Salley Carson: Creature of Chaos

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat

Episode: "Salley Carson: Creature of Chaos"

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Salley Carson (Southern Charm)
Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features a candid and juicy conversation between host Amanda Hirsch and reality TV whirlwind Salley Carson, star of Bravo’s Southern Charm. The pair delve deep into the show's latest drama, off-screen realness in the Bravo universe, Salley's complicated love life, her journey through reality TV, and the unique struggles of balancing reality fame with a demanding career outside television. The conversation is lively, vulnerable, and packed with behind-the-scenes confessions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Real-Time Bravo Drama – Cast Fallout & Group Tensions

(06:51–11:36)

• The episode begins mid-chaos, with Salley visibly shaken after receiving upsetting text messages from her co-star Whitner just before arriving at the recording.
  • Salley feels blindsided by Whitner's anger over a comment she made on Watch What Happens Live, speculating he is “an entitled prick” and comparing him to J.T.
    • "I think he's an entitled prick. He reminds me of J.T. a lot. I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way." — Salley (07:21)
  • The behind-the-scenes dynamic becomes clear: cast members react sensitively to small comments made publicly; off-camera relationships are volatile.
  • Salley shares her confusion and frustration, reporting that she had thought post-reunion tensions with Whitner were resolved.
  • Discussions with castmates (Vanita, Rodrigo, Madison) confirm that Salley isn’t alone, but she wonders why she wasn’t warned.
    • "I just think that he's messing with the wrong girl, and the only person that should be looking out is him." — Salley (09:09)

2. Friendship, Betrayal, and “Best Friend” Boundaries

(11:36–16:09)

• Amanda and Salley discuss the Charlie–Craig–Salley triangle and how Salley was kept in the dark about Charlie and Craig's developing relationship.
  • Salley is candid that, while she felt a little “rattled” about being excluded from the loop by Charlie (who she called her best friend), the depth of her crush on Craig was exaggerated on the show.
    • “My liking to him was not that deep at all.” — Salley (15:06)
  • She feels the betrayal is more about lack of honesty than romance, and clarifies she would always put a friend above a man.

3. The “Creature of Chaos” Persona & Group Hypocrisy

(17:22–18:39)

• Salley embraces the nickname "Creature of Chaos" bestowed upon her, recognizing her penchant for messiness, but pointing out the group’s hypocrisy.
  • "They are [chaotic], but I'm like, little hypocrites, right? And then they get on me about, like, going out and partying so much." — Salley (17:36)
• Amanda points out male cast members, particularly Shep, are often greater instigators of drama but escape the same scrutiny.

4. Past Relationships: Broken Engagement and Reality TV Fallout

(28:47–35:08)

• The conversation turns deeply personal as Salley recounts her broken engagement—canceled 28 days before the wedding due to her fiancé’s cheating, dramatically discovered via DM.
  • "I was at my sister's house and I kind of just broke down. I was like throwing up, crying in her front yard." — Salley (29:16)
  • The aftermath was joining The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise—both of which she exited abruptly due to heartbreak and feeling bullied.
  • On accusations she’s a “fame chaser,” Salley says reality TV opportunities seemed to “land in her lap,” and participation was often reactive, not calculated.

5. Professional Life: Surgical Robotics and Keeping Grounded

(37:17–41:33)

• Salley explains her “real job”—guiding a robot during spine surgeries—how she transitioned from fashion/retail management to medical technology, and her continued dedication to this career.
  • She clarifies rumors about her income (combining TV and influencing), and emphasizes she would quit television “in a heartbeat” to keep her hospital job.
    • “If it came down between reality TV and that job, I would quit reality in a second.” — Salley (39:04)
  • Reality TV fame brings career stress, particularly from viewers contacting her employer with complaints or gossip, but the fulfillment she gets from her hospital work outweighs it.

6. Judgement, Friendship Support, and Misconceptions

(41:49–43:29)

• Salley shares that she’s judged harshly in Charleston, primarily by women; she relies on her non-TV, college friends as a strong support system.
• She feels viewers don’t always see her loyalty and integrity as a friend on-screen. If a friend expressed interest in a man, Salley says she’d “absolutely” step aside.

7. Present Love Life: Austin, Hookups, and Guarded Optimism

(49:36–54:13)

• Amanda probes Salley about her much-commented flirtation with Austin. Salley admits they're close, talk daily, and have been “messing around,” but both value the friendship and are taking things slow.
  • “I'm still feeling him.” — Salley (50:12)
  • She is “not a clinger” and confirms they’re both seeing other people casually.
  • The pair’s relationship grew out of a “common enemy” dynamic targeting Craig.
  • Salley’s previous romantic experiences (including more cheating boyfriends) make her cautious now.

8. Craig & Austin’s “Frenemy” Dynamic

(57:45–59:38)

• The boys’ complicated bromance is dissected: Amanda wonders if they’re jealous, in competition, or just trigger each other.
  • Both host and guest agree the relationship is fraught, competitive, and not about romance or simple jealousy.

9. Chickens, Tattoos, and Doing Things for the Wrong Reasons

(59:38–61:29)

• Amanda and Salley reflect on impulsive choices—like getting chickens for Craig or tattoos for an ex.
  • “Did I do that for a man? The chickens or the tattoos? Both. Like, I need some serious therapy over here.” — Salley (61:22)

10. Social Media, Mental Health, and Coping With Hate

(62:07–64:42)

• Salley reveals plans for a “cleanse” (no phone, no alcohol, etc.) before filming next season, because social media has become a constant in her life.
  • She claims public criticism doesn’t usually bother her, except accusations about her capabilities as a wife or mother, which sting.
  • Memorable clapback: “I'll [expletive] your dad and make him eat my chickens.” — Salley, replying to a troll, egged on by Austin (63:41)

11. Views on Motherhood and Independence

(64:36–65:48)

• Salley is clear she wants a family, is considering freezing her eggs, and is open to being a single mother if necessary.
  • “If for some reason I were to get pregnant or something, I could 100% do it.” — Salley (65:32)

12. Teasers for Next Season

(65:59–67:08)

• Next season promises more of Salley and Austin, double dates with Madison & Brett, and Amanda predicts high entertainment ahead.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Whitner’s Drama:

  • “He’s messing with the wrong girl, and the only person that should be looking out is him.” — Salley (09:09)

• On “Creature of Chaos:”

  • “Yeah, I kind of like it. I mean, it really, really describes me well. I’m very chaotic.” — Salley (17:29)

• On Broken Engagement:

  • “I was at my sister’s house and I kind of just broke down. I was like throwing up, crying in her front yard.” — Salley (29:16)

• On Real Job vs. Reality TV:

  • “If it came down between reality TV and that job, I would quit reality in a second.” — Salley (39:04)

• On Clapping Back at Trolls:

  • “I’ll [expletive] your dad and make him eat my chickens.” — Salley (63:41)

• On Wanting Motherhood:

  • “There’s, like, one thing that would make me super upset in life...that’s not having kids. I want my own kids so bad.” — Salley (64:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Salley confronts live Bravo drama: 06:51–11:04
• Charlie–Craig secret courting fallout: 11:36–16:09
• Betrayal & group dynamics: 17:22–18:39
• Broken engagement & Bachelor backstory: 28:47–35:08
• Medical robotics career: 37:17–41:33
• Slander, social circles, and prime support: 41:49–43:29
• Salley and Austin’s “situation”: 49:36–54:13
• Craig & Austin’s fraught friendship: 57:45–59:38
• Impulsive choices—chickens, tattoos: 59:38–61:29
• Social media, hate, and self-defense: 62:07–64:42
• Motherhood, freezing eggs, independence: 64:36–65:48
• Next season teasers: 65:59–67:08

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Tone & Language

The episode is irreverent, authentic, and filled with both laughter and real vulnerability. Salley’s candor about her mistakes, heartbreaks, and ambitions matches Amanda’s inviting, comedic style, making the conversation feel like eavesdropping on best friends swapping gossip and advice.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This episode encapsulates everything fans love about Bravo and candid podcasting: real time, unfiltered drama; honest admissions about reality TV’s costs; messiness and growth; and a dose of Southern Charm’s unique chaos. Salley comes clean about friendship betrayals, past heartbreak, finding her power, and why her “real life” matters more than any storyline. If you want the tea behind the season—and some life lessons about resilience—this episode delivers.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Hi. I think I wanted to say hey. And hi. And hey. Hey. Hi, guys. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. This is your host, Amanda. In case you didn't know, in case you didn't know, I just made eggs. And you guys, I know you, like, love to call me out for the egg thing, but, like, I have the most love and hate relationship with them. Like, there are weeks when I'm like, I found my new egg recipe that will make me really happy and yummy. Like, I've been grating parmes last few weeks, which, like, has a lot of protein. Anyway. I've been loving it. I've been putting some chili oil, like, putting on a little rice cake, some ker ter, and, like, loving it. And then I got the ick today. Got the ick today. You know, maybe I got the ick. I did forget the parmesan today, but I also added spinach leaves. I know, like, sauteed. Like, not me. Like, having in my mind that I need fiber and be like, Anton fiber. Like, this is the problem with, you know, trying to be healthy and, like, eat things with nutritional value and eat all the food groups and whatever. It's like, I can't just have the eggs. That's, like, fat and protein. But where's my fiber? Like, that's in my mind, which is a good thing. And by the way, I do get asked a lot about, like, what my health and wellness journey was. And let's be honest, let's put it in terms that we. You're not allowed to say weight loss, right? It's not like health and wellness. Like, I wanted to lose the weight after I gained weight pregnant, and it was mostly changing the food. I know that I posted, I work out, and I do not that much. Like, it's like, once or twice a week. Plus I try to, like, walk and whatever else. But really the working out is, like, to get tone and get fit. And I do feel that, like, I feel like, for example, I've always had, like, thick thighs and, like, a butt, but I do feel like working out made it so it's, like, more toned and not just, like, flab. And it's like, getting stronger and all those things, and you do here, everywhere. It's really good for your body to, like, lift weights and whatever. And I'm down with it. I've never. I think the reason I've never liked working out before is, like, I don't like cardio. Like, I don't like to breathe, like, pant and sweat. But, like, I don't mind strength training. Like, I really don't. It's actually really nice. So just to people's question about losing weight postpartum, you know, give yourself grace. I know I barely gave myself grace. Looking back, I'm like, damn. Like, I was really hard on myself, but at the same time, like, I'm there with you. Like, I understand. It's so annoying to gain so much weight when you're pregnant. Have to then deal with it, even though in your mind you're like, I'll give birth and I'll. No, it's like, you're gonna have to deal with the weight. And for me, you know, I gave birth in June and in April, I was like, what the. The only weight that I've lost is like, whatever comes out at the beginning when the baby comes out, basically. And I had so much to lose. And I started working with a nutritionist, the SWW method and Sarah Ragg. And she really. I. I won't forgot when she was like, what are you? Was like in the morning? Yogurt. She's like, great. What's in it? And I'm like, chocolate chips, nuts, granola cereal, like, strawberries. And it was like coconut yogurt. She's like, okay, so no protein, lots of sugar. Keep going. And really, it's so strange. But only then did I realize, like, that you have to build out your meals to have all these things. Like, you can't just have just a bowl of sugar and fat and have no protein, no fiber. So these are things that I think about now. I think that's what made the truest difference for me, you know, is really just super low carb protein, fiber. Fuck. You know, it's just really being on that shit. And the minute that you are not on that shit, then, you know, shit gets fudged. And there are days that I'm better, days that I'm worse. Like when I started with her. But when I decided to sign up with the nutritionist, I knew I was going to take it super seriously. I literally traveled with a blender so I could make protein smoothies. Okay. I was like, insane. Obviously, I've, like, calmed Down I allow myself more, more but it's just. It's not easy. And I feel all the mamas out there. Arielle, my sister, is pregnant. She's doing, like a month. It really flew by for me. And I feel her. I'm like, she could complain to me all day about the weight gain because I know it, I feel it, I get it. It's part of the reason. You know, I don't know about a third baby. It makes me, like, nervous to have to deal with all that again. But I do feel like if I would, then I would go into it, like, more prepared, knowing more. I'm already working out, I could continue working out. And it's funny, I told my trainer, I was like, if I get pregnant again, like, if I decide to have another baby, like, I am not. I am not gaining weight. Like, I am not gaining weight. And he, like, made fun of me. He was like, yeah, you're like, I'm gonna lose weight. I'm like, yeah. Anyway, I'm not gonna. Don't worry. I'm not an idiot. Anyway, in a sharp turn, we could talk about this all day. That's what I should be talking about in this podcast. Fuck. It's called Not Skinny but Not Bad. It would make sense. We're talking about weight and stuff like that. But anyway, much more interesting and much more importantly, I just love when real stars come on my pod because I get to talk to them about whatever I want. No trepidation, no. Like, oh, that's maybe not sensitive. Like, we get into it all. They're open books, they put their life on tv. They're messy, they're fun, and I can never get enough. Sally Carson is here from Southern Charm. I love Southern Charm. I feel like it gives. It just gives. There's so much. There's so much drama. There's always hooking up. There's always changes. And Sally was a freaking hit this season. Our tornado, a hurricane, chaotic. All the things that everyone's calling her. And she took a lot of. From a lot of people. She got a lot of. From a lot of people. But she also. Yeah, she. She caused some. She caused some chaos. She's here, she talks about it all. She actually even came in. And again, this is why reality stars are different. Different breed is. She came in super upset because something had happened with a cast member was texting her. It was like a whole thing. We get into it a little bit. Obviously that's going to play out, I'm assuming next season because this drama is happening. Right now in real time. And that's just the life of Bravo, which I love. It's like, it's very real. The drama is very real. It's happening all the time and around the clock. But we talk about it all this season. Austin, Craig, everything in between. So enjoy this one. Here's Sally. You're shaken up. What's going on?

[B]

Shaking up.

[A]

I'm like, what can you do? What can you share about why you're sat right now? Why would Whitner have it out for you? I saw some. Watch what happens live shade a little bit.

[B]

That's why, I think. And it wasn't even that big of a deal, but since I said that, I think.

[A]

What did you say exactly?

[B]

I said that you don't know him yet.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Because everyone was like, why is all the girls not going after Whitner?

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

And I was like, I don't think I've gotten a chance to know him yet.

[A]

Because you feel like you know something that we don't.

[B]

I think he's an entitled prick.

[A]

Oh, yeah?

[B]

Yeah. I think he reminds me of J.T. a lot. Yeah. And I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way.

[A]

So you said. You didn't say all of this. You just said, no, I'm saying it.

[B]

Now because I'm not holding back now after I saw the text message he's sending about me.

[A]

So he has it out for you.

[B]

He has it out for me because.

[A]

Of that one comment?

[B]

I guess so. Because everything's been so positive online. So that one negative thing that I said, people are, like, questioning, like, what could be going on with Whitner, you know? And he was like, really on his high horse. Like, ooh, I'm getting all this attention. Everyone loves me. There's no negative press about me. And then the one time I said that, he was like, but I just talked to Rodrigo. I just talked to Vanita on the phone. Like, I tried Charlie. She was in a meeting, but.

[A]

So now you were trying to see if this is true.

[B]

Yeah. And vanita said, It's 100% true. Vanita was like, he called me.

[A]

Why? So why didn't anybody tell you?

[B]

I don't know. That's why I'm like, I'm in the dark. I'm like, okay, this is weird.

[A]

So he called her, but she was not going to be.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, she was like, I'm not bothered by this. Like, I don't want to be in the middle of this, basically. So that's why she didn't call me? Because she was just like, it's nothing. I have. I have real shit going on, you know?

[A]

Okay, this is a fudgeing turn. I didn't think.

[B]

I didn't either. I got the text on the way, literally in the car on the way.

[A]

Here, and you're shaken by, like, that's why we're talking about it right now, as. As we're starting, because you walked in, like, obviously, like, shaken by. You've gotten extremely.

[B]

Because I'm just. I. I'm confused. We kind of made up at the. At the reunion a little bit. Like, afterwards, I was like, look, like, I don't know why we're beefing. We don't really have anything against each other. So then to hear this now, I'm kind of just. I thought we were good.

[A]

So what's your plan of action? Which you not have one yet.

[B]

I just think that he. He's messing with the wrong girl, and the only person that should be looking out is him.

[A]

Okay. This was the question I was gonna ask later on, but, like, okay, Charlie didn't answer, but Rodrigo and. And Vanita did. Who's your friend in this group who would fucking call you, you know, and now wait for you to call them and tell you this? Like, do you feel like you have support in that?

[B]

I do. Yeah. And I think, you know, obviously, I want to call Madison, but I don't want. She's on a trip right now, and I don't want to bother her. She's like, oh, right.

[A]

She's, like, skiing. I saw. Yeah.

[B]

And when she gets home, I'll tell her. But Madison and Austin are my like. And Rodrigo are like, my.

[A]

So did Rodrigo not know about this?

[B]

He didn't really. He said that he, like. Molly said something about it a little bit, but it didn't really, like, raise flags in his head to tell me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't know. I mean, like, I hope Charlie doesn't know about it yet, because that would be really sad if she did and, like, didn't tell me because we talk every day.

[A]

It wouldn't be.

[B]

Austin had no idea, because I think he's coming after Austin, too.

[A]

That is a bad move. Whitner, what are you doing?

[B]

Yeah, what are you.

[A]

Are you trying to have a. Are you trying to ruin this? Which is a wrong move, buddy.

[B]

That is a wrong move, especially with Madison in my corner. I'm like, you're not.

[A]

She'll eat you alive.

[B]

Yeah. Like, don't mess with me.

[A]

Okay. Let's Rewind. Let's do like they do on Southern Charm, where it's like, one week earlier. One week earlier. Sally's here.

[B]

Hi. I literally came in here like.

[A]

No.

[B]

Like a bull and a tiny doll.

[A]

This is what I love about Bravo. Sorry. I know this is a real moment for you, but I want people to know that it's real. Because, you know, I. And I have been saying this for years. Is like, with Bravo shows, like, yes, we learn. Sometimes we see the cameras, and, like, you're like, oh, but was it. And then they plan. But you also, when you get to know the. The. The. The people, the drama is so real.

[B]

The drama is so real.

[A]

And, you know, if it was Vanderpump, and you would talk to these people a year later, and they would still be seething over the drama, you know, it's, like, very real. And so that's why seeing you come in the way that you did and. And experiencing this, which will. Will maybe see next season play out or whatever it is, and you're like, this is all your lives, and it's all happening.

[B]

It's too much. I mean, Benita literally goes, can we get a break? I'm like, no, they don't want us to have a break. I mean, we're always dealing with.

[A]

You guys are filming a lot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. You watching this season back is like, I feel for you a little bit, because, again, going back to the, like, where are your friends? Vibes, I know Charlie's dating Craig. While you like him, you're watching this. Like, how much did you know or how much did you find out?

[B]

Like, I didn't know any of that was going on. I didn't know anything.

[A]

Between Charlie and me, the painting, the gallery visits, the date, I knew a.

[B]

Little bit about that. But, I mean, we were all in a group chat, and we would text, and, like, we'd go to all go to dinner together. Like, and then it. It kind of felt weird because they were texting the entire time outside of the group chat and, like, facetiming and stuff. And I just had no idea. And I probably would have gone about it a different way had I known that they were getting so close, you know, But I just was left in the dark.

[A]

So you found out, like, when the. When the show aired?

[B]

At the end.

[A]

At the end.

[B]

Yeah. I find out a lot more at the finale. Yeah.

[A]

So them keeping this from you, I mean, not them. Because, Craig, you probably feel like you don't owe me anything. But with Charlie, because you had called her, I Think you use the word, the term, best friend. Like, you felt really close.

[B]

And I do think I use that term loosely.

[A]

You're.

[B]

Yeah, but no, I adore Sheena vibes. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, I can't. I mean, I couldn't wrap my head around it because she always was so honest with me about everything going on in her life. And, like, I do get it. She probably felt awkward, especially, like, because it's Craig and she doesn't really owe me anything to tell me, like, everything that's going on, but it just was different for our friendship. So I just felt a little rattled.

[A]

And, like, betrayed, because the way that it is, the way that the episodes were coming out, it was like you were feeling Craig, you were getting the chickens. You told him this at the supermarket or whatever. Meanwhile, he's courting her. Yeah, like, that's what it looked like.

[B]

And I had no idea.

[A]

And you had no idea.

[B]

I mean, because before Charlie came into the group, like, I brought her in on the. On my singles party.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And that's when she met everyone for the first time. Prior to that, for, like, a couple weeks, like, I. I was hanging out at Craig's. Not just with Craig. We were never like.

[A]

So you hooked them up? Basically.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You brought them together?

[B]

I knew. I kind of knew it was gonna happen. Like, there was a phone call. They didn't air between me and Austin before my singles party, and I was like, I think Craig and Charlie are gonna hit it off just because they seem like each other's vibes, you know? Yeah. So it wasn't. I mean, like, I expected it, but I didn't really expect her to be so secretive about it.

[A]

How much did you actually like him?

[B]

Oh, my God. We didn't even kiss.

[A]

You didn't even kiss?

[B]

No.

[A]

So all the fucking hot tub visits and you didn't hook up?

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

Did you make a move?

[B]

No. He didn't either. And he didn't own Charlie either. Like, it was just very, like, Craig is not that sexual. No.

[A]

Well, I was. I was. I actually. I watched the screener, so I couldn't post about it, but I, like, saved a draft of what I was thinking was, like, him and Charlie on the boat, and. And they were like, it's so nice. And he's like, it's so nice to be alone with you. And all I was thinking is, like. And they were like, the Notebook. I'm, like, fudgeing. Kiss her. Like, like, if you're not going to make out soon, then you're Going to be friends?

[B]

Yeah. You know, we talk about it at the reunion.

[A]

Oh, you do?

[B]

Yeah. So, yeah, it's good. But, yeah, it's very weird. Craig definitely gave, like, friendship vibes the whole way through with both of us, I think. So my liking to him was not that deep at all.

[A]

It was.

[B]

Made it look like I'm so obsessed with him, but that.

[A]

Well, the friendship with Vanita was kind of ruined over it. And you kind of. You were standing your ground. She was standing her ground. She was for sure. And. But you were standing here, you're like, no, I like him. I want to keep hanging out. Why was that so important to you then if. Well, you're making a point that she can't, like, tell you what to do.

[B]

Yeah. And also, like, I. Everyone was saying there was this narrative going on behind my back that I didn't know that, like, Craig's gonna break her heart. This. And I'm like, guys, I'm not, like, falling in love with Craig. Yeah, I'm fine. Like, did you just wanna.

[A]

Were you just DTF with Craig?

[B]

I mean, if he would have tried, I probably would have. But, like, that didn't happen.

[A]

You didn't see, like, marriage and babies with Craig?

[B]

No.

[A]

You wanted to hang.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, especially I didn't know him that well. And so I. I just, like, was like, this guy's hot, you know? And then the more I got to know him, you know, there was arguments, there was drama, there was fighting. I was like.

[A]

So you were okay with that not happening?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when you did find out about Charlie and him, like, did it. Did it hurt it?

[B]

Not the her and Craig thing. Because, like, me and Craig were never gonna work out. So, like, if they were supposed to be together, I. I always want happiness for my friend. So I would have, like, loved the relationship between the two of them. But the thing that hurt me was her not being honest about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that's just not how we ever have done our friendship.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that just kind of, like, was.

[A]

And on the show, the friends were kind of saying that you were trying to sabotage Charlie and Craig at some point, and because you were telling her that he said that he thinks he's gonna hurt her or something.

[B]

Yeah. He's gonna fall in love with her. That she's gonna hear that straight from chef's mouth.

[A]

I mean, he was like, can you always gossip?

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

More than girls.

[B]

And he's like, can you believe the ego on this guy? He said that Charlie's gonna fall in love with him, and he's gonna break her heart. And I was looking at him like, well, what if she does that to him?

[A]

Like, why does he assume that?

[B]

Yeah, he said it to multiple people. Like, I think Austin and Whitner both confirmed it on watch what happens the other week. Like, Shep 100% said that.

[A]

And then.

[B]

So then I look like the bad guy, but I'm not gonna not tell my good friend.

[A]

Yeah. You know, what were they calling you this season? Creature of chaos.

[B]

Yeah, it's a great word for me.

[A]

Do you like it?

[B]

Yeah, I kind of like it. I mean, it's really. Really describes me well. I'm very chaotic.

[A]

But, like, they're chaotic too.

[B]

They are, but I'm like, little hypocrites, right? And then they get on me about, like, going out and partying so much.

[A]

And Craig talking about you at Whitner's farm, like, ranch, whatever. Them just, like, being like, she's a Gossip Girl queen, you know, and she's. I'm like, these two. These two gossip queens. Yeah. You know, Shup's the biggest.

[B]

Like, Shep told everyone about the rumor about Austin before telling Austin pretty much everyone, like, on the cast, right. I'm like. Like, he calls me. He's like, hey, this was said. But, like, do you think we should bring it up? I'm like, you're totally just trying to get someone to bring it up on camera, like, and you don't want to be the one to do it.

[A]

No. It's wild.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And do you know what else I found out in this episode is the Molly situation with you. Because even though we were Showed it the clip a thousand times at the Vagina and the whatever, we kind of see that. Like, you never really said anything.

[B]

I didn't know.

[A]

You didn't even pass on the rumor.

[B]

I said a little remark to Rodrigo.

[A]

Rodrigo.

[B]

But that was it. But, I mean, Rodrigo's, like, my best friend. I tell him everything. Yeah. I don't know. That is one thing. Like, watching back, I was shocked by.

[A]

Because when you and Molly were fighting at the previous party, it was, like, bad. It was ugly. It looked like, you know, there was no coming out.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Of that. But then later, when you were talking about. You were like, I didn't even. Anita came to my house, told me about it, and then you. You guys were kind of talking about, maybe she's trying to pit you against each other.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it did feel like that. And, you know, even watching it back, I still was watching Molly's green screens. Like, damn.

[A]

She's angry like.

[B]

Like, at me still. And I'm like, I thought that we were. You know, I'm texting all these girls. I'm texting Vanita during filming. I'm texting Molly during filming, and Charlie and, like, everyone. I'm thinking, I'm solid with these girls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, even when the Craig thing was going on, you know, Benita gave me the curfew and.

[A]

Okay, no, no, no. We're talking about this curfew. What do you mean she gave you a curfew?

[B]

She said you can't hang out with him past midnight.

[A]

And why would you say. Okay?

[B]

I. I was trying to. I don't know. I was just trying to please my friend, and I didn't know how to handle the situation. So I'm like, okay, if she wants to give me a curfew. And then, you know, people think this.

[A]

Is very weird, though.

[B]

No, it is really weird.

[A]

So she has your location.

[B]

She has a location.

[A]

Okay. And she said, while we're watching you guys, not be that friendly at the time because she's mad at you that you're. You're continuing with this Craig friendship. She's like, okay, okay, okay. At least leave by midnight. Yeah, Cinderella.

[B]

And then when I'm, like, at his house at, like, past midnight, she's like, texting me, like, are you okay? Do you need a new home? Like, she cares about me, and I know that, but this was, like, a little bit too intense.

[A]

Where do you think that comes from?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I think I've spoken to her. She's been on my podcast, and she said she was worried about her friend. That's her bottom line. She was worried about you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She was worried you would get hurt.

[B]

I think she was worried about me, and I think that she was more worried about me in a sense. Like, again, that narrative that I was, like, gonna get hurt by Craig, I was like, I can handle my own. But I think they also were just, like, worried about Craig being Craig, like, his anger issues and, like, yelling at me. And I'm like, again, I can hold my own. Like, I'm fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If I see that side of him, I'm. I'm gonna walk away.

[A]

Yeah. So how do you feel? Because you were saying, like, you thought you were fine with Molly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then.

[B]

I don't. I don't know. So I. I.

[A]

Why her and Wit are like, oh, yeah.

[B]

And so apparently some of this came from Molly. So I'm like, how are you feeling.

[A]

Like, do you feel betrayed?

[B]

I feel betrayed. I also have anxiety. I'm like, I'm scared for next season now because I'm like, are these all. Are all of them just gonna come for me?

[A]

Is there anything you feel like, you know, because at the end of the day, you can only be, you know, yourself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is there anything you feel like you did that. That. That could backfire on you or.

[B]

No, I don't come. Yeah. What are you waiting for? Y' all can all come for me. It'll just give me a better, I mean, give me more airtime. So come on, bring it.

[A]

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That's ritual.com/not skinny for 25% off your first month. And we're back. And this season too. I mean it wasn't easy for you. We I do love your energy of I was Cracking up at your tiktoks. Like you're leaning in. You.

[B]

You look. I know. I'm. I'm toxic and messy right now. Like, it's not. That's not news to me. Like, I. I'm.

[A]

Why do you say toxic though? You feel, you. I mean, this is a strong word though.

[B]

I'm saying in like relationships or situationships that I've had, like, I'm not, you know, I'm trying to get back to the person I was before my broken engagement. And that's been hard for me.

[A]

What. How. How long ago was that?

[B]

Like five years ago.

[A]

Five years, four years ago. And that's. And then tell. Can you. Can you expand a little bit? About what. What happened with this relationship?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, we were. We had our whole wedding planned and 28 days before my wedding, I got a text or a DM that said, hey, girl, like, I'm really sorry I've been hanging out with your fiance. Didn't know that he had a fiance because his Instagram was like all Bronco stuff. It was weird. He was a weird guy. But yeah. And then I remember I was at my sister's house and I kind of just broke down. I was like throwing up, crying in her front yard. And I was like, I gotta end this engagement. And I did it when he was at work. I called my wedding plan and I was like, you need to cancel this.

[A]

Did she have proof? This the girl that damned you?

[B]

She. Well, he admitted to it because.

[A]

Oh, you converted.

[B]

She told me the restaurant because I was like, I need to know I'm getting married and a mind fucking crazy. And she was like, well, he was wearing a white V neck jeans and flip flops. And I was like, yep, that's my guy. The flip flop and jeans.

[A]

You should have known.

[B]

No, I knew immediately when she said flip flops with jeans.

[A]

I was like, wait, this is literally a movie.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You need. You're like, no further proof needed. No, literally, Austin, you know, like, same vibe.

[B]

Yeah, he'd be wearing shorts, but.

[A]

So how long were you with this guy before getting engaged?

[B]

Eight months maybe.

[A]

Oh, okay. So it wasn't a super long relationship.

[B]

Knew each other before. Like, but yeah, I mean, he. And then he like came in. We were at a wedding in Greenville, and he came into the hotel room and he had just been at a business dinner. And I was like, did you do this? And he was like, no, no, I've never met her in my life. I was like, oh, so you didn't walk into this Restaurant in your white V neck, your jeans, and your flip flops. And then he just looked at me and he goes, yep, I sure did. And I was like, yeah, I thought so. And then I actually had Covid, so I couldn't fly home. I had to ride back to Virginia with him, like, the whole way with COVID And I was like, I had.

[A]

To give him Covid and, like, cough all over him.

[B]

Yeah. And then I packed my stuff and left. And then that's when the Bachelor.

[A]

Did he try to beg for his life or did he know that?

[B]

Yeah, I ended up. Well, I went on the Bachelor, and I ended up leaving.

[A]

Was it clean season?

[B]

Yes. Why did you leave?

[A]

Because it was clean.

[B]

No, he was great. Honestly. He really was.

[A]

I know. Before. I mean, the dancing.

[B]

The dancing is so cringe.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I was going to say, say it was before the dancing, but he had women. You guys don't forget. You watch those dancing videos. He had 35 women, including Gabby, that, you know, everyone knows and loves and. And pilot Rachel and you fighting. Fighting for him. So you left the season because.

[B]

I felt like I was still in love with my ex. And I was like, this is way too soon. And then I got back together with my ex.

[A]

Oh, you did?

[B]

I did. And then he cheated on me again.

[A]

How'd you find out?

[B]

The second time I went through his phone. I know I'm not proud of it, but I'm glad I did.

[A]

How long were you together the second time?

[B]

Maybe, like, a little under a year, because then I went to Bachelor on Paradise.

[A]

Wait, which Bachelor on Paradise were you on? No, like, who was there?

[B]

Justin Glaze. I went for him.

[A]

You went for Justin?

[B]

Yeah. Love Justin.

[A]

Did you get together?

[B]

We. We have history, but we. I left in four hours because it was so toxic.

[A]

Wait, you left?

[B]

Yeah, I was on the beach for literally four hours.

[A]

It was. You felt like it was too toxic?

[B]

Yeah, the girls were bullying me.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Genevieve and Shanae.

[A]

Why? Why?

[B]

I don't know. I guess they had the whole. They, like, went through my suitcase. Like, my fake suitcase. It wasn't my real suitcase. And, like, there was, like, a vibrator in there and, like, extensions and, like, all this stuff that they were. Like, the production, like, made them go through it, and I didn't know any of that was happening behind my back. And then I get there, and the first thing they talk about is my ex fiance, and I'm like, I'm not doing this. I'm like, I'm not doing this.

[A]

So you left?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you left the Bachelor and you left Bachelor in Paradise.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So are you axed from the Bachelor franchise forever because you love two shows?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

How does that work?

[B]

I'd love to go back.

[A]

Were they.

[B]

Giving back on the beach?

[A]

You're like, I swear I won't leave this time. No, I'm dead. I want to go back. She wants to go back. You want to go back?

[B]

I would love to go back to the beach.

[A]

To the beach. To Bachelor in Paradise, only they're cracking up. Bachelor in Paradise. You want to go back or. Or the Bachelor.

[B]

I think it'd be fun.

[A]

Bachelor in Paradise.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like you need to lean in. I mean, not. That's, like, a mean girl situation, but yeah, Bachelor in Paradise can be. Can be fun. But tell me, because, you know, people that have seen you come on Southern charm, you were on Southern hospitality for a little bit. There was Bachelor. Bachelor in Paradise. Was there anything else?

[B]

No, I hope not.

[A]

So people would be like, wait, this girl really wants to. To be.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's like my most. I hate when people say that.

[A]

Okay. Would you say what?

[B]

What I would say?

[A]

Why? Why can't you just be like, yeah, I want to be on tv. What's.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, now. Now I can say that because I'm very happy with Southern charm and, like, my friend group and, you know, it feels like a little family, but a toxic family. A toxic family. Yeah. And I actually enjoy doing it. But Bachelor, you know, I was really in my, like, revenge. Like, it was a week after I canceled my wedding, and they called me, and they were like, we heard your story. We want to.

[A]

Like, how did they hear it?

[B]

I don't know. I think the girl that he cheated on me with had to have sent my name in, like, because she felt bad.

[A]

You didn't send an application. They came to you.

[B]

And people think that, like, I was interviewing for the Bachelor while I was engaged. That was not the case. Yeah, it was crazy.

[A]

You think the girl that fucking told you that he was cheating on you sent you in?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was like, take her from the Bachelor.

[B]

I asked all my friends. They're like, no. Why would we do that? You were engaged a week ago. Yeah. So I went because I was like, you know what? Yeah, like, him. Like, I'm going, I'm gonna go get revenge. Basically.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Regretted it instantly when I got there.

[A]

Because it felt too soon.

[B]

It felt too soon. And then the next time I went, I was like, you know, I missed this opportunity Last time. And they asked me to go, and they. They. You know, they offered me good money. I was like, I'm going.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then I went. And then Southern hospitality. I'm at Uptown Social on King Street. It's like my first month of living in Charleston. I know nothing about anyone there. And God, I wish I could go back to those days, but I was on the rooftop, and I remember Joe Bradley had no idea who he was. And he looks at me and he goes. Because I think they had only aired for, like. And I'm not like, a big reality TV girly, but he looks at me and he's like, you're cute. And I was like, so are you. So we said, like, very authentically, like, naturally.

[A]

And he was already filming.

[B]

No, they were not filming yet. So I started talking to him. And then my friend that I was with there was like, do you know who that is? I was like, no. She's like, that's Joey Bottles. I was like, who the fuck is Joey Bottles? And then I was like, oh, he's on the show. But at that point, we were already kind of texting and hanging out, and he was like, you should come do this. And I'm like, okay. And then Southern charm Madison DM'd me. And she was like, don't kill me. And I was like, what did you do? And she was like, I signed you up for my friend of on Southern Charm. So that's how I got.

[A]

So you were friends with Madison?

[B]

Yeah, through, like, just life in Charleston. Yeah.

[A]

So where did you live before? Because you said you moved to Charleston.

[B]

And then I was in Virginia for, like, four years.

[A]

Is that where you're from? Where are you from?

[B]

I'm from Greenville.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. And then you were Virginia. And then you came and for Southern hospitality, were you working at one of Love as places at the time?

[B]

I was working as a hostess at Republic.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah, with Molly.

[A]

Wait, with Molly?

[B]

Yeah, that's how we became friends.

[A]

And you were friends then and good vibes and everything. Joe Bradley went on to have a career.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In women. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Luann.

[B]

But him. Him and Maddie Reese are, like, perfect. Yeah, they're great. Yeah. I love both you support.

[A]

So you would say to the people that are saying, she wants to be famous. She, you know, tried to get on these shows. You. You would tell them.

[B]

I would say that all of these shows landed in my lap. And, like, who the hell would not say yes? Yeah.

[A]

You know, did you have any desire, like, when you were a young Girl, like, be famous or. Or be on tv. Like, did you know? I mean, your job is crazy different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you still working? Can you can remind me what you do again?

[B]

I control a robot and spine surgery.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

Yeah, I worked hand in hand with the surgeon. Like, I'm not scrubbed in or anything, but it's more of a guidance system.

[A]

You learned this specific robot. What is it? What is it? What is the. What did you study? Like, what is it called?

[B]

Well, no, I went to college for retail management, fashion, merchandising, and then my senior year, I couldn't change my major, and I knew I wanted to be somewhere in the healthcare, and I found medical sales college online. And I, like, my parents were like, this is a scam. You're not going. And I remember I was a nanny. I, like, took the child I was babysitting to Wells Fargo. I got a $15,000 personal loan out, and I drove myself to Denver. I went to the school, and it's the best thing I've ever done. I've had the same job since.

[A]

Wait, so you went to this school for medical sales?

[B]

For medical sales. And I specialized in the spine when I was there. And it was like a eight week, like, rush course.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I just lived in Denver for eight weeks, studied, learned the spine. And then I. They put my name out there for jobs, and someone called me and I got the. They were like, are you interested in spine and robotics? And I was like, that sounds cool.

[A]

So it's not sales, though, at all.

[B]

I'm not really selling anything now.

[A]

So you're in this. In a surgery?

[B]

Yeah. I love it.

[A]

You love it?

[B]

I love it. I would. I mean, if it is daily. No. Okay, so it's whenever. Because, like, surgeons will have clinics, you know, two or three times a week, and then they operate two or three times a week. And I'm only there when they need the robot or when they want the robot.

[A]

Do you.

[B]

Where is this robot and lives at the hospital. It's big. It's big. I know. It's like me, like.

[A]

So what is your. How often do you. Do you do this?

[B]

Like, three days a week.

[A]

Three days a week?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you love it?

[B]

I love it so much.

[A]

It's a huge juxtaposition.

[B]

Oh, I would, I would. If it came down between reality TV and that job, I would quit reality in a second.

[A]

And you did. Am I mistaken that you said how much you made the first season when you were on Southern Charm?

[B]

Yeah, that was taken out of context.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, that's not like, from just that one job. I was thinking, like, the whole picture, you know, like, of what I make. They asked me, like, how much I make. Oh. But I was including everything.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

That I'm doing, like, including influencing.

[A]

Including, like, you know, got you, got you, got you.

[B]

So that was taken out of context and there was not happy people at the hospital because they were like, she makes well, you know. And I'm like, that was, you know, taken out of context.

[A]

So I know because I remember when you had some offline drama with Taylor Sheps Taylor.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, people were really sensitive about it hurting your job. Like, I remember. I remember that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was looking out for you because we had talked about something on the pod and she was like, that's not a good idea. So I know that people were looking out for your. For your job. Is that something that you think about a lot?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

With filming, like, what can.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, I also would love to show that side of my life too, because it's so important to me. But at the same time, it's like, I don't want to open that door because, like, that could easily get me, you know, it's scary. Kicked out of.

[A]

Because, you know, fans are so crazy. They can fudgeing right to your boss or something.

[B]

They do.

[A]

So fans, like, have some figure out.

[B]

Fans, like, will comment and like, try to, like, make assumptions. Like I'm, you know, doing things within the hospital. They're like, are not good or like, whatever. And I'm just like, I'm calling Bravo. And I'm like, can we get these comments taken down? This is just like, absurd. People just, like, want to ruin my life for no reason.

[A]

This is really important to you. We're saying, like, if it came down.

[B]

To it, it's so important to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I would quit this life in a heartbeat to just do what I do. Because I. I leave film, like filming, and I kind of have anxiety or I'm just not feeling, you know, that great about myself sometimes. And then I leave the hospital and every single time I leave, I'm like.

[A]

Damn, you feel like you did something great.

[B]

Like, I just helped that person, you know, and it's like an empowering feeling to be able to do that. And I appreciate it so much.

[A]

And also maybe to not completely rely on this, like, to know that you have something else.

[B]

And it keeps me very grounded because I'm like, this is reality.

[A]

This is what's important.

[B]

This is what's important.

[A]

Saving lives.

[B]

Exactly Right, Exactly.

[A]

You're saving lives.

[B]

I mean, I would say. I would say enhancing. Enhancing lives.

[A]

Yeah. Let's be more dramatic. Saving lives. Saving lives.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Do you feel, like, judged by the. The people in Charleston, like you were just saying, like, you did say a second ago, before. It was just the beginning. Like, I barely knew anybody. The good old days.

[B]

Like, I mean, it's just, like, so incestual there, and, like, everyone knows everything you're up to. I'm like, why do you care so much about, like. Like, there was this drunk girl in the bathroom the other day, and she's like. I mean, wasted. And she's looking at me, and she's like, you're 98% of what my girl group talks about. And, like, I think that you should carry yourself differently in some situations. And I'm like, I don't know you. What do you mean? And I'm like, I don't care if your friends are talking about me. And I was like. And this is why I hang out with the guys, because y' all are mean.

[A]

Girls are mean to you.

[B]

Girls are mean. I mean, not my girls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I have a solid group of six, like, girls from college that aren't.

[A]

Yeah. That aren't.

[B]

That are not associated with this. And they are the best people in my life.

[A]

How do they support you through, like, times like this?

[B]

I mean, they're just always there. You know, they're the. The people I call first, and they. Yeah, they know, but they also. They just have great advice for me. I mean, they can't watch it. They're like, that's not our Sally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're, like, looking. They're like, we can't look at you in that. In that way. But they just support me and everything.

[A]

So what do you think that. What is something that people aren't seeing of you on the show?

[B]

I mean, I probably. How good of a friend I am. Like, I really am. Like, I take pride in being a good friend. You know? Like, I. There's instances where I will. I will always put my friends above my own needs. Like, if my girlfriends need me, I'm there all the time. And, like, I wouldn't touch a man that. Or, like, talk to a man. Like, if my friends even were a little bit associated with them.

[A]

So if, like, Charlie told you, I'm really feeling Craig, you would step off?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[A]

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[B]

Well, thank you.

[A]

I really could. And I, you know, in this season, like, yes. You make some, you know, messy decisions or you say some wild, like, I want Austin's dick. Or like, what?

[B]

I was just being honest. I mean, like, can you blame a girl?

[A]

You're being honest in that moment. That's what you wanted. You wanted Austin's dick in that moment.

[B]

I mean, he's like, I'm going to the bathroom.

[A]

You're like, I want us to say.

[B]

I don't know, not necessarily in the bathroom in that moment, but in general.

[A]

You were feeling him.

[B]

Yeah, I'm still feeling him.

[A]

You're still feeling him?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sally.

[B]

I know. I get giddy when I talk about him.

[A]

Are you like a thingy thingy? Okay.

[B]

That he's who I was literally in the Uber talking. I was, like, crying on the phone to him. I'm like. And he was.

[A]

You guys, the only thing I'm worried about, you Guys is I feel like the beginning of your relationship. You're like, what are you gonna say? No, that your beginning of your relationship, you know, when you have a common enemy. Common enemy could bring two people together. So when I saw you guys, like, talking about Craig, that's when you guys were really, like, vibing, you know, like, you're like your mutual, like, annoyance with Craig and together being able to like, bounce off each other. I was like, oh, my God. They're. They're. They're thriving off a common kind of enemy. But yeah, aside from that, like, are you said you're looking for something serious in your life, right?

[B]

I am.

[A]

Do you think that Austin could be that?

[B]

I do, but not like right now. I think we have such a good friendship and we rely on each other a lot and we support each other a lot. And I think we both like what we have, you know, right now, which is just a really good friendship. I mean, like, we talk every day.

[A]

Hooking up.

[B]

There's a little messing around.

[A]

I saw the coming scenes, baby girl.

[B]

Yeah, there's a little bit of messing around for sure.

[A]

Are you protecting yourself? Not like, protect. Not like that. Kind of like your heart, I mean.

[B]

Yeah. And like, this is the thing. Like, it's so funny to me and Austin. We talk about it like, everyone calls me, like, Sally's gotta be a stage five clinger just. Cause of everything that went down with Craig this season. I'm like, most guys that I've been with have like, ended it with me because they can't keep me inside, you know, Like. Like, I'm like, I'm not a clinger at all. And like, I think me and Austin, like, we kind of vibe with that because, you know, we'll be out at dinner and he's like, talking to other girls because, like, we know we're not. I don't really think we're ready for each other right now. You know, I think we're both just.

[A]

Do you think it.

[B]

It could be something in the future? I do. I do think that. I think all of our castmates would feel the same way.

[A]

Really? When has. When did people start feeling this? Like, towards the end of last season. Like, you guys got close towards the end of the season?

[B]

Yeah, we got really close. And I think.

[A]

What brought you close? Hating Craig?

[B]

Just. Yeah, probably.

[A]

Well, in the. In the middle of the season. I feel like you guys were chatting at the bar restaurant when Audrey left.

[B]

And Audrey watching that back, I felt so bad. I was like. Because I didn't know that that was going on. And she's so sweet. She really is. I really.

[A]

Well, she was saying. I think she was telling Austin, you don't even say hi to her, though.

[B]

Yeah, I, I, I don't think I thought that she wanted me to because, like, I knew that, like, she kind of knew that I had. I thought her boyfriend was, like, hot and had a good personality or whatever. But I never made a move on Austin during that relationship. And I think.

[A]

No, when you found out, I know I was.

[B]

It was. I get icky watching it. Okay. Like, I was not good, but I was really.

[A]

What?

[B]

I know. Really excited.

[A]

Did he really say down when he was going in the bathroom?

[B]

He did.

[A]

That annoyed me.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He was like, sally, down, dog. I know why.

[A]

Because he could, like, knew that you were feeling him.

[B]

Yeah. It wasn't hard to see. I was like, I was coming in hot.

[A]

I was coming in hot. But.

[B]

Yeah, but he was so respectful of Audrey during their relationship. Like, we were friends, and I wanted to, like, go to lunch with him one day because we. We have this spot, Santi's and Charleston, and we love it. And he was like, we have to invite someone else, too. Like, I can't go to lunch with you one on one. Like, why? I have a really.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I'm in a relationship. So I will say, like, I think that our friendship got even deeper, like, when they broke up, obviously, because then we could actually hang out one on one. And we never were doing that before.

[A]

Did you have an inclination that their relationship was gonna end?

[B]

Yeah, I did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just from what people were saying in the group, you know? But I think we both are under. Like, if I got a boyfriend, I think he'd get him. I think he'd be annoyed. And if he got a girlfriend, like, I'd be annoyed.

[A]

So are you not dating?

[B]

I mean, I'm definitely, like, talking to people. I'm just not seriously dating, you know?

[A]

Are you on apps and stuff?

[B]

No, just Instagram. I slide in the dms.

[A]

Yeah. Like what? Like, like, like people that we know.

[B]

I. Yeah.

[A]

Like who?

[B]

I mean, I just slid into Cooper de Jeans, football player for the Eagles.

[A]

Oh, you did? Yeah.

[B]

Little 22 year old.

[A]

22. Did he answer?

[B]

Well, he's like, dating a 40 or not dating. Casually seeing a 40.

[A]

Oh, my God, she has all this stats. She has all the deeds. Oh, my God, he's dating Nikki Bella.

[B]

Well, I sent him the. The article and I was like, are you dating her?

[A]

Oh, that was your slide?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. I liked Two pictures of his, and then he, like. Two pictures of mine, and then, like, I was just like it.

[A]

Did he answer?

[B]

Yeah, I have his number.

[A]

Oh, that guy.

[B]

I think he's so cute. Wait, so he's gonna kill me.

[A]

Okay, so they're not DM me back pretty quickly. Oh, he did?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Does he have a lot of followers? Is he, like, a big Instagram guy? Really?

[B]

Over a million. Yeah. So I was shocked when he replied back.

[A]

Is. Did it end there?

[B]

I told him happy birthday, like, two days ago.

[A]

Is anything that come from us?

[B]

I mean, I would love to meet him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If he's not dating her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like, there's all these articles that they are dating, but he, in all of his interviews is like, saying, no. No. Yeah.

[A]

Interesting. What happened to me?

[B]

Now I'm scared because that girl's gonna beat my ass if they are dating.

[A]

I mean, it's fake beating ass, though. The ww.

[B]

Okay, she can throw me.

[A]

Yeah. Tell me what happened to man bun guy.

[B]

He cheated on me.

[A]

He's a cheater too.

[B]

I know. It's so sad. Yeah. I mean, like, not seemed like he was so.

[A]

Those are the guys you got to be aware of. He seemed so into you.

[B]

I know. I mean, like, he wanted to make.

[A]

Out all the time. No, but he seemed like he was. Just Couldn't get enough of you.

[B]

Yeah. And that was not the case because he stopped being sexual, like, for, like, four months in the end. And that's why I started thinking, like, like, what's going on? And he left his Apple watch at my house, and there was no passcode on it.

[A]

And what'd you see?

[B]

Like, he'd been talking to a girl for, like, a month and a half.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Nothing. She lived in. I know. And people wonder why I'm so not. Well.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

That's.

[A]

I have gone through it in relationships. You mean. But people would then ask, are you making a smart decision now with having this Austin thing going on?

[B]

You know, I think I'm making a smart decision by keeping it as, like, yeah, friends. Because he really does, like, he helps my. My mental status.

[A]

He does. Listen, this season especially, like, I feel like we're seeing such a different side to him. And, I mean, I've always said. And I said this season, too, like, the moments with his family, you can tell. You could tell how a guy is, like, really by how he is with his family. He also hasn't been a great partner on the show. And from what we've seen, but he seems very sweet with his sister and his mom, and that's important. Yeah, but what do you think is happening between him and Craig? Like, what is. What is the fucking. Who's jealous of who? Are both of them. Are they in love with each other? Like, what is going on there? If you had to guess?

[B]

I have no idea. I think it's just a friendship that has, like, competition, you know? I think. I wouldn't say that they're jealous of each other, but I just think that they, like. I don't know. I don't know. And they just frustrate each other. Everything that they do.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Everything.

[A]

I mean, he said. Austin said that he hates him.

[B]

I know. And, like, Craig. But, like, Craig says, you know, stuff like, what do you have to show for five years of her life?

[A]

I know.

[B]

And that's so.

[A]

It's harsh.

[B]

Yeah, that's so harsh. Both of them are harsh, but all of us want to see them be friends. I just, like, think that there's always gonna be some underlying tension for God knows what.

[A]

You said to who. You're talking to my enemy. Did Austin.

[B]

Craig said it to me, and then I told Austin.

[A]

He ran.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, didn't even wait. Like.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I know.

[A]

And you're talking to my enemy. He said to you. Like, that's so heavy and dramatic. And they're dudes, like. And it's supposed to be, like, chill. You're talking to my enemy.

[B]

And they're supposed to be friends. Look.

[A]

And they're supposed to be friends.

[B]

I think it's hard when you're, like, friends on a. On a TV show, and, like, one might be getting, you know, more famous, like, growing, like. I don't know. I think that there's, like. I don't want to say jealousy, because I know it's not jealousy, but, like, competition.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think that there's, like. Like, I think I would be the same, you know, if I brought Charlie on and then, like, Charlie, like, skyrocketed. I'd be happy for her and everything, but I also would be kind of, like, underlying. Be like, well, why wouldn't. Like, why do people like her more than me?

[A]

Or, like, so this would be Austin in this situation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would feel that way about Craig. Like, why is he getting more?

[B]

And then I think, like, Craig's like, you can do so much more and, like, be so much better, and then it's just, like, it doesn't work out. I don't know.

[A]

But they also, like, trigger each other.

[B]

They trigger each Other so much, but we need to.

[A]

I mean, the. The craziest thing about this season to me was the chickens. All of it. For me, I do not like birds. So you even holding that bird, like, gives me, like, you know. But you literally got chickens, Safe to say, because of Craig.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say I got him for Craig, but, yes. It was like a conversation. We were in the hot tub, and he was like. We were talking about farm life, and I was like, I've always wanted chickens. And he was like, me, too. He's like, but I can't have chickens here because my hoa. And I was like, I can have chickens. I don't have an hoa. And he's like, should we get chickens? And I was like, what? Let's do it. Because I'm. I'm someone that's very spontaneous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, if it doesn't work out, I'll get rid of the chickens.

[A]

So you got the chickens?

[B]

I got the chickens. And they were cute for, like, a day.

[A]

And then what happened?

[B]

They were so smelly, they had to be under a heat lamp. So they were.

[A]

Who was doing all this?

[B]

Me.

[A]

Just. You?

[B]

Yes. And they were living in my guest room because they can't live outside when they're babies. So I should have gotten adult chickens because I didn't know all this. Cause I'm thinking, I'm gonna take these chickens home. They're gonna cuddle with my wiener dogs. They're gonna swim in my pool. And then the lady's like, they can't get wet. They'll die when they're babies. And then my dogs tried to murder them every day.

[A]

So what did you do?

[B]

So you'll see in, like, I think the last episode or something, but, yeah, I don't. I don't have those chickens anymore.

[A]

That was a crazy. Is that the craziest thing you've done? Cause of a guy?

[B]

Yeah. I have a lot of tattoos up my left arm. I like one. I hope they're not, because I was dating Andrew, that tattooed man. The bun man.

[A]

Oh, the bun man.

[B]

Yeah. But, like, now I'm kind of looking back on my life after the chickens, and I'm like, did I do that for a man?

[A]

The chickens or the tattoos?

[B]

Both. Like, I need some serious therapy over here.

[A]

So no bad blood?

[B]

No bad.

[A]

You're good with Craig?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're good with Venita?

[B]

I don't know now.

[A]

What did Austin say, though?

[B]

Oh, he's. He's, like, done with winner.

[A]

I could see maybe an inkling of that in the. When you were trying to make up with Venita. You know the scene I'm talking about. And he came over.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And he got very like, hot headed for a second. Right. Do you remember that moment?

[B]

Yeah. And he does have that. And I don't think that, you know, we haven't seen that yet, but I guess I'm about to see it.

[A]

So how are you going to take care of yourself before going into next season? Like mental health, all those things.

[B]

I am actually looking into a place in. I think it's Malibu. My publicist was looking into this place for me because I was going to go to Arizona and do like a week or week and a half cleanse of like no phone, no alcohol, and chill out before the next season starts.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

Because I think I need that because I'm on my phone so much more than I ever have been.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

And like, people notice it. My family notices it. It. My friends notice it.

[A]

Like you're on. Looking at what people are saying kind of thing.

[B]

Not necessarily that I'm just like, on it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, I don't want to be like that. And I can admit that I'm. I'm doing that. Like, I feel I. I put my phone down to pick it right back up.

[A]

But what about. I know I've looked at like pickups one time. It's like 151 times you picked up your phone today.

[B]

Terrible.

[A]

The pickups are crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think Vanita was saying that she has like a. She doesn't like, look at social media.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

During the season.

[B]

She doesn't. I think that there will be some stuff that we obviously get sent to us or like, see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm. I mean, I'm looking at all you're looking.

[A]

So when you look at like negative things fans say, is that something that.

[B]

It doesn't bother me.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, some things do, but I mean, this one girl sent me like four paragraphs. I sent her the craziest message back.

[A]

What'd she say?

[B]

She just was like, you're going to be a horrible wife, a horrible mother. You are horrible to your chickens. And she went off about the chickens. And I mean, I said something like I was insane back. I. What'd you say? I literally said, I'll your dad and make him eat my chickens.

[A]

I could.

[B]

I was like sitting at dinner with Austin and I was like, I'm gonna say this. And he was like, do it do it. And he was like, what's her. What's her Instagram handle? And then he looks her up, and then he starts Dming her.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. And then I block her. So I got the last word.

[A]

So you block these people.

[B]

Oh, I literally said that one line, and then I blocked her.

[A]

So I'm gonna block your dad and make him eat my chickens. Because she was a girl. You could tell that she was, like, a young girl.

[B]

Yeah, No, I think she was, like, middle age. But wait, that makes the dad thing so much worse.

[A]

The dad things so much worse. I don't know why I was picking, like, somebody. At least, like, the dad is hot. I mean, I think she's.

[B]

She just had, like, pictures. She had, like, two posts.

[A]

Ghosts. I know. It's always those people. It's like, what do you look like?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you look like?

[B]

Literally?

[A]

So that's your dad? And what does your dad look like?

[B]

Yeah. The bad mother and bad wife thing gets to me just because, like, I know I'm gonna be a great mother and a great wife and.

[A]

Is that something you want? You want a family and. Because you froze your eggs. You spoke about that.

[B]

I'm going to freeze.

[A]

You're going to freeze your ass. You have, like, a plan, because you don't you want to be, like, not have to worry about it. Yeah.

[B]

There's, like, one thing that would make me super upset in life. Like, really, really upset and depressed, and that's not having kids. Like, I would be unwell. I want my own kids so bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My niece and nephew. I mean, they are just, like, my whole world. I want to steal them all and make them my own.

[A]

But. But you're not ready quite yet.

[B]

I mean, I would say if I, like, happen to. Yeah. I mean, like, I want the whole thing of, like, a husband and all of that. It's just if that doesn't happen for me, like, I would 100 do it on my own.

[A]

Because you're such a. I mean, it's really nice that you're. Did you talk about owning you own your home. You have a great job.

[B]

Like, if for some reason, like, I were to get pregnant or something, like, I.

[A]

You feel like you could do it?

[B]

I could 100% do it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. I just would have to change some of my, like, lifestyle. Lifestyle. But that's fine because I'm, like, ready. Guy would be ready to do that if I had a child.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I love babies, especially mine, but especially my unborn one. Yeah.

[A]

Well, you go, girl. For real. And I can't wait to watch next season. I feel like.

[B]

I know I'm already getting, like, giving teasers for it. It hasn't even happened yet. We haven't even filmed it yet.

[A]

Well, we know that you and Austin are gonna be. There's gonna be a filming situation there.

[B]

We're definitely gonna have. I think it's gonna be a really fun season, especially, like, me and him and Madison and Brett have. The four of us have so much fun together.

[A]

Because you guys were doing, like, those tick tocks. It was so funny.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, we're gonna hang out when we get back from New York, but. But it's just, like, a solid group that is just, like, carefree and fun and, you know, it's two singles, and.

[A]

Then it's Craig Jelly.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

You don't think he cares?

[B]

I don't know. I mean, I think he definitely wants to be more. I mean, him and Madison have a really good relationship, and I think he wants to be solid with everyone, and, like, we want that too. Like, I would love. I would love that. I just think he needs to work on his anger, and I think he knows that too.

[A]

If I could be anybody on reality tv, it would be Madison pregnant. Just, like, getting the tea and eating.

[B]

She's amazing.

[A]

You know, she's.

[B]

She's perfect.

[A]

It's just, like, fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, for her.

[B]

She had fun, and now she's like. She keeps saying she's like, I'm gonna have a hot girl summer. So she's excited to not be pregnant this season.

[A]

Yes. I get it.

[B]

And drink with the girls. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming.

[B]

I want to thank you. I had so much fun.

[A]

Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Knott's Kenny. But not fellow fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening, and I'll see you next Tuesday.

[B]

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