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He was a fricking crazy man. He was my father, and I had no idea about any of this. Until now. Crook county is available now. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or PODC or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia podcast. I'm Maria Tremarki. And I'm Holly Frey. Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime. Each season we explore a new theme, from poisoners to art thieves. We uncover the secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching. And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story. Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers, and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find, because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice, and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Previously on Obscurum. Invasion of the drones. Think they're aliens? I think the funnest one is the fact that we're missing a nuclear warhead. I like that one. Well, they were quiet, but they had definite two, like spotlight coming out of the bottom of them. It was just going over the lake. The geese were just going crazy. To me, it seemed like they were looking for something. She was a lot more concerned, you know, in case they're trying to find people and find kids to nab. Like, sex traffickers have gone extremely high tech. I'm counting at least 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It actually rotated, looking as if it was peering in each window of our home. Hello? Where are you? I'm out by the county lawn. I'm walking around looking at a few of these abandoned barns. You need to be really careful out there. You know, I told you when I talked to my students in Winkelmann, especially the boys, they said those places can be inhabited by people that are making meth, all sorts of stuff. So you really need to be aware of your surroundings. Well, I'm gonna go down by the river and so can you text me though, even if you can't call me, please. I need to know where you are. Stories are like puzzles. Nothing makes sense until most of the pieces are in place. When you really start to see the big picture. With the unknown aircraft, I was hoping to quickly find which pieces were missing. While trying to verify that the FBI had given the order to shoot these objects down, I dialed in on what I knew. I'd learned that swarms of these mysterious aircraft varied in size and were being seen nightly over many counties. Most sightings started at dusk and ended around 10pm it just makes me really uneasy because I feel like somebody is watching us all the time. That's just super unnerving. I'd been able to chat with a few residents, and at this point, people were wanting more information from local authorities. The following excerpt is from Yuma County Sheriff Todd Combs Facebook post and was read by a voice actor. I will tell you right up front, I do not have a lot of answers for you at this time. I wish I did, but I don't. I think we're all feeling a little bit vulnerable due to the intrusion of our privacy that we enjoy in our rural community. But I don't have a solution or know of one right now. All I can say is don't live your life in the fear of the unknown. I will keep you informed as soon as I hear anything. Chapter three. Above the prairie. The big white one is hovering low to the ground. If I had to guess, I don't know, two to 300ft in the air, there are these red and green flashes moving around it too. The switch was flipped on my vacation. That calm feeling you get from from being at home turned into pure adrenaline with each hour. I found myself getting sucked into this odd series of events that seemed more like a sci fi movie than real life. I wasn't sure what my next steps should be or if I should even be the one looking for next steps. As I'd soon be traveling back to Los Angeles, I started googling, searching through a ton of information about airplanes, drones and UFO sightings. I wanted to know if anything similar to these CR had been seen in the area before. What were your grandparents names and what were they like? Man's name was Milt Clayton Moreland and Clara Moreland was his wife. I do have a picture of him sitting on the eve of a house with a team of horses moving a house across the prairie. So he was a can do it man. I discovered an old article about unexplained flying objects published in a local newspaper from 1950. Apparently the report was given by Milt and Clara Moreland of Imperial, Nebraska. They'd passed away, but I was able to talk with their grandson Terry McNair about their story. What do you remember them telling you about what they experienced that day in 1950? Well, I remember mostly my grandmother talking about it and she would get quite excited and she would think that these things just came buzzing along and they weren't large, they were small, you know, like saucer, basketball shaped. And you know, they were just kind of flittering along all together, a whole bunch of them. And they came in from one way and swooped out a different way. So she's just, you know, sitting at home one day, it's, it's daylight and these saucer type basketball looking objects just kind of appear. They just kind of appear. They heard a noise, they went out to investigate it and that's what they found. If Terry hadn't used the word saucer, his description sounded eerily similar to the drone behavior I'd heard about. Any ideas of, you know, what you think they saw? Flying saucers. I've thought that my whole life. Have you heard any other stories of flying saucers in that area before? Not really. I would remember my mother talking about lights in the prairie when she was a Kid that they would see lights in different areas where they knew there was no population. They were just lights. What do you mean by, by lights? They were more along the land rather than high in the sky. They were, they were close to the earth but off in the distance. She just said that they were unexplained. So she just saw weird, weird lights in the prairie. As I looked further into the history of the area, I came across more interesting facts. In the 1960s, a number of locals saw weird objects in the sky. One of those people was Barb Stanley. I was a 10 years old and I looked out on the horizon, there was a hill and as I was sitting there, I saw some type of craft that I think had landed. Then it slowly rose and I thought it was going to go just keep going higher, but it just disappeared. Just one minute was there and one minute it wasn't bigger than a car, but didn't look like a car. You know, back in my 10 year old mind I was just like, wow, you know, I've never, never seen anything like that before. That's not what the Jetsons were like. It seemed to be the real deal. Barb experienced this sighting on the family farm, which oddly enough was close to where these so called drones were first spotted. A week later there was a newspaper article that said there was a lady in Imperial that had basically seen the same thing. I took it out to my husband and said, read this. So that was kind of an affirmation that I wasn't just making up a story. You said you were sitting on the porch looking out. You know what's going through your mind when you see this? I'd say astonishment because I had the feeling that I was alone, you know, like my parents were gone and so who would help me. I thought, oh wow, if this is serious and they mean harm, I'm basically by myself. That had to be such a surreal feeling, especially at a young age without anyone around. When I continued looking into these sightings, I came across an article about one of the first UFO crashes in modern history. It was said to have taken place in southwest Nebraska, near Binkelman in the late 1800s. As the story goes, in early June of 1884, a rare phenomenon occurred. A few cowboys were out at a roundup when they were startled by a loud noise and saw what looked like a blazing body fall into the earth. The next day, a brand inspector found machinery scattered throughout the pasture after the object had cooled, including a wheel fragment with a mill rim. The object was reported to be 50 to 60ft long, cylindrical, and about 10 or 12ft in diameter. Because that story was from so long ago, I took it with a grain of salt. I obviously had no way to check the facts with the locals who'd experienced it. Whether people were seeing drones, flying saucers, or something else, I began to notice a common theme. Most of these sightings occurred near isolated farmhouses outside the city limits. I wasn't sure how this info could play into what was happening, but it proved one thing. Unexplained aircraft weren't out of the ordinary for this part of the country. It takes one guy out there to say, who's that? Kyle, who thinks he can just get on a microphone on a podcast and start publicizing this. From iHeartrading podcasts and Tenderfoot TV comes a new true crime podcast, Crook County. I got recruited into the mob when I was 17 years old. Meet Kenny, an enforcer for the legendary Chicago outfit. And that was my mission, to snuff the life out of this guy. He lived a secret double life as a firefighter, paramedic for the Chicago Fire Department. I had a wife and I had two children. Nobody knew anything. People are dying. Is he doing this every night? Torn between two worlds? I'm covering up murders that these cops are doing. He was a fricking crazy man. We don't know who he is, really. He is. My father and I had no idea about any of this. Until now. Welcome to Crook County. Series premiere February 11th. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reput. It's terrible, terrible dirt. Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery. 7,000 bodies out there or more, all former patients of the old state asylum, and nobody knew they were there. It was my family's mystery. But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets. Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information. When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think. The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that. I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to Under Yazu Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Mark Seale. And I'm Nathan King, this is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us to shoot that picture. Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really the first interview I've done in bed. We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting. That's nonsense. There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened. And they said we're finished. This is over. It only is not going to work. You gotta get rid of those guys. It's disaster. Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of Marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine all in less than a year. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Chapter four Surrounded as more residents saw drone like objects flying, I began contacting police stations in neighboring counties. Despite my persistence, it was tough to get anyone to speak with me. There was one person I knew I could lean on outside of law enforcement. His name is Bill Bowerly and he's a family friend. Bill also just happens to be an aviation expert. He was an Air Force pilot, Delta Air Lines pilot, and former member of the local airport authority. How are ya? Good. I'm actually working on another aviation project. Bill's an outdoorsman. When I walked into his house, there were fish and animal heads up on the walls. So how have you been? Good. 100% busy. This has been my busiest year flying. After we caught up Bill Dove into his background. I started, got my license in 76 on a program that was pretty military. It was part of my scholarship. I had to go to the military. Takes a year to get through Air force pilot training. 78 I graduated. They plowed me back as an instructor because I did too well in the course. And then into Germany for three years. And then from that I went to a test squadron and flew in the test squadron. Left the military on a Friday. Started on Monday with Delta and I've been flying for Delta every month since. It was Bill's military history that I thought might shine some light on what was going on. So they've been doing drones in the military for a really long time. Really. That first Gulf War was where they really brought them in so you didn't have to risk a man's life and you could provide reconnaissance. And that's where it got started. And the intel gathering and the sensors they can put on it, the miniaturization of all of that just kept improving, improving. So they make them smaller and smaller? Well, they kept making them a little bit bigger and giving them more range. So that's where they came up with these 24, 36 hour drones that could just loiter. I'd heard the term drone tossed around a lot. I pulled up an official definition. A drone is technically any unmanned aircraft that can fly remotely or autonomously. In my opinion, that description left a lot of room for interpretation. Was the word drone just the new and more casual term for ufo? I'd now seen these drones, as people were calling them, three nights in a row. There were larger orb like objects illuminating the fields and smaller ones surrounding them. Each night they were flying in groups. We were testing the ability to be able to tie remotely piloted vehicles to a mothership. And that was in the late 80s. So we, we know that you can have a mothership fly and tether wirelessly other ones off of it. Bill then gave me more than I bargained for. A first person report on what he thought may be flying in the sky. These are most likely the ones that they'll put a gas engine on them with a small fuel cell and that engine then powers electric, that powers all the props. We've got military drones that can stay up 36 hours. If you just use the premise that they are a six hour drone and they can travel at 60 miles an hour, it would be very conceivable that you could launch these from 100 miles away, go do your work and then fly that hundred miles home. Imagine a six foot vehicle with wings, which job takes 36 hours and covers hundreds of miles. Somebody's making money doing this, otherwise it wouldn't exist. That's what I keep saying. Follow the money trail. Follow the money trail. That's the first step. It comes down to. What confidence do you have in believing what your government tells you? By the time I left Bill's, I'd received a few messages. Apparently, when people hear you're back home from LA and asking questions about a weird phenomenon they've seen too, you get a lot of tips for who to visit with the girl you were talking about. That's your daughter in law or that's your daughter or that's my daughter. It is your daughter. Okay. When she was in her car and those three drones kind of appeared, you know, surrounding her car, how close would she estimate that those were to her actual vehicle as it was going down the road? She said they were just like a little above, like the telephone poles. So I mean, she could see them clearly. And there was like three of them and they were just, just kind of following her. A lady named Tricia Michael told me that she'd received a strange phone call late one evening when a few of the unknown aircraft flew above her daughter's vehicle. When she called, it was her phone number, but it said Palestinian territories as far as our area. But I didn't answer it. So when I called her back, she did not answer. So I called the Palestinian number back just to kind of see what it was and see if I would get anybody or not. And I had just got a male voice recording saying that the number was no longer available once she got home. And there was nothing above her. And it rang in just fine. It rang in normal. So when she called you, it said Palestinian territories on your caller ID where you'd normally see her name, correct? Yeah, normally it would say like local. Like if it's a local call, it would say Sterling, Colorado. Where it would say where it's from. It had listed Palestinian territory. What did your daughter describe? You know, feeling like when those drones were following her? I don't think that that one bothered her nearly as much as later in that evening she had gotten. And she was the only one here. And there were three that were parked on our road and they parked there for about 30 minutes or so at least. When you say parked, you mean that they were hovering in the air? Yeah, hovering, yeah. Yeah. They just hover and don't move. So that made her a lot more uncomfortable than just driving underneath it could these aircraft be interfering with cell towers. It sure seemed like that was a possibility. I kept searching for new leads. Let's just say things got even more peculiar. I just don't get, like, why they're so interested suddenly in this area. He said that we have military drones out here that are using scramblers that are trying to break up the signals. There is a river bottom down through here and they seem to work the waterway. The drones that are here have been described as black. We have been told that the military drones are actually white. Their grid pattern was definitely around Frenchman Creek. It takes one guy out there to say, who's that? Kyle. Who thinks he can just get on a microphone on a podcast and start publicizing this. From I Heart podcasts and Tenderfoot TV comes a new true crime podcast, Crook County. I got recruited into the mob when I was 17 years old. Meet Kenny, an enforcer for the legendary Chicago outfit. And that was my mission, to snuff the life out of this guy. He lived a secret double life as a firefighter paramedic for the Chicago Fire Department. I had a wife and I had two children. Nobody knew anything. People are dying. Is he doing this every night? Torn between two worlds. I'm covering up murders that these cops are doing. He was a freaking crazy man. We don't know who he is, really. He is. My father and I had no idea about any of this until now. Welcome to Crook County. Series premiere February 11th. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's a type of soil in Mississippi called yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's gum. A reputation. It's terrible, terrible dirt. Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery. 7,000 bodies out there or more. All former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there. It was my family's. But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets. Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information. When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think. The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that. I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to under yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Mark Seale. And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun. Take the cannoli the five families did not want us to shoot that picture. Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really the first interview I've done in bed. We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting. That's nonsense. There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened and they said we're finished. This is over. It only is not gonna work. Try to get rid of those guys. It's that Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Kahn, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine, all in less than a year. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the Magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. God, I love sweet and cream. I used to go here growing up and I'd always get the same order. Two hamburgers, ketchup, only french fry and Dr. Pepper. It was early evening and I just ordered dinner at a drive through in Imperial when I received information about another encounter. This one seemed different. The lady mentioned in the message didn't live too far east of town. I quickly finished up my meal and headed in her direction. I think this is the turn. I'm gonna go see this girl right now named Marcy Kelly. There was a pen close by with a few of Marcy's animals. Her goat named Nanny kept wanting to get in on the interview. Nanny, don't eat my clothes. You are a good goat though. That's a micro. I could tell that Marcy was a small town gal at heart. Before we began our conversation, she walked me through her house, passed some family photos, and onto the back patio. No, you're fine. I don't remember what our question was. No, I was just gonna say, you know, is it typical for farmers to use drones? Yes. Even through my husband's work, they have a drone that they check the pivots with. And I think that a lot of other people do too. I think that Southwest Power uses them. Probably check the power lines from what I've understood. And now. And they're not nearly this big. Yeah. What do you make of this whole thing? What. How do you. How do you feel? I feel uneasy about it. Just because there's so many and they've been here for so long and we don't have an answer of who's doing it. We both, my husband and I both think that we. They shut off their lights and they can fly lower then and they're undetected. Like later at night when they're trying to go back to their check in point or whatever they're trying to do, because then you can hear them and there's no planes in the area and it's just a different kind of a noise. What would lead you to believe that they. That they shut off their lights because when they're high up you can't hear them. And so it's just a different kind of a noise that we hear. So I just. It's just kind of a noise that you're like, oh, they're lower and you can hear them, you know, kind of like after a jet goes by and then you hear it later on or something like that. Marcy had seen most of the aircraft near her property, and she noticed something else. Wild animals weren't acting as they normally would during the winter. Sunday, and it was like the day after the blizzard. Like we lost power and stuff. Saturday night from the snow, my dogs caught a snake. And then a few days before that, my friend's daughter had gotten a turtle and I'd seen a frog hopping. And I'm like, what? So that was weird to me that all of those things are coming out of the ground. Kind of worried that way. From your perspective, what do the formations look like and are there different sizes of the drones from what you've seen? I think that there's different sizes. I think that there's like a docking station, one that's a little bit bigger, that either they get energy from it or charge or reboot or exchange information to and that one seems pretty just like it hovers. It doesn't really move a lot. Kind of just stays stable. And then the other ones, I've seen them go fast, I've seen them go slow. I've seen them shut off the lights and then turn them back on later. And I think that they range in sizes. I don't think that they'd be over 10 foot at the biggest. I mean, probably mostly 5 to 8 foot. Could you make out that a was in fact a drone? Sounds better than a UFO identified flying object. Basically, yeah. Just when I thought I'd heard every theory, Marcy dropped this one. I have heard and I haven't seen. I seen a picture of like a green substance that's been dropped. You know, I'm like, oh, what if it's something like dangerous? When I got back inside the pickup, I played that audio over and over and I seen a picture of like a green substance that's been dropped. A green substance that's been dropped. Marcy didn't reveal who showed her the picture or where they lived. The skeptic in me kept thinking aircraft dropping things from the sky at night. Why do these accounts keep getting even more bizarre? Just when I'd begin to wrap my mind around certain parts of this story, I was told another credible, if unbelievable detail Coming up on Obscurum. Invasion of of the drones. Really? We have to absolutely verify what is happening in Colorado. Someone has very sophisticated ways to override the FAA rules that are in here. I can see it glowing off the tin of our shop. As soon as I opened the garage door, there was a white, like infrared camera light. We want to hear from you. 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My name is Kyle Tequila, host of the shocking new true crime podcast Crook County. I got recruited into the mob when I was 17 years old. People are dying. Is he doing this every night? Kenny was a Chicago firefighter who lived a secret double life as a mafia hitman. I had a wife and I had two children. Nobody knew anything. He was a freaking crazy man. He was my father, and I had no idea about any of this. Until now. Crook county is available now. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tremarke. And I'm Holly Fry. Together, we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime. Each season we explore a new theme. From poisoners to art thieves, we uncover the secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching. And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story. Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers, and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice, and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.