Pop Culture Hour with Claudia Oshry

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat

Pop Culture Hour with Claudia Oshry

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Claudia Oshry ("Girl With No Job")
Date: May 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this special "Pop Culture Hour," Amanda Hirsch hangs out with Claudia Oshry, aka "Girl With No Job," for a lively, candid catch-up filled with unfiltered chat about pop culture—everything from influencers’ online branding to the messy world of reality TV, the Kardashians, internet drama, and the pressures and rewards of content creation.
The episode feels like a breezy, majorly unfiltered hang with your funniest friends dissecting celebrity news, social dynamics, social media beef, and the highs and lows of internet culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter & Realness

• Amanda and Claudia start with lighthearted banter about getting strep throat, supplement skepticism, and the relatability of catching yourself in a body image “hypocrisy”—like complaining about weight while eating ice cream ([02:32]).
• Amanda reflects on how getting older (or "growing up") makes you an expert in your own body and health quirks.

Notable Quote:

"You do get to be an expert in sickness. I was gonna say when you have kids, but it’s not true, because I was talking about me."
— Amanda ([00:54])

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The Power (and Pressure) of Online Handles

• Amanda and Claudia dig into the identity politics and brand value behind their Instagram handles (“Not Skinny But Not Fat” and “Girl With No Job”), tracing the trend of meme-style names from the mid-2010s ([07:10]–[10:03]).
• They reflect on whether it's worth discarding a well-known handle for a personal name, and how changing a username prompts a full-on brand reimagination.

Notable Quote:

"If you changed your username, you would also have to change the name of your podcast. ...If you’re going to change it, you have to go all in."
— Claudia ([09:25])

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Saying Whatever They Want: Balancing Honesty and Interviewing

• They contrast Claudia’s "say-anything" freedom as a non-interview podcaster with Amanda’s need to sometimes hold back in hopes of booking future celebrity guests ([10:09]).

Notable Quote:

"You can say whatever the f*** you want… I want to say whatever I want, but then what if I want [them on the podcast]?"
— Amanda ([10:11])

• Claudia shares the downside: when you talk about public figures, they might clap back or confront you directly (like the Michaela from "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives" incident) ([11:05]).

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Gender in Celebrity Scandal—Why Women Get Torn Down

• Deep-dive into how women like Blake Lively and Alex Cooper face swifter, harsher backlash online than men, and how “cancel culture” seems skewed by gender ([14:25]).

Memorable Exchange:

"You could never get the entire world to turn on a man like this… ever, the way that everyone… turns on women."
— Claudia ([14:25])
"Nobody hates women more than women."
— Jackie ([16:57])

• They discuss the viral “AI-mirror” sponsored bachelorette party, public shaming, and the ways gossip gets ugly when fueled by jealousy ([17:03]–[19:22]).

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The Rise of the "Scorned Woman" in Reality TV

• Amanda and Claudia examine the pop culture phenomenon of woman scorned by men becoming fan-favorite underdogs—e.g., Ariana Madix post-Vanderpump cheating scandal, Amanda Batula, and the Bravo “trajectory” for owning your heartbreak ([20:33]–[22:27]).

"Ariana was seriously so unimpactful...and now she’s the most famous one. ...It’s all because she got cheated on!"
— Claudia ([21:49])

• Claudia questions, why do we only root for women after they’re wronged, and why isn’t stability or happy relationships rewarded with the same attention? ([22:33]–[22:45])

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Pop Culture Pulse: Kardashians, Taylor Swift, & The Celebrity Economy

• Kardashian commentary: why Kim’s rumored relationship with Lewis Hamilton isn’t sparking major interest—“date someone ugly; surprise us!” ([29:41]–[30:57])
• The “era” battle: Amanda and Claudia float the theory that the pop culture stage is only big enough for either Taylor Swift or Kim Kardashian at a time, not both ([31:45]–[32:42]).
• Both ultimately pick Team Taylor:

"If I have to choose, I would choose Taylor… Taylor is my queen."
— Claudia ([32:44])

• Brief critique on why Kim can't let go of Balenciaga and the “hills we die on” in public, despite controversy ([33:30]).

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Motherhood Real Talk—Crunchy, Content, and Quitting

• Both women speak candidly about motherhood norms: Claudia describes being "crunchier" than she expected but not for herself, and questions the value of skipping microwaves and going all-organic ([35:39]).
• Claudia delves into her personal journey quitting The Masked Singer postpartum, stepping back for mental health, and realizing it’s okay to want less hustle after having kids ([36:06]–[40:59]).

"I feel like the Masked Singer taught me: that’s okay. I’m less crazy… now I have inner peace."
— Claudia ([40:48])

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Internet Drama: From Lena Dunham to Dick Pics

• Complex attitudes toward Lena Dunham: Claudia can’t forgive a Jewish boyfriend/dog article, despite Lena’s talent ([47:42]–[49:01]).

• Online scandals: rapid-fire thoughts on Harry Styles & Zoë Kravitz, Channing Tatum, Dr. Dre dating Michel from "The Valley," and the digital “receipts” culture ([50:02]–[53:21]).

• Summer House scandal: reactions and line-crossing of sharing nude leaks, privacy boundaries, and the “cancellation” machinery ([53:29]–[55:54]).

"When we get to the place where we’re sending around someone’s nude photos…imagine if this was a woman. Nobody deserves that."
— Claudia ([54:45])

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Branding, Virality, and TikTok vs. Instagram

• Claudia is not changing her handle: the names hold “cultural cachet” that serve younger and older fans alike ([61:53]–[62:00]).
• Internet beef: Claudia recounts being trolled by a future "Real Housewives of New York" cast member, and the bizarre world in which trolls can become public figures ([62:05]–[64:07]).

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp and Attribution

• "You do get to be an expert in kind of sickness..." — Amanda ([00:54])
• "If you changed your username, you would also have to change the name of your podcast." — Claudia ([09:25])
• "You can say whatever the f*** you want… I want to say whatever I want, but then what if I want (the guest)?" — Amanda ([10:11])
• "You could never get the entire world to turn on a man like this... the way that everyone turns on women." — Claudia ([14:25])
• "Nobody hates women more than women." — Jackie ([16:57])
• "Ariana was seriously so unimpactful... and now she's the most famous one. It's all because she got cheated on!" — Claudia ([21:49])
• "If I have to choose, I would choose Taylor... Taylor is my queen." — Claudia ([32:44])
• “I feel like the Masked Singer taught me: that’s okay. I’m less crazy… now I have inner peace.” — Claudia ([40:48])
• "When we get to the place where we’re sending around someone’s nude photos…imagine if this was a woman. Nobody deserves that." — Claudia ([54:45])

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Significant Timestamps

• [02:32] Amanda's ice cream/body image moment
• [07:10]–[10:03] Handle identity and rebranding debate
• [11:05] Claudia/Jackie on backlash from discussing real people
• [14:25] The internet’s gendered cancel culture
• [21:49] Ariana Madix & the scorned woman phenomenon
• [29:41]–[30:57] Kardashians: “Why does no one care about Kim and Lewis?”
• [32:44] Team Taylor Swift vs. Team Kim
• [36:06]–[40:59] Masked Singer & postpartum boundaries
• [54:45] Leaked nudes and privacy rights
• [62:05]–[64:07] Claudia’s troll-turned-Housewife “beef”

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Tone and Style

Completely unfiltered, conversational, and self-aware. Amanda and Claudia mix laughter, sarcasm, and occasional earnestness as they hop between pop culture hot takes and frank personal confession, never hesitating to call out hypocrisy (their own or others'), and always pulling back the curtain on what it’s like behind the DMs and headlines.

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Conclusion

This episode is a one-stop roundtable for pop culture obsessives who want to hear real talk about today’s celebrity circus, internet pile-ons, and the messy realities of staying honest—and sane—while living online. If you want to know what influencer culture, reality TV, motherhood, and gossip look like from insiders who refuse to sugarcoat, this is your hangout.

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Skip to segments as noted for deep dives on usernames and branding ([07:10]), pop culture cancellation and gender ([14:25]), and behind-the-scenes revelations on reality TV and motherhood ([36:06]).

Transcript

[Podcast Announcer]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I

[Claudia Ashrae]

still can't believe that I get to

[Amanda Hirsch]

chat with some of my favorite stars

[Claudia Ashrae]

on my very own podcast, where you'll

[Amanda Hirsch]

feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Happy and you know it. Clap your hands. I have everybody. Happy Tuesday.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Welcome back to the show. I have strep again.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I have strep again.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Isn't that weird?

[Claudia Ashrae]

But I also.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know, you know when you hear yourself, like, a broken record, like, everyone who asks me, I'm like, no. It's like, I knew.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, I knew the symptoms.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, I felt like it was the same symptoms. So he knew.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, it's just you do get to

[Amanda Hirsch]

be an expert in kind of sickness. I was gonna say when you have kids, but it's not true because I was talking about me. Like, as you get older.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I was gonna say, as you grow up.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Isn't grow up a better word than get older? Like, why does not say, like, grow up? Like, always say that when you grow up?

[Claudia Ashrae]

When I grow up, because, like, I

[Amanda Hirsch]

had strep, like, two months ago and was, like, literally bedridden. Like, really? It was terrible, terrible, terrible. And then I had kind of the same feeling, but, like, 15 of it, but the same, like, symptoms, like swollen lymph nodes. And it started both times with, like, a migraine. So anyway, but this is me unstrapped.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, I'm pretty okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, I'm. I'm okay. It just started with the same symptoms. And my mom, antibiotics again.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Amanda, antibiotics again. She's like, sending me coconut cold.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm like, fine, I'll buy it. I'll, like, you know, I'll do. I'll do it. You need vitamin D. And then the

[Claudia Ashrae]

thing is, I look at my blood test.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm like, oh, my God. Damn, I donate vitamin D. And then you guys were DMing me. Like, take vitamin D. Like, your vitamin D is probably low, and that really, like, affects immune system. I'm like, okay. Like, I should be taking more supplements. Like, I always tell you guys that I'm not a huge supplement person. Like, I have them all, by the way.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know. There are days that I don't believe in them. There are days that I'm like, you know, I'll just pee them out. Or like, who really even, you know, needs these things? And then. But I do think I should get on my vitamin D game at Le.

[Claudia Ashrae]

At the very least.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The only, like, thing I'm good about, really, is I'm really good with digestive enzymes. I'm like, I pop those, like, fucking. I'm like, I. I'm like, I know I constantly need help with digestion. Something so funny happened with my BFF last night. I was like. I was talking on the phone with my BFF, Tom, and. Or Tom, Really? That's his name. Don't Americanize everything, Amanda. And I was literally, like, just complaining. I was just, like, complaining about being fat. I know nothing about how fat. Here I am. Same mantra. You guys are gonna, like, think I have an eating disorder, but, like, not eating disorder. You think I'm gonna have, like, body issues, which I do. Don't we all? But I was just like, no, like, I don't understand. Like, all I do is, like, eat so healthy and, like, a workout and, like. And then I'm like, wait, I have to FaceTime you?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Because as I'm saying that, I'm literally eating ice cream. But it was such a funny, organic, like, moment because we're on the phone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm literally like. And I don't. Meanwhile, you guys, I'm like, the spoon is in my mouth. I'm like. And I don't understand. Like, all I do is I eat so healthy and work out, blah, blah, blah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And he's like, whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's consoling me, and I'm like, wait, answer. FaceTime. And then I'm like, spoonful. With that, he literally lost it. And I'm like, I'm in no mood. I'm still in the Robbie Hoffman episode. I felt like. I mean, you guys were obsessed with it, and that makes me really happy. I. Things that she said, like, stayed in my mind, you know, like, her. The way she talks. Like, just, like, that's fantastic, you know?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Or like, I'm in no mood. I'm in no mood. I just love the way she talks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And she's so charismatic.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I had to correct a few people

[Amanda Hirsch]

saying I loved them.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They were so good. And I was like, why are you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which I should have talked to her about. Like, some people are deciding that she uses they. Them pronouns, and she. She doesn't. So I enjoyed correcting those people for just like, over. You know, like, over trying to be. You know, I don't know what the word is, but it's like, no, she's not. She doesn't go by they. Them. She goes by she. So don't assume you're making an ass out of you. And Me, I feel like there was so much more to talk to her about. And again, I think she's so. She's so funny. She has her own sense of humor. And I just. I just loved our conversation. I'm so glad it resonated.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I'm so glad it resonated if.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What mood am I in? I don't know.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Anyway, let's get to today's episode.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Another fun one for you.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, I'm just full of surprises.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, I'm just full of. You know what I.

[Claudia Ashrae]

With this, guys.

[Amanda Hirsch]

This is what crossed my mind. I didn't say it to her. I was planning on it, but I don't know why I didn't come out, but I was planning on asking her at the beginning of the episode. Like, are we people's nightmare blunt rotation, or are we like, the collab we've been waiting for? Like, which one do you think that it is? And I think it's the collab you've been waiting for.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It is Claudia Ashrae girl with no job.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which, you know, we talk about that like our. Our handles of it all. And we, you know, I. I told her, I was like, I think yours is better than mine. Like your girl know job. At least you're not. Not gonna be. Not bad.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Anyway, obviously we get into pop culture.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love her takes. I love how unfiltered they are. I love how she just says whatever the she wants and she goes deep in on, you know, celeb topics and. And gossip and doesn't give enough. And we talk about why and how she doesn't give enough to say whatever the she thinks. So this is another. This is another treat for. Yeah, enjoy.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Hey. I'm so glad that we did that. I know. I texted you at like midnight.

[Jackie]

I'm like 4 in the morning.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Hi. But. Oh, you go to bed late 4 in the morning.

[Jackie]

I woke up at like 6.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh, no. I was having one of those nights where I was so tired but couldn't fall asleep and just having my best ideas, like inviting you on.

[Jackie]

Love that.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Do you know though, when that happens? Like, you think of all the things.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but I never do them. I just forget them. Like I do.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You're like, I'll wait till the morning.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm like, I'll remember in the morning.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No. So I'm like, you gotta do it.

[Jackie]

Do you have another pillow?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Do you want mine?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You sure? Yeah, you're my guest.

[Jackie]

Okay. Thank you.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Take it. I know you're no. Was like, you're no.

[Jackie]

I'm so short. Like, my feet never hit the ground. It's, like, embarrassing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Open luck.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Mine don't either. Really? How are you? I'm good.

[Jackie]

How are you? I'm feeling that skinny, but not bad, babe.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You came on maybe, like, Covid zoom.

[Jackie]

Because I think the time I was on your podcast, we were at both at home, right?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, it was Covid Zoom. I don't even know what we talked about. Probably.

[Jackie]

We're probably hilarious, honestly.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, we're probably really cute.

[Jackie]

Jackie wanted me to ask you because I find that you and I are in, like, similar situations with our usernames.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, no. That's so funny. Somebody DM me that.

[Jackie]

That you talked about on the podcast.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, but I swear to God, will you believe me that I was thinking about our interview, like, all week, and I was like, I want to ask her this question about handles, because I felt that too.

[Jackie]

And I want to ask you Jackie.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And then I'm getting messages like, claudia talked about this on the pod. And I was like, no, no, it's already on my notes app. Like, I want to talk to you about it.

[Jackie]

So I would love to know your personal journey with your username, because I love being girls. No job. I feel like so many people know it. I don't really feel any motivation to part with it. But Jackie's always encouraging me. She's like, you should just change your name to Claudia and what would you do?

[Claudia Ashrae]

But you have two accounts.

[Jackie]

I know, I know.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What would you do?

[Jackie]

Make one. And I would be like, Claudia. Claudia Ashrae. Like, just my name.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

That's just so unexciting to me. I don't know. I have no plans.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Okay, this is. We need to go deep here.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

So when you were girl with girl with no job, you started with memes.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Which, by the way, I came after you. I came after you. Fuck Jerry. All the names. Hence my dumb name.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's just.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Well, that's. But that's it. Like, when people ask me about the name, I was like, let me take you back to 2015.

[Jackie]

That's interesting.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Everybody had these names.

[Jackie]

It's true. And a lot of people have shed them. Like, we were talking on the podcast, like, something Navy. She's Ariel Charnist now. Like, there are people who have successfully,

[Claudia Ashrae]

I think something maybe also, like, clothes.

[Jackie]

I know. You know, but she did successfully become Ariel. Like, everybody calls her now Arielle.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh. Because people called her something Navy before. Didn't you post that? Somebody thought you were something.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. Somebody thought it was Something. Maybe in the park. I felt so skinny. Like, it was. They were like, oh, my God, something navy. They obviously just got their, like, Jewish brunette New York City influencers confused. But I was just happy that she thought I was something.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Maybe. No, but this is. Okay, so what I was gonna say is, like, you are different than me a little bit because you. Your podcast is the toast.

[Jackie]

It's called something different.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You have nothing girl with no job

[Jackie]

vibes anymore, but your whole brand, like, your mic, flag your car, it's everything. So how do you feel about notes?

[Claudia Ashrae]

I don't want to start a new Instagram. Like, a separate Instagram. Like, I'm not in that phase. No, you would have to change. I would just. The only thing I could do would be Amanda Hirsch and then, like, hashtag, not scamming a fat podcast.

[Jackie]

If you. Okay, if you changed your username, you would also have to change the name of your podcast.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Why?

[Jackie]

Because, like, you're not going to be not skinny enough that anymore.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Jackie]

You'd have to do a whole rebrand. I'm not suggesting that, but I'm just saying if you're going to change it, you have to go all in.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I mean, sometimes I do. Like, my name is dumber than your name for sure. On the level of, like, dumb dance. You know what I mean? Like, mine is like, what is happening? Yeah. You know, like, and if actors are getting pitched this pot and they don't know me, are they, like. Are they, like, am I going on a weight loss?

[Jackie]

Do you think that Ryan Reynolds, like, when he got the brief, was he, like, so confused?

[Claudia Ashrae]

I feel like if they don't know me, then they're probably confused.

[Jackie]

A lot of people do know you. They're probably following or like, sometimes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right, Right. It's only getting the publicist really like

[Jackie]

you is half the battle.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It's half the battle. I actually get jealous of you because I feel like because you don't interview, you can say whatever the you want.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Which used to be me.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I know.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Because you don't need to. Like, I feel like I want to say whatever I want, but then what if I want.

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course. No, that's so.

[Claudia Ashrae]

However, a lot of times I say, but you won't want them in the pod because you don't like that feeling. Because if so talk shit about whoever you genuinely wouldn't want on the pod.

[Jackie]

That's not the reason that we don't have guests, but it's a huge benefit. Right? Like, we didn't want to Be an interview show. There's so many of them that do it quite well. And I think that because we're daily, like, it's just not feasible that we have that many guests.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And we really wanted people to, like, tune into the show for us. Not, like, oh, it's a great guest. We have a million downloads one episode and three downloads the next.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So we intentionally did it for that reason. But a side benefit is that we do get to say, but it doesn't stop people from, like, sliding into the DMs, like, hating a clip or leaving a mean comment.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. Like, do you get, like, the people that you're talking about?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Coming in.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it just happened with Michaela from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Claudia Ashrae]

With the.

[Jackie]

With Jace, her husband.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh, she was defending the Hus. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And it's.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You made him the dick of the week or something.

[Jackie]

We have Queenie and weenie of the week. We just, like, don't like him. Mostly because of what he does. Like, he puts himself out on the show and they both. And it's like, I hate when people put their husbands. Like, make their husbands out to be the villain and then get mad at people for, like, hating. You made him the villain. You told us that he wants to have sex with you even though you have childhood trauma that you can't heal from. Like, you made him the weenie, not me. I'm just receiving what you're giving us. So it does happen that people will, like, engage.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Did you talk to her?

[Jackie]

No, she just left a comment, and we wanted to die. Like, we didn't do anything about it.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, dm.

[Jackie]

No, see, like I said, like, I'm not sorry.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I would get, like. You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Like, it's easy to do that, but when you don't have to rely, like, you would then maybe one day want Michaela on the podcast. She's coming up.

[Claudia Ashrae]

That's the example. You would want Michaela. She would not come.

[Jackie]

It was the most recent. But, like, you would, like, she's a good interview. She's a good get. And that's just not a concern for us, thank God. So it was just, like, awkward, and we wanted to die. Like, our buttholes were clenched.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Or even Ryan Reynolds, by the way, we're talking about, like, I interviewed him three days before. Oh, I called. Like, but when people are like, you had Ryan. I'm like, before.

[Jackie]

You know, that's so funny. Do people, like, conspiracy theorize about you? Because, like, he Follows on Instagram like

[Claudia Ashrae]

advertisement mobile because they, like, pay.

[Jackie]

Well, that's what I was saying about the vials too. Natalie and Nick, yeah, they. They have similar takes on the situation. To me, we're both like, a little more team lively and they're which, like,

[Claudia Ashrae]

hashtag, you're so

[Jackie]

extremely brave. I want like a purple Heart. I'm so brave. Yet they also have Mint Mobile as a sponsor of their podcast, which I think is a company that Ryan Reynolds once invested in.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So the people like on Conspiracy Theory. Well, they have Mint Mobile. Yeah, I'm sure you get that too.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, I also have mobile and Ryan.

[Jackie]

Oh, you're such an op.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You're, by the way, like Ryan, do you. Part of like I am. I know we're not allowed to use this word.

[Amanda Hirsch]

People make fun of it.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But like an empath. So, like, yeah, I'll always feel for the person being always dragged.

[Jackie]

And I'm sure you've been dragged in your life as an Internet person. So have I. So it's always my. I don't know if it's. I'm an empath. I just like, use my own human lived experience to be like, well, nobody deserves that. No matter what you think, nobody deserves that.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But like the Internet, just like the way I say it is like shooting these people on the street like you would if you saw them, by the way you're commenting, you would want to murder, execute this person.

[Jackie]

It's not that serious most of the time.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But don't you feel bad for Blake? Like, I feel so bad for her because, like, to me, I call it. I called her an untouchable before this happened. I thought she was one of those people and I used to make fun of her, like, style.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. I just want to say it's worth mentioning, I really did not like both Blake and Ryan before this whole saga. I still don't like them per se. Like, I think Ryan's digital footprint is so annoying.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They would be so excited about you defending them. And then you're ruining it with this I'm just thing.

[Jackie]

And this is like, makes my. My case like a little bit more. I'm not even a lifelong fan. I never understood why Taylor and her were friends. Like, I thought his, like, Instagram shtick of like my wife. I cut her out of the picture. Like, it's so fudgeing annoying. I hate that shit. So I'm not even like a lifelong fan. I just, like, see everyone descending upon her and I feel like it's wrong. But nobody Wants to hear what I have to say about Blake and Ryan. Like, do you think I get the most hate for it?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Do you care? Like, how involved are you in the case?

[Jackie]

So I'm not. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not reading every. Like, I have no idea what the deals are. I know I don't read the depositions. I just best. I base it more on, like, public opinion. And I think it's so easy. It's so quick. You could never get the entire world to turn on a man like this, like, ever, the way that everyone. All these brands are, like, making memes. Everyone's like, that would never happen. That would just never happen to a man. Not to be one of those.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But I know the thing is, I'm kind of becoming one of those, too.

[Jackie]

I am becoming.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Stop pitting girls again, even with the elites, by the way, I thought you call it slacks. So I have a, like, dyslexia, I think. And I've called Alex Earl. Alix Earl.

[Jackie]

Oh. I mean, that it makes it easier to talk about the two separately. But, yes, it's the exact same thing with Alex Cooper. I feel like if you want to, you know, go back in her history and find things that she did wrong, sure. You could never get everyone to turn on, like, a Jay Shetty like this or whatever. The. The equivalent armchair.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, but Nick Viall. Yeah.

[Jackie]

That's not the equivalent. They're not, I don't think, operating on the same level. Like, when I think of the male Alex Cooper, it's probably like, what's his name? Dax Shepard or.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, yeah, Dax Shepard, too.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But the whole world doesn't turn on him. It doesn't become the biggest news story in the world. And it's like, yeah, the whole article about her workplace was her husband yelling at people, but now it's like, alex Cooper.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I did hear, by the way, there is another article coming. Have you heard about this?

[Jackie]

Vanity Fair, Right?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Where is it?

[Jackie]

I did hear that they were, like, interviewing people that we know in the circle.

[Claudia Ashrae]

By the way, when we say we heard, like, that means, like, it's fact. It's fucking. It's a fact.

[Jackie]

When I say I heard, it either means it's fact or I read it in the TikTok comment section.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, that's all about the TikTok.

[Jackie]

It's in. People know about this.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They know about it.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They're probably doing everything they can to stop it.

[Jackie]

It's also been in the works, according to, you know, people that I talk to. It's been in the works for a while before this Alix Earl thing. I think maybe the Alex Earl thing has expedited.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They want to take advantage care that much about it being the husband. Do you get what I mean?

[Jackie]

Less interesting.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like it wouldn't be. It would be like the husband sucks. By the way, I had heard the husband sucks anyway because he was married to Claire Holt who's an actress that I love. H2O, right?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Which we made her do when she came on.

[Jackie]

Oh, I'm dying. Does she know the lore?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She was married to him and Aaron

[Claudia Ashrae]

Foster dated him and those are two women that I really love and they both agree things to say.

[Jackie]

Right? Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

So I kind of always knew that. But yeah, I feel like it wouldn't be as. Which goes with what you're saying.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We love to hate on women.

[Jackie]

We do. Nobody hates women more than women. I don't know if you were following acquired styles. Bachelorette party.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Were you?

[Jackie]

She's a tick tocker who got her whole bachelorette party sponsored and like an insane trip. This company, it's a brand new beauty company called Swan Beauty, they sponsored her bachelorette party. They flew all these girls private to St. Bart's for the weekend. Stayed in this insane villa. And when I say flew private like like Drake level, It's like a 747 has like a bedroom in the back. It was insane.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, what brand did it?

[Jackie]

Swan Beauty. It's a new AI makeup mirror with like, you know, the lights, like the makeup mirrors that have like the beauty lights. And it has. It's like peloton where you have makeup tutorials. It'll like show you what to put on your face. It's like this really high tech mirror and they sponsored the whole. It was the most insane trip this people were dying over the jet. I've actually never. It's like bigger than Kim Air. Yeah. Bigger than Kylie Air. Yeah. And it looked like our first one. And the second she started posting like of course these jealous bitches being like. Like this is so out of touch or oh my God, the jet fuel. I'm so glad this wasn't my bachelorette party. Like influencer, influencer. Meanwhile so fucking jealous. And it became this whole like big story. My whole for you page over the weekend was talking about this girl's bachelorette party. Meanwhile this is just a normal girl who worked really hard and you know she has a killer business now she makes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

She must be raking like so supportive.

[Jackie]

I hate that the Internet has made me into a woman who supports other women. Because people who say that they. I have downright. I have said my whole life, I know, I've seen. I do not blindly support. Some of the nastiest bitches I've ever met were women. Just because you're a woman, you do not have my support. I think most of you are extremely fudgeing sinister.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Honestly, I hate that the Internet made

[Jackie]

me because it's always these people who like wear T shirts that are like, the future is female and they hate women. Like, they turn on each other. And I'm like, I actually am a woman who supports other women.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And also like, would you want that Bachelorette?

[Jackie]

Obviously, people being like, I'm so glad this wasn't mine. Oh, okay, yeah, keep telling yourself that. I had a sponsored bachelorette party back in the day. My whole bachelorette party was sponsored by MGM because we went to Vegas. MGM owns the entire strip. When I tell you we did not lift a finger. Dinner reservations poolside. We were like, we had this fifty thousand dollar table at Siesto Wet Republic. Like, and this was like, how much

[Claudia Ashrae]

did you tag and post? And I don't even think there were that many requirements.

[Jackie]

And I did it because it was like so easy and fun. And I saw a lot of people, you know, they probably didn't even have that much fun. They had to like post and make content. That's just not true. They were having so much fun for free. Like, stop being fun. Everyone is just jealous. I think that's also a huge factor in the Alex Cooper debacle is that, like, people are really excited that like her moment is coming. Like, she's getting canceled. A lot of that is fueled by jealousy.

[Claudia Ashrae]

People make gossip not fun. Like, when I saw her video, I like, I got. I was like, you know, you know,

[Jackie]

also like people that we know and

[Claudia Ashrae]

enjoy and, and like, I would, I would enjoy this battle, like to talk about it, see what's happening. But yes, people that get like, way too, you know, involved and want to know, like, what they did in the past that can get them canceled or whatever.

[Jackie]

Going back through someone's entire digital footprint and looking for me. So annoying.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And didn't you say people are starting to say, like, I flew with Alex Earl?

[Jackie]

Yeah. No. And now it's like, one time I saw her on a train and she gave me a dirty look.

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, babe, this flight attendant, literally, I

[Jackie]

served both Alex Cooper and Alex Earl united Miami to la. And Alex Earl, like, gave me a hug because my grandpa died. Like, it was just Absurd. Like, I also, I hate stuff like that. When you go back and comb through someone's entire digital for people are people, they're obviously not gonna have positive moments.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Do you think this connects to. And this is just me thinking now because I also find it fascinating our obsession with scorned women being elevated and blowing up the way they are.

[Jackie]

Automatics.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

So is that the like, is that like, that's like we can only really support when you're in the. And then we really want you to succeed.

[Jackie]

So I have a really big problem with like the whole Arianimatics thing because, you know, Amanda Batula was on her way to being that. And it's like, you know, you get scorned by a man, a man who we all knew. Like we knew Tom Sandoval from the second Vanderpump. He is a bad guy. Like I could have told you that. But no, we had to watch you for eight seasons tell us how great he was and then, oh my God, he cheated on you with your best friend. So surprised. And now we're supposed to like lift you up. Girl, I could have told you that. The same with Amanda. Like, oh, you were in this atrocious marriage for 10 years. Like we watched him cheat on you. We watched him go to girls apartments and then you leave him and we're supposed to be celebrating. It's like, well, you're the one who made bad choices. Like, why are you now our queen?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Why? But why? Why then what? And we did we always have this. I feel like we, we didn't. Oh, like the Ariana trajectory, that's now like a thing.

[Jackie]

Sierra's on it now.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Sierra's fucking.

[Jackie]

She's a deserving queen. Like, like, yes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I don't care where it deserves it. I think I don't want to say more than Ariana. What I did say about Ariana was like, Ariana said this about herself.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I remember she had come on the pod before the thing happened.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And a lot of seasons she was kind of side character vibes. Like, nobody care.

[Jackie]

That was generous of you. Like, nobody had less of a cultural impact than Ariana Maddox. And it's insane that she's the most successful person from that show.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

She did not bleed out. When you think of what Stassi, what everybody. Kristen Doty. What? All these people bled out on this season one when they were poor.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And like Ariana was seriously like so unimpactful. And now she's the most famous one. It's actually remarkable.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right? It's all because she got cheated on and all because she got cheated on.

[Jackie]

It's insane.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It's insane.

[Jackie]

And I do think she sort of invented the, the.

[Claudia Ashrae]

The.

[Jackie]

The trajectory genre. Yeah. Because. Yes. Sierra, Amanda. It's like a Bravo thing. Lindsay Hubbard.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

On a smaller scale. On a smaller scale.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah. One of the reality star friend that I know was like, I want my husband to cheat on me.

[Jackie]

Well, that's the other thing people want. Why can't we be lifting up women who are in marriages? You know, what about the women who are just happily married?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

Why can't they get the brand deals? You know, like, why do you have to be a scorned woman to me?

[Claudia Ashrae]

So that's my question, though. But that's my question.

[Jackie]

Less interesting, I guess.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It is.

[Jackie]

It is. But I'm okay. I take my shalom by like, I take that over a brand deal any day. You know what I mean?

[Claudia Ashrae]

We'll be right back after the break.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

And it's like, girl, you deserve to

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Like that is the vibe. Like where have you been? Like people that wear tons of makeup,

[Claudia Ashrae]

like I, I, I, you know that

[Amanda Hirsch]

sounds so judgy today.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But like I don't want to judge.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I just want to say that I don't get it. I don't get putting that much into it.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I don't get covering your face and

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, what? You did get married young? We have the same. What age were you?

[Jackie]

I got engaged when I was 21 and we got married when I was 23.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Okay. That is okay. You could legit say child bride.

[Jackie]

Yes. And I do say child bride.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I will say, I say it

[Claudia Ashrae]

at 27, but it feels that way.

[Jackie]

I don't recommend, like I had an amazing experience, but I do feel like that's sort of the outlier maybe, like because I feel now when I. And I feel now as a woman of a certain age, I won't, I won't say what that age is. I feel very sure of myself. Like I really know who I am. And I don't think that was the case when I got married.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

And it took me and I really thought I did. I thought I knew everything, of course. But I'm so different, like I really am so different than the girl that Ben married. And it's very possible I could have, you know, grown into somebody that like, wasn't compatible with Ben. And the same goes for him. He was young too. He was 25. Like, so he could have turned into somebody I didn't really. Like, we're both so different. Like, you choose to grow together, but sometimes you just really don't. And so I feel like it really worked out for me, but I wouldn't recommend it. I do feel like we're more of an exception than the rule.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I agree. I agree.

[Jackie]

Like, I'm so different. Oh, my.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Who even knows who we were?

[Jackie]

When I watch Instagram stories, like, my Snapchat, when I. Oh, my God. Like. Like, who the is that? Like, I do not relate to that person at all. I feel so different from, like, the girl that I used to be. Honestly.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I mean, the 30s really are the decade of, like, knowing who you are vibes way more than you did.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I remember when I was younger, like, the car, the Kardashians, like, used to say that, and Because I feel like I've watched them through their 30s and their 40s, and they used to say how much they, like, loved being 30, and it felt so to me, I'm like, I never want to be 30. Like, honestly, that is so old. But now I look back and I'm like, I see these young girls. I'm, like, so glad that's not me. I'm tired. My back hurts. I feel very, like, happy where I'm at, honestly.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Speaking of the Kardashians and age, Courtney just celebrated 48 years old.

[Jackie]

That's so crazy.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Crazy, babe.

[Jackie]

Courtney is so good.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Age of, like, Chris, when we met, we started.

[Jackie]

They've been famous for so long.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Okay, so. But this is another thing I have questions about.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And, like, again, like, going back to me.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Kind of going back to me, like, interviewing back to me, like, is, like, I sometimes. Because, like, Kim follows me.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I'm like, is she mad I'm not posting about her and Lewis Hamilton?

[Jackie]

What are your thoughts on that?

[Claudia Ashrae]

So here are my thoughts. Why does no one care?

[Jackie]

Because it's not interesting.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Nobody.

[Jackie]

Nobody cares cares.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And it was boggling my mind. Like, she's, like, trying to hide herself at Coachella.

[Jackie]

You don't need to hide. We don't care why.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Okay, so what's your theory? Why does nobody care?

[Jackie]

I think it's, like, such an uninteresting choice. He's so obvious. Right? He's, like, the most famous rich athlete. Like, okay, like, I just want somebody to surprise me every once in a while. Like, date someone ugly.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Pete was almost shocking.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think there was also just a lot date somebody ugly. Like, it's kind of how, like, you know, everybody dates Tom Brady. It's like, okay.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

Tom Brady just keeps dating models. Like, what if you dated, like, somebody ugly?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, just.

[Jackie]

That would surprise me. That would make me think a lot of you, honestly. And just nobody surprises me anymore. And the Kim Lewis Hamilton thing is just, like, so obvious.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Nobody cares. I feel like media outlets don't care.

[Jackie]

She's paparazzi herself. I'm telling you, nobody cares.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But can I. I don't you think, as we know, Kim, it's bothering her. She's. She's dying. Yeah, I think she's dying. And that's why I had this thought, like I told you, I get thoughts late at night, at midnight, and when I try to go to sleep. And I was like, is there a world where Kim is, like, going through my stories, being like, why the. Isn't she. Why. You know, she used to post about.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia Ashrae]

My. My thing every day.

[Jackie]

Well, she's just not in that era right now. She's in her mogul era.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I don't think she would choose. I think that if she knew mogul era, slash TV actress era meant no more most famous person on the Internet, she would not want that.

[Jackie]

Well, I do think. And this is going to be like, me being toxic, pitting women against women, but that's what I do.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Kylie.

[Jackie]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Jackie]

I do think that there really can't be a shared moment between Taylor and Kim. I think one of them is always, like, right, like, having a moment. And I think it's kind of been like, the Taylor years for, like, the last two, three years between her and Travis. And I think, like, one sort of has to take a back seat to the other. It's the way that, like, Taylor doesn't go to the Met Gala ever, because it's like the Kardashian sphere. We really do think that. I think that, like, people can't. You, like, they just both can't have a moment. I really feel that, like, and I think there are years that are so, like, the Pete Davidson. Like, those two years, Kim was on fire. Taylor was very quiet. Now it's like Taylor and Travis in the Wedding. Like, I just think, like, and especially, like, in the last couple of years, so much news about celebrities, like, is around Taylor Swift. Like, she's just this, like, people orbit around her. And the Kardashians are completely erased from that narrative. Like, they're never in any. They don't go to the Eras tour, even though I know the kids are dying to go. Like, they can't really participate in half of pop culture because half of pop culture is Taylor Swift. That's how I feel.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But you love both now.

[Jackie]

I do.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Or do you have a team?

[Jackie]

I think if I were to have to choose, like, I would choose Taylor.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I don't even think I need to think on that. Like, I absolutely choose Taylor. There were a couple of years where I was, like, really divided. Like, I could not side, but now I'm like, no, I'm team Taylor. Like, not even in the Kanye thing, because I think you could argue both sides of that. Like, everyone was wrong, like, for real, but just in life, like, Taylor is my queen. So are you, like, a swifty hater?

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, no, no. Do I give that?

[Jackie]

Yes, definitely. But I think maybe it's more because you're so obsessed with Kim. That's just how I feel.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, see, you're pitted. You're, like, making it a thing.

[Jackie]

Yes. I'm sorry. I'm not making anything. It's a thing.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It's a thing. No, I'm not. I actually. I went to the Eras tour, and I loved it, and I love her music. I'm. I'm not, like, inspired by her style or, like, I think a lot of people are. Well, I'm not inspired by Kim. Perfect. I. You know, neither.

[Jackie]

Like, what's with the Balenciaga? Can I ask you that as, like, the Kim historian? Why can't Kim let go of Balenciaga?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, it's.

[Jackie]

She's a mom. She's such an advocate. Like, it's really gross because of the. The child thing and Hollywood in general. But I feel like Kim was the first one to, like, really? And then she, like, is obsessed with Demna and, like, followed him to Gucci. Like, why Hollywood, specifically the Kardashians, Why can't they let go of Valencia?

[Claudia Ashrae]

She has those hills that she's willing to die on that I don't get.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You know, and I was like. I also question that. I forget about what. But she has other ones that she just.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she.

[Claudia Ashrae]

That she's like, I don't care what anybody thinks. I'm gonna keep doing this thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And you're like, why would you do that?

[Jackie]

It's not even, like, the clothes are pretty. It's like leggings.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But, yeah, her style isn't close. Courtney had a amazing style era.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's not now.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It was the units era.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I was just wonder if it's an age thing. Like, don't you wonder aging them out?

[Jackie]

I wonder if Kim. I mean, if Courtney is still breastfeeding. Do you think she Is. I do think so.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I do think she is. I think she's starting to get back to herself now. I think it took her a long

[Jackie]

time and she took a crunchy route for sure.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, she's very. But. But she.

[Jackie]

Are you crunchy like at all with your kids?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, what I feed them and stuff?

[Jackie]

Just like. Like your maternal philosophy, like organic clothes, things like that?

[Claudia Ashrae]

No, organic.

[Jackie]

Plastic bottles.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Glass bottles.

[Jackie]

Glass bottles.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I mean, have.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do plastic.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I'm actually not. My sister just had a baby and she's very like. I was like, can you just buy the honest wipes? Like, everything she's buying. Did she do like, the like ones probably from.

[Jackie]

Well, because, you know, Lauren Bosta came on the toast when I was on maternity leave and she kind of set the crunchy mama world in a tail spin because everybody uses this brand of wipes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And Lauren said she got her like, blood tested and that like, they found that like all this toxins were coming from that particular brand of wood wipes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Even though it's 99 water.

[Jackie]

Allegedly.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Allegedly.

[Jackie]

So now I'm using coterie wipes and expensive.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Are you crunchy?

[Jackie]

You know what? I'm more crunchy than I thought I would be. Definitely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And yeah, I would say I am. And I don't apply to my own life. For me, I'm like scrolling till three in the morning. Like, everything I wear is made of plastic. Like. But no, we do organic clothes. We do glass bottles. I try not to use a microwave. Like, really crazy.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You try not to use the microwave?

[Jackie]

Yeah, the microwave.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, what's the deal with the microwave?

[Jackie]

Well, you know the iconic Lindsay Lohan movie Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, where like, her mom is like kind of like like tin foil hat and she doesn't use the microwave.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I just feel like it doesn't emit good things and I don't like to heat up food for the kids, you

[Claudia Ashrae]

know, but you use the microwave.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, like I said, rules for thee, not for me. Like, I am toxic. Like, I made of plastic.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, can you tell me a little bit about the masked singer experience?

[Jackie]

It was tough. It really was. It was.

[Claudia Ashrae]

When did you do. When did you film this?

[Jackie]

So when I was like four months postpartum.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What? I know this opportunity came out of nowhere.

[Jackie]

Came out of nowhere. And I don't know why. I just felt like I had to do it because, like, it's my. I love to sing. Like, I literally, if I could famous, if I was here singing, like, that would be my dream. And I You know, in this industry, you feel like if I don't take this opportunity, it'll never come again. And I did it and I just. I struggled.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Where did you have to go?

[Jackie]

La. I moved everyone to. Out to la. Like, it was really. It was hard. I was still breastfeeding.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And it just. I should have just waited a year. I think they would have had me the next season.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Said just, yeah, I need time.

[Jackie]

But I just felt like. I just felt like I had to do it. And I couldn't tell if it was, like, the universe telling me to do it or not to do it, because the concept of being, like, hidden in a mask postpartum is a dream. Like, nobody needs to see what I look like. Right.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And so how sweaty is it in there?

[Jackie]

So hot. And you really have to get in it. I thought for sure. I'm like, there's no way Tiffany Haddish is in there. Like, we're obviously all like, no.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What did you. Wait, so what did you think that.

[Jackie]

I thought that you would, like, pre record and there was, like, a person in there. I'm like, there's no way they're putting celebrities in there there. No, you really are. And it's very warm.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh, wait, wait. What animal were you a corgi?

[Jackie]

And I will say everybody who worked on the show, any issue I had with this show was like my own personal journey. The people who worked there were wonderful, like, very understanding. Lots of, like, pregnant mamas, like, on the executive team who really helped me. Everybody who worked there was so nice and amazing. I didn't have. It wasn't like a toxic workplace. I just was in a bad head place.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, you left?

[Jackie]

I did. I made the decision to, like, eliminate myself from the show because I just, like, I was really unhappy, like, living in la. Being postpartum. I didn't really struggle at all with, like, any sort of postpartum. I was really very, like, a very happy postpartum person. And I think, like, picking up everything and moving tail. I, like, set something off in me. And I started getting such battings. I've never had anxiety in my life. Like, my hands were tingling. Like, it was. It's. It set something off within me that, like, I never want to feel again. And I. I just, like, knew and I had, like. I have such an amazing, like. Like, agent, and it's. Everyone around me is a mom, so they were like, you. You don't have to do this. Like, we can help you. Yeah. And it was very refreshing because you're used to like, you know, Hollywood sets, like everybody, like, you know, not.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They're not used to it.

[Jackie]

You know, like you. There's a certain stereotype of people and how like, they don't care. Like, just go do your job.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I hate to like reneg on a commitment, but I was really, really unhappy. Like, I could not have lasted, I swear to God, one more minute.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And when you quit, did the anxiety and stuff.

[Jackie]

I don't like to say quit. I unmasked.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Jackie]

When you. Yes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

When you. First of all, I think quit. If I could look back at situations

[Amanda Hirsch]

in my life that I didn't quit

[Claudia Ashrae]

when I should have quit, I'm like, yes to quitting.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I will say the second I like left the stage for the last time, I. It was like, I don't know if I've ever been happier in my whole life. Like, for real, like, it. And the fact that I left on good terms with everyone. Like, I was obviously worried about like having a bad relationship with the network and just like being, you know, getting a reputation for like, you know, not finishing your commitments and. Because that's really not who I am. Like, I just do things even if I don't want to do them. But I. Everyone was so nice and I still like text all the people there and I think everybody was like happy with the performance and stuff. Like it couldn't have ended in a better way, honestly. And I feel like I was also able to like, I don't know, be an example to people. Like, when you become a mom, like, it's okay to just like, want to be a mom. Like, you have to like, keep being like, hustler. Hustler. Like, it's okay to take a minute and say no to stuff that like you might have. Have never said no to before.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You know, like, we hear so much like Hollywood, like, Mandy Moore goes back to work six weeks postpartum.

[Jackie]

And a lot of times that's not me.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And a lot of times we like kind of clap like women.

[Jackie]

Yeah, we're amazing.

[Claudia Ashrae]

We're amazing. But a lot of times I feel like it's also what you're saying, which is like, no, take a.

[Jackie]

They're all good.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You know, you can take six weeks off of work and you can take six years off of work. Like, they're all good. But I just feel like I don't really hear people talking a lot about like. Like I feel like maybe it's like looked down upon to like have less ambition after you have a baby, but that's definitely been my journey. And I feel like the mas singer taught me, like, that's okay. Like, I'm. I'm less crazy. Like, I was really before. Like, hustler, hustler. Any opportunity, let's go here, let's go there. Let's do this. And now I have.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It puts things like, I don't need

[Jackie]

to be doing all of that. Like, and I really. I'm like. And I mean it when I say, like, I'm really okay with that.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I love that.

[Jackie]

It's okay.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I love that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah. I mean, I did have my, like,

[Amanda Hirsch]

year of yes moment.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But typically, at my core, that's who I am. To be very, like, content. Yeah. With what I. I think, like, I think contentment is, like, underrated.

[Jackie]

Inner peace.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah. Like, just to say, like, I'm actually good with how things are and I don't need to be like, exactly.

[Jackie]

You know, and I. I think, like, people always love to ask people what we do. Like, what's your five year plan? And, you know, maybe for a while I had one, but for now, like, if my five year plan is, like, if everything stays exactly the same, like, oh, my God, I'm so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love that.

[Jackie]

Like, I really want for nothing. And it was an amazing experience. It was so cool to be on TV singing, like, my dream.

[Claudia Ashrae]

People. People guessed it was you, right?

[Jackie]

I mean, a voice like this can't be mistaken.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Do. Is there, like, not regret, but, like, do you wonder how far you would have gotten?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Especially knowing who won the season. Ashley Simpson. Like, I feel like I could have made Wait.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Ashley Simpson won the season and Evan

[Jackie]

Ross was on it too. So, like, they competed against each other.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They know.

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course. I think.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, I think.

[Jackie]

But yeah, there were people, like, I. I definitely would have made it pretty far. So a part of me does wish I just waited till I was in a better head.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And it's not something you can, like, do again, obviously, because then it's like, everyone knows. Yeah. No, but that's so funny. And to have that, like, under your belt is, like, something that you did

[Jackie]

now in hindsight, like, six months out, like, it's okay in the moment. I really was not okay.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Did the taking yourself out of there? Did the anxiety go away immediately? Amazing.

[Jackie]

Immediately.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah. Because I feel like, because you did

[Amanda Hirsch]

it right on time.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah. If you would. If you would have said, let me finish this with the shakes, with the whatever, you might have gotten stuck there a little.

[Jackie]

Like, Like, I've never had, like, such a physical manifestation of, like, my mental health. Like, I was getting stress headaches. Like, I had migraines for days. Especially, like, I found out in the summer that they offered it to me. And I didn't leave till October. And up until, I think I left on a Sunday, up until the Wednesday, I still wasn't decided. It was something I struggled with so much. Should I, should I, should I? And it really wore on me. And I just, I don't even know what I would do differently. And now I look back on the experience so positively. But that's why it's important to have mamas in places of power, because there were mamas who got me out. Like, they really did.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, they understood you. 100.

[Jackie]

I didn't have to explain why I was, like, having anxiety while breastfeeding in the trailer. Like, like, they just got it. I didn't have to explain.

[Claudia Ashrae]

We'll be right back after the break.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, I feel so bad that you're

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

So I always look at that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, the difference with spin drift is

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

Spindrift flavors have actual flavors.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's also unsweetened.

[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

It's just a few calories from the real squeezed fruit.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Light, bubbly. I love all their flavors.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The lime is like my OG the lemon lime, the blue and the green. But cherry, their newest flavor. So freaking good. Island punch. Just so many flavors.

[Claudia Ashrae]

The grapefruit.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

Did you read Lena Dunham's new book?

[Jackie]

I didn't yet. Did you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Claudia Ashrae]

I listened. Are you a listener or a reader?

[Jackie]

I'm a reader. I have a very complex relationship with Lena.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Tell me. Because like, she's my. I don't know why I feel like, like, so when I say obsessed with her, it's like undermining it. Like I feel like I just. If she could speak to me all day.

[Jackie]

I definitely think she's a generational talent. Like absolutely. And I hate that she did this thing that I can't get over because I can't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which one of them she wrote an article about?

[Jackie]

When she was dating Jack Antonoff, who's Jewish, she wrote an article for like some fancy publication. It might have been like New Yorker or New York magazine. And it was like, like, who said it, my dog or my Jewish boyfriend? And it was so condescending. It was such a bad reflection on her and also on Jack Antonoff. Like, you let your girlfriend talk about you like that publicly? That I never forgot it. Like sometimes people do stuff and I forget.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like you remember the moment.

[Jackie]

Like it was like, I can't get. I've hated her ever since then. Like for real.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And I Think that's the thing. Like, people hate Lena Dunham. I thought you were gonna say the article about her standing up for the sexual. Well, well, that.

[Jackie]

That's weird, sister. There's a lot of things for me, it's that. And it gets in the way of, like, I can't be objective about her. I can't be objective about girls. Like, I. It just makes me hate her so much. And I know deep within, like, a lot of what she writes about, like, girlhood, about fame, really resonates with me.

[Claudia Ashrae]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jackie]

But I can't get past the article. And if she were to apologize, that's all I want, I. I would be okay.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Because she, she. She has something she apologizes for in the book, which is like, she defended a writer from girls against a sexual assault allegation.

[Jackie]

Yikes.

[Claudia Ashrae]

That was her, like, kind of cancellation moment. So that when you said right about. I was like that. And you're like, no, Jewish.

[Jackie]

She also is an important figure in Taylor Swift. Her story. And my favorite Taylor Swift song, like one of my top 10, you're in love is actually written about her. And I'm like, oh, my favorite song.

[Claudia Ashrae]

She's best there. She was a bridesmaid in her into. In Alina's wedding. Interesting.

[Jackie]

And she writes really, like, beautifully about Taylor.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But then, like, Lena is best friends with Amrada, which, like, doesn't align for me.

[Jackie]

And Jack Antonoff cheated on her with Lord. Like, we were talking about this on the toast today. Like, Taylor's wedding is actually going to be just extremely awkward because, like, Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles, like, probably are

[Claudia Ashrae]

going, okay, let's talk about them for a second. Wait, so finish. Why is it awkward?

[Jackie]

Because Lena Dunham dated Jack Antonov and he cheated on her. And Jack Antonoff is going to be at the wedding with his wife, Margaret Quaily, and his ex girlfriend, Linda Dunham will also be there.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

There's a lot of, like, wires being crossed.

[Claudia Ashrae]

So another couple I really don't care about is. Are Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz.

[Jackie]

People do not like when I say this, but Harry Styles is not in. Is in his flop era. His album came and went so quickly. Like, made no impact on the music industry. I happen to really, like, be living for him and Zoe Kravitz, especially because I heard, and by heard, I mean TikTok comment section that they're getting engaged because he really wants a baby. And I just love, like, I need more people to have babies. I Need Taylor Swift to have a baby because, like, I need to write music about it so I can relate to it. Like, I selfishly. Like, I need all my people at

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wet Stand, but you're into them as a couple. You see photos of them holding hands on the Brooklyn Bridge, and it tickles

[Jackie]

your schnitzel more so than anyone he's ever been with.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Really.

[Jackie]

I think they're so cute. And she sounds like a great gal. Like, she was with Channing Tatum and

[Claudia Ashrae]

I loved, like, a hundred times.

[Jackie]

Okay, Love that. Like, seriously love that that. I love that. And I just want to say, like, because people used to say that about Taylor Shift. Like, she has a million boyfriends. And it's like, so would you if you would looked like that and like, you were famous. Like, if that was me, if I was Taylor Swift and, like, I'm this burgeoning young artist. I'm gorgeous. I'm skinny and blonde and tall. Everybody wants me. I would have had 10 times as many boyfriends as.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And, like, hotter.

[Jackie]

I would have dated every single person who would have gone on a date with me. Just for the story. Just right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That is. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I kissed John Gyllenha, Jake Gyllenhaal. Like, I would date them all. I would take them all. And that's what Tony Kravitz is doing to anybody who's, like, hating on her. They're jealous.

[Claudia Ashrae]

See, Channing Tatum posted, like, a weird poem thing to his story.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I do think ch. I like Channing Tatum a lot, but I can definitely acknowledge that, like, he was probably the problem in that relationship.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I feel like he's just, like, a dud.

[Jackie]

I still ship him and Jessie J. I know she has moved on and, like, had a baby, but I thought they were such a cute.

[Claudia Ashrae]

That was cute.

[Jackie]

It was. It was so random.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It was. I know. I was king.

[Jackie]

Dr. Dre and Michelle from the Valley. I love random.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, Dr. Dre. I feel like that was Dimwaze. Highest engagement post of the year.

[Jackie]

Just about died.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What? What was that?

[Jackie]

I have no idea. And Jackie, my sister on the podcast, said, do you remember, like, a season or two ago on the Valley when they were accusing Michelle of having, like, a billionaire boyfriend who, like, pays her bills? Yeah, maybe it was Dr. Dry.

[Claudia Ashrae]

He's looking good. He's looking.

[Jackie]

I would say he's looking good.

[Claudia Ashrae]

He's looking fat.

[Jackie]

It took me, like, 10 minutes to. To fully understand what I was looking at. It was. I was so confused.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, what is happening?

[Jackie]

Two people, like, who have probably never been in the same room. How do they even meet each other?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Are you watching the Valley?

[Jackie]

I'm not.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You're not.

[Jackie]

I know that, like, I, I, I was watching up until recently.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So many of the characters are so unlikable. And I happen to think that Michelle's ex husband, Jesse is one of the most evil men to ever walk stage on Bravo.

[Claudia Ashrae]

He. So he gives you, like, evil vibes.

[Jackie]

I think that when we talk about, like, almost like Zach, Brian.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

Like these really abusive men. But it's not abuse that you can see.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Right.

[Jackie]

It's like, narcissistic. It's a verbal.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I feel like he is probably one of the worst people you could ever be married to. And he's definitely the worst person you could be divorced from. Like, just his behavior and, like, using their kid.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I just, I get such icky vibes. I love that she's with a billionaire. I know it's making him sick. I know it's making him sick that she's, like, in this big star billionaire relationship.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I love that.

[Jackie]

I hope that they are together forever just because I know it makes them sick.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Another thing we have to talk about. Did you see Westies eggplants, testies? Wesley's testes.

[Jackie]

I can't. I did. I did see it.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I did, too. How do you feel about it?

[Jackie]

So obviously I don't feel good. I don't even know what to say. Like, I feel so uncomfortable. I think that, like, when you think it's for sure him.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

His face was in.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But what his face was in one. I can't remember. I'm me closing my eyes.

[Jackie]

I hate when things like this happen because now I'm going to be over here having to defend West. Like, no matter what someone does. Sending Nick and I. I did not send it to anyone. It came in my DMs. Like, I did not seek it out. I think when we get to a place, when we're sending around somebody's naked photos, imagine if this was a woman. Like, I'm sorry, I'm. Nobody deserves that. I don't care what you do unless you actually are a murderer. Like, I agree you he did something extremely, extremely unethical. But I hate when we get to this place, like, stop sending people's naked pictures around.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But what is he doing sending his, his naked pictures?

[Jackie]

These, like, short bravo liberties. Like, they think they're so hot. They think they're untouchable, unfin, touchable. And he thinks that he's hot because only somebody who thinks that they're like extremely good looking. Takes a picture like that. I would never. Like, I would never.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It is a wild picture to take. But I think also if you're a, A, you know, a Bravo Liberty, you shouldn't be sending your dick pics, especially

[Jackie]

with your face in it, because it could be anyone. Until I saw your face.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I'm trying to remember the face. I was focusing on a lot of other things happening there.

[Jackie]

There was a lot going on.

[Claudia Ashrae]

There was a lot going on.

[Jackie]

But I just, I don't, I don't endorse that. Like, that's so wrong.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I like your level headed because again with the murder on the street, like, what they did was awful. There's no, no one's like, team Amanda and Wes. Like, that doesn't exist.

[Jackie]

Like, they're getting it enough.

[Claudia Ashrae]

They're getting it enough where we don't have to. Like, like, again, people are going back. I loved when you said that, by the way.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, I've always.

[Claudia Ashrae]

By the way. She wasn't untouchable. Everyone was like, you're Haley Bieber. She would post photo dumps and wearing

[Jackie]

T shirts being like, this is the sickest outfit I've ever seen in my whole life.

[Claudia Ashrae]

People were upset.

[Jackie]

People like, she has better fashion than Paige. Like, she doesn't.

[Claudia Ashrae]

People were obsessed with Amanda. She could do no wrong. So I loved when you said that, that it's like, don't come out of

[Jackie]

the woodwork at the time. Like, seriously. Shut up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another thing just on the naked picture thing is an. An element of this story is that there was a video. That's how Sierra found out. I think we'll get the timeline on the reunion. But what I had heard, which is I believe the truth is that somebody had gotten a video of Amanda and West and that's how Sierra found out.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And the video was like taken in a really intimate situation without their knowledge.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And while, yes, they're bad, they're evil. They did something really bad. Like, that's not okay. You can't. I can't film.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What do you think? What do you think?

[Jackie]

Like, what I had heard was that they were, you know, getting it on with one another in one of their apartments. I don't know who.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Somebody's in the window.

[Jackie]

Somebody who like, lives across the street. Like, and they must know that, like, you know, west or Amanda from somewhere else lives across the street. And so like just got lucky and, and saw it at the right time. But that's what I had heard. And that's just also like, sorry, you're gonna make me sit over here and defend Amanda. Like that's an incredible invasion of privacy. You can't do that.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You can't do that no matter what they're doing, doing.

[Jackie]

So I hate when people make me defend people. But like, look, this is what I'm doing. I'm a woman who supports other women whether I like it or not.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But it's, but it's true. And I. And I. Don't you feel like if everyone was like you, then it would just be. You know what I mean? Like, yes.

[Jackie]

What a great world that would be.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What a great world that would be. If we were all normal and level headed, weren't looking to like take away all her money and brand deals and cancel on. That's why I got pissed. There was some company.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I thought that was really lame.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I saw. I and I especially because it was

[Jackie]

a campaign that had like a cause behind it. It was like all about like, you know, medicine.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Take her off. But don't write like we've replaced the model.

[Jackie]

Like, remember when Wendy's like made fun of Katy Perry for like going to space? Like I hate when brands get involved. It's like bullying but making.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, are you a Carrie? A Katy Perry?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Stan?

[Jackie]

No, I.

[Claudia Ashrae]

A defender?

[Jackie]

No, no. I think. Think people were really hard on her with like the whole thing. She's weird. Like I get like she's definitely weird.

[Claudia Ashrae]

And that.

[Jackie]

What's her name? Ruby Rose.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh yeah. That was really. What did she like, she accused Katy

[Jackie]

Perry like sexual assault and like Ruby

[Claudia Ashrae]

Rose is a little.

[Jackie]

But I was gonna say she accused Katy Perry of taking her underwear off and rubbing her vagina on Ruby Rose's face. Like that's what the.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What do you think of the Kyle of it all? Cuz you guys got a little triangle with Kyle.

[Jackie]

You were talking about Richard. I know.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Do you think what he's doing now with the face to camera lean ins of like support lover boy. By the way, everyone's supporting. My followers are sending me. I got all the Carls.

[Jackie]

I'm cracking.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I'm like, I thought you were normal.

[Jackie]

So yeah, I obviously hate Kyle Cook. He is my personal nemesis. But one of my favorite Taylor Swift lyrics.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Then he called my husband a liar

[Jackie]

on national television and he lied like about this. Right? Like my. You, anyone who's met my husband, he's a lot of things. He's not a liar. He's like such a good guy and I will hate him forever because of that. He's never apologized. And he, like, loves to tell people that. That we know mutually being, like, I love Dragon glitter. They're so great. Well, we hate you. Like, we literally hate you. You owe me an apology. And I have said if you apologize to Ben, we're good. We are good. So I. Everything I say about Kyle, like, has that lens. I'm going to acknowledge my own bias here. Yeah. I think the content about, like, come with me to save my business is losery. I think he made such poor financial decisions, like, taking out personal loans. Like, you're married. You're wanting to start a family, and you're doing things like that. Like, please, you're not a serious person.

[Claudia Ashrae]

It's also weird, kind of to, like, try to get your company to succeed by talking about it. Makes me kind of not want to drink it.

[Jackie]

Of course I'm not going to place an order. It sounds like you can't even fulfill it. Like, no, I certainly am not shopping, lover boy. But you can shop. Spritz society.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Did you see the video of Addison Rae and Madonna?

[Jackie]

Of course.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Whoa.

[Jackie]

Madonna hates Addison Rae. Okay, so I feel like we're on the same page. Like, when Addison was launching her music career.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You say you're obsessed with, like, the best song ever made.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Babe, the bet. Noah was born at that time. It was his song because I listened

[Amanda Hirsch]

to it so much.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, they send me Obsessed merch because I was so obsessed with the song ever. And I saw her in the trajectory.

[Jackie]

Yes, of course.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Brittany.

[Jackie]

Pop star Sabrina Carpenter. Like, and then she took a break because I think people didn't respond to the music as she had hoped. And she went very, like, Charlie xcx. Like, club Rat. I have no. I do not understand her music at all. It's not for me. I don't understand the outfits. Like, I don't understand the sound. I literally don't get it, so. But people love it. Like, I feel like the gay community really responds to it. I don't get it at all. I can acknowledge the fact that it's not for me. It's just not what I had hoped for. My girl, you know, like, my queen.

[Claudia Ashrae]

But then, like, if it was only me and you loving Obsessed, you know, it's a problem.

[Jackie]

And, like, you and I love a song. That means it's probably not the best. Like, I can acknowledge that. Even though Obsessed will go down as one of the greatest pop hits.

[Claudia Ashrae]

By the way, the music video. I thought it was all so good. I'm so like, Addison, you should have stayed on that trajectory.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia Ashrae]

She got a movie role at that time.

[Jackie]

She's all that, right on Netflix. She released another song that, like, nobody ever cared about this. Sex Die For, Baby, I Want Something to Die For. And it was literally like an old Lady Gaga song that Gaga never released. And so Addison recorded, like, this new

[Claudia Ashrae]

music and the outfits and the nakedness, very avant garde.

[Jackie]

Like, I don't get it.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Very grungy.

[Jackie]

Very grungy, Very underground. I think I hate it.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Maybe she's trying to just take a, like, a full left from, like, what she was like.

[Jackie]

Tick Tock.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, from the Tik Tok. And it's like, don't.

[Jackie]

It's fine.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Don't. Like, what did. Was fine. I'm not as much as you.

[Jackie]

I love Tik Tok.

[Claudia Ashrae]

You love. That's, like, your new spot.

[Jackie]

No, no, no, no. Like, I'll always be, like, an Instagram girl, babe.

[Claudia Ashrae]

We didn't decide on what we're doing about our handles. Wait, so what is. What is Jackie's opinion about me?

[Jackie]

Me? I think she. I haven't asked her, but, like, I

[Claudia Ashrae]

think she just wants to know.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she wants to know how you feel about it, but also, I think that if you were to change it, she would recommend that you have to change everything, because not giving off that only makes sense as a podcast name. Because it's your name, right? It's not your name anymore. What's a podcast? It's not like you're doing, like, a podcast about dieting.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like, you have to change both or none. Are you gonna change yours?

[Jackie]

I'm not.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Ever.

[Jackie]

I have no plans to. I love being girl with no job. Especially like. Like, you know, I try to cover all my demographics, and that's why I'm on Tick Tock. You know, the young kids, whenever I meet, like, a somebody on the street and they're like, I love your Tick Tock. I feel, like, seriously, like, insane. But then, you know, I'll, like, be a shul and I'll meet, like, older women, and they're like, the girl with no job. I feel like I get to cover all of my bases, and if I lose the girl with no job, like, the Facebook moms, they'll forget about me, you know?

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like an older demo.

[Claudia Ashrae]

So, no for you?

[Jackie]

No, for me. I feel like our usernames, and I'm going to speak for both of us, have a lot of cultural cachet, and I wouldn't throw that away, honestly.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Wait, one more thing I had to ask you about was the the beef with the new Roni girl.

[Jackie]

Could you die?

[Claudia Ashrae]

No. That cracked me up.

[Jackie]

That was one of the craziest things that ever happened to me.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Did you reach out after?

[Jackie]

No, I was just reading Jama, and they were reading the list of the names, and I know. I know Erica. I've known her for years, and I was very excited. So I was like, reading you know who else, and they said the name Haley Classman, and I could not put my finger. I'm like, did I go to. She sounds like a Jewish girl, like Haley Glassman, but did I go to camp with her? I was like, why do I know that name? Went to her Instagram, and I'm like, oh, yeah. It started to feel familiar because her Instagram is not something you forget. She's, like, really kind of kooky. And I was like, there's no way. There is no way. And I go to our message history, and lo and behold, for years I'm scrolling through. She's responded to so many of my stories. She's like a troll. She's obsessed with my weight. A lot of the things she was messaging me about were like, you're fat. You're like, she's obsessed with weight. She's, like, always recommending I, like, get plastic surgery at her dad's practice. Just, like, true troll behavior. So much so that I had recognized her username because she's, like, an active years. Well, you know the name of your trolls.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I couldn't believe. Of course, I was instantly excited because, like, I get to make something about myself and I was obsessed. I was asked to film and I'm. No.

[Claudia Ashrae]

What?

[Jackie]

Yeah, they're like, dinner. No, no, no, no, wait.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like a. Like a confrontation, I think.

[Jackie]

You know how, like, when a new housewife comes in and then somebody, like, digs something up on them and they bring, like. You know how, like, they brought Shep's ex girlfriend or whatever? Think I was still see one of those. I have no interest.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Literally zero.

[Jackie]

I just wanted to, like, make my little tick tock, get a couple of followers. I'm good. But that was just so crazy, you know, I always think the world revolves around me, but, like, it doesn't. But in a situation like that, I was like, maybe it does.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Maybe it does everything. Like, everything has to do with me.

[Jackie]

I. I think she maybe blocked me.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh, she blocked you?

[Jackie]

I think so, yeah. Because I was like, I want to block her. No, I don't. I don't block.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Oh, you don't block anyone.

[Jackie]

No. Know, maybe a couple people but like I'm I'm not a big blocker.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Like if you see happen to scroll through a DM that's mean you'll leave them.

[Jackie]

I will.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Yeah, you'll leave the person to see your life.

[Jackie]

Engagement is engagement. I need the I need that engagement rate to get up so I can get paid more.

[Claudia Ashrae]

I love you. Thank you for coming.

[Jackie]

My pleasure.

[Claudia Ashrae]

Thank you for having me listen to toast every day.

[Jackie]

Yes listen to Monday through Friday anywhere

[Claudia Ashrae]

you get your podcast do your quick thing. Thank you.

[Jackie]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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[Claudia Ashrae]

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