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Episode: John Grisham brings a money-hungry lawyer to center stage in 'The Widow'

Host: Sacha Pfeiffer (with intro/outro by Andrew Limbong)
Guest: John Grisham
Date: November 13, 2025

Overview:

In this episode, NPR’s Sacha Pfeiffer chats with bestselling author John Grisham about his latest novel, The Widow. Grisham discusses his enduring fascination with the legal world, why “bad” lawyers make for juicier stories, the realities of small-town practice, and his disciplined writing process—all while poking gentle fun at lawyers’ quirks and the American love of litigation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Plot and Nature of ‘The Widow’

• The Widow centers around a small-town lawyer stuck in a rut—routine cases, modest fees—who gets drawn into the orbit of a wealthy, lonely elderly client.

  • John Grisham: “It's a very routine legal matter. He's going to get paid $250 for a simple will.... He's never done a will for a wealthy client. And suddenly he realizes this client is really, really wealthy... And so it starts creating some ideas in his mind... It's called greed.” (01:48)

• The lawyer faces mounting temptation, with Grisham noting that greed quickly takes over, leading the protagonist down a path of moral compromise and, ultimately, a murder charge.

  • John Grisham: “The greed takes over and he starts doing things that he probably shouldn't do...” (01:48)

2. The Fun (and Drama) of Writing ‘Bad Lawyers’

• Pfeiffer comments on the “physical effect” of temptation on the protagonist (the “flutter in his intestines”), which Grisham laughs off as a familiar, human moment.

  • John Grisham: “It's the old fashioned butterflies. It's the excitement before a big contest...” (02:55)

• Grisham reflects on why readers relish stories of lawyers behaving badly:

  • John Grisham: “Most lawyers are honest, hard working people... Nobody wants to read about those lawyers. You want to read about the lawyer who... steals the money, fakes his own death, or the law firm that explodes and the corruption. That's, that's drama. That's good stuff to read about. And we all sort of rejoice when a lawyer gets in trouble.... It's kind of our national culture...” (03:30)

3. The Real Impact of Lawyers

• Despite lampooning the profession, Grisham reiterates that lawyers do immense good in society:
  • John Grisham: “Oh, definitely more good. When we face problems, legal problems, we want a good lawyer. We trust lawyers.... Lawyers do so much good in society. Thousands and thousands of great nonprofits... have lawyers. Your public interest lawyers are the happiest lawyers I've met.” (04:25)

4. Grisham’s Rigorous Writing Routine

• Grisham shares his much-asked-about process—a daily, distraction-free routine:
  • No internet, no email, no phones while actively drafting
  • Breaks every hour to jot down questions and briefly research online
  • Writes about 1,000 words a day, typically in the morning
  • Moves to a separate office for business and further research after noon
  • John Grisham: “When I'm actually writing, I'm in a room, an office, with no Internet and no contact... But every, probably every hour, I take a break and... run to the Internet and do a quick search. So I'm constantly searching the Internet for information.... Only when I'm sitting down actually writing sentence after sentence am I offline.” (05:34)

5. Fascination with the Legal System

• Grisham and Pfeiffer acknowledge that the legal system makes for endless drama, partly because of Americans’ litigious streak:
  • John Grisham: “We have a fascination for lawyers and laws. And as Americans, we have all these rights that we have, or we think we have.... We have an insatiable appetite for stories about lawyers and law firms... The most litigious people on the face of the earth.” (07:06)

6. A Classic Lawyer’s Excuse—Grisham’s ‘Trick of the Trade’

• Grisham admits to deploying a comic fib to end meetings early when he practiced law:
  • John Grisham: “I'm sorry, the federal judge's calling. That works every time.” (08:20)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On why readers crave dramatic legal fiction:
  “Nobody wants to read about those lawyers. You want to read about the lawyer who, you know, steals the money, fakes his own death, or the law firm that explodes and the corruption. That's, that's drama. That's good stuff to read about.”
  — John Grisham (03:30)

• On the writing routine:
  “When I'm actually writing, I'm in a room, an office, with no Internet and no contact... That's for concentration. That's for no interruptions. That's to get the words written.”
  — John Grisham (05:34)

• On lawyers doing good:
  “Lawyers do so much good in society.... Your public interest lawyers are the happiest lawyers I've met.”
  — John Grisham (04:25)

• Comic aside on winding up client meetings:
  “I used it all the time for 10 years. It was one of my, one of my ways to get off a phone call or get out of a meeting. 'I'm sorry, the federal judge's calling.' That works every time.”
  — John Grisham (08:20)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:11] Introduction to Grisham and context for The Widow
• [01:48] Grisham explains the book’s premise and main character
• [02:55] Discussion of character’s motivation and humor in the writing
• [03:30] Why stories about “bad” lawyers are popular
• [04:25] The good that lawyers do, and the value of the profession
• [05:34] Grisham’s disciplined, internet-free writing workflow
• [07:06] The enduring allure of the legal system in fiction and culture
• [08:20] Lawyerly ‘tricks of the trade’: polite exits from meetings

Tone & Style

The conversation is witty, candid, and warm, peppered with Grisham’s wry humor and affection for the quirks of his old profession. Sacha Pfeiffer’s questions elicit practical advice and personal asides, making the episode engaging for book lovers and aspiring writers alike.

For Listeners

If legal intrigue, small-town drama, and ethical gray areas are your favorite fictional territory, The Widow fits the bill. And for aspiring writers or Grisham fans, his “lock-the-Internet-away” method may be a future productivity hack.

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