Venita Aspen Will Not Be Pushed Out

Summary

Not Skinny But Not Fat: “Venita Aspen Will Not Be Pushed Out”

Host: Amanda Hirsch
Guest: Venita Aspen (Bravo’s Southern Charm)
Air date: December 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

Amanda Hirsch hosts Southern Charm’s Venita Aspen for a lively, frank, and wide-ranging conversation. They talk Bravo drama, reality TV friendships, handling social media hate, Venita’s experiences with castmates (Craig, Sally, Sierra, JT), and her budding romance with Carl from Summer House. Venita opens up about being pushed out of groups, tough moments on TV and in real life, and how she’s learned to protect her mental health in the spotlight.

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Segment Breakdowns & Key Discussion Points

1. Pop Culture Catch-Up & Amanda’s Observations

[00:31-05:57]

• Amanda starts with a warm, informal check-in, featuring her signature banter on year-end clichés, Pete Davidson becoming a dad, and Instagram “memories.”
• Discusses Hailey Bieber’s pointed social post about Justin Bieber’s Spotify records and her shade at Scooter Braun’s team.
• Amanda’s love for “Actors on Actors” interviews: fascination with celebrity dynamics, why audiences love seeing stars interview each other.
• Segue: “Speaking of one of my obsessions…” Amanda introduces Southern Charm and today’s guest, Venita.

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2. Venita Aspen Joins: Friendship & Real Life Behind the Show

[06:11-12:56]

• Venita chooses to stay in NYC to guest on the pod—awkwardness, champagne, and late-night adventures ensue.
• She recounts her first wild trip to The Box nightclub in NYC:

  “Front row, Boom. Penis out, vagina, titties everywhere. I was like, where am I?” —Venita [07:11]

• Venita’s close friendship with Sierra: how they met (Venita slid into her DMs, [08:32]), how Sierra is like family, and how their bond gets overlooked by viewers.
• Value of real friendships versus “show friendships.” Venita notes constant online speculation:

  “The comment that always gets to me the most is that people always say, I need real friends. And I’m like, guys, you think that I would hang around these people if I wasn’t actually, like, friends with them?” —Venita [11:28]

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3. Navigating Internet Hate & Protecting Mental Health

[09:53-12:56]

• Venita avoids social media while the show airs:

  “When the show’s airing, I'm not on social media at all. I don’t have it on my phone…I have a team that posts for me, so I just can't read or see anything that's negative.” —Venita [09:53]

• Amanda and Venita discuss how even a sea of love can be drowned by a few mean comments.
• Venita shares how deep comments about her character or “not having real friends” hurt more than surface-level critiques.

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4. On-Screen Drama: Craig, Sally, and Being Pushed Out

[12:56-18:45]

• Venita confirms Craig refused to film with her, threatening her job:

  “Yeah, he literally was refusing to film with me…that means I don’t have a job. That means I can’t hang out with my friends. That means I don’t have a platform…” —Venita [13:04]

• Describes dynamic with Craig: being sidelined for supporting Paige, feeling iced out for not “picking sides.”
• On reality TV, double standards among castmates:

  “You boys fight all the time… you come back and you guys [say] things in confessionals…Are you gonna be done with that? I’m about to be like, oh my God…” —Venita [14:44]

• Venita is candid about the emotional toll:

  “It was devastating. Like, a text message is so quick…” —Venita [56:49]

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5. Friendship, Loyalty, and “Girl’s Girl” Drama

[18:46-42:28]

• Venita deeply values her friendships and explains her protective stance with Sally (she wanted to warn Sally about Craig, not pick a petty fight).
• Discusses parties and major moments from the current season—including supporting Sally after a difficult past relationship and warning her against more heartbreak.
• Amanda and Venita analyze the “girls’ girl” label, Sally’s boy-crazy tendencies, and reality TV “friend-inflation.”
• They confront fan speculation about Sally’s intentions on various reality shows (Bachelor, Southern Hospitality).
• Reflects on spreading “tea” about castmate Molly’s vaginal rejuvenation, the ethics of gossip, and quick forgiveness when you own your mistakes ([39:01]).

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6. Past Romances, Group Dynamics & Who's Dating Who

[26:36-34:11]

• Venita clears up rumors: never actually hooked up with JT, though there was an off-camera flirtation. JT hid his real-life girlfriend from her, and the fallout was painful—he even blocked Venita everywhere.
• New romance! Venita shares a budding connection with Carl from Summer House—one date lasting five hours:

  “We actually had to be asked to leave because we shut the place down.” —Venita [31:19]

• Carl is sober; Venita is thoughtful about it, asking in advance if it’s OK to drink.
• Amanda teases, “Second date?” Venita: “Yeah, I think so.” [67:05]

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7. Southern Charm Cast Insights: Austin, Shep, Molly, and the Group

[33:11-42:35]

• Madison's protectiveness over Audrey, the Austen love triangle, and Sally’s sometimes wild confessions.
• Venita’s take on cast personalities: Shep’s unflappable confidence (“He has more confidence than I think anyone in this group…” [35:37]), the Molly/Sally animosity, and why some conflicts just don’t get resolved.
• “Accountability” is rare among the boys; Venita wishes there was more open adult conversation.
• Amanda and Venita detail literary-theme parties, “tiny butt” in-jokes, and group friendships.

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8. Life Behind the Scenes: Joining the Show & Handling the Spotlight

[48:48-53:20]

• Venita joined Southern Charm in season 7 as a “friend of,” thanks to an invite from Leva.
• She never set out to be a “star,” and struggled with online cruelty after her first full season; “I was gonna quit,” Venita confides.
• Sutton Stracke (RHOBH) gave her the encouragement she needed to stay:

  “You gotta show them that they didn’t win. So I came back.” —Venita [51:30]

• Social media strategy: Her aunt handles her accounts, she only uses Threads, and blocks toxic words.

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9. Where Relationships Stand & Looking Ahead

[54:14-59:20]

• Venita and Craig still haven’t reconciled; she’s puzzled by his lasting anger.

  “At the end of the day, whatever the issue is is so stupid. Why can’t we just get over it?” —Venita [54:49]

• Cast sometimes blocks each other, and Internet conflicts spill into real life.
• Amanda gently asks if Venita ever just approached Craig directly—she tried, but he wasn’t receptive. She notes many cast members are “afraid of Craig” (per a past Andy Cohen poll [57:48]).
• Discussion of Sally’s social media drama, Taylor’s recent “spicy” change, and tension with other castmates.

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10. Favorite Moments, Family, & What Fans Don’t See

[62:28-67:09]

• Venita’s wish for viewers: more footage of her with her mom, who brings out her playful side.

  “I wish you guys could see me and my mom together more. My mom brings out a side of me that I feel like doesn’t really come out with the group…” —[62:42]

• She’s the only Charleston native left on the show.
• BravoCon: Venita thrives on fan energy and relates a touching story of signing a fan’s collectible card and crying.
• Amanda closes by praising Venita’s resilience and teasing Venita’s “moment” on the show.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Front row, Boom. Penis out, vagina, titties everywhere. I was like, where am I?” —Venita [07:11], describing The Box
• “The comment that always gets to me the most is that people always say, I need real friends.” —Venita [11:28]
• “Yeah, he literally was refusing to film with me…that means I can’t hang out with my friends. That means I don’t have a platform… I lose so many things.” —Venita [13:04]
• “You boys fight all the time… you come back and you guys [say] things in confessionals…And I’m like, you boys fight all the time.” —Venita [14:44]
• “We actually had to be asked to leave because we shut the place down.” —Venita about her date with Carl [31:19]
• “Sutton…was like, girl, I’ve been sending you dms…You have to go back. You gotta show them that they didn’t win. So I came back.” —Venita [51:30]
• “At the end of the day, whatever the issue is is so stupid. Why can’t we just get over it?” —Venita [54:49]

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Major Takeaways

• Venita's Resilience: She’s open about the emotional impacts of reality TV stardom—both its opportunities and its wounds—and the mental health steps she takes.
• Real & TV Friendships: The lines between cast, friends, “storylines,” and real support are complicated, but authentic connections (like with Sierra) are her anchor.
• Drama and Double Standards: Group loyalty is shaky, boys’ floor for forgiveness is lower, and women are judged more harshly for the same behaviors.
• Boundaries Online: Detoxing from social media isn’t just an act—it’s been key to Venita’s survival and return to the show.
• Looking Forward: New romance, old wounds, and a hope for more real (and healed) relationships for herself and the group.

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This episode is a must-listen for Bravo fans, offering a raw, behind-the-scenes look at what it takes to survive reality TV—without losing your soul.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

[B]

Hi, my lovelies. Happy Tuesday.

[A]

It is almost the end of 2025. It is the time of year where everyone says, see you next year. If that isn't lame enough. I answer everyone like, oh, it's that time of year where we say that thing that's lame. And then it's just like a whole lame combo that I've done three times only today, and it's 11:23am Anyway, welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. I am your host, Amanda Hirsch, and tis the season. Just, just, just season. Pete Davidson is a dad. Pete Davidson is a dad. I'm very into his relationship with Elsie. I find her very intriguing. I love her accent. I think she's interesting and down to earth and chill. But she also was kind of like Playboy vibes before and like, dated some people in the industry, so she's not like, you know, she didn't plop out of nowhere. But I am. I am into her. I am into her in this relationship. I feel like he's himself. Like, he's not being this, like, Pete Davidson. It's like seen, wants to be seen, pretends to hide from the paparazzi, but it's like, you know, like, I feel like he's his true, like, Staten island mom's basement self and the fact that they named their daughter after his dad that died in 911. Scotty. I'm obsessed. I think that's so sweet. That's so heartfelt. And he's going to be the best girl dad, because us girls, I can't imagine what it's like to have a dad that's like Pete Davidson. Could you imagine, like, you just look up at him and you're like, that's my daddy. That sounds, like, sexual, but I don't mean in, like, a sexual way. I mean in, like, what is that like to have, like, a dad that's like David Beckham, like, I don't know, you know, Or Pete Davidson. Like, it's, oh, you get daddy issues and then you can't date any boys. Is that what happens? Or are you normal? I don't know. But just imagine having Pete Davidson as your fucking dad and her name being Scotty. Like, she's already the coolest person on earth anyway. Very excited, very excited for him. And it was so funny because the day that he announced this and she. She announced this and she's just so funny, I feel like, like, her announcement was like, our perfect angel girl arrived. 12 12. Scotty Rose Hewitt Davidson. My best work yet. I'm absolutely overflowing with love and gratitude and disbelief. Elsie, Wu Tang forever Pete.

[B]

Like, I love the Pete quote. Like, I love the Pete quotes.

[A]

I just, I love it all and I hope they live happily ever after. It was funny that yesterday, I love looking at my memories on Instagram. And the memory that popped up for me was literally Pete and Kim at that Staten island movie theater when they were trying to go, like, incognito, but, like, everyone knew they were there. And then they had that, like, rooftop dinner. He, like, gave her the Staten island tour. So like, four years ago. And I know I do this thing with time and I'm repetitive about it and annoying, but is that not crazy, babes? Is it not crazy? Hailey Bieber, I love when she throws a little bit of shade. She just posted that Justin Bieber surpassed 9.45 billion streams on Spotify. Blah, blah, blah. Biggest streaming year ever on Spotify for him. But then she wrote and all without his bleep bleep. So of course we went to the Internet. We're trying to figure out what that means. And that means old team, as in Scooter Braun and that whole team. So she hates them. And I wonder, I wonder what happened that she really hates them and really wants to throw shade. And yeah, I really do wonder. It is actors on Actors season variety show. And I have to tell you guys something. I don't know if it's the new me. I. Every year I think maybe last year I was kind of like, I'm over it already. And this year I feel like is the first year that I fully watched too. I watched the Ariana Grande one with Adam Sandler and the Jennifer Lawrence and Leo one. And it's just like, why are we so obsessed with watching celebrities talk to celebrities? Which that actually sometimes annoys me just because, like, of what I do, right? Like, I want to talk to the celebrities. So I just feel like it's so much. It's like easier for people to digest. Like, two celebrities talking to each other, you know? And I just wonder, like, why that is and like, what the obsession is, like, because from an honest standpoint, like, yes, J Law was very entertaining, but, like, Leo wasn't Giving. He wasn't going with her flow. She talked about drugs like, three times. She was like, knew herself. And he was like, hey, so I watched your movie this morning, but everyone's like, this was the best thing you got. I've got us because it's just like, give us two celebs and not one talking to, like, a journalist and we're dying over it. So I guess I still am the old Amanda. Like, I love it, but I'm also like, what's our obsession? What is our obsession? Anyway, speaking of one of my obsessions, I know I should win a transition award. Southern charm. I've always loved southern charm. I've been a southern charm OG. I am obsessed with it. I think the show is so good. This season is already just full of drama. And today I have on Vanita Aspen. She's in the thick of it this season. She has some drama with Craig. She has some drama with Sally. And I still have questions from last season about, like, the JT of it all. You know what I mean? I also met her at the threads event that I won't shut up about and found out that her and Sierra, such good friends, she actually, like, sleeps at her house the whole time when she's here. They're so sweet together. Sierra styled her for our pod together and she stayed for our pod.

[B]

She was supposed to leave the day.

[A]

After the threads event. And I was like, no, you have to come on. So she was like, okay, Sierra, can I stand here? Is like a fucking course. So I love that. I love that for them. I love that for us. So here's Vanita.

[B]

I love.

[C]

Hi. How are you?

[B]

So happy you're here.

[C]

Thank you so much for having me.

[B]

Thank you for coming. Thank you for staying.

[C]

I was going to say I stayed for you.

[B]

Like, literally.

[C]

You were like, yeah, get on the pod. I was like, okay, I'll stay.

[B]

No, I harassed you.

[C]

No, you did it.

[B]

Okay. No, I did, but I. Sam, I did. I was a little drunk. Like, two glasses of champagne. I'm flying.

[C]

Oh, no. I mean, I woke up the next day and I was like, what was I do.

[B]

Wait, what were you doing?

[C]

Oh, my.

[A]

Well, I kind of know what you were doing. You were out till 3:30am I heard you stayed out.

[C]

Stayed out till 3:30aM that was one of two days that Sierra and I and the gang stayed out until 3am what are you.

[B]

Kyle.

[A]

You're. We were with Kyle.

[C]

Yeah, I was with Kyle.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'll stay out. We went to the box one night. We Just had a ball.

[B]

What did you see? Like a. Oh, my God.

[C]

I had never been to the box before. And, like, we, like, walk in and I was like, oh, guys, this is like a little table. Whatever. Front row, Boom. Penis out, vagina, titties everywhere. I was like, where am I?

[B]

Right away. Right away. Yeah.

[A]

When I.

[B]

When I saw, I think like a penis. But what was crazier was, like, they tied like, something around the penis, like, maybe like a candle. And then he had to sit on a bottle and, like, get.

[C]

The guy was like, this was a Titanic scene. And he had his penis in his hand and he had white paint, and he put the white paint on his penis as it was painting a picture.

[B]

No.

[C]

The box is crazy, saying, that's my first time. But I do think I am going to go back because I had a lot of fun.

[A]

What time does it start?

[B]

Is it. It's late.

[C]

I don't think.

[B]

I'm like, could I get a 7pm Ticket?

[C]

No, that's not gonna happen.

[B]

I'm gonna be in bed by 10, please.

[C]

I don't think we walked in there till like 1:32 o'. Clock.

[B]

That's crazy. But you can handle it like a. You're young.

[C]

Yeah. I can hang out.

[B]

You can hang late.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And look awake. I feel like you're one of those people. Like, you're a morning person, too.

[C]

Okay. I made breakfast for us. The next day I saw.

[B]

Yeah. For Sierra.

[C]

For Sierra. Yeah.

[B]

Because you say you stayed at her house.

[C]

Yeah. So every time I come to New York, for the most part, I stay with Sierra.

[B]

Do you sleep in bed together?

[C]

Sometimes, but I'm a couch sleeper. I love to sleep on the couch.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Can you just come in the bed?

[B]

And I'm like, she likes to have a bed partner.

[C]

She does.

[B]

She does.

[C]

And I love to sleep on the couch. So she doesn't push too often. But every once in a while she's like, can you come in the bed? I'm like, okay.

[B]

That's so sweet. How did you become friends?

[C]

I sent Sierra a DM on Instagram in 2021. Welcome her, welcoming her to, like, the Bravo space. And like, that was it.

[B]

And she answered right away.

[C]

Yeah, like right away. Answered right away. We started hanging out probably the next year, which was fun. I came up to the summer house once or twice, and, yeah, now we're just kind of conjoined at the hip.

[B]

But how do you. How are you doing it long distance? Like Craig. Craig and Paige style.

[C]

I mean, I see her and talk to her almost every day, so.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You're a good facetimer.

[C]

I love to facetime. You love, like, being in front of people?

[A]

Like, facetime, like, the app?

[C]

No, dude, I do love to facetime. She also enjoys facetiming, too, which is cute.

[B]

I think that's so cute. Because when she came to your defense recently, this season online, I felt like people didn't know that you were friends.

[C]

Yeah. Which is so.

[B]

Right.

[C]

So wild to me because I feel like we post each other all the time. And, like, I mean, we've been hanging out consistently for almost five years. That's my girl.

[B]

No, I'm obsessed with that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I do feel like it. Like, people really love that she came to your defense in that way online, but I don't think people understood, like.

[A]

The depth of your friendship, that it.

[B]

Was like, she's not only doing what.

[A]

She feels is right, but she's also.

[C]

Like, my protecting friend.

[A]

She's protecting her friend.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How did that feel for you that you did that?

[C]

It felt good. So, like, when the show's airing, I'm not on social media at all. I don't have it on my phone.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. I don't have any apps on my phone. I have a team that posts for me, so I just can't read or see anything that's negative. So, like, why?

[B]

I mean, I assume why, but tell me, like, what led to this decision?

[C]

People are awful to me online. Like, truly awful. And I think last year it actually started to get to me, so I had to, like, vow that I would not go on social media whatsoever and look and, like, read the comments and dig through the Reddit threads, It can really just like, tear you up. Like, even thinking about the possibilities of things that people are saying about me this season, that eats me up alone. And I haven't even looked.

[B]

So it gets worse than just, oh. Whether you agree with you being mad.

[A]

At Sally or not, it's not like.

[B]

If it was that level, would you be okay with it?

[A]

Fine.

[C]

Because you know what? Like, you people are seeing things for the first time, like, whatever, have your opinions on it, and, like, I know what we're doing on the back end to, like, fix things. But, like, I mean, people just dig into, like, how I like, dress, how I act, how I'm supposed to act around this crew and this cast, and, like, that I'm ungrateful and that I only want to be one of one on my show. And I'm like, no, none of that is true. It's Bad dude.

[B]

I'm sorry. I am on the side of the Internet where I feel like people really love you.

[C]

I love that. I love that.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Not in my own personal comments and DMs, though.

[B]

Sometimes you get to, like, the worst.

[A]

Part of the Internet, you know, or.

[B]

You know how it is. You'll see, like, 100 comments of, like, we love you, but one of, like, I hate you, and you're like, you.

[C]

Know, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard. Or like, someone would just say, like, the. The comment that always gets to me the most is that people always say, I need real friends. And I'm like, guys, you think that I would hang around these people if I wasn't actually, like, friends with them?

[B]

Also, like, even if you weren't.

[C]

Yeah. That's such a rude thing to say.

[B]

That's a rude thing to say. And even if you weren't, it's like, how much reality TV do you watch, you guys? Or the hater that is saying this?

[C]

Right?

[B]

Like, we know actually know they're not friends. Like, a lot of housewives that they throw together.

[C]

Yeah. Like, we are. Like, our cast is actually a group of friends. Like, they had. And I was so sad to miss. They had a white elephant gifting yesterday, by the way. Like, we all hang out, so I don't. And people are just annoying.

[B]

You guys have a lot of parties. Like, I feel like this season, we're on episode four. Like, every episode it's a party is a party.

[C]

Yeah, every episode's a party.

[B]

Literally every episode is a party. But for people that don't know, I'll just. I'll just let everybody know about what.

[A]

Sierra did for you.

[B]

And coming. Coming to your defense, because the fight with Sally, we could look at it just as, like, you know, it's just two girls fighting. That's it. You could decide team what? Team what? Right. But I'm assuming it got uglier. But she was really criticizing, you know, people, because I think sometimes we're watching.

[A]

Reality TV is, like, it is what it is.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Sierra was kind of digging deeper.

[C]

Like, it goes beyond that.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And, like, the people are so quick to comment on what they see as the surface of what we're doing, and, like, it really goes deeper than that.

[B]

So when she was saying that Craig.

[A]

Like, is trying to push you out.

[B]

To not film with you, is that what you felt was true?

[C]

Yeah, he literally was refusing to film with me.

[A]

And that means you're out of a job. Right.

[C]

That means, like, that means I don't have a job. That means I can't hang out with my friends. That means I don't have a platform to show up to. Like, I lose. I would lose so many things. You know what I mean? And that's just really mean.

[B]

Obviously choked up. She's no my love.

[C]

No. It's just so mean. You know what?

[B]

Like, it is so mean. By the way, a lot of shows where the drama gets bad.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You'll have these moments where it's like, what do we do?

[A]

They won't film together.

[B]

And then it's like, you're fud.

[C]

Yeah. I don't think I'm. I shouldn't say. I don't think I'm hopeful that I'll never get that bad. But I just. What's the point of refusing to film with someone?

[B]

But that's what you understood that he was doing. Yeah, because of the fact that you said team Page.

[C]

Yeah, I don't understand it. And, you know, I used to. And I said. I've said this before. I used to root for Craig. Like, I was team Craig.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like. Because I made a decision to, like, be team Paige and be on the girl side of things when the breakup happened. Because again, now, as the world knows, Sierra and I are very close. That means I was close with Paige. Not like, super, super close, but close enough.

[B]

But, like, she's a good friend. And she's her good friend. A B equals C. Thank you.

[C]

So I was just like, okay. Like, obviously, I'm gonna stand up for Paige, take her side. I see her more, I talk to her more. Craig never really made any effort to be my friend. So it's like, why am I now supposed to just be like, oh, yeah, you're right. I don't talk to you. I don't know. It's just weird.

[B]

Also, like, sometimes with reality tv, it's like, people need to be more consistent because, like, what Austin says about him, let's say.

[A]

Or what Shep says about him. Right.

[B]

And then it's like you said, I say one thing. The like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's the worst thing you said.

[A]

Like, yeah, he's enjoying the attention or.

[B]

Milk and the breakup, and it's like, it's over.

[C]

It's, oh, my God. She said the worst thing in the whole world. And I'm like, you boys fight all the time. And, like, you come back and you guys.

[B]

These things in confessionals, like, Rodrigo just said about you that you're a shady bitch. I think, like, Are you gonna be done with that?

[C]

I'm about to be like, oh, my God. I would be like, oh, my God. You just said that. I was.

[B]

No, by the way, I rewound. I was like, wait, did he just say shady bitch?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a little spicy sometime, you know, like, he calls me out on things that no one else would and, like, says things like that. And I do the same with him. So it's like, okay, I have an understanding of, like, you know what? That's how you felt in the moment. You can have that. I'm not going to be like, oh, my God, I hate you now. I'm going to be a little upset. Yeah, I could be.

[B]

Like, when Sierra came to your defense online and said that, do you feel like that helped people put things into perspective?

[C]

Yeah, I think it helped people understand it on a different level. A thousand percent. And I texted Ciara shortly after I saw it and I was like, thank you for speaking because in moments like this, I choke on words like, I don't know how to.

[A]

So you didn't know she was going to do that?

[C]

No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I saw it online for the first time just like everyone else did while it was happening.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I think it even helped me because.

[A]

I was focusing on your fight with Sally.

[C]

Yeah, I think everyone was right.

[B]

And I was like, one of the people. Like, I'll be honest with you, I thought in my mind, like, wait, but what does she care? Like, so, right. Chris doesn't like you. Like, if you're looking at like that without the context.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You're like, Craig is mad. You said some. So you guys don't like each other and she wants to hook up with.

[A]

Him and you're friends with her, right. And you're being like, don't hook up with him.

[B]

He doesn't like me because I said the thing. Then it's like, do you understand what I'm saying? Like, there's a way in which you could be like, oh, like, what does Vanita care if she just like, why.

[C]

Am I so concerned who Sally's with?

[A]

Right?

[C]

But when you care about somebody and you love somebody, you don't want to see them be hurt.

[B]

So tell me about those feelings, like, with Sally, like, why you felt that so strongly.

[A]

Read the Craig situation.

[C]

Because, like, Sally and I are really close. And at that time we were like, thick as thieves. You know what I mean? And it was just like, okay, I've seen her, like, date a couple people and I was just like, I don't want her to fall for someone that I know is not. It's a bad egg.

[B]

Oh, that was it.

[C]

That's it.

[B]

I thought you were mad at her because you guys didn't like each other.

[C]

I mean, I, like, I was upset that she was wanting to go after a man that, like, was so happy to go publicly and be like, I could never be friends with someone like that. But, like, at the end of the day, unfortunately, I was just like, whatever. I'm not gonna. I'm just gonna ignore that. I still don't want this girl to be hurt by somebody that doesn't deserve her time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know?

[B]

No, because I'm like, episode four. Episode four?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Last episode I watched. You're at his pool party.

[A]

Another party. You came.

[B]

Tell me about the decision to go to the party.

[C]

I'm always the bigger person.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

As Sierra says, we always have to be the bigger people in these situations. So, yeah, I was the bigger person that came to the party, and I brought a gift. I brought towels for everybody. I was just like, you know what? I'm going to do it, and I'm going to show up and have things for everybody at this party. And I just. Yeah, I had to be the bigger person.

[B]

Did it feel good that he this time extended an invite when you thought he wasn't gonna.

[C]

Oh, he'll always extend the invite.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Yeah, he'll always extend the invite.

[A]

So that.

[C]

Yeah, that didn't feel like anything special. Sorry.

[B]

No. Because I know we were talking about how you were feeling, like maybe he.

[A]

Was, like, pushing you out. Yeah.

[C]

But that didn't come until. That doesn't come until really. Till later on of understanding that. Yeah.

[B]

Reality tv. And the timing.

[C]

Yeah, the timing. Yeah.

[B]

Way to get. Okay, so at this point, you're, like, not great, but still extending invites.

[C]

Yeah. Like, we're still cordial.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You know, at this point.

[B]

So what we're talking about comes later.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That.

[C]

He just.

[A]

We don't know why that happens yet.

[B]

Is it about the Sally stuff?

[C]

I have no idea. I wish I could sit down and ask him if I'm being honest. Like, hey, like, why are you so mad at me?

[B]

You don't know.

[C]

To this day, I just assume it's always the page stuff. Like, and if that's still. And if that's it, then, like, we have got to move on from that.

[B]

We have got to.

[C]

We've got to move on from that.

[B]

So you left the party. You gave him a kiss.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Then you said something to Sally.

[A]

Like, you know, and she was like, wait, you're gonna give him a kiss and not say bye to me?

[B]

Tell me about that.

[C]

I had to give her a little poke back.

[B]

You. So you. I feel like you were. You were the feeling.

[C]

What did Ron say? Shady bitch. I was feeling a little shady.

[B]

I mean, with Sally this season, there is a lot.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Like, yeah, there's a lot going on. It's like, it kind of came all at once, you know, because last season, she had, like, a boyfriend. Yeah, she.

[C]

She had a boyfriend last season, and he was not the nicest person to her. Like, kept her in the house. She couldn't eat certain foods.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Like, had her working out all the time, which is fine to a degree. Like, let you know you want to encourage your partner to work out and be healthy. But, like, she didn't drink.

[B]

That guy with the little ponytail, that little. What? I like.

[C]

Man bun with no shoes on his feet. You know what?

[B]

It's the man bun. Beware of the man.

[C]

Everyone. Everyone fell for the man. For the man.

[B]

You fall for the man bun in it. It gets you.

[C]

Like, you have a man bun. You surf, you look hot. Like, whatever.

[B]

So he sucks, Basically.

[C]

Yeah. He's not good. So I've seen her go through being with someone that she thought that she was, like, so in love with and so happy with. Hurt her once. And then just the thought of, like, having to walk through that with her again as her friend was just like, okay, we can't do this again. Like, open your eyes.

[A]

Because you're sure, like, Craig is not.

[C]

Not for her?

[B]

I mean, he's not for. He. He's not.

[C]

I don't know who he's for, but I don't think he's for her.

[B]

He's deaf. So. Okay. No, watching it, I'm like, you know that movie. He's just not that into you. Yeah, it's that movie.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's there. It's not, like, behind the scenes. Like, he's blatantly not.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And sometimes us girls could be blind.

[C]

Right? And I was trying to help her open her eyes and, like, just see. Hey, listen, like, I know you're into him, but I don't, like, literally. I just don't think he's that into, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Did she. Could you tease if she, like, opens.

[A]

Her eyes throughout the season?

[C]

I'm like, I think at the time that she decides to start opening her eyes is too late.

[B]

Do you think he's into Charlie?

[A]

Way More than he's into her.

[C]

Yeah. A thousand percent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And everyone could see it, right?

[B]

Not just, like, the viewer.

[C]

Yeah. And, like, I don't know, he was just, like, treating her differently, talking to her differently. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I was just like, sally, you're not getting that same attention from him. So, like, why are you still trying to go after him?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you ever hook up with anybody in the group?

[C]

No, I'm the only one I feel.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. Besides 11. But she's not here anymore, right?

[B]

Yeah. And you guys were really close, right?

[C]

Yeah, I was sexing her earlier, actually. I love her. She's sweet.

[A]

We'll be right back after the break.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[B]

So you didn't hook up with anybody aside from jt?

[C]

I didn't hook up with jt.

[B]

There was never a hookup.

[C]

No. Everyone kept saying that.

[B]

Like, maybe we thought hotel room.

[C]

Yeah, but I'm just not that type of girl. Sorry.

[B]

So, okay, so never even any. Any. Nothing, Anything.

[C]

I barely kissed that boy.

[A]

I had a lot of questions last season, babe, about that.

[C]

I know you did. Everyone. Every time I see people that are like, what about you and Jake? No, like, oh, why?

[B]

Everything about it, he's. First of all, it came out of nowhere where you were like, I really like him. Like, I was like, wait, rewind, wait, wait. So can you just. For me and the fans of the show and the listeners, like, like, recap the JT stitch for us from last season? Yeah.

[C]

Okay. So JT and I. I'm trying to think. We did our first appearance, I think was Watch what happens live. And like, from that moment, we kind of just like clicked like we were.

[B]

She couldn't help herself. You.

[C]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like, he was irresistible?

[C]

I mean, a little.

[B]

Okay, you know what? I never, never met him.

[C]

So, no, I shouldn't say irresistible. But, like, he was just. I just saw a side of him that I hadn't seen before. I was okay. Like, I like that. And then, like, I kept seeing that side of him as long as cameras were down. But when cameras are up, he became a completely different person. But of course, I was advocating for my off camera little flirty love affair situation, and that didn't work. He literally had a girlfriend the whole.

[B]

Time that you didn't know about?

[C]

No idea. Had no idea. And, like, I knew a lot of things.

[B]

Like, you were friends with him, like.

[A]

To him on the phone.

[C]

We did. We did walks in the morning on the battery. Like, it was like I saw him almost every day.

[B]

So he kept a huge part of.

[A]

His life away from me.

[B]

Why?

[C]

I have no idea. And I feel like he knows that. Like, if he told me he had a girlfriend, I'm like, okay, cool. Like, whatever. Like, I'll just back off.

[B]

So do you think he wanted, like, what was his motivation?

[C]

I don't think I. I don't think he understood who he liked more. And he was trying to, like, weigh his options, but I don't think the other girl was having it. I don't even remember her name.

[B]

Did you realize, like, that your feelings for him? Because I feel like at the point of the reunion, you were, like, actually really hurt.

[C]

Yeah, I was devastated. Yeah. It wasn't some. Like, everyone was like, oh, this is just a storyline. This is a plot. I was like, babe, you think I would put my heart on the line for a story line? I said, I'm not. No, I would never do that. But, yeah, I was devastated because I was just like, okay. Like, he was at the time. He was one of the people I was the closest to on the cast, you know, like, again, talking every day, going on walks, hanging out all the time. And, like, I was like, oh, I think I like him. Like, I hadn't liked somebody in a long time. I was coming off of the fact that my ex boyfriend literally cheated on me with someone else and then moved to New York. It was like, a whole thing. So I was like, okay, finally, I'm just gonna, like, let my heart be open. And then, boom, slap in the face.

[B]

Do you talk to him still?

[C]

Oh, no, I'm blocked on everything.

[B]

He blocked you?

[C]

He blocked me? Yeah, on everything.

[B]

Why?

[C]

I have no idea. Like, I wish I could answer some of these questions for you a little better.

[B]

Like, you think, like, his girlfriend asked him to do it?

[C]

I don't even think they're together anymore. Huh. Yeah.

[B]

And if he came a knocking.

[C]

No, no, absolutely.

[B]

But you're, like, attracted.

[C]

Not anymore.

[B]

Okay. You were.

[C]

I was, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. He didn't come off good on the show. No, he wasn't, like, good with anyone. He should have at least kept his relationship with you.

[C]

I was gonna say I was the only person left that I felt that he was, like, good with. Like, he messed up his relationship with Taylor. He didn't have a great relationship with Craig. The boys are kind of, like, iffy about him, but they were trying, you know, like, Jeff and Austin and, like, it just.

[B]

So who are we hot for now?

[C]

Me too. Stop it.

[B]

Are you gonna say it?

[C]

I mean, Carl's cute.

[B]

A Who?

[C]

A who? Now I'm sweating.

[B]

But you are wearing layers. Oh, my God, she is wearing layers.

[C]

And Carl's cute.

[B]

Carl from Summer House.

[C]

Carl from Summer House.

[B]

He was at the event, too.

[C]

He was.

[B]

Did you speak?

[C]

Yeah, we did. We took a very cute photo together. I haven't posted it yet, but.

[B]

Okay. We'll get around to it someday. Yeah, I will. Okay. But how did you, like, did you meet him? Like, because of Sierra. What's going on?

[C]

So, yeah, I met him because of Sierra. But I feel like what really kind of sparked everything is that when we did NBC upfronts last year, there was a photo of us, and our hands were just touching. And, like, mind you, I'd never, like, really thought anything about him until that moment. And then the Internet blew it up. They were like, oh, my God, like, they're dating or this or that. And we just kept, like, being cheeky with each other and joking about the, like. Oh, they like the photo. Yeah, they're like, oh, my God. Like, they think we like each other. Yada, yada, yada. And we have now gone on one date. Yeah. Yeah. Which is very nice. We went to software, of course, first, and I got to see that whole experience. And then we went to dinner at a Mexican restaurant around the corner, and we actually had to be asked to leave because we shut the place down.

[B]

No. What? You spoke until, like, so late?

[C]

Yeah, I think it lasted for almost five hours. Like, we were together the whole day for about five hours. Yeah.

[B]

When was this?

[C]

Two weeks ago.

[B]

Oh, wait, so this is new?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I love it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he's so sweet. I also got to talk to him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And he. I also told him, like, in the summer house trailer, he looks better than ever.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And irl, like, he's just in the best kind of Carl phase right now.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[B]

How would you feel about dating somebody sober?

[C]

That's fine. I literally. I literally texted him before we went on the date, and I was like, hey, like, are you okay with if I drink? And he was like, well, first of all, no one's ever asked me that.

[B]

Second, that is really sweet.

[C]

Well, you know, like, I'm fine to, like, not drink. And if someone's trying to date someone or get to know someone better, they might not want their partner to drink. So I was just like, oh, let me ask, like. Because I could just not be fine.

[B]

Yeah, but did you drink?

[C]

I had one margarita that lasted me the whole night.

[B]

The whole five hours.

[C]

Because I was like, let me just make sure I drink slow. I don't want to drink too much. Like, you know, like, I make a.

[B]

Baby at the summer house.

[C]

I mean, I know that. Like.

[B]

Like, you know, what he sees, I mean, and what he's around. Like, he. If he's tested for anything, it's at the summers. Wait, I ship. How do the kids go? What is the. I share. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

He's sweet. So we'll see where it goes, you know?

[B]

Did you go to the house at all in the summer?

[C]

No, I haven't.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

No, I haven't gone. Yeah. The first time I went to the summer house, I think, was in 2022. I think Sierra invited me, and it was Kyle's birthday, and it was like a western theme. It's actually my contact photo for Sierra, and that was our first photo.

[B]

Do you like their themed parties?

[C]

Oh, my God, they're so fun.

[B]

You love that. The theme.

[C]

I can't handle theme park. I love a theme party. And, like, I just feel like they do it so well. Like, they. Everyone just kind of goes all in.

[B]

No, the themed party in Southern charm, the literary figures.

[C]

Oh, my God. When Madison dress up a ship.

[B]

Amazing. But I'm thinking of Austin as, like, Hermione, and they're fighting, and he's with his little headband. It's so cute on him, though. It's actually good luck.

[C]

Yeah, the headband was cute on him.

[B]

So that explosive fight.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Thoughts with Austin and. And Craig, and then Shep got into it.

[C]

So I actually. I'm trying to remember. I think I was actually in the kitchen when the majority of this was going on.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I think Austin is just kind of getting tired of Craig. Yeah. And, like, feeling like he has to always defend himself against him. Like, Austin is. From what I'm, like, learning about Austin, like, Austin just seems really down there cool. And, like, you can say anything to him. You can talk about anything and just be over it. Like, there's no need to keep fighting. But I don't think Craig's into that.

[B]

They have, like, you know, in a relationship just becomes toxic.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's a toxic friendship.

[C]

Yes. On the surface, I think they're great. Like, go out and have a drink.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Go home, whatever. But, like, them trying to go any deeper than that at this point, I don't think it's worth it.

[B]

But I wonder what it is. Like, is somebody jealous of somebody? Like. Or is it all the time? Like, he wants what he has and now he wants it? Because I think I feel like it's right. I think that Austin is feeling a little like. Because he does keep on making, like, snark comments, like, you're going out the hot tubs, the this, that. So, I mean, snarky comments are fine. You don't need to explode over them. And Craig, like, literally throw him under the bus.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Big time. And with the Chep thing and everything. And now Austin is contemplating those friendships.

[C]

I mean, as he should.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, you can't call that somebody like that your best friend. And, like, they just talk about you like that in that way. And there's like, no. There's never a resolve. You two can never come to any type of resolution resolve. Like, that's just not good. It's not healthy.

[B]

And there's never, like, a true. Like, how do you guys like to say?

[C]

Accountability. Yeah. No one. No. No one's ever being held accountable. Yeah.

[B]

But I feel like Shep does really care.

[C]

He does. But I think also Shep is just at a point where. At a point where he's just like, like, what else can I do at this point? You know? He's like, can we just stop fighting and have fun? Like, Shep literally just wants to have fun all the time. He's like, can we not fight?

[B]

He is killing me, though, that he, on one hand, wants to hook up with Charlie. On the other hand, he, like, put on that weird speedo at Craig's party. And I'm like, either. Because you guys were saying, like, he's so confident. But I'm like, either he's confident, or it's like, no, he's confident. He's confident.

[C]

He has more confidence than I think anyone in this group, if I'm being very honest.

[B]

Really? Yeah.

[C]

Like, he just does what he wants unapologetically. He doesn't care.

[B]

And if somebody. If a girl wants to go with him, fine, great.

[C]

If not, great.

[B]

Somebody else will want that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Little tiny butt.

[C]

This little butt.

[B]

It was the tiniest butt I've ever seen.

[C]

I just want to ask him, like, does it hurt when you say it.

[B]

With all that weight? He's so tall in that tiny little butt.

[C]

Remember when they bought him a little butt pad? Oh. Oh, you don't.

[B]

Wait, what? Is this a true story?

[C]

Yeah, I think. Was it last year?

[B]

What? The little butt is a thing?

[C]

No, like, he. They gave him a butt pad. The boys, Austin and Craig.

[B]

Why?

[C]

Because he has no butt.

[B]

Wait, I thought. I just. I thought this was groundbreaking news that I was saying.

[A]

It's a thing.

[C]

It's a Thing.

[B]

I can't believe they got him. I cannot. Okay, wait. I'm dead now. I'm just back on that. The Speedo, they also zoomed in. Bravo zoomed in. I saw the hairs around the. This, like, it was just. There's a lot of zooms.

[C]

There's a lot of zooms. And he's confident, and we love that.

[B]

He is really confident. What do you think of Corey with a K?

[C]

It's cute.

[B]

Yeah. Did you flirt a little bit? Molly was flirting.

[C]

Yeah. That's why I didn't want to flirt too much. I was like, let me just. I said, oh, Molly likes it. More love. So let me just step away.

[B]

Molly seems great.

[C]

Molly's great. I love Molly.

[B]

She's really sweet.

[C]

She's like. She's down to earth. She's easygoing, and I. It's been fun to see her get out of her show more.

[B]

I feel like last year she was.

[C]

A little bit to herself, a little more timid. But like, this year, like, we get to see her out more. She's drinking a little bit.

[A]

Do you feel bad.

[C]

Oh, if I was in prison.

[B]

About the repeating the vag rejuvenation story, which I can I just say, shocked me for Molly.

[C]

Molly is. Listen, Molly's a model. She's going to do the things to keep her body right and tight. Okay.

[B]

No, but, like, she wasn't giving vaginal rejuvenation to me. You know what I mean? I meant, like, a person that would, like, care about.

[C]

You could just read it from them. Like, oh, this is a type of electric. Electric eclectic. That they would go after electric. Thank you. Surgery.

[B]

They would go after. So shocking for Molly, but I love a person that, like, surprises us and. And, you know, isn't all that they seem. So she, like, plays the tuba. Has vaginal, not tuba. She's going to be mad at me. What's it called?

[C]

Tuba. It's like a tinier version of the tuba.

[B]

Euphonium. She's like, I would not date anybody who doesn't know what a euphonium is.

[C]

I say euphonium. I know.

[B]

Please. So, Molly, in what context did she tell you about the labia?

[C]

Oh, my God. I think it was just, like, a casual conversation.

[B]

Oh, it's casual.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So then you're laying, you're tanning.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You tell Sally?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's okay. We all got that.

[C]

No, it's not my proudest moment.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, it's not my proudest moment, but I know we all.

[B]

You just thought it was some Tea. Yeah.

[C]

I didn't think it was, like, something.

[B]

That was not, like, evil.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

You're just repeating tea.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

That. I was hoping that the tea would not be repeated again.

[B]

And she. Who did she repeat? The Tito.

[C]

Who does she not?

[B]

And by the way, I get it. Like, I get. I get the repeating the tea.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's. It's hot tea.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

To a friend to be like, oh.

[A]

My God, she got this thing.

[C]

Yeah. But, like, I wasn't expecting it to.

[A]

Go outside of the conversation to men.

[B]

I feel like that's where it is. It's like, to tell other girls in the key key. It's like, oh, my God, I did this. Oh, what does it look like?

[C]

And we can all chat about it. We can ask her questions. Because I do have a few questions. Molly and I will be asking them.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know, it's just like, you want to keep guys.

[B]

Like, you're like, I don't need them knowing what's happening down there.

[C]

No. And, like.

[B]

And the guys all know now.

[C]

Yeah. Which, like, makes me feel bad because I was the one that said it to Sally, and then Sally brought it to everyone else. And then, like, you know, I just feel really bad about it because I just thought it was like. Like harmless. I'm talking to my girlfriend.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Let's keep it here.

[B]

But Molly, I feel like, was quick to forgive you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It was kind of like, I love Vanita and.

[C]

Yeah. And I appreciate that. And I think she was quick to forgive me because I wasn't. I didn't lie. I was just like, yeah, I did say that, and I'm sorry. And I said, you do have the right to be mad at me, and you can't be mad at me. Like. And I just have live with that for however long until you choose to forgive me. You know?

[B]

Like, why do they, do you think, hate each other so much?

[C]

I have no idea.

[B]

Like, if. By the way, Molly got saucy quick, I feel like she put Sally, like, so in her place or whatever that Sally was literally, like.

[C]

Sally was shocked.

[A]

She was shocked.

[C]

Yeah, she was shocked. I. I don't know. I literally don't know. Like, if I'm being very honest, I just don't know why those two don't get along.

[B]

Is one not a girl's girl?

[C]

Oh, my God. You know what? I'm not speaking on that, because so help me God, I. Sally has already been like, oh, like, why did you say that? That's not nice, and I apologize for it. But a Few days ago, she put on her Instagram story, hanging out with girls. Girls. Like, babe, pick a side. Like, you beat me, not beat me up, but, like, you made me feel awful for saying that, and I apologize for it and said I can clean it up, I can do whatever, speak to it and make sure that's clear. And then you post it on your Instagram stories. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, right. Because you said that it's all clocking now. You said that you might not be a girls girl.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, who is at this point? Because, like, Charlie is dating the guy that cr.

[C]

That this group is hard.

[B]

Right. I mean, I don't know. And she's basically like, whatever. You know, everyone dates everyone in Charleston. Like, that's the vibe. But, like, she's her good friend.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like, does that, like, girl, like, does that not hurt your feelings things? Does it not make you feel weird?

[B]

Are they pretending to not know about each other or. They know.

[C]

They know. Like, they know.

[B]

Are you friends with Charlie?

[C]

Yeah, I am.

[B]

She's sweet and with. And where do you stand with Sally now?

[C]

We're working on it. We've gotten better. The girls girl thing really kind of threw us for a curve again. But I did my due diligence to apologize, but, you know, just one day at a time.

[B]

Like, she's a little boy crazy, maybe.

[C]

Yeah, she's.

[B]

Remember Sheena called herself boy crazy. I think she. Yeah, she, like, leaned into the boy crazy word.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I. You know what? Sally likes boys. She has said it herself to me. She was like, yeah, sometimes I do get a little crazy over boys. That's fine. Just own it.

[B]

But what about the whole, like, what do you say to fans of the show that are like, wait, she was on the Bachelor? She was on the Lovers show.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Southern hospitality. Yeah.

[B]

Like, is. Is it a person that really wanted to be on tv? No matter what, does it.

[A]

Does it feel like that she wants.

[C]

I think she wants to be on tv. And, like, I don't mean I'm like, a snarky way. I just say she wants to be on tv and she's finally found her footing, I think. But I haven't really asked her personally about her all those things. Like, I watched her little clip on the Bachelor, Red or the Bachelor. I've never watched the Bachelor. I'm so sorry.

[B]

She wasn't the Bachelorette.

[C]

Thank you. She was the bat. She was on the Bachelor. Okay, got it.

[B]

Imagine, like, she was the full Bachelorette.

[C]

That's when the girl is the one Picking the man.

[B]

Okay, she was one of the girls.

[C]

She was one of the girls.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, but, like, I just, I saw a little clip of her, like, getting in a fight with someone on the beach, but other than that, I just don't ask her about it.

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[B]

How did you get on the show?

[C]

Love. Love brought me on as her friends of five. Oh my God. Five years ago. That was crazy.

[B]

It was season what, seven?

[C]

Yeah, season seven. Yeah.

[B]

So she was like, should you show interest? Like, how did it happen?

[C]

She sat me. My friend Anna, who I wish would do it with me. If you're listening to this, please. She sat myself, Anna, my other friend Megan and miss one other girl who I can't remember. She sat us down at lunch and she was like, you know guys, I just got this cool opportunity to like be on the show and I'd love for you to join us. And I was just like, okay.

[B]

Did you have any like, you were doing like influence?

[C]

I was doing like fashion and clash and influencing. I've been doing that for probably five years or so prior. I've been in the game for, as an influencer for a long time.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

Yeah. Like back when like I was posting on a blog every day. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, wow. And now blogs are coming back around.

[C]

Blogs are coming back again. Yeah.

[B]

So she offered this to you? Did you see it? Like, you were like, oh, my God, like, star eyes. Like, this is an opportunity.

[C]

I was just like, it's so cool. Like, when am I ever going to be able to do something like this again? And I truly did not expect to get a call from the network to be like, hey, we would love to interview you for a full time position. And I was just like, oh, okay.

[B]

Did it switch to full time the following year?

[C]

Yeah, the following year. So first year I was friends out. The following year I was a full time cast member.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

No, not crazy.

[B]

I. First of all, I'm such a fan of the show. Like, I think I told you when we met, I was like, like, there are a few shows that I'm like, Thick and Thin and Southern Charm. Just one of them.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, it's a good show.

[B]

It's such a good show. And this season, by the way, yeah, I mean, it's spicy, like. And by the way, I don't know who edits those, like, coming scenes, but every coming scenes, I'm like, oh, like.

[C]

The little, like, six minute, like, yeah, cancel.

[B]

Like, you know how Peacock has this, like, pop up of, like, go, No, I don't want to go to the next episode. I want to watch this whole teaser clip.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you. So anyway, so the show, it's been five years.

[C]

I've been on for five years. It's wild. I don't. I didn't think I was going to make it. Like, after my first year full time, that's when I really saw, like, how cruel people could be. Like, from an online standpoint, I was like, oh, no, I can't do this again. And you know who got me to do Stay? Sutton. I ran into Sutton for the first time ever in the Charleston airport. I was flying back from New York to Charleston, and she was on our flight and I was too nervous to speak. And then finally at baggage came, I was like, hi, Sutton. Like, I'm a big fan. She was like, girl, I've been sending you dms. Have you not been seeing them this whole time? She had been DMing me. I had no idea. And I told her about, like, how I felt and, like, how I was, like, kind of nervous to go back. I kind of felt defeated. And she was like, no, you have to go back. You got to show them that they didn't win. So I came back.

[B]

Really? You had thoughts of, like, oh, too much for me.

[C]

I was gonna quit.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

Yeah. My Brain couldn't handle it. Like, the idea of, like, having this platform was, like, cool, but my mental health was just, like, not there at the time. I was like, there's no way I can do this every year, five years later.

[B]

So. But now you have a system. So the system is you go online, however you're not scrolling.

[A]

Is that it?

[C]

No, I. I literally only have one platform and his threads, and I have so many words.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, I literally only have threads on my phone and that's it. I don't have Instagram. I don't have tick tock.

[B]

Like, as the show is airing.

[C]

As the show is airing. Like, I don't have it on my phone.

[B]

I'll leave you. Give me your phone.

[C]

All right. Oh, my God, is this another phone?

[B]

Wait, for realsies? What? Somebody put Instagram back. Just kidding. What you got, like, Carl texted?

[C]

No, my assistant texted me saying, I think Craig blocked me on Instagram. What? Anyway, you can type in Instagram and see if it pops up.

[B]

No, no. No Instagram.

[C]

No Instagram. Okay.

[B]

Tells you to download it, type Tik.

[C]

Tok, see what happens.

[B]

No TikTok.

[C]

All right, threads, thread.

[B]

Promo for threads.

[C]

I have threads, babe.

[B]

People do a lot of talking on threads too. So how do you avoid the.

[C]

I have words blocked from Instagram. So all of that, like, went over to the threads account. Okay. I can't.

[B]

I still can't feel, like, a positive one for you.

[C]

Yeah. And like, anything I can't. Positive.

[B]

It's a lot of months to not have these apps. I'm like, you know, it's so refreshing.

[C]

I'm sure, like, it's so refreshing.

[B]

And you have somebody post for you?

[C]

Yeah, my Aunt Demi. She posts for me. Yeah, she's great.

[B]

So where do you. You create the content that you need on, like, a different app?

[C]

I edit everything on my phone or my computer and then I just send it straight to her and then she posted it every day.

[B]

And this has been how many years I've been doing this little trick that. That helps you.

[C]

This is my second year, but this is the first year I feel like I really haven't tried to re download the apps at all. Last year I was struggling with it a little bit.

[B]

That's why, by the way, me, like, not believing you is because, like, I could never, you know.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's. It's hard.

[B]

And I could do it for maybe 24 hours.

[C]

No, that's the worst. The first 24 hours, you feel the literal crack. You're like, oh, my God, I Have.

[B]

To check my phone. Like, do you even get the. Like, like, do you, you know when you, like, go to it and it's not there?

[C]

Like, no, I don't do that anymore. And so. And then there was a time period there where I was like, okay, well, maybe if I don't put it, like, I have to type it in to see it on my phone, like, it'll. I'll go to it. Less.

[B]

Good thing I got your number at the threads event, because if not, I wouldn't have been able to DM you. Oh, she would have told me. Oh, okay.

[C]

She, like, scrolls through my DMs and stuff to. And check. She's like, oh, so and so. Reached out to you. I'm like, okay. But yeah, no, nothing.

[B]

Wait, back to Craig blocking her.

[C]

I think he blocked me too. At one point, I had him blocked and I unblocked him. I was like, let me grow up, you know? Like, let me still try to be the bigger person, but I think he blocked me.

[B]

So you blocked him, Unblocked him.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And now you think he blocked you again? And your assistant.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That he knows he's met her.

[C]

I don't know if he's met her, but I feel like he's.

[B]

You know what somebody. When somebody. Let me just give you guys a life hack.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or a pro tip, rather.

[B]

If you think you're blocked, you are. You know, when you start doing, like, trials, you're like, wait, let me see. Wait. You check if you see. And it's like, you're blocked.

[C]

Yeah, you're blocked.

[B]

If you think you're blocked, you're probably blocked.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. Sad. And like, I know people think it's like, I'll come across shady or, like, fake or whatever, but, like, at the end of the day, like, the. Whatever the issue is is so stupid. Why can't we just get over it?

[B]

So I don't think you come across as.

[A]

As fake at all.

[B]

I think if we go back with.

[C]

A little, like, kiss and stuff, you know, and coming with the gifts, that' I mean, you know, like, it's just such a small thing. It's like, why can't we just talk it out like two adults and be over it?

[B]

It's such a small thing. Especially in relation. The way I like to think of things is like, there is, like, real life.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And then there's reality tv, which I can attest because I've met so many of you, like, is still real life. Like, as you guys see, like, Craig is blocking your assistant.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

This is real life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

However, you guys are also making a show.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So, like. Like, you watch Housewives, Right. And it's like, she'll go and say what she told her, and if they didn't do that, there would be no conflict or drama, and that's why I'm sure they're aware of it, which is why Craig and Austin say the worst to each other.

[C]

They forgive each other.

[B]

So, like, your fight with him is like a blip.

[C]

It's a blip.

[B]

What did you say?

[C]

That I was Team Paige. That you were milking things.

[B]

It's not like you were like, he cheated on her or like, that he's.

[C]

The most awful person in the whole world. Because, like, I haven't said that. And that's.

[B]

Do you think there's a world. I'm being devil's advocate for two seconds, where he's so hurt by you saying that. That he thought you were friends or something? I'm just trying to think, like, why. Like, why hold on to it so much? And, you know, do I.

[C]

Do I think that at any point that he thought we were actually friends? No. Do I think that there might be some part of him that could be hurt? Sure. But just say that. Speak to me like an adult and tell me that. That so we can talk about it, so I can have a. I can't.

[B]

Believe you guys haven't had a conversation yet.

[C]

He denounced ever wanting to be near me or friends with me and watch what happens live. Last year, he said that he, like, I could never be friends with someone like that. Okay.

[B]

Did that hurt you?

[C]

Oh, my God. It was devastating. Like, a text message is so quick. Hey, I don't like the things that you've been saying. Do you mind if we chat about it?

[B]

Like, and he had in text video. Yeah. That is hurtful.

[C]

It's hurtful. Yeah. Because if I can, like, like, do something that, you know, I thought was, like, harmless with the whole Molly thing and talk to her and we have a conversation about it, and she's just like, listen, like, I know you didn't. You didn't mean any, like, ill intent with that, and we can be over it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

How quick that is.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like, and Molly and I were, like, basically back to. It was like, not that we really fell off, but we were back to normal right after that. Like, made a couple jokes here and there, you know?

[B]

Is there a reason why you didn't. Did it cross your mind, like, like, in the season that we're Watching to just come up to him and be like, listen.

[C]

Yeah, I. I feel like I tried. I feel like I tried to get one on one time with him throughout the season to chat about, and he just wasn't into it.

[B]

Really.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Austin says on this season that he likes is scary. Do you see that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Side.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They did a lot of flashbacks. Bravo did a lot of.

[C]

Listen.

[B]

Flashbacks.

[C]

Last year, Andy asked us. He was like, how many of you in this culture are afraid of Craig? And we all raised our hand. Friends.

[B]

Wow, that was crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In what ways?

[A]

Like, afraid of me personally, I have.

[C]

No idea because I've never been able to get close, but I just see how he talks to his people and, like, people around him. I'm like, that's just scary. Like, how do you talk to people you call your friends like that?

[B]

Yeah. People are scared he's gonna, like, flip on them and like, throw them under the bus.

[C]

Yeah. A thousand percent. It's sad.

[B]

It is really sad.

[C]

Yeah. Life's too short to be stacked and silly behind something that's so small.

[B]

Do you think he's still dealing with, like, the page breakup and.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Is that an excuse for a behavior.

[C]

No, it's not an excuse for behavior at all. Girl, you're a grown man.

[B]

No, wait, wait, rephrase. Not an excuse. But do you think that's the reasoning behind his behavior?

[C]

Yeah, I think it's a part of it for sure. Yeah.

[B]

Thoughts on Austin's girlfriend?

[C]

Yeah, she's cute.

[A]

She is really cute.

[C]

It's cute. She's sweet.

[B]

What about Sally saying she wants to Austin?

[C]

I don't think she should have said that.

[B]

That was a. That was a crazy thing to say. What about Madison telling Audrey that she said that? Savage Madison.

[C]

No, I think Madison was looking out for Audrey in that moment. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think Madison wanted to see Austin deal with any of that. And he was like, hey, listen. Madison was like, hey, listen, I'm gonna tell her this.

[B]

She literally just got up. Like, I feel like she didn't even answer. That beach party was crazy.

[A]

That was your party? No, that was her party.

[C]

Yeah. Rodrigo and I were the ones planning it all and putting it all together.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's why I thought it was your party.

[B]

Ye know, I would never be sweating on the beach for somebody else's party. Like, that's what I'm setting up. No, no, that's what I. I know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Seeing you set up on that beach, I was like, I've never I've never. Like, I hate setting up for party. Oh.

[C]

And I hate sand. Oh, I hate sand. Like, I know from the South.

[B]

You said you were sweating.

[C]

I was sweating. There's sand everywhere.

[B]

No, that alone. That alone. Helping in that way. Yeah. Wouldn't be me.

[C]

Listen, that was. That was my friend, you know, my best friend, and she asked me to help, and I was.

[A]

I was.

[C]

Was happy too. You know, everyone knows I love to throw a party and have people together and, like, ask Rod to help me with the furniture. Like, why not?

[B]

Yeah. That party was crazy.

[C]

That party was out of control.

[B]

So you think Audrey and Austin could last?

[C]

I think so, yeah. Yeah, I do.

[B]

Madison had a point, like, though, when she was like, you're getting bored a little bit.

[C]

Oh, Austin's getting bored with Audrey.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, I feel like Austin probably just does not. Not like the fact that she. They're long distance.

[B]

You think?

[C]

I don't know if Austin's ever done a long distance relationship. I think this might be his first.

[B]

I think he was saying it's weird for him that he doesn't have the feeling of, like, I'd want you to be here every day.

[A]

Which, by the way, if I would hear that with.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[C]

Would break my heart. That would break my heart.

[B]

I know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's why I'm not sure.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They're gonna stand the test of time.

[C]

I don't know. But, like, I see again, like, I have the. The.

[B]

The.

[C]

The luck of being able to see them outside of the camera and hang out with them outside of the camera. So it's like it's a whole another. Like, it's just a whole nother ball game.

[B]

Then why is no one into Whitner? So cute.

[C]

He's so cute. He's so nice.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I literally. Listen. I don't even know. Hold on. I told Rodrigo that I was like, oh, yeah, wit's cute. When we were setting up for his party, and then Rodrigo's like, oh, yeah? What about Charlie? I'm like, like, why would you do that? Here I am trying to get you to throw me a. Like, throw me a ball to this man. And you're like, oh, what about Charlie?

[B]

I didn't see you showing no interest.

[C]

I will.

[B]

You did. And vibes.

[C]

Maybe.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It's too like, he is a mama's boy, though.

[C]

That's all right. I'm a mama's girl. But not that bad.

[B]

I know. I know.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

Like, I'm a Boy, mom. And, like, would I want my son to be obsessed with me?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Would I want to date somebody obsessed with their mom?

[C]

No.

[A]

Call calling himself a mama's boy.

[C]

Like, you know, I mean, at least.

[B]

He only is very cute, by the way. This is the only negative thing I feel like I've seen.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I feel like he's just so sweet and fun and funny and, like, well traveled.

[C]

Has a Together.

[A]

Right. Has a job.

[C]

Yeah. Has a job. It's a good job, you know, Owns his own house. He's just doing well.

[B]

So were any of the girls, aside from you, feeling him?

[C]

I don't think so, no. Yeah. And we kind of said he's cute.

[B]

Is he not tall?

[A]

No.

[B]

Is that why? Oh, my God. She's into the shorties. Yeah. You're into the shorties.

[C]

I like men. I'm not gonna be like, oh, he has to be a certain height. Like, babe, like, looks fade. The way people treat you is forever. Okay. Sorry.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What's one thing that you wish we could see more of you on the show? Like, you film a lot. We all know how it is. Things get cut. I remember even Shep was on once. He was saying that, like, yeah. What's something that you wish we. We could see more of. Of your.

[A]

Of your stuff?

[C]

I wish you guys could see me and my mom together more. Oh, yeah. You know, my mom brings out a side of me that I feel like doesn't really come out with the group. And it's just like, more play. It's even more playful, more fun, and, like, we have a really good time together.

[B]

Is she around? Like, she lives close to you?

[C]

Yeah, she's from Charleston, just like me. Yeah.

[B]

You're an OG Charles, tonight.

[A]

Meet.

[C]

I'm the only one on the show that's from Charleston.

[B]

The only one. Wait, Chap, is it?

[C]

No, he's from Hilton Head.

[A]

Oh, right.

[B]

You're the only one from Charleston.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you like to remind them of that?

[C]

I love to remind them of that. Like, Whit put in a group chat the other day because I was coming to New York for work, and he was like, for neither. The show's called Southern Charm, not Southern New York. I was like, I'm the only one on the show from Charleston. I can do what I want. Like, I'm in both places. Yeah.

[B]

You're in both places?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What about Ms. Pat? Do you have any moments with her?

[C]

No, sadly, I don't.

[B]

You don't?

[C]

Yeah. We had a cute moment probably two seasons ago where we Talked about fashion and the fact that she has, like, hookups at scat and if I ever needed anything. But we just never saw it on the other end.

[B]

I love when Madison, like, fills her in.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know? Yeah.

[C]

I would love that.

[B]

JT lives in Bali now. We saw some tick tock.

[C]

You know, I know more about that man than I would like, because everyone tells me, but sure, I see. I see. That's where he is. Is.

[B]

That's where it seems that he is.

[C]

Well, good luck and God bless. Wish him the best.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Who's going to have the most to answer to at the reunion? Who's going to be in the hot seat?

[C]

Who's not going to be in the hot seat? I feel like we all kind of are a little bit.

[B]

You didn't film me yet.

[C]

Huh?

[B]

You didn't film it yet?

[C]

No, no, no. I just feel that every single person is going to be in the hot seat a little bit.

[B]

You know, you might have a moment.

[C]

Oh, a thousand percent. I'm definitely. My hands are sweating thinking about you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I'm going to be Nazi. I feel like I've been, like, cruising and all of a sudden I'm like, hey, guys, I'm here. Welcome.

[B]

But you do watch the episodes because.

[A]

We talked about not being online, but you're. You are watching.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What about Olivia and her engagement? Do you know anything about that?

[C]

No. I know they're still together.

[B]

They're still together.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

She just called up the wedding.

[B]

Were you supposed to go to the wedding?

[A]

No.

[B]

You weren't friends like that.

[C]

Not enough to be invited to the wedding, I don't think.

[B]

And Taylor.

[C]

Oof.

[B]

I kind of liked her.

[C]

I liked. And I like Taylor. I think. I don't know. There's something different about her right now, though, that I'm just not.

[B]

Something is coming out.

[C]

I don't know. She's just being a little more spicy than normal.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, who is she spicy about online? Sally of Sally?

[C]

Yeah. And, like, was under comments and talking.

[A]

I'm like, oh, right.

[C]

And it kind of just came out of nowhere. I think it was because. Not. It came out of nowhere. Someone compared her to Sally, her to Sally, and she didn't like that. And it became this whole thing. Like, Like, I mean, Sally was dealing with people, finding out where she works and, like, digging up things at her job. I mean, it was wild. Like, it went way too far. She probably is sitting on the Reddit threads or something. And this Use that. I don't know. Like. And I. It Kind of breaks my heart to see her spiraling. Yeah. Cuz it's just like, like, like right before Bravo Con, I texted her and I was like, hey, like, give me some your, like, whatever. Your workout clothes. Like, I'll wear it at Bravacon proudly. Like whatever, what have you.

[B]

That's so sweet of you.

[C]

You know, so I just. I don't know what's going on.

[B]

And did you, you.

[C]

I didn't because I didn't text her back in time because I was already. I went to Vegas like three days early.

[B]

How was Bravo Con Fab? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you get like. Because it's so funny. I like when I meet some Bravo people that go. They get like overwhelmed.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's a lot.

[B]

It's a lot of social. A lot of. A lot of attention.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Some people thrive in it.

[C]

I thrive. I had thousand percent. Yeah.

[B]

You love it. Every moment.

[C]

I love it. You know, it's just so nice to like, like see the people that support you and your fans and like, hear the stories that they have to tell you. Like, I had one woman, I think her husband made cards of all her favorite bravities and she had us sign them. And when I tell you, when she handed me that card to sign, I cried. I was like, are you kidding?

[B]

Do you practice your signature?

[C]

I practiced in my signature since the fourth grade.

[A]

Really?

[B]

See, it's always. I just feel like people that have that in them.

[C]

Yeah. I've been practicing that signature since the fourth grade. I have it down to a T. Yeah.

[B]

Thank you so much for coming. Thanks for having me. I love you. I think you're having such a great moment. I know you don't know it, but you are on the show and somebody snatched this bicoastal girl up. She cooked. She's hot. Carl Second date?

[C]

Yeah, I think so.

[B]

I think so.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you guys so much for listening.

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