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Indira Lakshmanan
Hello there.
Tim Bidermes
It's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Tim Bidermeus. Today, two memoirs that deal with letting go of something from the past. In a minute, we'll hear about Lindy West's adult braces. But first, in the early 2000s, David Archuleta was thrust into stardom on American Idol. Each week he appeared in the living rooms of millions of people, and he'd eventually go on to come in second in the competition and enjoy a pretty successful music career. But as Archuleta lived out his dream, he was dealing with a secret. His inner turmoil is the topic of his memoir, Devout Losing My Faith to Find Myself. He spoke about it with Here and Nows in Dear Lakshmanan.
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Indira Lakshmanan
to 2008, when American Idol was starting its seventh season. The reality singing contest was the biggest show on television, spawning massive pop stars like Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, and Jennifer Hudson. Each season starts with auditions when contestants sing before judges Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul, and Randy Jackson, who determine who will go on to the next round. One of the contestants that year was a teenager from Murray, Utah, named David Archuleta.
Tim Bidermes
All right, so let's do it.
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What you gonna sing, man?
David Archuleta
I'm gonna sing Waiting on the World
to Change by John Mayer.
Tim Bidermes
Go for it.
David Archuleta
Me and my friends were all misunderstood they say we stand for nothing and there's no way we ever could he
Indira Lakshmanan
stumbles over the words a bit. And then something extraordinary happens. Randy Jackson starts singing along.
David Archuleta
Just feel like we don't have the means to rise above and be we keep waiting waiting waiting on the world to change we keep on waiting waiting waiting on the world to change it's hard to be persistent when we're standing at a distance we keep waiting, waiting, waiting on the world to change thank you.
Indira Lakshmanan
Archuleta got the green light from all three judges and he made it all the way to finals finishing in second place. He was adored by fans, but underneath it all, the young teen was struggling with his identity and his connection to the Mormon church. Archuleta is 35 years old now, and he's out with a new memoir called Losing My Faith to Find Myself, and he joins us now. David, welcome to Here and Now.
David Archuleta
Thank you, Indira. Good to be here.
Indira Lakshmanan
So you were just a kid when you rose to fame on American Idol almost 20 years ago. What is it like to hear yourself again as a young teenager? What feelings and memories does that bring up?
David Archuleta
It brings a lot of nostalgia and it's a bit surreal. I feel like I get to live the moment a little more now than I did back then, though. It's interesting, but it's fun to hear Randy singing along to my audition.
Indira Lakshmanan
Well, you ended up finishing in second place that season, and during the finale, you performed the hit song Apologize with the band One Republic. Let's listen. You look and sound so poised and polished in that performance. But we learn now from your memoir that you were struggling inside. You were raised in the Mormon church which forbids same sex relationships, but you write in your memoir that the first time you had feelings for a boy was as early as the second grade. So how are you dealing behind the scenes with those feelings while at the same time being catapulted into the national, even global spotlight at such a young age?
David Archuleta
I had a hard time because I was a very shy kid and I was homeschooled a lot of my life. And how I had adjusted and adapted to survive up until then was to just blend in and hide and not say anything. So I was known as. I was known as the smiley kid who never talked in school. And then to suddenly be thrown in front of everybody. I was like, wait, I'm used to hiding it and blending in and making sure no one sees me to then being. I couldn't hide anymore. But I think I did my best to just let my voice do the work and try to not be seen after that. But it was kind of hard to do that because then everyone was like, you're a teenage pop star. And all the Girls love you. And I was just like, oh, my go. But it was exciting and terrifying and thrilling all at once, and a lot
Indira Lakshmanan
of pressure on you. You know, you were still a teen. You didn't come out publicly as gay until many, many years later in 2021. By that time, you had already gained, perhaps coincidentally, a huge LGBTQ following over your eight studio albums. And all along you were going to the church. Five people in your own congregation wrote to you and shared that they were quee. What did it mean to you to find out that there were other Mormons like you?
David Archuleta
Yeah, well, I came out, like, on the spectrum of bisexual, but mostly attracted to men. And when I did come out publicly, I was surprised at how many people in my own congregation were going through the same thing that I was. And it wasn't just people my age. It was people who are older. It was people who are younger than me. And that I just never would have thought were going through what I had gone through. And they would just say, thank you. They're like, it is so hard to try and live this way without being able to really share who I really am. So I was just. I was pretty surprised by that.
Indira Lakshmanan
Of course, that public face of you coming out and saying you are bisexual, but leaning on the spectrum towards men. You know, that elides a huge period of time during which you were struggling within the church. You tried to talk to church elders about your sexuality and the church's views on same sex relationships. Tell us how those conversations went.
David Archuleta
Yeah, I became really close with the church leaders after American Idol because they looked at me as like a hero and a poster boy in a way. And when I shared with them finally that, hey, I think I might be gay, or I might be, I am attracted to men, they got really uncomfortable. And one in specific who was like, my grandpa. I sang at his wife's funeral and was invited to family dinners. He got really uncomfortable until I kind of just said, I don't need you to fix my problem. I just want you to listen to my experience. And he softened up so much. And he eventually said, you know, I never spoken to someone who is gay this in depth before. And so I. From my understanding, as soon as he spoke to the other brethren, the other world leaders, they just said, don't talk to him anymore. What he's saying is wrong. And I was told that I. That. That elder, I mean, basically needed to be protected from me, which I was like, after all I've been through with him, like, I was just shocked by that. And really disappointed.
Indira Lakshmanan
You decided to leave the Mormon Church, and you told your mother. What was the quote your mother said back to you?
David Archuleta
She said, I've decided to step away from the church. And I said, mom, you don't have to do that, because I already knew how hard it is to step away from your. What was your everything? And she said, I don't want to be somewhere where my children don't feel loved anym welcomed. And if you're going to hell, then we're all going to hell with you.
Indira Lakshmanan
Now, that's an incredible and loving sentiment to want to keep the family together. And your. Most of your siblings left the church, too, and that inspired your 2024 song Hell Together. Let's listen to some of that now.
David Archuleta
You said, if I have to live without you, I don't want to live forever and someone else is heaven so let them close the gates. Oh, if they don't like the way you made them there, not any better. The paradise is pressure together.
Indira Lakshmanan
You know, it is so much more meaningful to me to hear that song now, knowing the story behind it. When I first heard it, it's just another pop song. But now knowing that you're singing to your mom and about your mom saying, we're going to hell together, it's just. It really has a very deep meaning. And I wonder, how did it feel for you to finally show all of yourself in your songwriting?
David Archuleta
It. It's like, such a release because you've held something for so many decades, all your life thinking that there's something wrong with you, and to finally have this, like, awakening that there actually isn't something wrong with you and you can learn how to accept yourself. It's taken me time, and it's still taking me time to accept when I always believed I was supposed to reject and despise myself. And I was really good at doing that. I was good at it. It's liberating and it's freeing, and it's. It's like living. Having a second chance at living again.
Indira Lakshmanan
It's striking to me that you've described this journey as losing your faith to find yourself. And I'm thinking about how you thought about writing a memoir right after you came out publicly, but it took you five years to do this memoir. How did writing the book help you in the process of fully accepting yourself? And what do you want people who read the book to take away from it?
David Archuleta
I just hope that anyone, whether it's coming out as queer or transitioning out of religion or out of a family dynamic that could be harmful, that they are encouraged to take the courage to be their authentic selves and to free them from any people pleasing trying to let external factors decide for them what they feel is where they should go in their life. And I was a people pleaser. A lot of my problems and challenges in my book were from giving my agency and freedom away to other people to decide for me. And I had to learn how to rather than be devout to other external factors to be devout with to what was within in my soul. And that's when I found the most growth and the most freedom and the most confidence in myself. And I would. That's what I hope other people can take away and if nothing else, just to find some understanding for others around them. That's my really greatest plea too.
Indira Lakshmanan
David Archuleta is a singer songwriter who first graced our screens as a contestant on American Idol and he's since released nine studio albums. His latest is called Earthly Delights and he's out with his new memoir, Losing My Faith to Find Myself. David Archuleta, thank you so much.
David Archuleta
Thank you Indira.
Indira Lakshmanan
And to take us back, let's go out on your hit single Crush, which many people will remember hearing on the radio back in the summer of 2008.
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Tim Bidermes
Braces by Lindy West. You may recognize that name from her wildly popular book Shrill, which was also adapted into a hit TV show. It was a collection of essays about feminism and body image. Now west is turning her celebrated wittiness and humor towards something more personal. The realization that her husband had entered into a relationship with another woman. So she takes a road trip, as one does, to reflect and reassess her life. She tells Morning Edition host Leila Fadel what she learned along the way.
Leila Fadel
You might know our next guest from her hit Hulu series, Shrill, based on her collection of essays by the same name, which chronicled the life of a young journalist struggling with self image, dating, and her career.
David Archuleta
Let's see, I got my lotion and my gu and my shoelaces for my brown shoes. And could I also get the morning after pill? Hey, Nick, do we sell the morning after pill?
Lindy West
Oh, oh, that's okay. We don't need to bother. Nick.
Leila Fadel
Lindy West's latest book, Adult Braces. Driving Myself Sane is a shift. She's in her 40s, she's in the throes of a deep depression, her marriage is on the rocks, and her sense of self is, well, hanging on by a thread. So she decides something has to change and she takes a solo cross country road trip that becomes the foundation for this endearing and hilarious memoir.
Lindy West
I just think that if a woman has a midlife crisis, it inconveniences too many people. And so it's not sexy and it's not interesting. It's just kind of threatening to the social order or something. So I went to my husband and I said, I think I need to rent a van and go on a road trip and drive to Florida and go to Kokomo and lie down. Is that okay? To my surprise, my husband said, go, go, go. You gotta go. Go do it. And so I did, and I drove all the way to Florida in a van.
Leila Fadel
By yourself?
David Archuleta
By myself.
Leila Fadel
What was going on in your life where you were like, I need to do this thing for myself?
Lindy West
So the backstory is we finished shooting the second season of Shrill, and then just a couple days after I got home, I found out that my husband had a girlfriend or had been dating someone else. And we were technically not strictly monogamous. We had sort of a don't ask, don't tell policy. But basically this sort of non monogamy polyamory conversation that my husband had been trying to have with me for a decade, it came home to roost. And you had to face it. Yeah, I had to finally face was something that we both wanted to fight for and try to figure out. And people find this hard to understand and they think that I must be rationalizing or trying to convince myself to do Something that I don't actually want to do. When I finally sort of acquiesce to polyamory, or I don't want to say acquiesce, because that sounds.
Leila Fadel
And that's not how it comes off in the book, is like. Because in the beginning, you have this extreme resistance.
Lindy West
Yeah, definitely. But once we actually started to try it out, and I let go a little bit of this hyper control, which is what I thought was gonna make me happy. When you let go of control like that and you just trust that this person does love you, it was the remedy to this sickness that I had been dealing with for my whole life. And in fact, we loved each other so much better because we didn't have the resentment anymore, and we didn't have the constant fear and anxiety and jealousy and. And self doubt. So it. I know this is not a prescription that I'm saying other people should know.
Leila Fadel
You're not telling everyone to be polyamorous.
Lindy West
I'm really not. I'm really not. And people kind of act like I am, and I'm not.
Leila Fadel
What did you do that allowed you to get to a place that made you happier than you were before?
Lindy West
It wasn't a process of letting go so much as turning towards something else, which was my own life, and remembering that my life is something that's worth prioritizing. And in fact, prioritizing my own life is the key to saving this relationship,
Leila Fadel
coming back from that. What is life like these days? Because it does feel like you're, like, on the other side.
Lindy West
So now, five years later, actually, my husband and I have a third partner. We are the unfortunately named throuple, which I. You don't like that name? It's not an elegant term.
Indira Lakshmanan
I wish there was something else.
Lindy West
It's not what I would have picked. But you know what? You gotta just embrace it. We live, all three of us together in a log cabin in the woods in Washington, and we have a nice little life. And people can say, oh, my gosh, you're being, you know, mistreated by this evil, horny man or whatever. But that's not what my life looks like. I have a really beautiful, peaceful life that is full of love.
Leila Fadel
You're no stranger to telling personal stories, being vulnerable, but I think there's, like, a particular vulnerability about this memoir.
Lindy West
Definitely.
Leila Fadel
I just wonder what you're thinking as it goes out into the world and people are gonna be reading this journey that you took to get to this place that makes you happy and that you want the world to understand I
Lindy West
came to the realization that I do really wanna be known. I think that the process of going through all this with my marriage made me realize that a lot of things that I had written about myself in previous books were, in fact coming from this place of denial. And so once I started to realize that, I thought, you know, I want to write something that is actually true. You know, I'm really candid and shrill, and that was true at the time. And I'm sure things in this book, Adult Braces, will prove to be, you know, off the mark, down the line. But I got addicted to that feeling of kind of pushing myself and seeing what it felt like to let go and be brave. And so I, I just wanted to try it, and I wanted to write something real that would let people know me in a way that was even truer than before.
Leila Fadel
Lindy West's new memoir is Adult Driving Myself Sane. Thank you for speaking with us.
Lindy West
Thank you so much.
Leila Fadel
And we should mention, you did get adult braces.
Lindy West
I sure did.
Leila Fadel
I didn't even talk about that part.
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Lindy West
Yes, I sure did.
Indira Lakshmanan
Don't worry about me.
David Archuleta
I'm doing good.
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Date: March 27, 2026
Host: Tim Bidermes
This episode spotlights two powerful new memoirs: David Archuleta’s Losing My Faith to Find Myself and Lindy West’s Adult Braces: Driving Myself Sane. Both authors share deeply personal stories of breaking from their pasts and reshaping their identities—Archuleta through his journey away from the Mormon church and coming out, and West via a cross-country road trip as she faces the trials of midlife, marriage, and polyamory. With trademark candor, humor, and a willingness to be vulnerable, both authors invite listeners to consider what it means to truly live as oneself.
Interview with Indira Lakshmanan
Timestamps: [01:53] – [12:18]
American Idol Stardom & Hidden Struggles
Coming Out and Support Within the Mormon Community
Church Leaders’ Reception and Heartbreak
“I don’t need you to fix my problem. I just want you to listen to my experience.”
— David Archuleta ([07:26])
Leaving the Church & Family Support
“I don't want to be somewhere where my children don’t feel loved…and if you’re going to hell, then we’re all going to hell with you.”
— David Archuleta’s mother ([08:38])
Self-Acceptance Through Art
Memoir’s Message
“Rather than be devout to other external factors, to be devout to what was within, in my soul. That’s when I found the most growth and the most freedom and the most confidence in myself.”
— David Archuleta ([11:34])
Nostalgia & Surrealness:
“It brings a lot of nostalgia and it's a bit surreal. ... it's fun to hear Randy singing along to my audition.”
— David Archuleta ([03:47])
Art as Therapy:
"It’s liberating and it’s freeing... It’s like having a second chance at living again."
— David Archuleta ([09:57])
Interview with Leila Fadel
Timestamps: [14:16] – [20:48]
The Premise: Midlife Crisis and Transformation
Polyamory, Marriage, and Emotional Growth
Embracing Unconventional Family and Happiness
“I have a really beautiful, peaceful life that is full of love.”
— Lindy West ([18:36])
Vulnerability and Truth-Telling in Memoir
“I wanted to write something real that would let people know me in a way that was even truer than before.”
— Lindy West ([20:21])
On the Title: “Adult Braces”
On Polyamory:
“I know this is not a prescription that I’m saying other people should [follow].... I’m really not [telling everyone to be polyamorous].”
— Lindy West ([17:38])
On Self-Prioritization:
“My life is something that’s worth prioritizing. ... Prioritizing my own life is the key to saving this relationship.”
— Lindy West ([17:54])
On Public Vulnerability:
“I got addicted to that feeling of kind of pushing myself and seeing what it felt like to let go and be brave.”
— Lindy West ([20:02])
| Time | Speaker | Quote/Context | |-----------|------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | [06:25] | David Archuleta | “It is so hard to try and live this way without being able to really share who I am.”| | [08:38] | Mother of Archuleta | “If you’re going to hell, then we’re all going to hell with you.” | | [09:57] | David Archuleta | “It’s liberating and it’s freeing... It’s like having a second chance at living.” | | [15:09] | Lindy West | “If a woman has a midlife crisis, it inconveniences too many people. ... It’s just kind of threatening to the social order.” | | [18:36] | Lindy West | “I have a really beautiful, peaceful life that is full of love.” | | [20:21] | Lindy West | “I wanted to write something real that would let people know me in a way that was even truer than before.” |
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