In 'Welcome to Pawnee,' Jim O'Heir reflects on his time on 'Parks and Recreation'

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NPR's Book of the Day, hosted by Andrew Limbong, features an insightful interview with Jim O'Heir, author of Welcome to Pawnee: Stories of Friendship, Waffles, and Parks and Recreation. Released on January 16, 2025, this episode delves into O'Heir's experiences on the beloved NBC sitcom Parks and Recreation, offering fans a deeper understanding of both the show and his personal journey within it.

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1. Introduction to Jim O'Heir and Parks and Recreation

Jim O'Heir, best known for his role as Jerry Gurgich on Parks and Recreation, shares how the show transformed his acting career. Initially landing a minor role, O'Heir evolved into a series regular, becoming the Parks Department's endearing yet often bumbling member. His new book provides a blend of memoir, anecdotes from fellow cast members, and insights from the show's creator, Greg Daniels, and showrunner, Mike Schur.

Andrew Limbong (00:02): “Ohr's new book about his time working on the show is called Welcome to Pawnee, and in this interview he talks to NPR's Juana Summers about how it took until season two for him and the writers of the show to really gel and figure out who this Jerry guy was and how he fit in with the rest of the cast.”

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2. Memorable Scenes and On-Set Dynamics

One of the standout moments O'Heir discusses is a particularly hilarious scene that highlights the camaraderie among the cast. The scene, set in the conference room—a favorite spot for the actors to bond—features Jerry experiencing a series of comical mishaps, leading to uncontrollable laughter from the entire cast.

Juana Summers (02:19): “It was a Jerry centric episode... Amy Poehler literally, at one point said to me, 'I'm done. I can't even laugh anymore. I'm exhausted. I can't do this anymore.' So it was just all of us laughing and joking together.”

This anecdote underscores the joyful and collaborative environment on set, which was pivotal in shaping the show's unique energy.

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3. Developing the Character of Jerry Gurgich

O'Heir reflects on the character development process for Jerry, emphasizing the collaborative efforts between him and the writers to define Jerry's persona. Initially, Jerry lacked a distinct comedic edge, but over time, both O'Heir and the writing team honed the character into the lovable, albeit clumsy, figure audiences adore.

O'Heir (03:58): “In season two, during one of the episodes, we're all finding dirt on each other... Jerry realizes he's 'just not fully with it, with everything going on around him. And that was the moment I think I was solidified. Like, I'm gonna stick around.” (03:58)

This pivotal moment in season two marked the crystallization of Jerry's character, making him an integral part of the ensemble.

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4. Navigating Near-Cancellations and the Final Season

Throughout its run, Parks and Recreation faced numerous challenges, including low ratings that often left the cast and crew anxious about potential cancellations. O'Heir recounts the constant state of uncertainty and the strategies employed to keep morale high, such as the "Parks Family Text" chain, where cast members kept each other informed and supported.

Juana Summers (05:08): “Our ratings were not good, so that was terrifying... Mike Schur, his attitude was always, 'You guys, we can only do the best show we can do...'”

The announcement of the show's conclusion after seven seasons was a bittersweet moment. While there was immense sadness, O'Heir praises the creative decision to end the series gracefully, allowing it to culminate in a satisfying finale.

Juana Summers (05:08): “The way they finished those 13 episodes are brilliant... It was the right time.”

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5. Reflections on the Series Finale and Its Legacy

Revisiting the series finale in 2025, O'Heir expresses how it resonates differently in the current context. The appearance of real-life figures like President Biden and First Lady Jill Biden added a poignant layer, bridging the fictional world of Pawnee with contemporary realities.

Juana Summers (06:55): “'When we worked here together, we fought, scratched, and clawed to make people's lives a tiny bit better. That's what public service is all about. Small, incremental change every day.'” (06:55)

O'Heir commends the finale for encapsulating the show's essence of hope and perseverance, leaving a lasting emotional impact on viewers.

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6. Ongoing Camaraderie Among Cast Members

Post-show, the cast maintains strong bonds, often interacting through their "Parks Family Text." These interactions are filled with personal milestones, congratulations on awards, and lighthearted reminiscing about past events. O'Heir shares heartwarming updates, such as Chris Pratt celebrating his child and Retta sharing nostalgic memories.

Juana Summers (08:21): “It's just personal. It's people who to this day, are good friends, and we love each other, so they're just the greatest.”

This enduring friendship highlights the positive and supportive relationships forged during the show's production.

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7. Embracing the Jerry Gurgich Legacy

Despite being best known as Jerry, O'Heir embraces this association with pride. He views his portrayal as a badge of honor, recognizing the character's significant contribution to the show's charm and success.

Juana Summers (08:21): “I will always be known as Jerry. And people are like, does that bother you? And I'm like, oh, hell no. I will take that with a badge of honor.”

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Conclusion

Jim O'Heir's Welcome to Pawnee offers an intimate glimpse into the world of Parks and Recreation, celebrating the friendships, challenges, and triumphs that defined the series. Through engaging anecdotes and heartfelt reflections, O'Heir pays homage to the show's enduring legacy and the bonds that continue to thrive long after the final episode.

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Transcript

[Andrew Limbong]

Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong as Jerry Gurkich. Jim O'Heir wasn't the star of the NBC TV show Parks and Recreation, but I don't know if the show would have had the same energy without him. Oher's new book about his time working on the show is called welcome to Pawnee, and in this interview he talks to NPR's Juana Summers about how it took until season two for him and the writers of the show to really gel and figure out who this Jerry guy was and how he fit in in with the rest of the cast. That's coming up.

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[Jim O'Hare]

The show Parks and Recreation transformed Jim O'Hare's career. He'd been working as an actor for some time when he landed a small part on the NBC sitcom, which wrapped in 2015. He ultimately became a series regular as Jerry Gurgich, who fans will remember as the Parks and Rec department's favorite punching bag. And now he is out with a new book all about the series and the people on and off camera who made it happen. The book is called welcome to Pawnee Stories of Friendship, Waffles and Parks and Recreation. The book is part memoir, but it also weaves in stories from O'Hare's castmates as well as the voices of creator Greg Daniels and showrunner Mike Schur. When O'Hare and I started talking, I had to ask him about one unforgettable scene.

[Juana Summers]

Anyway, hunting and fishing season is winding down, okay, and we all know that it's already closed season on 12th. So now I said trout instead of trout. Everything goes wrong. I trip getting to the computer. I don't even plug the computer in accidentally. And then I'm looking for my glasses. You know what? Has anybody seen my glasses? I don't even. I bend over, my pants split. And then, as you could hear, a little bit of nature's gas comes flying out. So the reason I love that scene, for many reasons. Number one, it was a Jerry centric episode. Every actor loves when an episode involves them. But also, my favorite scenes always were in the conference room because we were all. It meant we were all together. And it also meant there was gonna be a lot of time to just chat and tell stories, you know, because between setups, there's a lot of downtime on a set. And we just enjoyed each other. And in this case, it was even more so because it was such a ridiculous thing that was happening in front of everybody. We couldn't keep it together. Leslie. My gosh. Amy Poehler literally, at one point said to me, I'm done. I can't even laugh anymore. I'm exhausted. I can't do this anymore. So it was just all of us laughing and joking together.

[Jim O'Hare]

You've also talked about the process of finding the character and rhythm of Jerry since in those earlier seasons, there wasn't initially as much on the page. And you spent so much time trying to figure out how to be funny and make the cast and crew laugh. And then the way the character formed was that people were just laughing at him, regardless of sort of a human punchline. I am curious, was there a moment where you remember that it just came together, where the character just sort of clicked for you?

[Juana Summers]

I can tell you it was a combination of me finding it and the writers finding it, because it was in season two, during one of the episodes, we're all finding dirt on each other. And Jerry's not happy with that. Cause, you know, Jerry's a very sweet man. But finally he goes along and he says to one of the character, Mark Brandanowitz, he goes, a little birdie told me that you have one unpaid parking ticket. And Mark looks at him and says, that's funny, because a little birdie told me that your adoptive mother was arrested for marijuana possession. And so there's this moment where they cut to Jerry and there's a pause, and Mark said, you didn't know that, huh? And Jerry goes, I didn't know I was adopted. And they realized that's who Jerry is going to be. He's gonna be this guy who's just not fully with it, with everything going on around him. And that was the moment I think I was solidified. Like, I'm gonna stick around.

[Jim O'Hare]

In the book, you write about a number of close calls of the show coming close to being canceled or your character perhaps not being a part. And I'm curious how your reaction to those compared to the moment when Mike Schur broke the news that the seventh season was gonna be it.

[Juana Summers]

They're totally different because every season, every season, we were panicked that we were being canceled, and there was valid reasons to be panicked. Our ratings were not good, so that was terrifying. And we got through it. And we would be texting because we have this chain called the Parks Family Text. And we are constantly like, what's going on? What have you heard? And no one had heard anything. And Mike Shore, his attitude was always, you guys, we can only do the best show we can do. Everything out there we have no control over. Let's just do the very best show we can do. And the cards will fall. How they fall. Well, then we get the call that we're wrapping it up. And NBC had given Mike and Amy their choice. How do you want to do it? We can keep going. What do you want to do? And something else. Amy had always said he. She never wanted it to be a show that people were like, oh, is that thing still on? You know, leave them wanting more. And so I think the way they wrote us out, the way they finished those 13 episodes are brilliant. And I'm so proud of how we went out. That doesn't mean I didn't spend two weeks sobbing like an idiot when we were shooting the last two episodes, because, believe me, I was a mess. But it. It was. It was the right time.

[Jim O'Hare]

You know, one of the coolest things about interviewing actors who have been on shows that you love is it means that part of your job becomes getting to watch back a lot of those shows. And I spent some time the other night, and I rewatched the series finale. And first of all, I just want to say I had completely forgotten that President Biden and first Lady Jill Biden make an appearance. And Fast forward to 2025, which hits differently this year.

[Juana Summers]

It does hit different. Yes, it does.

[Jim O'Hare]

I also really just found myself really moved, seeing all of your character storylines advance into what's now our present day. And I just want to listen to a snippet of the toast that Leslie gives at the end of the episode.

[Juana Summers]

When we worked here together, we fought, scratched, and clawed to make people's lives a tiny bit better. That's what public service is all about. Small, incremental change every day.

[Jim O'Hare]

I mean, Jim, it kind of hit me right in the feels. How do you think about the way that Parks went out?

[Juana Summers]

It was perfect. I think it was absolutely perfect. It does hit different now, and people will ask me, could Parks be a show now? Could it work now? I hope it could. It's a tough question. I would like to think it could, because Parks was about hope. It was about people working together to make change, and things didn't always go our way. And. And when they didn't, Leslie Knope was like, okay, let's dust ourselves off and move on to the next thing. So I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to think it could work, because I'd like to think, overall, people are good with Parks. They're pretty good people. I mean, everyone has their flaws, and everyone has their bad moment, but they're good people. And I think we need. I think we need more of that. So I don't know. I'd like to think it could still do it, but I don't. I don't know. I'm in a very weird headspace these days.

[Jim O'Hare]

I think that for any of us who are fans of the show, a lot of us have imagined and heard about that Parks family text that you have talked about. What does a Parks family reunion look like these days? What's happening on the text thread?

[Juana Summers]

The other day, our boy Chris Pratt, had baby Ford, maybe Ford Fitzgerald, £10. He sent us the cutest picture you've ever seen. It's that type of stuff. It's not show busy at all. Nick won the Emmy last year, so, of course, congrats and all that kind of stuff. But it's generally like Retta is the queen of history, and Retta will just post some random thing that happened. She goes, this was 10 years ago today. And then we all just go on a rant about whatever that was about. It's just personal. It's people who to this day, are good friends, and we love each other, so they're just the greatest. And I sometimes think I sound very Pollyanna and very like, oh, it's all. Everything was wonderful. But it kind of was. It kind of really was. And I will be forever grateful. And I know I will always be known as Jerry. And people are like, does that bother you? And I'm like, oh, hell no. I will take that with a badge of honor.

[Jim O'Hare]

We have been Talking with Jim O'Hare. His book is welcome to Pawnee Stories of Friendship, Waffles, and Parks and Recreation. Jim, thank you so much.

[Juana Summers]

Thank you so much.

[Jim O'Hare]

I wasn't in the pit. You weren't in the pit.

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