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Jade Iovine
The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
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Amanda Hirsch
Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars.
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Spencer Pratt
On my very own podcast, where you'll.
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Amanda Hirsch
Feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. You guys, you know what's so funny? I woke up today early with the kids at around six. Six. I mean, that's just a new hour of my life that I used to only freaking wake up at a time when I had to go to the airport. Okay, now the hour that's weird to wake up at when you go to the airport is 4. Six is a normal me hour.
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Spencer Pratt
Anyway, I woke up with the kids.
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Amanda Hirsch
And then I let Hus sleep in today because we do that for each other sometimes. Yes, it's called, like, just Good Partners. Like, good people. I don't know. And he woke up, and then he. I was like, sing something. I can't remember what song I was singing. And he was like, what literally happened? He was like, what happened this morning? Like, what news did you get? And I was like, oh, my God. I don't know. I'm just in a good mood. Like, sometimes the ups and downs.
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Spencer Pratt
Guys, what do you want me to be? Like, grouchy?
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, good morning. I Woke up at 6, which I could be, I guess, sometimes, like, you know, when you let your partner sleep, but then you secretly hate them for it, Every breath they take in their sleep, you're like, but I didn't feel that way today. So guess he was shocked. Anyway, how is everybody? I truly miss you. I truly, truly, truly miss you. I feel like we didn't just, like. I feel like I didn't do, like, amazing a while. I feel like I didn't do, like, what do you guys want to hear from me? Even though I never do that. Just kidding. If you know me, you know I would never. If you see a post for me that says, let me know what you want to see more of.
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Spencer Pratt
Recipes, GRWMs.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, know that I am kidnapped, okay? And that you need to help me. Literally. Oh, my God. I just can't. Like, why would I ask you what to do? Like, I will ask you other things, like what medicine to give my kids.
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Spencer Pratt
Or, like, how to treat the flu.
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Amanda Hirsch
Like, anything else, I will ask you, and I need you, but I will not ask you to tell me what to do. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, we have such a fun episode today. Spencer Pratt is finally on. And when I say finally, it's because I've wanted this guy on, like, forever, and I love that he's finally on when he's like, on one hand, sliving, on the other hand, like, went through the biggest trauma ever. But, you know, as he will say in our conversation, it's so mixed and, and crazy because on one hand, they lost everything in the LA fires, and that's just indescribable to have lost so much of your life and everything they've worked for, they put in the house. But at the same time, the meteoric rise of his wife Heidi to Pop Sturdom. Okay, it's just wild. I have to say. This is like, my opinion on Spencer. Love the guy. I. I'm rooting for them as a family. I'm obviously rooting for Heidi, but I think I even say it to him in this interview, like, he's the star to me. Like, he, like, I love his support of Heidi and I think she's killing it. But, like, he, like, what are we doing with him? What do we do with him? Like, is just so unapologetic. He's one of the first to be that way to say, I want to be famous. I don't give a. He says, why, you know, being famous is so important to him. And look at him like a decade later. Plus, plus, plus he's still around and doing bigger things than ever. And I really do, you know, just wish for them to have continued success so they can rebuild a home for their family. And you know, Spencer, he's just like unappelled Donna Clay, Rod real.
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Spencer Pratt
He truly is. He's so wild.
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Amanda Hirsch
And he's on the new Hulu Show. Got to get out, which you can watch now. So he's, he's ever.
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Spencer Pratt
He's everywhere.
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Amanda Hirsch
And I have a, I have a feeling. I tell him in the pod, like, I have a feeling him and Heidi are going to get their own show. That's my feeling. I'm putting it out there. And if not that, I'm manifesting it for them. So enjoy my conversation with Spencer, you guys.
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Spencer Pratt
Oh, you're in a full press day. You're like in a. In a place with a studio and a. You know, let's be people helping you.
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Jade Iovine
Full transparency. When I drove to ABC Disney lot, I imagined I was coming to a podcast studio with, like, microphones and. But this is a lovely conference room with a. It looks like a nice 2019 laptop. I'm sure, you know, they're going to get ahead of the curve in the future. Get, like, those. Like a media room.
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Spencer Pratt
I mean, it just shows you guys, like, you know, and I feel like you say this a lot, and that's kind of part of your.
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Amanda Hirsch
Your whole.
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Spencer Pratt
Your whole vibe. Like, it's not what it seems. You guys. Nothing is. You know what I mean? The glitz and the glam and the. And the fudgeing. Whatever. It isn't. You know, I went to New York Fashion Week show once, and I wanted to die. Like, it was awful. I hated it. Everyone was pushing me. Went through, like, an ugly back door. It's boring.
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Amanda Hirsch
There's no food, there's no drink.
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Spencer Pratt
You know, it's.
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Jade Iovine
It's very disheartening. It's funny. You know, it's lovely people here that.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah.
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Jade Iovine
You know, there's no.
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Spencer Pratt
No, no, of course. We love Hulu.
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Jade Iovine
The human being typed up the human being. Pages of notes that I should have read for this podcast.
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Spencer Pratt
No notes for you.
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Jade Iovine
They look beautiful, though. How they look like structure, the bolding. And I. You know, I thought, these are great.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah.
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Jade Iovine
Kids, one day.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah, well, you don't need any prep for this. I went on your pod a while ago, you know, do you remember?
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Jade Iovine
And ever since then, it's been uphill. Yes, I do remember. I do remember some things.
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Spencer Pratt
How are you doing? How are you doing, Mr. Pratt, Mr. Heidi?
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Jade Iovine
I'm doing phenomenal. That's why I tell myself every second, try to stay positive, because so many great things are going on, and if I focus on so many terrible things, I would, as the kids say, crash out or spiral or I think.
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Amanda Hirsch
Wait, how old are you? Spencer?
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Jade Iovine
Remind me not put me in a demo here. I'm trying to hit all quadrants. People want to, you know, hit a Google search and help my. My search queue. Queue, whatever it is, because you said.
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Spencer Pratt
As the kids say. Oh, 41. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Jade Iovine
I shouldn't know.
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Spencer Pratt
I felt like we were the same age, you know? So I was wondering, like, oh, how old are you? I'm 36.
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Jade Iovine
We're in the same demo.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah, we're in the same demo.
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Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
So as the kids say.
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Jade Iovine
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
So you're.
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Jade Iovine
You're trying not to crash out.
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Spencer Pratt
You know, you were from day one. I mean, we all kind of watched you, obviously, like, a reality show on, like, tick tock and. And Instagram. How did you, like, how were you acting so together from day one? Did, like, the camera documenting, like, help the situation? Are you a positive guy? Did. When you stopped tick tocking, were you in A different mood.
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Jade Iovine
It's funny. For years, ever since I first, like 2016, when I first Snapchatted myself all day long, I always joked that it's like having your internal monologue out loud. And I always felt like that helped me process things. Some people use therapy or whatever. And then the great part about, you know, comment sections, replies is you have people giving you free therapy advice, whether it's terrible, evil, so you get all the, like, ways you could be looking at your life. So I do think it was very helpful. And it was. It took me out of reality because when you're, like, just locked into, like, a phone and talking to strangers all day long and engaging with bots, you know, it's easier because you start calling your mom, who's hysterically crying all day long. You know, we can't leave our white walled room. You could lock into that too and want us to start crying all day. So thankfully, also the kid having kids, you can't be crying all day long in front of your kids. So.
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Spencer Pratt
Right.
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Jade Iovine
You know, that helps put on. It's not an act. It's just like choosing what emotions to, like, focus on. But no, I mean, like, I am not positive about the situation. Only thing I'm positive about are the good things that came from it. With people supporting Heidi's music and know, really helping her achieve such a next level of legit pop stardom. You know, being 52 in the billboard charts and all the, you know, number one on dance, number two on day, like, all those things, like, I just focus on that because I'm like, okay, there's. There's the. There's. Otherwise it's so horrible, you know, it's so horrible. Like, my parents are calling, like, hopefully somebody buys our dirt. We. I'm like, what is my life been where? Like, my childhood home. I have, like, my parents hoping someone's buying their dirt so they can get a new place. So they're not living in an apartment right now at 78, you know, with two dogs.
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Spencer Pratt
Oh, your parents are 78 and they're.
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Amanda Hirsch
Living in an apartment?
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah. Because if you guys don't know. Spencer Pratt, I mean, everybody knows, but your house burned down in the Palisade fires. You were one of the first. You. You make fun of this. So it's hard for me because I know kind of what you think about this, but you made a comment because it was said you were like, one of the first famous people to kind of confirm that this had happened. I remember you then went in, you're like all these years I've wanted to be called famous. And here. Here it is. But you were one of the first people to kind of really, like we talked about, talk about what's going on, say what happened, be angry with the city. As everybody knows, you're suing the city. But your parents as well, lost their.
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Amanda Hirsch
Home, which is your childhood home.
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Spencer Pratt
And the.
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Amanda Hirsch
The Pacific Palisades.
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Spencer Pratt
Like I was, you know, as a.
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Amanda Hirsch
Fan of the shows that you were.
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Spencer Pratt
On the Hills and everything, and knowing the Pacific Palisades like it's super bouge, right? Like the people that were living there.
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Jade Iovine
Now, like ever since Caruso came, like right before that happened with the village. Like, my parents probably bought their house for 400 grand back in when they did. Like the Alphabet streets where now houses are, were $15 million. You could get a house on Alphabet street when I was growing up for a quarter million dollars. Like never growing up was the Palisades. Like, oh, the Palisades. Like Malibu had more of that. And still even Malibu people that argue that Malibu used to not be. Yeah, the beach houses. The beach houses. But there's regular people that live in the hills of Malibu. When I say regular, I mean not ultra elite, wealthy international people. Most of the people aren't even from the US that have all these crazy house. They're not from Malibu, they're not from Palisades or people just buying real estate. But yeah, no, now that's why we can't move back is to rebuild our 2500 square foot house in the Palisades would be $5 million, like without furniture, without any of our stuff in it.
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Spencer Pratt
And you bought the house what we are mortgage.
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Jade Iovine
But we bought it for like it was things like 2, 1, 2, 3, like 8 years ago.
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Spencer Pratt
8 years ago. And. And I read that you really poured like every. I mean dollar that you made and.
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Jade Iovine
Everything into that house legitimately. You could drink our toilet water. It was. I had the best water filters in the houses. You know, like, it was. Was like a portal of heaven.
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Amanda Hirsch
So terrible.
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Spencer Pratt
I'm. First of all, I'm so sorry.
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Jade Iovine
I didn't drink that drink water. Let's be clear. Just saying that was the pitch that of fora. When they do the system like this is, you know, so let's just put that out there.
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Spencer Pratt
And can you tell us what's going on with like insurance and stuff? Like is that.
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Jade Iovine
Yeah, we got dropped after the Woosley fire in Malibu. Farmers, which we paid eight years for or whatever, they dropped everyone in Palisades. So the Only insurance you could get, which was even hard to get, was California Fair Plan, which only covered structure, which is $1 million. Since we were on a hill to rebuild our structure up to the codes they now have is 1.5 million in cement and pilings. So let's just say. And then they're like, oh, you can get an SBA loan. So now to even do that, I'd have a loan for 30 years. And it's not like a PPP loan. You got to pay it back. So we have a mortgage still on. The house has burned down. Property taxes on a house you can't live on. Now, potentially a loan that to then now pay for the next 30 years. That isn't even enough money to start building the house. So that's why I'm hustling like a psychopath. Because I'm like, Tate McCrae's rich, Lady Gaga's rich. All these pop girls would there work hard. I'm not saying, like, they're rich. So I am putting my whole life into achieving as close as we can get to, like, pop stardom for Heidi.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah.
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Jade Iovine
Like be able to just buy a house again.
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Spencer Pratt
How did this idea come to you? And the craziness of everything you. You know, I can't even imagine the emotions. You have two young boys, like, how in this is your brain spinning, going, wait, remember that pop album we made for Heidi? I'm gonna start pushing that right now. What year did you guys actually make the album?
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Jade Iovine
Here's why. It's like, I don't want to say I'm meant to be because all my friends and family's house burned down. But like, on the weird it being meant to be for the timing. So Heidi song I'll do it blew up on Douyen in China. We're talking billions of streams in the last two years. And pre fire. And then pre fire, it got up to 800,000 creates as an audio on TikTok. So checks started coming in for the first time in 15 years, like a year ago for the music. And so I'm calling now the music distributor who I've never talked to before. I'm like, yo, how do these checks keep coming? And they're like, oh, it's all algorithms. You're going to need to keep feeding the algorithm for new music to keep this going. So we reached out to all the hottest, youngest music producers there were, and we started cutting more music. So Heidi has like 24 records pre house being burned down that we're about to put out as New music every six weeks to keep Superficial album in the algorithm. So the week of the fires fire is January 7th. The 15 year anniversary album of Superficial is January 10th, 2010. So the week that this was already happening, I had already been getting ready to re release the anniversary edition that was coming out on January 10th. So I have 40 emails from all these people involved in these music and distributors and rereleases remixes. So like our house burning burned down but I'm still getting all these emails because the releases on that.
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Spencer Pratt
So you were in the loop already.
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Jade Iovine
Of the music stuff like let me take what I like. It was just so I wouldn't have thought of it if it was, it.
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Spencer Pratt
Was just, if it wasn't just happening.
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Jade Iovine
At the same time just organically. Three days from three days. January 7th, house burns down. January 10th. This is all queued up to be dropping be released.
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Amanda Hirsch
Sounds like that's crazy.
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Spencer Pratt
How does. Okay, so as an outsider looking in, I'm kind of like trying to. Because I see you and you're such a like extroverted, you know, like I said like you always wanted to be in front of the camera. You talked about it, you loved it. I could never fully understand with Heidi even from the show, like what is, you know, like what does she want it as bad as you? And even now I'm like, does she? Because you see in the videos like she's not, she, she's not where you are with like we gotta do this, we gotta. She's more like I just want to be with my kids and like go to the store, you know. So like are you a stage husband right now? Like does she wanted as bad as you do?
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Jade Iovine
Well she always wanted to be a singer pre reality star. So like before she wanted anything growing up, like you watch all her old videos, she's like performing, going to the performances, the singing stuff. Then she goes to Italy and falls in love with fashion in high school. So then she's like, I'm going to go to fashion school and be a designer. That's where she then meets Elsie. Elsie brings her into reality tv. And then when I met her she had like a music manager and they were working on like more like Ashley Simpson type music. And I was like, you don't even listen to this. I love Ashley Simpson. I'm not shady.
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Spencer Pratt
I do too. Yeah.
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Jade Iovine
And I love the whole album Clear, no shade. But I was like, but this isn't what you listen to. You're in the clubs listening to like sexy back, Justin Timberlake, Brittney like, why are you doing this type of music? Like you should. So then I took her to Dave Foster and he got her with the Swedes and they did body language and blah, blah.
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Spencer Pratt
Wait, David Foster?
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Jade Iovine
David Foster, Yeah, that was the first person. So we took. We went to Dave Foster's studio where we filmed Princeton Malva's, where like buble Celine Dion, like. And he put her on a mic behind the piano. And I was. And I. And he's like, he does not play games any.
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Spencer Pratt
No, he's a big deal.
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Jade Iovine
Yeah. He's not like, gonna be like, okay, Spencer, let me. Let me help your girlfriend for you. He's gonna like me, you know. So he makes her sing all these notes. Da, da da.
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Spencer Pratt
And he's like, you guys, David Foster is Sa. Aaron Foster's dad. He's like a musical genius. He just had a new play come out.
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Amanda Hirsch
Boop.
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Spencer Pratt
He's married to Katherine McPhee. Like, he's a musical. Yeah.
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Jade Iovine
And I didn't know really who he was until the Netflix documentary on him. So, like, I didn't even treat him like who we, you know, because Brody just always said he made elevator music. So that was like my, you know, takeaway for real. And so he makes Heidi sing all these notes and he's like, okay, you have the tone we need to make you like a pop star. So he connects her at the time, the head of A and R, RIP Tommy Page, he went to heaven. But big dog pop Music, A and R at Warner, they bring her in the room with Evan Bogart, who had wrote SOS for Rihanna just now, the number one record. And then Twin, which is Yokim, who's like Max Martin's other legendary Swedish producer. And they did Body Language. So Body Language gets put out by Ryan Seacrest, starts. Everyone starts loving it. And Warner now wants to sign Heidi to a 360 deal. But I still had are my lawyer from Princess Malibu happened to be Michael Jackson's lawyer, RIP Peter Lopez. He's in heaven also. So we had this big dog music lawyer, literally, Michael Jackson musical. He's like, you're not signing 360 deal. You're a star of an MTV show. And they just brought 360 deals into play where that means they're going to take her TV money, even though it's for the music. And he's like, don't sign this. So it's all good. We ended up getting Body Language worked out, but she didn't sign to Warner. Down the line, Atlantic Records, Tomoskowitz who is the president of Atlantic, ends up giving Heidi her own distribution deal, which is through Warner ada, which is. She's still under ADA Warner, so at all. David Foster is why we are still so. I love him for life. No, Heidi is the most locked in. She's every day driving three hours. You can't stage manage. She's driving three hours every day now from Santa Barbara. Three hours each way, pretty much. With traveling six hours a day to be in the recording studio to do her rehearsals. Like, she's just so like she wants to get.
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Spencer Pratt
Did she get like new? Are you her manager?
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Jade Iovine
Like, I'm her like text assistant. Like, like.
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Spencer Pratt
So did she get like a proper like all these. She has a music team around her now.
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Jade Iovine
Managers did reach out, but she already was with W. So now once the music started popping off, you know, she has WME and Auk bike. Oh, you know. So she had a serious team, but now pivot. Now they're doing to music. Now they're doing. She's performing in San Francisco for pride. 22,000 people. She's doing Seattle. 20,000 people. She's doing hoopla in London. 30,000 people.
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Spencer Pratt
Wow.
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Amanda Hirsch
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Spencer Pratt
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Amanda Hirsch
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Spencer Pratt
How did I get it?
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Amanda Hirsch
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This is Jade Iovine from Live from Bed, and this is your official invitation to hide from the world in bed with me. Every Wednesday, I pull the covers over my head and drag my favorite people in with me. From Internet sensations to experts to celebrate all of our bad habits, worst traits, and the internal monologues that would probably make both our therapists and the group chat nervous. Listen to Live From Bed new episodes every Wednesday. Wherever you get your podcasts. Now get cozy. It's bedtime.
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Amanda Hirsch
And we're back.
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Spencer Pratt
I mean, it's just such a mind to think, like, you know, how much you guys have been through since January. You're probably so happy about the success, right? But then it's hard to think, like, kind of where it started or you guys, did you guys take time to, like, because it feels like you didn't have time. Did you try to take time to heal from this massive thing that happened to you?
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Jade Iovine
Oh, not at all. Not at all. And I plan on doing that. Like, back in a house we own. One day it's like crying for a month with my hummingbirds. And you know, if my parents had insurance, I would be in a way better place. But like, they, my dad, they'd been there. You're worried about them years. They didn't have fire insurance. Like, said, why didn't you have fire insurance, dad? Like, we lived on the hill, like, where a fire could have happened, you know, like, yeah, dirt near us. You know, like, that shouldn't have because, like, I truly think that shouldn't even have happened on our street, but where they lived in the palaces by the bluffs. Like you said there hadn't been a fire in 150 years. It's like, yeah, why would I. But so that hurts the most that I like, can't.
- [27:19]
Spencer Pratt
More about your parents.
- [27:20]
Jade Iovine
Like, my hustle now. There's no doubt, like, my kids will have a house to live in that they own with, like, the pace I'm pushing because I, I was able to make millions of dollars back in the day. Not hustling like this. So.
- [27:35]
Spencer Pratt
Because, you know, you're confident.
- [27:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah, you're confident.
- [27:37]
Jade Iovine
I'm. I know. Like, I know what it takes. I've done it. Like, if you do what ID and I are doing right now for five years, like, you're gonna get money.
- [27:46]
Spencer Pratt
Where were you at before this? Because, like, I. I watched your stories and your stuff with the hummingbirds. Like, you were kind of in a non hustling, right?
- [27:56]
Jade Iovine
That's the thing. Like, Heidi got so, you know, people got all worked up when she's like, we're house poor. Like, we put all our money into building this house because the property was going up so crazy. In Palisades, like across the street from us, $25 million house just got built. They're tearing down multiple, like, little houses. Like, they're up right above us. 45 million. So in our vision for our kids, the land we had in 20 years was going to be worth $25 million. So it was just so you thought.
- [28:26]
Spencer Pratt
You could chill a little bit.
- [28:28]
Jade Iovine
We didn't ever chill. We're always hustling. But we didn't need to. We had our house that was only going up in value. And we made enough from like, brands, social media, podcasts, Heidi's music. Even at the time, they're like, you know, we have car payment, mortgage. Nice. We shouldn't have gone to a nice market. I won't even name them anymore. But we shouldn't have been going there. But we had enough.
- [28:51]
Spencer Pratt
Why would you name that? You're. You're annoyed with them. Oh, it rhymes with.
- [28:55]
Jade Iovine
I don't trash.
- [28:57]
Spencer Pratt
Wait, why. Why are we mad at them? I missed it.
- [29:01]
Jade Iovine
All right.
- [29:02]
Spencer Pratt
Really?
- [29:03]
Jade Iovine
Seven tick tocks ago.
- [29:04]
Spencer Pratt
Oh, my God. Okay, I'm sorry. Blame that algo. Because that's my thing with tick tock. Like, you never know what pops up.
- [29:10]
Jade Iovine
Once I started talking about the fires and the lawsuit, all social media D platform and I knew I was risking it. Like, I should have kept it. Like, you know, once you go there, you. The keywords the AI, it's like, like political. You don't go from 13 million on a TikTok to the next one, like 3,000. Because you're talking about like certain people that are at fault for LA Fire, you know, So I know better.
- [29:36]
Spencer Pratt
Oh, got you.
- [29:36]
Jade Iovine
When you got emotionally, I couldn't not express myself both.
- [29:41]
Spencer Pratt
So what was that? Because we have like the, the. The fire, the Heidi's, you know, music popping off. But then there's also you personally kind of popping off, right? Going from like going to more millions of views than you've probably ever had. Everyone being obsessed, famous people supporting, you know, you couldn't. People were getting mad at people for like not using the song in their video. You couldn't post the Get Ready with Me without using Heidi song. Because then you'd be like, why are you using a different fucking song, you fucking bitch.
- [30:13]
Jade Iovine
So somebody on your team or Hulu please clip that. I want that as a Tick Tock audio, please. That's a sound. I'm just gonna be like, thank you.
- [30:24]
Spencer Pratt
So that moment, those moments of you, because you're in it, you're feeling it, you're watching the videos, you're seeing the support, you're seeing the comments, you're seeing the replies, you're replying, you're doing all this like, what is that feel like?
- [30:37]
Jade Iovine
No, I mean it was. It's what kept me from literally not having to be put in like in a mental home. Like watching your whole life burn. I don't have like I say it, people just can't process it. I don't have a photo of my existence pre iPhone. Like, and I was a curator. I had every. Just like my mom's the same way. Every single event in my whole life. I had albums in my house. Like really, Like, I like how people have Instagrams curated. I have my albums curated for my whole. Like all my highlight reels for my sports, you know, all like everything you could ever think of just being gone. Like you really feel like a ghost. Like so pre 2009, I feel like is when I. I mean the photos are so bad until like two years ago on an iPhone, like even one like a 16 megapixel. I guess kids now are like, I like an old megapixels. But I like good feel.
- [31:32]
Spencer Pratt
You're so hip, you're caught up to like everything the kids are saying because you're on Tick Tock so much. I didn't even know about this.
- [31:39]
Jade Iovine
I'm way too deep. That's what I'm Saying I'm way too deep. But yeah, no, it was life changing, you know, because I never wanted to be loved. I always just wanted to get money to like, have a good life. So, like, you never, you know, I didn't see how, you know, I thought the easiest route was always being the antagonist or the, as they say, the villain.
- [31:58]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
- [31:59]
Jade Iovine
Way easier to get people to not like you than it is to get people to like you. So you. It was a pretty quick way to get paid.
- [32:08]
Spencer Pratt
But you're so interesting, Spencer. Like you said. I wanna, I wanna say on that for a second, you never cared about people liking you. You just wanted to make money. And then you said you figured it was way easier to get people to hate you than get people to love you. Like, were you really thinking of all these things? You're like a mega smart dude.
- [32:29]
Jade Iovine
Thank God I've witnesses to like the master plan. And I was. I talk so much that there are so many people that can. We're like, I can start name dropping them. They don't want to be connected to me, you know, like, maybe now. But like my, like friends that I grew up with that watch the process. Like, Brody did just go on Nick Val's podcast and explain that he watched the literal plan to like. So it was all strategy. It went too far though. Like, because what happens is once producers start buying off family members with literal money, like for instance, Heidi's mom, when the restaurant was going out of business, they literally gave. Would give her 10, 20,000 just cash to say things, to just tear down her daughter, which I'm sure she's regrets and is atoned to or whatever she needs to do now with her process. But my point is I really then it was no longer like a, like a, like an act for me. Like, right. All these people, my sister Heidi, sister, Heidi's mom, all these people that are literally just getting bought off. And I'm watching it. I know they're getting paid to do these and say these things when they don't necessarily really feel like that they're getting. So now my act has actors that I didn't cast that are like affecting our real life. So that's when it went obviously sideways of the, like, you know, oh, I can do this. And it. And it went out of control. Like, you know, yeah. Look back and I'm like, like, I know why I look so crazy in there because I know what is going on around me and like what people are trying. So yes, it was so smart. But it, like, it got out of hand, you know?
- [34:13]
Spencer Pratt
Yeah, so it sounds like. Well, Stephanie, we know that you don't.
- [34:17]
Jade Iovine
No, no, I stopped like, caring about like, I don't care what people say and have like, episodes or deal with their own. Like, if you lie about some stuff, I'm not gonna be needed like an apology. So like.
- [34:29]
Spencer Pratt
No, but are. So you're.
- [34:30]
Jade Iovine
Yeah, we're good. Everything. Oh, like, everything's all good. You know, like, I, I. No, I mean, I am not, not gonna not have a relationship with family people because of things they have in their own brain.
- [34:45]
Spencer Pratt
You know, like, like you've forgiven. But yeah, still forget.
- [34:50]
Jade Iovine
I'll continue to forgive. I'm not gonna. Like, it is what it is. I'm never gonna. Yeah, I gotta. I learned to not have expectations on people. Like, everyone has their own things they're dealing with so. Well, I'm not gonna.
- [35:04]
Spencer Pratt
When you were saying this before, like, I didn't care to be liked. The thing that like, resonates with that is like, you still don't like the fact that you had this, like, are having this tick tock success in social media. It's not because all of a sudden you were like, hey, guys, like, love you. Like, you didn't change who you are. You know, you were still yourself. It just, I think with everything that happened, where people were feeling for you so hard at the same time and seeing the side of you that maybe they didn't see before, it all kind of like worked together to be like, okay, this is Spencer. Like, this is who he's been all along. But it shed this, like, new light to make it work. Do you know what I mean? What I mean is it's not like now all of a sudden you are trying to be liked. You're still the same dude that you're.
- [35:52]
Jade Iovine
Just, you know, well, thank God, like my actual demo before even the like house burned down. The people that were like, really getting behind me on TikTok, because pre fire, like, they did get me to almost. I was at 9:97, which with no algorithm, you know, almost a million with like not being pushed, not doing anything. Right, right. The younger people that now watch the Hills back without the like monoculture polarization. Like media manipulation. They see the Hills is like, Spencer loves Heidi. He says whatever the he wants. And why is this friend being a hater?
- [36:32]
Spencer Pratt
Like, right?
- [36:33]
Jade Iovine
They aren't caught. They're not like, oh, Us Weekly hitting them with five posts and people and all these stories in public. So they just watch the Hills and they're like, I love Spencer, like what? Who?
- [36:43]
Spencer Pratt
Yeah.
- [36:44]
Jade Iovine
Who's this? B I T C H. You know like for real. Yeah, you respect, you know.
- [36:49]
Spencer Pratt
But that's just what they're saying. So there's a resurrection of as we know like so many tiktokers and young people are watching all the old shows now. There's new girl rewatches and this rewatches so obviously hills rewatches and they.
- [37:03]
Jade Iovine
And they clip me. God bless. These people make the best edits that go viral. Like they'll be my like best not awful person clips with like good music and it's like gets 20 million views.
- [37:17]
Spencer Pratt
So it's like my best not awful person clips.
- [37:21]
Jade Iovine
Yeah. So they'll use those you not being awful and they'll have like music and then the whole comment section is just like love like it's just so incredible.
- [37:31]
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Spencer Pratt
Why did LC hate you? Can you just.
- [42:33]
Jade Iovine
She loved me. Actually like literally loved me. Like I'll say this on a lie detector with a bible. She loved me to the point where she'd be like, my dad would love you. He loved me. I talked Brody into breaking up with Nicole Richie to fake date Elsie and let Elsie have at the time the best looking Hollywood IT guy pretend to date her on her show. She watched me orchestrate this for her and like be the biggest teammate. I was the one that first ever called the paparazzi. So she got photographed for the first time in Hollywood even though she'd already been on a show for a whole season and Laguna beach, but it didn't transfer over. I was like the best teammate ever. But then Brody couldn't fake date Elsie anymore. He wanted started getting some real clout. He was out in the club scene, there was a lot of opportunities. And then once the fake dating ended and he wasn't down for that, she wanted her wing woman back. Heidi which no, I understand Heidi's like tried her best going out till 3am the final like end game was they didn't show this but like she made Heidi go out with her on Valentine's Day when we were official now boyfriend girlfriend this time till like wouldn't let her leave till like 4am they're having breakfast pizza together and she's like, I gotta go back see Spencer and like turned it into this big thing and like it just was like going too weirdo. You know what I mean? Like, and so then once that happened, she was like, I don't want Heidi on the show anymore. And that was like she thought that scene with Heidi getting in the U haul and leaving that she thought she got Heidi off the show. That's what people don't get that was her saying, bye, bitch, you're off my show.
- [44:17]
Spencer Pratt
And thank God, because you won't be my wing woman.
- [44:20]
Jade Iovine
Thank God for Tony DeSanto. He was the President MTV. Because Adam Deville, who's the creator, was like, yeah, she doesn't want Heidi on the show anymore. And he literally said, she doesn't have to be on the show anymore. About LC like, they were fine with, like, you're not going to tell us who. So once that happened and LC saw that she wasn't the main focus of her own show, that was when she made these producers, Adam deville and them, the deal was, you better make them look like the worst people on the earth, which we are aware of. But they're at that point paying so much, like, you'd be stupid not to like go along with it. So that's what happened. And it's all. It's like, if I could probably got a calendar, I could probably do months if I want to do like, you know, like. So. And then we went along with the actual, you know what? That actually did exist. That was on tmz. Before I ever said anything, Perez reached out to me and he was my boy. And he's like, is this true?
- [45:20]
Spencer Pratt
Asking, wait, what's the actual. You know what?
- [45:22]
Jade Iovine
I don't even want to be in a clip talking about this still. But it's like people that know in your podcast will know and the people that don't, they don't need to know. And then so Perez hits me up and he's like, is this true? I'm like, yeah, it's true. Like, this is out. He's out there doing this guy's coked out, out of his mind trying to slang this and trying to cause. And then once the parents all had a powwow back in Laguna and they pulled this whole. That got him into rehab or got him some more coke or whatever and like chilled him out. Next thing you know, I'm the, the, like the scapegoat. And then they give me $120,000 to do a fake phone call with a producer like, you know, who's on the other line. And I'm like, y'all do it, you know, like it's one hundred twenty thousand dollar phone call, like I don't care. But then they make this big thing and then it's like, you know what you did? It's like, now you know what you did, you pathological sicko liar. Like, burn down somebody else to cover your own little. Which it wasn't even a big deal. Something like, even came out moral up. So that was when it went like, super hated on the show. Like, how could she have done that? It's like, she didn't.
- [46:28]
Spencer Pratt
She didn't. Do you have any regrets from the show aside from kind of what we talked about?
- [46:33]
Jade Iovine
Yeah.
- [46:34]
Spencer Pratt
Family members.
- [46:35]
Jade Iovine
Yeah. I should have never filmed with a family member. I should have one scene Heidi's parents. I should have never done one see myself. Never film with a family member. Unless you're a Kardashian and you're making $1 billion and that's like, then I can. Courtney can call me whatever she wants, you know.
- [46:53]
Spencer Pratt
Would you let your kids, your cute boys be on reality tv?
- [46:57]
Jade Iovine
No, because there's not enough money. Like, my son wants to be like a YouTube, like, animal person. He loves the wild Krat. So, like, he could definitely be like a zoologist with his, like, content. Like, the idea of reality to me is all is multipurpose content. Like, I do would love my kids to be able to be content creators no matter what they're going to do in their careers. Like, you still, even top CEOs have to be doing content now. They have to do.
- [47:28]
Spencer Pratt
Your dentist is doing content.
- [47:32]
Jade Iovine
Oh, yes. I would like him to be a reality star of life. So, like, he's on to Live and I'm watching him engage with the audience, like, with me, obviously, and answering. And I'm like, he's so good at like. Like this kid's 7 years old and he's like, articulating responses to Q&As. Like, this is.
- [47:52]
Spencer Pratt
Wait, you have two boys?
- [47:54]
Jade Iovine
Yeah.
- [47:54]
Spencer Pratt
And the, the age difference is like, what, five years, right?
- [47:57]
Jade Iovine
A seven year old and a two and a half year old.
- [48:00]
Spencer Pratt
How's that? Mine is similar. So I was wondering. Mine is five and ten months.
- [48:05]
Jade Iovine
Two and a half year old is the hardest. Here's when I believe in God.
- [48:09]
Spencer Pratt
I'll tell you when he goes. When he goes to sleep.
- [48:12]
Jade Iovine
Nap time. Nap time. For real. Like Mondays, I sat there with Heidi being pregnant, all my crystals and I sat there touching her. So I'm making all. I'd be like, God, please put the most super power human that's like an alien in her bell. Like, careful what you say, you know, this kid is wild. Oh my God. And I'm like, what did I create? Like, what did I pray for?
- [48:40]
Spencer Pratt
Wait, Gunner was really different.
- [48:42]
Jade Iovine
Like, so chill, so thousand. I mean, I'm not saying if our second child was like our first, if there would be a second Child.
- [48:49]
Spencer Pratt
He wouldn't have us.
- [48:51]
Jade Iovine
We were like, this is.
- [48:52]
Spencer Pratt
But you're not the. I think. I think this is a thing. I think this is a thing. Like, it's a pattern.
- [48:58]
Jade Iovine
It's crazy. So.
- [48:59]
Spencer Pratt
And two boys.
- [49:00]
Jade Iovine
Yeah. No, it's. It's. It's a lot.
- [49:03]
Spencer Pratt
Do you guys want more?
- [49:04]
Jade Iovine
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We are good. They're good.
- [49:09]
Spencer Pratt
Really? Heidi doesn't say, like, oh, I want.
- [49:11]
Jade Iovine
To grow until the second one. And she's like. Literally, though, she was always like, wait, like, not even. We're gonna be lucky to survive this second.
- [49:22]
Spencer Pratt
No, no. I love you.
- [49:24]
Jade Iovine
I'm not kidding.
- [49:24]
Spencer Pratt
Thank you for that in the face.
- [49:27]
Jade Iovine
And just, like, you're like, what? Hey, what. What are you doing? Like, it's so gnarly.
- [49:36]
Spencer Pratt
Does he do that to Gunner as well?
- [49:38]
Jade Iovine
Like, it's just pair. Like. Like, he'll just try to break out, start trying to run down the street. Thankfully, it's to a Mexican restaurant. So he's like, I know it's my kid. Same DNA. But he'll be like. Like this. He's so. And I was nuts and be like, mean. But it's all wild.
- [49:56]
Amanda Hirsch
It wild, wild, wild.
- [49:58]
Spencer Pratt
Were you like that as a kid? Like, are your parents, like, you're living? I think you're living.
- [50:02]
Jade Iovine
No, my parents are like, what the. Heidi's parents actually say Reich is very similar to Heidi.
- [50:08]
Spencer Pratt
Oh, wow.
- [50:11]
Jade Iovine
Which I'm like, whoa. Wait.
- [50:12]
Spencer Pratt
And you guys are in Santa Barbara right now, right? And that's your.
- [50:15]
Jade Iovine
Yeah. Your grandparents renting it so they can have money for their apartment. It's so twisted because it was there.
- [50:22]
Spencer Pratt
Renting it from my parents.
- [50:24]
Jade Iovine
We're literally having to. It's crazy. It's like, it's a Crazy for free.
- [50:30]
Spencer Pratt
Yeah, I remember that you were on some, like, lazy boy chair, yelling at us, being like. Because people were probably like, where are you? Looks nice or something. There was one. So a lot of people were supportive during this time, as we know. Was the first person Flava Flav that, like, did the.
- [50:46]
Jade Iovine
Like, was he the first one that, like, hit that. I'll love her forever. Is that Em Rada?
- [50:52]
Spencer Pratt
Truly, that one hit, really?
- [50:54]
Jade Iovine
She did one that.
- [50:55]
Spencer Pratt
She was one of the first.
- [50:56]
Jade Iovine
One of the first. And she posted like, okay, this is it. The sound of the apocalypse was the writing or whatever. And it was like, once she did it, it was like every influencer.
- [51:07]
Spencer Pratt
Did you talk to her?
- [51:09]
Jade Iovine
No, I don't know her.
- [51:10]
Spencer Pratt
But did you DM or something?
- [51:12]
Jade Iovine
Sure. I was DMing 5 million people a day. Like, I was also DMing people. Like, when are you posting? Like, daddy, we know.
- [51:18]
Spencer Pratt
When are you posting? Yeah, that happened with Alex Cooper. What? Why did you get caught on her so hard, specifically, and not, like, I don't know, a different celebrity? Okay, I'm wondering.
- [51:32]
Jade Iovine
Well, that's just because I. I definitely would like to clear this up. When Alex Cooper first move out to LA first Heidi was one of her first podcasts out here. Support it, blah, blah, blah, tidy. Told everything she could ever try to. Boom. I went on her podcast. I let her do the little skit where she just bashes me that nobody actually watched. So just looks, went along with it, pumped it up. When she started doing merch, she'd send us merch. We wore it all day long on Snapchat. Tag big. Like, big teammates. Okay. Right. Right when it's going off and everybody with any following that I know, I'm texting. I don't want to misquote the text, but it was like, hey, like, got so much going on. But, like, I will whatever. It was like, okay, so I'll just wait for this. It hadn't happened. I'm like, oh, everybody still need the daddy Gang. Like, who. I felt like I was always, you know, people come up. I felt part of these Daddy gang people. I'm like, I think your audience. We're daddy Gang. Like, okay. So then I text her husband, who I know from growing up with him. I'm like, hey, following up. He's like, she's gonna do it. And it's like, not happening. Then people start messaging me, not even knowing this is going on. Like, where's Alex Goober's post? And they're getting me fired up because I haven't slept in days. Now I'm just living off of tequila and caffeine. And so, you know, the comment section can get me worked up. And then somebody's very triggering. I don't know, a bunch of people. Like, she just reposted your guys episode on YouTube as like, like, as like the weekly. And you know, so I'm like, oh, dang. Like, we're cool.
- [53:13]
Spencer Pratt
She did like. She did like a flashback, like a TBT moment, like, post.
- [53:18]
Jade Iovine
It was like, put it back in the. Like, as the new episode. Oh, wow.
- [53:23]
Spencer Pratt
During the fire.
- [53:25]
Jade Iovine
So we're. So we're. We're getting adsense off of my house burning down, but we can't do a tick tock sound. So.
- [53:32]
Amanda Hirsch
Got you.
- [53:33]
Jade Iovine
Then obviously, you know, obviously I made tick tocks and because she did a different song. And then by the time she did it, I didn't even see it because it was some slowed down version.
- [53:43]
Spencer Pratt
And, you know, so she ended up doing it.
- [53:45]
Jade Iovine
Ended up doing it eight tick tocks after. It was, you know. You know. But if I could go back in time after pulling up on her at a. At a restaurant, which she was not very happy about. And I did it.
- [53:58]
Spencer Pratt
You did?
- [53:58]
Jade Iovine
Yes. And I said, I'm sorry. I was so emotional. You know, I probably could have handled it better, but I was like, let's be clear. My house just burned down. My parents house burned down. So I wasn't like, I did enough text that I felt like I'm on. I'm on the plank here. Like, you know, my personality enough to. Where it's like, you better send a new, like, white flag text before this is going. You. It's very clear how I am online right now in this manic state, so I'm not surprised I went that way. If I could go back, I probably would have, you know, been night. I would have done the same thing, but I would have, like, tried to explain my emotions better and articulated it.
- [54:40]
Spencer Pratt
What did she say at the restaurant?
- [54:42]
Amanda Hirsch
Did she accept your apology?
- [54:43]
Jade Iovine
I guess, you know, I mean, I'm pretty. Pretty intense. I don't know.
- [54:49]
Spencer Pratt
You don't know what she said back?
- [54:51]
Jade Iovine
She just said it and right now to like, not texting me to hang out. But we then saw her at dinner that night, and then Heidi went and like, sat with her and they were. I guess they cried and so Heidi and her are definitely cool. But Heidi never posted, so there shouldn't have been like a. You know, I'm cool too, with her, but I'm just saying I didn't get sent, like an unwell, like, hydration drink package or anything.
- [55:14]
Spencer Pratt
Do you want it?
- [55:16]
Amanda Hirsch
Do you want it?
- [55:18]
Spencer Pratt
Do you want it?
- [55:19]
Jade Iovine
You know, I'm pretty hydrated. I'm pretty hydrated.
- [55:22]
Spencer Pratt
Okay, you're not on the list. You're not on the list.
- [55:24]
Jade Iovine
I definitely got taken off the PR list.
- [55:27]
Spencer Pratt
You are doing reality again, which is so exciting. Can you do the timeline for us for a second? So the new reality show. Got to get out on Hulu. Did you film this pre.
- [55:39]
Jade Iovine
Yes, I did. Which was.
- [55:41]
Spencer Pratt
Okay.
- [55:41]
Jade Iovine
Yeah, I did. What, five years ago? Was it two years ago?
- [55:46]
Spencer Pratt
Five. Did you really think it was five years ago?
- [55:49]
Jade Iovine
My timeline. It feels like five years, you know, like a lot's happened since Friday. My. I'm living in a very strange matrix now. I am convinced dead like, and I'm just in this, like, weird purgatory where, like, my hand goes into heaven. I'm like, heidi's a Bobster. And I'm like, hand calls my mom, who's crying like, your house burned out. And then I'm like, oh, I'm on a TV show. So very strange existence.
- [56:13]
Spencer Pratt
Are you doing, like, therapy on TikTok? Oh, my God. Okay, guys, so got to get out. So many different faces there. There's Kim Zolczyk, right?
- [56:27]
Jade Iovine
Zoziak.
- [56:28]
Spencer Pratt
Zolciak. I'm so bad at saying.
- [56:30]
Jade Iovine
I mean, I could have made that up. I. I've heard Zoziak. It could be Zocheck.
- [56:34]
Spencer Pratt
You know, I'm adding a flair. You guys in the. In the. In the trailer seem to, like, team up.
- [56:41]
Jade Iovine
I mean, I was like, whoever I thought I could get the million dollars with, you know, I played, you know, the best game I could. Looking back, you know, I should have just gone to war with everybody.
- [56:52]
Spencer Pratt
Oh, yeah? Why? You feel like you didn't go hard enough?
- [56:55]
Jade Iovine
I feel like every time after I watch Reaction, I wish, you know, just, like, hype go harder, which is my aunt. I wish I had gone harder always, you know, because saying what, you also see what people say. Like, I just saw a sneak peek, and Omarosa called me the weirdest person on reality tv, and I'm like, you're way weirder than me. I wish you had that to my face, you know? So, like, these people are saying, she call you.
- [57:21]
Spencer Pratt
Not to me, she calls you diabolical.
- [57:24]
Amanda Hirsch
Now she.
- [57:25]
Jade Iovine
But she also. And I have a screener, and she calls me the weirdest person on television. I'm, like, weirdest. Like, I'm not. Not weird at all. Very normal.
- [57:35]
Spencer Pratt
I love how. You know what's funny about you, though? I feel like diabolical doesn't offend you, but weirdest person offends you. Am I correct?
- [57:43]
Jade Iovine
Yeah. I mean, one's my brand, and one I'm down and out. Weird.
- [57:49]
Spencer Pratt
So, you guys, Spencer is on a new reality show. It's called Got to Get Out. It's on Hulu. Bunch of celebs and normies, right? How are the normies? Who'd you vibe more with? With the celebs or with the, like.
- [58:00]
Jade Iovine
Firefighter to the show? Hulu. Shout out. Hulu Disney, abc. Love them.
- [58:04]
Spencer Pratt
Shout out. Shout out.
- [58:06]
Jade Iovine
They call them reality rookies. I like to call them civilians. So the civilians were lovely. I. I enjoyed the civilians maybe more than the. The reality royalty or whatever Hulu is calling Them because they have that hunger that I love to be around of. Like, I'm gonna make it. This show's gonna make me famous. And it's like, yeah, me too. Yeah, let's do it. You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the naive, like, like, I love that energy, the delusion, right?
- [58:43]
Amanda Hirsch
Yeah.
- [58:43]
Spencer Pratt
But it probably feels so different. Like, when you filmed it, you were kind of like a different version of yourself, you know? You know, and now. But it is kind of also nice because if you filmed it after, people probably would have treated you differently. You know what I mean?
- [58:59]
Jade Iovine
People didn't even know who I was. They were like, sagging the screener. She's like, oh, I knew I looked familiar. I thought he was a child star. I'm like, like Macaulay Culkin. Like, what are you talking about?
- [59:09]
Spencer Pratt
Like, you do give child star, but it's a good moment. Again, all these things like, you know, Heidi's music, your show coming out. Like, I just feel like this is gonna lead. One thing is gonna kind of lead to the next. Everybody can kind of see you going on another reality show after Like Traders.
- [59:28]
Jade Iovine
Well, if abc, Hulu, Disney buys, NBC Universal, I would love to be involved in any new projects in the future.
- [59:39]
Spencer Pratt
We're Hulu. We're a Hulu fam. I love it.
- [59:42]
Jade Iovine
So I look forward to on that project.
- [59:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Maybe there's going to be, you know.
- [59:48]
Spencer Pratt
You guys, I'm going to take a.
- [59:49]
Amanda Hirsch
Wild guess right now on this podcast and you fucking remember it, but I'm.
- [59:54]
Spencer Pratt
Saying there's gonna be. And if not, I'm manifesting it. A Pratt reality show. A Pratt fam reality show about rebuilding their lives and Heidi skyrocketing into pop stardom. Spencer being Spencer, the kids. Now we know there's craziness happening and.
- [60:20]
Amanda Hirsch
It'S going to be on Hulu.
- [60:21]
Jade Iovine
Can we clip that audio also for.
- [60:23]
Spencer Pratt
My fucking clip it. You guys fucking clip it. Spencer, thank you so much. I adore you. I think you're amazing. I am so happy for you and your family getting this moment after that moment, you know? And I hope that everything just keeps on getting better, that you can help your parents, that you can find your next home and that you guys keep.
- [60:45]
Amanda Hirsch
Keep on keeping on those moments.
- [60:47]
Jade Iovine
I don't like those real moments. Hit me too hard. Hang up before I start crying. I gotta go. Keep this going here. Thank you for that.
- [60:55]
Spencer Pratt
Keep it going.
- [60:56]
Jade Iovine
Bye.
- [60:57]
Amanda Hirsch
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