THE RETURN OF TOM SANDOVAL - Not Skinny But Not Fat

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Podcast Summary: Not Skinny But Not Fat – Episode: THE RETURN OF TOM SANDOVAL

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Tom Sandoval
Release Date: March 11, 2025

Introduction

In the episode titled "THE RETURN OF TOM SANDOVAL", host Amanda Hirsch welcomes back listeners to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. Amanda shares personal anecdotes about her recent battle with the flu, highlighting the challenges of dealing with illness in a household with children. She humorously contrasts her experience with the societal stigma that surrounded sickness during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Introducing Tom Sandoval

At [07:03], Amanda introduces her special guest, Tom Sandoval, a familiar face from reality TV shows like Vanderpump Rules and the recently aired Scandal. Amanda expresses her excitement about having Tom back on the podcast, emphasizing the significance of his return after a period of being perceived as an outcast within the industry.

Notable Quote:
"It feels like he's being celebrated again after being a pariah, and that’s something really special." — Amanda Hirsch [07:03]

Reflecting on Past Experiences

Tom delves into his experiences post-Vanderpump Rules, particularly his participation in the show Traders. He discusses how the challenges in Traders allowed him to reconnect with fans and reshape his public image.

Key Points:

Healing from Scandal: Tom reflects on the emotional toll of past scandals and emphasizes his focus on personal growth and prioritizing what truly matters in life.

Notable Quote:
"I have a much clearer focus on what’s important now. It’s like a double-edged sword being in the public eye." — Tom Sandoval [11:03]
Friendships and Relationships: He touches upon his relationships with former cast members, notably Sheena, and how the fallout from the show affected these bonds.

Notable Quote:
"We don’t hang out as much because we’re in different stages of our lives, but we still talk." — Tom Sandoval [18:10]

Current Endeavors and Future Plans

Tom shares insights into his current life, including his living situation and ongoing projects. He discusses the complexities of co-owning a house while navigating public perceptions and the challenges of selling a property with a notorious history.

Key Points:

Living Arrangements: Tom explains the logistical efforts involved in selling his house, which holds a significant place in reality TV lore.

Notable Quote:
"We’ve been repainted and staged it to be market-ready. It’s a great location, so hopefully, the history won’t deter buyers." — Tom Sandoval [15:40]
Participation in Traders: He recounts his experience on Traders, highlighting strategic moves and the intense competition that ultimately led to his departure from the show.

Notable Quote:
"I wanted to be transparent and straightforward. Looking back, I probably should have held back more." — Tom Sandoval [47:07]

Challenges Faced on Reality TV

The conversation deepens as Tom discusses the psychological and strategic challenges he faced while participating in Traders. He reflects on moments where his outspoken nature may have influenced his fate on the show.

Key Points:

Strategic Gameplay: Tom admits that his vocal stance against certain participants might have led to his eventual "murder" in the game's context.

Notable Quote:
"I was too vocal about my suspicions, and in hindsight, it might have been my downfall." — Tom Sandoval [55:17]
Fan Reactions and Public Perception: He addresses the mixed reactions from fans, acknowledging both the support and the intense scrutiny he faces.

Notable Quote:
"Whether they’re laughing with me or at me, as long as they're engaged, I'm happy." — Tom Sandoval [37:04]

Navigating Public Life and Personal Growth

Tom candidly discusses the impact of reality TV fame on his personal life, including friendships, mental health, and future aspirations.

Key Points:

Resilience and Thick Skin: He emphasizes the importance of developing resilience to handle public criticism and maintaining personal relationships amidst the chaos of reality TV.

Notable Quote:
"Going through that experience really tested my resilience and taught me to prioritize what's important." — Tom Sandoval [11:57]
Future Projects: Tom reveals his openness to future reality TV ventures and other business endeavors, hinting at potential new projects that align with his interests.

Notable Quote:
"I’ve talked to Johnny Bananas about possibly doing another challenge. I’m open to whatever feels right." — Tom Sandoval [66:57]

Conclusion

Amanda wraps up the insightful conversation by highlighting Tom's journey of self-discovery and resilience. She underscores the value of authentic connections and the ongoing evolution of Tom's public persona.

Notable Quote:
"Tom's journey is a testament to personal growth and the power of resilience in the face of public scrutiny." — Amanda Hirsch [72:37]

Key Takeaways

Personal Growth: Tom Sandoval has undergone significant personal growth post-reality TV scandals, focusing on what truly matters in his life.
Strategic Reflection: His participation in Traders provided valuable lessons in strategy, transparency, and the complexities of reality competition shows.
Future Endeavors: Tom remains open to future projects, balancing his passion for reality TV with personal and professional aspirations.
Resilience: Navigating public life has taught Tom the importance of resilience, maintaining personal relationships, and prioritizing mental health.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

"I have a much clearer focus on what’s important now. It’s like a double-edged sword being in the public eye." — Tom Sandoval [11:03]
"We don’t hang out as much because we’re in different stages of our lives, but we still talk." — Tom Sandoval [18:10]
"We’ve been repainted and staged it to be market-ready. It’s a great location, so hopefully, the history won’t deter buyers." — Tom Sandoval [15:40]
"I was too vocal about my suspicions, and in hindsight, it might have been my downfall." — Tom Sandoval [55:17]
"Whether they’re laughing with me or at me, as long as they're engaged, I'm happy." — Tom Sandoval [37:04]
"I’ve talked to Johnny Bananas about possibly doing another challenge. I’m open to whatever feels right." — Tom Sandoval [66:57]

This episode offers an in-depth look into Tom Sandoval's life after reality TV, his reflections on past experiences, and his outlook on future endeavors. It's a compelling listen for fans eager to understand the person behind the public persona.

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[00:00]
Tom Sandoval
The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
[00:03]
Amanda Hirsch
Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, guys. Happy Tuesday. I just came back from a workout out, actually, and my trainer said to me at the end, see you next Tuesday. It's like, good one. It's been two weeks since I got flu B. It's so funny that there are people out there that don't know there are two strains of A and B. And I feel like maybe it's only people with kids that know it, because if you're just a regular human, then you will be like, oh, I have the flu. If you're a household with kids, then you're like, I know that if I have flu A, we're still fucking could get flu B. Like, this means nothing. And that's what happened in my house. Like, we. Noah got flu A, a few months ago. He was out of it. Like, completely, by the way. Just out of it. Like, this flu is killer this year. And then B, my whole house got. You guys know this. Except for Husb, who I don't want to jinx, but, like, could basically kind of jinx because it's been that long already. But I'm telling you guys, I've never felt, like, ashamed of being sick. Do you remember in Covid how it was, like, embarrassing? Like, people would be like, why is she wearing a mask? Or like, somebody just coughed and you felt like a social pariah. It's the same with the flu now. Like, I'm so nervous. I still have a lingering cough. And, like, if I'm next to people and I have a call, I'm like, no, I had a flu two weeks ago. Like, don't worry. Anyway, we talked about husband not getting it. It's so funny that he literally said to me the other day, I probably got it. I just, like, wasn't dramatic about it. It's like, okay. Yes. Another wild thing he said to me was when I was like, oh, my God, what a week. Like, you know, it was so hard for me. I was sick and the kids were sick. He was like, I know. Like, so hard. And I'm like, yeah.
[02:10]
Unknown
Yes.
[02:11]
Amanda Hirsch
And he was like, yeah, well, it was harder for me when you're sick, which I guess makes sense. But it also, you know, moms know, like, what do we allow ourselves to be out of commission for, like, maybe I allowed myself, like, two days, you know, anyway. I mean, I guess he still took the reins for, like, two days. A lot's going on, you guys. We did talk about February being, like, a TV month. Good shows are back. Running point with Kate Hudson obsessed with her. Love it. We have the new Megan Markle show. Sorry, Megan Sussex. Do not fucking get that twisted, by the way. A lot of people were hating and saying, like, you know, that's not our last name. Apparently it is. I mean, I'm not gonna even say, apparently it is her and Harry. Change it to Sussex. The kids are Sussex. So it's official. I think the.
[03:01]
Unknown
The. The.
[03:01]
Amanda Hirsch
The point of contention was that in the show, Mindy Kaling comes on who's so funny, and she tried to make a funny little comment about people don't know that Megan Markle could fucking down a Jack in the box. Like, she tried to make it relatable, and she was just like, it's so funny that, like, you're calling me Megan Markle. Like, that's not my name anymore. It's silly goose. It's Sussex. And Megan was like, I. And Mindy was like, okay, Sussex, like, you ate Jack in the box. And I think, like, I mean, I didn't change my name. I still am H, which is my. My. My name. But let's say that I did change it to my husband's last name, and somebody still called me Amanda H. I wouldn't be like. Like, I think I've been around a lot of people that change their names, and, like, you know, that it. You know, there's kind of like a buffer zone of, like, okay, a doctor's appointments. They'll use the right name, but maybe people from high school won't or whatever. It's just like, a point where you're like, megan. No, Megan.
[03:58]
Unknown
No.
[04:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Just in general, you guys. I don't know if it's because I've been out of it, but I've just been getting the ick from the industry lately. Just, like, everything seems so fake and so unoriginal lately. But again, could be that I'm, like, projecting, but I'll just watch, like, talk shows, and, like, I'll be like, the host is fake. The guest is fake. Like, it's just the ick I'm getting from both sides, and, like, they both hate each other. I don't know. And then, like, just not original. Like, I just miss. I miss the old days where, like, people were original and, like, Dressed different than each other and sounded different than each other and looked different than each other and had different things going on and different interests, and everybody was doing kind of a different thing. I don't know. It just feels like a lot of the same, you know, and it's kind of tiring me, honestly. There was a rumor, by the way, a couple weeks ago that Mason Disick has a one year old. And everyone's, like, asking me what I think, and immediately I was like, there's no fucking way. Like, no. This is so made up. Also, like, people believing that was his Instagram account. Courtney came out and said that that's not true. Actually feel really bad for Mason. He was like, he's. He's like a teenager. Like, he was going to school. People were asking him about it. Like, could you imagine how mortifying? And I think what made people kind of think it might be true is, like, the drama with Alabama Barker, but. But, like, I think they live in the same house, but I don't think Alabama Barker is. Same vibes as, like, Mason Disick. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like she's doing her own thing. She has her own path. And I honestly don't think it. It, like, affects Courtney. Like, I don't think people are like, kourtney Kardashian's stepdaughter is, like, in this drama with Bad Baby or whatever her name is.
[05:44]
Unknown
Bad.
[05:45]
Amanda Hirsch
What's her name?
[05:46]
Unknown
Bad Barbie.
[05:47]
Amanda Hirsch
No, I can't. I remember when Bad Barbie was on motherfucking Dr. Phil. Cash me outside. How about that? Yeah, she's rolling in $70 million, you guys. That's what's happening anyway. No, you can't get sick through a microphone. Don't worry, bitches. Today's episode, everybody. I can't believe it. I literally can't believe it, you guys. It's the one, the only. I mean, I feel like I should give more of a promo, but, you guys, it's been a long time coming. I would have actually wanted to talk to this guy a while ago, but he. You know, nobody would have wanted to hear him because he was a pariah of society, an outcast. I mean, if people could send him to the electric chair for. For cheating, they would have. And he made the most genius move of his career, maybe not even knowing that it would be. And when on Traders, where it's just a reality show, like competition game that everyone's obsessed with, by the way, and it doesn't have anything to do with your past. Your. Your. Your Your drama, it only has to do with playing the game. And the way he played the game was so funny and so serious and he kind of made a comeback where people weren't talking about the old shit that he did.
[07:03]
Unknown
That's now two years old, by the way.
[07:05]
Amanda Hirsch
So, yes, it's been two years since Scandal and Tom Sandoval is actually getting love on this season of Traitors. People are enjoying him. People enjoyed him.
[07:16]
Unknown
People were upset that he got killed.
[07:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Sorry, spoiler alert. And people are like, kind of not bringing up the scandal of it all anymore and are just excited to see him being a fucking doofus on screen sometimes and, you know, being ridiculous, which if you think about it, he kind of always was. So he's here today. Tom Sandoval. We talk about it all. You know, just looking back at Scandal, if his perspective has changed. His new girlfriend. Traders, you know, all this inside. Inside baseball traders stuff that I was really interested in, That's Sandoval. You guys can sand them all.
[07:56]
Tom Sandoval
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. No, it's from old school Sesame street. This old, like, jazzy song. Like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
[08:12]
Unknown
I remember it.
[08:13]
Tom Sandoval
You remember?
[08:15]
Unknown
Yeah, I only know brush, brushy brush, brush, brush, brushy brush. Elmo does that. It's a great for kids. If you need to get your kids to brush your teeth. Yeah, the Brushy Brush song. Remember it forever. Tom Sandoval is here, everybody. Craig Cray. Sandy is what I call you sometimes.
[08:32]
Tom Sandoval
I. I love that Sandy is on my backpack.
[08:35]
Unknown
Really?
[08:35]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[08:36]
Unknown
You got it, like, stitched.
[08:39]
Tom Sandoval
It's like a. What is it?
[08:41]
Unknown
Tony Clover. Oh, two. Oh, it's a Tumi luggage with Sandy.
[08:45]
Tom Sandoval
I love.
[08:45]
Unknown
I used to call you Sandy all the time.
[08:47]
Tom Sandoval
Love that.
[08:48]
Unknown
Yeah.
[08:48]
Tom Sandoval
I appreciate that.
[08:49]
Unknown
Do other people call you that?
[08:50]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[08:51]
Unknown
Okay. Not just me, then.
[08:52]
Tom Sandoval
Schwartz calls me Sandy.
[08:53]
Unknown
Oh, he does call. Well, I guess SCHW Schwartz and Sandy's rip.
[08:57]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[08:58]
Unknown
How's that feeling for you?
[09:00]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, you know, it is what it is. It's a learning process. And yeah, it had. It had. Had its time.
[09:09]
Unknown
Do you ever see yourself going so hard like you did on that place again? Like the same kind of.
[09:15]
Tom Sandoval
I think that. Yeah. I don't know if I'm like, I'm. I'm ready for a different kind of business venture.
[09:22]
Unknown
Yeah. Not a restaurant.
[09:24]
Tom Sandoval
Just not for the time being.
[09:26]
Unknown
Not for the time being.
[09:27]
Tom Sandoval
I. I think both collectively, Schwartz and I have like a bat. Like, we just have a. You Know, bad taste in our mouth.
[09:35]
Unknown
For that from, from that business. I mean, it's a hard biz.
[09:37]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, it is.
[09:38]
Unknown
It's been two years since Scandival.
[09:41]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[09:42]
Unknown
Like, I think it was like the anniversary of it a few days ago.
[09:45]
Tom Sandoval
How does it, does it feel like happy anniversary? Oh, God.
[09:49]
Unknown
Does it feel like two years? Does it feel longer?
[09:51]
Tom Sandoval
It feels shorter.
[09:53]
Unknown
Really?
[09:53]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, it does.
[09:54]
Unknown
Like, and what, How? Tell me.
[09:56]
Tom Sandoval
It just feels like so much has happened since then. Like, I feel like I've like, just so much life has happened that it really feels like a long time.
[10:07]
Unknown
Are you, have you healed from it? Like, you, obviously, we know everything that happened. You were, went through a lot with it. We all saw it.
[10:16]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[10:17]
Unknown
Do you feel like it's in the past in terms of all of that? Like, I mean, are you still suffering the, just like internally for you? I mean.
[10:26]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I mean, I, I do feel like it's in the past, but obviously, you know, everybody, like, I hope everybody else considers it in the past too, you know.
[10:38]
Unknown
Do you look at it like one of those things in life where it's. No, I'm glad it happened.
[10:43]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, that's an optimistic way of looking at it.
[10:45]
Unknown
Yeah. There are people that say everything happens for a reason. It brought you to where you are today. Whatever.
[10:50]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, yes, I can look at it that way. You know, it, it brought me to where I am today. But yeah, I'm glad it's in the past. Glad to be where I'm at right here today doing your podcast.
[11:03]
Unknown
Thank you for coming.
[11:04]
Tom Sandoval
I'm glad to be here than for having me of.
[11:07]
Unknown
Yeah, I, I, I like where you are now. So I do want to talk about it, but just to put the mark on the, on the scandal thing, Anything now, two years later that you have a different perspective on than, you know, things that you've talked about in the past or that has changed in hindsight or that, you know, anything like that.
[11:29]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I mean, of course hindsight's always 20 20. I think that it really, you know, when you go through something like that, it really shows you like, who your real friends are. And I definitely have more of a focus on what's more important in my life. It definitely puts in the full perspective, you know, being on a reality show and being, being in the public light, like how much it is a double edged sword. Yeah, a real double edged sword.
[11:57]
Unknown
Yeah.
[11:58]
Tom Sandoval
And just really testing your resilience in a situation like that, you know, it really has.
[12:04]
Unknown
Yeah.
[12:05]
Tom Sandoval
And it, you, you inevitably have to develop thick Skin.
[12:11]
Unknown
So your skin is thicker now. Yeah, it is like now. Now it's like, what could they say about you that would hurt your feelings?
[12:19]
Tom Sandoval
They've said it all. Yeah. I mean, really the only thing, like, I mean, not the only thing, but, you know my girlfriend Victoria, I mean, she deals with a lot.
[12:31]
Unknown
Yeah.
[12:31]
Tom Sandoval
And I love her for that many other reasons, but she does deal with a lot. And people like online. Yeah. People constantly like DMing her made up shits. Sometimes like made up trying to come between you. Yeah. And just. And just saying. Just in general. Like, just saying negative things. And I'm like, can you guys just leave my girlfriend alone? Like she didn't sign up for this.
[13:02]
Unknown
Yeah.
[13:03]
Tom Sandoval
In a sense of like, she's not on a reality show.
[13:05]
Unknown
Right.
[13:06]
Tom Sandoval
You know what I mean?
[13:06]
Unknown
Does she want to be like front facing?
[13:10]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, she's very protective.
[13:11]
Unknown
Yeah.
[13:12]
Tom Sandoval
And I love that about her. And she, you know.
[13:15]
Unknown
Wait, how did you meet?
[13:16]
Tom Sandoval
We met through a friend. Like, who.
[13:20]
Unknown
When you were in the thick of it.
[13:21]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[13:23]
Unknown
And she knew everything that was going on.
[13:25]
Tom Sandoval
She didn't. She didn't know how. I mean, there are people out there that don't watch Vanderpump Rules.
[13:31]
Unknown
Right.
[13:31]
Tom Sandoval
You know?
[13:32]
Unknown
Yeah.
[13:32]
Tom Sandoval
There are people out.
[13:33]
Unknown
I know. But it became CNN at the time.
[13:35]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I honestly, I don't like. I'm not very good with pop culture. Like, I don't know going on. Like, I was on watch.
[13:43]
Unknown
We should have done that quiz. They. They quiz you on pop culture?
[13:46]
Tom Sandoval
Well, I mean, I was on watch what happens live and there's all these things going on with like Summer House and we're having to do these quizzes about. I. I just don't watch reality TV because I get enough of it. Just loving it and. Yeah. From being on Vanderpump Rules. So. Yeah.
[14:03]
Unknown
So you met through friends. She didn't know you were. She.
[14:06]
Tom Sandoval
She came to. She came to watch my band with a friend.
[14:11]
Unknown
Huh.
[14:11]
Tom Sandoval
And she was like, had a blast. I didn't even meet her that night because I had to leave town. We were actually filming. Not like really there much, but we were filming the next day at Cal Chan's, like Gold Bar release party or whatever. So I had to leave town and I ended up meeting her like months later.
[14:31]
Unknown
Oh, yeah. She's gorge. She's a model.
[14:36]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[14:37]
Unknown
And she's. How old is she?
[14:38]
Tom Sandoval
She's 32.
[14:39]
Unknown
Oh, okay. You guys are in it for the long. For the long haul. Like you think she's the one. Pop the question. Finger ring thing.
[14:48]
Tom Sandoval
She could Be. Yeah.
[14:50]
Unknown
Like, do you live together now?
[14:52]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, she has a place, like, with her dad and, you know.
[14:55]
Unknown
And you, where are you living?
[14:57]
Tom Sandoval
So I still, like, have the house and we've.
[15:01]
Unknown
Oh, you do?
[15:03]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[15:04]
Unknown
You're still halfsies on the house?
[15:05]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[15:06]
Unknown
Oh, I thought that was solved.
[15:07]
Tom Sandoval
Well, I mean, we're trying to get it on the market and it's just been a lot of work. Why both been busy? I don't know. Just because I kind of have to do everything.
[15:17]
Unknown
Oh, okay.
[15:18]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[15:19]
Unknown
Like, at this point, you just have to sell it and split it.
[15:22]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, get. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. But there's, like, there's work that goes into, like, a house. Like, I just had things repainted. Things have to be, like, put back. Like, there was work being done in the process, like in, there was work in progress that was happening that had to be, like, finished.
[15:40]
Unknown
So where are you at right now? Still work is being done on the house.
[15:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. But it's pretty much ready to go on the market.
[15:47]
Unknown
Okay. I wonder if it being the scandival house will get buyers, like, in marketing perspective, you know, we have to think marketing for this.
[15:57]
Tom Sandoval
I, I, I don't know. It's, it's a great house in a great location, so.
[16:02]
Unknown
And are you selling it at a good price? Are you trying to make money on it? Like, you're trying to make what?
[16:08]
Tom Sandoval
You know, it's like it's gone up in value. Since.
[16:11]
Unknown
It's gone up in value.
[16:12]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[16:13]
Unknown
So you're now living, like, in a rental situation.
[16:16]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I mean. Yeah.
[16:18]
Unknown
Yeah. Give us your address for the Bravo fans, you know.
[16:22]
Tom Sandoval
Great.
[16:23]
Unknown
Okay. Let's talk about where we're at now with Traders. You got on Traders.
[16:29]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[16:30]
Unknown
Which is, by the way, you did Special Forces for people that don't know.
[16:33]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[16:34]
Unknown
That didn't give you the kind of. It didn't really budge the situation, I would say.
[16:39]
Tom Sandoval
No. I mean, it was shortly thereafter, in fact, it was.
[16:43]
Unknown
Didn't you leave? You left?
[16:45]
Tom Sandoval
Like, I basically shot Special Forces and then I came back in town and went right into season 11 of Vanderpump Rules.
[16:55]
Unknown
Right, right. Which how was filming that season, by the way?
[16:59]
Tom Sandoval
Pretty much sucked.
[17:01]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was hard.
[17:03]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[17:04]
Unknown
So how do you feel about it being over Vanderpump?
[17:08]
Tom Sandoval
It was a little surprising considering how we left things, but it's been kind of a nice break.
[17:17]
Unknown
Yeah.
[17:18]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[17:18]
Unknown
But it's going to be a forever break.
[17:20]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, who knows?
[17:22]
Unknown
Okay. You're still leaving those doors open.
[17:25]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I think Everybody is.
[17:26]
Unknown
Oh, yeah.
[17:27]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, there's always options. And also with when it comes to like Bravo and people that have been on the network, like, there's never, you know, there's always like things that come back around.
[17:38]
Amanda Hirsch
Yes.
[17:39]
Unknown
And you would be open to those things.
[17:42]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[17:43]
Unknown
You would.
[17:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[17:45]
Unknown
Even after everything we talked about with reality TV being a double edged sword and, you know, but I've been through.
[17:50]
Tom Sandoval
The worst of it.
[17:51]
Unknown
Yeah.
[17:52]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[17:53]
Unknown
Filming that last season and it ending, a lot of people got, not just you. Like, Lala was in the thick of it. You know, she got a lot of. Because she was upset about the way it ended. Sheena got a lot of. Because she was crying over your friendship. By the way, are you friends now, you and Sheena?
[18:10]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I mean, we haven't, like, we don't hang out like a lot just because we're in different points in our life. I mean, she has, you know, summer and, you know, we're both just busy, but we do, we do talk.
[18:23]
Unknown
Yeah. She fudgeing put it on the line for you? Yeah. You know what I mean? She watching that as an audience, like, was shocking to see how important your friendship is to her that she was willing to kind of almost like lose that friendship. You know what I mean? Like, she seemed to care a lot about you.
[18:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[18:45]
Unknown
So pick up the phone, call Sheena.
[18:48]
Tom Sandoval
Okay. Yeah, like just in the other day.
[18:50]
Unknown
Oh, you did? Okay, good. And Lala.
[18:53]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I hit her up like about a week ago.
[18:55]
Unknown
Did you feel bad for her when you saw that she was getting kind of a lot of.
[19:00]
Tom Sandoval
I think what it comes down to a lot of times in like with our show and like, is when you don't sort of stand by like, and stick to something. Because I think where Sheena got a lot of was her having my back and then sort of like feeling backlash and then sort of being like, well, I kind of don't like. Or I do. Or I, you know, she's always kind of been on the fence and like, did you, did you pick up on that a little bit?
[19:29]
Unknown
Not really.
[19:30]
Tom Sandoval
You didn't?
[19:31]
Unknown
I didn't. I understand her. It would make sense for me for her to say, I'm choosing a side. Like, everybody had to. It was a situation. It was more shocking to me how much she was willing to say, wait, but my friendship with him is so important. You don't understand. And nobody understood. Everyone was like, why? Like, what? And she kept on giving examples how you've helped her in the past. So to me, it did look like she was, you know, putting a lot on the line, and I don't think it's the main reason they're not friends anymore, which it doesn't seem like they are, but I'm sure it's part of it. Like, that she. She put that out there, that she was like, no, I care about this friendship.
[20:11]
Tom Sandoval
You know, I'm not sure. I feel like I could be wrong.
[20:15]
Unknown
Yeah.
[20:15]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know, but I feel like. Because I. I remember hearing something like, well, like, production made us. Production made us type thing after the fact. You don't remember hearing about that?
[20:28]
Unknown
No. Where do you hear about these things? These are lores. Like Vanderpump.
[20:34]
Tom Sandoval
No.
[20:35]
Unknown
Production made Sheena be obsessed with being your friend again.
[20:39]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, not obsessed, but just like. Yeah, that's what she said. Oh, yeah.
[20:45]
Unknown
Oh, I didn't hear those whisperings. So you're saying that was the flippy floppy where it was like, she didn't stick to that. She said it wasn't really the situation. Okay, I didn't hear that. Yeah, I didn't. So that what, like, hurt your feelings that she didn't.
[20:59]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I don't know. I don't.
[21:01]
Unknown
I'm sure you're. How. Like, you. You said you learned who your friends were after that, right?
[21:07]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[21:08]
Unknown
So do you cut the ties with a lot? Like, few kept by.
[21:13]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I don't know if, like, it just. It just sort of happened. I mean, when you go through something like this, you know, rightly so. I put myself in the situation. I mean, and I could have never imagined. Imagine the backlash. I mean, I knew, like, to the. To the. To the level that it was. Yeah, but I mean, you just sort of get more introverted. You. You start to just.
[21:40]
Unknown
Less people.
[21:41]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. You're just like, I've really enjoyed my privacy.
[21:45]
Unknown
Was there any person at that time? Because, you know, everyone wanted a piece of this situation. Right. Everybody would put. If they met you once, they would be like, I met. You know, like, just everybody chimed in. Was there anybody. Which I'm sure at that point, you're like. Like, you roll your eyes, you're like, who cares? Was there anyone that. Especially if it was like, a random celeb or. I don't know if Rihanna said anything about it, but was there anybody that. It actually really got to you because it was like, someone that you really respected or someone you wouldn't expect to come out about.
[22:17]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, it. At the time, it all got to me. But, you know, I. I don't know. I mean, it's so much. I've sort of just. It's like, like you said or, you know, like we were just talking about, like, it's been a long time and I sort of just have really tried to just focus on moving on.
[22:37]
Unknown
Yeah.
[22:37]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[22:38]
Amanda Hirsch
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[24:26]
Unknown
Lot of you are like, you have a dog?
[24:28]
Amanda Hirsch
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[25:53]
Tom Sandoval
Oh, you are one decision away from a different life.
[25:56]
Amanda Hirsch
I know for a fact that it was her who sold this to the media.
[26:01]
Tom Sandoval
I'm willing to sacrifice anything in order to put love at the center of my life. I do explain to Mason how drinking affected me.
[26:09]
Amanda Hirsch
I think it breaks them so much more that you forgave them. Every week, I'll sit down with fascinating guests.
[26:15]
Tom Sandoval
I believe you're worthy of love and you deserve love.
[26:17]
Amanda Hirsch
It wasn't nearly as bad as what I went through emotionally with the pregnancy I had with my daughter. For real conversations, you remember when we.
[26:25]
Unknown
Wrestled, like straight up, crazy drunk wrestled?
[26:29]
Amanda Hirsch
That's how rumors get started.
[26:31]
Unknown
Was it helpful for people to come.
[26:32]
Tom Sandoval
In when you were with, like, your ex husband and be like, you should be with somebody better.
[26:36]
Amanda Hirsch
If people are broken, they have to fix themselves. This is a window into my world and the stories that make it meaningful. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. New episodes drop every Wednesday on X and on Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts. See you there. And we're back.
[26:54]
Unknown
So let's talk about how traders came up. So at what point do you. Do you get the offer? Do you have to audition for traders? Like, how does it work?
[27:00]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, it's a vigorous auditioning process. You have to, like, read a script and. I'm kidding.
[27:06]
Unknown
I'm kidding. No, I was like, what it came.
[27:08]
Tom Sandoval
About and I was so excited to do it. So excited to do.
[27:12]
Unknown
You were a fan of the show?
[27:14]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I've watched. Oh, you watched the previous seasons? Yeah.
[27:16]
Unknown
Okay, so you get the. They come to you. They're like, we want you to be on the season. You're like, I'm in.
[27:22]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[27:22]
Unknown
I'm packing my bags for Scotland.
[27:24]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[27:24]
Unknown
Did you think about it in this, like, strategic way? Like, this might help me. This won't be about that. This will be about just playing a game. Or were you just excited for a different kind of show?
[27:37]
Tom Sandoval
I think I was just more excited to be on the show.
[27:39]
Unknown
Yeah.
[27:40]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I was just more like, let's do this.
[27:43]
Unknown
Yeah.
[27:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[27:45]
Unknown
Did you. Do they tell you who the cast is going to be?
[27:47]
Tom Sandoval
No.
[27:48]
Unknown
No. Okay. Were you nervous? It would be like other reality people. You.
[27:54]
Tom Sandoval
No, I mean, I figured it would be other reality people.
[27:56]
Unknown
And then for your packing, how many suitcases did you have?
[28:00]
Tom Sandoval
I think most people did. Probably a couple suitcases. I packed like two in a carry on.
[28:07]
Unknown
Okay.
[28:07]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[28:08]
Unknown
So you were at the same level as other people.
[28:10]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[28:10]
Unknown
But you had. How'd you plan those outfits? Well, it was like two outfits a day. Like, how many. How many outfits? You need.
[28:17]
Tom Sandoval
You need an outfit.
[28:19]
Unknown
An outfit a day.
[28:20]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[28:20]
Unknown
So you had them all pre planned.
[28:22]
Tom Sandoval
And you have to. And you have to send them in. You have to send them into production ahead of time, too, to get approved. Yeah, I mean, just, just. I mean, they're gonna approve stuff, but.
[28:32]
Unknown
Yeah.
[28:33]
Tom Sandoval
Just in case. Victoria helped me out as well.
[28:35]
Unknown
Oh, she did?
[28:36]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. Went like a lot. Did a lot of vintage shopping. There was definitely some vintage stuff.
[28:41]
Unknown
But how many days is it filming?
[28:43]
Tom Sandoval
Like, what is it, 10?
[28:45]
Unknown
Oh, it's 10 days. Oh, damn. That's not a lot. And I saw you were saying at.
[28:51]
Tom Sandoval
Some point they actually film. They. It films a little longer. It's like 10 episodes or 11 episodes or whatever. So. So maybe it's 11.
[29:00]
Unknown
How many days were you there?
[29:02]
Tom Sandoval
I was there for. I did. I did just get murdered.
[29:05]
Unknown
So you did.
[29:07]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[29:07]
Unknown
I know this is going to come out next week, so we're going to be after the finale already.
[29:11]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[29:12]
Unknown
But you got more. So you get murdered an episode before the finale, which is sick.
[29:17]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[29:17]
Unknown
Did you ever think you were going to make it this far?
[29:19]
Tom Sandoval
I didn't.
[29:20]
Unknown
What did you think? What was your. Like if you had to bet with yourself before you went?
[29:23]
Tom Sandoval
I thought I would kind of get murdered or banished. I feared I'd probably get murdered. I don't know. First few.
[29:31]
Unknown
First few.
[29:31]
Tom Sandoval
First few days.
[29:32]
Unknown
Did you think it would be because people would have had something against you from the. From the get.
[29:37]
Tom Sandoval
I thought that could be something or just. I mean, I went in there to play the game. Like, I was very excited about playing.
[29:45]
Unknown
Yeah. So people could tell. I read this article in Vulture. Did you read the article about you and Vulture?
[29:52]
Tom Sandoval
Maybe. I mean, I did a lot of interviews.
[29:55]
Unknown
No, it wasn't an interview. It wasn't over you. It was an article about you called In Defense of Tom Sandoval. Did you see that?
[30:03]
Tom Sandoval
No, I did not. I want to check.
[30:04]
Unknown
So they were saying, you know, they were being a little snarky, but not, not bad. But they basically saying you were taking everything extremely seriously, and it's hilarious. So people loved how seriously we're taking it. But in this article, they were saying that it's like, was to a point where maybe you weren't, like, having fun because you were doing it. They were like, we never saw him playing. What's that game called? Badminton. Badminton. Badminton, Badminton. They were like, we never saw him playing that game with everybody. Is that true? Were you not goofing around, hanging out?
[30:39]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, there was one point where we. So here's the thing. When you're, when you're filming this show, you know, you have your, like, they call it reality time, where you go in and you are social. Like, it's basically like social hour.
[30:54]
Unknown
Yeah.
[30:54]
Tom Sandoval
And when you have 23 people and you're trying to figure out who, you know, the traders are you were using, you have to go. Yeah. And beyond that, you know, they separate you. You're not allowed to talk about gameplay, you're not allowed to talk about anything except, like, maybe the new Netflix series you're watching or something. But even then, it's like few and far between. You know, you have an hour, you have 45 minutes here and there.
[31:19]
Unknown
Yeah.
[31:20]
Tom Sandoval
And so I was. I would spend that time just like, running around the different people and trying to figure out who the traders were.
[31:29]
Unknown
So you weren't there to make friends?
[31:30]
Tom Sandoval
No, I was there to play the game.
[31:32]
Unknown
Did you make.
[31:32]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I was, I was. Of course I, I.
[31:35]
Unknown
Who'd you buddy up with?
[31:36]
Tom Sandoval
Dylan? Ivar? Carolyn.
[31:39]
Unknown
Carolyn, yeah. Carolyn actually said in an interview that you made them listen to some of your music in the car. Is that true?
[31:47]
Tom Sandoval
Well, I mean, we had, we had long car rides and. You know, how long?
[31:53]
Unknown
Like, what, hours?
[31:54]
Tom Sandoval
No, like, I mean, for, for going not far. Yeah, it would be like 45 minutes sometimes. Or, like.
[32:01]
Unknown
So why you would hit up the ox and.
[32:03]
Tom Sandoval
No, no, no, no. Like, they'd be like, what song you want to listen to? And somebody like, oh, my, my boy just came out with this jam. And then like, oh, Tom. Like, you. Like. I'm like, yeah, you want to hear a song? Like, I put it on.
[32:15]
Unknown
Okay, so you were.
[32:16]
Tom Sandoval
Put it on.
[32:17]
Unknown
You weren't forcing it upon them?
[32:18]
Tom Sandoval
No.
[32:19]
Unknown
Okay. Okay.
[32:20]
Tom Sandoval
What? It was one song out of many car rides.
[32:25]
Unknown
One time, you're saying?
[32:26]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[32:26]
Unknown
Okay. And so how many of the people. Because we know you walk, you came in. Chrishell and Gabby, I think were kind of the ones that knew about everything.
[32:36]
Tom Sandoval
And had said something like other people had too.
[32:39]
Unknown
But, yeah, Ivor probably didn't.
[32:42]
Tom Sandoval
Ivar.
[32:43]
Unknown
Ivar probably didn't.
[32:45]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[32:45]
Unknown
Dylan maybe, like, probably heard sprinklings of it, but. But didn't. But did you feel like it was a safe space or did you feel like you were. What was the vibe when you walked in, aside from Gabby and Chrishell?
[32:59]
Tom Sandoval
I felt like it was going to be a safe space. I mean, when I. When I rode there, I rode there with Dolores and Chrishell, actually. And we. We rode together the first time we went to the castle and it was, you know, bit of a drive, I think. Like again, like a 45 minute drive. Yeah, yeah. And we're just talking, excited. I think Jeremy might have been in the car too, but, yeah, we were just.
[33:25]
Unknown
So Chriselle was fine with you in the. In the car?
[33:27]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I mean, from what I had gathered, like, we were just all excited and just like, oh, no way. Selling Sunset.
[33:35]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, okay, yeah.
[33:37]
Unknown
So then housewives, like, but then at the round table, she, like, kind of came for you about that.
[33:41]
Tom Sandoval
Well, yeah, like in that car ride, she was like, just so, you know, like after we had been in there and like, maybe almost point, she's like, I do follow Ariana on Instagram. And I was like, okay, yeah, cool, I get it. Yeah, I understand. And that's awesome. Like, I was like, a lot of my friends do actually too. Like, not a big deal.
[34:01]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. So then you weren't expecting her to say that they were friends at the round table.
[34:08]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I mean, I know they took a picture together like six, seven years ago.
[34:12]
Unknown
Yeah.
[34:12]
Tom Sandoval
Once it turned into from I follow Ariana to Ariana and I are friends.
[34:19]
Unknown
Okay.
[34:20]
Tom Sandoval
And you're coming after me because we're friends. And I'm like, no, I'm trying to play traitors. And you're like, you were the only one who was looking down when we took the blindfolds off. And like, that's all I have to go on.
[34:32]
Unknown
Oh, I remember that. When you thought, yeah, yeah. But that didn't stick. Like, that kind of vibe. I feel like that was kind of the only moment.
[34:41]
Amanda Hirsch
No, right?
[34:42]
Tom Sandoval
No, it wasn't.
[34:43]
Unknown
Oh, there were more moments like that.
[34:45]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. You didn't hear, like, at the breakfast table and. Yeah, it was. I. I got. I. I was uncomfortable. I. I got scared. I was like, so if I blame somebody for being a traitor, if I accuse somebody of being a traitor, they're gonna throw that at me. Which sucked.
[35:02]
Unknown
Yeah. But it didn't happen with any of the other contestants.
[35:05]
Tom Sandoval
No, but it's kind of like, specifically there. Yeah.
[35:09]
Unknown
But Gabby warmed up to you a little bit, right?
[35:12]
Tom Sandoval
That'd be awesome.
[35:12]
Unknown
Okay, cool.
[35:13]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[35:14]
Unknown
Because at the beginning, she was like. I don't know if to say hi or, like, she didn't want to.
[35:18]
Tom Sandoval
It was weird too. It was. It was weird. Like, I mean, there's obviously a lot of editing that goes into it. And even after Chrishell said all that stuff and, like, really stuck it to me, which it felt that way. I mean, it felt like. It's like, wow. You went from like, oh, you know, I follow Ariana on Instagram to like, Ariana and I are friends.
[35:38]
Unknown
Yeah.
[35:39]
Tom Sandoval
And you're just doing this because you're mad that we're friends. And then she did this thing that was like, she, like, put her shoulders up. She's like, I don't even feel like safe being this close to you. Like, it was so weird.
[35:52]
Unknown
Like, you're a murderer.
[35:53]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, it was. It was a lot.
[35:56]
Unknown
Well, it seems like from a viewer's standpoint that you kind of escape that. Like, that the rest of the show move on from. That was not about that. Like, even when you had your. Like, like, you were very entertaining. Thanks, people. Let me read you some comments on Tick Tock in case you are ignoring them. Hate to admit it, but when I saw them kill Sandoval, I stopped watching. His confidence is actually inspiring. I need to re watch VPR to remember who the villain is. It's Tom, but I can't remember after this redemption arc, bruh. I can't believe it, but I was rooting for him. Then somebody said, he's so damn delusional. And somebody else said, we love a Delulu kink. And somebody said, he wasn't good. And somebody said, but he was so iconic. I was sad when they killed him. He is entertaining. He. He made the show. What a mistake. Killing him off. These are the vibes right now. How does that feel? Like, how does it feel?
[36:57]
Tom Sandoval
No, it feels great. I mean, look whether they're laughing with me or at me. Yeah, I'm just Glad that they're laughing.
[37:04]
Unknown
Yeah.
[37:05]
Tom Sandoval
I.
[37:05]
Unknown
And not bringing up like that. That this is a new.
[37:09]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[37:10]
Unknown
That it's like, is this who you've been all.
[37:13]
Amanda Hirsch
All along?
[37:14]
Unknown
Are you like, hey, guys, I've been this goofy dude that takes way too seriously, and it's kind of funny, which you, by the way, you have been. Because let's look back at, like, montage. You bring in the sidecar with Schwartz.
[37:29]
Tom Sandoval
And old man makeup and drag and, like, all the things the extra party walking in on still, it's like, you've always been. Yeah.
[37:39]
Unknown
You've always been this way, so it was nice to get that side back.
[37:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[37:44]
Unknown
So. But the laughing at you. Does that her. Like, when the pit was happening. Sweating. What was the sweating? How hot was.
[37:51]
Tom Sandoval
It was fudgeing. Hot as shit. And how hot? Like, 23 people in a room, 80 degrees. And you're wearing a wool sweater because your luggage has been lost. And, you know, I had. Like, I was.
[38:04]
Unknown
And it's great. Gray is not a good color. Sweat.
[38:06]
Tom Sandoval
Exactly. Gray is the worst color. Dylan actually took his sweater off, too, because he was like, we were both at the mercy of the stylist that day, and he took his off. He had a white tank top underneath. They're like, dylan, you got to put your shirt back on. He's like, it was so hot in.
[38:24]
Unknown
There because people started, like, saying, like, you're detoxing or, like.
[38:27]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:28]
Unknown
Did you see that?
[38:29]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:29]
Unknown
And what. What do you have to say to that?
[38:31]
Tom Sandoval
That's really annoying. And up especially because, like, I definitely don't do cocaine.
[38:36]
Unknown
Okay.
[38:37]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:37]
Unknown
Okay. Speaking of cocaine, did you see Jax came out as a. That he was addicted and now he's sober?
[38:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:45]
Unknown
What. What do you say to that?
[38:47]
Tom Sandoval
I'm proud of him.
[38:48]
Unknown
Yeah.
[38:49]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:49]
Unknown
Schwarzy.
[38:51]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:51]
Unknown
I saw somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong, people of the world, he said that he's been closer to Jacks since.
[38:58]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[38:59]
Unknown
Vanderpump ended.
[39:01]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[39:01]
Unknown
Is that. That's sad.
[39:02]
Tom Sandoval
I think we. Well, I mean, I don't. Look, I mean, again, Jax has cruise. And. And it's just as Cruise. Cruise.
[39:13]
Unknown
Oh, the baby.
[39:14]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[39:15]
Unknown
Okay. I'm like a cruise ship. No, but. But. But Schwartz is closer to Jackson. He is to you, he's saying.
[39:22]
Tom Sandoval
Oh, he said that?
[39:23]
Unknown
I think so.
[39:24]
Tom Sandoval
You. You think so?
[39:25]
Unknown
Wait, you think Jack said it?
[39:27]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know.
[39:28]
Unknown
Is that not true?
[39:29]
Tom Sandoval
I don't. I don't know. I mean. Okay, I don't think Schwartz would say something like that. I just don't Think he would. Whether he was closer to me or closer to Jax, he wouldn't say, like, well, I'm closer to Jax, Tom. Like, I feel like.
[39:40]
Unknown
Okay, maybe Jack said it. Jax is leaning on Tom Schwartz as much as he can.
[39:44]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[39:45]
Unknown
During recovery. Oh, no. Tom Schwartz reveals he's closer to Jax Taylor than Tom Sandoval.
[39:51]
Tom Sandoval
Oh, really?
[39:52]
Unknown
Yes.
[39:52]
Tom Sandoval
They live next door to each other.
[39:54]
Unknown
Okay, so that would make sense.
[39:56]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[39:56]
Unknown
Okay. But your feelings are a little hurt. He's your boy.
[39:59]
Tom Sandoval
Not. Look, I don't. Doesn't.
[40:02]
Unknown
I mean, but you and Jax are not friends.
[40:04]
Tom Sandoval
No, we are.
[40:05]
Unknown
You are.
[40:06]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[40:06]
Unknown
But he always kind of hated him yesterday. Oh, yeah?
[40:09]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[40:10]
Unknown
How can you guys be friends after all your. It's. Well, I mean, like, he's looked at you in the face and been like, I hate you, basically. Am I making this up? You guys? He has. He's come and, like, he's. I feel like deep down, you know what I mean? When you can. Sometimes you get the feeling of like someone doesn't actually from their core, like me. Like they're not wishing the best for me.
[40:37]
Tom Sandoval
I think he's just gotten angry.
[40:40]
Unknown
Oh, you think?
[40:40]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[40:41]
Unknown
Okay.
[40:42]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[40:42]
Unknown
Love that you're still positive about that.
[40:44]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I think he would say the same thing.
[40:46]
Unknown
Yeah.
[40:47]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. We've been pissed at each other for sure.
[40:49]
Unknown
Let's talk about a little bit of beauty stuff with you for a second.
[40:52]
Tom Sandoval
Okay.
[40:53]
Unknown
Okay. Your nails, I see that they have. Are they clear polish right now?
[40:57]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, with a light buff.
[40:58]
Unknown
Okay. You asked for a light buff.
[41:00]
Tom Sandoval
I asked for a light buff.
[41:01]
Unknown
Do you still shave your forehead?
[41:03]
Tom Sandoval
That's something. That's like. That's just the. I did it. I haven't done that in a while, but it's, you know.
[41:09]
Unknown
Yeah, that's OG exfoliate. That's like first season Vanderbump cells.
[41:13]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[41:14]
Unknown
And you don't do it anymore?
[41:15]
Tom Sandoval
I haven't done it in a minute.
[41:16]
Unknown
Do you do any, like, Botox or anything?
[41:19]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I've done Botox. Yeah.
[41:21]
Unknown
But I see there's movement. Yeah, yeah.
[41:24]
Tom Sandoval
Do you. Do you do Botox?
[41:25]
Unknown
I haven't done a very long time. I would right now, but I'm. I just had a baby.
[41:29]
Tom Sandoval
Congrats.
[41:30]
Unknown
Thank you.
[41:31]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[41:31]
Amanda Hirsch
We'll be right back after the break. As I've been saying, you guys, this winter has been cray cray in the hair.
[41:41]
Unknown
Okay.
[41:41]
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[43:25]
Unknown
And people thought it was really funny. And they were like, did you take Lenny's sweater?
[43:31]
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[46:19]
Unknown
Okay, so we said it was hot in the castle. Weren't detoxing.
[46:22]
Tom Sandoval
It was not detoxing.
[46:25]
Unknown
Are you taking credit for getting Boston Rob out?
[46:30]
Tom Sandoval
Am I taking credit?
[46:31]
Unknown
Like would you want to, would you say like that was your play?
[46:35]
Tom Sandoval
I would say that there was a lot of people that, you know, Derek was on to him. Yeah, I mean I think that day at that round table, I really pushed hard for it.
[46:46]
Unknown
Yeah.
[46:47]
Tom Sandoval
I had talked to Sam ahead of time and at that point I didn't have a lot of credibility going into that round table. So he's like tom, I'll, I'll start it off for you.
[46:56]
Unknown
Yeah, but you thought you were like you guys, he's a, like you were confident. He's a traitor.
[47:01]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[47:01]
Unknown
You guys watching at home? Like, I was. How can you guys see it? Like, how is he playing you for so many episodes?
[47:07]
Tom Sandoval
You know what I literally told people? I said, guys, and. And they're not gonna. Because it breaks the fourth wall. I was like, guys, people are gonna be screaming at the.
[47:17]
Unknown
Oh, you said that?
[47:18]
Tom Sandoval
Yes, I said, guys, people are gonna be screaming at the tv, including Bob the Drag Queen.
[47:24]
Unknown
Okay?
[47:24]
Tom Sandoval
That, like, guys, I said that Boston Rob is a traitor.
[47:30]
Unknown
Yeah.
[47:30]
Tom Sandoval
I was like, guys, come on. That was, like, kind of. I feel like. Really? What. What, like, sparked people to, like, listen? Like, Sam and Five are like. I remember sitting in the room, and of course, Dylan was there, and he's like, no. No way, man. Sorry.
[47:45]
Unknown
That's what you got. Dylan, like, he looked at the beginning like he was just so good at playing the game, but the people that he trusted the most ended up being the traitors, like Danielle and. And Rob. And he, like, was like, danielle's my girl. I was like, oh, my God. Even watching that, like, Danielle and her dramatic acting, like, falling on the floor, shaking that.
[48:05]
Tom Sandoval
I didn't even see that.
[48:06]
Unknown
Oh, you didn't notice?
[48:07]
Tom Sandoval
I was so annoyed because that night, okay, that day, I remember going to Dylan, we got in the car, we rode together, and at this point, it's less people. So you're only riding in the car with one other person. And I was like, dude, it's Danielle and Caroline. You know that, right? You know that they're traitors. They've been protecting us. I'm like, there's a slight possibility that it could be Dolores. And at that point, I was off.
[48:30]
Unknown
Oh, Carolyn and you were friends, so you thought she was protecting you?
[48:34]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[48:35]
Unknown
Oh.
[48:37]
Amanda Hirsch
Huh.
[48:38]
Unknown
Okay.
[48:38]
Tom Sandoval
After the Danielle site, I was like, it's weird. I was like, think about it. They. They both have, like, gone after each other, but yet they, like, don't hang out, like, in the. Like, meaning they're like, Boston Rob and Dylan were, like, always around together. Like, same thing with, like, Brittany and Danielle. They're always, like, hanging out. But, like, Danielle and Carolyn weren't walking around the castle together. They weren't really ever talking, but yet there was this weird underlying thing that was happening between them, and I started to pick up on it, and I just. It just hit me. And then I told myself, okay, well, that night. So that that day in the castle was the last day that you could recruit as a trader. And so I had thought that Dolores might be a traitor, right?
[49:34]
Unknown
Oh, yeah, you were. You're hung up on that.
[49:36]
Tom Sandoval
I Was. There was a lot of things.
[49:38]
Unknown
Yeah.
[49:38]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. It seems ridiculous when you watch it and you know that it's a traitor.
[49:42]
Unknown
Right.
[49:42]
Tom Sandoval
She was the first one to get off the boat in the first challenge. Didn't care. She's. She's.
[49:46]
Unknown
And also, she stayed for a long time.
[49:48]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[49:48]
Unknown
I mean, she's still. Yeah.
[49:50]
Tom Sandoval
She also, like, never cared. Never seemed to care about getting a shield. Never really was worried ever about getting murdered. And she'd be like, oh, you know, like, we're walking in the breakfast that day that Boston Rob got out. She's like, well, I hope Boston Rob doesn't get murdered. And I'm like, everybody's looking around. They're like, boston Rob's a traitor.
[50:12]
Unknown
Yeah.
[50:12]
Tom Sandoval
Like, why are you saying that? Like, it's so obvious that he's at least probably a traitor.
[50:18]
Unknown
Yeah.
[50:18]
Tom Sandoval
You know what I mean? He's not gonna get murdered. He's gonna walk in. There he goes, walking. Oh, my gosh. Boston Rob. Whoa. He made it through the night okay. I'm just like, this seems performative.
[50:28]
Unknown
Yeah.
[50:29]
Tom Sandoval
Like, there was a lot of things that Bob the Drag Queen, very, very. Like, I was in the car when he was. He was talking about, you know, something serious and personal with him, but he was very adamant about how he doesn't believe in God. And then I forgot about that. And she never said anything like. Well, actually, I didn't hear that part. Actually, I didn't hear that part in the car, but he said that at the round table, and she didn't bring that up until after the fact. So I'm like. I just felt like she always seemed to vote with the group.
[51:00]
Unknown
Yeah.
[51:01]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[51:01]
Unknown
But you were wrong.
[51:02]
Tom Sandoval
I was. I was wrong. I was. But I wasn't the only one that thought that way.
[51:06]
Unknown
The Boston Rob thing was ridiculous. Watching it was tv. He's probably like, these dumb, dumb. But how scary is it? Because I feel like I was trying to think all the time, like, if I was it on the show, how would I know what to do? Because on one hand, you want to, like, find out, but then if you do, then you have a target on your back and you'll get killed. So how do you navigate that? Like, wanting to play the game, find the traders, whatever, but at the same time, knowing that if you speak up, you'll be killed.
[51:35]
Tom Sandoval
See, I. I just wanted to. Like, when I went on there, I was like, I just want to be transparent and just very straightforward with everyone. Like, I. I don't think I would have done the show if I Would have been a traitor.
[51:49]
Unknown
Like, I just would have. Yeah. Were you scared they were going to make you a traitor?
[51:53]
Tom Sandoval
I was pretty adamant about the fact that I'm like, I'm not.
[51:57]
Unknown
You genuinely think you wouldn't be good at it?
[51:59]
Tom Sandoval
No.
[52:00]
Unknown
Why?
[52:01]
Tom Sandoval
No, I just, I just wouldn't.
[52:03]
Unknown
Yeah.
[52:04]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. No.
[52:05]
Unknown
Okay.
[52:06]
Tom Sandoval
No way.
[52:07]
Unknown
And there are people that want to be one.
[52:08]
Tom Sandoval
Yes. That's what I. And that's what I told Alan. I was like, I was like, hey, if somebody wants to do something, they're going to be a lot better at it if they. Than somebody who doesn't want.
[52:18]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody thought you were a traitor or did they?
[52:22]
Tom Sandoval
No.
[52:22]
Unknown
Huh.
[52:23]
Tom Sandoval
They knew.
[52:24]
Unknown
There are some people that like, just like you believe them like, that they're faithful from the gap.
[52:29]
Tom Sandoval
I, I, at one point somebody said something and I was like, guys, I'm not gonna come out here at the slight chance to like, win money to, at that point in time, like, lie and be deceptive and it's not worth it for me. That's not fun. That's not what I want to do. Yeah, I couldn't, like, have fun doing that at all.
[52:49]
Unknown
Like, when you get the letter that you're killed, is it like you wake up in the morning and it's waiting for you? What's the thing? So you wake up in the morning, you get dressed and there's a chair outside.
[53:01]
Tom Sandoval
You go into a room and you get.
[53:03]
Unknown
Or you go into the, In a room.
[53:04]
Tom Sandoval
In it.
[53:05]
Unknown
Yeah, but wait, but if you're going to a room, then you already know.
[53:07]
Tom Sandoval
Well, they have people walk into breakfast, right?
[53:10]
Unknown
Yeah.
[53:11]
Tom Sandoval
And then as you're walking into breakfast, they're like, okay, we're gonna have these three people go, or these two people go. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, we're gonna have this one person go. And Tom, wait back.
[53:22]
Unknown
Oh, so Tom, wait back. Do you already know?
[53:25]
Tom Sandoval
I knew I was murdered that day.
[53:27]
Unknown
Why? I just know.
[53:28]
Tom Sandoval
I just knew it because.
[53:29]
Unknown
Why? You spoke up too much.
[53:31]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[53:31]
Unknown
So see, that's the problem. So how do you play the game with wanting to speak up?
[53:37]
Tom Sandoval
I shouldn't have spoken up. I was like, I was like, pretty vocal. I was frustrated because like I was saying before, like, I was trying to tell you this was the last day that the traders could recruit. So I was like, if there's one day where we don't want to necessarily get like, we want to save the people that we think are probably traders for when they don't reveal themselves.
[54:02]
Unknown
Okay.
[54:02]
Tom Sandoval
Right. And it was like Danielle and Carolyn were pretty obvious. I was like, Dolores could, could not be. I mean, Ivar thought she might be as well. Like, I just was like, if we get a faithful out this night in particular, it wouldn't be the worst thing.
[54:18]
Unknown
Okay.
[54:19]
Tom Sandoval
Because then they can't recruit and we then we know, like, we know who the fucking traders are.
[54:26]
Unknown
Right.
[54:27]
Tom Sandoval
So the next day when we do a banishment. Great. And then we get to the fire of truth or whatever it is, if Danielle or Carolyn are still there, it's like, bye. You know what I mean?
[54:37]
Unknown
Yeah.
[54:38]
Tom Sandoval
Otherwise it's like we get out of trader that night. We. I could be. I could be like forced to be a trader. Dylan, you could be forced to be a trader, Ivar, Brittany, you know, Gabby, any one of us. And it's like, then you gotta start from scratch. You can't go from like the patterns or anything that you've been watching for the past like several, many days. You don't have any of that.
[55:03]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. So would you have done something differently to not get killed and maybe stay?
[55:09]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I would have not been so vocal about. You guys know that. I was like, you guys know it's Danielle. Danielle's a traitor. Right?
[55:17]
Unknown
Like, you would have not. You would have kept that to yourself. Yeah, really. See, this is, I feel like the hard part about playing the game. Like, what's the best strategy? Be quiet. Is that the best strategy?
[55:28]
Tom Sandoval
Well, I mean, there's a lot of strategies, you know.
[55:31]
Unknown
Did you go in with any strategy to the game?
[55:33]
Tom Sandoval
I just was like, I'm gonna try to do everything that I can and I know I'm gonna get murdered. So.
[55:41]
Unknown
Okay, you went in with low expectations.
[55:42]
Tom Sandoval
Then I'm like, I'm gonna bust my ass on all the missions.
[55:47]
Unknown
Let's talk about it. Let's talk about. Let's talk about your mission. The doll. The doll. The weird doll. This was the best, the best tv. I remember I was late to watching that week and everyone was like, you have to watch. You have to watch. You have to watch. Like, it is crazy. Did you see Sandal in that scene? It was crazy. This was a laugh with you.
[56:08]
Amanda Hirsch
A moment.
[56:10]
Unknown
Cuz again, how did you do that? Never would I ever be able to pick up that doll and it go.
[56:16]
Tom Sandoval
Like it was so, so.
[56:17]
Unknown
And I can't believe it worked for them to do it on the thing. And then it switched it.
[56:22]
Tom Sandoval
Like Britney did help too. But like from the get go, I could tell everybody just wants to get a shield and they're like, wait, is.
[56:28]
Unknown
That like that in general? Like, do people care about the money? Like, we're wondering as viewers? I mean, because it seems like, yeah.
[56:35]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, they do.
[56:35]
Unknown
Okay.
[56:36]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. Because I don't know.
[56:38]
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, they should. At the end, at point, at points, it seems like they don't, but. Okay, so they do. So everyone's trying to get a shield. You're the only one picking up these.
[56:47]
Tom Sandoval
I just was like, yeah. I'm like, okay. Like, nobody. Also, I could tell, like, the three other people I was with, they're like, I don't want to, like, somebody else take the. Take the wheel on this.
[57:00]
Unknown
Yeah.
[57:01]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. So I was like, I'll just. I'm. I'll do this.
[57:04]
Unknown
Were you shocked that it worked like that? Somehow from you making these, like, weird noises from this doll, they are actually discovering the song.
[57:15]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[57:16]
Unknown
Wild.
[57:16]
Tom Sandoval
I thought. I thought that you could just do the tones backwards and that it would. That would work. And then what I realized after doing it is that, like, you. You couldn't. You had to do this. Yeah. Like, sounds.
[57:33]
Unknown
And you saying you really felt like your musical background assisted this challenge?
[57:39]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, having any sort of musical background would. Would help in this challenge. Yeah.
[57:44]
Unknown
Sam was saying not great things about your music.
[57:48]
Tom Sandoval
You said a lot of.
[57:49]
Unknown
Did you care?
[57:50]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, he. Me and him were, like, really cool face to face, but he. He's definitely done a lot of talking about me.
[57:58]
Unknown
Oh, yeah. Was that surprising to you?
[58:01]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know. I mean, nothing really surprises me these days.
[58:04]
Unknown
Yeah, but you thought you were cool.
[58:06]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[58:07]
Unknown
I mean, he came in with something to prove, too. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I was saying that I like about the. The show is that you come on to play a game. Like, there's literally almost zero personal. You know, so you can look beyond. With Sam, for example, you forget that he was Britney Spears. Like, I did. I was just watching it as I.
[58:30]
Tom Sandoval
I just took people like. Like, you're my face. Yeah, exactly.
[58:34]
Unknown
Yeah. Could anybody from Vanderpump be good at this? At Traders?
[58:39]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I'm sure anybody could.
[58:41]
Unknown
Yeah.
[58:41]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. If they wanted to be. I mean, I don't know.
[58:43]
Unknown
Who do you think the most?
[58:47]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know. I think. I mean, I know Sheena really wants to be on the show.
[58:51]
Unknown
Oh, she does?
[58:51]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[58:52]
Unknown
I was gonna say, I think Lala could be good, probably.
[58:54]
Tom Sandoval
You think? Yeah, I think Lala would be like, I think she could be good. Yeah.
[59:00]
Unknown
I don't know if it's trader as a Faithful. I think if I played you guys, I would, like, just not say anything the whole time. I feel like that's like the safest way to go. Murdered. And then you get. And then you would get murdered.
[59:14]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[59:15]
Unknown
Why? I'm not. I'm harmless.
[59:17]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. But when it's. I don't know. That's like. That's such a boring way to play.
[59:22]
Unknown
It is a boring way to play.
[59:24]
Tom Sandoval
Such a boring.
[59:25]
Unknown
If you people. The audience kind of also felt like so many people said this to me that they wish we didn't know who the traitors were. You agree with that? Like, that it would be cooler, it.
[59:35]
Tom Sandoval
Would be cool if the audience didn't know.
[59:38]
Unknown
Yeah.
[59:39]
Tom Sandoval
Because it would create a new. Another element to the show.
[59:41]
Unknown
Yeah.
[59:42]
Tom Sandoval
Because then the audience would be playing along with you.
[59:44]
Unknown
Right? Exactly.
[59:44]
Tom Sandoval
And then you could see people's perspective and you could see the chaos of trying to figure out who the. The traders.
[59:49]
Unknown
I know it is pretty. Like.
[59:51]
Tom Sandoval
Like, imagine there's 23 people.
[59:53]
Unknown
Yeah.
[59:54]
Tom Sandoval
Like, that's a lot.
[59:55]
Unknown
Yeah.
[59:56]
Tom Sandoval
Like, see you scramble around and try to, like, figure it out to people and then seeing people, like, start to jump on one person and you're like, well, I mean, I guess it's not me. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, and then you're just like, I don't think so. But nothing. Because especially in the first few days, like, you don't have anything real strong to go on of. And so you're just, like, grasping at straws.
[60:23]
Unknown
Would you. Because I'm trying to think. Do you think it's better to be killed or banished?
[60:28]
Tom Sandoval
I think it's better to be killed.
[60:30]
Unknown
Yeah. I think they do.
[60:31]
Tom Sandoval
Being banished sucks.
[60:32]
Unknown
Do people.
[60:32]
Tom Sandoval
Especially when, like, everybody.
[60:34]
Unknown
Those speeches.
[60:36]
Tom Sandoval
Brittany definitely did, but I can tell.
[60:39]
Unknown
But, like, I feel like everyone does because you have to end it, like, because I'm a faithful and leave. So, like, you have to have a plan.
[60:47]
Tom Sandoval
I think maybe you slightly plan it out.
[60:51]
Unknown
Yeah.
[60:52]
Tom Sandoval
I didn't really have anything planned, but I would start planning if I saw.
[60:57]
Unknown
That the round tables going.
[60:58]
Tom Sandoval
So, like, I'm like, okay, I better plan something.
[61:00]
Unknown
Yeah.
[61:01]
Tom Sandoval
Cool to say.
[61:02]
Unknown
Right? Because you need something cool to say. But I agree. I would rather be killed. Do you think anybody else in the house that wasn't a trader would be more suitable to be a trader than whoever was?
[61:11]
Tom Sandoval
I think Wes would have been a good trader.
[61:13]
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah, he would. Yeah. He didn't really get to show his chops on the show. Okay. Question that audiences want to know. Does the time really Matter on challenges because they make it seem like you're finishing last second. Is it. Is it a time thing?
[61:29]
Tom Sandoval
It is timed.
[61:30]
Unknown
Okay.
[61:30]
Tom Sandoval
For sure. Yeah.
[61:31]
Unknown
All right.
[61:32]
Tom Sandoval
Yes. There were. There were a couple times that we actually finished ours a little early with the gunpowder. I think we were a little early on that one.
[61:42]
Unknown
Okay.
[61:42]
Tom Sandoval
So. But yeah, they want to, you know.
[61:45]
Unknown
They want to have it, like, in. But it's dramatized a little bit.
[61:49]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[61:49]
Unknown
I mean, how hard are they and how frequent are they?
[61:52]
Tom Sandoval
They're hard. I mean, the. The. The clown one was. It's every day.
[61:56]
Unknown
Oh, it's every day. Okay. The bug one, did that really gross you out?
[62:00]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, yeah. When that rattlesnake was or not? Not rattlesnake. Sorry. That. That. Rid of that python. I don't know.
[62:07]
Unknown
That was crazy.
[62:08]
Tom Sandoval
When it was around my neck.
[62:09]
Unknown
Yeah.
[62:10]
Tom Sandoval
It was crushing bugs around my neck. And the crickets were, like, biting because they're getting crushed.
[62:18]
Unknown
No. That's wild.
[62:19]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[62:20]
Unknown
It's not worth it.
[62:21]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know. It's kind of cool. Like, it's kind of like, that's one thing. Like, when I did Special forces.
[62:27]
Unknown
Yeah. What was harder then? Was it Special Forces?
[62:30]
Tom Sandoval
Yes, of course.
[62:31]
Unknown
Way harder than.
[62:32]
Tom Sandoval
Way harder.
[62:33]
Unknown
Okay.
[62:33]
Tom Sandoval
When I did special Forces, you would get done doing something that was so, so hard, like, pushed beyond. Pushed beyond. Push beyond. And there was something very rewarding about that feeling and knowing that you did it. That you did it.
[62:49]
Unknown
Yeah.
[62:50]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[62:50]
Unknown
So this was like, I mean, I guess nothing on you to have some crickets where, like, I don't know, Special Forces. What do you do? Like, skydive without a parachute and.
[62:59]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, we skydive without parachutes on Special Forces. That's what you do. Yes.
[63:03]
Unknown
And go underwater without, like, a tank. You know, all those things. Wait, so how many hours are you alone in the castle? Because you said you film for, like, an hour. So is it a lot of alone time?
[63:14]
Tom Sandoval
There were times where we were. Yeah. Separated for quite a while.
[63:17]
Unknown
What do you do?
[63:18]
Tom Sandoval
Can you be sit there?
[63:20]
Amanda Hirsch
Sit there?
[63:21]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[63:21]
Unknown
I would die of boredom. Can you be on your phone?
[63:24]
Tom Sandoval
No. No phones. Yeah.
[63:27]
Unknown
So what do you do?
[63:28]
Tom Sandoval
Just sit there?
[63:29]
Unknown
You just sit there?
[63:31]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. Maybe sleep.
[63:32]
Unknown
Maybe sleep. Okay. And then you got a lot of comments about how you were eating in the castle. They were like, are you okay? Like, why are you shoving food in your mouth?
[63:42]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know. I think I was, like, stress eating. And also just. We would. So we would go to the castle, and you're. You go into, like, confessionals. You get you. They do socials, social media stuff, pictures, then you go and do interviews. Then you, you know, then you finally, like, maybe it's like maybe a couple hours sometimes before you sit down and have breakfast.
[64:08]
Unknown
Yeah.
[64:09]
Tom Sandoval
And you know, the ride there is like a good 45 minutes and then, then they, you do your social time after that and then they do lunch right away. And so I would mainly eat at breakfast.
[64:22]
Unknown
Okay, that was your, like, eating time.
[64:24]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[64:25]
Unknown
You just shove that food in. And when you walked into breakfast, did you feel like people were like, excited to see you all the time or were they like.
[64:34]
Tom Sandoval
They're like, yay, Tom's here, Chris.
[64:38]
Unknown
I'll be like, you felt like, disappointed. You felt that they were disappointed. Oh, that's hard, Tom. Yeah, but you just have to like, breeze through it and be like, whatever. There are people in the world, like we said that don't know about this scandal I saw on Tik Tok. There was this dude that's like obsessed with you.
[64:58]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[64:58]
Unknown
Right.
[64:59]
Tom Sandoval
Are you talking about Jacob?
[65:00]
Unknown
Yeah.
[65:00]
Tom Sandoval
Yes.
[65:01]
Unknown
What? So we've hung out.
[65:02]
Tom Sandoval
It's.
[65:03]
Unknown
I saw that the people that don't know there's this dude, he's like somebody's boyfriend watching trailers. He was obsessed and his girlfriend was like, you don't know, like who Tom Sandoval is. And. And then what happened? How did this become.
[65:16]
Tom Sandoval
He met you started commenting back and he just was super cool. And he's a musician. He's in a band too as well. Like, huh. Yeah. Yeah.
[65:27]
Unknown
So what do you mean you met him? Tell me about this.
[65:29]
Tom Sandoval
We, we met at Jones on third.
[65:32]
Unknown
By accident or like a meeting was set up.
[65:34]
Tom Sandoval
We set up like a coffee set up to me. Yeah, we had dinner.
[65:38]
Unknown
You had dinner?
[65:39]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[65:39]
Unknown
You and him solo?
[65:40]
Tom Sandoval
No, no, it was him and his girlfriend and me and my girlfriend.
[65:43]
Unknown
Okay. Oh, a double date.
[65:45]
Tom Sandoval
We went on a double date.
[65:46]
Unknown
Wait, is this. Are you friends now?
[65:49]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[65:50]
Unknown
Oh, and he was a big supporter.
[65:52]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[65:52]
Unknown
And he was told everything after and he was like, still my boy. Yeah, I love that, Jacob. Yeah, that's fun.
[66:02]
Tom Sandoval
Shout out to Jacob.
[66:03]
Unknown
Shout out to Jacob.
[66:06]
Tom Sandoval
He's super cool.
[66:07]
Unknown
That is super cool. It's nice. Did you set up the meeting? Were you like.
[66:11]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I mean, we both did and our, and our girlfriends helped too.
[66:14]
Unknown
That's nice. So is he normal?
[66:17]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[66:17]
Unknown
Okay.
[66:18]
Tom Sandoval
He's super chill.
[66:19]
Unknown
Okay, cool. What's next, Sandy? Would you do anything other reality, like Big Brother challenge, Survivor, like, where does it start? Where does it end?
[66:28]
Tom Sandoval
I've. I've actually talked to Johnny Bananas about wanting to possibly do the challenge. And, you know, I have my podcast that's starting back up my band as well. We have shows coming up. Yeah, I mean, I just. I don't know. I'm pretty open to, like, just.
[66:44]
Unknown
You're open?
[66:45]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I mean, I had a blast doing Traders and doing Special Forces and. Yeah, I like doing shows like that. I want to do my own stuff as well.
[66:55]
Unknown
Like what? Like, produce your own show?
[66:56]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[66:57]
Unknown
Would you go on the Valley?
[67:00]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't know. Maybe. I'm open to it.
[67:04]
Unknown
You're open?
[67:05]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[67:06]
Unknown
You're mostly open.
[67:07]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I feel like if it feels right.
[67:09]
Unknown
Yeah.
[67:10]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[67:11]
Unknown
You know what? I wonder. I wonder because the Bravo people, and I've always said this, and they scare me.
[67:18]
Amanda Hirsch
Like, the Bravo.
[67:19]
Tom Sandoval
Bravo fans.
[67:20]
Unknown
The Bravo fans are intense. So when they come for you, it's literally like murder. It's literally. You know, it's. It's rough.
[67:30]
Tom Sandoval
I have. I have people that have, like, dedicated their. The last two years, like, just of hating me.
[67:38]
Unknown
Yeah, that was scar. But then you're saying I'm open. I'm like.
[67:43]
Tom Sandoval
I don't live my life for those people, though. I just don't. They live their life for hating me, but I don't live my life for them. Like, literally, like, these people get so excited. Anything that I do, like, right now, like, if my hair is a certain way, they're like. Anything that they can do to pick this up, Pick me apart. Pick, like, this situation apart, they're gonna do it.
[68:04]
Unknown
Yeah, they love it.
[68:05]
Tom Sandoval
It's, like, obsessive. It's kind of crazy.
[68:07]
Unknown
I mean, it's. It is pretty crazy.
[68:10]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[68:10]
Unknown
It's pretty crazy to even.
[68:11]
Tom Sandoval
They look at me as, like. I think as like, a character or like a villain, like on a show or something, but I don't know how.
[68:20]
Unknown
Much real life has happened. Like, would any of these people, the keyboard warriors, as we call them, have they come up to you in real life?
[68:29]
Tom Sandoval
I've met. Yes. I've met them.
[68:30]
Unknown
And they're said bad. That said negative things to your face.
[68:33]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, obviously, I've had people say negative things in my face.
[68:36]
Unknown
Okay.
[68:36]
Tom Sandoval
A lot of them are much different in real life. And then they get to meet me in real life, they realize that I'm a human being, and. And they're, like, reminded that I am a human being.
[68:48]
Unknown
Yeah.
[68:49]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. And it. It changes. But then they. They might leave and go back to their.
[68:55]
Unknown
I just wonder because we are seeing a lot of positive feedback about you right now.
[69:00]
Amanda Hirsch
Right.
[69:00]
Unknown
And that must feel good. Are you trying to remind yourself of how volatile this business is and social media is? Are you. Are you letting yourself, like, feel the love and the hype, or are you grounding yourself and saying, no, of course.
[69:15]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, it's. It's nice. Yeah. But I. I just. You know how.
[69:21]
Unknown
You know how it is.
[69:22]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[69:23]
Unknown
You know how it is. Okay. But I have to ask you a couple more questions. Were you surprised that the Faithfuls won?
[69:31]
Tom Sandoval
No, I think it's. I think it. This game is hard for traders to win.
[69:36]
Unknown
Yeah.
[69:36]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, I do.
[69:38]
Unknown
Wait, so how much money are they splitting?
[69:40]
Tom Sandoval
They're splitting like 200 to 250. Yeah.
[69:43]
Unknown
So are you bound that you're not get in that?
[69:45]
Tom Sandoval
I never. No, I wasn't.
[69:48]
Unknown
No.
[69:48]
Tom Sandoval
I never planned. I never assumed that I would win with the money. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't go on that. I just went on that show to have fun.
[69:57]
Unknown
Yeah.
[69:57]
Tom Sandoval
And to, like, contribute.
[69:59]
Unknown
Yeah. You saying women are more likely to be cheaters was a moment. Was a moment. That's a Freudian slip.
[70:08]
Tom Sandoval
It was not a Fredian slip. That's not like you. When you say fruity and slip. You think that.
[70:14]
Unknown
Do I know what I mean now?
[70:15]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah, exactly.
[70:16]
Unknown
You know what I mean now.
[70:17]
Tom Sandoval
Do you know what that means?
[70:17]
Unknown
I mean.
[70:18]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[70:18]
Unknown
Yes. It means, like, that you're.
[70:20]
Tom Sandoval
That I really think that you think that. Right. I don't think that at all. I just, at that point, I'm sitting there, I'm so tired. It was after the doll halls challenge.
[70:29]
Unknown
And which he gave his all. We all know.
[70:31]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. I'm exhausted. You don't sleep well at night.
[70:33]
Unknown
Yeah.
[70:34]
Tom Sandoval
And it's long days. And I just was like, I considered. I. I think low key, you know, Like, I looked at whoever the traders are as they're cheating in the game. Like they're cheating in the game.
[70:46]
Unknown
Yeah. That's why you said that.
[70:47]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. And I, I think that's okay. I didn't even know that it came out of my mouth. Like, I was like, what. What do you. What do you mean? You guys like, oh.
[70:56]
Unknown
When everyone was laughing.
[70:57]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[70:58]
Unknown
I was like, what?
[70:58]
Tom Sandoval
I said. I said traders. They're like, no, you said cheaters. I was like. I did. I was like, oh.
[71:04]
Unknown
But even that moment ended up being a funny moment.
[71:06]
Tom Sandoval
Oh, my God. Producers were like, high fiving.
[71:09]
Unknown
Oh. They thought they were like, sure they.
[71:11]
Tom Sandoval
Were in the back. I'm sure they were high five.
[71:13]
Unknown
They were like, this is TV gold. I mean, elan was pretty funny when he said when he, you know, takes your picture and he was like, the only time Tom was a faith was. Was faithful.
[71:23]
Tom Sandoval
Oh, God, yeah. Yeah.
[71:25]
Unknown
Did he inspire any stylistic future, stylistic choices for you?
[71:31]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, I. I think he's got great looks. I mean, him and his stylist, like, very creative. I love it. I love it. That's fun. It's so much fun.
[71:40]
Unknown
What was up with the name spelling at the round table?
[71:43]
Tom Sandoval
I don't know.
[71:45]
Unknown
I don't know what was happening there.
[71:49]
Tom Sandoval
I mean, it's. It's hard to remember how to spell everybody's name, I guess. There's no spell check on a chalkboard.
[71:55]
Unknown
What? How you smell, Dolores. Crazy.
[71:57]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah. Is it? It's D A, right? Dolores.
[72:04]
Unknown
Hey, that's too.
[72:05]
Tom Sandoval
It's pronounced Dolores.
[72:07]
Unknown
Well, yeah, everybody. That's crazy. If that's the crazy craziest thing.
[72:14]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[72:15]
Unknown
Well, anyway, we knew at least next show a spelling bee.
[72:19]
Tom Sandoval
Yeah.
[72:20]
Unknown
For you.
[72:20]
Tom Sandoval
They need to do spell check on those. On those little mini chalkboards.
[72:24]
Unknown
Tom Sandoval, thank you for coming on.
[72:26]
Tom Sandoval
Thanks for having me.
[72:27]
Unknown
I can't wait to see what you're going to do next. And it better be another game show.
[72:33]
Tom Sandoval
Love it.
[72:34]
Unknown
Because you thrive there. Thank you.
[72:36]
Tom Sandoval
Thank you.
[72:37]
Amanda Hirsch
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