All About Creed Bratton

Summary

Office Ladies – "All About Creed Bratton"

Date: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Special Guest: Creed Bratton (actor & musician, portrayed Creed on The Office)

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Episode Overview

This special episode celebrates the uniquely mysterious and hilarious character of Creed Bratton from The Office, as well as the real-life Creed Bratton himself. Jenna and Angela reminisce about infamous Creed moments, reveal behind-the-scenes stories, explore fan theories and contributions, and share a delightful and candid interview with Creed Bratton. The episode is packed with quirky anecdotes, philosophical musings, and insightful Q&A, making it a treat for fans of The Office and its most enigmatic cast member.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celebrating Creed: Show Bible and Fan Contributions

• [02:26] Angela introduces the focus: "It's an all about character episode... It is all about Creed Bratton today."
• The hosts read a detailed list compiled by fan Cindy R. from Australia, who and her family spent years cataloging facts about Creed, noting the character’s criminal exploits, his oddities, and hilarious lines (see notable quotes below).
• Jenna acknowledges: "Their list is actually more detailed than the show bible." [03:32]
• Additional canon facts (from the show bible and not the fan compilation) include: was in an iron lung as a teenager, chess master, Swiss passport, friends in China, and an alias—William Charles Schneider. [06:54]

2. Personal Interactions: Text Threads with Creed

• [07:28] Angela and Jenna share amusing highlights from their years-long text thread with Creed, who refers to himself as “Grandpa Creed,” calls Angela “Pumpkin,” and Jenna “Jen.”
• Creed shares animal videos, dance performances, and thoughtful philosophical quotes, such as an Alan Watts reflection: “Be like a cat.” [08:55]
• Example from their thread: “Oh, come on ladies, I’m a blubbering mess after this one,” referring to a heartwarming animal video. [10:11]

3. Favorite Creed Moments—Hosts & Team Picks

• [15:57] The team shares their top Creed moments from the show, including:
  • The “old man smell” and asthma/scuba line [17:06]
  • “When Pam gets Michael’s old chair, I get Pam’s old chair. Then I’ll have two chairs. Only one to go.” [17:47]
  • The cartwheel resolution from “Ultimatum”: “I want to do a cartwheel, but real casual...” [18:26]
  • From “Gay Witch Hunt”: “In the ’60s I made love to many, many women... it’s possible a man slipped in, there’d be no way of knowing.” [19:18]
  • From “Fun Run”: “I’ve been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.” [19:40]

4. Fan Favorite Moments & Buzzfeed Highlights

• [19:49] Angela draws from Buzzfeed’s list of 27 iconic Creed moments.
  • “You’re paying way too much for worms, man. Who’s your worm guy?” [20:30]
  • His “Bo Body” manager moment and improv acronym session. [21:51]
  • Discusses Creed’s skill in making every oddball line memorable and the effect he had on castmates, especially “cracking up” John Krasinski. [22:44]

5. Areas of Interest: CreedThoughts Blog & Reality vs. Fiction

A. CreedThoughts.gov Blog

• [23:43] Angela and Jenna read from the still-active CreedThoughts.gov, featuring classic in-character blog posts written by the show’s writer’s room.
  • Highlight: Creed’s ideal office uniform (navy blue sweatpants, shirtless vest, and slippers) [24:56], leading to costume ideas.

B. Creed: Fact or Fiction

• [29:03] Jenna asks Creed about how much of his character’s backstory is real, leading to a fact-finding interview.
• Creed blurs lines between truth and fiction, delighting the hosts and listeners.

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Extended Interview — Creed Bratton in Studio

[33:33–72:28] Creed Bratton Q&A: Fact or Fiction and Fans’ Questions

Creed Answers: What’s Real? What’s Not?

• In the Grass Roots band? Fact [36:52]
• Iron lung as a teen? Fiction (jokes about being convincing) [37:31]
• Grew/eaten mung beans? Partial truth — likes sprouts, not as reverent as joked [38:12]
• Has a daughter? Fact — and a son [40:12]
• Been in a cult? Jokes about fan “cult of Creed” and spins a tall tale [40:32]
• Chess master? Can play, but not an expert [42:27]
• Can scuba? Used to, stopped due to eardrum issues [42:54]
• Four toes? Fiction — jokes and debunks [44:29]
• Catch a fish with bare hands? No, but has caught squirrels — shares hilarious story about squirrel catching [45:52]

Behind the Scenes on The Office

• Creed often played solitaire on his non-functioning computer during downtime [56:55]
• Wrote music in the green room, completed two albums during the show’s run [57:47]
• Favorite set keepsakes: a samurai figure, costume from the finale [59:50]

Reflections and Most Prized Accomplishment

• Despite a wild past, now cherishes his family and friendships, especially with Jenna and Angela [58:23]
• Affirms that the limited, punchy moments in the show made Creed’s character so powerful: “Too much… I would have lost the appeal.” [51:56]

More Creed Trivia

• First entertainment job: film extra in 1964 on “Cast A Giant Shadow,” has a Frank Sinatra story [62:29]
• Instruments: Guitar (mainly), some piano, mandolin, and trumpet [64:09]
• Places he loves: Iceland, Klamath River (fishing trips with son) [64:47]
• Weekends spent reading, playing guitar, yoga, swimming, breakfast at Hugo’s [65:53]
• Has co-written a Western novel, “Buffalo,” with Nathan Edmondson [66:32]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the character’s mystery:
  “Creed wanted criminal. Definitely stole blood. Runs a fake ID business. Has been in multiple cults and is also potentially bisexual. Hides true identity. Stole the name Creed Bratton…” [04:30, Cindy R.’s fan list]
• Creed’s text philosophy:
  “Be like a cat.” (Alan Watts quote shared by Creed) [08:55]
• On his place in the show:
  “Their [the fans’] list is actually more detailed than the show bible.” – Jenna [03:32]
• Creed on the odd backstory:
  “Sometimes it's confusing being me. I speak of myself in the third person a lot because sometimes I don't even know where I'm coming from. Well, I question my own motives.” [36:30]
• Creed’s manager moment:
  “Do I love being manager? I love my kids. I love real estate. I love ceramics. I love my job. I love wrestling. Find out what language this is. OK, team building! On this side…” [21:51]
• Creed on catchphrases:
  “You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.” [19:40]
• On family:
  “...All this other stuff is wonderful, but that family connection is so strong, that gives me most joy and my friendships, my friends. And I’m now putting my hands out at my two girls who are like my daughters from the show...” [58:23]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• [02:26] — Introduction to "All About Creed Bratton"
• [03:12-06:54] — Fan-created Creed show bible and original show bible facts
• [07:28-12:42] — Text thread stories and Creed’s original “Office Ladies” song
• [15:57-23:31] — Team’s favorite Creed moments and Buzzfeed’s best-of list
• [23:43-29:03] — CreedThoughts blog and discussion of internet-era artifacts
• [29:03-33:33] — Creed Fact or Fiction introduction
• [33:33-72:28] — Full Creed Bratton interview: fact or fiction, fan Q&A, personal stories, behind-the-scenes insights
• [73:47-75:57] — Fan theories about “where is Creed now” and Creed’s own ideas for seeing the character again

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Conclusion & Final Fan Theories

Where is Creed now?

• Fan theory: Fled the country under his alias, runs a cult for money [73:27]
• Actor Creed’s view (via Collider): Would’ve scammed his way out of prison and continued his schemes. [74:11]
• Fun hint: He’d love to cameo, working random office jobs in Greg Daniels’ The Office follow-up, The Paper. [75:05]

Final Word from Creed:
"Oh, my gosh, girls, it's always—it's just a joy seeing you both. I love you both. You know that. Thank you for having me. And thanks for all the fans for those kind words. And, oh, Creed's a lucky guy. Thank you." [72:28]

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Additional Links & Resources

• CreedThoughts.gov Blog (archived)
• Creed’s Western novel “Buffalo”, available on Amazon
• “Jam in the Van” YouTube series: Features Creed Bratton performances [75:57]

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Tone & Style

Rich in the Office Ladies’ signature warmth, humor, and inside jokes, the episode is part celebration, part playful roast, and part philosophical examination—not just of Creed the character but of Creed the man behind the myth. Both fans and newbies get a deep, affectionate look at one of sitcom TV’s most beloved oddballs.

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Transcript

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[Angela Kinsey]

Hello. Hi, everyone. We have a fun, fun episode today. It's an all about character episode. Here's a hint. In real life, this person is my neighbor. And in fact, we carpooled here today.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's right. It is all about Creed Bratton today on Office Lady 6.0. And Creed will be joining us in the studio a little later for our fan Q and A. And I can tell you all, it's a delight.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's just wonderful. Start to finish.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. The real deal. Well, you know, we like to kick things off with the show bible. And I have been very excited to read the show bible for Creed. I know it is wonderful, but we got a fan letter from a fan who wrote her own.

[Angela Kinsey]

This was so impressive.

[Jenna Fisher]

It came in from Cindy R. In Sydney, Australia, who said, okay, ladies, this isn't a question, but a list of facts, quotes and moments that my family and I started collecting about six years ago in an effort to better understand Creed.

[Angela Kinsey]

They have been doing this for six years.

[Jenna Fisher]

Six years. Her family, they have reached the conclusion that he might not be understandable. Cindy went on to say, looking at this list now, I think we may have written the Creed section of the show bible. And lady, she did. I compared their list to the show bible and their list is actually more detailed.

[Angela Kinsey]

No way.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. So I am going to read her family's list now. They also included things from deleted scenes which I'm not going to read because the rules of the show bible say that only aired material goes in the show bible. But still. Check out her family's list. Here we go. Creed wanted criminal. Definitely stole blood. Runs a fake ID business. Has been in multiple cults and is also potentially bisexual. Hides true identity. Stole the name Creed Bratton from someone named Creed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bratton.

[Jenna Fisher]

Commits tax fraud. Implied to have killed someone on Halloween. Doesn't appear to know what his job is, where he works or any of his co workers. When swapped, he doesn't seem to notice or care that he's eating a raw potato instead of an apple. We talked to Creed about that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Attempted to fake his death at one point. Has a daughter. His parents are still alive. He grows and eats mung beans in his desk. Doesn't appear to know any modern technology, Internet texts, nothing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Which might explain something else we talked about with Creed.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. Creed wants three chairs. What are they for? We don't know. He uses the woman's bathroom. Has never owned a fridge. Loves stealing. Literally. Says, I love stealing. I love taking things. Has definitely done drugs. Sells Kelly a tapeworm and also has a worm guy for worms. Has a whole worm guy.

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fisher]

The character of Creed lives near the quarry. Ate an ice pack. Called it a blueberry slurpee pouch, but somehow didn't die. Is very knowledgeable. About marijuana strains. Used printer ink to dye his hair. He can't do cartwheels. Has four toes, Uses a disco ball as a rear view mirror. Is very good at dance Dance Revolution. Hates Betty White. Do you remember that one? I had to look this up. No, I don't remember that. I guess in nepotism, he starts following Michael's nephew on Twitter because he isn't talking about Betty White. Doesn't want to hear any more about Betty White.

[Angela Kinsey]

No more. Leave it alone already.

[Jenna Fisher]

In search committee, Creed says, quote, I love my kids. I love ceramic. I love my job. I love wrestling. He's already made his tombstone. He thinks he's learning scuba at Dunder Mifflin. And he's definitely been flashing people, but, you know, quote, that's was just hanging brain.

[Angela Kinsey]

So gross.

[Jenna Fisher]

He can catch fish with his bare hands, he prints his own money, and he does not know what a Toblerone is.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's really funny.

[Jenna Fisher]

Quote, how did I get this long triangle?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I loved that.

[Jenna Fisher]

So that is a pretty impressive list, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

It really is. It really is.

[Jenna Fisher]

Now, there are a few things that were in the show bible that did not make their family's list. They are that the character of Creed was in an iron lung as a teenager, that he is a chess master, has a Swiss passport, has friends in China, and has an alias, William Charles Schneider.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

And he transfers all his debt to William Charles Schneider. There you have it.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was so impressive.

[Jenna Fisher]

His show bible, the facts of Creed are so entertaining. There's a lot of crime, a lot.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's a lot of shenanigans and tomfoolery. I don't know why I'm saying all these ye olde terms. Well, I thought it might be fun to go through our digital clutter. Lady, you and I actually have some shared digital clutter that I have held onto. It is our text thread with Creed. We have been texting together, the three of us, for years.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, we have our office peeps text thread, but we've got a side thread that's just you, me, and Creed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep. And I want to share with you guys what it consists of. First of all, he always calls himself Grandpa Creed, and he refers to me as Pumpkin because remember, he has that line on the show, pumpkin's out. Yep. And so he calls me Pumpkin, and he always calls Jenna Jen. That's his nickname for her. You'll hear him say that in our interview today.

[Jenna Fisher]

He is the only person in my life who calls me Jen, and I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, are you ready for an Overview of our Creed texts.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. I thought this was really fun when you said lady, I think we need to dig in to our text thread with Creed. I was looking at it. We found very funny things.

[Angela Kinsey]

He sends us a lot of wacky stuff, memes and the gifs and all that stuff. But he also sends us pictures from his trips with his grandkids, inspirational quotes like this one that he said is one of his favorites and we've shared it before on the podcast. But since today is all about Creed and this is one of his favorite quotes, I want to share it again.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Creed wrote to us and said, I thought I'd send you my favorite cat quote from Alan Watts. When a cat falls out of a tree, it lets go of itself. The cat becomes completely relaxed and lands lightly on the ground. But if a cat were about to fall out of a tree and suddenly make up its mind that it didn't want to fall, it would become tense and rigid and would be just a bag of broken bones upon landing. In the same way, it is the philosophy of the DAO that we are all falling off a tree at every moment of our lives. As a matter of fact, the moment we were born, we were kicked off a precipice and we are falling and there is nothing that can stop it. So instead of living in a state of chronic tension and clinging to all sorts of things that are actually falling with us because the whole world is impermanent. Be like a cat.

[Jenna Fisher]

You know, I think Creed lives that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do too.

[Jenna Fisher]

You know, I love that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do too.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, you know, he also will always text us Happy birthday holiday greetings. One year he texted us, happy New Year to you and your cats. And then he sent a video of a cat figuring out how to open a door.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was genius.

[Jenna Fisher]

My cat Andie used to do that. We had a conversation about it. But we'll also hear from him for just no reason at all. Like the time that he randomly sent us a video where a dog and an elephant become friends. And then he texted, oh, come on, ladies, I'm a blubbering mess after this one. He really loves videos where animals, like.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do cutie pie things, right? Or when animals help each other out. Yes, Animals working together.

[Jenna Fisher]

This is a theme.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a theme. So, yes, the theme is usually animals being really cute, but then every once in a while we get a curveball. Like, there was a 15 minute dance video he sent us.

[Jenna Fisher]

I remember this. I loved it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You loved it. It was from a French theatrical company titled oh Jenna, I'm probably gonna get this wrong.

[Jenna Fisher]

Do you want me to read it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, will you?

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay. Here, give it to me. Oh, yes. Well, I'm gonna butcher it as well. Here we go. Rien de grave da Marguerite bordat et Pierre mei.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly.

[Jenna Fisher]

Probably I said that wrong.

[Angela Kinsey]

So that's the title. But then when you click on it, there's a description of this dance.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

A 15 minute dance. And the description says, where in a space invaded by mud, eight couples strive to dance the minuet in the rules of the art. And then Creed wrote under it. Enjoy this, ladies. Give it some time. It's an investment.

[Jenna Fisher]

I remember receiving it and I remember clicking on it and thinking, I must watch this.

[Angela Kinsey]

I remember watching it thinking, I would have never probably found this if not for Creed.

[Jenna Fisher]

Correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a fascinating piece of art.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. Well, we also check in with him, especially when he's on the road touring. One time we reached out and asked him how he was doing and he wrote this. He said, I'm in Philadelphia for a two week tour. It is so cold and snowy, but I love it. Miss you girls. I mean, it's so simple, but it's just so sweet. I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also loved our text thread when we were writing our book and we reached out to him for our audiobook and he wrote us the most awesome jingle. We thanked him profusely in our text and then he texted us back, you're my girls. I have no choice. Grandpa Cree takes care of his brood. Isn't that so sweet? Yeah, I think we should hear it.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Here's a tall tale. You could call it a yarn bout the office ladies and the show they spawned. They took our story and wrote it all down. Little Angela and her friend Pom, Jenna and Ange, Pumpkin and Pam go together like eggs and spam. Their book's real cute. Rudy, Toot toot Janet and and Jan, which was Pam.

[Jenna Fisher]

I mean, it's just so sweet.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's the best.

[Jenna Fisher]

We got an original song written about our friendship and our book by Creed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Creed. He just recorded that at home with his guitar. I mean, it's so special to me. Well, I just loved that trip down memory lane. And you know what? I think we should take a break, and when we come back, we can all share our favorite Creed moments.

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Advisor view important [e-mail] officeladies all right, we are back and I think it's time for our office ladies team to share their favorite Creed moments. We always like to kick this off with a fan letter. This one is from Luke B. In Iowa who said Creed is my absolute favorite character and then in parentheses said no offense.

[Angela Kinsey]

None taken.

[Jenna Fisher]

Luke because of his incredible one line insane flyby comments that many times go overlooked. Season 2 episode 14 is one of those when he comes in while everyone is trying to figure out what happened in Michael's office. Spoiler alert. It was Pooh. Creed makes the comment quote someone making soup. I believe it's one of the most underrated lines in the entire show.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's such a great Random throwaway. It really is.

[Jenna Fisher]

It really, really is. All right, well, who wants to go first?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I'll go first.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay, Sam.

[Cassie Jerkins]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mine was a toss up between the.

[Jenna Fisher]

Old man smell comment and this one.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Hey, did one of you tell Stanley that I have asthma? Because I don't. If it gets out, they won't let me scuba. If I can't scuba, then what's this all been about? What am I working toward?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so pure.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love it so much. Cassie, what's yours? So my all time favorite is from Murder, when Michael. Everyone's doing, like, the New Orleans characters, and Michael tells Creed that there's been a murder. And Creed's like, oh, yeah, I'll be right back. And then you see him running away, but it's more of a sight gag. So this is my runner up.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yo, is this his new chair?

[Jenna Fisher]

No, he hasn't picked one yet.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Dat. When Pam gets Michael's old chair, I get Pam's old chair. Then I'll have two chairs. Only one to go.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm like, what the heck? I love that one.

[Jenna Fisher]

Angela, what's yours?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, mine is from the episode Ultimatum in season seven. So we talk about this a little bit with Creed, but if you remember, Pam has a conference room meeting, and she is putting up a New Year's resolution board in the office so everyone can try to work towards their new resolution. And she asked different people what is their resolution? And here's what Creed said. I love it. And then I have a part 2.

[Jenna Fisher]

Creed, I noticed you don't have a resolution on the board. What's yours?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I want to do a cartwheel, but real casual, like, not make a big deal out of it, but I know everybody saw it. There's one stunning, gorgeous cartwheel.

[Jenna Fisher]

How's it going?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I'm having a little trouble motivating.

[Angela Kinsey]

Then later in that episode, Aaron does a cartwheel in the bullpen, and Creed's reaction is amazing.

[Jenna Fisher]

One, two, three. I did it. I did a cartwheel.

[Cassie Jerkins]

You. You. God.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay, that's it.

[Angela Kinsey]

He just cusses her out. He's so pissed. All right, Jenna, what about you?

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, well, I have two I couldn't decide. My first one is from Gay Witch Hunt. I love this talking head.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I'm not offended by homosexuality. In the 60s, I made love to many, many women, often outdoors in the mud and the rain. And it's possible a man slipped in would be no way of knowing.

[Jenna Fisher]

I just love it. I think he delivers it so well. And then my other favorite is from Fun run.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.

[Jenna Fisher]

I mean, it's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, come on. I mean, come on. It's so good. Well, I think we should dig into some fan favorite Creed moments. Buzzfeed wrote an article titled 27 Creed Bratton Moments that will never not be funny. That's how many there are. There's 27, but this doesn't even include deleted scenes and all the other ones that are probably going to be discovered now in the Superfan episodes. So in addition to all the ones we just shared, here are some that make all of the fan favorite lists. Okay, I'm going to just share five because there are so many.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right. In Koi Pond, when Michael says, I could get a fish for a 5 cent worm. And Creed says, you're paying way too much for worms, man. Who's your worm guy?

[Jenna Fisher]

I love? Who's your worm guy?

[Angela Kinsey]

Everybody loves that one. Number two, in Niagara Part two, we learned this about Creed. Dwight says, parlay my office, five minutes. Pam says, parlay. Creed says, pirate code. He wants to meet. Pam goes, so everyone here knows pirate code. And Creed says, I understand it. I can't speak it. Number three, I completely forgot about and are you ready?

[Jenna Fisher]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

In the episode Negotiation, Creed makes this very fair but disgusting observation. He says, you can only ever ooze two sexuality and pus.

[Jenna Fisher]

Do not remember that.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so gross. Number four, in Dunder Mifflin Infinity, when he actually uses the printer ink to dye his hair so he could look younger. Remember, Michael's like, I would have printed more things. And he's like, but there's no ink. And then it cuts to Creed. Lastly, number five. This makes many, many people's lists. In fact, it's also one of Creed Bratton in real life's favorite moments. He talked about it with us. Everyone loves it when Creed got to be the manager in search committee. There's a compilation clip of this day. It's pretty long, but I'm going to play you the first 50 seconds.

[Jenna Fisher]

We need a new manager.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Keep it running. Do I love being manager? I love my kids. I love real estate. I love ceramics. I love my job. I love wrestling. Find out what language this is. Okay, team building. On this side of the room, Stanley, Phyllis, Jim, Ted, Elroy. On this side of the room, Pam, Meredith, Phyllis, Creed. He never called a meeting. Bo body. Bo body. What does the First B stand for?

[Angela Kinsey]

What are we doing?

[Cassie Jerkins]

We're making acronyms. Okay. What does the first B stand for? Um, business. I like it. Business. Good. Kevin. All right. The O.

[Angela Kinsey]

That'S just part of his time as a manager, but it's the best when he pulls up and he tosses his keys to no one and then his bow body. And you know what? You can see John laughing.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's cracking up.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, Creed was Jon's weakest spot, right? Like, whatever. His Achilles heel when he's called out tonight. Yes, he was, for sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He never regained composure when Creed was like, you're not real, man.

[Jenna Fisher]

Exactly. Well, I love the character of Creed so much. I love how he came about lady. That just so organically. Like, the writers did not sit down in the room and think him up. It's like they found him. He was a little treasure just sitting on our set doing background work.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. I would dare to say the writers had no idea the treasure chest that was gonna be Creed.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, now we like to do our areas of interest. Angela, do you wanna kick us off?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I am very excited about mine, and so are people that wrote in. EVA S from Tennessee wrote in and said, one of my favorite things about creed is creedthoughts.gov can you read some of the entries? They are so funny. Thanks. Love you guys. And Elise K. From Minnesota said, I remember reading hilarious blog posts From Creed on NBC's website back in the day. Can you try to find these and discuss them? Well, this was my area of interest. I was so excited. This website is still active, you guys.

[Jenna Fisher]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I found it. Creedthoughts.gov it's there.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's ridiculous.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, you just go to createthoughts.gov it's there.

[Jenna Fisher]

Really?

[Angela Kinsey]

That is nuts.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's crazy.

[Angela Kinsey]

So the blogs were written by our writers and writer's assistants. They were really popular. And when you go to the site, it has a list of blogs. There are entries from May 2007 to August 2008. So there's a lot of blog entries, and they're pretty long. They're full of classic Creedisms. But I grabbed one to share. All right, it is from June 26, 2008. I've always liked uniforms. When I was a kid, I wore sailor suits every day until I was eight. People called me.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Sorry.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, my goodness. Where is this going?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sorry. People called me Captain Crapstick because of how I dress and the fact that I would carry around a stick with me that I use for poking all sorts of crap. I still have my sailor suit hanging proudly in my closet, But I only break it out when a special lady comes over. It doesn't fit so well anymore, but I still look darn cute in it. In my opinion, every job should have a uniform. Fast food workers, gas station attendants, exterminators. These guys all have it covered already. I'm pushing for the jobs that make you waste time every morning deciding what to wear. Take my job, for instance. I know I'm not allowed to wear shorts because every time I do, I get yelled at. I also can't wear vests without shirts underneath. So I'm locked into wearing a certain combination of clothing every day. But there are just too many choices. If it were up to me, I'd implement an office worker uniform. So you could just wake up every morning, go to your uniform closet, and three seconds later, you're all set. My uniform would consist of three items and three items only.

[Jenna Fisher]

This is fascinating. This has gone in so many directions. I've learned so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, right? Navy blue sweatpants. These are the first item because they're the most important. When I go home, the first thing I do is put on navy blue sweatpants. You can't find a more comfortable piece of clothing. I thought this was so relatable. The color is great because you can spill all you want and nobody's the wiser. All in all, if the uniform doesn't include navy blue sweatpants, I don't want the job. Number two, a vest. No shirt required. Vests are amazing inventions. They cover up your nipples, which society has decided are unacceptable to see for some reason. And they're classy. You want to class up a joint, Throw on a vest. You want to add some more class? Make sure that vest is leather. Number three.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wait, I just. So far, we're wearing a leather vest, no shirt, and navy blue sweatpants.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Although if you want a different type of material vest, that's fine.

[Jenna Fisher]

But leather is the classiest. Right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Number three. Final item. Right. Because he only wants three items.

[Jenna Fisher]

Is it shoes?

[Angela Kinsey]

Comfy slippers? Oh, right. After I change into my navy blue sweatpants, I slide on my sheepskin lined slippers. Talk about comfort. These little puppies make it feel like you're walking on a field of soft, paralyzed sheep. I say paralyzed only so you don't picture the sheep as moving. If I could wear slippers to work every day, I'd probably start caring about my job. These three items could change the workplace as we know it. I'm serious, America, just think about how much more productive we would all be as a country if all office workers wore navy blue sweatpants, vests without shirts and comfy slippers. We'd be a comfortably dressed productivity superpower. And honestly, isn't that what all this fighting is about?

[Jenna Fisher]

Anyway, lady, I think someone could wear this as a Halloween costume.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

And have, like, the ultimate deep cut costume. Office costume. Oh, that is brilliant, Jenna. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

If someone wore a vest with navy.

[Jenna Fisher]

Sweatpants, no shirt, and slippers, like sheep lined, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Is that what he said?

[Angela Kinsey]

Sheepskin slippers?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's your Creed costume right there.

[Jenna Fisher]

It sure is.

[Angela Kinsey]

And if you want to be classy, it's a leather vest and you're going.

[Jenna Fisher]

To be quite comfortable. I don't know. Well, what part of the country you live in. You might be a little chilly.

[Angela Kinsey]

But please, if anyone dresses in this Creed outfit for Halloween, will you tag us? I hope we can find it because that's brilliant.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, I would like to have that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, there it was. That was my Creed area of interest. These blogs are hilarious. I could have read them all day. Great job, writers and writer's assistants of the office. I bet they were a lot of fun to write.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, lady, my area of interest was inspired by a fan letter. It is from Elsa S. Who said the character of Creed seems to draw a lot of inspiration from the real life Creed, with the line sometimes blurred between the two. Can you share what aspects of Creed the character are fictional and which are real? Well, lady, it's true. Over the years, we have shared a lot about how Creed's real life often found its way into the character of Creed, but also how sometimes we don't know what's real and what's fiction for sure. So I thought it might be fun to do a little Creedbratten fact or fiction as my area of interest. Well, lady, I thought we should get to the bottom of this and why not just go to the source with Creed? Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so great.

[Jenna Fisher]

I made a list of questions for the real Creed to find out which aspects of his character come from fact, which ones are purely fiction. Why don't we take a break and when we come back, we'll get him in here and we'll ask him my questions and also fan questions from our mailbag.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Cassie Jerkins]

Jen? I was in a hotel a while back. I think it was in New Orleans. And you know, when the office channel comes along, you come back to your room and there's nothing but office stuff, you know.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

So this one episode comes on and you're asking me about the Cartwheel.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yes. I love the Cartwheel moment.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And there's a look on your face when I'm talking. It's the sweetest. I gotta tell you, it's the sweetest look. It's so endearing. You're going and just like my kid or something. I'm just so pleased with dad and I really didn't notice how sweet it was for him. That's so. It's a great little moment there, you know, just little tiny stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is. We all had to pick sort of for the episode today. Our favorite Creed moment. And that is mine.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's Angela's.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so sweet.

[Cassie Jerkins]

It's just. Cause it's so sweet. It really is. I mean, I'm just kind of, oh, I just want to do this thing and I, you know, and. Oh, gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam's really rooting for you.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And she's rooting for me too, you know, it's just great.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, listen, guys, here we are. We've jumped in. Creed is in studio with us. We're already chit chatting.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yep.

[Jenna Fisher]

You guys carpooled together. You told me it was eventful.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, here's the thing. We are neighbors. We shared this before. So Creed's like, just text me and I'll meet you out. So I pull up and he gets in and we start the drive and I went a different way than I normally go. And then I couldn't figure out how to get on the freeway.

[Cassie Jerkins]

You were arguing with Siri.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was arguing with Siri. And then Creed goes, I got this. He was like, all you need is Creed. I was like, all you need is Creed.

[Cassie Jerkins]

That's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Can you put that on a T shirt?

[Jenna Fisher]

Put that on a coffee mug. For sure.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But then she gets on the freeway and there's someone who goes. And she. Come on. What are you doing? And she's just. She drives around to the right. Drives around and flips them. No, I did not. She did not. She did not.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here's the thing. It was the ramp, when you get on, and it says, one car per green. And there's two cars. Green.

[Cassie Jerkins]

You were irate.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was.

[Cassie Jerkins]

You were a little bit.

[Angela Kinsey]

The light turns green. Neither of them go. Neither of them have.

[Cassie Jerkins]

How dare they?

[Angela Kinsey]

And then I guess I got a little sassy.

[Cassie Jerkins]

You did.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Creed goes. Creed said, I think that's Texas attitude in California driving.

[Jenna Fisher]

There's another man.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And I said, but this gets stuff done. Because she just shut around him and just. He was gone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Then Creed started laughing so hard, and we just got so tickled.

[Cassie Jerkins]

It was so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Made me laugh because he was like, you. We have to tell everyone how sassy you are on the freeway. I'm just saying, just abide by the law. Do the things we all are supposed to do.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Turn signals. Turn signals. I'm not going to let you know what you're going to do, people.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, I agree.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

She's not arguing with us.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, she's not.

[Jenna Fisher]

Creed, I want to kick things off. I have some questions for you. And these are things about your character, Creed Bratton, that we would like to know if they are also true about you, the real Creed Bratton, because, you know, your character blurred the lines of fact and fiction.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Sometimes it's confusing being me.

[Jenna Fisher]

It is.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I speak of myself in the third person a lot because sometimes I don't even know where I'm coming from. Well, I question my own motives.

[Jenna Fisher]

This should be an interesting section then.

[Cassie Jerkins]

It should be.

[Jenna Fisher]

We'll see what happens.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I'm anxious to see what he's gonna say.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay, well, here's the first question. Were you in a band called the Grassroots?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes. Yes, I was.

[Jenna Fisher]

We know. This is true.

[Cassie Jerkins]

This is true. I think they know this. The fans. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So that is fact.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Fact. That's what we're saying. Fact. Fact.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

So how long were you in the band?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Fact. No, I was in the band. I did four albums. So it was four years.

[Jenna Fisher]

A very. Wow.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Four albums in four years.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Four albums we were doing. We put an album out a year.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Y' all were busy.

[Cassie Jerkins]

We were busy.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay, here's the next question. Did you ever have a radio show called Wacky? Weed, Creed, not fact. Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Total figure.

[Cassie Jerkins]

That's Oscar. Oscar thought that, but he was wrong.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Were you in an iron lung as a teenager?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Briefly.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wait, what?

[Angela Kinsey]

No. Come on.

[Cassie Jerkins]

No, no. Okay. I wasn't. I wasn't.

[Angela Kinsey]

But do you see how you had us? This was what it was like being on set with you. Because we'd be like, really? And then you'd start laughing.

[Cassie Jerkins]

When I was a kid, I would do this all the time for just a defense mechanism to tell stories all of my life. And sometimes I would get people and they would believe people. I have this innate ability to make people believe what I say, as you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And some people would find out that I was kidding, they would get angry sometimes. You know, I finally had. There was a period of time where.

[Angela Kinsey]

I had to stop just joshing around.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Joshing around. Because people took it, too. I was, you know, just being a. Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, next one. Have you ever grown or eaten mung beans in real life?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I have. I've done both.

[Jenna Fisher]

Really?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes. I've eaten them, I've praised them. I've had little shrines for mung beans in my home. It's kind of like a worship thing, actually. Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Where's. Is this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is there any part of this that's true?

[Cassie Jerkins]

No, but mung beans are. You know, I think I like alfalfa and radish sprouts more than mung beans. But I do. There's a slight smart subcockle of my heart that likes mung beans.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're a very healthy eater.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I am. And I watch what I eat, you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Did you really eat mung beans on the Office? Did they give you actual mung beans? Did you eat every.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Well, during the scenes?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, you. Right.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But I did eat them.

[Jenna Fisher]

And what did they say?

[Cassie Jerkins]

And I ate that potato, by the way, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did? The raw potato.

[Jenna Fisher]

I talked about that when they switch out the apple for the potatoes.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I absolutely ate the raw potato. And I couldn't tell that much difference, you know, because I don't have a really great sense of spell.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, wait, that's.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I chomped right down on that.

[Angela Kinsey]

And now, wait. What does a mung bean taste like? I've never had one.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Memorable. Some memorable. There's something used to be sung back in the 50s. Memorable mung beans. I recall now. It's memorable mung beans. I can't remember the exact melody of it now, but it's kind of like spring that's gone a little rancid.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's.

[Angela Kinsey]

It sounds like that Sounds gross.

[Jenna Fisher]

A bean that has turned mung bean. It sounds like maybe some fermenting.

[Cassie Jerkins]

That's exactly what it is, Jen. It's a fermented bean.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay?

[Cassie Jerkins]

But it's a fresh. And the irony, too. It's a brand new. Fresh, brand new, germinating out, starting its life. But it's already rancid at the start of its life.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hmm. Okay.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Kind of like some people's careers. But anyway, here we go.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, next question. Do you have a daughter?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I have a daughter, Ami.

[Jenna Fisher]

Do you have. How many kids do you have?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I have two children.

[Jenna Fisher]

You have a son and a daughter.

[Cassie Jerkins]

A son and a daughter.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bo and Ami.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Bo and Ami.

[Angela Kinsey]

And now you're a grandpa, and I'm a grandpa, so. Great.

[Jenna Fisher]

Have you ever been in a cult that you know of?

[Cassie Jerkins]

What are the statute of limitations on stuff like this?

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, no.

[Cassie Jerkins]

There was a time. There was a time that people put me up to, like, a white robe, I recall, and burned some incense. Well, right now, as you know, there is a cult of creed because of the show. There's no joke.

[Jenna Fisher]

I guess you are the leader of a cult now.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Well, right now, maybe I was when I was younger, but right now I am a leader of a cult because there's the cult of Creed. And my lawyer recently, there's people all over the world now. Anytime you can see the office, they've started a little cult. There's a little thing there where they burn incense, you know, Creed, Creed. Creed. They chant my name. I was in Norway. This is no joke. My lawyer said there was a heavy metal group there that's part of the cult of Creed. They've sacrificed a small animal in your name. What?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Cassie Jerkins]

And I had to call them and said, look, I appreciate the gesture, but cease and desist. You can't do this. Can't do it. It's horrible.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't hurt anything in my life.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Don't hurt anything.

[Jenna Fisher]

I know it's horrible because that's not you. No, you would not want that.

[Cassie Jerkins]

No, I would not want that. You know, I mean, the thought of it that they did that for me was moving, but not. Not what they did. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Their. Their passion for your character.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Their passion for my character. Yes. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is any of that true, what you just said? Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fisher]

Read again.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dang it.

[Jenna Fisher]

What are you doing?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Boom.

[Angela Kinsey]

At the very end, you had that twinkle in your eye of a bitch.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Remember the thing I said about believed it?

[Jenna Fisher]

We believe it every time.

[Angela Kinsey]

You were just in Norway, so I thought, oh, I don't know, maybe.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, that's such a beautiful country, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I've heard it's really pretty, man.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Lovely. Lovely. Clean. So clean.

[Angela Kinsey]

With no creepy cults.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And there's no creepy cults. No one has sacrificed any animals, folks, in my name? Not that I know of.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, next question. Are you good at chess?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I can play. Because you got that hard. I'm not going to beat Rain or my son, but I can play a small child who's just learned. They've just shown him the basic moves. He's still working to work with the word move the night and stuff like that. He probably beat him.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay. Can you scuba?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I used to until I broke my eardrum.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, how did you break your eardrum?

[Cassie Jerkins]

This is the truth now. This is true. I was horsing around in a pool with a bunch of friends in college for the water polo team, and for some of you, throwing through a football. So we were starting to play football in a pool. Not a good idea. And we didn't have our little. Those days, you don't have the protective things for years they have for water polo players. Cover your ears. So I just caught an elbow, broke the. Broke the eardrum. And then I was still able to scuba dive. And I got it. I had a scuba. I had the whole thing. Scuba dive. Yes. Then I was in Hawaii with my son, and I was in the water. We're going down, and we were just snorkeling, and the woman next to me dropped her mask and her snorkel, being a gentleman, I went down after to get it for her. I went down too far. Pow. Broke the tympanic membrane again. And now it's just messed up.

[Jenna Fisher]

What is that like for you when you fly in an airplane with the air pressure?

[Cassie Jerkins]

It's not bad. That bad. It's just like anything else. You still have to clear a little more, but not bad. But I came up and I could see, and I couldn't find my way back to the surface because I was. And I was panicking a little because my body wouldn't go in the direction that I was trying to swim.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I got up there, and Beau was laughing. He said, did you get it? He looks at me, said, dad, you're white. And I went, oh. He jumped in, and I was panicking.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was scary.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

You lost your sense of balance and I lost direction. Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wow.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah. But I'm okay now, folks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right. Do you have four toes on one of your feet?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I have. I was. Yes, I do. On my right Foot. I was.

[Jenna Fisher]

No, no, no. I know this one. You have 10 toes. Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

How do you know? You haven't seen my feet.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't. I've seen your feet. I've seen your feet. Okay. You were barefoot. I think in the finale, when we find out you're homeless and you've been living in the office.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. I'll be sure they're all there.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're brushing your teeth and you're in your towel or something.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Okay. But the better story is that I was in Scandinavia again at a clog dancing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stop it.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And some drunk Viking stomped on my toe and broke it. And then just a hole with hairy feet. That covers the hole. That's what I said to Steve in the scene. It's an ad lib. Do you remember that? There's a little ad lib under my voice going like. Well, the hair. I said the hair covers it up most of the time.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yes, the hair covers it up.

[Cassie Jerkins]

The.

[Jenna Fisher]

Not the part about the clogging and stuff. No, no, no, no, no.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I should have. That came later. Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay. All right, my final fact or fiction question. Can you catch a fish with your bare hands?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Boy, that would be really. They're so slippery.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Now I really doubt it. Unless you're Bruce. Bruce Lee probably could.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

If he was around someone like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Someone falls super quick.

[Cassie Jerkins]

He'd have to go. He'd have to go like this and get a finger up in the mouth.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, like that. I'm impressed that you came up with how to do it so quickly.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I think that's exactly what you'd have to do.

[Jenna Fisher]

So smart.

[Cassie Jerkins]

If you tried to grab by the tail. This had a big, spiky tail. You could grab it like this and go. The tail would stop like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know why I think you know this, right? I'll never forget, during the pandemic, we would trade texts about, what are you watching? What are you binge watching? And Creed was like, alone. You got to see it, Ang. You got to watch alone.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I love that stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

So then Josh and I get into it, and we start watching it, and I'm texting Creed, and I was like, josh wants you to know he'll never look at a small animal the same way again. Because they're all so hungry. It's like a squirrel. Anything they can get.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, yeah, it's a meat. It's a barbecue thing, you know?

[Jenna Fisher]

So they're out there just catching fish by hand and trying to trap animals.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're Making their own nets and stuff. And they're trying to trap animals because they're so hungry.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Twice in my life, when Beau was little, we were fishing, bass fishing. This is before I got into trout fishing. And I look at him like this. Hey, Bo. And we turn. I go on a turtle, the water just like this. Second time I'm with a guy. This is before way for the office and after the grassroots. I'm working. We're just doing labor work size, cutting down fields for fire, fire breaks, stuff like that. And I look down these two holes like this, and I go, hey, Ray. He's down the road like this. And I go. I have gloves on like this. And I look and I drop the scythe like this. Quietly, I go up through the holes and I go. And this is this honest to God truth. I go. And I grab two squirrels, swirling each hand like this and holding them up like this. All the other guys working there going, how in the hell did you do that? It was a hero moment, so you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Probably could grab a fish. Back in the day, though, I would.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Say I had some reflection.

[Jenna Fisher]

You were swirling two squirrels with your bare hands.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I did, girls.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I did. I'm kind of proud of that, actually. You can see I'm kind of chuffed, as the English would say.

[Jenna Fisher]

I didn't know that squirrels lived in holes in the ground.

[Cassie Jerkins]

They do.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are squirrels that they burn.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Ground squirrels.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ground squirrels. And they're smaller. And we actually are having a thing in our backyard. They're burrowing in all these little places.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Social media is not much on the ground. Squirrels, they're more the popular ones with the Vidal Sassoon coats and stuff. They get all the press.

[Angela Kinsey]

They get all the good press.

[Jenna Fisher]

You guys, I have a weird question. Sure. And this is something that I muse about with my family. My kids are annoyed by this question, but I am haunted by it. Oh, and it has to do with squirrels and birds. Where are all of the dead squirrels and the dead birds?

[Angela Kinsey]

Where are they?

[Jenna Fisher]

Why don't we see them?

[Cassie Jerkins]

The crows, where do you go? The ravens.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, other animals come and eat them.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah, other animals come and pick them up.

[Jenna Fisher]

Like, why don't. Where are they? Are they dead in the tree? Are they dead in the ground?

[Cassie Jerkins]

They're in their bellies.

[Jenna Fisher]

Like, where are they?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Well, like the ravens. If you see stuff on the side of the road, you see the ravens down there. Take. Take cleaning them up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I guess that's true. I mean, I. This is really gross. But there's a hawk that kind of Lives in my neighbor's tree. And I walked out one day, like, to go to my little garage office, and there were, like, innards just in the. Like the pavers. Like little tiny intestine. Little, tiny. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And Josh was like, I bet the hawk got a squirrel or something.

[Jenna Fisher]

But I'm saying, like, birds and squirrels who have died by natural causes or suicide.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, God.

[Jenna Fisher]

Right? You don't know.

[Cassie Jerkins]

You don't know. We don't know. We don't know.

[Jenna Fisher]

So not something that was prey, but like something like a very old bird or something or a disease. Like a squirrel that died of a.

[Angela Kinsey]

Disease and no one wants to eat it and it's just dead somewhere.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, I don't know. I mean, I think, Creed, you kind of answered the question, which is that when an animal dies, another animal will eat that dead animal, I guess.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Well, if the animal's there, let's say it's old. It's writing its memoirs. That little nagging cough. And then, boom, it's done.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's over.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Like that. Are the hawks and the ravens watching him? You know, checking their watches?

[Jenna Fisher]

I don't feel like soaping today. I'm just going to wait it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Raven's got his little fitbit on.

[Jenna Fisher]

He's like, well, I just wondered if in all of your nature show watching, if they explain where squirrels and birds go to die.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I can tell you this interesting story. I'm at my backyard on Ethel, and I lived on Ethel in Longridge when the show was on. And I was out at the pool one day, and I was sitting out there having my green tea after work, and I look up at the ewes of the house and there's a little bird nest in there with little baby birds. And all of a sudden I saw this squirrel come the house goes down a pipe comes over, grabs a baby bird. Cause squirrels will eat baby birds.

[Jenna Fisher]

Eye sales are terrible.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Squirrels, you don't know this. People don't know this.

[Angela Kinsey]

A hummingbird right outside my window.

[Cassie Jerkins]

They're the evil creatures in the world.

[Jenna Fisher]

They are mean and they're terrible.

[Cassie Jerkins]

They should be boycott a lot of things, but squirrels should be right on the list, you know? I know. I'm with you, Jen.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're vicious. Well, on that note, squirrels are evil. I would like to kick off our fan Q and A.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, let's do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lady fans wrote in Creed, they love you so much. Let's start with Oliver T. From Wolverhampton, England, who says, I love Creed. He is my favorite character. In the show and didn't get nearly enough screen time. My question is, what was his favorite creed, moment or storyline?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Man, just. There's so, you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, I know.

[Cassie Jerkins]

There's just so many. And by the way, Wolverton Walton.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wolverhampton.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Wolverhampton. Yes, sir. I used to think, well, you know, I get capable of doing more stuff. I should get more. In retrospect, the lines they gave me just the right amount. Was perfect. It was perfect. Too much, A little bit more, I would have lost the appeal, I think, you know, I think it was just. I thought about this a lot. It turned out just right. Absolutely perfect. Oh, boy. Well, I have to say, obviously the. I enjoyed. It was scary. A scary, you know, baptism by fire. The scene with the Halloween episode with Steve at his rate of speed that he works at, you know, and not knowing what was going to happen, that was very satisfying. But all the little bits, you know which ones, Pam, you know, did Michael get his new chair yet? You know, the. The thing with you with the nickels and said, what do you know? What are you doing? Yeah, well, he had this bag of nickels. You're a useless.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And you're like, don't worry about Andrea. She's the office.

[Cassie Jerkins]

She's the office bitch. Yes. Stuff like that I'm getting. And everything would be the manager when I was driving the Porsche and playing the finale. But it's all those little bits just to keep going. The fodder that kept going. I got such joy out of it and I laughed just like you did. Every time we'd have a table read, I'd get to see, oh, boy, I just can't wait to do this line, you know? Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, we did get a fan question from Leighton R. In Folsom, California, who said you time as acting manager in season seven is a fan favorite moment. And Leighton wants to hear, did you enjoy that spotlight or did you prefer being the mysterious side character?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, I think I just said it, didn't I?

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, you did. You said you liked it.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I did like it. I certainly enjoyed driving the. The Porsche.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Really? Have you ever had. You ever driven a car like that?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah, I had one. I had a Porsche back in my grassroots days.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, you've always loved a zippy car.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I do like a zippy car and I still have a zippy car.

[Angela Kinsey]

I've ridden with you in your zippy car. I'm not going to talk about how you drive.

[Cassie Jerkins]

No, no, you're right, you're right. But. But Matt, a lot of people don't know this. You normally have sandbags and a barricade. And he'd be behind a barricade just in case there'd be a stop for the tires. On any shoot normally, Matt was just standing there with the camera. The camera. And I come up there right in front of him like that. He trusted me. And I said, are you sure? He said, I trust you. Are you sure? I trust you. And we did it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dang.

[Cassie Jerkins]

So good, old man.

[Jenna Fisher]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I didn't know that.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Most people would never do that normally.

[Jenna Fisher]

You know, Creed, there are a lot of your moments that ended up getting deleted for time, which is true of all of us. But there are Reddit threads upon Reddit threads dedicated to Creed. Deleted scenes. You are like the favorite character for deleted scenes and deleted moments.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Really?

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, my gosh. Yes. So many fun ones.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Wow.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. And I think a lot of those are being added back to the Peacock Superfan episodes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And that's gonna be so fun.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah, that's amazing. You know?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Greg, when I. When I. We couldn't use the Booze Cruise, when I played the guitar.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. That was one of them.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But just too long.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

He said, it's so good. He said, treat it so good, but just too long. I said, I hope you understand, but we love it. But it's just too long, you know?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

A little tidbit there. I recorded it the night before at the studio with Dylan o' Brien and Bob Thiel. That's Grantones.

[Jenna Fisher]

Sure.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And then I used. I just came in the studio and he had his left handed strap. So I just. The way he plays, it's different than a lot of left handers. So I just turned it over like this and played. Played for it. So when you see me playing that left handed guitar, a lot of people say, well, he's a right hander. He wouldn't be playing that guitar. So that's the explanation.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a little nugget there.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And also we were going to play it live, but we realized out there the reverb's gonna be bouncing on the amps and stuff. It was logistically impossible. We had to mime it. We had to mime it, you know, And I really wanted to play live. Yeah, it's okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

But you got to eventually play live on the set, which was so beautiful.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes, yes. And that's one of the most touching moments when the fans are there at my show and I close with all the faces, you know, and I get. I get. I'm looking out at The. You know, it's just. It's. It's amazing. The emotional connection from. It's not the song. The song is good, but without the Office, we're saying goodbye to all of us. We're saying goodbye to us. And that. That song gets that emotion out of people. It's. It's powerful.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a beautiful moment.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, fan question from one of our very own office ladies members, Ainsley. She wants to know, what did you do on your computer while other cast members were filming scenes?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Spider solitaire.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah. Spider solitaire. That's what I. That. Cause I didn't have a working computer. I think only Oscar had one for a long time in the beginning, but I think eventually everybody got one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, everybody got one eventually.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I didn't ever. No, I don't think so. Maybe I did.

[Jenna Fisher]

So you never had Internet. You just had the solitaire game?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I'm demented somewhat because of that, you know, facial tip and stuff. I can't believe that I. I might have.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is it possible that you got Internet and didn't know and no one told. No one told you?

[Cassie Jerkins]

That's probably the case.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you're so. I was like, oh, my gosh, Creed, the way you were positioned in the bullpen, no one could see your computer.

[Jenna Fisher]

Who knows what he did?

[Angela Kinsey]

And you only played solitaire.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, that's.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I wrote a lot of music on that show.

[Jenna Fisher]

You did?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I was in the green room. Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I was always grabbing that guitar and going to the green room, waiting for, you know, everybody to show up. And I wrote a bunch of. I wrote two albums in that green room, basically, and my trailer.

[Angela Kinsey]

I didn't know that.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, let's see. We have a fan question from Sabrina S. And her fiance Joey from Chicago, Illinois. And they said. Our question for Creed, who has clearly had and continues to have such an iconic life, what do you consider to be one of your biggest accomplishments?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Gosh. Well, it has to be. The. The road I was going down in my life. I'm going to get modeling here or anything with my family and all my debaucheries and stuff, you know, back in my rock and roll days, that now I have such a tight, loving family with such support from the family, it turns out to be. All this other stuff is wonderful, but that family connection is so strong, that gives me most joy and my friendships, my friends. And I'm now putting my hands out at my two girls who are like my daughters from the show, basically. And you always were kind of. In a way, I always felt that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we talked about this earlier, Creed, that our text thread with you, the three of us brings us such joy. We can always count on you for a cat video.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Or just how you refer to us. You always call Jenna Jen, you call me Pumpkin, and you call yourself Granddad. Creed and Creed.

[Cassie Jerkins]

It's true. Yeah. Lucky us. Lucky us.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lucky us. Yeah. Well, Creed, okay, more questions. More questions for you. But you're just such a delight. I'm just. From the minute, like when I pulled up, he said, I just have a spring in my step today.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yep. Good to get to see you guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

Getting to see us. So sweet. Okay, Creed, did you keep anything from the set after the series ended?

[Cassie Jerkins]

You know, a sprinter van, a couple of cameras, sound. Some sound Nagra, sound recorders, you know, like that. But, you know, I can. By the way, if you can get a hold of me, I can sell them to you at a little discount. Oh, no, I saved the. The little samurai warrior with the fat samurai warrior with the fan.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Fan on my desk. I have that on my mantle.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's cool.

[Jenna Fisher]

They gave it.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But I asked permission. Not like the character. I actually went to production. Say, can I. Of course. Of course. And the suit that I wore in the finale, when I'm in the.

[Angela Kinsey]

The white.

[Cassie Jerkins]

That kind of a gray. That kind of linen suit, the little purple thing. And they're very. It was tailored for me and stuff, too. They just gave that to me, so I got to keep that. So that. Let me think about that. So the. Yeah, the samurai guy and the couple of. And maybe a picture. There might be a picture from the wall there. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

You had a bunch of plaques on me.

[Cassie Jerkins]

They made. They came up with pictures of me and my kids and stuff. And. And put them. But we all have that, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

That was so great about the show. They put personal stuff up on the desk. You know.

[Jenna Fisher]

You also had that Dustbuster on the wall next to you.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes, I never used it. I never used. Somebody else would always come by when I. When I do my show and I sing the. The office theme, I talk about you and Phyllis. And I always say, you know. You know, Phyllis and Angela were the. The planning committee. You know, a lot of people don't this. That Phyllis and Angela are method actors. So with. So art, design and props, and people would come in and want to set the office up for the. No, Phyllis. They'd chase them all out. Then you guys would do all the work. We'd be home at night after Showers and dinner. You'd still be there setting up the office for the next day. And of course they go, oh, it's probably true.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's no telling what people believe about.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Us because I, I, they nod just like they're, they're getting it, you know, of course they would. They're acting, you know. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Someone asked me one time, they were like, Creed said, You're 4 11, but I think you're a little taller. Are you telling people I'm 4 11?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Sometimes 3 11, 411. I know. It's just changes around on stage.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, guys, whatever Creed says on stage, don't believe it's true or believe.

[Jenna Fisher]

But with like a grain of salt.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Cassie Jerkins]

It's there for your amusement, folks.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, Creed. Up next, we're going to do our call sheet questions. Okay, number one, what was your first job in entertainment?

[Cassie Jerkins]

1964 and I became an extra on camera on a movie called Cast a Giant Shadow with Mel Shavelson. And the director, I fell in love with his daughter Lynn, and we had an affair in the Greek Islands after that. But in the movie. The movie was Frank Sinatra, John Wayne, Yul Brynner, Senta Burger. And it was the Colonel Mickey Marcus. Kirk Douglas was played Colonel Mickey Marcus. The Israeli war for independence.

[Jenna Fisher]

What did you have to do during your.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I was an English. I was there a background.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But I got paid. I was in a uniform and played a British soldier. A British soldier standing there. An attention length, and the camera came by.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, wow.

[Cassie Jerkins]

My first movie.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a lot of big names.

[Cassie Jerkins]

It's a huge movie.

[Jenna Fisher]

If you watch the movie, can you find yourself in the scene?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes, yes. The side of my face. Okay, there's an interesting story from that. I'm standing on the set and leaning against this wall. Frank Sinatra is there, and he sees me over there and I'm like, wow, it's Frank Sinatra. He comes over to me like this, you know, and he goes, hey, kid. You know, he said, that wall is going to explode here in a little bit with squibs in there like that. You might want to just. Oh. And I said, well, thank you, Mr. Stein. It's all right. So he just, he pushed me, pulled me away from the thing so I wouldn't get blown up, you know. Thank you, Frank.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow, that's such a cool story that you had a conversation with Frank Sinatra.

[Cassie Jerkins]

That's life. That's my life, perhaps.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wow. All right, here is a question. Can you tell us all of the musical instruments that you play?

[Cassie Jerkins]

It won't take long.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Guitar, a little bit of piano and very little bit of mandolin.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And a trumpet. I played trumpet for over 10, 12 years as a kid. That was my first instrument was trumpet. Trumpet, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not know that.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

That list is longer than our list, Creed.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's right.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But guitar is it. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You have so many. When you go to your place, you have like a wall of guitars.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pretty cool. All right, what's a place that you've been to that you absolutely loved?

[Cassie Jerkins]

So many? Iceland. You're going there, but I drove around for two weeks. No navigation, no maps or anything. Just drove. Right. Because it's an island, so you can't get really lost, you know. Fascinating, Fascinating place. I love. And I've gone back numerous times with my son, the Sacramento river out of Reading and taking it all you can. And you own also the Klamath river at the Oregon, California border.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because you guys go fishing.

[Cassie Jerkins]

We go fishing every year, practically. Yeah. And we go there back. I love it. I just love being on the river. The serenity, the beauty and the fish, the beautiful fish. It's all catch and release barbless hooks.

[Angela Kinsey]

That sounds so peaceful.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yep, yep, yep. I think the fish look forward to being caught with us.

[Angela Kinsey]

You want to just chat for a second?

[Cassie Jerkins]

We talk and see what's going on. You love the commercial tree. Thank you. Then vote back to your kids. All right.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, next question. What do you like to do on the weekends?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Well, I'm pretty boring. I'm pretty boring now. I read my books and I play my guitar and write my songs and do my yoga, swim. So I'll be one of those. I'll be swimming, doing yoga, you know, I like to go to Hugo's and have my almond energy pancakes, you know, meet my friends there and you know that place.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love Hugo's.

[Cassie Jerkins]

We love Hugo's.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

They came in one day and said, hey, you were in. I went, well, there you go. She knows a good pancake. Obviously.

[Jenna Fisher]

So what kind of books do you like? Do you like fiction, nonfiction? Both.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Both. Both.

[Jenna Fisher]

Do you have something you've read recently that you like? We love to give out book shout outs.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I can't. I'm not really good at the names anymore. I basically, for a while, though, I have just written a book, a western. It's on Amazon right now with my friend Nathan Edmondson, called Buffalo.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I wrote a book. We took two years to write the book. I had an eye, in fact, about Hugo's. I was sitting at Hugo's one day and this writer came by who was Nathan and he said hey, I just want to tell you a big fan. And I said I like because he was intelligent guy. Right off the bat I went sit down, we started talking. He had a deal with Paramount for a couple of scripts and I told him this idea I had and next thing we know we are shaking hands to write this thing together.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you did.

[Cassie Jerkins]

And we did. And it's out now folks. Buffalo.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love a western. I'll go check that out.

[Cassie Jerkins]

So I, I getting back to your point, Jen, I read all the, the Cormac McCarthy, the Larry McMurtrys, the Louis Lamours. Yeah, I love all those westerns. Sci fi, Neil Stephenson, William Gibson. I just finished Hyperion for the second time. That's an amazing sci fi.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, last question. Favorite midnight snack?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I don't eat at night.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's why I know this.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I don't. At six o' clock when the sun goes down and there's no food after that, you know?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You don't eat after six?

[Cassie Jerkins]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then your first meal in the morning, what is that?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I will have been recently I used to just have a cup of coffee and then write for a while, you know. But now I've been getting into these little gluten free blueberry muffins. A trout turned me onto them. But there's a place I go to, Garlis, it's called that. I go down there and get these gluten free blueberry muffins with my coffee. Then I go home and then I write for about an hour, then I'll have breakfast, you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do you write in a journal?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I write longhand. Yeah. And then I put it. But I've started to kind of know that I'm just, I'm wasting a lot of time writing longhand. And I didn't think I could do it other ways but now I'm starting to kind of slowly type. But it's like, it's like a chicken, chicken, chicken stuff, you know, it gets it. That's probably just as fast as writing longhand.

[Angela Kinsey]

How long have you kept a journal?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, a long time. Yeah, I think it's really important because the song lyrics are on there notes and I have, I have a. In my day planner I have all the things I'm supposed to do. And then at night I'll look at my day planner and I'll write out a little notebook plan and put it up in the, in the kitchen.

[Angela Kinsey]

Your cheat sheet?

[Cassie Jerkins]

The cheat sheet. This Is what you. Yeah, that's a short, abbreviated version of what I'm going to do that day so that I could get the satisfaction of checking off that and then going to the planner and checking it again.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Double check accomplishment. Double check accomplishment.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, before we let you go, we got this letter from Juliana R. In New York who said, creed came to my college as our fall comedian. And it was so exciting getting to listen to his music and hear him speak. I was on the activities council board, so I even got to take a picture with him. What a gem. And it's true, Creed, your live shows are so great. Have you had a recent live show, or do you have one coming up that you can share about?

[Cassie Jerkins]

I did a show recently with Rain and his guest with Pete Holmes. I sang three songs, and I think he's used one of them. One of my new songs. Yeah. I go out, I'll be going in October to Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore and Japan, and for the month of October, So I'll be doing. Doing my shows then, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's amazing. And on the drive in, you pointed out a place and you're like, I play there.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Baked Potato.

[Angela Kinsey]

I played Potato.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I played there for a long time. Coming in, just doing like four songs with the very talented Tim Hockenberry and his band. And now I have a band called the Work with Dylan o', Brien, Charlie Faragher, Davey Faragger, Sebastian Lorenz, they call the Work. We just did Jam in the van. Jam in the van. And we played. We just played. Also myself, a solo show. Two solo shows with the band at the Baked Potato. And we will be going back there. I'll let you know. I want to come down. It's a fun little room.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Venerable jazz room. But of course, I'm Creeds pop pop and folky stuff, but they allow me to play.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so great. Well, one last thing, because you said this in the car and we said we would talk about it, which is Creed told me, you know, years ago, I would have these Yankee swap Christmas parties with the cast, and they would come over, and I haven't had one in a long time. Jenna, you've started having some with your family, but that big get together of the cast, you know, life happened, kids and just busyness. And he got in the car and he's like, I just want you to know I've been holding on to a Yankee swap gift I bought for 15 years for your next party.

[Cassie Jerkins]

True. Because right off the bail, I loved.

[Angela Kinsey]

It so much, and I was like, What? And he goes, I'm ready. You gotta have your Yankee swap party and tell them what it is.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I'm at a. What do they call it? A pawn shop or something like that. And I look down there and what it is. It's a toilet fishing. Toilet fishing game. We sit on the toilet, and you lay this thing of a piece of paper. It's a lake. So. Lake. And you spread it out on the floor, and then it's got little fish, little magnet fish, and it's got a fishing rod. And you go like this. You're on the toilet and you go. And you drag. Drag the bait. You catch the fish. So you're fishing on the toilet. And I said, I. Really? Because everyone will want this for sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's been holding onto it for, like, a decade.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, it's sitting in my. In my garage. It won't get rid of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right.

[Cassie Jerkins]

But I know it's going to happen.

[Jenna Fisher]

Make a suggestion. It doesn't have to be December to have a fun Yankee swap.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is true.

[Jenna Fisher]

Like, let's pick a time.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I gotta get this out of my life.

[Jenna Fisher]

December. Yeah, let's. This party needs to happen early. It's gonna be office reunion, cast, friends, slash Yankee swap.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yankee swap.

[Jenna Fisher]

July.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

I don't know.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Maybe so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. All right. All right, all right.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, my gosh, girls, it's always. It's just a joy seeing you both. I love you both. You know that. Thank you for having me. And thanks for all the fans for those kind words. And, oh, Creed's a lucky guy. Thank you.

[Jenna Fisher]

We love you, Creed.

[Cassie Jerkins]

I love you guys.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, lady, I just loved having Creed in studio with us.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did, too.

[Jenna Fisher]

It was such a treat. And as we finish up today, we got a fan letter from Jamie T. In Arizona. I really liked this. Jamie said, I have a theory as to what happened to Creed after the final episode. Oh, I think after being taken away by the police, he jumped bail, used his passport with his name, William Charles Schneider, and fled the country. He could now be living in a country with no extradition treaty with the United States and is the leader of a cult to make money.

[Angela Kinsey]

Probably not far off.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Probably pretty great, Jamie.

[Jenna Fisher]

But, lady, did the NBC website say what Creed is up to?

[Angela Kinsey]

I couldn't find it. Oh, no. I searched. If someone else out there found it on the NBC website, let me know. I got tons of clips of Creed, but I couldn't find, like, a where is he now? Thing.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

But I did find this great article on collider with a quote from Creed Bratton in real life about what he thinks happened to the character Creed. Okay, so I thought I would share that. So this article kind of breaks down everyone's final moments on the show, and Collider's like, you know, everyone gets kind of a happy ending except for Creed, who gets handcuffed and is presumably going to prison for the crimes he's committed.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So Collider says. You would think the logical place for Creed now is prison. But here is what Creed Bratton, the actor, thinks. In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times in 2019, Bratton speculated about the character's future, saying he never stayed in jail long. He got out pretty fast. He went on to suggest that Creed would have gotten pity from a talented defense attorney, scammed his way to freedom, and continued doing probably the illegal things that Creed does best. And honestly, Bratton makes a good point. After all, Creed got away with it this long, so why wouldn't he be able to escape justice again?

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, this is not too far off from Jamie's theories.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly.

[Jenna Fisher]

But, Cassie, you said that when you were walking Creed out, he had an idea of where we might be able to see Creed again, which I thought was pretty fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Will you share your conversation?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. I was like, oh, I would love to know what Creed is up to, and maybe we'll get to know through the paper. And he was saying that he pitched to Greg that maybe in one episode, we just see him working in the background at a random office. So, like, I guess we just have to really be looking in the background for a Creed catch.

[Angela Kinsey]

That would make me so happy. Yes. If Creed was just somewhere in the deep background. Maybe he's at Softies, the toilet paper company.

[Jenna Fisher]

Or you know what I would love? I would love to see him, like, delivering someone's meal at that little place where they eat lunch in the building.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Maybe he catches the documentary crew and immediately runs away.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's like, not again.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, well, everyone, thank you so much for sending in your questions for all about Creed. And thank you to Creed for coming in and spending this afternoon with us.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, and we want to give a shout out to a project for Creed he shared with us. He performed in the YouTube series called Jam in the Van. It's a series where musicians perform in a van, and he's really great in it. We'll add it to our stories.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Such a fun day. I love our job. I love the cast of the Office, and I love our office Ladies community. Thank you guys so much.

[Jenna Fisher]

See you next week. See you next week. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fisher]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainslie Bubaco.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese Dennis.

[Jenna Fisher]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

[Jenna Fisher]

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