WHITNEY CUMMINGS: FROM STAND-UP TO REAL-TALK

Summary

Podcast Summary: "WHITNEY CUMMINGS: FROM STAND-UP TO REAL-TALK"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Not Skinny But Not Fat
• Host/Author: Amanda Hirsch
• Episode: WHITNEY CUMMINGS: FROM STAND-UP TO REAL-TALK
• Release Date: February 11, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat, Amanda Hirsch welcomes the talented comedian and actress Whitney Cummings. The conversation promises a blend of humor, personal insights, and candid discussions about life in the spotlight.

Body Image and Postpartum Experiences

Amanda opens the discussion by addressing body image struggles postpartum. She emphasizes the importance of normalizing mixed feelings about body changes after pregnancy.

Amanda Hirsch [02:15]: "Normalize being able to feel some type of way about it."

Whitney resonates with this sentiment, sharing her own experiences of body image after having children.

Whitney Cummings [14:16]: "I like yourself if I'm not thinking about myself 24 hours a day, and an hour a day is kind of the sweet spot."

Navigating Hollywood and Current TV Landscape

The hosts delve into the current state of Hollywood, touching upon recent Bravo shows like the Rooney Hummings reunion and Madison LaCroix’s pregnancy announcements. Amanda shares her excitement about newly released shows, including Ryan Murphy's Monster and the Kardashians' sixth season on Hulu.

Whitney Cummings [28:01]: "I just find that, like, when they're like, no, no, we're gonna use this kind of bottle, you're like, okay, fine."

Whitney’s Career and Personal Insights

Whitney discusses her journey in comedy, including hosting her show Fast Friends—a fan competition series celebrating the 30th anniversary of Friends. She reflects on her early days in Hollywood, facing skepticism about her potential as a leading lady.

Whitney Cummings [57:05]: "And I would watch the show and just be like, you know, look at her and go, like, I can do this. I can do this."

Amanda and Whitney explore the dynamics of being a comedian, the challenges of maintaining authenticity, and the supportive nature of the comedy community.

Whitney Cummings [52:09]: "I think comedians have an understanding that we all benefit when one person rises."

Managing Stress and Parenthood

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on Whitney’s approach to managing stress during pregnancy to ensure her child wouldn’t be "born addicted to adrenaline."

Whitney Cummings [19:17]: "I had so much chaos in my life... I just wanted to make sure that my child wasn't born addicted to adrenaline."

She shares strategies like avoiding stressful interactions and focusing on a calm environment during her pregnancy.

Cancel Culture and Authenticity in Hollywood

Whitney and Amanda engage in a critical discussion about cancel culture, questioning its consistency and the criteria for "cancellation."

Whitney Cummings [30:00]: "What is cancelable? That's my question. That's what it seems like right now."

They examine high-profile cases and the perceived double standards in Hollywood’s response to public backlash.

Comedians Supporting Each Other

Highlighting the camaraderie within the comedy scene, Whitney emphasizes the importance of mutual support among comedians.

Whitney Cummings [52:10]: "We all help each other. We all should do this."

Amanda concurs, noting how comedians frequently promote each other's specials and projects to foster collective success.

Creating Fast Friends and Friends Trivia

The hosts discuss Whitney’s new show, Fast Friends, and its connection to the beloved TV series Friends. They reminisce about iconic moments and engage in a playful trivia game about the show.

Whitney Cummings [56:09]: "I didn't see it a bunch when it was on at the time. But later, when I started making television shows, I started meeting with Friends writers, and they were so funny and brilliant."

Whitney recounts the pivotal role Friends played in her career and personal growth, inspiring her own show’s creation.

Closing Thoughts and Future Projects

As the episode winds down, Whitney shares insights into her ongoing projects and future plans in the entertainment industry. Amanda wraps up the conversation by expressing gratitude for Whitney’s openness and humor throughout the episode.

Amanda Hirsch [65:05]: "You guys are so good about that. It's what, like, if you follow comedians, which I follow a bunch, it's like, no, you guys are always promoting each other's shit."

Notable Quotes:

• Amanda Hirsch [02:15]: "Normalize being able to feel some type of way about it."
• Whitney Cummings [14:16]: "I like yourself if I'm not thinking about myself 24 hours a day, and an hour a day is kind of the sweet spot."
• Whitney Cummings [52:10]: "We all help each other. We all should do this."
• Whitney Cummings [57:05]: "I can do this. I can do this."
• Whitney Cummings [19:17]: "I had so much chaos in my life... I just wanted to make sure that my child wasn't born addicted to adrenaline."

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Conclusion

This episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat offers a deep dive into Whitney Cummings’ life, from her stand-up roots to her experiences navigating Hollywood and motherhood. Amanda Hirsch and Whitney Cummings provide listeners with a relatable and humorous exploration of balancing personal growth, career aspirations, and family life.

Whether you're a fan of Friends, aspiring comedian, or simply interested in authentic celebrity conversations, this episode delivers insightful and entertaining content that feels like a heart-to-heart with a close friend.

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Transcript

[Whitney Cummings]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Happy Tuesday. Just feel like it's crazy times. I don't know why. I just feel like it's crazy times. I feel like February is. Is here, but I feel like March is going to come in a minute. You know, March is going to come in a minute. We're going to be in summer. I'm not summer ready. I know you can't say that. I mean, listen, for my postpartum mamas out there, you have my permission to feel those feelings and not say, like, I can't say I'm not summer ready. Like, don't put pressure on yourself. But you're allowed to feel some type of way that your body changed. And not every just, you know, thank the gods for giving you a baby. Like, think the gods are giving you a baby and, you know, all the good stuff, but you can still be like, damn, my body changed. I was so hot right before I got pregnant, and now I don't feel so hot. You have my per. Mish, you know, and obviously I do love that when I complain about it, like my friends or my sisters or whatever. Like, Amanda, you look great. You just had a baby. And I'm like, it's been eight months, but thanks. And it is hard. So normalize. Normalize being able to feel some type of way about it. And listen, that second baby, like, I'm telling you guys, Noah did not do this number on me. It's wild how, you know, what they say is so true. Every pregnancy is different. Every, you know, every post pregnancy is different. I want. If I had a third, what would happen? What would happen? Funny, we're talking about a third because I was just dming with somebody. Somebody you all know, but I won't. What did I do here? Oh, vanish mode is Sodom. I don't know why I accidentally turned on. I wrote something so good to her because we were talking about having kids and how it's hard. And she asked me if I was gonna have another one. And anyway, I said. I said, like, in my mind, I'm like, three is such a nice number, and two feels a little incomplete, or maybe a girl will come. But then I'm like, why make life harder? Lol. But then I'm like, it'll be nice when we're older. But then I'm like, pregnancy sucks. But then I'm like, lenny's so cute. But then I' birth, like, shit can go down. I should be happy. I have two healthy kids, so it's a mind fuck. Best not to think about it. Lol. So that's my vibe. That's my vibe. Anyway, regardless of that little anecdote, I feel like so much is happening in the Bravo world. Like, we just wrapped up Rooney reunion. Everyone was like, bryn is gonna leave. Because no one's, like, forgiving her the end of the reunion. They wrapped that up pretty nicely. It looked like everyone was willing to forgive. Now I'm thinking, though, maybe after that Rolling Stone article where she kind of doubled down, maybe they'll feel differently. Madison lacroix is pregnant. I'm so happy for. I'm so into her. So into her. From Southern charm and her husband. They seem so cute. I'm so happy for her and her Clear Blue partnership. I need to know how the Clear Blue deal goes down. Like, so you get pregnant, you tell your pr, and then they're like, hold on, let's you tell your team, I mean, your agents. And then it's like, wait, let's tell Clear Blue if they want to do the announcement together. And then obviously, like, obviously what's in the picture is in the first P stick. You know what I mean? I wonder if I actually used Clear Blue. I think I did because I used the stick that said, like, pregnant. It was really cool. Anyway, isn't it wild that in the same month that Alec Baldwins and Hilaria's new show, which I'm gonna call the Baldwinitos, is coming out, Hulu is coming out with a show about Helaena, the woman that was killed on the set of Rust. It's gonna be called Last Take Rust and the Story of Helaena. So, I mean, the timing is just, you know, and obviously they're gonna talk about it as well on the show. They're gonna have to talk about it. Another really cool piece of news is Addison Rae's joining the cast of the third season of Ryan Murphy's Monster, which is going to be centered on famous serial killer Ed Gain, which I'm excited about. I'm excited to see her acting again, and I'm also loving the monster installments. Speaking of Ryan Murphy, the Kardashians are back. Season six. It's on Hulu. What's so funny to me is when I post about the Kardashians. Sometimes people are like, you're the only one watching. Which I think I've said this to you guys before, but it just cracked me. I'm like, okay, I'm the only one watching. I'm the only one following. Billions of fudgeing followers and fans. It's just me. Just me. And I. I love it. I mean, I'll always love watching them. Some highlights is that Kylie is just such a vibe. I mean, I don't know. Her vibes are just vibing. I'm like, is Timmy putting the pep in her step? They brought Lamar back from the first episode. That poor guy was sweating like a. So wedding. That poor thing. He's such a little. Such a. Such a sad story. I was gonna say little sweetie. And he is. I mean, he did some horrible though, poor Coco. And I feel like she just has all these shields and shields, like, protecting her because of everything, like, dudes freaking put her through. And, you know, she's not dating. She just wants to be with her kids. And I'm sure it's like all this, like, relationship trauma. Anyway, moving on to today's episode. Super excited to have on this lady this comed end. She's hilarious. She says the wildest on Instagram, on Tik Tok on her in her comedy specials. She's always touring, so catch her on the road. Whitney Cummings, like, she is just hilarious and so jealous because she got to host this really cool show, Fast Friends, which is a fan competition series that celebrated the. The show friends the their 30th anniversary. By the way, I did some trivia for her. I was like, whitney, did you do your. Did you do your homework? Because by the way, like, I think I'd be good at friends trivia. But then they're like the real psychos that you're like, wait, you might actually be better at this than me. Anyway, Whitney is just like, you would imagine. She is wild. She is all over the place. She is just. I mean, I don't even know where our conversation went, but it was. It was a lot of fun. And it was definitely, definitely very interesting. Her shoes were off, so if you see the video, I. I didn't tell her to take her feet off the table. I. I forgot. And then I was like, oh, should I have to, like, for her? You know, I don't know if she wants her feet, like, just out to the world. But I'm glad that she felt comfortable and took off her shoes because the heels were very high. So enjoy My fascinating convo with Whitney Cummings.

[Whitney Cummings]

I've never been accused of being like, not loud enough.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So same though if you want the.

[Whitney Cummings]

Comments to be nice, I'd put it a little lower.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you. Did you ever have like a dream of being quiet, mysterious and, and like, soft spoken? Or are you good with being allowed?

[Whitney Cummings]

I can't tell if we're going, we're going. Which, by the way, did you see that happen?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which I love. Which I love for my pod. That's. Please can't tell if we're going. There's like, that's the vibe, by the way.

[Whitney Cummings]

You told me. Yes. And nothing changed. Which is the best part about it. That Ariana Grande, she was like in an interview and she was like, yeah, that's what I think. Anyway, so. And she just like went into her like, you know, did I ever dream of being like, demure, Right? No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, really? Why? I think about it all the time.

[Whitney Cummings]

I did love the movie Labyrinth. Love the movie Labyrinth. Still do. And you see Jennifer Connelly's character, she's like doing something in the woods in like a dress and she's like, really cute and like. And then she's like a totally different person. I, I like. No, sorry. I tried to sell myself on it and relate to you and I couldn't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, no, I don't want. I, I think about it because I sometimes go into like a dinner with the intention of like, today you're in the corner, you're chilling.

[Whitney Cummings]

No one puts me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're not taking over. You're not telling stories.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's not your ancestral purpose. That's not why you were put here.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then that doesn't happen.

[Whitney Cummings]

I walk into a dinner party and I'm like, I want everyone to know that if there's a fire, I'm the one to follow. I want people to know, like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you were always good with being like the loudest in the room.

[Whitney Cummings]

I just think it's exhausting to resist your nature.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Whitney Cummings]

I think it's just exhausting and like, who benefits from that, right? Like, you're this magical, powerful, funny, hilarious person. I invited you to the dinner party to kill, right? I didn't invite you to sit in the corner. That's not why you're here. Everyone else is bombing. Can you step up, please? Right, but there are times where I definitely am, like, I can't be an entertainer. But that's different, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you know, come as like there's a difference. Yeah, well, with comedians especially, which, by the way, I don't Feel with you. Honestly, I wonder what the difference is. A lot of comedians that I've met, which isn't shocking, right? Like, they're not funny in real life.

[Whitney Cummings]

Interesting.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, you came in here, you were like, joke, joke, joke, off the.

[Whitney Cummings]

And then we'll start filming, and I'm just bombing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, always. It's. No, no, no. But you're the same meaning with comedians. I'm like, I'm gonna laugh so much today. And then you're like, oh, that's not the. Okay, we're being serious, you know, and I get it. They're not on and. And they're not on.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's. There's that. And then I. I think the being on off thing, I think it's also a. What we do is sort of designed to be in front of an audience and to have that adrenaline and that connection with the audience, and doing it one on one is actually very shameful and embarrassing and feels try hard and desperate, you know? Whereas in front of a lot of people that paid to see us, it's like, I'm a clown. But if you and I are sitting here, like, the pressure for you to laugh is so intense, it will feel like an emotional assault, and I won't do that to you. The idea of just like, joke, joke, joke, you'd be like, oh, no. Like, it would be so uncomfortable for you. Don't you think?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I totally. That explanation totally makes sense. You know, it's not like they're all sad and depressed.

[Whitney Cummings]

No, we are.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. But.

[Whitney Cummings]

No, we don't for sure. But I think it's also a matter of, like, I'll just speak for myself, as I feel like I'm still learning the art of podcasting. You really understand it deeply. I'm always very confused what the listener of your like, wants. Do they want us being funny, or are they, like, at work and just kind of want you?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why do you. Why do you think about that, though?

[Whitney Cummings]

Because I'm mentally ill.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Whitney Cummings]

What is the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, I wanted to go back to that. Thank you.

[Whitney Cummings]

But do you not think you're.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't.

[Whitney Cummings]

That's probably why you're so good at it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what? No, that's not what I'm saying. It triggers me when a podcaster. And if you do this, then don't hate me. But, like. And I've done it before. I've succumbed to it. But if a podcaster is having a guest and they put up a question box and it's like, what do you Want me to ask the guest? I hate that.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what I mean? Like, no. You know what I mean?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, it's my job to come up with questions.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Or like. Or like, this isn't like a group thing, you know, it's not what you want me to ask. Or sometimes content creators would be like, what do you want to see for me? You know, you want clothes?

[Whitney Cummings]

Just a talent, a skill like you to juggling you to handle it. You to take it from here. You to earn the money that you are making off of us watching you instead of making us do your job by coming up with your questions and ideas.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But they. They want that. They want to know, should I. So.

[Whitney Cummings]

So doesn't it feel a little bit. Maybe I'm. What's the word? Do you have since you have a kid, just. You can't remember basic words? I can't function basic anything. I know. It's really.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's sometimes they. People have to, like, remind me of words.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's tricky. It's talking about it because it's like we're at a time as women, we're like, yes, women should be CEOs as long as they didn't just have a kid. Because we actually cannot remember basic. Basic words or like, what room I'm in at any given time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, your kid just turned 11 years.

[Whitney Cummings]

1 years old.

[Amanda Hirsch]

1 years old. Did you throw a huge party?

[Whitney Cummings]

No, didn't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Family thing.

[Whitney Cummings]

I just don't believe in, like, creating a stressful environment around a small child that doesn't know. That doesn't know. So to me, we just did horse ranch. I rescue horses. We're all gonna hang out. All my friends, you know, that did and didn't have kids came, but, like, it was actually kind of magical because I wasn't trying to take care of them. Like, I didn't talk to half the people that were there. Cause you're just, like, trying to make sure babies are safe around boats, you know? So it was actually kind of an interesting thing because parties are a lot for. They just feel like a lot of pressure. And we just, like, hung out. Didn't really take too many pictures. It wasn't like, get in the vest and put on the hat. Like, I was like, I'm not gonna do. He doesn't want the crown. I got a crown off Etsy. I got a hat. I got a cowboy hat. No. You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

You didn't make him do it?

[Whitney Cummings]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You didn't get the photos. Are you a little Bummed you didn't get the photos.

[Whitney Cummings]

I have chatgpt my son in a cowboy hat. Make it. Make it. I'm done. Like, sorry. We're gonna. I. I'm a fan of yours, and I love it more that I think we probably have different approaches to a lot of things.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So this is.

[Whitney Cummings]

I am just speaking for myself. She's not necessarily on board. I might be on board. I have these photos of people forcing their kids to sit on Santa's lap. To sit. Put a hat on. Like, what are we doing?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, I agree.

[Whitney Cummings]

I don't think the kid's gonna look back.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what Noah did my older son, when he wanted the spider man birthday, he wore a Batman to it. Like that. Dude, that's kid.

[Whitney Cummings]

That is so punk rock. That is so sick. He will run the world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, literally. And we lose our parents. We dressed up like we did at our house, but, like, we wore a spidey stuff. And then he is like, I want Batman. And I'm like, of course we want Batman.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, because you dressed up as spidey. You took. Wait. You dressed up as spider man? His spider man birthday.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Didn't want any of it.

[Whitney Cummings]

You're not allowed to wear the same thing as him on his birthday. He flight to weddings. He.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I might have accidentally won.

[Whitney Cummings]

Dude, I. I definitely did. I thought the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I was like, what? It's late. What? Also, I want to say something as a bride wouldn't care. Swear I wouldn't care.

[Whitney Cummings]

By the way, she's not thinking about you. Like, she didn't even if that's what.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She'S thinking about, you know? And if she's thinking that your white dress is going to sage her gown.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah. He made her sign a prenup, and she's grumpy anyway.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, I don't love it.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I love that you're a mom now. Do you feel like it brought out a different side of you?

[Whitney Cummings]

Fixed everything?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Fix it. It does kind of fix that. By the way, I had gut issues before this last pregnancy. Knock on motherfucking wood. Whoa. That's why I got pregnant. I was like, maybe it'll fix the gut issues.

[Whitney Cummings]

And it worked. Well, do you think the gut issues are scared?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, the gods are going to flip? What you said on you? Really? You're not superstitious?

[Whitney Cummings]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm like, they'll hear me.

[Whitney Cummings]

I don't think so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I am like, will you say, Henry slept so well and not be scared to say it?

[Whitney Cummings]

No, because I think that when we say positive Things like that our brain wires and we manifest the positive things. You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, that. I believe in that too, which is.

[Whitney Cummings]

Funny, which I don't know if you heard, but. Yeah, I just think that, like, not saying the positive things because we're working, we're gonna jinx it, but then we say the negative things, we're just manifesting negativity. So true, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, and I do believe in manifesting. So why do I think of it like that?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah. Or just expecting a miracle. Why not?

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it fixed.

[Whitney Cummings]

You fix everything. I mean, look, I. I'm really glad that I waited. I got pregnant at 40 years old, you know, so I can't speak for people that, you know, did it younger. And it's overwhelming and it's hard and you're, like, juggling a lot and you can't afford to get help. Whatever. I'll say, like, make that disclaimer, but for me, and I don't think it's just our business. I think, like, I was so sick of myself. Like, I. The narcissism of what we do was just plot twist, I guess. I'm not a clinical narcissist. Like, news to me as well. But, like, I just, like, you know, I realized, like, my self esteem was so low because I was thinking about myself all the time. Hey, guys. Hey, guys. Like, subscribe. I mean, it's just like, so for me, I realized, like, I like myself if I'm not thinking about myself 24 hours a day, and hour a day is kind of the sweet spot, you know, it's such a relief to be able to, like, not have to think about myself all the time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's true.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know, it fixed a lot of, like, body stuff, you know, I, like, am obsessed with my body. I don't think about what I eat all the time, the way that I used to. Thank you. I do take metformin, you know, which I feel the need to say. And I'm also. Metformin is. It's a diabetes medication where the side effect is that half the incidences of cancer, like, good for your skin, you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

End up like, what's the cancer part? Would you say the.

[Whitney Cummings]

In the studies, by the way, don't get me started on studies. I have notes and issues for all of them. But in a study that seems pretty reliable, the people that took it had half the incidences of cancer because you're not processing sugar. And cancer feeds off sugar. I'm a doctor. I'm a scientist. Google it. Wait, I went to Alex Jones Medical School.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So you started taking it because of.

[Whitney Cummings]

I started taking it a couple of years ago. Just longevity stuff. Dr. David Sinclair, who wrote the book Lifespan, who talks about just sort of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, he recommends this.

[Whitney Cummings]

You can change your biological age with a couple of things. NAD and metformin.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You do this NAD thing, the iv.

[Whitney Cummings]

I don't do the IV as much. I do it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You take the supplement?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, I take True Niagen.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And is it I. I heard from someone that does IVs that it makes them feel a little sick.

[Whitney Cummings]

The IVs are a horror show. They're super uncomfortable. I think a lot of people though, they want from their self care, high performing health stuff. They're a little masochistic about it. They want to like sit in ice baths and they want a needle. Like, you don't have to do it that way. But like if you want a good picture for Instagram or you have to make it like a saga, go for it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I just said yesterday I posted a photo being like, I promise you guys, if I get a mansion, there won't be a sauna and there won't be a cold plunge. I do have one in your house.

[Whitney Cummings]

Well, I grew up poor, so I was cold plunging my entire childhood. Like, I don't. I've only had cold water. So this whole thing where rich people are like, I'm going to be poor for two and a half minutes. Like for Instagram, I'm like, cool. The look, love Andrew Huberman. He's a good friend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He even. Oh, he started it.

[Whitney Cummings]

Well, no, he just like talks about, I mean, Rogan and all these guys, Goggins. Like, all you guys with your. I love that men have eating disorders now. It's kind of amazing. They're like, I mean, I only eat meat and kale and like those sugar and I'm gonna get fine. This I just, I do believe. And Huberman talked about this. If this stress caused by getting in the ice bath is extreme, it undoes all the benefits because stress is the worst thing for you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know, sauna. I do like though. You do. It helps me with stretching and I think it's good for my skin, personally.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, your skin, I've seen changes.

[Whitney Cummings]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And how is the pregnancy for you?

[Whitney Cummings]

I do all the things. I don't want to sound like this person.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh my God. You. It.

[Whitney Cummings]

I didn't love it. I just was 40 when it happened. I think I was just so grateful that I got to do it. And by that time in your Life. You are so. You know, I've been into Hollywood for 20 years. My tolerance for pain is. And discomfort is just so high. Like, I'm a touring female comic. Like, I'm like. I flew middle seat on Southwest for 17 years. So I, like, I. You know, it was definitely uncomfortable. I think the hardest part for me was having. I made a movie about neuroscience called the Female Brain, about sort of how our brains work. And I learned a lot about epigenetic imprinting and about how the chemicals that you emit in utero, the child will be born addicted to. So if you're doing crack while pregnant, your baby will be obviously addicted to crack. And then it's so funny. I'm, like, sitting here being like, I'm talking too much. Cause I'm a fan of yours, and I want you to talk. But I know I'm the guest, so I have to.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're so cute.

[Whitney Cummings]

So you're born addicted to adrenaline. If you produce adrenaline while your child is in utero. And I know for sure that happened to me. My mom had me. I was an accident. They called me a surprise. But she was going through a nightmare with my dad at the time. And they were just, like, very acrimonious relationship. And I was like, the kid that was always, like, putting my finger in sockets. And, like, I. I really believe that I had an adrenaline addiction. I worked really hard on changing that about myself. So I had to work really hard to not allow any stress or cortisol while I was pregnant.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Whitney Cummings]

And I did a pretty good job. There was, like, twice that I got a pit in my stomach about something. But for eight, nine months, I just chilled. I kicked it. I did tour for a while, but, like, if someone cut me off in traffic, I was just like, I hope you get to your destination. Like, I just wouldn't allow stress. There was a lot of people in my life that love you, but, like, I can't hang out with you when I'm pregnant. Or, like, I'm just not gonna text this person back. Or, like, I'm just gonna skip this comedy club. Cause I might run into this person. Well, yeah, because I really just wanted to make sure that my child wasn't born addicted to adrenaline. And, like, you know, the basis for, like, addiction. Because I have so much addiction in my family, you know? So that was maybe the harder part of being pregnant. Because I'm so addicted to chaos, and I have so much chaos in my life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Whitney Cummings]

I'm Nicole Walters, mom of three, your.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Internet bestie, and founder of Inherit Learning Company. If you're looking for the motivation you need to pursue a life of purpose, then join me each week on the Nicole Walters Podcast as I share my hard learned lessons and answer your DMs about life, business and everything in between. We'll laugh, we'll cry, and we'll grant ourselves grace as we do life together. Check out the Nicole Walters Podcast every.

[Whitney Cummings]

Tuesday here on Dear Media.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You can listen anywhere you listen to podcasts. And we're back. How's Henry? Like, what does his temperament feel like?

[Whitney Cummings]

He's such a weirdo.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

Isn't it weird? Because my boyfriend explained this to me because he's like, I look at him, I'm like, first of all, he's like, he's like such a celebrity to me. Like, when I see him, like if. If there's a babysitter with him and I work in the other room and I'll see him and I'm like, like, there he is. Like, I get so geeked when I see him.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you compete with a babysitter for his attention?

[Whitney Cummings]

No.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Whitney Cummings]

I think kids should have.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Fine.

[Whitney Cummings]

I think kids should have a lot of awesome people.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's true.

[Whitney Cummings]

When.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know what? It's so cute that even when they're tiny, they are able. It's okay. Pop that ginger. Sorry.

[Whitney Cummings]

Do we have misophonia people in your audience?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. How, no. How annoying are those people that they want you to cater to them and never Chew on camera. Sorry.

[Whitney Cummings]

Okay, just don't chew gum with your mouth open while we're in a meeting. You know, it's like, more things like that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, that's fine. A meeting is fine. But it's like, they're so little, and they're still able to, like, like, know that you're their mom, which is a wild concept, right?

[Whitney Cummings]

It's your smell, probably in your voice mostly.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And then know that, like, this is a person that I also like. Not like, I like you, mom, but, like, I like them, and I'm down to stay with them, and this is my sibling or my cut. Like, you just see in their eyes even when they're so young. Like, it's just crazy. So tell me he's a weirdo.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's a trip. But I do have lots of friends who are like, he went to the nanny and not me. I'm like, lucky. I mean, you know, I obviously am so obsessed with my kid. There's no, you know, I get to be with him forever. I think for me, I get excited when he loves all the, you know, people in his life. You know, that's exciting to me because, like, I know it. Like, it's like Snoop Dogg's wife was like, well, he comes home with me at the end of the night or whatever. Like, what was it like? He can hook up with other women, but, like, he comes home to me. Like, so toxic. Yeah, that's me with my son. I'm like, I pay the bills. I have some leverage here. It's wild. Like, I guess it's because he's a boy. Like, I don't feel like he looks anything like me. Like, I'm just kind of like, who is this, you know, child? I don't know why I haven't really talked about this very much. And just not at all. So I'm a little bit like, oh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You didn't talk about your. Your son at all.

[Whitney Cummings]

I mean, I haven't talked about him that much. Yeah, at all. And I don't know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't post him?

[Whitney Cummings]

I do post.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You do post.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm fine with posting his face. So if you want to come for me. Because I post my baby's face.

[Amanda Hirsch]

People come for you about that.

[Whitney Cummings]

I mean, they come. And by the way, they come for us about everything. You're a mom, which, by the way, like, I'm not upset about it. People like a mom Instagram mom to talk. Like, they're so nasty. Like, I like to look at it as, like, you know, look at all these people that care about this child, they don't even know you. You might be wrong just because, like, that's not my experience. Like, I post about breastfeeding people. Like, you're breastfeeding. You should be breastfeeding.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you still breastfeeding?

[Whitney Cummings]

No, I did, like, three months.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay.

[Whitney Cummings]

I will get canceled for talking about any of those. Like, it is wild. I'm bottle feeding. They're like, you're not breastfeeding. And then if you're breastfeed, they're like, breastfeed. Breast mil. Milk has microplastics. You know, so. But when I get it, once you become a mom, you have, like, this biological urge to, like, tell people.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God, let me tell you. If you want engagement. Like, I can't imagine, like, the mommy block, the mommy bloggers, the mommy blockers. I'm like, they must be, like, blown up. Like, no one. Like, Brad Pitt hasn't been blown up like this. Because I know if I'm like, hey, guys, what bottle?

[Whitney Cummings]

Every. Like, like, that strong opinion.

[Amanda Hirsch]

People want to throw information up about his baby stuff.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's also the betrayal of, like, you know, when they're like, what stroller? And you're like, donna. And they're like, I got the Bob. And you're like, what the Bob did to me is so like. You mean you're. You just purchased from my abuser. Which, by the way, I love the Bob, by the way.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, there's a Bob? I thought you're making it up.

[Whitney Cummings]

No, it's called the Bob. It's the what? The Bob. It's like a stroller with three wheels. It's a big outdoor. It's the only one with the normal name. So I was like, nuna pupa, Lula moonma. Can we just. Can we. Why are we talking like, babies? As soon as we have babies, we dress like them, we talk like them. It's like. But I just find that, like, when they're like, no, no, we're gonna use this kind of bottle, you're like, okay, fine, cool. That bottle, like, ruined my life for two weeks. You know, it might work for somebody else.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, they get very intense about it.

[Whitney Cummings]

Totally. But again, it's our job to, like, share information. This is just us. Like, the Village used to do that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. And I, like, that's the thing. I'll use the Village. And I'm like, I have a pediatrician, but I'm gonna ask them. They know. I'm telling you a true story. When Lenny, my son, was born, he had like cookie in his eye. And I was like, what is this? Dr. Was like, oh, it goes away by one year. It's just their tear ducts. Like it happens. And I'm like, okay, come back after a month. He's like, yeah. I'm like, his eye isn't opening in the morning. Like, are you sure? Yup, yup, yup. Clean it with like a Moyni posted.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Everyone's like, with their opinions. I saw a few opinions that were like, you need the antibiotics for his eye. I literally asked the doctor for what a follower from Nebraska said to do. Fixed his eye in the first.

[Whitney Cummings]

Instantly. That's a doctors tick tock. We're on to you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't need. You don't need same.

[Whitney Cummings]

I got some of the best advice from like tick tock and stuff because I just literally said like, give me advice. Like, because there's things that you just don't even know. You don't even know to ask. And someone, a lot of women were like, make sure to put like Aquaphor or something on their butthole as soon as they come out of your body because the first poop is so sticky that it's hard to get off. Game changer.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God. That was the first big.

[Whitney Cummings]

Wait, is that. Am I at a ditty party? Yeah, I was just like. But it was like a miracle. You know, things like that. You know, I think women like women's experience. Like, I know doctors are real fine, but like, nothing. Yeah. Nothing can replace. Like the wisdom of women.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You have a thing, really, that you're not afraid of. Like the canceled thing.

[Whitney Cummings]

Supposedly, like, being canceled.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Whitney Cummings]

What is it? What's canceled? Has anyone been canceled?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Ew, gross.

[Whitney Cummings]

Word.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I agree.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's okay. I just. I mean, has anyone been canceled? I mean, technically, if you've done something illegal.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Technically. Are there people that aren't coming back? Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

Like who?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like a recent example.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah. I mean, I'm not putting on the spot.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, no, no.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm trying to think.

[Amanda Hirsch]

A recent example I was thinking of.

[Whitney Cummings]

I mean, mel Gibson has 13 movies in production, disease is on tour. Louis bigger than ever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Louie's bigger than ever.

[Whitney Cummings]

I mean.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

In terms of like, ticket sales and so Shane Gillis, bigger than ever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Ashton Kutcher.

[Whitney Cummings]

Ashton Kutcher.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, can he come back?

[Whitney Cummings]

But what was he gonna come back for? Anyway, I'm just curious. Were we.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but, like, they were Hollywood kind of royalty.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And by the way, I thought of him because I literally, when I was preparing for this Interview was like, you're unpunked.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which is wild because I remember you on Punks, but I think I never, like, saw you today being like, oh, when she was on Punk. But like, you were unpuned because. And I then we weren't supposed to.

[Whitney Cummings]

Know you because my phone is off. But that's the nanit. Sorry, the nan. It comes through the nanit when the.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Phone is surpasses everything.

[Whitney Cummings]

So funny. Okay, love what you're saying.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, when you were on Punked, you weren't allowed to be known because you had to trick people.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So then you were anonymous.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's actually kind of a great first job because you have to be anonymous to do it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Whitney Cummings]

Then you get all this exposure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, were you on. When Dax was on? Was it you?

[Whitney Cummings]

No, he was first season.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He was first.

[Whitney Cummings]

And you were third season, the Hidden Season. Remember? There was like, a secret season that was like, he canceled it. Like, he went on CNN and was like, it's over, and then whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Whitney Cummings]

I love what you're saying because I am obsessed with people that get canceled for, like, bad judgment. Instead of like a I pulled my dick out at work, or like, I, you know, did something, or I had blackface or something like. Like J. Lo. It's wild to watch. Just this gradual. People just going, something doesn't smell right. Like, we don't. You want too much. And you've taken to. There's just like a subtle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know what it is with JLo. That's what you think it is.

[Whitney Cummings]

I. I've. I remember when you want from her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm kind of Team Jlo, by the way, until something comes out. And then I'm.

[Whitney Cummings]

No, no, it's more this. It's more like on Tick Tock, waitresses started coming together, being like, she doesn't tip me. She doesn't tip me. It became like, a big thing on Tick Tock that she doesn't tip. Remember?

[Amanda Hirsch]

That was like, they're hating on everything. They do this thing there. She can't get a. She can't go to the bodega. They're like, she can't say bodega. She's not really Spanish, you know, she can't walk by her house in the Bronx. That's not hers. I'm like, she grew up in the Bronx.

[Whitney Cummings]

The reason they don't like her right now is the reason they like you. People want authenticity now. They don't want you to pretend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I am so naive that I'm like, she's not pretending. Like, when I watch her documentary and she was eating Cheetos, I'm like, jalen's just like, us. And everyone's like, no, Amanda, she's eating the Cheetos for the moment.

[Whitney Cummings]

And two things could be true at once, right? Yeah, with two things could probably.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who knows?

[Whitney Cummings]

I think, like, you know, and then people go, diddy, party. She's not selling tickets. And this and this. I do think we don't like sore winners. And the idea that she's like, I didn't get enough time in the Super Bowl. Everyone's like, we.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She really wanted that Oscar for Hustlers.

[Whitney Cummings]

We're starving to death. Like, we're. We don't. Our water catches on fire. Like, we're poor. We can't afford apartments. Like, there's no jobs left. We're being replaced by robots. And she's like, I just wanted more time on the Super Bowl.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We're like, what, you think that's when it started? Kind of.

[Whitney Cummings]

I think that there's a. There's like a. Oh, you know when, like, you need to get out of a relationship. You talked about this one. A toxic relationship, and you kind of never get out because there's not one thing. You're kind of like, that was kind of weird. But no, but then they cheat on you, and you're like, oh, thank God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, Yes.

[Whitney Cummings]

I just needed one. Like, yeah, irrefutable.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you there, though, with her? No, no, I'm just. Personally.

[Whitney Cummings]

You're watching comments.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, but, like, Ashton Kutcher.

[Whitney Cummings]

But what do you think about. It was what turned you off? I'm just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I, by the way. And not to be canceled myself. I, by the way, was like, everyone, let's hold up for one second.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm obsessed. When someone's apology is what gets them canceled. And they were actually doing okay until they apologize and you read the apology.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And you're like, no, not the Reed Bay. It was a video at this. Like, it was a video in, like.

[Whitney Cummings]

The shirt with buttons. Can we get a. Are you wearing a T shirt? Like, what? Like, there was some kind of, like, little.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was a little freaky. It was a little.

[Whitney Cummings]

Do you want to memorize? You want to memorize what? You're gonna make it feel like it's coming from the heart.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It didn't come. It didn't. It was. It was icky. Is it cancelable?

[Whitney Cummings]

Like, are we bothering you? Do you. Do you need more time for this apology?

[Amanda Hirsch]

It was not good. Do you but should they be tainted and never come back? That's my question. That's what it seems like right now. Even though she was at some, like, she had a movie, by the way, come out with Michael Keen. Because I got like the press release for it and I was like, in another world, Mila Queens would have been doing press for this movie. And this movie is kind of like because of that.

[Whitney Cummings]

One thing I will say is that. And I don't know the truth. I don't know. Yeah, usually sexual predators and monsters don't let everyone know their sexual predators, monsters. This is how they get away with it. I'm sure there is a strong case that Mila is awesome, dude. That Milan Ashton didn't know he was doing all this stuff. Scientology does an amazing job of covering it up and permitting it. Like, I think we're all making the assumption that he knew about all this stuff and then wrote a glowing review.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

And I don't know if he did or not. I've been in situations where, look, I'm a female comic. I'm around a bunch of guys, they don't tell us what they're doing. No one's like, hey, I raped this girl last night. Like, no one. They do it in secret. So I don't know the answer. I feel like. Also, who knows? I tour a lot because I love it and I'm a standup and I really appreciate being around, like, for lack of a better word, what do we say? That's not normal or average? Like real people, for the most part, I think they're kind of like, can you just make a good movie and I'll watch it? Like, we don't expect anyone in Hollywood to be good people. We assume you're all trash, scumbags. This is a business that was built on the back of a three year old toddler named Shirley Temple. Shirley Temple was the Margot Robbie of the 1920s. She's like twerking on sailors laps. Like, she, you know, like, where's. There's no mom in sight. Like, no nothing. Like, she's just. She was like a sex symbol. A baby was a sex. I don't think people expect Hollywood people to be good. They're just like, make a good movie. I need something to do tonight. I'm obsessed. Again, sorry to bring you into all my, like, weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Bring me, babe.

[Whitney Cummings]

When something's like really obvious in front of you and nobody saw it. Like, Diddy changed his name three times. No one thought that was weird. You guys thought that was cool. Like, that's what you do when you're in legal trouble. You're like, my name's Sean John now. Like, who? Diddy? No. Who's that guy? Like, they were like, what are you talking. You know, I thought that was weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

We're dumb.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know what I'm saying? Like, when billionaires are on boats, like, yeah, there's no maritime law. There's no laws on international waters. You know what I'm saying? Everyone's like, oh, you know, people don't just take boats. No, there's. The nicest hotel in the world is right here. And they choose to be docked out there. 500 yards. That's not weird to anyone. Like. Like, pruned. I always felt like that was me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, you felt like. I mean, that was crazy.

[Whitney Cummings]

What was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The craziest punks you did?

[Whitney Cummings]

There was one of Jennifer Hewitt that was especially cruel.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Love her comeback, by the way. You guys. She has a new movie online, Hallmark or something.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Love it. Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

And we became friends, and she's, like, such a sweetheart. It was like getting her to go to an audition with Mark Forrester, who was a really big director at the time. And I was like, the receptionist or something for this fake meeting. And it was like Jennifer Love Hewitt, who was, you know, obviously very famous, but, like, this guy, like. Like, did movies that won Oscars. So it was a fake meeting that she was gonna meet with Mark Forrester.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh.

[Whitney Cummings]

And then she gets there, and it's like a joke. Joke, you know? And I remember, like, at the time, I just was so broke. I was $40,000 in debt. I'm, like, getting a job. Like, I don't. I have to do this job, you know? And then it just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You felt bad about it even then. Awful, really.

[Whitney Cummings]

Chris Klein, there was one that felt really cruel. Yeah. There was a time we're just, like, pranking people, like, was just our kink, and it ultimately is like, we're gonna embarrass them. You know what I mean? I'm gonna embarrass you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But they had to sign a release after. They had to, like, agree for it together. Yeah, they did.

[Whitney Cummings]

But you're so grateful that the situation's not real. Of course you're gonna sign it. A really. Coming out against, like, it was fun. I think it made a lot of people laugh. I think you just assume when people have money or they're on tv, like, their feelings don't matter. I just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you get any vibes from Ashton then? Was he nice?

[Whitney Cummings]

I always liked Ashton. I don't know him that well. Like, I, you know, he seems like very like an entrepreneur. Like, you know, I think it's cool that he's like, I'm not going to do this acting thing anymore. Like, let me go to this other.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So many people aren't doing acting things anymore. Why people, like, rather be in business?

[Whitney Cummings]

Well, see, maybe this is like, I like when someone's like, I'm good at lying for a living. Like, I don't know if I need to lie and wear makeup for a living. You know what I mean? Like, you're just a professional liar. People are always like, how come that actor was like, so mean? I'm like, they pretend for a living. You know what I mean? Or like, why was this person, you know, this actor cheated on me. Yeah, they lie for a living. That's their favorite thing to do.

[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Whitney Cummings]

I do have a boyfriend.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He's not in the biz.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, my God. You know who you are, like, and this is the highest compliment I give anyone. Howard Stern. Did you listen to Howard growing up?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, babe, that's like the. You don't understand that. That's so funny you say that, because I was talking to these guys the other day, these bros. Speaking of Joe Rogan, you said something about him before. They were like, listen, Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan, right? And I was. And they're like, what do you think of him? And I was like, honestly, like, I. I don't listen to him. But, like, for a male radio podcaster person, like, my inspo is like, Howard Stern. It's always been so. It's so crazy you said that. And I.

[Whitney Cummings]

Well, what you do. What? It's. It's. I know you have something after this too, but you have this genius way of, like, moving so fast that you can't really have a prepared answer.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Not on purpose. It is so rare that I'm, like.

[Whitney Cummings]

Thrown, and I'm like, can't gather my thoughts. And it's like, how stern he would do. He would ask things like, so, like, you and Jack Nicholson hooked up, right? And you'd be like, no, What? And then you'd be on to something else, and then you just be like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you like what you're saying. Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

You like, hey, Chelsea Hammond, right? And I'm like, wait, no. What? Like, you're so thrown. Like, and you do this in kind of a genius way, because I'm like, wait, I don't feel like. I don't feel like I answered this past thing where it's like. But here's the thing about it. I just said the negative things. And normally the second thing I say is the positive things, and I'm not getting them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, you said only the positive.

[Whitney Cummings]

Really?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

I just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Then we were talking about your boyfriend, but guess what I was saying, like.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, can I say this about. I just feel the need if you're going to say something negative about anyone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Can I tell you, you didn't say anything negative.

[Whitney Cummings]

I think when Ashton dated to me, I was so, like, how low is our bar for men that were like, he dated a woman. She might have been the most beautiful woman on the planet, but she was 10 years older than him. He is the same.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

He fell in love with the most gorgeous woman in the world.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I Mean, listen, people send me things about that Aaron Taylor Johnson, Paul. What's his name? Who? Taylor Johnson.

[Whitney Cummings]

Who's that?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Taylor. He's dating the older woman director. And people are like, yeah, it's like they're insane also.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm kidding. I don't know. But Mila Kunis is awesome. Like, she is so cool. I, I, I haven't been in a situation like them. But when you find out someone that you thought you knew or has bad behavior and you thought you were doing the right thing at the time, and then it, like, I, I, I don't for a second, like, I sympathize with the position they were in. Because here's the other thing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Here's the other thing. Their friend.

[Whitney Cummings]

They didn't do it, right? They didn't do it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

Let's focus. Get. Send your anger to Scientology and Danny Masterson. Did they make a mistake? Maybe. Probably. Was their read not that good? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know what version of that, that read would have been good, better. There's no good way to do it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I just don't, I get why the. Here's my thing about Hollywood. I get why the public is mad. I don't get how Hollywood listen. Because a lot of time Hollywood doesn't listen to, like, the public. Right. They're like, great, you hate this person. We don't care.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Here it was like, oh, you guys are turning on them.

[Whitney Cummings]

But they, but it's also they. Hollywood turns on people for being over 40. If you're a woman.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know, lately it's been kind of like the 40s era, which I've been loving them. Tell me you don't feel it.

[Whitney Cummings]

Tell me what you're seeing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm seeing the comebacks. There have been some comebacks. Pamela Anderson. What's up?

[Whitney Cummings]

It's not progress until they don't call her brave.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are they call it. No, the makeup thing. I'm so over it. I swear. If they bring up the fact that she doesn't wear makeup one more time, if, if I even. She's over it. It was her movement. Yeah, but she's over it.

[Whitney Cummings]

I mean, did it. Alicia Keys wasn't wearing makeup, but like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Alicia Keys, she looks like she's Alicia Key, right?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She' White woman does it. You're like, whoa, that is rape. But like, Alicia Geese hasn't worn makeup for a while.

[Amanda Hirsch]

There's some comebacks. There's some comebacks.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm not, I'm just, I'm just Wait.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You don't have another example? I'm fine with Pamela Anderson.

[Whitney Cummings]

Demi Moore.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Demi Moore.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's okay if a woman who's 60 is in a movie as long as a 25 year old girl is in a leotard. 80% of it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's the trade off.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm obsessed. When Hollywood pats themselves on the back, they're like, we put. Put Pamela Anderson in a movie. You're like one of the most beautiful women in the world. Like, you put her in a movie.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, thank you.

[Whitney Cummings]

Thanks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And Nicole Kidman is in every movie this year. She's. No, that's. I'm not saying.

[Whitney Cummings]

Never went anywhere.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's nowhere. She's everywhere. She's in every movie this year.

[Whitney Cummings]

To give her some time off.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She does.

[Whitney Cummings]

Let her have a life.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you watch Baby Girl yet? Oh my God, babe, I mean, did you just grunt? She saw it with me. It. It was very hot. I watched a screener 10 Baby Girl.

[Whitney Cummings]

Is this a documentary about the Red Hot Chili Pepper singer? He's dating a 19 year old.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's an old photo, by the way. What do you mean the wait is a recent photo? You saw.

[Whitney Cummings]

I don't. How old is his girlfriend?

[Amanda Hirsch]

But that. I know. I know what you're talking about. Okay, then she was 19 and he was 100. Okay, now she's probably 25 and he is 100.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'll say. Anthony Kiedis, I'm sure you're a fan of this podcast. Well, you're. You're the girlfriend. You babysit. Definitely. Is she probably in. It's not cool. Like, no one's like, sick. It just. Especially since you're in a relationship with her. You're dumb. What are you talking to her about? Yeah, if you just sleep with a 19 year old, you're like, okay, you're gross. But like, you hang out all the time. Yeah, like, what do you talk about?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but I know what photo you're talking about, and that's very old.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm just saying I've seen a lot of them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's grown.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's my whole TikTok algorithm. I've seen a lot of people.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's your TikTok algorithm?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah. Anthony Kiedis at the moment.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, you're on tour? You're on tour right now?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yes, ma'am. I just ended and then I'm gonna start again in February doing baby tour. More cities. Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why the big baby tour?

[Whitney Cummings]

I don't know. I had postpartum depression. It seemed like a good.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you the big baby.

[Whitney Cummings]

My baby. I don't know. They had to cut.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you big and he's the baby?

[Whitney Cummings]

They had to cut me two inches. He was pretty big.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Wow.

[Whitney Cummings]

Although I. Did you want to? You want to. This is what gets you canceled? I induced. I got induced at 39 weeks.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, you got canceled for that?

[Whitney Cummings]

No, I'm just saying. I'm saying, like, you took Pitocin. You know, he's going to be weird.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Why did you want him out at 39?

[Whitney Cummings]

He's going to be weird. I really wanted to have him vaginally. And I know that, like, once you get to the hospital, there's just, like, so much pressure to go. C section. No shade on C section. If I have another one, I'm sure I'll just, like, schedule that shit and go to Soul Cycle. Like, fine. But, like, I really wanted to do it vaginally, so I had the option to have another kid sooner if I wanted to. And they're just gonna be, like, a tiny bit smaller if you do it at 39 weeks, because all the organs are already, like, cooked and stuff. So I was like, let's just. You know, my doctor recommended it, and I'm 40. And, yeah, I do this weird disclaimer. Needed my love when it comes to, like, my gynecologist. I listen to her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Actually, it's funny because my first. I gave birth at 38 weeks. Like, he just came.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, wow.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So then this time at 38 weeks, I was like, ready, like, you're coming. Then he wasn't. And they start asking you at 38 weeks, like, so, what do you want to do? Like, when do you want to schedule this? Basically. So I ended up getting it scheduled as well, but I didn't know it was a bad thing.

[Whitney Cummings]

No, I think some people just go, like. Like, you know, I just told, like, everything that, you know, I learned.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know, to just like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But you're talking about another one, by the way. So, like, you're like. It's. When you talk about it like, that, it's a yes.

[Whitney Cummings]

What was your. Did you plan for two?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I knew. I knew.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because I knew I was gonna give him a sibling, you know?

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Because I. When you're not. No, you're kind of. Yes. You know what I mean?

[Whitney Cummings]

Great point. Because my thing is, like. Like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I. That's why. I could tell by the way you phrased it. I'm like, she's having another baby.

[Whitney Cummings]

I would love to. You know, I'm 42 now. We'll see. I mean, I guess for me, I'm like the one. I know lots of great only child people and I want to go like, I want to give him like a best friend to sibling. But it's a tricky one because he.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Now like, does it look like he. Is he seeking? Like, kind of.

[Whitney Cummings]

I have a pretty hands off approach when he's playing. If he wants to engage and play with me, I will. But I was just. I dig into the Swedish and Finland studies of like, you know, they shouldn't learn to read until they're six because they're not able to focus yet, you know, so that if you just let them play with whatever they want.

[Amanda Hirsch]

How much do you read?

[Whitney Cummings]

I kind of read a lot, you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Know, a lot of stuff. Swedish in Finland, all these like, huberman stuff, this doctor stuff, you know, a lot of stuff.

[Whitney Cummings]

I. I'm a. What is. I think that being a comedian and having opinions for a living, you can't. I can't be a total idiot. I think it is part of my job to be somebody informed. But I'm also the first person to go like, that study's full of. When it comes to kids studies. Do not get me started. When they're like, kids actually do better when they like, like they're not afraid of snakes. Did you see this thing? It was like we put a snake next to a baby. I'm like, get. Don't do this study. Why is, why is it. What pedophile decides to study kids for a living? Also you bringing the kid to a strange place. Like, there's no way any of these results are going to be valid. I also used to do clinical trials and studies when I was broke. And I would lie all the time. Studies are like, not that reliable most of the time, you know? And I'm like, and when someone's like this poll, I'm like, no one asked me. I don't know anyone that was asked for this. Any idiot, any person that's like, can we poll you who's like, sure is insane, is ill. You know what I mean? Most people are, no, I'm good. I don't need to contribute to your pew study. So I guess for me, I try to learn as much as I can, but also to go like, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. Because I think a lot of us operate off of these bullshit studies that we kind of like want a sense of control of like, if I do this, my kid will be okay, you know? But I, I really do try to trust my Instincts. He's very like, you know, we'll focus on one thing for, like, a while. And I try to not interrupt. That is one of my rules. Don't interrupt when he's playing. Even if I'm bored. Oh, my God. Really bored shitless. Because he's not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You want to play.

[Whitney Cummings]

But I. Because I'll be like, let's play with this now. Let's, like, I'll like, oh, you'll try to not do that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh. Oh, that's really good.

[Whitney Cummings]

I want him to have the ability to just.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But no, it's not only about giving him a sibling. It should. You should, like, if you want another kid, have another kid. If you don't want another kid.

[Whitney Cummings]

Donut.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I could tell with you that you kind of want every mom I.

[Whitney Cummings]

Know that has one kid. That just gets so intense. A mom shows up at a party with one kid, she's like Lululemon. She's got the blowout. She's got the star on her set. Do you know what I mean? She's got the whole thing. And she's, like, looking amazing. Two kids, when they pull up, it's just like the car minivan just drives onto the. The. Onto the lawn. The kids driving becomes crazy. Yeah. When it's one kid, the kids in a full suit dressed like me, and then it's two kids, and they're just buck naked, just covered in, like, Sharpie. Like, it's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The difference is so, like, it scares you, like, to be.

[Whitney Cummings]

Angelique Cabral, actress, who's awesome, says, having one kid is amazing. Having two kids is like being drowned. It's like drowning and someone throws you a baby.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Say. Do you know how many times I've heard that quote? And every time somebody quotes somebody else. She said it. She's the originator.

[Whitney Cummings]

I heard it via Zoe Lister Jones. That's so funny.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Zoe Lister Jones said it on my podcast.

[Whitney Cummings]

Did she say her friend said it? She said her friend said it. Yeah, she said her friend said it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, that's wild that you just said that.

[Whitney Cummings]

Insane. Tourette's where I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I just heard that Jim Gaffigan said it. Maybe because he has five kids, Right? So they were like. He said. Somebody asked him. Them. What's it like with this fifth kid? It's like you have four, and they. You're drowning and they throw you a fit.

[Whitney Cummings]

You mean it was like that for his wife?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Whitney Cummings]

Have you seen his schedule?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes. Okay. I have to ask a question about comedians, by the way, please. This is very niche.

[Whitney Cummings]

Okay.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. Very niche. It's only I care about this. I noticed that you guys hype each other up more than any other group of people on the planet. Like you share watch our special so and so for our bag. You hype each other up.

[Whitney Cummings]

Nice.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it a code?

[Whitney Cummings]

That's awesome.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, is it a. You're let in only if you chair each other's tours.

[Whitney Cummings]

And I love link to tickets saying this. I think that comedians have an understanding that we all benefit when one person rises. Do you know what I mean? It's like we can't take from each other. Like we only help each other. Like if you go to a venue and you see a bunch of posters for the people coming up, like, if you come to see me, you'll see posters for Anna Burner Naked Glazer. Like everybody benefits. I also think that, that stand up specials, whether it's because sometimes we use words that can't, you know, whatever be promoted. Like, especially if it's like YouTube, we have to really help each other because no one else.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it a said thing? Does anybody ask, is it, is there a group chat like, hey, my thing's coming out. Blast off.

[Whitney Cummings]

You will the day or special comes out. Well, there's a, there's, there's a little bit of a mass shaming that happens where if a couple people post it, you're like, oh, I don't want to do what I mean, always, we got it. You know what I mean? We all see it, but it's not like out of, in a gross way. It's just going like, let's lift this person up. They deserve it. It's so hard to do what we do. It's so hard to get a special me. And for me, I just go like, I would have done anything for a successful comic to share it, you know, but yeah, there's times that you'll like have to send that, hey, hate myself. My special's coming out. If you want to post this, cool. If you don't, please block me. I feel sick. I'm never going to look you in the eye again. I'm so sorry.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, you guys are so good about that. It's what, like, if you follow comedians, which I follow a bunch, it's like, no, you guys are always promoting each other's shit.

[Whitney Cummings]

We all help each other. We all should do this. Because it's like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But in other industries it doesn't.

[Whitney Cummings]

And then I'll suggest something else. You know what I mean? It'll suggest. But there's not as Much of a scarcity complex anymore. I think when I started, especially with women, there were so few of them. It was me or you want to lineup? It was either me or you. Now, it's not like that. I was at the Comedy Store the other night. It was like four women in a row. I was kind of like, guys, okay, I feel like we're over correcting. This is really just. It's literally Esther's like, I just became a mom. I'm like, hey, I just became a mom. And I was like, like the curves of comedy. Like, we need some men up here, you know, just for diversity. So I think that there's maybe, yeah, I think more is more when it comes to comedy, but that's. I don't have an elegant answer for that or a funny one, but that is a really good point.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So it's less than the like entertainment industry with like actors and stuff.

[Whitney Cummings]

Do they not help?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Sydney Sweeney just said like all the like, women empowering women is kind of like bullshit in Hollywood.

[Whitney Cummings]

Well, there's, it's, you know, look, there is definitely a tier of women with whom I am obsessed. I have played a couple roles where I am fully just being them. Machine Gun Kelly's movie, I played like a publicist. And then in this movie for Paramount plus with Monica Barbaro, I played an agent. Oh, the other way around. I don't remember of these women that came up under men. So that's how they learned. And they were like the one woman at Paramount or the one woman at Warner Brothers or whatever who had to just like deal with such a nightmare and they had to become these tough bitches who just like, you know, in order to survive. I always say no one's been meaner to me in this business than women. But like, why am I holding them to a higher standard than Matt? I mean, someone was probably mean to them too. Maybe I'm being oversensitive. Like, you know, I don't know. Sydney Sweeney seems to be doing fine.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know, she should shut down if she got this far with women being mean. Fine. You know, I'd rather a woman be mean to my face than a man, be nice to my face and then be a creep at the Christmas party.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I think she was more like it was about how it's fake. You know what I mean?

[Whitney Cummings]

Of course it is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. It's so fake.

[Whitney Cummings]

You mean the business that was built on the back of a three year old toddler? Yeah, like Hollywood is fake.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, yeah, I Have to ask you about this new, new show that you're hosting, because it's, like, a dream for people that love Friends.

[Whitney Cummings]

Do you have this thing where you're like, I need to make shows my son can actually watch?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. Do you?

[Whitney Cummings]

I finally get to do a show my son can watch because I get it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I got it. I got it. No, but it's also a show for, like, me, for Millennials. It's called Fast Friends. It's competition series. Who of us haven't gone to a trivia night at a bar thinking we can win the Friends thing? You know what I mean? Like, all of us.

[Whitney Cummings]

All of us.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So how are you a Friends fanatic?

[Whitney Cummings]

I didn't see it a bunch when it was on at the time. But later, when I started making television shows, I started meeting with Friends writers, and they were so funny and brilliant. I'm like, I gotta watch this show. I sometimes try to not watch things that I think will make me want to give up. Like, if something's really good, I'm like, I don't want to watch it right now. Like, I don't want to. You know? So then I started watching Friends after, and I was having a lot of insecurity about being on tv. I'd been told so much in Hollywood that. And, look, I appreciate directness. Like, but, you know, this guy, an agent at this agency called icm, he, like, I'm trying to think who he looks like. Like, do you know? Have you seen Big Trouble in Little China? The ball? Like, the floating blob?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

[Whitney Cummings]

Okay, Google it. That's what he looked like. And he told me when I was 24 that I would never be a leading lady. Like, I wasn't pretty enough to be a leading lady. Like, best case scenario, I would be like, Alisa Kudrow. He was trying to hurt my feelings. But, like, what he didn't know is, like, lisa Kudrow is my hero, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

And so I would watch the show and just be like, you know, look at her and go, like, I can do this. I can do this. And then the character Janice. I don't know if you remember Janice, who was. You know, I remember being like, oh, like, shrill, annoying women can be on tv. Like, I can do this, you guys. Like, I would, like, seriously. I'm like, I'm never gonna be the Jennifer Aniston. I'm never gonna be the Courtney Hawks. But, like, I can do that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

You know, I can be the person. Everyone goes like this when she walks in the room I can be on tv, you know, so I. That was like really pivotal for me being able to see her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And, and doesn't she come on this episode?

[Whitney Cummings]

She does make a little special appearance. It's very exciting. And look, I just feel like, you know, I feel like the media just wants us or whatever the Internet wants us to think that like everyone's so divided or this is what we naturally, you know, kind of deduce when you're online is like no one agrees on anything. And like people aren't like seeing their family for the holidays because they voted for the, you know, person they didn't agree. Know. This is a show like everybody can watch it. And I'm really proud to like be a part of that. Something that's not like dividing. You can play along. Everyone. All my friends that have watched it, when I'm like, got advanced copies to do like voiceover or something, they're like, they're like playing along.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And there's something just like really sweet about that.

[Whitney Cummings]

There's something really sweet.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you rewatch it before shooting?

[Whitney Cummings]

I did.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You did.

[Whitney Cummings]

And it was actually rewatching it with. It's actually a really good thing to watch with your person because there's so many things like when Ross and Rachel were on a break, it like, we like got to have that conversation. Like, a break is not a break. Like, okay, a break's not a break. Totally. Yeah, we got to like sort of do that. And it was like a good little sort of like thing for us. But it's nice because, you know, I mean, you've spent an hour with me. Like, I can't let things. It's so hard for me to like watch movies with him and watch stuff with him because it's like, okay, well that would never. Okay, well, the voice. Do you see the continuity issue here? Like, wait, what? Like they, they did digital makeup on her. They.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so you let go? Can you let go?

[Whitney Cummings]

We can just watch it together.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, well, you like, I hope that everybody knows this, that you created 2 Broke Girls, which is like co created, which is sick. Like, that's such a huge accomplishment. Is that because I love knowing back end things. Is that like the same setup as Friends in terms of like the audience? Like you guys had an audience that you meant.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's like the deal structure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I was like, let's get cuz back.

[Whitney Cummings]

End is a part of a deal structure. Like, how many points do you have?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I meant like the. What do you gu called?

[Whitney Cummings]

Multicam. Multicams.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Is it the Same thing. Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

It means there's a live studio audience. And you know, the thing about that show that I love and I didn't realize how, I don't know, kind of weirdly revolutionary it was, is that, I don't know, like, whenever I would watch shows, I ended up not watching TV a lot as someone that loved it because every storyline for girls in their 20s was like, I just want to get a man and I want him to text me back and like, maybe we should get a makeover. And I just was like, I don't. I wasn't like that in my 20s. I was like, I need to, like, get a de. I need to make a career. I need to like, I'm $40,000 in debt. Like, I wasn't thinking about men that way. And I want to start a business, you know, and so I want to make a show where, you know, the girls in their 20s, they just wanted to start a business and get successful. And the guys were always like, the B story, you know, they were like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Kind of in the background.

[Whitney Cummings]

It was like a love story between two girls that were trying to sort of build their business. And having people come up to me, be like, ah, I like, built a business because I watched that show. Like that, you know, in my 20s, I think is like the greatest.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow, that's such a cool.

[Whitney Cummings]

Like, I'm like, why? Because then you get into Hollywood and you see the people that write shows, or at least that did at the time. It's all these like, dudes in their 50s, like, writing for 25 year olds. You're like, why? What? And is this how you think women talk? Like, is this what you think? Like, we just move through life being like, is he going to call me back? Like in our yoga class?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so how old were you when.

[Whitney Cummings]

You created it during a yoga class? Why are they do talk? You know what? You need a makeover. Like, have is your friend ever been? Like, you need a makeover? You'd be like, you, like, what? Like in what world? So I just was like, over that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But it's the same. So did if. So it's kind of your world, though. Like friends, two brokers.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, I, I worked on the Roseanne boot the first season when it came back for the tweet. I love multicams as a comic, like live studio audience. It's like, you know, there's single cam and there's multi cam, but there's lots of single cams that are shot multicam. Like Modern Family is shot with four cameras. There's just no studio audience. I grew up on, like, Martin and, you know, Cheers and Seinfeld and, you know, love shows like that, so I like the idea of live studio.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Are you gonna work on any more shows?

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, I'm working on two now. We'll see.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Did you have any ones in the past that. I mean, I'm sure we've had a bunch that didn't get greenlit.

[Whitney Cummings]

So many great questions.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Really?

[Whitney Cummings]

This. God damn it. I get it now. I didn't before.

[Amanda Hirsch]

She's a bully, but I love it. No, people say, is my hair in my face?

[Whitney Cummings]

I had someone, a very, very famous actress come up to me at my friend's baby shower and went, you know, I was listening to you on a podcast the other day, and I was like, I like Whitney Company.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Whitney Cummings]

Or like, when people will just be like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Or, like, shocked by you.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, no. People will be like, you are. You're actually funny. And I'm like, yeah, actually.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Actually.

[Whitney Cummings]

Excuse me. Actually, like, when, like, deep into knowing someone, they're like, you are. I get it now. What am I?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, what were you, like, blown away.

[Whitney Cummings]

By back in the day? And didn't happen for a litany of reasons, but it was a show about basically, all this stuff that you were alluding to earlier of, like, these days, like, when something, you know goes wrong in your life or you need advice, you're not necessarily gonna go to your friend who makes terrible decisions. And every show, the girl always just has horrible judgment. She's like, let me go to my drunk friend who's a complete mess, and she'll give me advice in a spin class about, like. You know what I mean? Have you tried doing Kegels? You're like, what the fuck? Like, why does this awesome lead character have a friend who's just a mess? Why is she taking that advice? Like, what you would do now is you. You would, like, go online. You would, like, send a question to you for your solo episode. You'd watch Andrew Huberman. You'd watch whatever. You'd Google Malcolm Gladwell or Brene Brown or whatever. So I wanted to have those actual real life experts in the show and when they need to make it. So I had a scientist on. I had. Jenna Jameson was on. Like, there's this sex scene. The guy in the show is between me and Brett Goldstein.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Who.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yeah, you know, from Ted Lasso. He played my boyfriend on the show.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, shut up.

[Whitney Cummings]

And it was about what happens in a couple when the girl all of a sudden starts Making more money than the guy and how it affects the power dynamics. That's kind of happened to me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wait, so where are all these people?

[Whitney Cummings]

They're just in her imagination, but they're actually in the show. So this happened to me in real life. I started making kind of money out of nowhere, and then the guy that I was with, when he found out how much I was making for a show that I had sold that night in the bedroom, he spit in my face.

[Amanda Hirsch]

As a sex thing?

[Whitney Cummings]

You tell me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, Just.

[Whitney Cummings]

Yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Ew.

[Whitney Cummings]

And to restore the power dynamic or whatever. So in the show, he goes to the bathroom, Jenna Jameson is right there, and we, like, talk through, like, what it was. You know, stuff like that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, damn.

[Whitney Cummings]

So it was like, I actually.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Would you ever float that up again?

[Whitney Cummings]

I really should.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You should. Brett Goldstein is on a roll. Oh, my God.

[Whitney Cummings]

He's so great.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So great.

[Whitney Cummings]

He's so great. He's probably too busy now.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. Remember.

[Whitney Cummings]

Remember I did one about, like, an ombudsman's office at college, like, right after the MeToo thing, and it was three generations of women getting these complaints from college students, and they all had a different take on it. You know, it was, like, really based on when the Aziz thing happened. Girls in their 20s were like, he's toxic. Kill him. Like, girls in their 30s were like, he took you to dinner and wait. You had wine. And then. Wait a second. He sounds like a gentleman. And then women in their 60s were like, take the compliment and move on. Like, it was just how differently everybody was reacting to it. So it was kind of about that. That was Lisa Kudrow and Greg Kinnear and Martin Short.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Greg Kinnear, where art thou?

[Whitney Cummings]

Amazing. He's amazing. He's on something now. Obsessed with him. He played a professor. That's that. Oh.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Cause he's my character.

[Whitney Cummings]

Had actually had dated when she was in college. Like, it was a different time, you know? Cause there's people that are like, wait, your professor was creepy. Yeah, we used to date our professor. You know what I mean? I love how many times a day we all have to say, it was a different time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God.

[Whitney Cummings]

So I've done a lot of pilots that I'm really proud of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, you're really talented, so keep doing all the things that you're doing. Really lame, cringy friends trivia for you before you leave. See if you're good. Listen, you hosted the show. We want to know. These are easy, so get with it. In what order?

[Whitney Cummings]

Actually, please make that a Gift. They're easy. Get with it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Bully Bullying my boys. Bullying my voice. No, I'm just kidding. No, I just. I'll tell you why I keep making that joke. Because I read this thing that I couldn't even really get that was like, you were on a podcast. You said somebody's hair was in their face, face, so that you told them, your hair is in your face. And then people were like, that's so mean.

[Whitney Cummings]

I think you're bullying women if you think that they can't handle a joke or a, hey, you have food in your teeth, or what? You know what I'm saying? Like, this whole thing, like, women are strong, but they're also made of glass, and they can't take a joke. And they're also. She came to the podcast and she was talking about how she was like, I have borderline personality disorder. And I was like, whoa, whoa. Like, do you. And she was like, yeah, of course I'm borderline. I'm like, like, if someone diagnosed you with that, like, that's one thing, but this whole thing where you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I hate that.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And it's not why I hate it. I have anxiety. We can talk forever. And I think. And we have. Is that I have anxiety. Like, I'll get physical anxiety, panic attack. I feel in my body. So, like, I. I'm not nitpicky about things, but I don't love when people use the word anxiety as like. And I was so anxious when I was, like, getting ready, and I'm like, what were you.

[Whitney Cummings]

Well, it's also there. I would love to talk about that. We'll do it really quick because have you looked into your ancestry and your ancestral trauma and what you've inherited? And have you done Family Constellation?

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but they're like Holocaust survivors, so probably done. Honestly, you're not done.

[Whitney Cummings]

You're not anxious enough. Given the circumstance, you're actually being pretty chill about all this. I feel like you should be way more anxious. But also. Yeah, you evolve that way to survive. And, you know, I think for me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I'm down with it. You're down with the anxiety, by the way.

[Whitney Cummings]

But it's also, again, whether she has borderline personality disorder. That's. That's none of my business. But also what I heard, the going information I had was, if someone has borderline personality disorder, you don't tell them they have it because it makes it worse, number one. And number two, I think that, like, men for the longest time called us crazy. You know, whether they're gaslighting or truly believed it, who knows? You're crazy, you're neurotic, you're obsessed, you're a stalker, whatever. And now we've kind of started doing it to ourselves a little bit. And so for me, I think it's just, like, if you had feelings, that doesn't mean you're borderline. You might just, like, be upset that day and something bad. And, like, we'll dismiss our actual feelings by giving ourselves, like, an overarching diagnosis because maybe it feels better, whatever. But I also like to just say to younger gals out there, like, be careful what you say on the Internet, because some scumbag in 20 years might use it to take custody of your kid from you. You know? So it's like going online and saying things like, I'm from borderline. I tried to kill myself. If it helps you heal, great. But just also, like, you don't have to share everything if you don't want to. Medical diagnoses, like, who knows? Could use that against you at some point.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, Just another thing to be paranoid about.

[Whitney Cummings]

Guys, have you ever taken beta blockers?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I haven't. I feel like they would help me, but I. I'm too anxious to take the thing that helps anxiety.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's. I mean, placebo effect doesn't affect. Just take the 5 milligram. It's fake.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Have you taken it? Yeah, it helps. Are you on it right now?

[Whitney Cummings]

No. All it does is stops adrenaline.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I think Jennifer Aniston even said she takes it for, like, red carpets, for.

[Whitney Cummings]

Like, leaving the house. I mean, she's genius. And she. But also, I have it in my bag. I think it makes me feel like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It'Ll stop my heart. That's the vibe it gives.

[Whitney Cummings]

Just having it is, like, 90% of it. I'm really into that kind of placebo effect. Like, I know I have it if I need it, which is, like, kind of the whole thing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'm like, I don't need. Okay, I don't need it. But taking it, like, you take such a low dose. Like, I'm on such a baby dose of Prozac. And I talked to my psychiatrist about it. I was like, my life is, like, totally different. Like, I don't obsess about things anymore. And he was like. I'm like, I need to tell you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're like, not on a medical dose.

[Whitney Cummings]

He was like, it's a placebo dose. But, like, placebo effect is 60% effective if I want to become a doctor and just start a placebo practice because it's 60 effective, which is higher than most medications.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, that is literally why child.

[Whitney Cummings]

But also, I think having anxiety, like, given what's going on, probably gonna. When the drones come, you'll be the first, you know, out. You'll be packed, you'll be ready to go. I don't trust people that aren't anxious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, so everyone else just has to take care of it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. Chill. People are weird. In what order did the friends find out about Monica and Chandler's relationship? This is the first one. The first Whitney who saw them. Oh, Phoebe, Joey. Okay, but then, then Rachel, then Phoebe.

[Whitney Cummings]

All at the window.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, Joey knew about it first and he was covering for them.

[Whitney Cummings]

I thought when they were kissing in the window.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No. And then. No. And then Rachel already knew about it because she picked up when. When Monica. Okay, onto the next.

[Whitney Cummings]

I have mom brain and you're bullying me.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'm bullying. What is the name of the restaurant where Monica works as a chef for most of the series?

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, my God, this is so annoying. Valentino.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, Alessandro, I gave it to you on my.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's like something.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, this is the easiest one. It doesn't even deserve to be here. We'll give it to you.

[Whitney Cummings]

I'll overthink it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What is the name of Phoebe's most famous song? Yeah.

[Whitney Cummings]

Smelly cup.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay. What is the name of Joey soap opera character who has a twin Doctor, You're. You're gonna get trolled for this.

[Whitney Cummings]

It's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It starts with a D. I don't remember Drake Ramore.

[Whitney Cummings]

Oh, yeah, you know, I didn't know. I, I. There's certain things you're like, I knew that. And you're like, I knew it wasn't close. I wasn't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

What does Ross famously scream when trying to help his friends move a couch? Okay, nice. What is Rachel's ex fiance Barry do for a living?

[Whitney Cummings]

The orthodontist.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Nice. What dessert does Rachel make on Thanksgiving that turns out disgusting?

[Whitney Cummings]

Hold on. I know this. It's not the truffle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, it is.

[Whitney Cummings]

It is called something.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Trifle.

[Whitney Cummings]

Trifle. Fall. It's called the truffle. It's trifle.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's not a truffle. It's all tr. Whitney, I could talk to you for hours, but what can I do? Thank you again, Whitney Cummings, for coming on my show. May there be a part. 2, 3, 4 and 5, 6. I could talk to you forever. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not skinny but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.