school, so they would come for like a week or two, but not, not for too long. Yeah, but they loved it when they're there. I mean, what's not to love?

[Amanda Hirsch]

It looks gorgeous. But you are like, you're more, you're not Russell, the character that you play. Look, I think, I mean, you're in a camper van.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'm much more comfortable in the, in the wilderness than, than Russell is. But I think I share a lot of qualities. You know, as they said, father to three girls, I've got sisters. I've spent my life kind of tiptoeing around feminine energy. How can I be helpful? How do I show up?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Patrick J. Adams]

How do, when do I keep my mouth shut?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You know, what do I get in trouble for? You know, so there's pros and cons to that existence. And I think Russell is, is living in that environment too, and he's trying to figure out how to, you know, to, to be his own version of a man. And, and I think that's shifting after the events of this show. So. Yeah, I relate to that part a lot. But I, I'm nowhere near as uncomfortable in, in the dirt.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, I like the dirt.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, that probably was so fun to work with that group of girls.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And be like the only guy really,

[Patrick J. Adams]

I can drop in with groups of women really well. And I think that served me well in this sense. Like, I, I, I think I know how to be that kind of brotherly energy. I think I'm a good listener, which is helpful in a group of women. Yeah, that part has served me very well and I feel very, very close to everyone in the cast. But like that core group, which is Michelle, Beau, Elle, Elena, the little 11 year old who is like the most miraculous person I've ever met in my life, and Amaya, that's an intense group of women that are all different ages and having different life experiences. And luckily they've like kind of welcomed me into their lives and they trust me. And, and it's a very Russell energy when I'm, When I'm.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. Very Russell. I, you guys, seriously, the Madison is so good. I can't wait to watch more episodes.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I'm so grateful to you for watching it. Thank you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I, I, I, I love it. I freaking love it. Everyone is so good in it, and I can't wait, wait to see the rest unfold as this family kind of makes their way through.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Thank you. I'm really, I'm super proud of it. I have a very tough time, as I said, watching myself.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you watch like that?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, yeah. So it's, like, awful, but I could not. The only thing that makes it better is how proud I am of everyone else on this show. I just think they are. It's so good, and it's so beautifully made, and it's all directed by the same woman director and DP Christina Voros, who just, I think, knocked it out of the park. It's just shot so beautifully, so it's so beautiful.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You were talking before about filming Suits, and I saw you posted that. Which also showed up on my fyp. The. Your audition tape.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't know why I posted that. I was. Yeah. Yes, I did post it. You.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You reposted it?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I reposted it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So a couple questions.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

First of all, because I've seen a lot of these kind of things, like. Right.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How do they make their way to the Internet?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I have no idea.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, who's posting it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Bonnie Zane, who casted Suits. I think at some point, maybe when Suits was on in a promotional thing, maybe they put it out once and then like, anything on the Internet, once it's there, it's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's everywhere.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you. So you didn't see that for the first time.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I also know when we did the. We were doing a podcast where we were doing like, a rewatch of Suits, and I think at some point on our social media, we may have even used the audition as a. So maybe that. But I think it was already out there before that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you've seen it before, but this time you.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I had seen it before, but for some reason in that moment, it just hit different. Maybe I was about to leave on the press tour for this or whatever, but, like, that's, like, the one thing I can. Again, I don't, I can't watch myself without, without feeling very uncomfortable. But there's some part of me that's very proud of that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The tape.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That guy. Yeah, just that guy who's like, I remember how Nervous. Those, those rooms are nerve wracking. You are in a room with all the producers and you feel like your whole life is on the line. And I feel like now I have enough distance from it that I can watch that little version of myself and be like, the ball's on this kid.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because this wasn't self tape. This was.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You're in a row in a room with executives who are all, you know, wonderful and kind and obviously kind of rooting for you to win, but it's still nerve wracking. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you have that suit. You said I saw it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, just before I left, actually. I was like, yeah, it's downstairs in the garage, hanging in a. In a locker. Like, I don't know what to do with it. It definitely will never go on my body again. It will not fit. But I gotta do something with it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like. Like maybe give it, like for charity.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, a charity thing. Or, you know, give it to one of my daughters. Maybe at some point they can fit into it, tailor it. I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It could be a cool blazer for a girl, maybe Taylor, right?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, yeah, anything's possible.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We'll be right back after the break.

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And we're back. So it made you emotional watching that. Do you still think about the time? I mean, you spent how many years on that show?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I was there for seven seasons, which probably ended up being about eight years.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Because the pilot. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So do you find yourself still thinking back on those. On those times, I mean.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I think about it a lot. It's also weird, though, because it. As it gets further into the past, it just becomes more of a. Like, it felt endless when I was in it, it was like my whole life for almost a decade. But, yeah, I think about it all the time. It changed my whole life. I mean, it's crazy. That was the thing About. To me, that audition tape just sort of represented that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Like, whoa. That one moment, being in that room and having that experience, that was the moment you kind of win this thing that went on to define a decade, you know, and give me so many things to be grateful for, you know, so many things. Like, not every. My life from that point completely changed.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So when you were in that audition doing that, like, when we're watching you in that scene, like, did you feel like you were killing it?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. I mean, I can see my nerves.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But, like, I guess, you know, having known that I got to play the part and do it for years, I also can still watch that as an actor and go, no, come on, a little bit more. No, you played it too much. You could have done more of that moment. Like, I'm still hard on myself, but no, I think he's doing a good job. I'm proud of him. Yeah, I'm proud of him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I know there were, like, a lot of headlines when you left or even later when you've talked about you left because of getting a little burnt out.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I was just totally burned out. I knew there were a bunch of headlines about, like, a lot of people ran with the drinking thing forever, and that was certainly a part of it, but it was just. It was just burnout. You're right. I was burned out. I was becoming a not nice person to work with because I was kind of becoming, like, frustrated that you get to a point of seven years of a show and you're just. You have to repeat things. Right. Like, you can't stay creative. You can't sort of be nimble. Things aren't changing that much. So I was just becoming kind of. I was so grateful and so enthusiastic and so excited about the. About what we were doing on suits. And then at some point, I. I became less so. And then I started to. I didn't have the tools to manage that properly, and so ego became a part of it and just sort of getting frustrated and never. I was not. I don't. I don't think anyone would say I was, like, a hard person to work with because I'm Canadian and I want everybody to like me all the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But internally, I was just feeling very frustrated and.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And like, you wanted. Did you want it to end like you wanted them to end it?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I think I. Or like to do some. To shake it up. I think I just wanted it to be shook up in a way that it shouldn't be. You had a great. I mean, you're making a ton of money and it's going well. So I understand why what I want is not necessarily what you're looking to do, but it felt like the right time at that point, you know, Megan was leaving as well, and I was just, like, had a great conversation with my mom who, you know, just said, like, well, what do you. What. What's the reason to do it? If you're unhappy, why would you keep doing it? And I said, I mean, the money make a lot of money. And she was like, then that's not a reason to do it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You gotta go. And that was a real gift to have, you know, that person in your life give you that reflection of, like, the money is not a good enough reason to do a thing. And they deserve better than that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Than to have you just around to make money.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did people try to get you to stay when you. When you made that call?

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, not really. I mean, Aaron is. We have a lovely relationship. I think he could tell that I was pretty committed to it. I think there was also a part of me that was trying to, like, prove to me you want me to stay. Not with money, but, like, make me want. And he was like, no, I'm not going to beg. We're not going to beg you to say, like, if you don't want to be here, you don't want to be here. Which is a really good lesson. She's like, yeah, you're right. So it was hard. But, you know, I'd also put my life on hold. I was. I was away from Troy and we wanted to get married. Like, we wanted to start our life together. We'd been long distance the entire time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

She was doing Pretty Little Liars, so it just felt like it was time. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Because I read also that. That you said it was the right thing for your marriage, but I guess you weren't married yet.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I think we got. We got married in 2016. Yeah, we got married in December of 2016. And I think my last season was just after we got married. Yeah, but it was like our marriage, our relationship. I just wanted. We wanted to start. We wanted to be together. We wanted to stop disappearing from each other's lives for months at a time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then you came back for the. For the last season, right?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And now I read.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, you mean, like when I came back for a few episodes, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And that was, you were saying, was really special because you got to experience the end of it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I was so grateful I got to Be a part of the. I think it would have been really hard to, like, be at a total distance from. From all of it. I mean, it was weird. It was weird to come back and be like, oh, you guys have been doing this without me. But they were so welcoming and, yeah, it would have been heartbreaking to not be a part of that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's special. And then there's closure on it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, exactly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's now done, but you finished it with everybody. And then the resurgence happens, which was crazy. Which was crazy.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Which is, I mean, unheard of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Unheard of. Did that. How did that affect your life when that was happening?

[Patrick J. Adams]

It was weird, right? Because I think that happened during the strike.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, strike.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I think we were in a strike.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I have. Baby, baby.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You weren't allowed to talk.

[Patrick J. Adams]

So, like, I wasn't. I wasn't feeling the, like, the, like, oh, look at the bump. Like, look at all this energy. Let's go take meetings.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, God.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And, you know, whatever you would hope for professionally from that moment was like, nope, you can't do any of that. So it was sort of happening in a bubble. It was just like this thing every so and then, like, reps would send, hey, by the way, you're on, like, the most streamed thing in the history of television. And it'll be like, okay. And is that residuals? No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Are we. Is there a job? No. Okay. Well, that's great. Yeah. I mean, it was exciting and, you

[Amanda Hirsch]

know, maybe, like, followers went up.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't even think that. No, no. I don't know how any of that works, but I didn't notice any noticeable bump.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You noticed the world doing it, but it didn't affect you.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Which was fine because I was also used to, like, suits, again, had changed my life. So I'm not walking around with any, like. Like, oh, I didn't get enough from.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Like, that's not the attitude. I got more than enough. But it was weird. And it was an interesting conversation within the industry of, like, also, wait a minute. A show can be having a moment like this, but who's getting paid? And that was an interesting conversation, but I chose very clearly. Like, I'm not going to get into a bunch of old resentment. You know, like, when I left suits and I had my own things going on, it took me a while to, like, get over all my bullshit that I was like, I'm not going back into that. I'm not going to start being angry at.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you guys have, like, a group chat of, like, are you guys watching

[Patrick J. Adams]

yeah, there was a bit of a group chat. I mean, again, years had passed by that point, but there was some back and forth of. Because, I mean, people were writing pieces in Deadline and stuff about, you know, doing the math of what people on Suits should have been making.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And it was the thing on Netflix.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

When you open Netflix.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was all just sort of surreal and cool and a testament, I think, to. I mean, the truth is, I have no idea why Suits is so popular. I've tried to do the math. I mean, I think we all loved each other. I think it's a great show. But, like, I don't understand when it hits the way that it hits.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. When it becomes one of those shows that, like, everyone knows everyone loves, it's in the zeitgeist. Like it's not just another show.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And I. And I don't. Maybe there is no reason. It's just. Just right place, right time, right people. I know we all, again, really loved each other. And I'm not, you know, saying that in the fake way. We got along really well. We worked our butts off. Especially in the early years when we were kind of figuring out what the show wanted to be. We all had a vested interest in finding those characters and making every scene as funny as possible. So I think part of that is clearly the thing. But I don't know why. I don't know why Suits and not another show, you know, and they did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They're doing a new one, like LA or something.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I think it got canceled.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, it got canceled?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes, I think it's done.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did they ask you to come on?

[Patrick J. Adams]

They didn't, which is probably why it got canceled.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I think, like, they needed. They needed.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, I'm joking. Aaron will kill me. I'm friends with Aaron. It's fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, they all. It was the same. All the same. People worked on it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I mean, I, I. What. I would comment on this because I don't actually. What I know is that Aaron had a show that he had sold that was not Suits la. And he's been open about this, so I don't think I'm speaking out of turn. He sold a show and then Suit, the Suits la. The Suits resurgence happened and became more popular. And they came to him and they were like, so this show you're making, could it be about lawyers? And he was like, sure, yeah, I guess we can make it lawyers again. And then they were like, okay, what if it were Suits? What if we just called it Suits la? So basically, they like retrofitted a Suits la.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Like, it was not what was intended.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gotcha.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And again, far be it for me to speculate on why a thing works or doesn't work. And I didn't watch Suits la, but I got the impression that it was not intended to be a suit spinoff.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gotcha.

[Patrick J. Adams]

So maybe baked into its DNA was not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, it's weird because when something like this happens, like a show is so popular, then it has the resurgence, like, whatever. It's like people are in rooms like that meme of, like, trying to figure out how we make money off this, how we keep this.

[Patrick J. Adams]

It had a bit of that from a distance. Again, I'm not in any of those rooms, any of those conversations, but it had a bit of that feeling, which

[Amanda Hirsch]

is the feeling of that would be to get you guys back. Do you get what I mean?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I was curious about that. Yeah. But I also. Yeah, I mean, look, again, I had to just sort of take deep breaths and be like, you know, you always want to be invited to the party. And I wasn't invited to that particular party. And again, like, have a great relationship with Aaron. I had other things going on, and so it was fine, but I just sort of watched from a distance and was like, yeah, this does seem strange. It seems strange that the first instinct isn't to try and get us all back into.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That wasn't. That wasn't on the table.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But again, like, he had another show, so maybe they were like, well, let's do this first. Yeah, then we'll do that. Like, I'm sure everyone would love the idea of getting us back into the same space. So I don't think anyone was like, no, we're not doing that. But I think it was. They were already far down the road.

[Amanda Hirsch]

People would die for that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I think. You know, I think we would. We would love.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Do. I know I can't speak for everybody, but, I mean, could you speak for Gabriel? I can't. I've. I've learned very carefully not to speak for Gabriel.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You guys have a cute relationship.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, we have a good relationship. We haven't spoken in a while, but. But, yeah, no, we get along well. We have a very good dynamic. We fall back into it quickly. We did a Super bowl commercial, like,

[Amanda Hirsch]

two years ago, and that was funny.

[Patrick J. Adams]

It was weird. It was like, oh, okay. Yeah, this. This gear will always be there, I guess.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Be the same.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, Yeah, I guess.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So we're good. We got you on record saying you'd be down.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm on the record as saying that anyway.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Make it happen. If you can make it happen.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean. So I'm not going to ask you annoying Meghan Markle questions because you get.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You're.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Gonna.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Okay, go. See how you do this. Okay, good. Go.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. You have no idea how I'm going to do this.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, I don't. That's fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I'm not. Because I'm not. I don't like being annoying. But I will ask you this. Has she ever written you a handwritten note?

[Patrick J. Adams]

In my life, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure I got a handwritten note. Impeccable handwriting.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Cuz I got one. That was my way to share that

[Patrick J. Adams]

with you for a thank you. Did you interview her?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. What?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Did you get a. Did you get a jam?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I got a jam. Did you? I got a jam.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You got a jam.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I did not get a jam.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You didn't get a jam?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I didn't get a jam.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Shut up. You didn't even get the sprinkles.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I didn't get anything.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I got the sprinkles.

The whole fucking thing.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't have enough followers, I don't think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I. First of all, you need to get on the list. Hello, everybody.

[Patrick J. Adams]

What happening? Are we still getting jams?

[Amanda Hirsch]

There was a first one and then the apricot. I don't know if there's a new jam.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That was the jam. Be real.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I didn't open it out of

[Patrick J. Adams]

like, you're treating it like a champagne.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's like in the box because. And her letter to me is in a separate box.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Wow. Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Of letters from people.

Because I don't have letters.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You don't have a lot of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I have like my friend's family birthday, but I was like, I need a new box for a Megan letter.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah. Her writing is like truly a work of art. It's crazy. It's. It's astonishing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Then after I got that, I understood and people had told me because of course I posted it because, you know, and everyone's like, yeah, she studied calligraphy or whatever.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Right. But I don't remember the story, but she like just did that on her own, right? She was just like, I just wanna. I just wanna do that. Yeah. It's something like she wanted.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She works have that skill in it or something.

[Patrick J. Adams]

She. I think she did for a second. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you have handwritten notes?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I don't. I can't think of one that I have, but I've certainly. I'm sure she's written. Yes, she's over the years. Yeah, for sure. Like, start gifts and wrap gifts and stuff. Yeah. 100.

[Amanda Hirsch]

See, you didn't know how I was going to approach that, but I did.

It was great.

The other thing that I thought is,

[Patrick J. Adams]

we should taste the jam, though. We should crack it on.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. We brought it for you. Yeah, I know. I'm such a frug. I'm like, keep it forever.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But it's not. But it's gonna go bad.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Does it? It's preserves.

I'm preserving that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

How long your preserves last, though, that's gonna go bad.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Now we need to look into. I also had this whole idea of taking the. The flower things. You know, her decorative flowers.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And, like, putting them on, like, a McDonald's hamburger and, like, making a video.

[Patrick J. Adams]

How would she feel about that?

[Amanda Hirsch]

And write that. But then I didn't, because I'm also preserving that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Have you ever met her? Have you guys?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I haven't met her, but. So the way that happened was that her show was coming out, and I had said on my Instagram, where I say, stupid, that, you know, I am worried for Megan because, you know, you've. You've been protective over her in the past.

[Patrick J. Adams]

What she's gone through is insane.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. So I am one of those people that's like, enough, you know, leave her alone. So I said, I'm worried this trailer will have people at her throat again. And she wrote me a note saying, basically, thank you for being afraid for me, but don't be like, it'll be fine.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That's what the note said.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That's lovely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I could quote for you.

Exactly.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But I know it went for a word.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know it went for word, but. Yeah, but that was that story. But I also thought. And I still think every time I go to your Instagram, that your bio, which is the other guy.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I gotta change that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, you cannot change it. It'll be bad luck.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, well, now I got a new show. Now we gotta, like, live in the. In the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, that is true. Yeah, it's so the other guy from that show they were watching on that app because that girl married that prince. So that you wrote when the show was having the moment.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I guess so. Yeah. Right. I must have been during the resurgence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the sort of thing that wherever Megan is, if she's ever read that, she's got.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Patrick, give me a break. Oh, she has.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You know, I got a lot of eye rolls. That was a constant with Megan just a lot of rolling her eyes at me, like, oh, my God, what are you doing?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did she ever say anything about the bio?

[Patrick J. Adams]

No. Never? No, no, no. But I'm sure I got an eye roll somewhere.

[Amanda Hirsch]

If I see you change, it'll be like, very sad day.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Literally yesterday or two days ago, I was like, I have to change that. I have to change it. So it's going to have to change soon. Yeah, it's going to go.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's going to go.

[Patrick J. Adams]

We got. We got our play for.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You are very good at writing captions also for your wife, Ryan. I'm like, her friends are probably like, her. Your wife's friend's husbands probably are like,

[Patrick J. Adams]

give us a break. Yeah, that's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, they're probably like, you are making us look bad because your captions for her are so beautiful.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I appreciate that. Sometimes I'm always like, this is too much, like, feeling in public is quite. I'm so happy to do it because I'm so in love and so, so in love with my wife and so grateful for her. And so I always feel I want to express that in as big a way as possible. But then I always have that feeling. I don't know about you. If you write something like that on social media, that as soon as you send it, you're like, oh, God, why am I living so publicly? I don't know. Maybe it's just my generation or whatever. Like, I start to feel like, no, nobody needs this. This is too much. But. But when it's about her, it's. It's sort of. You just want to sing it from the rooftop. So it's pretty amazing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's so sweet. Yeah, she's sweet. And you can fucking photograph her.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes. She let me do a lot of photographing for this. This pregnancy. She. We. We've. We've, like, done a number of different photo shoots. It's like, my favorite thing to do. I mean, I love taking pictures, and she just understands how I want to take pictures. So that's. She's been my. My greatest subject for my life. Yeah, definitely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's so sweet. I also saw the story of how you tried to. I mean, you were gonna. You were auditioning for Pretty Little Liars, but you really wanted to get it. She told this story on a podcast because she. You guys were broken up and you wanted to.

[Patrick J. Adams]

With me? Yeah, she had broken up with me a few days earlier. And then I remember I was at the gym or something, and I got a. I got an email saying, hey, we have an audition for you for Pretty Little Liars. But we're going to pass. Because at the time it was like, it was a very small part. It was like two quick scenes and a couple of lines. And at that point I worked up to, like, parts that were bigger than that. And I was like, nope, I want that part. I don't care what it is. They're like, what? I was like, I want you to use every. Like, I called my agents and I said, whatever goodwill or power you have, you give me this part and I'll audition. It was not a time when I could like, not audition, but I was like, I'll make a tape. I will do whatever we need to do. I will go in. And they were like, okay, this is weird. So I got the part just so I could call her and say, hey, sorry, I know that we're broken up, but I am going to be on set next week.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

And it was not a scene with her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Which would have been maybe a bit too stalkery. It was just like, I'm going to be around. And she was again, a lot of eye roll, like, oh, my God, here we go. And then we were back together.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it worked.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes, it did work well. I mean, there was a lot of work to do after that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

To like, you know, convince her that, that I was really in this and, and wanted to be together and do it properly. But, yeah, it was the. It was the end I needed at that moment.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How did you guys, like, you guys both give off and together and separately, like, very non Hollywood LA couple. Even though you're both in the industry, you both live there.

Right.

And like, how do you, how do you guys do that? What's. What's your secret?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't know if it's a secret.

[Podcast Guest or Advertiser]

We.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I don't know. I think we've been very. In some ways, I think we're too uncomfortable with a lot of it. We're always like, we got to be better at this. Like, we gotta go out more. We gotta go to more parties. Yeah, we gotta get dressed up. But, like, I think we're both introverts and I think we both feel much more comfortable, like, quiet and at home. And then we also really love to be actors. And so it's just a straight. We're very similar in that way in which, like, this is such a. Our work means so much to us. But there's this other part of our work that is the outward facing, the Hollywood part.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That we kind of beat ourselves up for. We're like, we gotta get better at this. Yeah, look at them. They go out, they're doing stuff. They're posting on their Instagram, they're doing stuff. And we're just at home in our pajamas. So, yeah, it's just. I just think it's just the nature of our personalities. We're like, pretty.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love that.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Pretty. Like kind of introverted homebodies. And especially when you add kids into the mix. Right. You know, it's like now where you have everywhere you go in the world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Exactly.

[Patrick J. Adams]

To go out is such a Herculean effort to get out into the world and do anything.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That it's just so easy to do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You ever have those times, though, when you turn it on, when you guys have done the pep talk and you're like, okay, this month we're. We're going to all the things we're invited to.

We're getting dressed.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Never followed through. We've threatened that. That it never works. And then there's. We are never at our. We're never worse than when we are on the way to something. Do you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Just like, crawling out of our skin. Just like. I can't believe.

[Podcast Guest or Advertiser]

What are we doing?

[Patrick J. Adams]

We're so tired. This is gonna go terribly. I'm gonna have to do an interview. I'm gonna sound like such an idiot. And then as soon as it's done and we come home, we're like, we should do this.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's always like that. It's always like that. Okay, a few quick questions before. Before. I've taken enough of your time.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No, not at all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wilderness or city?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, good question. I think as I'm getting older. Wilderness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, with kids, it's. Cities are good because there's. So. They just need stuff to do. But if it were just me in a camper van in the middle of nowhere. Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Taylor.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Favorite suits. Memory.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, my God. Honestly, like, there's. I mean, look, there's so many good memories, but shooting the pilot of that show was, like, one of the most truly magical times in my life. You know, it was. It was. As you make a show and you get into the seventh season, there's so many new people and writers and producers, and the people you made the show with originally are not there and whatever, but that core group of people that you make that first thing with before it's shared with an audience, before anyone sees. Seen it, it's just like, you know, I don't know. It's just like, I'm Sure. Your podcast or anything you've done where it's like, before, it belongs to the world. And it's just you figuring it out and deciding what font you're gonna use and what color the thing's gonna be. And, like, it's just creative.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

You know, it's just a pure expression of the creativity of the people you're with. That time on Suits and making that pilot, which I still think is really holds up, and I'm super proud of that. That. That episode.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, the first episode is.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I think it's kind of magical, and I think it's a big reason why the show hit. I think it hooks people quickly, and that was a result of just us all just diving in and having so much fun, and the creator really giving us license to play and try new things. And the whole goal of it was like, can we make each other laugh? Okay, this scene's good, but what if I do this? And you liked that. Let's put it in. There was no ego about where an idea came from, and that's hard to maintain that energy over the long run. And I think maybe that was a little bit about why I left, because I, like, missed that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You missed the whole thing.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I wanted to, like, go make a new thing and have that energy again.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Patrick J. Adams]

But a lot of good memories from that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Your favorite person to photograph, Troy.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, no doubt.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What? Do your daughters know what you do for a living?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, they know.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Do they care?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So do either of them have interest in this world? Yeah. Does it seem.

[Patrick J. Adams]

No. No, not at all.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you happy about that?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, we haven't. We obviously talk about it, trying to figure out what our position on that would be should it come up. But no, luckily, they just want to be veterinarians and unicorn trainers.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. This is a Madison inspired question. Would you rather poop in an outhouse with hornets or poop in an NYC subway station bathroom during rush hour?

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, no, that's awful. Oh, God. Well, can I deal with the hornets before I do it?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Could you?

[Patrick J. Adams]

I have to commit to the hornets.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, you don't have to commit.

[Patrick J. Adams]

I. I mean, I would go with the outhouse and just try and deal with the. Yeah. I have no problems. Outhouses. I love outhouses. The hornets, obviously, would be.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You were such a wilderness guy. Now we're discovering it through my.

[Patrick J. Adams]

My older sister lives off the grid in, like, in. On an island off the coast of British Columbia. I've spent, like, a good portion of my life, like, living wow. You know, going to visit her and being in the woods, like. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it all makes sense now.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, I love it. Who doesn't love it? You don't love it. You camp? You ever camp? No, not. And not interested.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm like a city. City girl. I'm like, oh, my God. When they were saying city mouse, I was like, oh, my God. No, I've never called myself a city mouse. I'm a. I am a city. I'm a city kid. I know, I know. Haven't gotten punched in the face.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Have you had, like, a miraculous natural experience, though, where you're like, oh, I get it. I don't want to do it more, but, like, I get.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I get it.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Where was that for you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, no. Recently, I went to Utah for the first time.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Oh, yeah? Where in Utah were you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, me bringing up Utah? I went to Park City for, actually, Sundance. It was.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Your natural experience was at the Sundance Festival in Park City.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I was like, it's a start. But I was like, yeah, it's a start. The mountains. I was, like, feeling it. I was feeling the air. I was like, this is different air.

[Patrick J. Adams]

That thin air. Well, you don't have a lot of air up there, so you're.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But it's so good.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I liked it. So maybe next up.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Yeah, you know, let's go on a camper van. Yeah, let's take this thing on the road.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Next up, camper van, baby.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Let's do it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, thank you so much for coming.

[Patrick J. Adams]

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knots Kenny. But not fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny, but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review.

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