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Andrew Limbong
Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. All this week we've been revisiting conversations about books that were finalists for the National Book Award. But of course, when it comes to literary prizes, they're not the only game in town. Today we bring you two conversations with authors who are now Pulitzer Prize winners. In a bit, we'll hear from Nathan Thrall about his book A Day in the Life of Abed Salama, about the ripple effects of a fatal accident outside of Jerusalem. But first, Jonathan Eig won the Pulitzer for a biography for his book A Life. It's a look at Martin Luther King Jr. A subject you'd think it'd be impossible to get a new and interesting take on. But I spoke with npr, Steve Inskeep when this book first came out and talked about King's complicated relationship with his own father, something I'd never heard about before. That's ahead.
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Jonathan Eig
The life of Martin Luther King, one of the most famous in American history. But in that life, one thing is easy to overlook, how young he was. King became a nationally known civil rights leader in his mid-20s when he gave the famous I have a Dream speech in Washington in 1963. He was in his early 30s, though his voice suggested the gravity of long experience.
Martin Luther King Jr.
I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history.
Jonathan Eig
We know that cadence, the drawn out words precisely pronounced, the pauses between each phrase. The biographer Jonathan Eige found a recording of a voice with a similar cadence, one that King grew up hearing. It's an oral history of his father, Martin Luther King Sr.
Martin Luther King Jr.
I was born in the midst of segregation at its height, and I was able to see many injustices leveled upon my people.
Jonathan Eig
Jonathan Ig spends a lot of time on Martin Luther King Jr. S youth. In his biography, A Life, we learn that King's father grew up with a different name, Michael King, and adopted the name that his son later made famous. It was part of the father's self invention. After growing up as a sharecropper's son.
Martin Luther King Jr.
He'S working on a farm. His father and mother are Stuck in poverty, unable to escape the white landowner in Stockbridge, Georgia. And Martin Luther King Sr. At age 12, walks barefoot out of Stockbridge toward Atlanta to make himself a new life and begins teaching himself to read and write, setting the groundwork to become a preacher, to become an activist, and to raise one of the greatest activists in American history.
Jonathan Eig
What did it mean that Martin Luther King, Jr. Unlike his father, was able to grow up in relative prosperity in a prosperous part of black Atlanta?
Martin Luther King Jr.
One of Dr. King's friends told me that he thought Martin Luther King was really exceptional in that he did not seem to be bruised by racism in quite the same way that so many of his peers were. He had a little bit of a buffer growing up on Auburn Avenue in Atlanta, growing up in this preacher's family. You know, he had a bicycle, he had a pet, he had a dog. He lived in relative comfort. And because his family was so prominent, he was able to see a lot more opportunity than maybe some other people who were going to school with him had at that time.
Jonathan Eig
What were some aspects of the father's character that deeply affected the son?
Martin Luther King Jr.
Well, he was a very difficult man. He was very stubborn. He was violent at times. He used the belt to spank his children in public, sometimes out in the yard. And if one of the neighbors came by and yelled, he'd spank that kid, too. So he was a difficult man who set very high standards for all three kids. And he also really was overly protective. And when Martin Luther King, Jr. Became the leader of the Montgomery bus boycott and his home was bombed, Martin Luther King Sr. Was there the next day saying, you're coming home with me. I'm not letting you stay here in this kind of risk your life in this danger. And it was very difficult for Martin Luther King Jr. To stand up to his father. He struggled with that all his life.
Jonathan Eig
Is that something that affected his approach to people later on?
Martin Luther King Jr.
It really did. One of the interesting things about King is that he's a protest leader who really does not like conflict. He is always going out of his way to avoid conflict with people who are his elders, who seem to be his superiors in some ways, people like Roy Wilkins at the NAACP or a Philip Randolph. And then that plays out, too, when he becomes a negotiator with presidents, and he really doesn't like he has to push himself really out of his comfort zone to argue, to debate, to really challenge some of the leaders of this country.
Jonathan Eig
I'm amazed at the amount of education this young man sought at such a young age. Given that his father had had virtually none.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Right. He skipped grades and went to Morehouse, two, three years younger than most of his classmates, then went to seminary and went to get his doctorate at Boston University. Always the youngest in his class. And his father really was against it. His father thought, to be a preacher, you don't need all that education. Morehouse was enough, Daddy, King thought. But Martin always wanted to exceed his father. He wasn't comfortable with the way his father preached. He didn't like the emotionalism. He didn't like that country style preaching. And young Martin Luther King Jr. Wanted to show that he could go beyond. Just like most of us want to go beyond our, you know, our parents. We want to see, you know, how far we can go beyond what they've established for us. Right.
Jonathan Eig
How did King Jr emerge as the leader of the Montgomery bus boycott in 1955?
Martin Luther King Jr.
This is one of the miraculous moments in American history where the right person happens to be in the right place at the right time. And Martin Luther King Jr. Was not looking to become a leader. He was looking to get his church in shape and perhaps move on to a bigger church or to a job as a college professor. But when the Montgomery bus boycott began, they were looking for somebody who could serve as the spokesman. He wasn't even asked to become the president yet. He was just asked to be the spokesman because he hadn't been around long enough to make enemies. So people thought he might be able to unite the community. And they already knew that he was a terrific speaker. So King steps up to the podium at Holt Street Baptist Church on December 5, 1955, and gives this incredible speech. And it's the first time that most people in Montgomery have heard him. And suddenly he inspires them in a way that is just profound. They're ready to walk, they're ready to march. They're ready to do it as long as required.
Steve Inskeep
If we allow the Supreme Court of this nation is land.
Martin Luther King Jr.
If we have the Constitution of the United States, land.
Jonathan Eig
I'm just thinking of the pressure this person then faces faced in the years that followed. Seen as the representative, in some ways, of an entire race under FBI investigation, under threat, under violent threat, repeatedly arrested, finally assassinated. What, if anything, in his youth prepared him to withstand that pressure?
Martin Luther King Jr.
The Bible. I'd have to say it was his faith in God. And he said it over and over again that God called on him to do this, that called on all of us to live up to the words of, of the teachings in the Bible that we're here to serve God. We're here to try to make the world a better place, and it's not about ourselves. And that's not to say he didn't feel the pressure. He was hospitalized for depression numerous times, and he suffered. He knew that his own government was out to destroy him. They were tapping his phones. They were listening to his conversations in hotel rooms. He still did the work and he still doubled down. He never backed off of his convictions. He stuck to what he believed in and was willing to risk everything for it.
Jonathan Eig
Jonathan Eich is the author of the new biography A Life. Thanks so much.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Thank you.
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Nathan Thrall's a Day in the Life of Abed Salama won the Pulitzer for general nonfiction. It's about a Palestinian father looking for his son in the wake of a deadly bus accident, and the Pulitzer committee called it a quote, indelibly human portrait of the struggle over Israel, Palestine and a new understanding of the tragic history and reality of one of the most contested places on earth. When the book first came out, he spoke with NPR's Leila Fadel about how when we talk about this region, we usually speak in abstractions, something Thrall expressly wanted to avoid.
Nathan Thrall
Here's Layla In Nathan Thrall's new book, A Day in the Life of Abd the Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy, Thrall tells the story of a bus accident in which six Palestinian kindergartners and a teacher burn to death. One of the children is a five year old boy named Milad. His father, Abd Salama, is the main narrator of this story as he searches for his son. In the wake of the accident.
Steve Inskeep
There.
Abd Salama
Were people who said that a lot of children were taken to an Israeli army base close to the accident, but it didn't have a permit to enter there or even reach the area. Some people said he might be in health centers. A minute on this day was like waiting for hours. I felt like my son was close to me.
Nathan Thrall
He was close to you in the end.
Abd Salama
Yeah, yeah.
Nathan Thrall
His son was in a hospital morgue in Ramallah in the west bank, just feet away from where he sat. Nathan Thrall doesn't just trace Saddama's search for his son. He also profiles the many people, both Palestinian and Jewish, who come into contact with that accident.
N/A
The accident really embodied the entire Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Nathan Thrall
Through the story of these dead children, their parents, the emergency responders, and the civilians who jump into action, Thrall paints a brutally honest picture of life under Israeli authority for both Jewish citizens and Palestinians who live under occupation. Why did you choose this story on this one piece of land with all of these people who live in or around Jerusalem?
N/A
One is that I live right next to where these children and their parents and the teachers live, who live in my same city, but live an entirely different existence. Half have blue IDs. Residents of Jerusalem, which entitles them to travel across the checkpoint that separates them from the rest of the city and their relatives who live in the same community, who have green IDs.
Nathan Thrall
Green IDs are issued for Palestinians living in the occupied west bank and Gaza, and they bar access to Israel without explicit permission.
N/A
This entire enclave, when you go into it, you can't tell the difference between the part that Israel has officially annexed and the part that is officially unannexed and part of the West Bank. It's all a group of different people, all relatives living in this one community with very different rights as a result of the color of their ID cards. And that had enormous repercussions on this day when a tragedy occurred.
Nathan Thrall
Thorell spoke to everyone who came in contact with that accident and the way it impacted both Jewish people and Palestinians.
N/A
And there was no one who I spoke to more than Abed.
Nathan Thrall
And Abed, what made you decide to spend time and talk to Nathan, tell your story and be part of this book.
Abd Salama
So when he told me, maybe your story will make a difference about our Palestinian issue. So because of that, I decided to share him everything.
Nathan Thrall
What was it like to read this book?
Abd Salama
I like it because he writes from the bottom of his heart. And when I read the article, I read it in English. I'm not strong in English, but I understand every word because he's telling the truth.
Nathan Thrall
The accident happened over a decade ago, but Tharl says it is as relevant today as it was then. The kids were only on this field trip in bad weather because there was no playground accessible to all of them near where they lived.
N/A
The most important factor in determining whether these people had public schools, playgrounds paved roads, sidewalks are determined by the fact that they're Palestinian. And these kids had to take this circuitous route snaking through Jerusalem and the west bank to reach a play area. And the very route that it takes was determined with one overriding logic, how to keep as many Palestinians as possible out of the heart of Jerusalem while relinquishing as little land as possible by the Israeli state.
Nathan Thrall
The accident was near Israeli fire stations and visible from a military checkpoint.
N/A
Some of the bystanders said the soldiers appeared frightened and it was more than 30 minutes before the first Israeli fire truck came. It was 25 minutes before a single ambulance came. And he was helpless to do anything. And the point of this is not Israelis made a decision to let these children die. The point is that this entire infrastructure is set up to neglect hundreds of thousands of people who live on the other side of this wall.
Nathan Thrall
What do you want people to take from this book?
N/A
The main thing I want is for people to feel viscerally what it is to live in this place for both Jews and Palestinians. I feel that we have spent too much time speaking in abstractions. Two states, one state confederation. And I want us to move away from abstractions and to focus on the reality of these people's lives.
Nathan Thrall
Now we spoke before the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7 and before Israel's response in Gaza. So I called Thrall back and he told me the reception for his book had changed.
N/A
I've had events canceled in five cities, one of them by the UK police who were targeting anything with Palestinian in the title. I wasn't alone. Other events were also canceled in the UK an entire conference was shut down. It's an atmosphere of total intolerance for any sympathy for Palestinians living under occupation. And it's quite telling to me that even a book that is portraying the everyday lives of Palestinians and Jews living under Israeli rule would be targeted. And if a book like that is being targeted, we're in an atmosphere where virtually nothing can be said. And this is precisely the kind of conversations we need to be having in order to address the deep roots of this recurrent bloodshed.
Nathan Thrall
That was Nathan Thrall and Abd Salemah Thrall's new book is called A Day in the Life of Abd Salama the Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy.
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NPR's Book of the Day: Detailed Summary of the January 3, 2025 Episode
NPR's Book of the Day, hosted by Andrew Limbong, offers listeners insightful discussions on notable books across various genres. In the January 3, 2025 episode, the focus is on two Pulitzer Prize-winning works: Jonathan Eig's biography "A Life: Martin Luther King Jr." and Nathan Thrall's "A Day in the Life of Abd Salama." This summary delves into the key points, discussions, insights, and conclusions presented in the episode, enriched with notable quotes and proper speaker attributions.
Andrew Limbong [00:02]:
"Today we bring you two conversations with authors who are now Pulitzer Prize winners."
Limbong sets the stage by highlighting the significance of literary awards beyond the National Book Award, emphasizing the impact and recognition that come with the Pulitzer Prize.
Jonathan Eig [01:23]:
"The life of Martin Luther King, one of the most famous in American history. But in that life, one thing is easy to overlook, how young he was."
Eig introduces his biography, shedding light on King's youth and the early accomplishments that marked his rise as a civil rights leader.
Martin Luther King Jr. [03:26]:
"One of Dr. King's friends told me that he thought Martin Luther King was really exceptional in that he did not seem to be bruised by racism in quite the same way that so many of his peers were."
Eig discusses King's upbringing in relative prosperity compared to his father, Martin Luther King Sr. This section explores how King's environment and family dynamics shaped his leadership qualities.
Martin Luther King Jr. [04:02]:
"He was a very difficult man. He was very stubborn. He was violent at times."
The biography delves into the complexities of King's relationship with his father, highlighting the challenges and high standards that influenced King's personal and professional life.
Martin Luther King Jr. [04:44]:
"It really did. One of the interesting things about King is that he's a protest leader who really does not like conflict."
Eig examines how King's aversion to conflict affected his strategies in negotiations and his interactions with other civil rights leaders.
Martin Luther King Jr. [05:27]:
"He skipped grades and went to Morehouse, two, three years younger than most of his classmates."
The biography also highlights King's relentless pursuit of education, surpassing his father's expectations and educational attainment, which fueled his vision for social justice.
Martin Luther King Jr. [06:13]:
"This is one of the miraculous moments in American history where the right person happens to be in the right place at the right time."
Eig narrates King's unexpected rise to prominence during the Montgomery bus boycott, emphasizing his natural oratory skills and ability to inspire collective action.
Martin Luther King Jr. [07:44]:
"The Bible. I'd have to say it was his faith in God."
King's unwavering faith and moral convictions are presented as pillars that sustained him through immense pressures, including FBI investigations and personal threats.
Andrew Limbong [09:13]:
"Nathan Thrall's A Day in the Life of Abd Salama won the Pulitzer for general nonfiction. It's about a Palestinian father looking for his son in the wake of a deadly bus accident."
Thrall's book is introduced as an indelibly human portrait that captures the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through the lens of a tragic event.
Abd Salama [10:14]:
"A minute on this day was like waiting for hours. I felt like my son was close to me."
The narrative centers on a bus accident that claims the lives of six Palestinian children and a teacher. Abd Salama's poignant search for his son, Milad, serves as the emotional core of the story.
Nathan Thrall [11:57]:
"Green IDs are issued for Palestinians living in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, and they bar access to Israel without explicit permission."
Thrall provides a detailed background of the Israeli-Palestinian divide, explaining the significance of identity cards and the impact of segregation on daily life.
Abd Salama [12:43]:
"So when he told me, maybe your story will make a difference about our Palestinian issue."
Thrall's approach in the book emphasizes personal stories over political abstractions, aiming to bridge understanding by showcasing the lived experiences of both Palestinians and Jews under Israeli authority.
Nathan Thrall [15:35]:
"And it's quite telling to me that even a book that is portraying the everyday lives of Palestinians and Jews living under Israeli rule would be targeted."
In the aftermath of heightened tensions following the Hamas attack on October 7, Thrall discusses the challenges faced in promoting his book, reflecting the current atmosphere of intolerance and the urgent need for nuanced conversations.
Andrew Limbong [16:53]:
"And that's it for this week on NPR's Book of the Day."
Limbong wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage further through newsletters and highlighting the production team behind the podcast.
Jonathan Eig's "A Life" offers a fresh perspective on Martin Luther King Jr., focusing on his early life, education, and complex father-son relationship, which significantly influenced his leadership and strategies in the civil rights movement.
Nathan Thrall's "A Day in the Life of Abd Salama" provides an intimate look into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, humanizing the struggles on both sides through the tragic story of a father searching for his son, thereby challenging listeners to move beyond political abstractions.
Both books underscore the importance of personal narratives in understanding and addressing broader social and political issues, highlighting the enduring relevance of these Pulitzer-winning works in contemporary discourse.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps:
Jonathan Eig [01:23]: "The life of Martin Luther King, one of the most famous in American history. But in that life, one thing is easy to overlook, how young he was."
Martin Luther King Jr. [03:26]: "One of Dr. King's friends told me that he thought Martin Luther King was really exceptional in that he did not seem to be bruised by racism in quite the same way that so many of his peers were."
Abd Salama [10:14]: "A minute on this day was like waiting for hours. I felt like my son was close to me."
Nathan Thrall [15:35]: "And it's quite telling to me that even a book that is portraying the everyday lives of Palestinians and Jews living under Israeli rule would be targeted."
This episode of NPR's Book of the Day offers a profound exploration of two influential books that delve deep into pivotal historical and contemporary issues, encouraging listeners to engage with the human stories behind significant societal movements and conflicts.