500 Million Downloads & The Original Office Ladies Pilot!

Summary

Office Ladies – “500 Million Downloads & The Original Office Ladies Pilot!”

Date: June 3, 2026
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

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Episode Overview

In this celebratory episode, Jenna and Angela mark a massive milestone: over 500 million downloads of the Office Ladies podcast. They reflect on the origins of the show, share heartfelt stories about work-life balance, and revisit the never-before-heard original Office Ladies recording (the “pilot”) made in Angela’s garage. The episode is filled with personal anecdotes, honest insights into starting something new, favorite behind-the-scenes moments from The Office—especially about the iconic Halloween episodes—and touching tributes to the team and fans that have brought the podcast to life.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

Celebrating the 500 Million Milestone

[02:11–05:32]

• Balloons, Cake, and Gifts:
  Angela surprises Jenna with balloons spelling "500 million" (blown up by hand over a week) and a cake with only "500" due to space limits—echoing the kind of imperfect office party Jim and Dwight might plan.

  “We have some sad balloons, we have a sad cake, but we have lots of happiness in our heart.” — Angela Kinsey (03:47)

• Angela gifts matching gold “500” necklaces:

  “If you know, you know.” — Angela Kinsey (04:55)

• The milestone sparks reflection on how far they’ve come.

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How Office Ladies Began: “The Garage Story”

[05:35–15:42]

• Responding to listener questions about work-life balance, career pivots, and finding fulfilling work.
• The Spark:
  Desire to work together again post-The Office, initially assuming it would be on-screen.
• The Garage Clean-Out:
  Seven years ago, they used each other as “accountability buddies” for cleaning their garages, unearthing a trove of Office memorabilia.
• Recording the First Session:
  Decided to record themselves reminiscing (Angela: “I literally set my iPhone on the sofa and hit record… while eating a turkey wrap.”).
• The Husbands' Role:
  Their spouses, Josh and Lee, listen, suggest it could be a podcast, and connect them to podcasting pro Jeff Ullrich (Earwolf founder):

  “He’s like the Steve Jobs of podcasting, basically.” — Jenna Fischer (11:04)

• Learning Curve:
  Shared anxieties (“Where do we plug in the microphones?”), honest about being “beginners” and asking “dumb questions.”

  “Starting something new...it takes a big leap of faith. You have to be willing to risk being a beginner at something again.” — Jenna Fischer (15:13)

• Balancing best friendship, family priorities, and creative fulfillment drove them forward.

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The Never-Before-Heard Original “Pilot”

[18:28–37:38]

• Setting: March 7 (Jenna’s birthday) in Angela’s converted garage/office.
• Content:
  Deep dive into The Office’s Halloween episodes and their significance—touching on:
  • Candy corn addiction (“I got sick from eating too much candy corn.” — Angela, 19:36)
  • Costume choices (most decided by writers; only Mindy Kaling chose her own due to writing credit).

    "Mindy loves to go big, right?" — Angela Kinsey (22:15) "She had the best costumes. She was Carrie Bradshaw, Snooki, Katy Perry, and then Lilu from The Fifth Element." — Angela Kinsey (22:16)

  • The original Season 2 Halloween episode:
    • Inspiration for firing someone from the boss’ point of view (crediting Greg Daniels).
    • The accidental “promotion” of Creed to series regular due to firing plot.

      "He handed him a five-page scene with Steve Carell. No audition. Greg had never seen him act." — Angela Kinsey (26:29)

  • Pam’s first “air high five” with Jim and first time Pam wears her hair down—significant debates about character authenticity.
  • Dedication to “realistic” wardrobe—nothing tailored, even as show success grew.

    "Do you know what's the difference between a normal person walking down the street and someone walking down the street on a TV show?...Alterations." — Unattributed wardrobe advice (29:05)

  • Staff and crew’s tight-knit family vibe, especially around holidays.

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Heartfelt Friendship & Working-Mom Support

[37:41–48:04]

• The Office’s unique family-focused culture—producers and creators like Greg Daniels and Steve Carell prioritized work-life balance, including finishing early on Halloween so staff could be with their families.
• Modern Holiday Story:
  Jenna organizes a “make-up” trick-or-treat for Angela’s kids when work threatens their holiday, rallying neighbors for a private Halloween.

  “You will not miss Halloween on my watch.” — Jenna Fischer (42:44)

  • The importance of chosen family, creating meaningful experiences even when schedules or family structures are nontraditional.
  • Open discussion about the challenges and emotions of parenting, joint custody, and missing important moments.

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Reflection After Hearing the Old Tape

[51:09–54:32]

• Both are deeply moved revisiting the first recording, recognizing the elements of chemistry, organization (Jenna’s fast facts), and their comforting but different perspectives.
• Gratitude for their continuing friendship:

  “It’s such a fun conversation between two friends about a magical time in our life...I’m just so thankful that we get to continue talking and sharing all these years later.” — Angela Kinsey (53:11)

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Appreciation for the Team & Community

[54:44–67:18]

Messages from the Team:

• Colin Anderson (Earwolf Exec):
  Shares behind-the-scenes memories; Office Ladies quickly surpassed all download projections.

  “200,000 of those listeners told us that Office Ladies was the first podcast they’d ever listened to.” (55:01)

• Cody Fisher (Original Producer):
  Still podcasting, proud of rewiring antique lamps, and commiserates with Sam Kiefer about sound quality.
• Ainsley Bubbico (Podcast Assistant):
  Started during the pandemic, now performing in a musical, never saw The Office before this job (“It’s pretty good!”).
• Cassie (Assistant, on vacation):
  Shout-out for being a vital part of the show.
• Sam Kiefer (Audio Engineer):
  Heartfelt update on his life, sobriety, and pride in the community built by Office Ladies.

  “Podcasts end, but communities last forever.” (61:41)

• Matt Beagle (Senior Producer):
  Honored to join the team, praised for anticipation and organization (“Command F” nickname for his ability to find anything).

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End-of-Episode Reflections

[66:33–67:18]

• Deep appreciation for listeners and the entire community built over seven years.

  “It’s changed our lives and we’re so, so thankful and we just love you and hope you have a great week.” — Angela Kinsey (66:55)

• Tease of new Office Ladies ideas to come.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Jenna & Angela on starting out:
  “We went out there, we made ourselves vulnerable. We asked a lot of dumb questions...being willing to risk being a beginner at something again.” — Jenna Fischer (13:07–15:13)
• Origin Story Humor:
  “I also had a ton of baskets. And you had broken lamps.” — Jenna Fischer (08:44)
• Friendship in action:
  “You will not miss Halloween on my watch.” — Jenna Fischer (42:44)
• About Greg Daniels:
  "He’s the gentlest man...it just must have wrecked him" to have to fire someone, even fictionally. — Jenna Fischer (26:08)
• On Community:
  “Podcasts end. But communities last forever.” — Sam Kiefer (61:41)
• Gratitude for Fans:
  “There is no Office Ladies without this community. And you guys are the 500 million downloads. It’s you.” — Angela Kinsey (14:56)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• Milestone Celebration/Balloons & Cake: 02:11–05:32
• Origin Story & Garage Cleaning: 05:35–09:13
• Original “Pilot” Reflection/Work-life balance: 09:13–15:46
• Unveiling and commentary on first garage recording: 18:28–37:38
• Halloween on The Office – stories and behind-the-scenes: 19:18–37:38
• Holiday/work-life balance/supporting each other: 37:41–48:04
• Reflection on recorded memories: 51:09–54:32
• Messages from the Office Ladies team: 54:44–66:33

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Tone & Style

The episode is warm, playful, and sometimes tearful, blending deep friendship, humor, vulnerability, and a lot of gratitude. Jenna and Angela alternate between silly stories (broken lamps, sad cakes) and profound reflections on career, motherhood, and community.

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Final Thoughts

Whether you’re a devoted Office Ladies listener or new to this podcast, this episode is a love letter to friendship, creative risk-taking, and the lasting power of The Office fandom. Jenna and Angela highlight the importance of cherishing beginnings, embracing vulnerability, and leaning into supportive communities—on and off mic.

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Next up: More BFF stories, Dunder Mifflin deep dives, surprise guests, and a never-ending stream of gratitude for their listeners.

Transcript

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Hello. Hi there. Oh, my goodness. Jenna Fisher.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

We have a big episode today. Office Ladies, you guys, has hit a huge milestone this month, and we're going to do a whole episode to celebrate it. We want to celebrate it with you guys. Jenna, tell them what's happening.

[Jenna Fischer]

We just hit over 500 million downloads for Office Lady's podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, 500 million.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Over.

[Jenna Fischer]

Over. We'd been tracking it, lady, and all of a sudden, when we went back to see where we were, we were actually at 501 million. I know. We reduced it by a whole million.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

You brought in balloons that spell out 500 million. You told me you were gonna do this. I said, lady Is it necessary? You said, quote, I feel very strongly about this. You said it in a tone I did. Like that you were like, I am not around.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a big number. Yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Balloons. It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, balloons. Damn it. And here's the thing I didn't realize when I ordered them is that we had to blow them up. Yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It feels like when you've hit 500 million downloads, someone else blows up your balloons.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, as it turns out, no, you

[Jenna Fischer]

do it not here.

[Angela Kinsey]

You do it over a week at home with your husband. Thank you, Josh.

[Jenna Fischer]

You also brought in a treat.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did. We have a cake. Cause you guys on office Ladies, we celebrate everything with cake. We have a cake. Guess what, guys? It didn't have space for the word million. It says 500.

[Jenna Fischer]

Great. 500 what? They don't know when they made it. They didn't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

They don't know. I think basically it's like Jim and DWight planned our 500 million download party because we have some sad balloons, we have a sad cake, but we have lots of happiness in our heart. You guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I got you something.

[Jenna Fischer]

You got me something?

[Angela Kinsey]

I did. And me, I got us matching gifts.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

This is very on brand for me because over the years, I've gotten us many matching gifts.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is true.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're probably never going to wear this.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's something I wear.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I got so dialed in to this number. 500 million. Are you crazy? That's nuts.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it? Is it.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a gold necklace.

[Colin Anderson]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was afraid it was a shirt that said 500 million.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I thought about a hoodie, but I didn't do it. I got us each a necklace. Look, it's gold plated. And then the number 500 is gonna hang around her neck.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let me see this. Let me see this. I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what? I purposely didn't put the million. Cause, like, kind of like with the cake, if you know, you know, if

[Jenna Fischer]

you know, you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

And there's gonna be some school assembly. Jenna, you're gonna be sitting there and someone's gonna be like, 500. Huh? And you're gonna be like, uh huh. That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

500.

[Angela Kinsey]

500. And I would work 500 miles. I've had that song stuck in my head and I tried to think of a way to, like, make it into downloads.

[Jenna Fischer]

You almost did a song parody as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did. I gave up on that really quick.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, thank you for not giving up on these other celebratory items. I appreciate them very much.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're welcome.

[Jenna Fischer]

Truly, I'm saying that sincerely.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're welcome, Sam. There's cake.

[Sam Kiefer]

Great. I look forward to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Congratulations. Congratulations. Well, you know, hitting this milestone has made us both really reflective on how it all began.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And there is a question that we have gotten a lot over the years that we've always wanted to answer. And this week seemed like finally the perfect timing. A lot of people have written in and asked how we started Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Here is a letter from Rachel W. In Washington, D.C. rachel says, I'm very interested in hearing more about your thought and decision making process that led to Office Ladies. I just had my first baby and want to figure out a way to have a better balance between work and spending time with my family. But it feels like there are so few options between full time work or full time at home. I love how you ladies figured out how to make work fit into your ideal work life balance. And I want to hear more about it. And another letter from Paula M. In Monterrey, Mexico. Paula says, I recently got fired from a job I hated. I've been working in the same industry for 15 plus years and I want to try something new. How did you guys find your ideal job?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Rachel and Paula, we actually have a great story about how this podcast started and the reasons touch on some of the same themes that you mention in your letters about wanting to find work life balance and also wanting to try something new. And Angela and I have shared a little bit about how podcasting came into our lives and we do write about it in our book the office BFFs. But I would think that the main driving factor, and tell me if you agree with me here, Anne.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

But the main driving factor of how we got here is simply that we always wanted to work together again. Ever since we wrapped the Office, we've daydreamed about working together again.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And I think we always assumed it would be an on camera job, like maybe we would host a game show or be in a TV show together again. And we talk about this all the time. And then about seven years ago, we were trading messages about how we wanted to organize our garages and sheds. Sometimes you need a buddy to get this stuff done. Right. You were like my accountability buddy that I was finally going to get through all these bins because we had so much junk that we were storing and

[Jenna Fischer]

we had both been putting it off and putting it off. And I said let's pick a day and both get started. Because then that way we're kind of doing it together.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And we would give each other little progress reports, you know?

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. It's very funny to me, though, that clearly, seven years later, I had accumulated so much junk again that I had to re clean my garage.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't even open my shed door. Oh, no. It's honestly one of the things Josh is like. I can't even walk past it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Listen, seven years ago, these things were clean.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know they were.

[Jenna Fischer]

And mine is clean again. So, lady, if you need help, I don't know what we'll get out of it, but let's stay on track here. While we were cleaning this stuff out, we both found a ton of office memorabilia. We had these old photos, we had old scripts. We had old call sheets. Like all the stuff that we had saved for our whole nine years on the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

I still had a bin of everything I kept in my trailer because we had.

I had that, too. Labeled trailer.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also had a ton of baskets. And you had broken lamps. Those are other things we tend to collect.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guess I love lamps. You love lamps, Even if they're broken.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love baskets. But anyway, so we had all this office memorabilia. We weren't really sure what to do with it, and I told Jenna, maybe we should write a book. And you said, hell no. I said, no, I never doing that again. I think it was a more emphatic no. Yeah, it was a no.

[Sam Kiefer]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was fresh off my first book, and it's a lot.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a lot. By the way, when Josh wanted to do a book, I said, hell, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then you did.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then I did. But anyway, I just thought we really needed to preserve our office stuff, and we were trying to figure out how to do that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And I had this idea because one of the things that we both had a lot of were photos from Halloween episodes, because we often brought our cameras all nine years for any of the holiday episodes in particular. They were always so much fun. So I said, ang, why don't we go through all of our Halloween memorabilia from the office? Let's jot down some of our memories, and then we'll get together with one another, and we'll read each other what we wrote. We'll just, like, trade stories.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And we had no idea what this was gonna be. We just felt sort of compelled in this artist journey to be like, we have this stuff. Let's share about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. It was kind of like, how do we commit this stuff to memory before we don't remember it anymore.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly. So we did that, and Jenna came over to my house. We had just gone for a hike, lady. It was your birthday.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we sat in my garage that we were in the process of converting into, like, a guest room office. I remember Josh had just bought a sectional sofa from Ikea, so we actually had something to sit on, and we decided to record this visit so we could have it saved for. For some future inspiration. I basically took my iPhone and I just set it on the sofa between us, and I hit the record button. I also was eating a turkey wrap. I do remember. Sorry about that.

[Jenna Fischer]

You were.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And we just started talking.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And we weren't thinking this was gonna be anything like, again. We were just recording stories. But I just remember how much fun it was to sit and remember the office with you. And then after I left your house, that was it. I was like, okay, what box are we gonna clean out next? Was all I was thinking.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I mean, I thought it was fun, but I also thought it was just fun having a day with you. And I didn't know if we'd write a book or if we'd do anything, but because I had recorded our hangout, we had that. I remember I texted you the audio file. I didn't even listen to it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You didn't even.

I didn't listen to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And then both of our husbands were like, well, how'd it go today? And I remember telling Josh, well, it was really fun. I don't know what it is. And he was like, well, I'd love to hear it. So he listens to it, and he finds me later that evening. I'm in the kitchen, and he comes in, and he's like, ang, this is great. Like, I think this could be a podcast or something.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And you told me that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So then I said, lee, will you listen to this thing we recorded? Because Josh thinks it could be a podcast. So Lee listened to it, and he was like, yes. Oh, my gosh, this is a podcast. He said, my friend Jeff should listen to this. He said his friend Jeff knew a lot about podcasting. So I'm like, okay. So we email it to Jeff, not knowing that Jeff was Jeff Ulrich, one of the founders of Earwolf. He's like the Steve Jobs of podcasting, basically. So Jeff listened to it, he agreed, and he said, do you want to meet with some people? And he eventually introduced us to a lot of people in the podcasting world.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know what? I remember?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

We went to his house, and we were talking about it with him, and you kept saying, but where do we plug in the microphones?

[Jenna Fischer]

I was like, how do you get the microphones for it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Where do you get the microphones?

[Jenna Fischer]

Because we recorded this on our iPhone. But, like, we'll need regular microphones.

[Angela Kinsey]

You were so curious about the production from the very beginning.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he was like, I don't wanna talk about the microphones. Like, that'll happen. He's like, I'm talking about a vision for what this could be to you. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I guess I just am wondering, like, where do you. How do you upload it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you always said, and I love this, you were like, don't be afraid to ask a lot of dumb questions. Because we were learning a whole new genre. This was an absolute big career pivot, and we didn't know what we were doing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And we had the benefit of our name value. Right. Like, that's something, and that is valuable.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we had our true life memories of working on the show and our friendships with the cast and crew.

[Jenna Fischer]

But otherwise, this was a whole new section of the entertainment industry. We didn't know anything about it. And so we did. We went out there, we made ourselves vulnerable. We asked a lot of dumb questions and a lot of meetings. But the more we looked at it, the more podcasting really made sense. Because it was a stable job in Los Angeles, which is not easy to come by in the entertainment industry. We would be able to set our own schedules, which was very important to us. It was something we could do while our kids were at school. It just. It really seemed like it could open up a whole new lifestyle for us. And then, of course, best of all, we could work together again in a creative way.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. It was best friendship and putting family first.

[Jenna Fischer]

And that's how we got here. And cleaning out our garages and sheds, which makes me say, lady, what could happen on the next big clean?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know what's in there. You know, I hadn't listened to this recording since we did it, so it'd been seven years.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a pretty crazy time capsule of where we were in life. And I'm so glad we have it. You know, Josh, after we recorded it and we decided to kind of use it as a sizzle to take meetings, he sort of tidied it up.

[Jenna Fischer]

He did.

[Angela Kinsey]

There was, I think, 40 seconds of me unwrapping a turkey wrap.

[Jenna Fischer]

He took that out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And he added, like, some little musical stings. And it's just wild to hear again. Isn't.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really is. And we Kind of thought that we could play it for y' all today. In honor of reaching 500 million downloads, we thank you so much for being on this journey with us 100%.

[Angela Kinsey]

There is no office ladies, without this community. And you guys are the 500 million downloads. It's you. You're the reason we're here. You're the reason why we get to be at our kids soccer games and we get to work with each other as best friends again. And we just love you guys from the bottom of our hearts.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I guess also I would say to Rachel and Paula, in answer to your questions, starting something new, particularly a new career, it takes a big leap of faith and you have to be willing to risk being a beginner at something again. You have to be willing to look stupid and to not know everything. It can be a very humbling thing to start something new. And that's another reason why we wanted to play this for you so that you can see where we started. Because it is not perfect.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no, not at all.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is far from perfect. But it was the start of something.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's the very beginning for us. It was a spark, you know, and what we've learned in our careers is you've got to lean into that creative spark and see where it takes you. So let's take a quick break and when we come back, it is our office lady's pilot that we didn't even know was going to be our pilot that we've never shared before. Here's the thing. Ideas are easy. We all have them. But it's turning those ideas into something real. That's the thing that usually slows me

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, this is March 7th. It is Jenna's birthday. She is 45 today.

I am.

We just went on a hike for her birthday. And now we are sitting in what was once my rundown garage that we have made into my office, office, guest room, pool house, kidney room. And Jenna and I are really excited. This is the first time we are going to read some of our pages out loud together While Jenna reads. She's going first. I am eating a turkey wrap and chips and salsa, so I hope that's not annoying.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I'm just really excited to listen to this later and transcribe it and hear your chips. I think that is gonna be really fun for me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Keeps on giving Jenna.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, so it was my job to dive deep into the Halloween episodes. Not just the Halloween episodes, but just Halloween in general on the Office because it was a very special time.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was. We had a lot of fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I was thinking about why. Why was it such a very special, highly anticipated holiday on the set of the Office? Well, first of all, Pam always had candy on her desk. And one of my favorite candies, personally, is candy corn.

[Jenna Fischer]

You love candy corn. I'm eating.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they would put candy corn in my candy dish. The week that we shot the Halloween episodes and the first year they did it, I ate so much of it. And I think the props people were so annoyed with me because they had to keep refilling that dish for continuity. And then I actually got sick. I actually got a stomach ache from eating too much candy corn. I Was like a child.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's like what our parents tell us.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, don't make you sick. It did, but it was just right there. So I was thinking about, besides the candy corn, why did we love it so much? And I thought about it. Our regular wardrobe was so routine. Every character basically had a uniform. Like, Dwight had mustard shirts. Pam with pastel cardigans and pencil skirts. Angela, you were just high necks and gray.

[Jenna Fischer]

Gray. Charcoal. I literally have a line where I say I improvised that I was so proud of, that they were like, Amy Adams was like, what's your favorite color? And I said, gray. Charcoal. Shades of gray.

[Angela Kinsey]

Shades of gray. Phyl is basically just dressed in purple, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Or tiger print. Oh, no, leopard print.

[Angela Kinsey]

Leopard print. Animal print. Or purple. Animal prints.

[Jenna Fischer]

Or purple.

[Angela Kinsey]

At least Andy got the preppy plaids and interesting belts. He always had some.

[Jenna Fischer]

So many belts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Interesting belts. And if you think about it, our hairstyles never really changed either. So I feel like we just really craved any chance to break out. And Halloween was the chance.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, it was a big chance. It was a huge. It wasn't just a slight breakout. It was a huge breakout.

[Angela Kinsey]

Huge breakout. It was like the most exciting thing to happen to the wardrobe department, to the hair and makeup department. Everyone was very excited.

[Jenna Fischer]

And, you know, it was equal among genders. I remember Rain getting so excited about his costumes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So sometimes people ask me if we ever had any say in what our characters dressed as for Halloween. And the very simple answer to that is, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

Absolutely not.

[Angela Kinsey]

Absolutely not. So many of our costumes were plot related. There was, like, the joke that you could wear the same white cat costume year after year even when you were pregnant, which is a very funny, snarky scene that we have. Or the time that Creed, Dwight, and Kevin all dressed as the Joker. Or the time when Pam dressed as Charlie Chaplin just to find out she was the only person to dress up in a costume at her new job. That was when she was off at art school. And then she couldn't take off her hat because then she looked like Hitler. Yes. So the costume choices were mostly dictated by the story that the writer wanted to tell. That happened to be on Halloween. But I feel like there was one exception. Do you know who I'm thinking of?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. Can I guess?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mindy Kaling.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Mindy Kaling. Since Mindy was also on the writing staff, she got to be part of picking her own costume. And she always. Well, Mindy loves to dress up. Like, she loves to go big, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, she does.

[Angela Kinsey]

And she had the best costume. She was Carrie Bradshaw. She was Snooki, Katy Perry. And then Lilou from the Fifth Element. And I have this picture of you and Mindy. You were like a black widow.

[Jenna Fischer]

I took my camera that day. That's a cold open. We shot that didn't get used. Yes. And she was Lilu. And like, she had a multipass. Lilu Matupia. Multipas. Lilu Maktipas. You haven't seen the Fifth Element? Jenna, this is a great movie, and I think it still holds up. I'm just gonna say that. Lilu Mapipas.

[Angela Kinsey]

What does that mean? Are you saying her last name? Are you saying Leeloo has a multi pass? Like, she's going to.

[Jenna Fischer]

She's going to outer space. And you have to have this multi pass to get on this ship.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like a Metro card kind of.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, you have to see this. Bruce Willis is in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do love Bruce Willis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Chris Tucker's in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

But this Leeloo costume was basically white gauze. So much skin. Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you have to see it because she's in, like this. Oh, God. I don't even know how to explain it, but she is the Fifth Element.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Lilou. So I guess Mindy Kaling.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I was right. Mindy Kaling. I want to talk about one of my personal favorite episodes of the Office, which also happens to be our very first Halloween episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

It aired during season two and was called, appropriately, Halloween. I cry at the end every time I watch it. So the plot is very simple, if you don't remember. Michael is told that he must fire someone during the month of October due to cutbacks at Dunder Mifflin. But in true Michael fashion, he waits until the very last day of October, which also happens to be Halloween. Greg Daniels wrote this episode, and I remember him telling me that the inspiration for the episode was that he had always wanted to do a story about someone being fired, but from the point of view of the boss rather than the employee. He said, we always see stories of the people being fired, but rarely stories about the person having to do the firing. And I always thought that Greg's decision to set the story on Halloween, when everyone is dressed up and excited for an Office Halloween party, made the whole thing even more delightfully uncomfortable to watch.

[Jenna Fischer]

So tragic. Like no one wants to get fired when they're dressed up like a clown or something.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly. But the one problem that this plot presented for Greg was that he would actually have to to fire someone on the show, and he didn't want to fire Any of the core cast members. Even though many of the supporting characters at this time were still under weekly contracts. You guys were not considered series regulars yet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh no, not at all. You know how you say you have a photo the exact moment you knew we'd be best friends? Yes, I have the photo of the exact moment I was made series regular. And you and I are jumping up and down, giddy, holding hands, jumping up and down because I got the news while we were on Booze Cruise. That's when we became series regulars.

[Angela Kinsey]

But this was before Booze Cruise.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So he could have any of us fired. Any of you guys. But he didn't want to. But he also didn't want to hire a new person just for one episode, establish them and fire them because it felt dishonest. Like it felt, he said it felt like cheating. So he had to fire someone we'd already seen on the show. So we had two stand ins at the time. And maybe we should tell people what a stand in is. A stand in is a person who fills in for the actor after the rehearsal of a scene. While the crew adjusts the lights. They walk where the actor would walk or sit or stand where the actor would sit or stand during the scene. And the crew figures out where to put the cameras and the lights. And then when it's time for the camera to roll, the actors are called back to the set and begin shooting the scene. So we had two stand ins. They were Creed and Devin. And both Creed and Devin had also appeared on camera in the background of some conference room scenes or in the annex by the break room. Maybe they would like cross in the deep background of a scene like they were delivering mail. I remember we had that mail cart that really made no sense because we didn't have a mail room, but whatever. But they'd never spoken. They'd been established. So that was enough for Greg. But then Greg, who is the gentlest man, had the dilemma of picking who to fire Creed or Devin.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't imagine how that weighed on Greg because he really is just a kind, kind hearted person and it just must have wrecked him.

[Angela Kinsey]

So Greg spoke with both of them and he found out that Devin had just been cast in an off Broadway play in New York. So this was all Greg needed to hear. He decided Devin would be fired since he had this job go to. He was going to go to. And Creed went from being a non speaking stand in in our show to getting a five page scene with Steve Carell. No audition. Greg had never seen him act Handed him a five page scene with Steve Carell. The scene was so popular with fans and Greg was so delighted. Yeah. That he started writing more stuff for Creed. And then Creed eventually also became a series regular.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it was all because Greg needed someone to fire. So in addition to this being the episode that launched Creed into the office family, it is responsible for a number of firsts. This is the episode that features Jim and Pam's first air high five. Aww.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jam jam air high five.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jam air high five. It is also the first time Pam is seen wearing her hair down, rather than half up, half down, which I call the Pam Mullet. And it was a huge debate about whether or not this hair change could be allowed. It went several rounds with the producers and writers before being approved. Would Pam look too cute if she wore her hair down? They decided to go for it. And then the next time you see a hair change from Pam is Casino Night.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, if we know a lot of details about hair and stuff like that, it's because these were huge discussions. We just always wanted to stay true to the integrity of who these people were and not, as the success of the show grew, like, zhuzh them up too much. They were still in Scranton in a paper company, even though the show was gaining more popularity and we were sort of becoming a little bit like, I don't know, like fancier.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, this was true of wardrobe as well. They only shopped at places that our characters could realistically afford to shop at. So if Pam had to wear a pair of jeans, I wore a pair of jeans from the Gap. I did not wear a pair of $200 designer jeans. Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

And also our wardrobe department was amazing. You know, they made sure, like, your pants weren't too long or things like that, but they did not fit you, like, alter things the way most TV shows do. And after the Office, I worked on a show called you'd Family or Mine. And the women that did the wardrobe also did the wardrobe for Friends. And those women looked amazing on Friends. And I have never looked so kabam, like, ever in my life. They altered it every.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everything.

[Jenna Fischer]

They altered, like, where your shoulder hem is and where, like, the insect, like, everything fit me like a glove. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Most shows tailor clothes to your body.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And that's why everybody looks so fabulous on tv.

[Jenna Fischer]

They said to me, do you know what's the difference between just a normal person walking down the street and someone walking down the street on a TV show? And I said, what? And they said, Alterations.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's 100% true.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because most people, like, figure out how to blow out their hair and put a little bit of makeup on, but having clothes fit you like that. And they were blown away because I was like, oh, my gosh, look how this fits me. Oh, you're gonna take that in. You're gonna sew this. And they're like, angela, have you never

[Angela Kinsey]

had your clothes altered on the Office?

[Jenna Fischer]

I was like, no, no. Because we had to look realistic for that world.

[Angela Kinsey]

Another thing about Halloween is people dress up as our office characters for Halloween on Halloween, which I love so much, which is crazy. Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

When I get tagged as white and Angela, I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You are a Halloween costume. So I also want to say that of all the photos that I get, I think that the most popular, the one I see the most is the Pam Cat Three Hole Punch Gym. Yeah, that's the one I get the most.

[Jenna Fischer]

I get just myself in an argyle sweater with usually the girls have their hair in a headband or slicked back pony and they're all holding a cat stuffed animal.

[Angela Kinsey]

I get a lot where girls are wearing the white cats. Another first. This Halloween episode was the first time since our pilot that the creators of the original British series of the Office, Stephen Merchant and Ricky Gervais, visited our set.

Yes.

They stayed almost an entire day. One day when we were filming, we were all geeking out. Before they left, I asked for a photo with them and some of the American producers of the show. But I am the only person in the photo who who is obviously dressed in a Halloween costume.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you have it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. You can kind of see, like, Jim has like one circle of his three hole punch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

When I look at the photo, I like to imagine that I was doing like a school play about a cat and all these people came to see me and I posed for a picture backstage. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's backstage at your cat play.

[Angela Kinsey]

At my cat play, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's my one story about Ricky Gervais. So they were on set, we were all kind of nervous about it. And I hadn't really been in scenes yet, but after lunch, I had a talking hedge and I come through the lunch area and I see Ricky Gervais and I'm introduced to him. And they're like, ricky's actually going back to Video Village now because he's going to watch everything from lunch on to the end of day.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you were the first thing you started watching.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I was like, great. And they were like, angela, you're first up. And I said, oh, fantastic. And I looked to Ricky Gervais. And he goes, don't worry. I don't tisk too loudly. And that's what he said to me.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's amazing. I know. For all of these reasons, I love this first Halloween episode, but I especially love the end. And I don't know if you remember the end, but at the end, Michael hands out candy to little kids, and I cry every time. I'm getting choked up thinking about it. I remember there was a big debate over how that final moment should be played out. There was a discussion as to whether or not the kids should be nice to to Michael or if they should be annoyed by him because he was going to be cracking jokes while he handed out candy. And the writers and producers also discussed if Steve should be happy or sad while handing out the candy. It was decided that they would start on the spy shot of Michael looking sad and lonely inside of his house alone on Halloween night. He's just fired someone. Then you hear the doorbell, and when he gets to the door and sees the kids, he lights up. He makes his silly jokes, and the kids just laugh and laugh and are delighted by him. And he makes this connection. I'm crying.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it's just beautiful and kind and heartbreaking. And it's moments like this that make the Office so special. We can spend an entire episode laughing at Michael Scott or finding him annoying, but in the end, he will break your heart with his kindness and vulnerability and his desire to have what we all want, which is just to love and be loved.

[Jenna Fischer]

Return. Yes. That is heartbreaking and so sweet and so real, isn't it? It's just like such an honest moment. I think. That's what I think Greg Daniels was so great at in our show is finding these just real life moments that were so honest. And you've got to know firing someone was so hard for Michael because all he wanted to do was be liked. And this dysfunctional office family was truly his family.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was such a great choice to have him go home and you see why he's so needy at work.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You know, he's so lonely.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's just so lonely.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I loved that the kids delighted in him. And there was this thing that Steve did with his face. He just looked, like, lit up inside, you know, when they laughed. You saw that joy come over Michael. Oh, it was so sweet.

[Angela Kinsey]

If we ever get to do a reunion episode, I just need to see Michael Scott with his kid. Yes. And he's the best dad. Best dad.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

His kid just thinks he is everything. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. And him and Holly are just happy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It would make me so happy.

[Angela Kinsey]

And maybe he still annoys people at work, but he's like, the best dad. The best dad. And I think it hit me even harder now that I have kids.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because I just know what kids bring to your life. The episode was written by resident genius Greg Daniels. It was directed by. Do you know Paul Feig. Oh, Paul Feig.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you know, I was gonna guess Ken Kwapus or Paul Feig because they're in the early years. That's a good guess.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And they also. We gave them a lot of the big, like, milestone episodes during his time on the show. I'm gonna give you some fast facts about Paul feet. He directed 14 episodes of the Office, but he also spent an entire season where he was a consulting producer.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was there every day on set.

[Jenna Fischer]

When he left, I was like, no, Paul, don't. I felt so safe with him there.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was a dream. He also, I think, hosted the most cast viewing parties of anyone in his home with his incredible wife, Lori.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And their home was beautiful. Beautiful and just so warm and inviting. I loved it.

[Angela Kinsey]

They put out a little, like, snackity,

[Jenna Fischer]

snack, snack in the kitchen.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then we would all get our stuff and we would go watch the show together. We did. We did that so much.

[Jenna Fischer]

So much.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Paul, so many viewing parties.

[Jenna Fischer]

Paul and Lori are just such great party hosts. Paul is the one of the best dressed people you will ever meet in your life.

[Angela Kinsey]

Full suit with tie.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have never not seen him in a suit. And his Instagram is all of him in suits with cocktails. You have to see it because it's very enjoyable.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's very impressive.

[Jenna Fischer]

Paul, we're about to deep dive on your feed on Instagram. Don't get freaked out. Also, did you talk about what the crew would do on Friday when it was Paul Feig's episode? They would all wear a tie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yes. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It would be Paul Feig day. Suit day. Every Friday, when Paul Feig directed and all the crew members, the camera guys, they would all wear ties.

[Angela Kinsey]

Halloween did not end with our Halloween episodes. In order to edit the episodes in time to air, during the actual week of Halloween, we filmed our Halloween episodes. Like, usually in August, like months before. So every year we got two Halloween celebrations. First was the week that we shot the Halloween episode, but then there was actual Halloween. And during actual Halloween week, our crew would all dress up and we would have a costume parade at lunch. And the crew went all out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

We would shoot a whole day with them all in costumes and us dressed as our characters. One year, I don't know if you remember this, the wardrobe department dressed as the characters from our show. And I have pictures dressed as.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is hilarious.

[Angela Kinsey]

Although this guy was a props guy, he wasn't wardrobe, but wardrobe dressed as us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh my gosh, that's amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. It was pretty great because I think something that people say a lot but was very true for us and maybe it's true for them too. We were like one big family. We were not just the cast, it was the crew.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

We looked out for one another. We enjoyed being together. Our work days were long, but they were not as long as a typical television show. We averaged about 12 hours a day and it usually was something like 6am to 6pm it was rare to go as late as 7:30, but it did happen occasionally, but it never happened on Halloween. We were always wrapped early, always. And I think it's because so many of our crew members had families with young kids and the producers wanted to make sure that everyone was home in time to celebrate with their families.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right. And you know, Greg himself is a very big family man. I think that those things are important. They were important to him. And I think when you're on a show where your showrunner creator has a family, they just go into it thinking about people's families. I always felt that way. I felt like they knew when I went to them, when I had Isabel and I was going to be bringing her to set, I felt like I could go and have a conversation and they would help make it work.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know that it was very important to Steve that he home for dinner with his family every night.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

He would come in first thing in the morning, 5:36am so that he could be finished by 5:30 at night. And then some of the people who didn't have kids would stay later and then work to that 6, 6:30 time frame. Happily, you know, for him. In fact, there were a lot of younger people who preferred. Preferred coming in at 8am and working.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right, right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did not want to come in at five. But once you have kids, you're awake anyway, you know, so you don't want to miss bedtime. You don't want to miss that dinner and bedtime. And it can be made to work if the people who are in charge make it work. And it happened on Halloween also every year. Matt Sohn, who was one of our camera operators and then later he became our director of photography and Even directed some episodes. He would throw a party at his house after work for everyone in their families. And he lived in this great neighborhood for trick or treating. And we'd show up, and he would have these little tables that had crafts for the kids. Oh, he had.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was so cute. They're like, front room of their house had little low tables with little chairs. Yeah, it was like kid paradise over there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Little stickers, projects. You could make a little pumpkin and then food. They'd order pizza. And then we'd just go out and canvas the neighborhood. And even cast members without kids would come. I know BJ Novak used to go over and hand out candy because someone had to man the door, right? Like, if everybody leaves, someone has to be there to hand out the candy. And BJ was like, I'll do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll never forget one of the years we went. Isabel was Tinkerbell, and she was so excited when she rang the door that people gave her candy. She couldn't believe it. She was like, what is happening? But it was really sweet that we all did that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Even though we spent all day working together, we still shared these occasions with one another. It was really sweet.

[Jenna Fischer]

I had this professor in college. I'm gonna get really nerdy for a second. And he was my creative writing professor, and he used to say, you know, what's a pleasure to do is a pleasure to experience. So if you're writing and you love what you're writing, I'm gonna love reading it. And I felt that way about the Office. We so loved what we were doing, that I think it comes through. I think we cared a lot for each other. We were very invested in each other's lives. And I think now the show still resonates because when you watch that, you feel it.

[Angela Kinsey]

We were genuinely connected. Yeah. And we still are. We still are, you and I.

[Jenna Fischer]

This morning, Brian Baumgartner texted me.

[Angela Kinsey]

This morning, Rain Wilson texts me constantly.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know Rain. You know what's great is Rain will

[Angela Kinsey]

text you out of nowhere and just

[Jenna Fischer]

be like, hey, monkey. And I'm like, hey. He'll just text you out of nowhere. I love you.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so true.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like, I feel like if Rain listened to this, he would probably text us and be like, I am not surprised, the two of you. You can just talk about anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yammering on and on and on and on. Because of how we were on the Office, and the Office was my first job, it created an expectation in me that my future job experiences would be similar. I thought that if I Got a job. And I went to the producers and I said, I want this time off to go to my kids open house or I need to be finished early because this is like my dad's 70th birthday or whatever it is that they would be like, oh, yes, of course we can manipulate the schedule to make that time for you, but guess what?

[Jenna Fischer]

As it turns out, yeah, it's not like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not work that way. We had a very special thing on the Office and the way that this hit me the year that I was working on my new show, splitting up together, and it was the first season, and when you do the first season of show, people are especially hyper about everything because every week they might pull the plug. And I had asked them at the beginning of the season, I said, I just need to be finished by five o' clock on Halloween so that I can go trick or treating with my little kids. So Halloween was on a Tuesday that year, the Friday before. The producers came to me and said, jenna, we've run late this week and we had to drop a couple of scenes and the only day that we can rent this crane in order to get this shot that we missed this week is on Halloween. And we're going to need to tack it on to the end of the day. So I'm very sorry. Will still get you out by 7:30, 8 o'. Clock.

[Jenna Fischer]

First of all, you have to understand, Jenna's children are young. They're not. They're not trick or treating at 8 o'.

[Angela Kinsey]

Clock. No, I said, guys, Halloween's over by 8 o'. Clock. It's over. You know, we're sleeping at 8. Yeah, they're in the early window.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, they're. We still a little light out? Yeah, it's still a little daylight out at that age.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then on Sunday morning, you call me up. Now I'm gonna start crying. You called me up and you said, what are you doing tonight at 5 o'?

Clock?

And I said, nothing. And you said, I know what you're doing. You're coming. Dress up your kids. Come over to my house. I've talked to six of my neighbors and they're going to hand out candy to your kids. I'll get my kids dressed up and we're going trick or treating. You will not miss Halloween on my watch. You will not miss it. I started sobbing. Sobbing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now we're both tearing up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now we're both tearing up. And we did just that. I got to dress up my kids in their Halloween costumes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

You dress up your kids in not their Halloween costumes, but in costume. We. Right, because you didn't wanna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our kids have. Still have two huge dress up bins. Cause they love to play dress up. They still do. And I told the kids what was gonna happen. And my kids were like, weston and Harper cannot miss Halloween with their mom. They cannot miss Halloween. I said, I know, guys, so we're gonna make Halloween happen for them. And they were so excited. And their one thing was, well, we don't want to mess up our actual costumes. Because they still had.

[Angela Kinsey]

They wanted to wait for Halloween.

[Jenna Fischer]

They had their parade at school coming up and all that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I said, why don't we all pick out a costume from the dress up bin and we'll all dress up

[Angela Kinsey]

to trick or treat.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they were so excited and they all dressed up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now here's a question that I have for you, which I've always wondered. Did your neighbors have candy or did you go to their houses and give them candy to give me?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. So I live in a very cute neighborhood. White picket fences. It's very cute.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, all your neighbors, you guys do, like, block parties. We do. We do summertime, fourth of July.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, we do some barbecues. Yeah, we do barbecues. And do we have a. Oh, gosh, what's it called?

[Angela Kinsey]

Bocce ball.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bocce ball tournament. And we just always are hanging out. So I knew who I could go to on my street. And they all have children and they all know what this means to go trick or treating with your kids when they're little. I went to them and I said, here's the deal. My best friend is gonna have to work Halloween, and she's not gonna be able to be with her kids on Halloween. And they're little and she won't be able to take them trick or treating. And I'm gonna have him come over here. And it would just mean so much to me. I said, I will bring you candy. And all of them were like, we are so happy to help. You don't even need to bring us candy. We have so much candy. We want to get rid of candy. They were like, just tell us when. And I told them I would text them when we were coming because they were all saying they wanted to make sure they'd be home at that time. And so they all knew we were coming. And I texted them when Jenna and her kids were on the way, and I said, okay, we're on.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we came over and it was the cutest thing. And we trick or treated. And then we came Back to your house and we had s'. Mores.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, we did s' mores in the

[Angela Kinsey]

backyard, and it was amazing. And it is one of the kindest things that anyone has ever done for me in my life. And, you know, there's already so many ways as a working parent that we feel conflicted about missing things. I am always trying to balance my personal ambition with my desire to be a very present parent. And I give up a lot of opportunities, and I know you do, too. There are a lot of jobs that work outside of the city, and we don't even throw our hat in the ring because we don't like to leave. So, anyway, thank you. Yeah, that was amazing. It saved the day.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I was so happy to do it, Jenna. I just love you. And I. I just know what it means. And I know, as a working parent, we all have to make sacrifices that are really hard. I'm a working parent, and I'm also a parent who has a child that has to navigate joint custody. And it hits a real nerve with me because there are some moments that I miss out on because of joint custody, even though my joint custody is exceptionally great. Really. Like, we get along great, we work great well together. I'm on very good terms with her dad and her stepmom, and we really work together to make it all happen. But there are still moments that you miss. For example, some years, you trade off Christmas Day, and that's really hard, even though you're going to see her the next day, to make it fair to both houses. And so what we have stated in our family is it doesn't matter what date it is. It matters that you celebrate together as a family. And that's what I thought. I was like, you know what? That TV show might get to take, quote, unquote, Halloween from you, the date. But they don't get to take the experience away from you.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what, Angela? When I was on set, I said to them, the thing is, I can't make Halloween happen on any other day. It's not like Thanksgiving or Christmas or these other holidays. Even your birthday, where you're like, oh, I'm sorry, I can't come in for. Thanks. I've had many Thanksgivings a week late. The family couldn't be a unit until later, Right? And you make your own Thanksgiving and you make your own holidays. You open gifts three days after Christmas, but it's your Christmas. I said, I can't make a neighborhood handout candy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, you can, Jenna.

[Angela Kinsey]

Angela Kinsey can.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I Was happy that we could do that. I would do it again. I'd go bug all my neighbors.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know you would. I know you would. But created a really special memory for the family.

[Ainsley Bubbico]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was our psf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Air high five.

[Angela Kinsey]

Air high five. Boom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Before we get back to the podcast, we have a message from Ashley the Mosquito about Orkin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hey, besties. Hope all of you are high key. So excited for summer. It's literally giving all of us mosquitoes life. So we thought we'd help everybody make the most of it before Orkin. Pros try to ruin are fun. Remember, if you have standing water on your lawn from the pool or the sprinkler, let it sit there. The more the merrier. And when there's standing water, there'll be plenty more mosquitoes. Next up is a bit of a hot take, but we're so hype on it. Let mosquitoes inside. What could go wrong? Just let us inside, please. Thanks. Love ya. Finally, the number one rule this summer is do not under any circumstances speak to anybody from Orkin. That's literally so cringe and will ruin the vibe of any get together we might be having. Take it from a mosquito. Orkin Pros know literally everything about us, period. Don't visit orken.com for a free estimate today.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, lady. I did it. I did it. And you were right. I now also own a pair of Archie's art support flip flops.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have been wearing them, like, so faithfully for years. I have the flip flops, I have the slides because, you know, I have high arches and my feet hurt until I started wearing these.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, I am now wearing them constantly.

[Angela Kinsey]

They really make a big difference. And, you know, summer's coming. You want to run errands, you want a cute pair of flip flops, you're not going to lose that arch support with Archies, y'.

[Jenna Fischer]

All. I also found out that they were designed by a physical therapist, and the goal was to find something that felt great but still looked good. And they have achieved their goal.

[Angela Kinsey]

You can really feel the difference. So take it from us, you guys are going to love them. Shop Archie's footwear. Here's the thing. It feels like everything is costing more right now. So when we find something that actually works and it feels like it's worth the money, we get really excited.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. That thing is Catalyst Pet. It is a cat litter. Yes, but it lasts a lot longer than I expected. Like, one bag lasts a very long

[Angela Kinsey]

time, which means fewer refills, fewer emergency runs to the store because you're out of cat litter. Fewer moments of also looking at your bank account. Like, what am I spending here?

[Jenna Fischer]

It also absorbs really well. You're not dumping out the whole box constantly. You really do. Just scoop and then add a little sprinkle from time to time.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, my cat loves it.

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And lady, our houses don't smell. That's what we call value.

[Angela Kinsey]

So if you're cutting costs but still want something that actually works, Catalyst Pet is the upgrade you didn't know you needed. Give Catalyst a try. You can pick up a bag at Walmart or at Catalyst Pet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, and what are your thoughts after listening to that again?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, first of all, I want to bring back the birthday hike tradition.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

We did that for a few years and then instead we would, like, meet and have lunch or something. I want to do the birthday hike again.

[Jenna Fischer]

Birthday hike again.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I want you to wear that hat you wore. That was a birthday cake.

[Jenna Fischer]

I found that when I was cleaning out my garage. Garage this time.

[Angela Kinsey]

No way.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, save it. We're going to go for a hike on my birthday and I will wear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I will bring it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Done. And then just listening to us, lady, what was so wild to me was the seeds of so many things. 1. You in your brain just was like, oh, here's a fast fact. Little did you know that you could be locked into those for years. And also, your thoughts are so organized. You know, you had this like multiple printed out document. I remember I had a stack of note cards in front of me that I had jotted a bunch of things down on that I spread out over this coffee table. And I also had all these pictures from Halloween that I spread out in front of us that we could look at. I had my script from Halloween. But, you know, we come at things from these different perspectives and I love that neither of us knew what we were going to share. Exactly. And that's just something I love about our friendship, is just how we hold so much of what matters to us is the same at our core, you

[Jenna Fischer]

know, like our values.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our values, our moral compass, our love for our families. But, you know, you and I can take a walk down the street right now and what you would see and share about and what I would see and share about would be completely different. And yours is always fascinating to me and entertaining and interesting. Like, I love how your brain works. And I just felt like I was reliving all of that. And it's such a fun conversation between two friends about a magical time in our life. And I'm just so thankful that we get to continue talking and sharing all these years later, you know? I mean, this has been a real gift to my life.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, same.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. What about you? What about you hearing us in my garage?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, my first thought was that it's very hilarious to me that you were eating.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sorry.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I felt like I was talking really fast. Really fast. It's funny because it's kind of what you said. I think that the things that make our partnership as podcast hosts work so well. It's evident in that very first recording.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also know why you were talking fast. Why, lady, don't you remember?

[Jenna Fischer]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

So was I in a hurry?

[Angela Kinsey]

No, but it was your birthday, so we went for this hike, and then we came back and I was hungry, so we stopped to get something for me to eat. And then we had pickup that day. But our kids were younger and they got out earlier.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, is that right? So we weren't. We did have a deadline.

[Angela Kinsey]

We had a timeline. We were in a little bit of a hurry, so we weren't rushed, but we also didn't have all afternoon.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Okay. And that's why you have a good memory.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, also, I found emails between us after we had recorded it, and I was like, that was so much fun, you know, And I was like, did you make it? And you were like, yeah, I made it in plenty of time. You know, all that kind of stuff. Oh, wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Your digital clutter is filling out the picture for us once again.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're welcome.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we've come a long way. Seven years, 500 million downloads. And it all started with that one recording in your garage. Just amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

And all of it happened because of you guys listening.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much. And it's also due to a really great team of people currently and throughout the years, and. And we actually thought that for our around the town segment, in honor of this milestone, it would be kind of fun to catch up with our Office Lady's family and see what they have been up to. So let's kick things off with a little message from someone who's been with us from the very beginning, Colin Anderson.

[Colin Anderson]

Hi, ladies, this is Colin Anderson. I was the exec who signed Office Ladies to a Wolf back in the day. One of my favorite things about the Office Lady's launch, which was October 2019, was that our company, the marketing team strategy, a shout out to Bill Irwin, forecast the show to get 400,000 downloads a month. And we hit over a million in the first week. Absolutely crazy numbers. More than double any of the other shows we had on the network at the time. And 200,000 of those listeners told us that Office Ladies was the first podcast they'd ever listened to. I wonder how many new listeners you brought into podcasting since then. So I guess the personal tidbit that Office Ladies listeners might know about me is that I had a kidney stone last year that seemed to go away. I had an ultrasound. They said, no, no kidney stones. You must have passed it. And then a couple of weeks later, I was in a lot of pain, ended up in urgent care and had to have an emergency operation to remove my kidney stone. It was painful, undignified. A lot for a gentleman to go through. And listening to Office Ladies a couple of weeks ago and hearing that Billie Eilish has listened to every episode, I'm like, oh, great. Now Billie Eilish knows about my kidney stone. I set up my own podcast business about a year ago, and Office Ladies were one of my first clients. So since then, I've been helping build the Office Ladies network with Lazy Genius and. And we brought in How We Made youe Mother last year. So please go and listen to both of those shows once you've finished this episode. And the three of us just got talking a few weeks ago about a new Office Lady's idea that I'm hoping listeners get to hear at some point this year. Congratulations, Jenna and Angela, on this brilliant show and the community that you've built. Congrats on 500 million downloads.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everything about that was perfection.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also, like, love people hearing just the joy that is Colin Anderson.

[Angela Kinsey]

I loved all of that. I love that we got the update on his kidney stone journey. And, yeah, Colin was part of the team that signed us to Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And then our very first producer, who we worked with at Earwolf, and then when we moved to Sirius xm, was Cody Fisher. No relation. And here's what she's been up to.

[Cody Fisher]

Hi, Jenna. Hi, Angela. Hi, Office Ladies listeners. It's me, Cody. First, I just want to say, Jenna and Angela, congratulations on 500 million downloads. I'm so impressed. It's so cool. But I'm also not surprised. The show rules. What have I been up to since my time on Office Ladies? Well, I'm still making podcasts. I'm at SiriusXM. I have taken up 5 billion hobbies that I've given up on, but I managed to rewire two antique lamps without burning my house down. Very proud of that. I'm also still worrying about the sound Quality of this voice memo and what Sam will have to do to clean it up. Sam, I'm trying my best. I'm in my closet. I've re recorded this four times because I heard noise in the background. I hope this is good. Bye, everyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw, Cody, thank you so much.

[Sam Kiefer]

That sounded great, Cody.

[Angela Kinsey]

It did.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also think I know who I should hit up with all my extra lamps.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was thinking that immediately.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, this is really good information.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, Cody's cat and my cat look like they're siblings. She has a tuxedo cat who I love.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, and now we're gonna hear from Ainsley. Bubbaco. Everyone get it right. Who I've known pre Office Ladies. She's going to explain a little bit about that and tell you all what she's up to.

[Ainsley Bubbico]

Hello, Office Ladies, it is ainsley. Congratulations on 500 million downloads. I honestly can't even wrap my brain around that number. But I will say it is well deserved. I know how much time and love goes into each episode and how much you care about the fans. So it's only fans. Fitting that you've hit this huge milestone. My time on the Office Ladies team started just as me helping Jenna during the pandemic while she was homeschooling her kids and turned into a five plus year job that brought me wonderful new friends into my life. So I'm very grateful to have been a part of it. I'd actually never seen the Office before I started working on the podcast and it's funny. I see why people love it. What am I doing now? I am currently performing in a musical which Angela and Jenna came to see me in this past weekend. And next week I'm traveling to Paris with some friends and hopefully by the time this airs, I'll be doing something else. Fabulous. Thank you for checking in and cheers to the next 500 million downloads. Lots of love.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like. She was like, it's funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's pretty good.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's pretty good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guys, Ainsley is a phenomenal actress.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's a superstar.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And she can sing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, her voice is amazing. She was terrific in this musical. Really great. It might be going to New York, so we're gonna have to have her. Let us know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, we'll shout it out. Shout it out. And we also reached out to Cassie, you know, huge part of Office Ladies. She is actually traveling internationally right now and Cassie and I have been trading messages and she said, ang, I owe you an email. Apologies for the delay, but she's going to get back to us when she's done with all her travels, and it looks like she's having an amazing time.

[Jenna Fischer]

I am so excited that she's traveling. And we do have a Don't bother me when I'm traveling policy here on Office Ladies. So we like to give people the space to enjoy their vacations. But yeah, Cassie, just if you're listening, thank you so much for being such a big part of these 500 million downloads. We're so happy that you're out there living your best life.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And when you're back, you'll have to share all about your travels and we can't wait to hear from you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We would accept a travel journal.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yes, we would.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then I think before we go, we need to get a little around the town from Matt and Sam. Sam, you want to go first?

[Angela Kinsey]

Sam, day one in the studio with us, 500 million downloads later, I chose

[Sam Kiefer]

to answer this the same way Cody and Colin and Ainsley did, as if we haven't seen each other every day for the last couple years.

[Jenna Fischer]

Great.

[Sam Kiefer]

Jen and Angela, it's so good to hear from you. First, I miss you both so much every day. Second, life is good. Life is small for me right now. I make two to three podcasts a week, which seems wild to me that I used to make 5 to 10 per week for 10 years. So since I've seen you last, Earwolf was acquired by Sirius xm, which was great for the owners of Earwolf, pretty weak for everyone else. I made it about two years before being laid off, which I'll admit was terrifying. But I don't know if you two remember the show I was on before I left the office Ladies. Those two absolute angels swooped in and saved me by rehiring me on the show I was laid off from, which, as far as I know, that's the only instance of that happening that I can think of. I got out of that toxic relationship I was in when we met. I've recently started dating a lovely woman in Canada named Stephanie. It's new to me. I'm taking it slowly, but I do love her very much. My dog, Ramen is still alive. He turns nine this month. He's still very fat and very dumb and very wonderful. I got sober about a year ago. I've been slowly rebuilding my life since then. No complaints, though. Whatever I left behind in my old life has been repaid to me currently 10 times over. As I wrap this up, I just wanted to say how good it is to hear from you both. You both changed my life in many ways, and I'm proud to be a part of this show. Still, I was aware from our very first taping that we had something special. I lost all my emails from the last 10 years when I left SiriusXM, but I'm genuinely pretty sure you both have emails from me around that time telling you guys in that very fact that you guys were onto something very magical here. I tried to do the math, and by my rough estimate, I've made probably three to 4,000 podcasts over the last decade. I made some really magical stuff. I've met some really, truly special people. But it all pales in comparison to what you two have built here. You two have built a community. Every person that has talked to you today has used that phrase, and podcasts end. But communities last forever. And to the people that email me saying they listen to the show while they're running marathons, having babies, getting married, I see you and I hear you, and every email blows my mind. Thank you, truly. I'm always available. Please email me at the next 500 million mark.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw. Can I also say your email reminded me of my journals? Yeah. Yeah, you wrote it as if Jenna and I weren't sitting in the room with you. Yeah. We love you so much.

[Sam Kiefer]

I love you too. I can't believe the reach. 500 million. Congrats. I hope you guys are genuinely so proud of what you built.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you so much. I am really proud of it. I really am. And so many people that we meet now when we're out and about in the world. You know, my favorite thing is when I'll be at an airport and someone goes, lady. And I'm like, hey, lady. Because I know immediately that they're an office lady's listener.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, listen, finally, Matt Beagle, we want to hear from you, our newest member of the office Ladies team. We need everyone to understand how amazing Matt Beegle is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Matt is just the most fantastic, calming presence. No matter what we need, when we need it. He's anticipated our need, and he's taken care of it. Matt, I hope your family knows what a badass you are.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're a treasure, and you will do things that are just so near and dear to my heart, which is like, before every zoom that we have, you will set out an agenda in a Google Doc, but you have links to all the other Google Docs that we might might need to reference. Like, maybe we will, maybe we won't, but it's there. It's all in one document.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here's another thing, Matt Will do. He knew I was taking a road trip with Josh. He knew we had an edit coming up and that I wouldn't be able to access it in a computer, like in a Google Doc. So he texted it to me, hey, Ange, in case you wanna listen on your car ride. I was like, that's amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Matt Beagle]

Well, thank you. Can I stop following Sam too? I'm always following Sam after he's like, read some poetry or a letter or something.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. He has such a rich history here.

[Matt Beagle]

Can I go first next time? I'm kidding. Congratulations. This is just such a special place to be. I feel so lucky to be part of this team and family and history, and I'm just thrilled to be here and I'm super excited for everyone invol for this milestone. So thank you to everyone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thanks, Matt. Yeah, we're so glad you're a part of this team as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

From day one. From day one, we call you Command F. We do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because we were both in a Google Doc and it was really hard to search for things. And Matt just goes, well, do Command

[Jenna Fischer]

F. And we were like, what? What? What's Command F?

[Angela Kinsey]

We had never heard of that.

[Jenna Fischer]

We'd never heard of Command F. So now that we call you our Command F because you help us find everything and figure everything out, and you might

[Angela Kinsey]

have a coffee mug waiting for you here that says commander might.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know that you do. If you know Angela, you know that's been ordered.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you guys, I hope you just feel our love coming through your headphones or your car radio. Car radio. How do you listen to podcasts? However you're listening to our podcast, I hope you just feel the love that we have for you all and what this has meant to us. And it's changed our lives. And we're so, so thankful and we just love you and we hope you have a great week.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And we will be here trying to come up with what is the next fun thing we're gonna chat about.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because we like chatting.

[Angela Kinsey]

We love to chat with you guys. And like Colin said, we do have a fun Office Ladies idea that we can't wait to share about. And now that I'm looking at these balloons, I realize I should have gotten 501 million. Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like this 601. I'll wait for that one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, deal. We'll see you next week. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our senior producer is Matt Beagle and our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Rees Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Repertoire Tree by Creed Bratton.

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Aw.

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