A Look Back at Revisited with Randall Einhorn

Summary

Office Ladies: "A Look Back at Revisited" with Randall Einhorn

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

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Overview

In this dynamic and nostalgia-brimming episode, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey (Pam and Angela from The Office) dive deep into the second half of Season 3 with beloved cinematographer and director Randall Einhorn. The ladies revisit favorite fan mail, notable behind-the-scenes moments, hilarious on-set stories, and answer burning questions about Season 3 episodes, ranging from “Back from Vacation” to “The Job.” With Randall, they explore the creative process behind the show's iconic mockumentary style, on-set camaraderie, technical challenges, and some of the delightful accidents and improvisations that became Office lore. Throughout, the episode is peppered with insightful quotes, memorable anecdotes, and a heartfelt love letter to the collaborative spirit that made The Office so special.

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Special Guest: Randall Einhorn

Cinematographer (64 episodes), Director (15 episodes, The Accountants webisodes)

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Key Topics and Insights

1. How Randall Joined The Office

• Origin Story ([04:44])
  • Randall shares his leap from filming extreme sports and reality TV to becoming the show’s first cinematographer.
    • “I went from outdoor adventure guy to the office guy. Ben convinced Greg that that's the guy.” – Randall Einhorn ([05:27])
  • His first meeting with Greg Daniels was almost missed due to LA’s abundance of Starbucks—Randall was an hour late, but Greg was still patiently waiting ([05:27]).

2. Crafting the Visual Style

• Documentary Verité Philosophy ([08:58])
  • Randall and Greg were deliberate about keeping the camera distanced for intimacy—mirroring documentary filmmaking.
    • “When a conversation is intimate, you back away from it... That makes the viewer think they're privy to something they shouldn't necessarily be.” – Randall ([08:58])
  • Jenna and Angela reflect that this approach helped actors feel the camera “disappeared,” enabling private, genuine performances.
    • “It was very freeing... how private those moments really felt because you guys were further away.” – Jenna ([09:54])

3. Behind the Scenes: Camera Crew Dance

• Teamwork Dynamic ([11:17])
  • Randall describes his working relationship with B-camera operator Matt Sohn, referencing their "verité dance" and explaining how they would react to, and improvise around, actor movement and energy.
    • “Matt and I would have to just frame each other out. And sometimes that means you need to back up and get a little bit longer on the lens.” – Randall ([11:17])
  • Anecdote about Harold Ramis throwing away his shot plans after seeing Randall and Matt’s unrehearsed coverage ([13:42]):
    • “Harold came over. He says I should just get rid of this, right? …and he chucked his plans in Pam's trash bin.” – Randall ([13:42])

4. Capturing Improvisation and Authenticity

• Randall highlights the importance of catching spontaneous moments—both scripted and improvised—for a sense of realism and immediacy ([15:27]).
  • “It made it feel like a living thing and made it feel real and organic in a really meaningful and significant way.” – Randall ([15:27])

5. Technical and On-Set Challenges

• Cramped Spaces & Michael’s Car ([16:38])

  • Randall recounts filming iconic scenes inside Michael’s Sebring (a small coupe):
    • “There’s really no place for your legs to go. So you just tie yourself in a knot and hopefully find some opportunity by that discomfort… I get car sick.” ([16:38])
  • Revelations: Randall frequently felt nauseous while filming car scenes—crew had to help him out after takes ([18:13]).

• The “Pooty Scooty” ([19:16])

  • Dale, from grip, built a rolling box (later padded with a cushion) so Randall could keep the camera at actor level, enabling fluid movement without traditional dollies ([19:16]).
    • “It's like a rolling box... You could spin around. It was sort of like a stool, but better.” – Angela ([19:49])

• The Rare Hands-On Cinematographer ([20:22])

  • Randall insisted on operating the camera himself (uncommon for DPs), to maintain intimacy and real-time response.
    • “There’s a level of intimacy when the operator is part of the scene and also listening to the scene.” ([20:56])

• On-Set Mishaps ([22:14])

  • Randall fell during the “Fire Drill” (and Benihana) but the footage got used—crew would pick him up and filming would seamlessly continue ([22:21], [23:14]).

• On-Set Perks: Randall’s Signature Bubbly Water, Fruit Bruising Ritual ([24:21])

  • Angela and Jenna tease his “fancy man” habits.
    • “Now, if that's not a sign of success, I don't know what is.” – Randall ([24:21])

6. Office Mementos & Legacy

• Randall didn’t take anything from set because he “was always hoping for a season 10” ([25:11]).
• Would have liked his name plaque or the fire toaster oven ([25:31]).

7. Life Post-Office and Collaboration with Greg Daniels

• Randall reflects on Greg Daniels’s encouragement, support, and generosity—giving him his first directing opportunities ([27:21]).
  • “Greg came to me when we were shooting the Office. He says, you're telling jokes with the camera... You should direct some.” – Randall ([27:21])
  • Office cast and creators supported his growth in directing, including work on It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
  • Reciprocated spirit: Office cast, writers, and crew remain close and mutually supportive ([29:04]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Camaraderie:

  • “It was a really special time and to get to relive it. I'll do that any chance I get. So keep calling.” – Randall Einhorn ([27:01])

• On Greg Daniels:

  • “Greg was always very, very, very excited for us to broaden our horizons, and he was so encouraging of us all as artists to meet that next new milestone.” – Jenna Fischer ([28:44])

• Angela’s Admiration:

  • “Randall, your sparkly blue eye is a delight to see, both of them. We normally saw one of them, but both of them are wonderful.” – Angela Kinsey ([26:41])

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Season 3 Revisited: Fan Mail, Catch-Ups & Factoids

Spam Fast Facts & Fan Mail ([33:04 – 36:07])

• Spam’s popularity in Hawaii and Minnesota (Spam museum, Spam Jam festival, and the scent of bacon wafting through “Spamtown USA”)
• Acknowledgment to fans Laura and Amanda for Spam-themed mail and swag.

“Palm Tree Spotter” and California Filming Goofs ([38:12])

• Multiple listeners noting visible palm trees in “Scranton”—prompting a running joke.

Trivia, Deleted Scenes & More

• The Return:

  • Revisit of Ryan’s “Mexican Lemonade” joke ([41:03 – 42:11])
  • Phyllis’s hilarious “big personality” talking head ([42:54])

• Little House on the Prairie connections and guest cameos ([44:01])

• Jim and Pam’s Prank Math: Listeners offer alternate theories on Jim handing off Andy’s cell phone ([45:31]).

• Women’s Appreciation:

  • The hotline number prop now routes to a sex hotline—cue hilarious live call by the hosts ([71:19 – 72:08]).
  • Discussion of the subtleties in Pam and Karen’s differing relationship advice to Michael ([73:32]).

Mailbag Faves

• The origins and practicality of pockets (and corsets!) ([62:31])
• Cross-connections to Keanu Reeves (David Denman in The Replacements and Beth Grant from Speed appearing on The Office) ([68:10])
• Mall episode: Angela’s sartorial confession about pantyhose ([75:22])

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Listener Interaction Highlights

• Fan submissions:

  • Laundry & Betrayal: Demand for a spin-off! ([39:57])
  • Factory/festival tour wishlist: Spam Museum, SASS shoe factory, Hers chips, yacht factory ([36:26])

• Fun Facts:

  • Walking on Legos is a competitive sport—Guinness World Record lore ([79:00])
  • Estonian given name "Mart" is common; two Prime Ministers have been named Mart ([69:56])

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• Randall's Interview Begins: [04:44]
• Harold Ramis anecdote: [13:42]
• Car scene, Michael’s Sebring: [16:38]
• Pooty Scooty discussion: [19:16]
• Randall’s “bubble water” ritual: [24:21]
• Greg Daniels mentoring Randall: [27:21]
• Spam fast facts and fan packages: [34:26]
• Palm Tree Spotter: [38:12]
• Jim, Pam, and Andy's phone prank fan theories: [45:13]
• Women’s Appreciation, hotline number turns to sex line: [71:19]

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Memorable and Touching Moments

• Randall’s humility and gratitude for the Office experience.
• The appreciation for Greg Daniels’ creative generosity—giving cast and crew room to grow.
• Office trivia and fan affection freshen even the most rewatched episodes.

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Conclusion

This episode is a masterclass in behind-the-scenes TV storytelling, full of warmth, humor, and a sense of family among The Office cast and crew. Randall Einhorn’s behind-the-camera perspective enriches the fan experience, while Jenna and Angela’s rapport and detailed fan engagement embody the enduring spirit of Dunder Mifflin. Whether you’re an Office devotee or new to the show, this episode affirms why Scranton—and the team who brought it to life—continues to resonate.

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Next week: Back to the regular episode schedule. Submit your questions at officeladies.com or via Instagram for a chance to be featured.

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“We all made it special. But Greg [Daniels] was absolutely... setting a very, very fine example by his inclusive attitude. Anybody's idea was worth it for Greg. He's a good guy.”
— Randall Einhorn ([29:46])

Transcript

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We have a great day Today we have another revisited Deep Dive episode of Office Ladies.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Today we are going to go back over the second half of season three. We're going to get to your questions, your comments about all the things we missed. We're doing everything from back from vacation to the job.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, we are. And I want you to know I'm holding what looks like a small phone book in my hand because we went through so many questions and comments, and Jen and I both jotted ton down, and we're excited to talk to you guys today.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, it's like 1920 pages. I think. It is. It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

But first, we have some exciting news. We are going to start this off with a Deep dive with our awesome cinematographer and director, Randall Einhorn. Randall was the cinematographer for 64 episodes, and he directed the Accountants webisodes as well as 15 episodes of the Office. This man knows this show inside and out. We are so excited to talk to him, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Randall was one of our original visionaries for the show. He really helped shape the world, the mockumentary style. He has also been amazing. I've been reaching out to him. You've been reaching out to him. Angela, you might remember, he gave us all of the amazing details about Michael's car going into the lake. So we are really excited to get this Deep Dive interview with him for the podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

So, you guys, when we all got on the Zoom with Randall, we were so excited to see each other. It was the first time the three of us. I mean, Jenna, I don't even know the last time the three of us were together. So we got super excited. We did all of our hellos and forgot to hit record.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sam was like, guys, are you recording? And I was like, oh, crap.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So when you hear this interview, we're gonna jump right in because we talked

[Angela Kinsey]

for 20 minutes without hitting record.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, every week you're like, ang, should you hit record every week?

[Jenna Fischer]

Sam, can you play that interview? Randall, we always start by asking people basically the same question, which is, how did you come to be on the Office?

[Randall Einhorn]

I was doing a reality TV show, kind of an extreme sports thing where I had to ski with Shaun White and some other legendary skier. And I had to keep up with these guys skiing and film these extreme skiers in Jackson Hole. It was kind of an extreme sports thing for Ben Silverman. And Ben at that time, apparently decided, that's the guy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, when he. When he decided this, were you flying down a mountain holding a camera Yeah, I would say that's the guy too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, but I would say that's the guy for anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, but I.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is a curious jump to go from guy filming on skis to filming a quiet contained office cubicle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Randall Einhorn]

I went from outdoor adventure guy to the office guy. Ben convinced Greg that that's the guy. I remember Greg and I met at a Starbucks and Greg said, just meet me at the Starbucks on Santa Monica. I was new to Los Angeles and I went to one of the 50 Starbucks in Los Angeles and I finally got in touch with Greg and I showed up like an hour late. And Greg is still sitting there just waiting for me. And we had a fantastic meeting and it was wonderful. And that's where Greg and I really hit it off.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you bring Matt Sohn into the picture? He was the B camera operator.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Had you worked together before?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You guys knew each other, right?

[Randall Einhorn]

Matt and I knew each other from the outdoor adventure world and also from Survivor and Eco challenge, and we filmed scenes together. And when you're filming a scene together in kind of this verite style, you know, documentary style, you really ascertain really quickly who's looking out for you and who's doing the complement of what you're doing. And that verite dance Matt and I did really, really well. I remember just a couple times that we shot together and he's like, oh, he gets what I'm doing and I get what he's doing and we can look at each other out of the, you know, out of the eye that's not behind the camera and communicate. And I just felt Matt was the best person for me to do that dance with.

[Jenna Fischer]

Randall, were you so bored to be inside of this cubicle warehouse office space with these fluorescent lights after all you guys had shot?

[Randall Einhorn]

No, I mean, we had shot. We had always shot things that we just reacted to. That's what cinema verite is. You're just reacting. You're just gleaning what's happening around you. And it was really cool to kind of reverse engineer that and actually have to make it look like you were just getting it. I never really worked in narrative stuff before, always done reality and documentaries. And it was really cool to make scripted stuff look like a documentary because it took another layer of finesse. Normally you're just sitting there and you're filming what happens and you're just sitting there on a trip. Had we been sitting there on dollies or on a tripod and I'm just know what everybody's going to say. And I'm just doing pans. Yeah. I would have been born. But to be able to react and, you know, and play a character.

[Jenna Fischer]

You were.

[Angela Kinsey]

You were a character. You were.

[Sam Kiefer]

Thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You know what, though? I did always think of you guys. I mean, Jenna and I have talked about this because we knew, like, some of the adventures you and Matt had had, you had shared with us on set. We always sort of chuckled when we would have a situation like a lit candle on stage. And Kelly Cantley, our ad would be like, safety meeting. We're gonna light a candle. And, like, Jenna and I, knowing that you had a camera strapped to you, like, going down, like some, like, boat in a river in Borneo, like, Randall's like, okay, lit candle. Got it.

[Sam Kiefer]

Yeah.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah. The safety meetings over a candle are quite. They're really something. It still gets me to this day. But I think it's sold out in the. Under the name of safety, because safety never takes a holiday, so.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, Randall, what were some of the early conversations you had with Greg about the look of the show? Are preserving the documentary style? Did you guys have sort of a game plan how you were gonna shoot and what it was gonna look like?

[Randall Einhorn]

Very much so. I saw the original Office, you know, the British version. And when Greg and I met, I pitched him this idea. I said, it's kind of like a tofu hot dog. So it's like good food that's wrapped like bad food. And it's kind of. You're putting this fake veneer on it so that people kind of lean in. And the one thing that we always did on shows like Survivor, in all reality that I ever did in documentaries, is when a conversation is intimate, you back away from it. You don't go to it like normal tv. You back away, and you back away, and you back away because that makes the viewer think that they're privy to something that they shouldn't necessarily be privy to. So they feel in on the joke, they feel in on the moment, and I think it adds a level of intimacy that is really nice as an

[Jenna Fischer]

actor, Randall, I loved how you would back that camera off for those intimate moments. Because one of the hard things as an actor is blocking out the camera that is inches away from you. And it was very freeing. It was one of my favorite experiences, really, is how private those moments really felt because you guys were further away.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Yes. I've been on shows now since the Office. I did this scene, and the camera was so close that when the other actor paused and talking, I could just

[Jenna Fischer]

hear

[Angela Kinsey]

because the camera was that close. And you're trying to, like, say, okay, I'm not hearing that mechanical noise. I'm in the moment with this other person.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah. I think there's something always to be said for just giving this set to actors. It's something I, as a director now, I always try to back away and just let it be. It shouldn't be my environment. It should be the actor's environment. That's something I absolutely learned on the Office from some of the great directors.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, as an actor, I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, me too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Randall, can you tell us a little bit about how you would prep a scene with a director when you were in the role of cinematographer? Like a standard scene in the bullpen and you're having to cover a bunch of reactions. How would you prep that for the Office?

[Randall Einhorn]

We would basically just tend to rehearse a scene and the actors would do what the actors would do. And Matt and I would just stand there like this, and this is our camera. And Matt and I would be looking at each other like, okay, I got this. I got Jenna. Great. You've got Jim. Great. I'm going to do a swing to Jim after Jenna's line. So I'm going to connect them like that. And Matt would duck, and I would get that, and then I'd come back up and we would just kind of both stand there. And if you look at shows like Survivor, let's say, where you have two people talking and you have what we call dirty overs, you don't have the person necessarily clean. You try to connect them. And that was something that we always tried to do, is to show that human connection by placing both characters in both of our frames. So Matt and I would have to just frame each other out. And sometimes that means you need to back up and get a little bit longer on the lens. So you see. You don't see Matt's shoulder or Matt's knee or whatever. So, yeah, we would just sit there and we would react to it. And Matt and I would just do this dance where we would figure out what our coverage was. And I remember Harold Ramis directing. And it was. The coolest moment is Harold came in. I mean, he prepped, like, an extra week because he was so excited about doing the show, which I just. Everybody. I remember Steve was giddy. We were in this. In Steve's office and doing a scene. He was like, that's Harold Ramis right there. Harold Ramis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Randall Einhorn]

But I remember Harold really, really prepped. And he had all those plans like I had just meticulously drawn out. And I remember we rehearsed the first scene, and Matt and I just kind of stood there and did this and that and talked it through. And I looked at him and he looked at me. And we figured out who was going to get what. And Harold came over. He says I should just get rid of this, right? I'm like, no, Harold, it's really. It's such an honor to be working with you. And yeah, yeah, don't shit me, kid. I should get rid of this plan, right? This is. What you did was way better. I'm like, well, that's a great roadmap Herald. And then, you know, we did one more scene, and I remember watching him, looking at him, and he caught my attention. He just chucked his plans in Pam's trash bin. I remember exactly where we were. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Harold Ramis threw his shot plans into Pam's trash bin because he thought, you nailed it. That's great, Randall. That would, for me, I'd be like, someone go get those out of the trash. I'm saving those.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I have to say, I was really curious what your answer was going to be to that question, because my memory is that for the most part, it was you and Matt figuring out the shots during our rehearsal. And the directors were more focused on just actor performance, giving us notes, making sure we landed the jokes, making sure that the writers got their alternate jokes in. And really there was this huge trust that you guys knew how to shoot the show. The directors didn't, for the most part, like, micromanage you in any way.

[Randall Einhorn]

I don't recall anybody ever telling me, get to him on this line or miss this line. It was always. And you know, when I went. And it's something I still do when I'm talking to cameras, I talk to a camera operator like I'm talking to an actor. I will say, you think this, but you also suspect that she might do that. And that kind of gives the camera a little bit of a point of view, which for the Office is paramount for other shows, I think is also interesting because you're trusting the intuition of the camera operator and you're giving them the basis to add some finesse to a scene, which I think is always really interesting.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's beautiful.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love that. Well, you know, Randall, one of the things you guys were also so great at was catching these moments that weren't scripted.

[Randall Einhorn]

I think that the way we filmed it added a level of authenticity, as did the Improvisational moments. And whether we used improvisational moments or not, it still put everybody in that space of this is happening. This is a real thing. There's an immediacy to this. It's not a rehearsed thing. It's something that is happening in front of us and around us and. And for you all to be part of that was awesome. It was amazing to see characters never drop character. They just kept. Kevin kept being Kevin, and Angela kept being Angela. And adding those moments in to me made it feel like a living thing and made it feel real and organic in a really meaningful and significant way that affected the overall outcome.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is so poetic. That is the best answer I have ever heard about improv on a set.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Randall, I know that we kept you in that office under the fluorescent light most of the time, but occasionally we did cram you into the backseat of a car or we put you on a boat. What was it like? What were those shoot days for you? Like?

[Randall Einhorn]

I've shot in a lot of awkward places. Einstein said, in the midst of difficulty lies opportunity. And the harder it got, the better it got. Like, I just rewatched that scene in the car where we're driving to the lake. And the whole time I was just reacting to it. And I remember in the midst of everything happening, as difficult as it was with the water coming in and me cramped in the back seat when the GPS spoke, I panned to the GPS because it was a character in the scene. So those opportunities, I think, add another element in a really, really interesting way. But like Michael's Sebring, which he was so proud of, it was a coupe, it was a two door. So the back seat, although it's a four seater car or a five seater car, it wasn't a two seater plus a cameraman very comfortably. Because I remember the camera came up higher than the back window because it was such a cool car, Michael. That the back window had such a slope to it that my camera would always hit the back of the window. And there was a hump there where the transmission went through. And there's really kind of no place for your legs to go. So you just kind of tie yourself in a knot and hopefully find some opportunity by that discomfort. You know, I get car sick. I get really car sick. Yeah. Every time I got out of my car.

[Jenna Fischer]

How in the world do you do your job?

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. You get really car sick.

[Angela Kinsey]

Go on, Randall. I had no idea because when we. So many times when we filmed in cars, we just looped. We Did a circle, and I would get nauseous just doing the circle.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let alone only with one eye.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah. No, I get really carsick. And I remember every time Chris and Ed were helping me get the heavy camera out and helping me come out, they're like, how you doing? You all right? You okay? I'm like, yeah, real good. And I would last a couple hours, but

[Angela Kinsey]

we had so many driving scenes. Randall, I never knew this.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah. I was getting a little green at times back there. I was just kind of sweating a lot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, thank you. Because it really did produce some amazing, amazing things.

[Randall Einhorn]

That was fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know we're sort of talking about, like, difficult camera positions and stuff, but, Randall, you have to share with everybody. You introduced us to the Pootie Scuti.

[Randall Einhorn]

The Pooty Scooty.

[Angela Kinsey]

But did you invent that? Was that something Dale made for you?

[Randall Einhorn]

Dale made it for us. We were like, I would love to be able to scoot around the office at actor level and move, you know, not like on a dolly. And we just wanted to be quick and nimble and also so that I can react to it as opposed to communicating to a grip that I need to move back a foot because I'm going to pan to the left. We never would have gotten there. So Dale built those, and it was great. That thing worked really, really well. It was so fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was like a rolling box. And then they eventually got you a little cushion on top of it.

[Randall Einhorn]

Those were the days.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, those were the days. And you could spin around. It was like kind of like a stool, but a little better than a stool for you, because I think it was, like, square. Yeah. Did you take the Pooty Scooty with you when you left the office?

[Randall Einhorn]

I didn't. I didn't.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did it.

[Randall Einhorn]

No, no. And since. And since then, I've had other Pootie Scooties built for me, and they just weren't the same. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like something I want to tell our audience is how incredibly rare it is for a cinematographer to also operate the camera. And it sounds like, Randall, you fought so hard to always keep that camera in your hands. You did not want to put it on sticks. You did not want to put it on a dolly. You were the operator. And in other projects I've done, it really is usually a cinematographer directing a camera operator. And they don't put their hands on the camera so much. It was like this really cool thing.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah. I think there's always an element of disconnect. Because on traditional shows there's like eight to 10 people just, you know, who are looking after two cameras. And on our show, our camera department was four. It was me and Matt and Chris and Ed. And Matt and I pulled our own focus and we pulled our own iris. I would set the look for the cameras, I would program the cameras what we wanted them to look like and how we wanted them to match. And then the rest of the stuff was just worked out in post. But Matt and I thought it was really important to pull our own focus and pull our own iris. I also think there's again, a level of intimacy when the operator is part of the scene and is also listening to the scene. And that's something that doesn't happen on a lot of shows, is quite often a lot of shows the DP doesn't listen to the words. And I wonder how do you know what to do? Because coming up in documentaries, I didn't know what to shoot until my sound men put the boom up and said, this is a relevant conversation. You should be shooting this, idiot. Don't shoot that. So I still, when I operate, I wear an earpiece so I'm hearing what's going on so that I can finesse what I'm doing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now, Randall, sometimes on our set things got a little physical. Who ran into you? Who did you collide with the most?

[Randall Einhorn]

You know, I think I sent myself to the floor in the fire one. I remember that I was backing up through, through the kitchen and I fell and I think I hit the ground, but I'm not real sure. But I'm a 200 pound human being and the camera is 38 pounds. And I remember Chris Workman, who's a very strong person. I think he picked me up with one hand and I just kept rolling. He just picked me up with one hand. I'm like, oh, did I fall? And I just kept going with the scene because I'm like, I think I fell.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Randall, that's the footage that stayed in. Yes, we used the take of you falling and getting back up. It was incredible. I remember being there and seeing it out of the corner of my eye and thinking, should we, Are we still going because Randall is on the floor. Oh, no, Randall's up. Randall's up. All right, we're going to continue.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yep. That was Chris Workman just lifting me up like a little rag doll. And I'm about letting me go. I was just back on my feet. Anyway, one thing I remember is in Benihana, I fell on the pooty scooty. I remember the last thing I saw was Steve just going, no. And it was always that. It was always Steve like, no. I.

[Jenna Fischer]

I want to ask this question. In addition to saving your life in that scene, Chris Workman also used to bring you this drink on set. And Angela and I need to know more about it. It looked like it was like fruit and water. What was this drink? Was this your special camera operator fuel?

[Randall Einhorn]

You see, that's the difference between being out in the hot sun in Thailand and shooting people on a beach and being in the office. I would not get the same type of beverages out there. You know, that was one of the perks. One of the perks. I mean, season three, I would have them. I liked bubbly water.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I was gonna say, I remember it was fizzy.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah, I sound like such a fancy man. I like bubbly water. And I would have Chris bruise the fruit and put it in my water for me. And so I would have real fruit flavored bubbly water. Now, if that' and that's not a sign of success, I don't know what is.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Chris made me one, one time because I was like, chris, break. Where do you keep bringing Randall? I want one. And then he just sort of slyly slid, like, slid one on my desk. I was like, it was so refreshing. I stand by it, Randall. I think it's a great move. And, you know, you're not, you're not too fancy on your pooty scooty with your bubbly water.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Randall, we do ask our guests this. Did you take anything from the set when the show wrapped, when you were done? We all took a little something. Did you take something?

[Randall Einhorn]

I didn't, I didn't take anything.

[Jenna Fischer]

What? Randall?

[Randall Einhorn]

I was always hoping for a season 10, so I just did. Wanted to preserve that and make sure that I didn't screw it up. And if I took a pencil holder that we, you know, we wouldn't come back. I didn't. I didn't take anything. I swear.

[Jenna Fischer]

In hindsight. Now, if you could have taken something, what would you have taken?

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah, I suppose my plaque with my name on it. I think that was pretty cool. I don't know what I would take. Toaster oven from the fire.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, There you go.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nice. Well, we should share with our listeners and I think, you know, a lot of Office Ladies fans will know this, that Randall, you went on and now are a prolific director and you're directing all kinds of amazing shows. And I got to work with you post Office on Wilfred. That was really fun.

[Randall Einhorn]

Just a weird little show.

[Angela Kinsey]

Weird little show, but such a fun group of people. I was just there one day, but I loved the vibe on that set. But you are just out there crushing it as the kids say. Randall, do you have any upcoming projects or anything we can share with everyone to check out?

[Randall Einhorn]

I don't direct as much as I used to. I have an overall development deal, so I'm developing for abc.

[Angela Kinsey]

Development is very cool. I love development. So we will be looking for your projects coming out and I can't wait. Randall, your sparkly blue eye is a delight to see both of them. We normally saw one of them, but both of them are wonderful to see.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Randall, thank you so much for taking this time to deep dive with us. I've been so looking forward to this and thank you too for letting us email you and for when you've hopped on the phone with me to tell me tidbits behind the scenes. You've helped made this podcast even better. So thank you.

[Randall Einhorn]

Thank you. It's been. It was a really special time and to get to relive it. I'll do that any chance I get. So keep calling.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was about to say, Jenna, we're not done calling him. It's nice that you're thanking him, but we have a lot more to ask you over these next. I don't know how many episodes. Two more years.

[Randall Einhorn]

There's one thing I'd love to say.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Randall Einhorn]

I remember when I first started getting into directing. Greg Daniels is absolutely how I got in directing. Greg came to me when we were shooting the Office. He says, you're telling jokes with the camera. I said, thank you. Yes, I am. I'm trying to. He says, you should direct some. Like that sounds cool. Yeah, I'd love to. And Greg gave me the opportunity to start directing. And I remember that the cast was. Everybody was so supportive. Everybody wanted to see me succeed. And that meant a lot. That meant a lot to feel so supported and have everybody ensuring that I succeeded and were in collaborating with me. And that was very, very special. And then I remember when I wanted to start to do more directing elsewhere. And I think the first thing I did was it's always Sunny in Philadelphia. And I remember, wow, I'm going to ask Greg if I can go direct another show. And I remember Greg's response was, absolutely, yeah, that's fantastic. You should totally go do that. You should definitely go directly some other shows. And when you come back, we'll be here. We'll be Here, we'll open arms. Just go direct other shows and come back to us when you can. And who does that? Nobody does that in Hollywood. Nobody does that in Hollywood. How's Greg?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Greg was always very, very, very excited for us to broaden our horizons, and he was so encouraging of us all as artists to meet that next new milestone. And you're right. Like, you don't. You don't find that a lot.

[Randall Einhorn]

You don't.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's also so generous. And, you know, even still, when Jenna and I were going to do this podcast, you know, we were like, gosh, you know, we're not the experts on the Office. We're not. We're just two gals who became best friends doing this fantastic, amazing show. And he was like, I love it. He was so supportive.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. He was like, ask me any questions. You want me to send you pictures? I've got pictures from the pilot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were like, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's so caring and supportive of our office family. Whatever it is we're doing, he's going to watch it. He'll tell you his thoughts on it. He'll answer questions for you. And it is special. It is really special.

[Randall Einhorn]

We all made it special. But Greg was absolutely. He was setting a very, very fine example by his inclusive attitude. Anybody's idea was worth it for Greg. He's a good guy.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're a good guy, buddy. You are.

[Jenna Fischer]

And, Randall, we definitely will have you back. We want you to come break down one of the episodes that you directed.

[Randall Einhorn]

I'd love to. That sounds fun.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, good.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, Randall, take care.

[Randall Einhorn]

Nice to hang out with you all.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you.

[Randall Einhorn]

All right, bye. Bye.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Oh my gosh, Angela, so great getting to see Randall over Zoom. And guys, we'll post a picture of that on Office Ladies Pod so you can see the blue eyes we spoke so much about.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, and just like the cool vibe Randall always has. Oh yeah, Randall, thank you. That was fantastic.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, lady, let's get started. Breaking down the second half of season three, starting with Back from Vacation. We've got some spam news.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, we do.

[Jenna Fischer]

You guys might remember that spam featured very heavily in this episode. Michael throws a party in the warehouse and he tells the party planning committee he wants a pig, but all they can find is spam. And we had a lot of questions about spam as we were breaking down this episode, and thankfully we got a lot of mail.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes?

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you know that spam is a popular food in Hawaii? According to Kristen Ordodi and Viola Lee,

[Angela Kinsey]

I did know that, but yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ladies, Andrea Richardson wrote in to say that spam was introduced to Hawaii, Guam, and the other Pacific islands during World War II because soldiers received it to eat in place of fresh meat, and it has been a staple of the Hawaiian diet ever since. She said that at one point there was even a widespread hoarding of spam and toilet paper for fear that shipments would stop when the war ended.

[Sam Kiefer]

Huh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Toilet paper hoarding. That sounds familiar.

[Angela Kinsey]

Trigger warning.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And this is maybe the Biggest news. Angela, Peggy S. And Emily Childs said there is a Spam museum in Austin, Hastings, Minnesota.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know that. You want to know how I know

[Jenna Fischer]

you know there's a Spam museum in Minnesota? Yes. How do you know?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. This is awesome. Listen to this. We got the loveliest letter from two sisters who are from Austin, Minnesota. I want to give a shout out to Laura and Amanda instead, who said that Austin is the birthplace of Spam, and in fact, the town is nicknamed Spamtown, usa. They wrote this and I quote. In the spirit of the podcast, let's start with a couple of fast facts. How cute are these girls? I love it. They're going to give us some fast facts. I'm going to read them off.

[Sam Kiefer]

Ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Fast fact number on the days when Spam is being processed, everyone in town wakes up to the smell of bacon wafting over from the factory.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Michael would love that. Michael would have never burnt his foot on a George Foreman grill if he just lived in Austin, Minnesota.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know Michael should have moved there instead of Colorado. Apart from the lingering scent of bacon, Spam plays a role in our lives in other ways, like our yearly Spam Jam Festival and the creative ways local restaurants incorporate Spam into their menus.

[Jenna Fischer]

I am going to a Spam Jam festival.

[Angela Kinsey]

You are going. We are going. We are adding the Spam Museum to our list.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, but we have to go to the festival.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, yeah, we gotta go for Spam Jam and then go tour the museum.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Fast fact number three. 90% of spam in 1941 went to the war effort. Our dad always tells anyone who will listen that quote, we wouldn't have made it through the war without Spam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Those are amazing Spam fast facts. Laura, Amanda, thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Applause, applause, applause. And I want you guys to know, Laura and Amanda sent me Spam socks. Okay. They have, like, a little Spam. I love them. I've already worn them. They sent you a Spam hat, so I got to bring it over to you. And they sent us a photo at the Spam Museum. We're going to put it in Office ladies pod instastories.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, here's our list. Are you ready?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sass Shoe factory tour.

[Angela Kinsey]

Got it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hers Chip factory tour. That Watermark paper factory in Italy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Spam museum.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, and yacht factory.

[Jenna Fischer]

And should we go fishing with a Bassmaster?

[Angela Kinsey]

100%. Get me a Zara puppy on the line. Let's do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't even know what that is. I just Remember that guy I dated in college had a Zera puppy or something when he went fishing?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think, what's a 0 puppy?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I think it was a hook that looked like a little fish that flopped around.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's what I hear when you say that. I hear zero puppy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Zero puppy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Give me a zero puppy.

[Sam Kiefer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have no idea.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I don't know who's in charge of these kinds of things, but somewhere out there, someone would want to like finance our factory tour.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nat Geo.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nat Geo.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nat Geo. Call us, Jenna. We could do a whole factories around the world with Jenna and Angela.

[Jenna Fischer]

Call us. We're in.

[Angela Kinsey]

We do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Somebody must know someone there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Tell them I would watch that show.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, lady, I think now you have some background catches for this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. I'm going to hit you up with them. All right, Christine bird said, At 12 minutes, 11 seconds, is Michael sitting in his office holding a bottle of chocolate sauce? Yes. Great catch. I went back to this episode. I went right to that timecode. It looks like a bottle of Hershey's chocolate sauce. Like he's got it turned around so you don't see the label. He's holding that in one hand. But then if you look there is the cap of it on his desk. Was he gonna take a big swig out of it? But then Dwight interrupted him like, oh, that's good. I screen grabbed it. I'll put it in Stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Rebecca Lee has a palm tree sighting at 5 minutes, 4 seconds when the group is all out in the parking lot and Samantha Tucker saw a palm tree at 7 minutes 21 seconds. Melissa C. Wrote in to say that she is obsessed with looking for palm trees. Now because you guys remember we did not shoot this show in Scranton. We shot it in Southern California. Yeah. And we tried to remove all our palm trees using CGI in post, but we did not always get them. So Melissa C. Would like to propose a new element to our rewatch called palm tree Spotter.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Melissa, I like it. I want to give a shout out to the photographer. They shared some great details with us about the steel drum that Michael is playing when he sings Feeling hot, hot, hot. They said it's actually called a steel pan and is the national instrument of Trinidad and Tobago. Steel pan musicians are called panists and it's widely regarded as the only major musical instrument to be invented in the 20th century.

[Randall Einhorn]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Good fast back there.

[Jenna Fischer]

I like that. All right, well, moving on to traveling salesmen. Lady, we got a lot of Mail about Laundry and Betrayal.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, we did.

[Jenna Fischer]

We went on quite a tangent in this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Shawna Z Said, I have never laughed so hard at a podcast as I did last night driving home when you guys were talking about funeral poses. I spit tea all over my steering wheel and windshield. F you, Larry. I'm so sorry we made you spit out your tea, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. And Angela C. Said, please make Laundry and Betrayal into something real.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, it would be kind of fun if we wrote a, like, limited Laundry and Betrayal series and did it as a podcast.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

We could get all of our friends to, like, hop on and play roles. It'd be so great. Well, for those of you who haven't heard what we're talking about, the whole Larry and Marjorie bit, you can go to this episode, Traveling Salesman. Go to 1 hour, 2 minutes and 20 seconds, and you will hear the whole thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, let's move on to the return, which featured an interview with Ed Helm. So wonderful.

[Angela Kinsey]

So wonderful.

[Jenna Fischer]

A lot of people were curious why we didn't ask Ed how he came to be on the office when we did our interview with him. Because we usually lead with that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that is because we covered Ed's origin story in the merger. So if any of you missed that and you're wondering, I had interviewed Ed off air for the merger. And, Angela, you talked with Rasheeda, because those were the episodes where their characters first appeared. And I told his audition story in that episode, the Merger, so you can go back and check it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here's a fan favorite moment we failed to mention. Several people wrote in about the scene with Ryan and the lemonade. Brianna said, if you ladies Revisited Season 3, I wanted to say the moment in the episode at 16 minutes, 57 seconds, where Ryan draws a tilde and an accent on the lemonade and then his face after was probably my favorite joke of the whole show. Do you remember this, Jenna? Okay, so in the Return, Oscar is back from his paid vacation that he was given because of Michael's offensive behavior. And Michael is going overboard with Oscar being back. He really wants him to feel welcome. So he decides, of course, we have to throw him a party. Michael says he wants it to be, and I'm quoting, a celebration of Oscar, an Oscar night, that he wants it to be Oscar specific and that he wants to celebrate Oscar's mexicanity. So at 16 minutes, 56 seconds, you see the party planning committee, they're trying to decorate the conference room using Michael's ridiculous instructions. They don't know what to do. Ryan is using a Sharpie, and he puts a tilde over the N and an accent over the E on the big, like, you know, bottle of lemonade. The soda bottle.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he looks to camera, and he's like, I don't know. And he sets it down next to a sign that says Mexican lemonade.

[Jenna Fischer]

I had completely forgotten about that moment. So, Briana, thank you for bringing it up to the top. A lot of people also wrote in to say that they wish had discussed this Phyllis talking head from this episode. Yes. Which I love, and I'm bummed we didn't. This is the episode where Phyllis famously says, dwight has a big personality and I have a big personality. And sometimes when two people like that get together, it can be explosive. So good. Our writers were so good at writing our characters.

[Angela Kinsey]

So good. But I'm telling you, I actually texted Phyllis yesterday and just told her. Everything that comes out of her mouth is just gold. She is my favorite in this rewatch so far. She's who I gravitate towards. I just love her.

[Jenna Fischer]

We recently watched Inside out as a family.

[Sam Kiefer]

Aww.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Phyllis is the little sad character in the girl's brain. She is so good in that, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's the heart of that. Yeah, she made me cry in that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's like a family favorite of ours.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, in this episode, Dwight goes to work at Staples, and we had a fan catch from Elvira Lynn 84 that I loved at 9 minutes, 23 seconds. The woman in Staples that's talking with Dwight was played by Charlotte Stewart, who played Ms. Beadle on Little House in the Prairie. We also heard from Jessie M. Who said she noticed this as well. It might be a fun fact that only an older generation can appreciate. Guys, during this pandemic, my family did a rewatch of Little House on the Prairie.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, I watched it growing up, and my memories of Little House on the Prairie are like, the baby got a fever on Christmas Eve, and Paul had to go out in the rainstorm, and Nellie was always being mean. And did it hold up?

[Jenna Fischer]

It does hold up, Ange. And it's a really weird thing to watch during current times because, like, this family, they're just on their own in their little farmhouse, and the kids have to be friends with each other, and it's just the family unit kind of

[Angela Kinsey]

all stuck together inside.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And every once in a while, Pa will venture off to town and he'll bring back some special treat, and it's all very exciting. I felt that very relatable.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I have to point out something. Jesse, who wrote in her profile, says she is, quote, fueled by chocolate. And that really made me laugh. Jesse, I feel you. I feel you.

[Jenna Fischer]

I saw that, too. Jesse, we're with you.

[Angela Kinsey]

We also got a lot of mail about the Jim and Pam prank on Andy. Now, this scene starts at 13 minutes, 24 seconds, if you want to check it out. Jenna, if you remember, we kind of made fun, you and I, of Jim and Pam's lame spy skills, Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

We had said that we thought it was silly that Jim went to all the effort to sneakily steal Andy's cell phone to then just hand it off to Pam, who then, moments later, you know, gets up, and then her and Jim walk through the bullpen and she hands it back to him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right. Why?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, many people disagreed with us, and they had some theories of their own.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Anna White said she thinks Jim gives the phone to Pam so that Pam can get Andy's cell phone number off the phone in the first place. Place. Because how else would Jim know? She thinks Pam probably emails Jim the number so that he can start calling it after he puts it in the ceiling.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, my one thought is Andy is the type of guy that gave every single person his cell phone number the

[Jenna Fischer]

first day, but that doesn't mean they saved it.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's true. That's true. But I. I just have this feeling that Andy has texted Jim, like, what up, my dog, Big Tuna. Want to meet me for a beer? Big Tuna, you're going to answer Big Tuna? Look at this crazy thing I saw on the Internet. Big Tuna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I like these theories, but I think I'm going to stand by my assessment that this was a lot of effort for a prank that could have been simpler.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's never about the prank. They just wanted to spend time together.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. Okay, let's move on to Ben Franklin.

[Jenna Fischer]

You guys, Big Ben Franklin News. We found Jackie Debotton. Elizabeth the stripper. However, her last name is actually pronounced Debiton. Jackie Debaton. But you might remember she is in this episode. She is also in Fun Run, and then she's gonna pop up again in the finale. Spoiler alert.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Jackie reached out to me on dm. I got her cell phone, and we've been texting. She's so sweet. And she sent in some audio clips about what it was like working on the show. Sam, can you play the clip?

[Sam Kiefer]

Hi, office fans. It's Jackie Debbiton, AKA Elizabeth the stripper from the Office. Angela, Jenna, thank you so much for having me on your amazing podcast. I feel so honored to be here and talk about my memories from this iconic TV show. One thing I remember so clearly is just how warm and welcoming this entire cast was. You know, as a guest star actress, sometimes you come on and you feel like. Like you're busting into somebody's family dinner. But these guys, from the second I got there, made me feel like part of the family and so creative and collaborative and nice to me. It was really such a great memory in that perspective.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is so sweet.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, in this next clip, she talks about what it was like working with Steve Carell and also a little bit about what it was like shooting those dates dance scenes in the warehouse. Sam, can you play that clip?

[Sam Kiefer]

He was so sweet and so polite. I would say the day that I had to do the lap dance in the warehouse, I was not that nervous. But I've also played a lot of strippers in my TV career, ironically. I don't know why, because I'm actually an accountant in real life. But that's probably a different story. We had this amazing costume designer put together this business suit that had so much Velcro on it, it was a challenge to get the ripped off at the right time. We had a couple of wardrobe malfunctions, but we did finally pull it off.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hold up. Jackie is an accountant in real life?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Jackie is an accountant. She's a working actress and an accountant. Well, I also asked her if she still gets recognized, and here's what she had to say.

[Sam Kiefer]

I do. I live in New York City now. Have for the last eight years. And, you know, as New York City is, there's always a ton of people in the stores on the street, and I'll just have someone randomly in the middle of the day or just. Or in the restaurant just come up and go, oh, my God, you're the stripper from the Office. Which makes me laugh. But then, of course, I look around and you can see all these other people looking at me, just random strangers and all. And I feel like they might think that I'm, like, the stripper from, like, the Office, like their office or their office building. So I feel like I have to explain to them that I. No, it's the stripper from the TV show the Office. But, yeah, these fans and these office fans are the most amazing fans. They're so sweet, and they always are asking me tons of questions about what it was like to be on the show. And you know what it's like to work with all you amazing famous people. And I'm just always so, you know, complimentary of telling them how nice everybody was to me and that I'll always, always remember this one. Yeah, I guess that's it, ladies. I hopefully I get to see you all again. Wink, wink. You know, maybe you do that reunion show. Elizabeth could come back and maybe this time she gets her CPA or something. All right. All right. Love you, office fans. Bye.

[Jenna Fischer]

Aw, thank you, Jackie. She was so sweet to send in those clips.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Jackie, thank you. And Jackie texted me and she said my niece is going to be so excited since she is the one to tell me to please check your DMs. So I just love that that her niece is bugging her. So thank you to Jackie's niece, niece for telling her to check her DMs. So we finally got to connect, and

[Jenna Fischer]

Jackie said you can find her in a fun indie movie called Crappy Mother's Day, and she's the lead. She doesn't know when or where it'll end up. They just finished it. But be on the lookout for Crappy Mother's Day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Up next is Phyllis's wedding. Chris deluca had a very interesting theory about who broke wind in Phyllis's dressing room. Chris says Phyllis gives a super quick glance right directly at the camera. Was she trying to blame the camera operator and trying to get them to take the blame?

[Jenna Fischer]

This is very interesting.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like this theory.

[Jenna Fischer]

I do, too. We forgot that there were more people in the room besides just Michael and Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe a member of the documentary crew is the one who tooted.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think so. I love this idea, Chris.

[Jenna Fischer]

Love it. Angela, we spoke a little bit in this episode about that fur handpiece. Lauren Ramirez wrote in to say it is called a muff. KKPL Watson went on to say they originally had a small zippered pouch inside where ladies could keep a handkerchief, lipstick, etc. In place of carrying a pouch purse.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I would like that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, dare I say, we also needed this because we had no pockets. Perhaps we had to invent a muff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, man.

[Jenna Fischer]

Just give us some pockets and all of our problems will be solved.

[Angela Kinsey]

Give us some dang pockets. All right, Jenna, I think we should take a break. But before we do, I have to correct something I got wrong. And revisited. Okay, this is a revisit of a revisited. So during our revisited with Dave Rogers, I mentioned I was in a Clay Walker music video. And Nicole, Erica, Brandi, Hannah, April, and many more. Let me know. I Got the lyrics wrong to Clay Walker's song. Now, if you know me, you must know I can never get a song right. I know like three words of a song and then I'm gonna botch it. It's sort of my. My superpower. Like, I will drive you crazy on a road trip because I just always get the lyrics wrong. So here it is. Clay Walker's song. If I could make a living out of loving you. You not I could make a million out of loving you. Sam, can you play the clip?

[Jenna Fischer]

To be fair, Angela, if he made a million out of loving you, he would also make a living out of loving you. So.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. Maybe he could flip it, you know?

[Jenna Fischer]

He says if he could make a living, he'd make a million.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's true.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's how much money he could make. Loving you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I went back and watched the music video for this and I found the moment, the blurry moment where I'm in the video and I'm gonna put it in our stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. I love these early acting jobs because this is reminding me of when I was a background extra for the Jurassic park ride at Universal Studios.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ah, what a gig. Amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was a gig. It really was. I got paid $100 to ride the Jurassic park water ride. By the way, it's a water ride at Universal Studios for 12 hours. No, 12 hours and no.

[Randall Einhorn]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

You guys, wait. I have to put some context in this. I have done this ride. It has got such a huge drop. Yep, I've done it with the kids. We have a. We. We bought the photo. You know, the photo. Do the drop and the kids faces. It's like horror. The drop is so much bigger than you can prepare for. And I got completely soaked. I had to go to the gift shop and I had to buy a pair of sweatpants to wear around the rest of the day because I was drenched.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. This was my first acting job. When I arrived in Los Angeles, my friend and I both signed up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were so excited when we got to Universal Studios. As we're walking in, we passed by Arnold Schwarzenegger shooting basketball baskets outside of a sound stage. We were like, we have arrived. This is gonna be the best day ever.

[Angela Kinsey]

Woohoo.

[Jenna Fischer]

12 hours later.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did you cry as you left?

[Jenna Fischer]

The difference of us walking to the gig and walking from the gig at the end of the day, we were so beaten down. I want to say at a certain point, they felt like they weren't getting on camera enough. Water splashing on us to indicate that it was a water ride.

[Sam Kiefer]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

So the first thing they did was they had guys with buck pockets of water that they would just throw on us as we scooted by in the little boat.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

But at one point, not even that was enough. They got out what's called a water cannon.

[Randall Einhorn]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

They shoot cannonballs of water at you. Can you. I can't believe I didn't just drive back to Missouri after that. This is being an actor. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

12 hours. I. I rode that ride one time and I was like, I'm never doing it again.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, if you see the commercial, there is a spot where you can pause and for one second, half of me is on screen. So, lady, while you were dancing to this Clay Walker music video, I was getting hit by a water cannon. That's showbiz, folks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, man.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, let's take a break and we will come back and we'll start with with business school.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

All right, we are back.

[Randall Einhorn]

Welcome back.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're gonna start with business school. This is the episode with Pam's art show and we got mail lady from so many artists after this episode because they really connected with Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is also the episode with the bat in the office and several people shared with us about having bats in their offices.

[Randall Einhorn]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

Bats in their offices?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Listen to this one. Kelly Riordan said rewatching this episode gave me flashbacks of the time I was working alone in my office l late at night during a thunderstorm and a bat started swooping at my head. I was on a tight deadline so I had to dodge the bat for an hour while I tried to continue working.

[Jenna Fischer]

Kelly, did you get a rabies shot? I hope Kelly got a rabies shot. Remember, you can't always feel it when they bite you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. They're sneaky. And speaking of bats, Kendra Zane said, I can't believe you guys didn't touch on the rabies foreshadowing with Mary Meredith. Kendra, we totally should have. Great catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, Angela, remember cocktails?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I do.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael goes to the party at David Wallace's house. Do you remember the creepy ghost lady in the background of Michael's talking head?

[Angela Kinsey]

How could I forget?

[Jenna Fischer]

So creepy. A lot of people wrote in to say they think it was someone from the catering staff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

They noted that the woman is wearing the same burgundy top as the other caterer hers, and they think she's chopping something or maybe washing dishes because her shoulders and arms are kind of moving a little bit.

[Angela Kinsey]

You guys really, really gave this a once over. I mean, if you're clocking her Shoulder movements. I'm impressed.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Mando said the ghost from the Talking Head is also in the kitchen at 6 minutes, 33 seconds as David's wife puts down Michael's potato salad. And Leslie Heath said, you can see her walk behind Michael and Jan at 14 minutes, 3 seconds.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is so much more than I ever thought we would know about this ghost woman.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. It's so true. So not a ghost member of catering staff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, I've got a few more catches for you. Charlie said, I'd like to point out that when Jan presents Michael with their love contract, Michael says, I'm going to frame mine. In the later episode, the Deposition, when Jan is attempting to sue Dunder Mifflin, Michael presents the contract as evidence. And it's in a black frame.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nice.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so good, isn't it? And Chris G. Says, you didn't mention the fact that Jan drove her own car to the party but then rode home with Michael. What happened to her car?

[Jenna Fischer]

I had wondered about that. I have to say. I wondered, did they have to drive back to David Wallace's house and pick up her car? You know what? I think she did. I think she sent Michael in a cab the next day to get her car.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think she drank too much wine and.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, well, that's for sure why Michael drove her. But, yeah, how she retrieved her car. I bet she made Michael go get it.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then I bet Michael made Dwight go get it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. Exactly. Well, moving on to the negotiation, my pocket soapbox got a lot of mail in support of my position. One of my favorites came from Melanie Vergara, who said, ladies, I feel so strongly about the symbology of pockets that I refuse to even consider buying a wedding dress without pockets. And I found the wedding dress of my dreams. It has pockets. She's gonna wear it this year.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, a wedding dress with pockets is pretty phenomenal. Yeah, well, Kenny, who is a historian, wrote in and had a correction for us. Kenny says women had pockets throughout history until the 1800s, when, for various complicated and mostly sexist RO reasons, women lost their pockets. So, yes, the lack of pockets is a sexist thing, but the 400 years ago thing is wrong. It's more like 200. Secondly, she says, corsets were not bad for you. In fact, they gave you great back support. The reason corsets hurt people today is because they either haven't broken them in the same way you have to break in a stiff material shoe before they're comfortable or because they are not fitted properly, because people Today don't realize the absolute importance of a well fitted corset and that she would personally take a corset over a bra any day.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a lot of information there, Kenny.

[Jenna Fischer]

I could not love this letter more. Thank you very much. Although I do have to say, having worn many corsets for acting projects over the year, perhaps they were ill fitted. I'm going to go ahead and take a bra.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're going to take a bra over a corset?

[Randall Einhorn]

It.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm going to take a sports bra. If I'm being honest, I don't even want any of the underwire. If I can avoid it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're going to go uniboob and be fine with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's the thing. When I get dressed in the mornings, I like to get dressed as if I might have to break into a full sprint at some point in the day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, your panic button is ready if you need to run. If you need to haul ass.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I'm dressed for it. If there's an apocalyptic event event, I'm ready. Men are naturally dressed this way. Truly, a man could pretty much break into a sprint pretty easily, right? Well, I want to survive end of times. A possible mugging, I don't know. So no corsets, no Spanx, no high heels for me. I need to run to my bag of expired medication, my book bag with my protein bar, my backpack with the solar panel so I can charge my phone. It's full. You know what I have in my emergency backpack? Angela? We live in Southern California, but I have four of those foil blankets that you wrap around yourself, like for extreme cold temperature, because you don't know. You don't know the weather shift that's gonna happen if a meteor hits the Earth.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is like that Jake Gyllenhaal movie the Day After Tomorrow where, you know, all of a sudden this, like, crazy arctic storm freezes all of New York City, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

I would have a foil blanket for that. And I would have comfortable clothing with giant pockets. I would be as ready as possible. You see what I'm saying? I can't wear a corset.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. No, you can't. You can't wear a corset, Jenna. You know, my theory on all of this is like what they say about a bear attack. You only have to run faster than one other person.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God.

[Angela Kinsey]

I only have to be faster than one other person in the pack, and I'll be okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so interesting they didn't use that quote in the Edge. They went with what one man has done, another can do. But yours is also very inspiring.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, well, Jenna, it was also during the negotiation that we discussed our love of Keanu Reeves movies. And last week we found out that you have not been watching John Wick.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm so sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I guess there are a few Keanu Reeves the office crossover connections.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna, we are like 6 degrees separation of Keanu Reeves. We almost know him.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait, I could blow your mind right now.

[Angela Kinsey]

What? Have you met him? Jenna Fisher, have you met Keanu Reeves?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, but I was at a birthday party with him for a mutual friend. But I never got up the courage to cross the room and introduce myself. And this happened like, recently? Like before Coronavirus.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have no words.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did I forget to tell you that?

[Angela Kinsey]

What is wrong with you? How could you forget to tell me this? We have talked for six months about Keanu Reeves.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. And you know, it's really weird, because when you told me I had a Keanu Reeves office connection, I got really excited because I think I'd forgotten that I had actually been in the same room with him once.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I have one Keanu Reeves story. I guess I haven't shared it with you. I don't know why we don't share with each other about our Keanu Reeves stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's happened to us?

[Angela Kinsey]

We used to be best friends. What's going on? In my early 20s, I was performing improv at Iowest in Hollywood, and I was at a red light crossing the street to go to the theater with Wyatt Cenac. Some of you guys might know Wyatt. He is very funny, talented comed. And we were standing on the street corner and like a SUV pulled up and in the passenger seat was Keanu Reeves. And I was prime Kinsey twinnies. Tank top, little shorts.

[Randall Einhorn]

Uh huh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. And Wyatt Snack goes, oh my God, it's Keanu Reeves. And I was like, huh? And he goes, he just checked you out, Kinsey. He just checked you out. I was like, no, Wyatt, if you're making this up, you better not be messing with me. And then the car pulled away, but he was like, no, Ange, Keanu Reeves looks you up and down. I was like, no, I don't know if this is true.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, you may have saw it. You make that true. That's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now, part of my personal history.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's your personal history. And you can hold that forever, Wyatt.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, what are the Keanu Reeves office connections? Because I want to know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here are our crossover connections. Allie Lincoln said I have a correction. Speed is fantastic, but peak Keanu Reeves hotness includes David Denman in the Replacements. If you don't get the chills when David as Brian scores a touchdown, you're broken.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait, so David Denman knows Keanu Reeves?

[Angela Kinsey]

Why didn't we talk to David about Keanu Reeves?

[Jenna Fischer]

Why haven't we been exploiting this relationship?

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly. Okay. And a great catch by Drew Knox. They say the movie Speed features the amazing Beth Grant, who later appears in a couple of episodes with you all, most notably in the Dinner Party as Dwight's date slash ex babysitter, Melvina.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

APPLAUSE that is fantastic.

[Jenna Fischer]

She is the woman who's very, very nervous about getting off the bus and walking across the little plank.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

To the other speeding vehicle with the police.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. I got. That is just really good. Keanu office crossover over.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm moving us along to safety training. Angela, you told the story about how your mom gets people's names wrong.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

You gave an example of how your mom would call your friend Bart Mart. She called him Mart. We asked who would ever name their kid Mart.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think you asked that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I did. I did ask that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me just throwing you under the bus.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it's fine because after we recorded that day, I was curious and I googled it, and apparently a lot of people in Estonia name their children Mart. And two of Estonia's prime ministers have been named Mart. Mart Silliman and Mart Lahr.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mart Lahr.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mart Lahr. He is a prime minister. Former prime minister of Estonia.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

We also wondered, and Angela, we both wondered why Andy brought his lunch to work on a plate covered in foil oil.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Many people, including Lee Miller, Shaylee Taylor, Hannah Ermey, and Megan Bennett, said it was the plate of cookies that Andy brought to share with everyone. It was a deleted scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, it was. You're so right. I should have caught that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Prison Mike added. The people who brought their lunch to work on a plate covered in foil were Roy and Pam. Remember when they were eating their way through all of their unused reception meetings.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that is right. Yes, I remember that storyline now. All right, we have more to cover. And next up is Women's Appreciation. Oh, gosh, we had some interesting mail on this one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You might remember that in Women's Appreciation, Phyllis gets flashed in the parking lot. And this leads Dwight to setting up a hotline to find the Predator. And he holds up a flyer in the episode and it has a phone number very clearly printed on it. And when the episode Aired. We shared that if you called that number, you heard a voicemail from Dwight. Well, apparently the phone number on that flyer is now. Wait for it. A sex hotline.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. So I am filing this under.

[Sam Kiefer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

What should I file it under? Omg. Sarah wrote in and said, I called the hotline number from this week's episode. It is a sex call line. Oh, the irony. Guess it's no longer to report. Flashing now, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

I called the number two.

[Jenna Fischer]

You did not.

[Sam Kiefer]

I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

I had to know. I had to know. Okay, it's the 800 number on the flyer that's on the prop, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So, Sam, I want you to call this number.

[Jenna Fischer]

Welcome to America's hottest talk line. Guys, hot ladies are waiting to talk to you. Press one now. Ladies, to talk to interesting and exciting. Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Guys, welcome to the hottest text line.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let me ask you a question.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

That voice is often used when women are being flirtatious and coy.

[Sam Kiefer]

Men.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you like that voice? Does that voice turn you on? Hi. What is up right now? What is up right now is what I want to know. Are you up right now? I mean, is that. Is that getting you there? That voice gets you there. Sorry, lady on sex hotline, But I feel like she's putting on, like, sexy voice.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think that's how she talks in real life. I think when she goes to the grocery store, she's like, what is your price on avocados this week?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I hope she's not talking to the grocery store workers about that because they're all going to get so turned on. Okay. And a lot of people wished we had discussed a certain scene in the food court where Pam and Karen have very different opinions on Michael's relationship with Jan. Sarah Gray, MC Michelle G. Nicole, Clem, Armanda, Yesenia P. Emily, Lucille, and Alexis Leary and many more all said when Karen says, sometimes you just have to push through rough patches, and Pam says, maybe it sounds like you two are just wrong for each other. And then they share an awkward look. I really wanted to hear you guys break that down. All right. This is a missed opportunity because I do have thoughts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I'm sure you probably did.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's what I find interesting. I think it's really interesting that their advice to Michael seems to be kind of the opposite of how we've seen them in their own relationships. I feel like Pam was always pushing through rough patches, you know, and Karen always felt to me like the example of a more kind of assertive, empowered women who would say, listen Maybe this just isn't a match. So I found it interesting that their advice to Michael was a little different than how maybe they live their own lives.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I mean, they're both just speaking where they're at. That's what I thought.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it's true. I think Karen has been in a giant rough patch with Jim from the beginning that she keeps trying to convince herself that this is a great relationship for her. So I think there's some truth in that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Pam is finally done doing that.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're right.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's living a more authentic life. She can be more honest with herself, and so she's more honest with others.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I hear that, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

In the same episode, Karina and Maggie wrote in and said they were sad that we did not discuss Angela's large colonial dolls. Talking head. I was too, Jenna. I was bummed after the fact. I was like, oh, my gosh. That's like one of my favorite talking heads. And I can't believe I didn't talk about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think we just had so much to cover in this episode that we didn't get to everything.

[Angela Kinsey]

I agree, but this is for Karina and Maggie. Sometimes the clothes at Gap Kids are just too flashy, so I'm forced to go to the American Girl store and order clothes for large colonial dolls.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll have you know there is no way you could fit into that doll clothing. I mean, you are tiny. Yes. But I feel like I could put that clothing on my cat that it's very tiny.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. It's so ridiculous.

[Randall Einhorn]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh. And I have to point out one thing on a personal note. This is one of the only episodes that I actually wore pantyhose in. I knew I would be cold at this mall. Jenna. This was our mall. We know this mall. I always freeze.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's cold.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I decided to wear pantyhose. You can see them when I'm seated talking to Michael in Victoria's seat Secrets.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Meanwhile, I've had pantyhose on for three years because I didn't know that you could just refuse to wear them. All right, moving into beach games. This was a very big episode, and we really did try to cover everything again. We missed a few things. We got some mail about the scene where the group arrives at Lake Scranton. So the bus has just parked. Everyone's filing off the bus. Fan question from Alyssa, Jennifer Vessel, Joel M. And Jen Sealy. As Michael gets off the bus, he says, watch out for snakes. And he kind of mugs for the camera. Well, this line actually comes from the movie E. GA Let me spell that for you. It's E, E, G, A, H. This movie was featured on Mystery Science Theater 3000, and that line has become a running joke. So these guys want to know, was the line written or improvised? Do we think that Michael liked the movie IGA or do we think maybe Michael is a fan of Mystery Science Theater 3000?

[Angela Kinsey]

Guys?

[Jenna Fischer]

We asked Jen Salata, writer of this episode, and she said this was 100% a coincidence. It was not intentional. When Michael says, watch out for snakes getting off the bus. That line was written because she just thought it would be really funny if the first thing Michael says to us as we arrive at the beach is something that would make the beach completely not fun, which would be snakes. Right. She also said that I guess there was a real warning to watch out for snakes. The cast and crew.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I wanted to take a second and mention one of my favorite deleted Phyllis talking heads from this episode. They're all talking about if Jim would be a good boss or not, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Because he's up for this job at corporate, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. He's up for the job. And Phyllis says in a talking head to camera, I think Jim would be a good boss. Plus, he's eye candy. It's okay. Bob Vance knows he's on my list. George Clooney, Leo DiCaprio, Jim and that British guy who got in trouble with the prostitute.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess that would be Hugh Grant. Wow. And Bob knows.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob knows is. And he's okay with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. So Meredith hits on Jim to sign her cast. Phyllis has Jim on her list.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Phyllis, the ladies are going after you, fella.

[Jenna Fischer]

More fan mail lady from Krista K. She says, I believe it was Jenna that equated walking over lava stones to walking on Lego bricks. I wanted you guys to know that doing a Lego walk, which is walking endlessly on Lego bricks, is actually a thing that happens during Lego fan convention mentions. Krista said she tried it once and failed miserably, but her husband did all right one year. And during last year's Philly Brick Fest, the Guinness World Record was set at 2,737ft. But listen to this. That record was shattered on November 20, 2020, by someone named LA Beast who took a video of themselves walking 2012,750ft over a bunch of Lego. And there's a video on YouTube, but she said it's like an hour long.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is crazy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Someone walked on Legos for an hour.

[Angela Kinsey]

All I could think of as a parent was, oh, my God, who had to pick up all those stinking Legos when it was done? Yeah, that's a lot of Lego pickup.

[Jenna Fischer]

It really is moving us along now to the job fan catch from Erika Jane. My thought was that maybe this episode is called the Job, not because of all the people who are vying for the corporate job, but because of Jan's boob job.

[Angela Kinsey]

I saw a few people sort of had this idea, and it cracked me up.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know it is a bit of a double entendre.

[Angela Kinsey]

Double entendre, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

This episode also featured a really great interview with Paul Lieberstein. We got a bunch of mail from people saying. Saying how much they loved hearing from him. And lady, we also had people write in and say that they love our tangents, our soapboxes, our deep dives. Because you apologized. Because I think you felt a little self conscious when you were sharing about the Limelight, the club inside of the Gothic cathedral.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I went on for a long time, and then I realized, like, oh, my gosh, am I. Am I talking too much about this?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, this feeling of being self conscious and trying not to apologize for things you don't need to apologize for really resonated with people. And I am very happy to see that we are all going to work on this together.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, we are.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, guys, that pretty much wraps it up. But before we go, we did get a question for our sound engineer, Sam. Sarah Vicari would like to know, where are you from in Wisconsin?

[Randall Einhorn]

Oh, I am from Watertown, Wisconsin, Johnson. It's halfway between Madison and Milwaukee. And our mascot was a gosling. It was a very intimidating baby goose in a sweater.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, go baby goose in your little sweater.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela's doing some candlesticks as she cheers that cheer for your tiny goose.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jazz hands. And speaking of local treasures, I wanted to give a shout out to Christie Adventures. She sent us a walking tour guide of Scranton. It's like a whole map app. It's amazing. And I've already looked at it a few times.

[Jenna Fischer]

You gave me one, and I literally love it. Yeah, we will use that when we go. Well, there you have it, guys. We have revisited the second half of season three. Thank you to Randall Einhorn for talking with us. And thank you to Jackie Debiton for sending in those audio clips.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And thank you to you all for sending in your questions and comments. There were a lot. We tried to get to as many as we could. I know we missed some guys. I know we did. But, you know, we'll Just keep chipping away at them.

[Jenna Fischer]

If you want to send us a question or comments, head over to the Office Ladies pod Instagram. We check all our comments there. And if you go to our website, officeladies.com you can find little folders that correspond to each episode. That's where we pull the questions for our regular episodes and for our revisiteds.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, and on Office Ladies Pod, if you could put your question or comment to the episode it pertains to to that way it has a better chance of making it in.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait, wait, guys. That sounded like something I would say. Angela, am I rubbing off on you? You just directed people to an organizational technique. I've never been so excited.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, gosh. I didn't know that would do it for you like that. I'll throw out some more of my home organization tips, okay?

[Jenna Fischer]

Please? All right, guys, we will be back next week with a regular episode. Love you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Love you guys. Take care.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our senior producer is Matt Beagle, and our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey, Nancy's executive producer is Leah Rees Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.