Are We Still Allowed to Like Kanye?! | Not Today, Pal

Summary

Not Today, Pal with Jamie-Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler Episode: Are We Still Allowed to Like Kanye?! Release Date: July 31, 2025

In the “Are We Still Allowed to Like Kanye?!” episode of Not Today, Pal by YMH Studios, former siblings from The Sopranos, Jamie-Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler engage in their signature blend of humor and candid conversation. This episode delves into several key topics, ranging from media rebranding and nostalgic media formats to personal anecdotes involving celebrities and parenting insights. Below is a detailed summary of the episode's main discussions, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for context.

1. HBO Max Name Change Controversy

The episode opens with Robert (James) expressing frustration over HBO Max's recent rebranding efforts. He shares how the conflicting information about the platform's name change has sparked confusion among his listeners.

James [00:00]: "HBO Max said they're changing their name to Max, and now they're... [00:29] Jamie: "Didn't they say that before?"

Jamie concurs, emphasizing HBO's strong legacy and her belief that HBO doesn't need rebranding.

Jamie [01:16]: "No, I think if anyone didn't have to rebrand, it's HBO."

James highlights the potential marketing mishaps, pondering the decision to drop "HBO" from the name.

James [00:39]: "If I was in a meeting and they were like, we're taking away the HBO part. I'd be like, let's calm down on that."

2. Nostalgia for Vintage Media and Marketing

The hosts reminisce about older media formats and marketing strategies, sharing fond memories of CDs and album promotions from their youth.

Jamie [01:45]: "Showing that type of shit pop up on Instagram makes me so happy."

They discuss the impact of physical media like CDs and subscription services, reminiscing about the infamous Publisher's Clearing House model and its deceptive practices.

James [03:16]: "That's how they get you. And then you're subscribed. It's like Girls Gone Wild, right?"

Their conversation fondly recalls how these old marketing tactics often led to humorous yet frustrating experiences.

3. HBO Max Documentary: The Coroner

Transitioning to content on HBO Max, James introduces a documentary titled The Coroner, discussing its premise about a mortician involved in criminal activities. This sparks a deeper conversation about the logistics and ethics of cremation processes.

James [05:07]: "I think it might even be called the Coroner." Jamie [05:25]: "We're bringing it back to HBO, Max, and that's that."

They humorously debate the feasibility of the cremation times depicted in the documentary, questioning the speed and methods used.

Jamie [06:18]: "Oh, well, here's the credit card thing. And you've been paying it for a month."

4. Acting Memories and Headshot Stories

James and Jamie delve into their acting backgrounds, sharing amusing and cringe-worthy stories about headshots and auditions.

James [09:05]: "I think this was my headshot for Sopranos." Jamie [10:20]: "Sometimes multiples, like have you smiling, of you serious, of you silly."

James humorously recounts his headshot featuring dodgeball as a "special skill," highlighting the often absurd nature of audition requirements.

James [11:01]: "I can't play dodgeball. And I was fat, which is even crazier."

5. Encounter with Kanye West

A significant portion of the episode centers around a nostalgic yet humorous recount of a photo opportunity with Kanye West at a fashion show.

James [15:47]: "Look at Robbie. You look like you're in some sort of cage with Kanye West." James [17:09]: "He's like, what's wrong with you?"

They describe the awkward interaction where Kanye's frustration with the photographer disrupted the candid moment, leading to an unexpected exchange.

James [17:40]: "We go like that, and then he's like, yo, what's wrong with you?"

6. The Complex Relationship with Kanye West’s Music

The hosts transition into a discussion about Kanye West's music, grappling with the dilemma of appreciating his artistry despite his controversial statements and actions.

James [19:32]: "I hear his music, and now I think it's bad." Jamie [19:49]: "He's so outspoken about certain things that are pretty terrible."

Jamie shares her perspective as a Jewish woman, explaining how Kanye's overtly hateful and problematic behavior complicates her appreciation of his music.

Jamie [19:37]: "Now it's worse. His beliefs in private. He's so outwardly, aggressively, and I know debatedly he's just not well."

7. Parenting Discussions: Hospital Bags and Childbirth

Shifting gears, Jamie and James discuss preparations for childbirth, specifically focusing on hospital bags and their evolution from the first to subsequent children.

James [21:11]: "Before Ridge, I had this bulky, beat up leather wallet..." (Note: The subsequent segment includes an advertisement for Ridge Wallets and other sponsors, which is skipped as per instructions.)

8. Public Breastfeeding: Comfort Levels and Social Norms

The conversation evolves into societal attitudes towards public breastfeeding, with Jamie and James sharing their viewpoints and personal experiences.

James [29:21]: "I'm looking you in your eyes. Like, I went to a dinner recently with a new mom and she pulled out the tit and she's like, feeding." Jamie [30:44]: "It's their main supplement of supplementation."

They discuss the balance between supporting breastfeeding mothers and their own comfort levels in public settings.

Jamie [30:24]: "The main source of food. So I get that. But when it gets... your kid doesn't have to nurse to have food."

9. Children's Curiousity and Early Sexual Awareness

Jamie and James humorously touch upon their children's innocent yet precocious questions about attractiveness and body awareness.

Jamie [34:21]: "Bo told me this story the other day. He goes, 'Mom, I think you'll like this.'" James [34:21]: "You're getting flattered by the six-year-old thinking you're a baddie."

Their anecdotes highlight the challenges of navigating conversations about body image and appropriateness with young children.

10. Space Needle and Architectural Discussions

In an unexpected detour, the hosts engage in an architectural discussion about the Space Needle's presence in various cities, expressing skepticism and curiosity about its symbolic significance.

James [35:19]: "What are space needles? Space heels. Built to inspire and symbolize the city's embrace of the space age." Jamie [36:21]: "Is there not a weirder thing than like, like now as an adult, like, going to get head shots is so weird."

They ponder the reasons behind constructing similar-looking structures in different locations, questioning the authenticity and intentions behind such architectural choices.

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Jamie and James maintain their playful banter, hinting at future podcast themes and personal commitments. Their lively interaction underscores the enduring bond between two friends with contrasting personalities, capable of navigating a diverse array of topics with humor and insight.

Notable Quotes:

• James [00:00]: "HBO Max said they're changing their name to Max, and now they're..."
• Jamie [01:16]: "No, I think if anyone didn't have to rebrand, it's HBO."
• James [05:07]: "I think it might even be called the Coroner."
• James [17:09]: "He's like, what's wrong with you?"
• Jamie [19:32]: "He's so outspoken about certain things that are pretty terrible."
• James [29:21]: "I'm looking you in your eyes. Like, I went to a dinner recently with a new mom and she pulled out the tit and she's like, feeding."

This episode masterfully balances discussions on media trends, personal experiences with celebrities, and parenting challenges, all while maintaining the duo's trademark comedic flair. Whether debating the merits of HBO's branding or sharing heartfelt stories about their children, Jamie and James offer listeners both laughter and relatable insights.

Transcript

[James]

Not today, pal. I've been getting a lot of texts, people reaching out about. There's a show on hbo, Max, which by. Listen, I. I'm not. I don't claim to be any sort of marketing genius or no one. I wouldn't give anyone advice this, but HBO Max said they're changing their name to Max, and now they're.

[Jamie]

Didn't they say that before?

[James]

Well, that they're just. That happened a while ago. That they're just Max. And then a report came out, like, a few months in. They were like, we're going back to hbo, Max. It's like, yeah. No, guys.

[Jamie]

Yeah, hbo. Hbo. It's just.

[James]

Yeah. You have a. Like a.

[Jamie]

A legacy.

[James]

Yeah. I was like, well. And listen, I. I never. When it comes to, like, marketing, I don't know. Like, I would listen to those guys over anything. If I was in a meeting and they were like, we're taking away the HBO part. I'd be like, let's. Let's calm down on that.

[Jamie]

That guy got fired.

[James]

Or gal, maybe. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Not a good move.

[James]

Unless. Unless they. Because you know how whatever the Hollywood machine is, unless they spun it where they were, like, now we're bringing it back to hbo, Max, and that's that. We got a lot of press off of it. Like, you know, like, it was. It was a bullet. People talk. Look at. Look at all the engagement we got.

[Jamie]

Yeah. No, I think if. If anyone didn't have to rebrand, it's hbo.

[James]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jamie]

They've just been a clean, Clean reputation.

[James]

That's. Yeah. Like, where do you draw? Like, oh, guys, imagine sitting down. And it's like. It's like, everything's going good. We're starting to do Game of Thrones and some guy's like, I think we gotta drop the hbo. It's like, excuse me.

[Jamie]

No, like, do you remember when it was just the Movie channel and there was like. Do you remember?

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And it was like lifting up the letters and you didn't quite know what it was. And then it would show. It was hv.

[James]

Yeah. It was like little lights.

[Jamie]

Yeah, right. I love those little things that bring back memories. Like, I posted on Insta. Reposted on Instagram the other day. Like, that album that used to always advertise at like, 2 or 3 in the morning called Pure Moods. And it would be like, sell away and all the Enya stuff. Yeah, I used to love those. Like, seeing that type of shit pop up on Instagram makes me so happy.

[James]

There were There were times where, like, I would hear songs and I would think it was about to change it to the other song on the radio because I was so used to the. You know, and then just go right into the next one. But remember when it was like, you know, what were the albums like? Wow, 21. Now. Now 21. And those.

[Jamie]

Those were all the pop songs.

[James]

But the problem is, then they went crazy. It was like, I remember, like, they put that out, and I was like, oh, this is cool. And they tried to come out with one, like, every week. And I was like, yo, chill.

[Jamie]

75.

[James]

Yeah, you got. You gotta. You know what I mean? It's like, yo, you gotta. You gotta leave the HBO. You gotta chill.

[Jamie]

The big booklet of CDs I'd have in my car.

[James]

What was the CD like? Delivery server that you get like five a month or whatever. Not Publishers Clearinghouse. Can you look that up? The Publishers Clearing there was like, a cd monthly subscription service.

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[James]

You'll definitely know. I think you'll know the name when.

[Jamie]

When someone said.

[James]

Tells us. Yeah, but the vinyl subscription look like what it was called in, like, the 90s or whatever. BMG Music. Columbia. Columbia House. Yeah, Yeah, I think Columbia House. A Publisher's Clearinghouse. That was kind of close. All right, you get 12 CDs for a penny. Yeah, that's how they get you. And then you're subscribed. It's like Girls Gone Wild, right? That's the song on the CD.

[Jamie]

Or full albums?

[James]

No, it's full CDs.

[Jamie]

It was.

[James]

Yeah. And you get to pick your CDs, you get to send it in. So, like, you. You get 12 right away. And then there was a monthly thing. But on the monthly thing, they. You, of course, you know, that's Girls Gone Wild. That was the scam. So Girls Gone Wild, it was like, guys, 1999, you see all these naked, hot girls, and they're all, you know, barely legal. And people would be like, yeah, 1999 come. And then it was like, next month, your credit card got hit with, like, $50 and some other whack tape, which. That's how they made all that money. Yeah, that's how they got so rich. And then I remember, like, my boys when we were younger, some of them lived with their girlfriends or, like, their wives or whatever. But then some of them lived with their mom. And they would know when the one was coming. So they're like, bang. They'd be like, no. They'd be like, got the video, like, so we could all watch it and da, da, da. But then they didn't know the second one was coming. And they would just show up one day and someone be like, what is this? You know, Girls Gone Wild? Like, in the. I don't know why they're sending that. And then they like, look, oh, well, here's the credit card thing. And you've been paying it for a month. And. And then you look like such an even more scumbag when it's like, instead of just buying this one tape that you got suckered into, you, like, subscribe to, like, a monthly naked girl showing their titty service. Oh, so many guys got by that. Yeah. That's why everybody hated Joe Francis.

[Jamie]

Infomercials, though. Like, you know, you. There was such fine print on the tv, you. You never knew. You didn't understand. Of course, for 22.99, and it was like eight payments of.

[James]

@ the bottom, heads get fucked. But my point was, I get all these texts about HBO Max, AKA formerly known as Max, now known as HBO Max. There's. Can you look this up? There's a thing about, like, the Coroner. There's, like, a funeral home guy who got caught doing all this crazy shit.

[Jamie]

On H. And there's something about it on HBO Max.

[James]

It's a documentary on HBO Max. Yeah. I think it might even be called the Coroner.

[Jamie]

What's he doing on it?

[James]

I think he. Like the mortician. Yeah. So what. What is. Yeah, let's. You could. You could watch. We could fire it off for a few seconds. Let's see, I could cremate one guy in, like, two hours. Or you could put 10 of them in there and take two and a half hours. He would talk all the time about sneaky ways of killing people.

[Jamie]

Oh, he killed people, though.

[James]

Was David a part of any. Allegedly. Don't. What murders? I can tell you more of this, but you gotta promise not to tell on me. Said to a cat guy.

[Jamie]

Dark. James, I'm sold.

[James]

I can't believe hp. Listen, you have a footprint over there at HBO Max. I'm surprised they didn't come to you for.

[Jamie]

I'm the. I'm the funeral gal.

[James]

You're the funeral gal. How did they not. Your agent didn't get a call unless.

[Jamie]

They'Ve intercepted and be like, stop this.

[James]

Yeah, she's okay. Yeah.

[Jamie]

We need to pump the brakes on this.

[James]

I don't know, James.

[Jamie]

I don't care enough about me for that.

[James]

That. Do we have to investigate? Do we have to.

[Jamie]

But this is saying he's Committing murders.

[James]

Well, but he's running a funeral home, so it's all connected.

[Jamie]

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, what better guy that has access to the. It takes two and a half. It takes an hour to cremate a body.

[James]

I mean, I would listen to the experts. I don't know.

[Jamie]

Would you have thought that. That it took that long? Any of you?

[James]

Well, I guess because they have to burn the bones. Did the burn.

[Jamie]

Do the bones burn an hour? An entire house can burn. Burned down in minutes.

[James]

They find bones from like a hundred million years. They're like, oh, look at this Tyrannosaurus neck. Like, you know what I mean? They find from so long ago. Obviously, these bones, they last.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

Maybe an hour is low. What do you guys think back there? I mean, a house is wood? Like.

[Jamie]

Yeah. More than just wood.

[James]

I mean, is it. I don't know. It's like. I mean, I feel. I don't know. The foundation is. It's all wood.

[Jamie]

Right, right.

[James]

And also, you're thinking of like, a fire has to start. They're pushing that button and it's like.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James]

Maximum fire.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

You know?

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

I don't know. Can.

[Jamie]

I mean, 10 bodies in two and a half hours.

[James]

This is one of the weird things to Google, but can you see how long does it take to burn bones?

[Jamie]

Also, how does somebody be like, that's the smell of burning flesh. Like, how do you know what that smells like?

[James]

This is why you need to investigate on. You should have been part of this, Jame.

[Jamie]

Maybe this is my next move.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Investigative reporter.

[James]

Yes. It says it takes hours. I don't know, James. I. You know, there was a long time and I still. Now I just don't really think about it. But even when I was young, I was like, I want to be cremated.

[Jamie]

Yeah. Yeah, me too.

[James]

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the move. Just, I want to be gone. I don't know. Like the whole.

[Jamie]

Yeah, me too.

[James]

Well, you have to want to be cremated because you have so little trust in the. In the post. This is true post life operations.

[Jamie]

I would be such a hypocrite.

[James]

Yeah. You know, what are they doing to these? What are they doing in these bodies? Wow. I would love to get Jamie on the case. Well, maybe this is. Maybe this is our next thing on the ca.

[Jamie]

Well, somebody's got to fund it.

[James]

I think you'll like to see this. So there was an Instagram I sent to Zolo. It was. Somebody sent it to me. It's. Who's playing Harry Potter in The next.

[Jamie]

There's another Harry Potter.

[James]

Harry Potter. Oh, that's what somebody Instagrammed. I don't know.

[Jamie]

Headshot.

[James]

I don't know.

[Jamie]

Is that a jean jacket?

[James]

As a jean jacket. I don't know how someone found this. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Jamie]

Well, that must be from a Sopranos, like cast board, right?

[James]

Something.

[Jamie]

It looks like a casting board.

[James]

Was that. You think that's a real picture? I thought that was kind of like a. Like, you know, not a filter. I know. No, I know my head shot is. But I thought like it was like a.

[Jamie]

It's a. Well, looks like a photocopy.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Unless it's like a detective's thing of suspects.

[James]

Yeah, there's a string attached to.

[Jamie]

Did he push the teacher's arm?

[James]

The mortician. Yeah. There's a string attached to a school bus. Yeah. Lunchbox snow. That's. That's. I don't know, a pile of snow with my big fat body imprint. A big fat 11 year old body imprint. Yeah. No, I think I was like 10 years old. But like you said, I think this was my headshot for Sopranos. Like. Like going into Sopranos. I think because what. I left acting for a while and. And because I broke my arm, a bunch of shit happened when I came back. They were like, yeah, you need to get new.

[Jamie]

New headshot. Well, yeah, as a kid you had to get new ones all the time.

[James]

Is there not a weirder thing than like, like now as an adult, like, going to get head shots is so weird.

[Jamie]

First of all, I remember the first time I did it, I was like so frozen I didn't know what to do. And the guy had me march and he's like, just march in place and like say some like. And I remember thinking this. What the am I doing? And he got the shot.

[James]

So anybody who doesn't know, can you explain to them what head shots are?

[Jamie]

So back in the day, I mean, I guess you still need them now, maybe not. When you would go to an audition, you would literally each time have to present them with an 8 by 10 black and white photo. Sometimes multiples, like have you smiling, of you serious, of you silly. Like to show like all the different sides of your personality.

[James]

And on the back, they couldn't imagine what someone smiling looks like. It's so stupid.

[Jamie]

And the back would be your resume, your name, your contacts, all of your past experience, your special skills. I remember mine were like rollerblading. You know, I had.

[James]

I had one of the cringiest special skills of all time. What was it? Dodgeball? Because I remember my.

[Jamie]

I can't play dodgeball.

[James]

And I was fat, which is even crazier. But my manager's like, what are you good at? And I was like, only one thing. Dodgeball. I'm fucking nice. And he was like, I don't think we should put that on there. I was like, you're putting that on there.

[Jamie]

I love it so much.

[James]

Yeah, it was like dodgeball. And then my manager's like, I'm just gonna fill it with a bunch stuff that like, they like, you know, he was like. He was like. I remember they tried to get you to take like tap dancing. Yeah, if you could tap dance. You really. I was like, I'm not tap dancing.

[Jamie]

I think that was all mainly for commercials. Right? They wanted to know if you could like.

[James]

Well, those shows too. Like, if. Do you sing? Do you. That was like a big.

[Jamie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James]

Oh, it was the worst.

[Jamie]

So, yeah, you would have to spend a lot of money having, like, we would have one of those, like old, you know, brown and white marble looking like cardboard boxes full of 8 by 10 and photos. Because you would have to. If you're going out for a comedy, you'd give them the smiling one. Or if you're going out for a drama, you'd give them the serious. So many of them had like your, like your. Your ch. Your, you know, hand under your chin.

[James]

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[James]

It was so nobody looked cool in their head shot. Everyone looked like a loser. Yeah, because it was just so. And I remember them like, you know, sometimes I'd go to school and it'd be like, you have three auditions after school and they'd be like, here are your. And I was like, I'm not bringing those to school. Like, if somebody finds these, I'm dead. You know, if they find their special skills, resume is dodgeball. Oh, you're getting crushed. Next gym class. Yeah, there's just. No, you don't.

[Jamie]

I don't think you have to. I don't. I have. I haven't brought one in forever, but I think it's been a while since people have had to do that now.

[James]

Well, also, I, I, I used to.

[Jamie]

Take polaroids of you too. You would have the headshot and then they would also take a picture of you.

[James]

I mean, all this unnecessary shit. Those are just floating and like on.

[Jamie]

Like a piece of paper you would sign in. You'd sign in your name, the time you arrived, your agency name and your Social Security number.

[James]

Yeah, everyone's Social Security number. Around back when you could like steal people these easily. Everyone's Social Security number.

[Jamie]

Dropping that all over the place.

[James]

I, I was like crazy. I remember looking at other nine year olds and being like, you don't know your social. Like, they'd be like, what? I'd be like 6, 2, 3.

[Jamie]

Easiest in my memory because of the amount of times I've had to write.

[James]

I know my social bi. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Backwards and forwards.

[James]

These weirdo kid actors that we are. Do we have Memory lane. Perhaps we do. Oh, you sound excited for this one. Oh, come on. I mean, listen, you couldn't have put this six months ago? You couldn't have used this as a. I think we might have even. This is. This is putting me in a bad light now. Wow. Yeah. This was.

[Jamie]

Look at Robbie. You look like you're in some sort of cage with Kanye West.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Who's that behind you?

[James]

Is that Farnsworth? Bentley. Right, It's Farnsworth. Benley.

[Jamie]

Look at him in that sharp outfit.

[James]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie]

Looking so good.

[James]

We were at. Oh, man. Wait, so I have to. I have to. I forgot. We're supposed to guess. What? How old? I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say 2007. This was at a fashion show under the 59th Street Bridge. It was actually pretty dope. How am I doing with that close? 2006.

[Jamie]

2006. Sprite Street Couture party.

[James]

Okay. Yeah. Fashion show. It was just. Again, you told. Back then. You told Rob, like, now it's impossible to get me out of my house back then. You called me up and said, there's an open bar. Robbie's coming. Yeah. That's all you have to say? Open bar. Anyway, I'd be like, okay, talk to.

[Jamie]

Me about what happened before and after this photo.

[James]

I forget who it was, but somebody came over, and they're like, hey, we want to get a picture with you and Kanye.

[Jamie]

Johnny Nunez wanted it. What do you mean?

[James]

Yeah. And I just rolled over. Okay, so I'll tell you exactly what happened. I remember this. So they, like, we said, what's up? And then, like, as we're saying, what's up? He's like, oh, can you turn for a picture? And, like, so this is right before Kanye yelled at the photographer. So we go like that, and then we both, like, turn. And then he's like. He's like, yo, what's wrong with you? Like, he's like, right now, what's the word?

[Jamie]

When you're like, he looks so willing to take the photo.

[James]

No, no, no. He was. He was saying, what's up to me? And he was. But what's. What's. What's the word? When you're like, it's not planned, Candid. Can't. Right? That's. He's like. He's like, yo. He was like, what's wrong? He's like, yo, can. It's hot right now. He's like, that would have been a sick picture you could have just had of us saying what's up? To each other. And you ruined it by calling us both. And he, like, yelled at the guy, and then, like. And then he was like, now just take candid. And then, like, kept talking to me, and we just, like, kept talking. I just saw him, like, you yell at.

[Jamie]

What happened?

[James]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He full on, like, yelled at the guy, and then we were just bullshitting. But I think this. This was before. What was. What was Kanye's.

[Jamie]

Can you look up, like, Gold Digger?

[James]

What did we say? 2006. Like, what. What songs did Kanye have in, like, 2006, 2005? Because I feel like this was right before he, like, really popped off.

[Jamie]

It must have been, like, gold Digger.

[James]

Registration, Best rap album.

[Jamie]

But what were the songs on it?

[James]

Touch the sky is. I mean, listen, there's. There's. The debate's gonna go on forever of, like, when somebody's, you know, acting up. Do you still like their. I mean, if. If you listen to Touch the Sky and you don't like it, I mean, something's wrong. I mean, wouldn't get far with the game. Are you kidding me? I mean, this great. But still, these are. What about, like, what about 2005 Kanye west songs? Because I'm trying. I feel like this is right before, but I could be totally wrong. Like, he, like, so can you look? What. What year did Gold Digger come out? This was go. Was Gold Digger. Like, that wasn't his first big song, but that's what, like, right after that was, like, Every song was 2005. Okay. Yeah. So he was. Yeah, he was kind, but. Well, Jamie, do you want to talk about it? As a Jewish lady, how you feel about people still? Like, I saw somebody wearing, like, you can't.

[Jamie]

I'm staying quiet right now.

[James]

Oh, yeah. So what do you do? What are you doing? These, like, listen.

[Jamie]

People not gonna give it anything.

[James]

Not you, Yami Lee. I'm saying, what do you do as a society? What is like, you. You go to a wedding. What, are you not gonna play Michael Jackson like, these songs and, like.

[Jamie]

Yeah, no, I listen. His. His muse. Some of his music I. I loved.

[James]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jamie]

It still gives me that same feeling, but it's a real bummer. I mean, he said some really shitty things.

[James]

Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, what do you do?

[Jamie]

I know. I understand.

[James]

I don't. I don't have that switch in my head to be like, I'm. I. I. I hear his music, and now I think it's bad. Like, I don't. But I think People do like, or.

[Jamie]

People are like, yeah, but I also think with somebody like him, it's like it's not, it's not that he was exposed. Like this is worse. His beliefs in private. Like he's so outwardly, aggressively, and I know debatedly he's just not well. But like he's so outward with his hatred and opinions and like that makes it hard then to have any kind of acceptance for him. And even his past music, if it was one thing where it's like this, he was just kind of an behind scenes and you find out, I think maybe you could have a little bit more. It's still fucking terrible, but I think because he's so outspoken about certain things that are pretty terrible.

[James]

See, I could see the argument for hating him even more because it's like I just heard your song, I wanted to dance, but instead I gotta keep it, you know, I gotta keep it buttoned up and pretend like I'm not enjoying this. Like.

[Jamie]

Yeah, you're triggered in all the ways.

[James]

Yeah, that's gotta suck.

[Jamie]

You had your time with him.

[James]

Yeah, listen, hey, that was, you know, he did whisper something similar about the Jews. But let's, let's, let's, let's go. Let's change the topic too. Your lovely children. I want to know when, when you were putting a bag together to have your first kid, right? Because that's what everybody does. You're like a hospital bag, right? We have the hospital bag. So what do you put in a hospital bag?

[Jamie]

Like comfy pajamas, obviously, like toiletries, like zip up hoodies, like anything that's like button zip up. Yeah, just like cozies, socks.

[James]

And how did your, how did your, what is it called again? Pregnancy bag or hospital bag? Hospital bag. How did your hospital bag change from kid one to kid two? Or was it the same?

[Jamie]

Did you like much smaller, much simple. Like I remember every being like have your hospital bag ready. You know what I mean? But then people started making like businesses like of making ready made hospital bags, but like, you know, silky pajamas, like the coziest of everything. No, like with Jack, with both my kids, I knew I was getting induced. There was no like rush to the hospital. But no, I just literally threw things in the. I'm a terrible packer anyway. I literally throw underwear, bras, sweats, but like I just like throw it in there. I'm not like a meticulous.

[James]

And do you go like I'll put a granola bar. Like any food are you going with or no?

[Jamie]

Oh no, we just eat Right. We could, like, post me. Yeah. Afterwards. Yeah.

[James]

You're not supposed to eat afterwards.

[Jamie]

No, you're not supposed to eat before.

[James]

Before, yeah. Right.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

Because the poop.

[Jamie]

Well, no, not because of that. Because of. You can't eat, I think, after you've had your epidural.

[James]

Oh.

[Jamie]

But even once you either say you see your pitocin or your epidural, after one of those, you can't have food anymore.

[James]

Well, when women are going into labor, even if they're not getting that stuff, they get, like, ice chips and that stuff. I thought that was so that you don't shit all over the doctor.

[Jamie]

No, you shit all over the doctor no matter what.

[James]

Oh, that's so crazy.

[Jamie]

Yeah. I mean, I actually did ask. I was like, was it bad? She's like, no, you didn't really do much, but, like, think about how much you're having, like, the pressure you're having to push. Like, if nothing comes out, you're not.

[James]

Doing it right well away. I'm just saying it's crazy. It's like, I can't. I don't cut her.

[Jamie]

Wouldn't know. He was basically in another room.

[James]

Like, I don't even. I don't know. Like, I guess as. As a woman. I don't know. Like, do women go like. Because it's such a. Like, different thing. Like, do you even go, like, by that point, like, oh, it's embarrassing that somebody's gonna see me. Like, you don't even think that way about delivering the baby. But the thing would bother me, a.

[Jamie]

Girl I knew that, like, knew she was going to the hospital and did an enema at home because she was so adamant that she did not want to poop on the table. Like, it was.

[James]

That's my kind of lady. I bet. I would, like, whoever you're talking about.

[Jamie]

Yeah. My friend Amanda.

[James]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's a classy lady right there.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

Listen, she's like, I'm going into labor. Let me enema real.

[Jamie]

There's so many other things that I'm thinking about than that for.

[James]

Of course. No, it would be the. At the time, it's like, the last thing you would. Yeah, of course.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

I don't give a. Yeah, it's like when the. When the. The killer is in the house until when he runs up the stairs and you're like, why would you run up the stairs? You know, when it's actually time. Your brain's all over the shop. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, that's. Yeah. Because if you think about it, you were saying, like, people make a business out of the baby bags and this, what do they say? It's weddings, funerals, and babies. Or when people just have no control over spending. Right. Like, those are the best businesses to get into and see funerals. Again with the funeral. I think we've talked about this, but I remember my grandfather passed away and they're like, like, yeah, this is like the cheapest box you could put them in for five grand. But like, this one, right.

[Jamie]

You don't want to feel like an asshole putting them. A cheap ass.

[James]

Of course. And you know, my. So my friends who I think. Sorry if I've talked about this on the pod. Exactly. But my friends, it reminds me of this. My friends in New York who own restaurants, they're like, if you put a small steak on the menu, if you like flamingon, small or large, everybody will get the small. But if you put small, medium, large, everyone will get the medium. Especially guys. Like, if guys are on a date, they never want to be like, I'll take the petite filet. Like, you know what I mean?

[Jamie]

Sure.

[James]

Yeah. So they're like, oh, that's a move.

[Jamie]

Even my boys will always try to be like, I don't want the. This petite one. And I'm like, that's all you can eat. You won't even finish it.

[James]

You got to sneak that to the waiter. You got to make it. But I'm going to say the regular flav, but just make it the petite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want the petite filet. Yeah. While you're yourself in front of a doctor, that's just. That's just nightmare territory for me. I'm still. I'm still a little rattled by it to be on. Oh, well, we're on this topic. You know what? I just found out what they make scented tampons. I didn't know that.

[Jamie]

That can't be good for you.

[James]

That's what I'm saying, right. Because you always talk about fragrances are bad.

[Jamie]

Well, yeah, not only that, I found out, like, you know, the tampons I've been using most of majority of my life have had. Have terrible things in them. So now they have clean tampons, but a fragrance. Okay, let's talk about something we all want. Fuller, healthier hair. If you've been dealing with thinning, breakage, or just want to level up your hair game, check this out.

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[Jamie]

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[James]

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[Jamie]

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[Jamie]

Well, that's also just literally inside of you smell good. Who's like, literally going inside that you care what it smells like?

[James]

See, and that's what I'm saying, because.

[Jamie]

In there is not what makes a vagina stinky.

[James]

Stinky.

[Jamie]

That's not what makes a vagina stinky. It's. It's not cleaning in the crevices that makes it stinky.

[James]

Oh.

[Jamie]

If you think about it, it's like, you know, there's a lot of drops in there.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

And things, you know, that's where you've got to like, air it out and clean it out. But not in the canal.

[James]

Wow.

[Jamie]

Val, they'll think of.

[James]

Yes.

[Jamie]

He.

[James]

Scented. What scent is that?

[Jamie]

No bueno. H E B Brand. What are you doing? He.

[James]

Because here's my thing, Jamie. I could see this starting. I don't know, roses.

[Jamie]

But see, here's like it says, here's.

[James]

The thing, Jamie, right? Imagine, like I could see this causing fights between a guy and a girl because imagine you're dating somebody for six months and she's like, babe, can you pick me up tampons on the way home? And then I bring you home scented tampons. And you're like, wait, you think my. What are you trying to tell me? My especially, like leading up to, you know, God forbid, if it's that time, if it's the wrong time of month, and you, you, you make this mistake. But also, like a guy could be like, hey, she always asks for roses. Like, this is roses. Scented tampons.

[Jamie]

And then you put it down to A guy. I think it would be an honest.

[James]

But what if. What if you were PMSing and he gave you rose scented tampons and you were like, hey, what are you trying to say? I think this could. Cause I think these. These. These companies are trying to ruin relationships by doing this.

[Jamie]

Well, or ruin people.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

That cannot be good for you. Come on.

[James]

You. Did you find any specific scented ones or just generally scented? It says.

[Jamie]

Yeah, it's just generally scented. This one says odor shield, whatever that means.

[James]

Wow. Well, can you. Can you zoom into what kind of flower that is on the scented? Because that's going to be the descent. Whatever that. What is that, a geranium? That look like hibiscus?

[Jamie]

Yes.

[James]

Oh, you got that hibiscus. Yeah. Eight hours. This. This will give you eight hours of hibiscus. Puss.

[Jamie]

Wow.

[James]

I like it. Yeah.

[Jamie]

Well, listen, flush him down the toilet.

[James]

Our email is not today, palpodcast gmail.com. if you or your girl uses scented tampons, please let us know because. Stop. You want. You want to do a PSA for, For.

[Jamie]

Yeah. No. No. Good for you.

[James]

No more.

[Jamie]

No bueno.

[James]

Okay. What are we. Where are we at? Since we're on this topic, where are we at on breastfeeding in public? How does that make you. Where. What are your stances on that?

[Jamie]

The age.

[James]

The age of the baby if it's.

[Jamie]

A small child, like under a year? Yes. I think if you've got a toddler walking around. I'm not. I don't love it.

[James]

Yeah. I mean, listen, I. I'm all for. Listen, you women are. Your bodies are miracles. We appreciate everything you do. But here's my problem with the public breastfeeding is then because you know me with a little bit of the autism, I then I then have to focus so hard on letting that person know. Like, I'm looking you in your eyes. Like, I went to a dinner recently with a new mom and she. She pulled out the tit and she's like, feeding. And then I was like, that's a baby baby, though. No, no.

[Jamie]

How old?

[James]

No, I think just. It was like 13 months, as they say. It was like just over one.

[Jamie]

See, like around then I maybe can. Because it's like a lot of the times, you know, they're doing that, it's. It's their main supplement of supplementation.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

The main source of food. So I get that. But when it. Get. When you're having a kid that's eating three meals a day and, like, can snack on anything, but you're Also, no judgment on, like, how long you nurse for, but I don't think, like. And your kid doesn't have to nurse to have food. That's where I'm like, you. Or just excuse yourself and, like, go somewhere.

[James]

But then also, you don't want to be, like, breastfeeding your kid in a public bathroom. That's kind of gross. You know, like, go to your car.

[Jamie]

I don't know.

[James]

Yeah.

[Jamie]

Wait till you get home. Be like, eat this, and then I'll give you this at home.

[James]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just. Listen again. This is. To me, it has. I don't care if the kids 2, 3, 4. It just. I then. I then have 15 minutes of the most intense eye contact in my head that I. Is mandatory. Like, I'm just talking somebody. And I'm like, yeah, how's the foot? And I'm not even looking at my food when I get it. I'm like, I don't want to go buy the tit, you know? Because the only thing more weird than, you know, looking at a girl's tutor sitting across me is looking at her, too, while it's getting sucked on by a baby.

[Jamie]

We saw a woman nursing. I don't know where it was not too long ago. And Jack, you know, did the typical little kid thing where they're like, hell, yeah. Just, like, staring, looked at me, and he's like, did I do that? And I'm like, yeah. And he was not well about it. He did not like that, really.

[James]

But I remember you saying, why? I remember.

[Jamie]

I don't know. It's good for you.

[James]

Well, you should have been like, you know how dogs, you know, pigs. Yeah, That's. We're just animals.

[Jamie]

I said. I'm like, it's something that mommies can do. It's. It's good. It was good for you.

[James]

But I remember you saying, even, like, not that long ago, like, jack loves your boobs.

[Jamie]

Remember when you just loves to, like, grab. Like, he's just.

[James]

He's a guy.

[Jamie]

He's, like, figuring it out.

[James]

We do.

[Jamie]

He's like, yeah. He's like, third date. Yeah. He's actually recently at the age where, like, he. I'm not. He does not allow to shower with me anymore. He's not allowed to, like, if I'm in my room naked, like, wait outside. I'll come out when I'm dressed. Like, we've always. Around seven, eight for us has been, like, the age where, like, we're done now.

[James]

Yeah. I mean, listen, we've. We've discussed this also, I think very early on. But like, I think I never thought about this until I was like much older, like late 30s, where it's like there is something weird psychology wise of like when there are naked women on TV being like, oh, cover you cover your eyes. And like that has to do something to like a psyche. No, no, I'm just saying. But like, that, that was a thing for a long time and it's the thing with a lot of parents. Like, I know it was the thing we were like when I would watch a movie with my dad, he wasn't crazy about it, but like his wife would be. Or like if my mom was there, she'd cover your eye like someone's naked, you know, but that has to like, that's to do something to your psyche as like a guy of like, oh, that's bad, right?

[Jamie]

Like, sure, of course.

[James]

Don't look at this when you're like, I really want, I think more.

[Jamie]

Well, that's what it does. I think it feeds more than like the hunger for it or like the feeling like, why can't I see that? Why? You know, it just makes it even more appealing or attractive or uncomfortable. You know what I mean? I. Look, I think there's things we don't let them watch. Things that they, we just feel like they can't quite handle yet. So I don't think that Jack and Bo are watching anything with boobs.

[James]

Oh, they definitely are.

[Jamie]

Really?

[James]

Oh yeah. 100. Especially Bo. Bo's fucking.

[Jamie]

Bo is how old, Jamie?

[James]

How old is 11? Jamie, 11. Kids in my school were getting jerked.

[Jamie]

Off by 11 by telling you he's not there yet. He's not. He's not there yet.

[James]

Boobs. Boobs are a thing when you're any age.

[Jamie]

He's, he's just now started like, he'll always test me. Be like, Zach, girl, it's. Everyone's a baddie now. It's a bad.

[James]

Come on, Jamie, your way. I understand you not wanting to open that part of your brain, but he's.

[Jamie]

He'S a little humble. Brag was. Bo told me this story the other day. He goes, mom, I think you'll like this. Jack went up to Bo the other day and goes, bo, I think Mom's a baddie. I was like, wow, thank you.

[James]

Wow, you're really, you're really sheltered. If you're getting flattered by the six year old thinking you're a baddie.

[Jamie]

Well, no meaning like he's like, he, like it registered for him because now he's Always. He's always asking Beau. She a baddie? Is she a baddie? Is that a baddie? Like, he's trying to understand. Like, what do we think is, like, you know, nice looking?

[James]

I hate to tell you, Jam, your son's definitely. I know he's coming.

[Jamie]

I just. And it's fine. I just don't think he's watching that yet. I don't think he has access to that yet. I really don't.

[James]

There were kids bringing porno magazines into school way before I'm 11. With the Internet. The kids have.

[Jamie]

The Internet doesn't have it.

[James]

No, no, not him. But they figure out a way around it. There's somebody. One of those 10 year olds has a burner, I'm telling you. And they're all. They're subscribed. Did you. Did you. Okay, here's something I wanted to know that I. I was. I was watching something the other day and it's like, you know how there's like the Space Needle in Seattle and the Space Needle in Toronto? Or the. What are those? Like, are those something or is that just a design?

[Jamie]

I think it's just a architectural masterpiece. Yeah.

[James]

Is that what can you look up? Like, what are space needles? Space heels. Built to inspire and symbolize the city's embrace of the space age, particularly during the 1962. Oh, yeah, because there's one, like, in Queens too, right? Yeah, but okay, so what, why did they get billed? Why did one get built in Toronto? Why did one get built in New York? Like, why are there these. I'm not trying to go.

[Jamie]

Men in black fire and symbolize the city's embrace of the space.

[James]

You guys seeing anything back there?

[Jamie]

See, the Space Needle website emphasizes a tower's ability to inspect, inspire awe, and reflect the human spirit of ambition and innovation. To inspire wonder.

[James]

Because it's weird to me that, like, a city wouldn't just do their own other thing to inspire wonder. One of the most photographed and recognized structures in the world, the Space Needle, is built as a centerpiece for the 1962 World Fair. And then could you look up the one in Queens? Was that also built for the World's Fair?

[Jamie]

Yes, it was.

[James]

What are you thinking there? Like, the Bluetooth towers? I'm just like. I don't know when it has the word space and I don't know, like, what are these? I don't know what they. I never thought Bluetooth. I never thought they're like the 5G towers, you mean? No, I never thought they were like the 5G, but Bluetooth with you. I had a guy. I had an Uber driver. Tell me how fucked up. 5G. He said that he used to work on 5G towers, and he stopped to become an Uber driver because, like, crazy shit was happening to his friends and stuff.

[Jamie]

It's not a Space Needle in New York. It is a State Pavilion known as the Tent of Tomorrow, which was the tallest structure at the 1964 New York's World Fair in Queens. So it just looks like a Space Needle. The only Space Needle is in Queen. Is in Seattle.

[James]

And there's. There's. Wait, no. Is there. What is the thing that's in Toronto? Is there a Space Needle in Toronto? Let's see. Toronto Space Needle. The Space Needle in Toronto. Yeah. Don't tell me. There's only one, actually.

[Jamie]

The CN Tower.

[James]

So they all look like.

[Jamie]

They all look like it, but it's not.

[James]

There's only one. Huh. So you're just allowed to build things that look exactly like the Space Needle and call it something else?

[Jamie]

There's very. There's. There's variation.

[James]

What is the one called in Vegas? Can you look that up? That's. That's the Stratosphere, I think. I don't know, James. I. The way that you feel about.

[Jamie]

Yeah.

[James]

The way that you feel about funerals.

[Jamie]

You feel about space needles.

[James]

I'm kind of getting that vibe on space needles.

[Jamie]

What's the scam on it, though?

[James]

Just. I don't know if there's a scam. There's something they're not telling us. It feels like a lot of unused material.

[Jamie]

What do you think? It's like a call to the space.

[James]

I mean, it's in the name. It's like an energy pylon. It's an energy pile on. Rob, you're onto something here. Yeah, I really think so. Yeah. I'm telling you, I don't know. That's. That's. Stack of the art documentary. Space Needles and Funerals.

[Jamie]

I love it.

[James]

Yeah. Space Needles and more miniseries. Yeah. You could be underground at the morgue. And I'll be up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

Yep.

[James]

I like this. I think that's what we're doing with.

[Jamie]

A shovel and some dirt. You with a astronaut helmet on.

[James]

Yeah, that's. That's the. Yeah, that's the poster. We can get an AI poster. We'll have that for next week. The COVID right now. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie]

That's two seconds.

[James]

Listen, Jamie has a flight to catch.

[Jamie]

Thank you.

[James]

We. I love you, yam.

[Jamie]

Love you.

[James]

This has been fantastic, as always. We will see you guys next week.

[Jamie]

Bye.

[James]

Not today. Hey, not today, pal. Whoa, whoa. Not today.

[Jamie]

Kapoom. One time.