All About Pam Beesley

Summary

Office Ladies Podcast Summary Episode: All About Pam Beesley
Release Date: March 5, 2025

Introduction In the latest episode of Office Ladies, hosts Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey celebrate Jenna's birthday by diving deep into the beloved character Pam Beesley from The Office. This special episode not only honors Jenna's milestone but also provides fans with an extensive exploration of Pam's character, enriched with behind-the-scenes insights and personal anecdotes from the hosts.

Birthday Celebration and Set-Up The episode kicks off with a festive atmosphere as Angela surprises Jenna with thoughtful birthday gifts, including a subscription to the independent bookstore Just the Right Book and handmade earrings from Redleaf Studio. Jenna expresses her excitement, stating, "I love supporting this independent bookstore" (04:52) and "It really does" (04:47). This celebration sets the tone for an episode centered around generosity and friendship.

Pam Beesley Show Bible Breakdown Angela presents a comprehensive breakdown of Pam Beesley's character using the show bible—a compilation of facts revealed throughout the series. She details Pam's full name, Pamela Morgan Halpert (formerly Beasley), her background, skills, and quirks. Notable attributes include her ability to type 90 words per minute, change a tire alone, and her passion for volleyball. Angela humorously notes, "She has the lowest sales record in the office and the worst attitude" (10:24), adding a playful critique of Pam's early career struggles.

Exploring Pam's Sass A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Pam's sass—her sharp comebacks and witty interactions with colleagues. Angela shares memorable Pam sassy moments, such as her retort to Kevin about the new copier:
"Pam, when will the new copier be ready?"
"Kev, you said it would be ready by today, and it is today. It’ll be ready soon. Soon could mean any. Anything soon. Could be three weeks. Is that what soon means to you? Sometimes. Then come back soon." (30:22)

Other highlights include Pam flipping off Jim by drawing the middle finger when he makes fun of her belief in ghosts, showcasing her ability to blend humor with sincerity.

Favorite Pam Moments Jenna and Angela share their favorite Pam moments from the series. Jenna highlights the emotional depth in Pam's acceptance speech at the Dundies:
"I have so many people to thank for this award... I didn't know you were gonna kiss me that night. One needs to prepare for these things." (25:02)
Angela fondly recalls Pam winning the "Whitest Sneakers" Dundee, emphasizing the heartfelt and humorous dialogue crafted for the character.

Fan Theory: Pam as the Documentary's Focus Angela delves into a popular fan theory suggesting that Pam Beesley was the primary focus of the documentary crew within The Office. She presents several points supporting this theory:

1. Emotional Anchor: Pam serves as the emotional support for nearly every character, making her central to the office dynamics.
2. Legacy at Dunder Mifflin: Pam's mural in the Dunder Mifflin Warehouse symbolizes her lasting impact.
3. Evidence from Interviews: Articles and fan analyses, such as one from CBR.com, argue that Pam's character development and the placement of her final line in the series posits her as the main subject.

Jenna concurs, sharing that Greg Daniels, the show's creator, affirmed Pam's significance in the documentary's narrative arc.

Q&A Session: Fan Questions on Pam The hosts engage with fan-submitted questions, providing thoughtful and candid responses:

• Naming of Pam Beasley: Jenna reveals that Pam's name was chosen for its Midwestern sweetness and the complementary sounds of "Jim" and "Pam" (58:36).
• Pam and Toby's Potential Romance: Both agree that Pam would likely have turned down Toby's romantic advances, maintaining her loyalty to Jim.
• Pam's Happiness Without Jim: Jenna emphasizes that Pam's most authentic and happiest moments occur when she's thriving independently, such as during the Michael Scott Paper Company arc.
• Developing Chemistry with John Krasinski: Jenna discusses the strong professional bond with John, clarifying that while their on-screen chemistry was impeccable, they remain close friends off-screen. She addresses and clarifies a misquoted statement about their relationship, lamenting the impact of clickbait journalism on their friendship (69:00).

Closing Thoughts The episode concludes with heartfelt reflections on Pam's enduring legacy and the profound impact the character has had on fans worldwide. A touching letter from a listener, Alison C. from Florida, underscores Pam's role as a source of strength and inspiration:
"Pam would be proud to know that a little girl watching latched onto those words... Be strong, trust yourself. Love yourself. Conquer your fears." (83:34).

Conclusion Office Ladies successfully delivers a comprehensive and engaging exploration of Pam Beesley's character, blending personal stories, character analysis, and fan interactions. Jenna and Angela's deep appreciation for Pam shines through, offering fans both nostalgic moments and fresh insights into one of television's most cherished characters.

Notable Quotes:

• Jenna Fischer: "It is my honor to have played Pam. I'm getting choked up." (81:17)
• Angela Kinsey: "Pam's acceptance speech... is such amazing dialogue. That was all written for me." (25:02)
• Jenna Fischer: "The show bible is simply a list of facts about each character as they are revealed in an episode that has aired." (09:12)

Note: Timestamps are indicated in parentheses for reference.

Transcript

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office Lady 6.0.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hey there. Hi.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hi.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is a super fun day here at Office Lady 6.0 because this week we are celebrating Jenna's birthday. And in honor of it being your birthday, it is all about Pam Beasley.

[Jenna Fischer]

Lady. I walked into the studio today and I had to take a picture because the point of view, my microphone, it has a mountain of goodies. There are flowers, there's gift bags. There's muffins and a card with dogs and birthday hats, which I can't wait to open. I mean, my goodness.

[Angela Kinsey]

And there's going to be more. There's going to be cake. Because we do birthdays here. We do them. And maybe in honor of Pam, there's also going to be mixed berry yogurt for everybody.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's good. That's amazing. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you, lady. You know everyone, Angela and I thought that it would be fun to break down the all abouts of our office characters on our birthday weeks this year. And my birthday is Friday.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this is my week.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is your week. And it's also Pam's week. And before we get to Pam Beasley, let's celebrate your birthday. We have gifts. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I see there's a bag that says Happy birthday and it's heavy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, that's from me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'll explain.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is a giant bag of sumo citrus oranges.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And it looks like a book, lady, but guess what? It's like a gift box. And inside of it. Okay, hear me out. I wanted to get you a book for your birthday, but I don't know what all you have and don't have and what's on your list. So I found this independent bookstore in Madison, Connecticut. It's called Just the Right Book. And you can fill out sort of like the taste of books you like, the subjects you like. And then you will get a book in the mail each month. You can sign up for a 4 month subscription or 6 month or 12 month. And lady, I just love supporting this independent bookstore.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love reading, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

And this is like such a thoughtful gift. And I love this fakey book that I can hide things in.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ooh, I love a sneaky book.

[Angela Kinsey]

It looks like a real book.

[Jenna Fischer]

It really does.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's really pretty.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. You crushed it on the birthday gifts, Ange.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thanks. I'm gonna put a link to this bookstore. It's called Just the Right Book. And I just wanna read one thing from its website. It says, in a world dominated by algorithms, think of Just the Right Book as your personal book stylist. A personalized bookseller experience based on you and delivered to you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, maybe I should start sharing what I'm reading and we can do a little like book club with people.

[Angela Kinsey]

I would love to do a book club. And Sam and Cassie also got you stuff. Sure.

[Jenna Fischer]

I got you the most Michael Scott card I could find. Is it the dogs with the party hats. Open it. Okay. It says, happy birthday, party animal. Love, Sam, Cassie and Angela. I literally love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sam, that is the most Michael Scott card.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you. Who got the Trader Joe's gluten free cinnamon coffee cake muffins? I did. You bought these for me way back at Earwolf's. Oh, boy. I did. And I love you and hate you for this because they are so delicious, but they are like, don't read the calories. I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't read it. It's your birthday.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's your birthday. Yeah. Calories don't count until Saturday. Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, thank you. I love these muffins and I will not buy them for myself. So thank you, but gift accepted. Sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Jenna, I got you the calorie free roses.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much, Cassie. I do love roses.

[Angela Kinsey]

And just to talk about books, I'm reading a book right now that Angela, I think you might really like. It's called the Backyard Bird Chronicles and it's written by Amy Tan, who wrote.

[Jenna Fischer]

Joy Joy Lud Club. Joy Lud Club.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's just about her sitting in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Her backyard, learning all the birds and drawing them and just talking about their personalities and becoming my best friend. Exactly. I have lots of books to read now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And lady, there's one more thing I'd like you to open. You know, a while back, we were going through fan mail and I saw this and I thought, this will be perfect when we do All About Pam Beasley. These are handmade earrings from an artist in Ohio, Redleaf Studio. Look at the Pam teapot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. It's a teapot. And it has a letter and a little pencil and some hot sauce and a little timer. All the things that were in the teapot.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. And she made little sprinkles cat earrings for me as well. I'm going to share her shop. She is so talented. Handmade from Ohio.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's her store again?

[Angela Kinsey]

Red Leaves Studio.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. This is fun, Angela. But this is also getting me excited for when we do All About Angela Martin and celebrate your birthday.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I'm not done.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

In honor of it being all about Pam Beasley. My favorite part about Pam is her Pam sass. We'll get to it. But, lady, I had to bust out.

[Jenna Fischer]

How do you even have a Pam Sass T shirt? I thought you only had Angela Sass.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I bought Pam Sass, too.

[Jenna Fischer]

You love the sass.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love the sass. And of course, there is cake and there's mixed berry yogurt. We'll have all of that on our break. And I guess muffins, too, and oranges.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have a lot to eat and drink. Thank you, everybody. This was wonderful. I feel this is a great birthday kickoff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you deserve to be celebrated and we love you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, so let's get to all about Pam Beasley. I thought I would kick off today's episode with this request from Mel E. In Richmond, Texas. Mel wrote in and said, please read the show Bible entry for Pam. And guess what, everyone? Jenna sent me the show bible.

[Jenna Fischer]

I did. And can we take this opportunity really quickly for me to explain? Yes. So I worry that maybe I have misrepresented the show bible or maybe I have.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cause I had never really seen it.

[Jenna Fischer]

So the show bible is simply a list of facts about each character as they are revealed in an episode that has aired. So there will never be anything in the show bible that wasn't also on the show.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's true. It's what exists in the canon.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

But I have to say, it's really fun to see it all listed out because you forget things completely.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so helpful.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know, Jenna, when you did show bibles for Kevin Malone and Michael Scott, you sort of grouped the information in different pairings. Yes, I did the same thing, but, you know, our brains work differently. So here's the way I'm going to share the show bible info for Pam Beasley. Pam's full name is Pamela Morgan Halpert, formerly Beasley. She is Presbyterian. Her address is 383 Linden Avenue and in Scranton, Pennsylvania. She drives a silver Subaru Outback. She is a slow driver, but she can drive a stick shift.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, see, I forgot that she.

[Angela Kinsey]

Needs glasses but usually wears contacts. Her instant messenger name is receptionitis15. Her job titles at Dunder Mifflin were listed as receptionist, sales rep, and secret assistant to the regional manager by Dwight. We know she goes on to become the office administrator, but that is covered in the show bible because it stops.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep. It stops after season six. Yeah, I think so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Around there. Yeah. But I love this little piece of trivia. She worked at Dunder Mifflin before Jim. See?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. This is always a hotly debated topic. Who worked there first?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's in Pam's show bible.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Then I did a segment called her skills and her quote needs improvement list. Oh, her skills. She types 90 words a minute, is able to change a tire by herself, and is an accomplished volleyball player. Her needs Improvement list. She has the lowest sales record in the office and the worst attitude.

[Jenna Fischer]

The worst attitude? Is that in the show bible?

[Angela Kinsey]

It is. I did a direct copy and paste. What about sales? I guess she has the worst attitude about sales.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I don't even think that's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Next on her needs improvement list, her attempt at a southern accent sounds like Forrest Gump.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

She has won the following awards at the Dundees, longest engagement and widest sneakers. Here are some of her likes. Asian food, free sale, Sudoku, a house with a terrace upstairs to plant flowers on. She loves to draw to watch hgtv. She likes dogs over cats. She loves a sprinkle of cinnamon on her coffee, mixed berry yogurt, French onion chips. Making copies. That cracks me up. And she likes the following movies. Fargo, Edward Scissorhands, Dazed and Confused, Breakfast Club, the Princess Bride and Legally Blonde.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here are some of her dislikes. The Dundees. She considers it like a train wreck. Direct quote. She doesn't like Frisbee based competition. Don't get your frizz on with Pam. She does not like hunting ads for Six Flags with the creepy old guy. Dancing pig latin, country music, Macanudo's cigars. And she doesn't like to be called Pammy.

[Jenna Fischer]

She does not. Don't call me Pammy now I have.

[Angela Kinsey]

A section I called. She is prone to shenanigans and pranks. Oh, particularly with Jim. Here are just a few. She wrote graffiti about Michael on the bathroom wall. She tries to throw stuff in Dwight's coffee mug when he's away. Like, like paper clips or messages for Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

I forgot about that.

[Angela Kinsey]

And with Jim, she posted Dwight's resume on job sites. She would sometimes hum the same high pitched note with Jim to get Dwight to make an appointment with an ear doctor.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was very funny.

[Angela Kinsey]

She has been sending Dwight letters from the CIA saying they are considering him for a secret mission. And she also posed as the Dunder Mifflin Infinity computer system with Jim to prank Dwight. Next up, relationships. Oh, she would do Oscar or Toby. She was engaged to Roy for three years and she considers Jim her soulmate.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, true.

[Angela Kinsey]

And one final thing before we go to break, people often ask us where our characters are now and what they're doing. And this is what the NBC website says about Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam merged her mural business with a local art gallery in Austin. Currently she's on an artist retreat in New Mexico.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I wonder when this was. Was this after the finale or something?

[Angela Kinsey]

Must be because you're living in Austin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there you go. That is my show Bible Breakdown. Plus a little extra on All About Pam Beasley.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved it. Do you ever think, like, what if you had, like, a show Bible for your life? What would the entries be?

[Angela Kinsey]

How cool that would be?

[Jenna Fischer]

You know what? That makes me think of those journals that are like, one line a day. Journals where you're supposed to just write one line a day. I always start those, and I get about 15 days in, and then I forget to do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I had one when Isabel was a toddler. It says something like, kids say the darndest things, and you're supposed to write something they say each week, and I wrote a bunch in it. And I go back, and it's so sweet and cute and hilarious and such a snapshot of my life with her back then.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Aw.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, lady, thank you. Why don't we go to break and when we come back, we'll keep talking all about Pam Beasley. I'm not gonna lie, everyone. This is triggering my social anxiety a little bit. This is like. It's such a spotlight. It's like my birthday, and it's all about Pam Beasley. And I'm feeling a little shy about it all, but let's do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, here's the thing. We're gonna have some mixed berry yogurt that's gonna make you feel good, and then we're going to talk about Pam. Not you. We're going to talk about Pam. Like, someday you're going to talk about Angela Martin. I am not going to take it personal when you all call her a bitch. I won't take it personal.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, let's take a break, and then we'll get to it. This episode is brought to you by ikea.

[Angela Kinsey]

I could not be more excited to talk about ikea.

[Jenna Fischer]

Lady, you leave me a lot of messages about ikea, about your IKEA home projects. Like you recently just did your guest bedroom.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love ikea.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know you do.

[Angela Kinsey]

So here's the thing. We have this garage that we converted into a guest room. But it was a garage. It had, like, a concrete floor.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was not very cozy. And, you know, when my mom and sisters come out, I wanted a nice, cozy place for them, you know, when they visit.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So we went to ikea, and we got everything you need to make a nice, cozy retreat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Ange, I just love how thoughtful you were in putting this room together. And IKEA points out that sleep is very personal. In fact, IKEA sells six sleep essentials. Sound Light, air quality, comfort, declutter, and temperature. So this is their thing. And they say creating your optimal mix of essentials will help you to relax and will contribute to better sleep. So I have to ask you, Angela, how did you apply the six IKEA sleep essentials to your design of this room?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, what's so funny is that I didn't even know I was doing it, but I did it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. I think just by going to ikea, you hit on these essentials.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, since our guest room was once a garage and we wanted it to be a cozy guest room, but also like a teen hangout space.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

We really focused on declutter comfort and light.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

So first we had to declutter it. We had all of these board games, things like that. We got IKEA bookshelves to organize all the games and the movies we had out there. We put a super comfy couch out there and a twin day bed. We also have a little coffee table and a credenza that we put a small TV on. What I loved about the IKEA credenza is it's got these cubby doors on the bottom, so we had more storage. We actually put all the bedding, which we got from Ikea, in the credenza. So it's all ready to go.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's all out there.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Smart.

[Angela Kinsey]

But we really needed to warm that space up. So I also got a comfy rug, and I got an end table, and I got a lamp. We basically turned it into like a little mini studio apartment. And it's really just a cozy place for our company when they visit. And it's great for our teenagers when they have sleepovers and hangouts. Josh put together every single piece of furniture in there by himself.

[Jenna Fischer]

I remember these messages.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he's really good at putting IKEA furniture together.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think he kind of likes it. I just want to throw that out there. I think he is excited to do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll ask him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And, you know, we just love how it turned out. Our teenagers love it, and so do my mom and sisters when they visit. My mom says it's her favorite room in our house. Wow, the converted garage.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I got a tour the last time I was at your place, and it really is quite the transformation. You guys did a great job. I would sleep there, and, lady, I am at an age and a season of life where comfortable sleep is very important to me. So it gets my seal of approval. And I just love the IKEA list for how to craft the perfect sleep. I Love, for example, that they mention sound in their list of sleep essentials because I actually sleep with a white noise machine in my bedroom. It's a huge part of my sleep strategy.

[Angela Kinsey]

My sister travels with one. Yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they also mention light. And I want to add to that lack of light as a sleep strategy because Ikea has great blackout curtains which I have purchased and used before. I need a dark room to sleep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also sleep with a humidifier which I think would fall under their essential air quality.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think so. Well, you can create your comfy, blissful bedroom today with the IKEA 6 Sleep Essentials. Shop in store or online at IKEA USA.

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[Jenna Fischer]

Sure. I think mine out of many has to be from dinner party. It is this.

[Angela Kinsey]

I bet. I can guess.

[Jenna Fischer]

It looks great, babe. Yeah, it really does. I know Jan didn't poison the food. I know that. But if she was going to poison the food of someone at that table, wouldn't it be me? Michael's former lover? Either that or dinner sounded delicious. Pam, I'll see you at home. Thank you so much. It was a great night. Jim, I don't think you're going to abandon this party here all by itself. I don't know, because everything I own is there. You can buy new stuff, but you can't buy a new party. That's true. That is a great point. Come on down here. Both of those. Your delivery on them is just so great. Oh, my gosh. Thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do love that. I also love from dinner party when Pam goes, I don't care what they say about me, I just want to eat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh my gosh. That gets played so often. I really, I felt that deeply.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't get you hangry.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't skip a meal.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cassie, what do you got? I feel like so many fans. It's when Pam discovers that Michael is dating her mom. Oh, yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

But just the whole setup of like.

[Angela Kinsey]

Having that friend that's not good at dating and you want to be supportive, but then you find out in the worst way that absolutely not. You cannot date my mom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam, it is very complicated. There are a lot of moving parts here. Sounds complicated. Yeah, but I mean, if you really like this, then you should see where it goes. You want me to be happy? Of course. Part of the problem is she is the mother of a close friend of mine. Oh, more than a friend. A co worker. Oh, gossip. Who is it? Who is it? Who is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Mom.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love how into it she is. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love the slow discovery.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. No, no, no, no, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my goodness.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, I had a really hard time picking my favorite Pam moment. There are so many, but you know one that I always love. It always makes me smile. I just think it's such just a sweet moment, and I thought your acting was so good in it. It's when Pam wins the Dundee for the whitest sneakers.

[Jenna Fischer]

Aww. And this next award is going out to our own little Pam Beasley. I think we all know what award Pam is going to be getting this year. It is the whitest sneakers award because she always has the whitest tennis shoes on. Get on down here.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pair.

[Jenna Fischer]

Beasley, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, here we go.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have so many people to thank for this award.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, first off, my kids, because I couldn't have done it without them. Thank you. Give Michael a round of applause for emceeing tonight because this is a lot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Harder than it looks.

[Jenna Fischer]

And also because of Dwight, too. So finally, I want to thank God, because God gave me this Dundee, and I feel God in this Chili's tonight. Family, ladies and gentlemen, that is such amazing dialogue. That was all written for me. It is so great.

[Angela Kinsey]

You just see her travel through all these different moments in her acceptance speech. Kind of like when she finds out that Michael's dating her mom. I just saw, like, who you wanted to thank, but then you got back on track. But then you drifted off.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, in researching all about Pam Beasley for this episode, I found out a piece of information, and I considered withholding it.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

But I'm gonna share it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You found out something about Pam Beasley and you weren't gonna tell us?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, what? It's about whether or not Pam thinks the kiss at the Dundees was their first kiss or not. What?

[Angela Kinsey]

What? Who?

[Jenna Fischer]

I. Okay. Bracing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bracing. And remember that pastor who said I was wrong?

[Jenna Fischer]

There's a deleted scene that was added to the peacock superfan episode, Shut the Front Door, where Pam and Jim are talking about their lives, and Jim brings up the kiss at the Dundees.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sort of says, like, oh, but you were. I mean, that you were kind of drunk. And Pam says, I know what I was doing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, well, well. What episode is that in?

[Jenna Fischer]

Let me look it up. Let's see.

[Angela Kinsey]

I found it. It's in launch party. Hang on. Can we hear it? Oh, man, is this a sweet moment for me. I knew today was gonna be a good day for you. I did not know it was gonna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Get this good for me. Oh, no. All right, I just found the clip. This is Pam and Jim up on the roof eating pizza.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is my moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is the superfan episode. I was a little buzzed, but I knew what I was doing. You looked so surprised. Yeah, I Didn't know you were gonna kiss me that night. One needs to prepare for these things.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I need. I'm sorry. I need to hear it again. I need to hear it again. I need to hear it again.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was a little buzzed, but I knew what I was doing. You looked so surprised. Yeah, I didn't know you were gonna kiss me that night. One needs to prepare for these things.

[Angela Kinsey]

You look so surprised. I knew what I was doing.

[Jenna Fischer]

I knew what I was doing. Kudos to you for bringing that up, even though that defaults your entire argument. That's big of you. I wouldn't have brought it up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just. I'm so happy. I feel seen. Oh, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I feel like Kevin in that moment where he's like, can I finish cannabis? I knew it was their first kiss.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was. I concede.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't believe you were gonna hold that back. I was gonna find it eventually, lady. And then I was gonna light you up.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know, and I had forgotten, but we did all these scenes up on the roof and we're eating pizza, and it was supposed to be kind of like a throwback to when they ate the grilled cheese on the roof.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sure, sure. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we had all this dialogue where they wanted us to just reminisce about our relationship. And I can' Remember if that was improvised or if that was written. I don't remember.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, guess who's going to go to the shooting draft and see?

[Jenna Fischer]

You'll let us know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Launch party. I'm going to look in the candy bags. Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wowzers. Okay. I don't even know where we were. Oh, my other. My other favorite Pam moment. The whole reason I'm wearing the shirt that says Pam Sassy, because I could not do an all about Pam Beasley and not talk about her Pam sass. It's one of my favorite things. It is a runner throughout the entire series. And we got a fan mail flurry about it. People really wanted us to share some Pam sass. And guess what? As it turns out, there are a ton of Pam Sass video compilations online.

[Jenna Fischer]

There are.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are so many. One of my favorites that I watched in prepping for this episode was titled the Best of Pam's Brutal Comebacks. I mean, that's a great title. Here are just a few I'm going to play. I'm also going to read some. Let's start with Pam versus Kevin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam, when will the new copier Be ready. I'm working on it. Kev, you said it would be ready by today, and it is today. It'll be ready soon. Soon could mean any. Anything soon. Could be three weeks. Is that what soon means to you? Sometimes. Then come back soon.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, the sass, that was pretty good. Is that what soon means to you? Okay, now, Pam versus Todd Packer.

[Jenna Fischer]

Don't ever let this little bitch drive you around town.

[Angela Kinsey]

We got lost for half an hour.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't have any DUIs, so I can drive myself, but thanks.

[Angela Kinsey]

But thanks. That's kind of like Pam's Bless yous Heart, but thanks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Then there is the Halloween episode when Jim makes fun of her for believing in ghosts. And then Pam says she'll draw a picture of the ghost for Jim and she just draws the middle finger and flips him off.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

But maybe the biggest category for Pam. Sass. And honestly, this could be a whole show.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is it Pam versus Ryan?

[Angela Kinsey]

You betcha.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's my favorite.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are so many clips of Pam and Ryan going head to head. That's so great. It was really hard to choose. But you know what? This might be my favorite also. Little tip.

[Jenna Fischer]

Never shake the baby. Sorry, just to be clear, you're saying do not shake the baby. Don't shake the baby. A lot of times parents get frustrated because the baby's crying and they shake the baby and you gotta. You can't do that. Don't shake our baby. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'd never heard that before. So thank you. Yeah. I'm glad you said something. Me, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm glad you said something.

[Jenna Fischer]

You guys. In our rewatch, I've shared this before. I absolutely love Ryan. I love the way BJ Novak plays the character of Ryan. When I listen to that, his delivery is still so funny to me. We couldn't get through that scene. I mean, we busted up so many times.

[Angela Kinsey]

I watched so many Pam versus Ryan clips last night, and I really would love so much to just make it an episode and bring BJ in here because it is so wonderful. That is the spinoff I want to watch.

[Jenna Fischer]

BJ Novak is one of my most favorite people ever. I would love that.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then there is Pam versus the entire Dunder Mifflin office. I'm going to read this for you. It's from the Niagara episode when Pam was pregnant and she asked everyone in the office if they could kind of tone it down on the smelly stuff like Phyllis with her perfume, soaps, and Meredith and her cigars. And then Dwight's super smelly lunches. She's having really horrible morning sickness. And she just said, can you guys just tone this down? Well, no one wants to change their routines. So Pam has a talking head where she says, I don't think I'm asking for too much. I guess it's just the end of courtesy in the workplace. And then it cuts to this scene. Dwight is peeling a hard boiled egg at his desk. He sniffs it and takes a bite. Pam stares at him, picks up her trash can and pukes in it. This causes a chain reaction. Andy, Phyllis, Meredith, Aaron, Oscar and Angela all proceed to throw up in various places in the office. Dwight stares, shocked at Pam. Pam wipes her mouth with a satisfied look. She took down the whole office. That's some Pam sass. And you know, I'm really barely scratching the surface. There's so much more Pam sass. But I want to end with one of my all time favorites. It is Pam versus Dwight is one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Of the most stressful things you can do in life. You'll probably just take it out on your kid. Jim will turn to the drink, the family will fall apart, and 25 years from now, Cece will become world famous for stripping. It's a sad story. I have another one. We move, the other tenants follow. The bank takes the building, takes your farm, takes your car, and beats the crap out of you. Penniless, you do. And my daughter Cece dances on your grave fully clothed. That's such a good speed.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

My God, our writers are so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's such good writing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my goodness.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, that ends my Pam sass segment of all about Pam Beasley. And now I want to move on to this fan question from Fionola Kay in the uk. Which Pam moments are you proudest of?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, when I think about. I mean, I'm just so proud of the whole show and everything. But there is one moment that I am most proud of, and it is the talking head at the end of the job when Jim peeks his head in and asks Pam out on a date.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, and you tear up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. I think it's one of my finest acting moments of my whole career, frankly. And I really credit Ken Kwapas for getting that performance out of me. It was just. I mean, I don't even know how I did it.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know, just as an audience, just someone watching it, because now I'm watching it just as a fan of the show. That moment is so pivotal and meaningful. And you did it perfect. Like, perfect.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so raw. And it really could only occur, like, if you gave me that scene in a movie and I had to just do that, I don't know if I could have done it, but because I had the history of her story, of years of playing this character, and I had that relationship with Ken Kwapas, and so much of my reaction was from locking eyes with him and what he was giving me on the other side of the camera. Yeah, it was that look that, like, your dad gives you when he's proud of you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it just melted me. So there were all of these circumstances that led to that moment happening, and I love that we captured it, and.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love that it was Ken in that moment with you, because he had been there since the very beginning.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so important.

[Jenna Fischer]

He was as invested in my character story as I was.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, love that moment too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, lady, now it's my turn to do some sharing. Well, we've started this tradition of each sharing an area of interest about our character. You know, I love to title things, create structure.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I love, like, our different ways of titling things. I'm like, Pam Sass. You're like, area of interest.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, for my Pam Beasley area of interest, I really tried to think of things that I hadn't already shared on the podcast. I mean, we've broken down all the episodes, and I was really worried that I wouldn't have anything new to say.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like that the first kiss was at the Dundees. Cause I thought that was a pretty good one. Why are you being so hard on yourself?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

What else you got?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I thought of two things that I could share about playing Pam Beasley. Both of the things are actor prep that I did. So the first thing is that when I'm prepping for a character, I sometimes go out in the world as that character. Like, I'll go grocery shopping, or I'll do other tasks pretending to be in character.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lady, you're so method. What if your character was, like, a bank robber? You can't go out in the world as the bank robber.

[Jenna Fischer]

But you can, because my character won't be robbing a bank the whole time.

[Angela Kinsey]

It'll just be a bank robber running errands.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So who am I when I go to the grocery store? Or how do I interact with the world? So I went to the grocery store as Pam, and I remember this very clearly. I was in line with my groceries, and someone cut in front of me. How do you think Jenna feels about that?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Jenna would be like, excuse me, I'm standing here.

[Jenna Fischer]

I would. I would say the end of the line is back there. Excuse me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, you'd be very fair. But you would let them know, correct? Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Pam doesn't say anything. Apparently, I was Pam, and she just let this person cut in front of her, right? Yeah, it was just an interesting thing. So it's like, how do you find out little details about how your character reacts and interacts in the world? Which I thought was important because I knew that our show was gonna have improvisation. And so I wanted to basically go out in the world and have people throw scenarios at me and see how Pam might react. And it's just information.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just love this. This is so thorough of you. I love it. I have to say one thing, one thing really quickly, which is one time I was standing in line for a movie, and this lady cut in front of, like, legit cut in front. So much so that the girl taking the tickets, like, looked at me and then looked at her. Like the line formed here, you know?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And she looked at me, and the lady goes, I'm going to my movie. Like, what's the deal? And I said to her, look, you cut in front of everyone, but clearly this is really important to you. Like, you need to get to this movie, and it's not important to me. So why don't you go to your movie? She was like, mouth agape.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. That's how you handle those.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Line cutters.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just shame them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, exactly. I'm like, matter of fact information. The end of the line is back there. Polite about it, but yeah, you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're like, shame, shame.

[Angela Kinsey]

Clearly, this is super important to you, so why don't you have it? We're going to let you have it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, interestingly enough, I also went to the movies as Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

What did Pam go to see?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't remember what she went to see, but I have a very distinct memory that when she went up to get her snacks, my snack of choice is Diet Coke and Junior Mints.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is it really?

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what I would always get at the movies. Pam ordered a diet 7Up and popcorn.

[Angela Kinsey]

How come?

[Jenna Fischer]

Don't know. She loves diet 7Up, apparently. So I did this exercise before I even auditioned for Pam. And when I went to my audition, I drank a diet 7 up.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is so wild to me. I did not know this. All these years I've known you, and I did not know that you made the choice that Pam drinks diet 7 up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, she does. She loves it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, here's the other thing I'm going to share. This is my other actor prep. When I am working on a character, a lot of times I will create a song list. We all know I made Sounds of Scranton. That was when we were doing the pilot. Well, in between season two and three, I made Pam songs. That's what I called my playlist. Pam songs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Please tell me you're gonna share your Pam songs.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna share my Pam songs. So on my Instagram lately, I've been sharing guitar riffs because I'm working on a song list for the character that I'm gonna play in Lee's movie. Right, Jody. And a lot of people asked if I would be willing to share my Pam song list, so I'm gonna do it today. Now, just to be clear, sometimes songs make the list because of their lyrics. Sometimes it's just the vibe of the music. Sometimes there's an even more specific reason. So here we go. First song on the list is phone call number 27 by Admiral Twin. There's, like, a phone that rings at the beginning of the song. Oh, so it's like, you know, because.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam's gonna be answering phones.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

The next song is one by Amy Mann. Then 50 Ways to Leave youe Lover by Paul Simon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because she wants to leave Roy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe. Maybe. This is. Remember this? I made this for between seasons two and three. So this is after Jim has, you know, confessed his love at Casino Night, and then she's gonna come back from the summer. So I was trying to create a vibe for her. The next is called Another First Kiss from they Might Be Giants because she.

[Angela Kinsey]

Knew she already had her first kiss, and now she wants another first kiss. I'm gonna eat off that for a long time, so buckle in.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then the song Please, Please, Please Let Me get what I Want by the Deftones. And I have an audio clip of this. So do you remember the episode in season three? It was Back from Vacation, and it's the one where Pam breaks down crying in the hallway and Dwight comes to comfort her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I shared when we broke down that episode, that in order to cry, I listened to music. This is the song I listened to on repeat in order to cry in that scene. And here's a clip.

[Angela Kinsey]

Good times for change.

[Jenna Fischer]

See a lot of our hat can make a good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Night bad.

[Jenna Fischer]

So please, please, please let.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me get what I want Lord knows it would be the first time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, that's It.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's like that song would not make me cry.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's that phrase, please, please, please let me get what I want. Lord knows it would be the first time. It's so visceral.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is.

[Jenna Fischer]

And just, like, I hear the pain in the song, and it just, like, triggered me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I. That song is only, like, two minutes long, and I just listened to it on a loop. Yeah. Okay. So that song was on my playlist.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did an acting exercise when I was studying years ago, and we did all pick a song, and then we let that song kind of let take us to a place, and then we delivered a monologue. So when we do all about Angela Martin, I'll share my song. That helps me kind of get to a place where I break down.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. The next song on my list is Come Away With Me by Norah Jones, and then the song NYC by Interpol. So this song is on the list because this is the song that John and I listened to in the parking lot during season two, the Client. Oh, so in the episode, you hear a different song. You hear sing by Travis. That's not what we were actually listening to. We were listening to John's actual ipod, and this was a song on one of his playlists. Yes. And he was like, oh, here's a good one. So this is the song we were listening to. I have an audio clip. I know you supported me for a long time. Somehow I'm not impressed with New York kids.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, so that's a good piece of trivia.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's the song that you were listening to.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. That's what we were swaying to in the parking lot. And I would like to thank John Krasinski, because I could not remember what the song was, so I texted, and he remembered. And as soon as I turned it on, it was like a time machine. I heard that, and I was, like, transported back in time to shooting that scene. It was so wild.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, music does that. It's really powerful.

[Jenna Fischer]

It does. Okay, so here's the rest of my list. Somewhere Only We Know by Keen, Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe, Somebody to Love by Queen, Through Any Window by Willie Wisely, Danny says by the Ramones, Our Love by Rhett Miller, and One down by Ben Folds. And I don't know. Can you share playlists? Yeah, you can listen to me. Here's the funny thing, you guys. I do not make playlists. In my real life as Jenna, I don't make. I just don't. I listen to podcasts. I Don't listen to music. But weirdly, when I am playing a character, they get a song list. And music is a huge way into character for me. If you make it on Spotify and make it public, you can share it. I'll do that.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go. Well, I can share with everyone. I have road tripped with you, and there is no music.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's no music. If you have to play Jenna Fisher in a movie one day, your playlist is nothing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Silence.

[Jenna Fischer]

Your playlist is the news. That's what I listen to.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love your playlist, and I can't wait for us to share it. Up next is my Pam Beasley area of interest, and I'm tackling a fan theory here. The fan theory is that Pam is the one that the documentary crew was following all along. I just thought that this was such an interesting take on the whole show, and I have a few things to support it. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

So this theory says that the entire show is actually centered around Pam's perspectives and experiences. Experiences. And that the camera crew was interested particularly in her life and showing her life as it evolved through the series. And that the show is not a documentary about a paper company. You know, a lot of the other characters have relationships as the years go on, but Pam is the one that develops close friendships with people. She is the only character throughout the show that connects with people in one way or another. And you can see it if you watch the show. She's there for Dwight when Dwight needs her. She's there for Angela when Angela is crying about Sprinkles. She's there for Michael over and over. She's like his support system. She is there for Kelly when Kelly is worried about Ryan cheating on her. She's there for Nellie. She was there for Meredith. They go and, like, do karaoke together. She has moments with Oscar and Toby in the Finer Things Club. And obviously she's there for Jim. But if you watch the show with Pam as the main focus, it really opens up all of these moments. You really see how Pam was the person people went to talk to.

[Jenna Fischer]

I believe that. Yeah, that tracks for me. I'm not sure if that means the documentary was about her. I want to hear more.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. So number one, Pam is the emotional support for everyone. She is the person people confide in. Number two, Pam's presence lives on after the documentary is over. She is the one character that has a physical, lasting mark on the Dunder Mifflin workplace. In the last season, Pam decides to create the mural in the Dunder Mifflin Warehouse. She draws all of the characters from the show. And Pam is the only person in the series who, when she actually physically leaves Dunder Mifflin, leaves something behind. Her legacy. Her mark. Okay, well, you know, we'll see. This is a fan theory, okay? No one else paints a whole wall. True, true. I mean, Dwight does own the business park, but still, he hasn't left a huge piece of artwork forever saying, I was here.

[Jenna Fischer]

True.

[Angela Kinsey]

Number three is inspired by Keely C. From Mexico, who wrote in to say, I have a theory about the documentary crew, and it is that it favors Pam over everyone else in the office and that she was their favorite subject. She goes on to say she thinks that they interview Pam more than the other characters. She believes that the documentary crew was always rooting for Pam. Do you believe this theory? First of all, Keely, I found an article online that agrees with you on CBR.com it says Pam is the only character who really changes throughout the years. Pam starts as an insecure, timid, self effacing young woman and ends the series as an assertive professional who establishes boundaries both in her professional and personal life. And finally, the same article said the following. And Jenna, I know that you and Brian talked about this on his podcast, the Deep Dive, but it suggests that Pam having the last line of the series proves all of this. And here's what the article said. The Office ends with a tearful sequence featuring several interviews of the characters mixed with emotional and sometimes hilarious scenes. However, Pam's interview is the last one to appear in the mockumentary, which leaves the audience with the feeling that Pam is the one saying goodbye. Pam says, there's a lot of beauty in ordinary things. Isn't that kind of the point which wraps up the idea of following the supposedly ordinary and uneventful life of people working at an office? But the fact that Pam has the last line in the show and she sums up the premise of the series adds up to Pam being the Office's main character. What are your thoughts?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I remember talking to Greg about this. When I saw that I had the last talking head, I was so honored and nervous. And he said that he always kind of thought the documentary crew was following Pam. That that was true.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, yeah, because I honestly never thought it was about Michael. I thought because Michael was the boss, he maybe got more screen time because he could manufacture those moments more easily.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you know, the documentary doesn't stop when Michael leaves. Yeah, and a number of people leave in season nine as well. And the documentary doesn't Stop when they leave either. You know, Andy goes off and it doesn't follow him.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right, Kevin?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep, exactly. And, you know, the documentary crew does capture a lot of private moments for Jim and Pam. They do follow Pam out of the office quite a bit. I mean, the cameras are there for the birth of the baby. I know the cameras are there for the proposal for the wedding. You know, I mean, I know they went to these personal events for other people, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

When Pam found out she was pregnant, they were there.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But I do have one piece of evidence that I think contradicts this theory, which is that they don't really show much of her at art school, and that's kind of a big thing for her to have done, and they don't show much interest in her. So I believe that this documentary really was about a paper company. I think that is what is the main subject about the lives of people in a paper company. But I do also think that Pam was a main subject of interest.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I mean, here's my take. I agree with you. I think it was a documentary about an everyday small company and just what it's like to work in a small company. But I think what happens, and we know this to be true, especially if you sit down and talk to Dave Rogers, which is there is one story that you film and there's another story that you find. So I think the documentary crew filmed all of this footage, and then when they sat down to edit it, that's when the story took shape.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they saw all this footage of Jim and Pam, and they became enamored with showing their story, and that's why so much of Jim and Pam is in it. So I think the editor found Pam, and maybe that's someone I'd love to meet who edited the documentary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because whoever did had a soft spot for Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think that's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I loved your area of interest. Should we take a break? And then we're gonna come back and You've got a q and A for me, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. So many people wrote in questions for you about Pam, and I just love our office ladies, listeners. They send in the best questions. They're so thoughtful and wonderful observations. We'll get to those after the break. Foreign this show is sponsored by Better Help. You know, in our life, we all have a support system. These are the people that help you get through the big life moments, the small life moments. They can be one of your favorite teachers or a coach, your mom or sister or best friend. It's so important to have that community because, you know, we're just all better when we have a support system behind us. And therapy can be a source of support for any area of your life. If it's time for you to shift focus or just put things in perspective, it's nice to know that there are people you can go to to ask for help. I know personally I have such a strong support system that I lean on in the hard times that also celebrate with me in the good times and all the other little moments in between, and I'm so thankful for them. Build your support system with Better help. Visit betterhelp.com officeladies today to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp H-E-L-P.com OfficeLadies well folks, we made it to March and I'm so glad because I'm really ready for spring. You know, there's warmer weather right around the corner and I can't wait to treat myself to some new products. And Macy's is on the same page as me because right now they're having a Buy More Save More event where you can get $30 off your $150 beauty purchase. $30 off? That's a pretty good deal. My big thing is I have dry skin and I'm really trying to keep it high hydrated and they have some great moisturizers. I just snapped up the Clinique Moisture Surge Active Glow Serum so I'm going to be all hydrated and glowy. You can transition your routine for warmer weather with Macy's Buy More Save More get $30 off $150 regular priced beauty purchase. This sale is active March 6th through the 10th. Shop now at macy's.com giftguide okay, let's say you just realized your business needs to hire someone, but you needed to hire them yesterday. How can you find amazing candidates fast? Easy. Just use Indeed. So truly, when it comes to hiring, Indeed is all you need. Indeed has this feature called Sponsored Jobs and it helps your job posts get seen faster. With Sponsored Jobs, your post jumps to the top of the page for your relevant candidates so you reach the people you want faster and it makes a huge difference. According to Indeed data, sponsor jobs posted directly on indeed have 45% more applications than non sponsored jobs. Join the 3.5 million employers worldwide that use Indeed to hire great talent fast. There's no need to wait any longer. Speed up your hiring right now with Indeed and listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility@ Indeed.com officelab just go to Indeed.com officeladies right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Indeed.com officeladies Terms and conditions apply. Hiring Indeed is all you need. We are back with our all about Pam Beasley episode, and it is time for our fan Q and A. I'm kicking us off with Raquel C. From Michigan and Megan V. From Columbia. They wrote in and asked, where did the name Pam Beasley come from? And then also Joe H. From Long Island, New York says, were there ever any alternate first and last names for Pam?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here's what I can tell you. All of my scripts, my breakdown, everything from the beginning of me being part of this project, my name was Pam Beasley.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. Not Pamela.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nope. But I did reach out to Greg because he always has a good story for how he picked someone's name.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

First of all, he confirmed that this character's name has only ever been Pam Beasley. There were no other alternates. But here is how he came to name her. Pam, to me, has a Midwestern sweetness that felt right. And I liked how similar the Jim and Pam sounds are.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, then they're both three letters.

[Jenna Fischer]

As for Beasley, that came later. It has a humble feel, like generations ago, they were the village beekeeper who sold honey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Greg, I love him.

[Jenna Fischer]

So that's how he came up with the name.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love it. Next question is from Lucy P. In Tennessee. Lucy says, do you think Pam would have gone on a date with Toby if he ever asked her out in season four? Or would she have turned him down?

[Jenna Fischer]

Lucy, I don't think she would have gone on a date with him. And when she said, in that game, who would you do? And she said Oscar or Toby, she was just saying that because she couldn't say Jim.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't think Pam ever saw Toby that way.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't think so either. Yeah, but I love that question. Next up is Aaron S. From Maryland. Aaron says one of the best things the writers on the show did was not to have Jim and Pam get together right after season one. It's very subtle when you're just watching through the episodes, but it's so powerful that Pam was given the time to be on her own after ending her long engagement on the initial watch. It feels like Pam is being silly or cowardly, not just telling Jim how she feels, but I actually think that was the much more difficult and much braver decision. Her personal growth during that period when Jim Is away. And then when he returns and dates Karen is so great to watch and re watching when the initial frustration of prolonging the Jim and Pam's union is not so strong. Can you share any thoughts you have about Pam's growth during this time and some of your favorite storylines she had without Jim?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Erin, I absolutely loved season three as Pam for this very reason. I loved season two, but I just love Pam figuring out who she is away from Roy and away from Jim.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did too. I thought it was really important.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really important. And in answer to your question about just some of my favorite storylines that I had without Jim, because I think we do think of Jim and Pam together a lot. But there were great storylines throughout my time in the office that I got to have that were all for Pam or that were Pam and other people.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I know, I know one of my favorites.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael Scott Paper company.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. I actually pulled a fan question that I saw from Audrey D. And Lafayette Louise, Louisiana.

[Angela Kinsey]

My birth town.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Who said, hi, ladies. I'm 15 and a huge fan. I was wondering at what point in the show do you think Pam was at her happiest and most authentic? For me, it seems like the Michael Scott Paper company arc, she feels more regulated, silly, happy, and genuine, even though she's technically farther from Jim. Well, I have to agree with that too. And I liked that we had these moments on the show where we got to see Pam fly, flourishing, separate from her love relationship.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I made a list of a few others that I just loved getting to do on the show. My nothing to do with Jim storylines. Lice.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lice.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, I guess it kind of has something to do with Jim, but.

[Angela Kinsey]

It'S really about Pam and Meredith.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is. And I loved it. Everything. Party planning committee, especially the dueling Christmas parties.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved Earth. Her relationship with Karen in that episode, them teaming up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I watched all of our party planning committee scenes when I was researching Pamsas. I wanted to play a bunch, but I already felt like I had a lot of Pamsats. But oh, man, there's some good ones.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I also loved big Preg's little pregs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love my cold open with chore wheel and Pam's just like love of order and chores and things that spoke to me. And I loved the episode vandalism, when she teams up with Dwight and they figure the truck and all that stuff. I just love that. And then I just. I loved every, every bit of her relationship to Michael, you know?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And that was Very separate from her relationship with Jim.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so fun in doing these all about episodes because I feel like when I watched the show, I watched it for the whole ensemble. But in doing these All About, I go specifically to these scenes for this one character.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I watched a lot of the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes and just Pam and Michael on the road together is so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was so fun to do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Next question is from Matt V in Delaware. Matt says, while I truly love every aspect of the Office, the singular thing that consistently still blows me away is every time the way Pam looks at Jim compared to anything else, there is something just so incredibly natural and real about it. He goes on to say, Jenna, how did you tap into something that felt so genuinely real for these non speaking portions of the role? Was there a crush from your childhood you were pulling back up the feelings from? Or was it just through trying to truly feel what you believe Pam was feeling?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Matt, I appreciate this question because a lot of the role of Pam Beasley is non verbal. You know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. It's a lot of reacting.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And so I had to really say a lot without a lot of dialogue. So I went back to a couple of exercises that I did in acting school. One of them was called Private Moment. And it's an exercise in stillness. You have to come to class and recreate an ordinary moment and try to do it in front of people as unselfconsciously as possible. It's supposed to be a moment in silence without any speaking and also something that you would normally do alone. But it should be very ordinary and very simple. So it could be as simple as putting on shoes in the morning or brushing your teeth, or washing your face, or sitting on your bed and writing in a journal. And you just have to move through that moment without trying to push at.

[Angela Kinsey]

All and without even thinking that anyone is watching you. It's that private, quiet time that when you're alone in your home.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Completely non performative in any way. We also had to do these acting exercises called interior monologues. And this is where in your script you go through and you write everything your character is thinking but not saying. And when I played Pam, I was always asking myself, what is Pam not saying? And you know, we do this in our life all the time. We can sit in a work meeting and we're literally talking, but also making a grocery list in our head. You know, it's like we can think one thing and say another thing. So that was another thing I brought to Pam and Early on, I would write her interior monologues in my script, and I would actively think them as if they were, like, alternate lines for my brain. And that's how I tried to get certain things to play out on my face when I didn't have dialogue. So, like, if there was a moment in the script where I was supposed to steal a glance at Jim, I would think to myself, don't look at Jim. Don't look at Jim. Don't look at Jim. And then I would look at him, and I would sort of hope that that would reveal how much Pam really wanted to look at him.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because I would be thinking, don't look at him. Don't look at him. Yeah, don't look at him.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so good. I would write, like, one word next to, like, a paragraph if I had dialogue, whatever it might be that I thought Angela was feeling down deep about something because she often was just kind of hostile and abrupt, but maybe that day she was feeling fearful or sad or anxious, like, so I would just, like, write an emotion word to go along with what was being said, which.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is why I think your character was so layered, rather than, like, that one note of bitchiness. You always had your secondary emotion that you were playing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I definitely tried.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. That's good acting.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I really saw so much emotion in Pam, in just your eyes, Jenna. I thought you were just so good at conveying so much. Really good acting class. Watch Jenna as Pam, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Aw. Thanks, lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

Alison W. From Winnipeg wrote in to say, jenna, when did you realize your character was a part of one of television's greatest love stories? How did that feel then and now? And Leighton R. Wrote in from Folsom, California, saying, Pam's relationship with Jim is a fan favorite. How did you and John Krasinski develop the chemistry that made their bond so believable? Lady, I have to tell you, I just saw a trailer for Will Ferrell's new movie with Reese Witherspoon, and literally, their daughter is at her wedding day doing her vows, and she says, you're the Jim to my Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

And this movie that is just coming out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Isn't that wild?

[Jenna Fischer]

That is nuts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, that is. I mean, just one example of how ingrained I feel, like, into pop culture. Are Jim and Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Yes. And I saw this question as well, Angela, and I'm so excited to get to talk about this, because people ask all the time about my chemistry with John. And for a long time when the show was on the air and even afterward, People would get upset when they learned we were not a couple in real life.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know people still want to believe it.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I did this interview once where I talked about all this in a really clunky way. And I was then misquoted, and all these clickbait articles went viral. And the misquote has gone on to be reprinted over and over again. I even saw it in a book, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I remember this. It was just crazy. Do you wanna share the misquote?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Since we're talking about this.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, this is the time I.

[Jenna Fischer]

Was on Watch what Happens Live, which, by the way, is a show that I love. And Andy Cohen is amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Such a fun show.

[Jenna Fischer]

Also from St. Louis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this is no reflection on it, but a fan called in to ask how John and I had such great chemistry while not being a couple in real life. And I said this quote. I looked it up, Ang. Here is my quote.

[Angela Kinsey]

Direct quote.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I said this quote. There's, like, a real part of me that is Pam, and a real part of him that's Jim. And those parts of us were genuinely in love with one another. In real life, we aren't totally Pam and totally Jim. So in real life, we're not like Jim. Perfect match. He was like a type of spouse that I had for a long time. He was my partner, and we will always be close because of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, that makes perfect sense to me. It's a very actor y answer.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a little actory. It's a little clunky.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I mean, I get it, though. I hear what you're saying. You're saying that as an actor, the part of you that was Pam and as an actor, the part. Part of him that's Jim had a real bond. But you say it not in real life.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not in real life.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, but no, people misquoted it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, is it misquoting or is it clickbaiting? Because.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it's clickbaiting.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like it was clickbaity.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I know why it was hard to describe it. It's because you don't want to let people down, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. I was always afraid to tell people that in real life, we're just friends, you know, because the fandom for Jim and Pam is so strong. But yeah, we were just great scene partners and we had this deep mutual respect for one another. That's it. We never dated or anything. Just friends. But oh, my goodness, Angela, the clickbait.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I woke up to my phone blowing up, and it was not just tabloids. This was everywhere. It was like every website and on TV shows. It was insane.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, it was like people picked it up like it was news, which is bonkers. But I looked up some of the headlines. Do you want to hear them?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is it okay if I read them?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, because I read the quote, and now look at what all the headlines said.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, LA Times, the Los Angeles Times. Quote, jenna Fisher was genuinely in love with Office costar John Krasinski.

[Jenna Fischer]

I never said that.

[Angela Kinsey]

You never said that. Entertainment Weekly. Jenna Fisher reveals she and John Krasinski were genuinely in love while filming the Office. Boy, they really latched onto that genuinely in love thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why are you allowed to take three words and turn it into a new context? Is what I don't understand.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. BuzzFeed wrote, Jenna Fisher and John Krasinski were genuinely in love while filming the Office. And now are. Our hearts are melting.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now we're adding emotion to it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, yes. And it goes on and on like that. All the articles just pulled the phrase genuinely in love, as if the context of what I said wasn't important. I never said we were genuinely in love.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. So here's the thing. When something like that happens to you and your phone's blowing up, what do you do?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know, I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

What do you do now? It's like, it's so crazy, because no matter how much you, like, try to correct it, it is out in the world.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Well, here's what I did. I called John. He answers the phone, and he goes, hey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no. He gave you a Stacy. He had seen it all.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh. His phone had been blowing up, too. And I was like, john. I was clickbaited. And he said, oh, I know. I read the whole quote. And you guys, you have to know that me and Lee are good friends with John and Emily.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You guys have done vacations together. You've done playdates with your kids.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And John says, you know, I actually have a press junket coming up. So I'm happy to say that you were misquoted. I know. I was like, john, no, everyone's gonna ask you about this now at this press junket, he said, don't worry about it. I'll say you were misquoted. And I said, that's great.

[Angela Kinsey]

Just simple. She was misquoted, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, well, that did not go well either. After he tries to set the record straight, all these headlines come out that say, John Krasinski says he was not in love with Jenna Fisher. But all the Stories still imply that I was in love with him. So that news cycle goes out.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's not helping.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. And so now my phone is blowing up again, and John calls me and I'm like, hey. And he's like, I am so sorry. I was trying to help. And at that point, I said, just forget it. Just forget it. I'm never getting rid of this. And of course, here I am talking about it again, and I guess probably opening myself up to more of this clickbait bullshit. I guess my long answer to the fan question, when did I realize that I was part of one of television's greatest love stories? And how did that feel then and now? Well, I realized pretty early on that people have a strong attachment to Jim and Pam, but I never really thought about how that attachment might become sort of weird with, like, global news stories, clickbait articles and stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I mean, that is weird. And it's kind of a drag because, I mean, love Jim and Pam, love them, but this part of it is a little bit of a bummer. And, you know, I never had that with Rainn. I don't think duangela quite packs the punch like, jam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you know, I remember early in my career, for a really long time, there was this misquote about me that was in an article I was doing about animal rescue. And I had said in my interview that during my time in animal rescue, I. I said that I had rescued and rehabilitated and found homes for 12 cats. Well, the article just said I had 12 cats. So, like, for years, when I would do other interviews, they would ask me about my 12 cats, and I would have to say, I don't have 12 cats.

[Angela Kinsey]

So weird. The things that somehow get distorted and people latch onto this is nowhere. Nowhere like what you've been through. But one time in an interview, someone asked me what my favorite food was, and I said, I love tacos.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know you to love tacos.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I was on the spot. I was like. It was like on a red carpet, you know, like, what's your favorite food? And I was like, I don't know tacos. I mean, I can't tell you how many times people ask me, like, hey, we know you love tacos.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you ever arrive places and they've put tacos, like, in your dressing room because they googled you and they know how much you love them?

[Angela Kinsey]

No, but I did have a gift basket one time that had taco seasoning in it.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what I'm Talking about. That's what I'm saying.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I think it's on my Wikipedia page.

[Jenna Fischer]

It might be your love of tacos and my 12 cats.

[Angela Kinsey]

I said it one time.

[Jenna Fischer]

And my genuinely in love.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw, lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, listen, the bottom line is I am really proud of the work that John and I did on the show. Really proud. And I feel so lucky to have had John as my scene partner all those years. I couldn't have done it with anyone else. This. I know we shared a brain when it came to Jim and Pam. Yeah, we did. It was really special.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And it is really cool that you're part of this iconic television lore, this amazing couple that so many people love.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I'm really glad we finally talked about that. Next question is from Rachel N. In North Carolina. Rachel says, I'm asking this question on behalf of my husband, Raj. Do you think Pam would have married Roy if Jim had not confessed his love and transferred to Stanford?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I love this question. No, I don't. I don't think Pam would have married Roy. I think she would have eventually been honest with herself, like as the wedding was approaching. I think it's why she wasn't super bummed to have a three year engagement.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, if you look at Pam and Roy, none of them were trying to push that boulder up the mountain. They were just fine to kind of just stay in this sort of purgatory place in their relationship.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, look at how quickly Pam and Jim get married after they get engaged.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I don't think she would have.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I agree. Next question is from Carrie B. In Tacoma, Washington. Carrie says Pam's occasionally random friendship with Dwight is one of my favorite character relationships on the show. Pam and Dwight were always funny and yet somehow also sincere. Jenna, what is your favorite Pam and Dwight moment?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, there are so many. I mean, I love the injury. That's kind of where it starts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved vandalism. But my favorite storyline with Dwight is Pam's replacement. It's where Pam is super pregnant and she realizes that Dwight is the only person who's being honest with her because everyone's telling her how gorgeous she is and then Jim is telling her that he doesn't find Kathy attractive. I actually pulled a clip because this scene in particular was one of my favorite to do with rain. I know it sounds nuts, but I think Dwight is the only one who's telling me the truth. Dwight, am I hot right now? Why would I or anyone else Think.

[Angela Kinsey]

That you're hot right now.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't impregnate you. And that's the driving force between male female attraction. What about before? Was I attractive before?

[Angela Kinsey]

Meh.

[Jenna Fischer]

You were at your most attractive when.

[Angela Kinsey]

You were 24, with a slight gradual.

[Jenna Fischer]

Decline and a steep drop off when.

[Angela Kinsey]

You got pregnant for the first time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Gradual recovery and. Well, now obviously you're at an all time low.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hmm.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think Jim's lying to me about not being attracted to Kathy. You think Jim's lying?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know he's lying. Five bucks if you can get him to admit it. Done. I never touch a pregnant woman. Yep, that's the Dwight I need. I love it. I love that scene. You know, we all have that friend who can really give it to you straight.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it doesn't hurt your feelings and you actually need it because the rest of the world is gaslighting you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I love that scene. And then, of course, this episode has the whole Mike Tibbets runner, which was so much fun to shoot. So I would have to call that my favorite.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, our last question is from Laura P. In Wisconsin. Laura says, jenna, did you ever find it annoying that you are most known recognized for playing Pam? Do you wish you were recognized for other work?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. It is my honor to have played Pam. I'm getting choked up. I don't know why. What a legacy. I do not need more. I don't. I don't need more. I remember being at Greg Daniel's house at dinner, and the show was coming to an end and I said, I have no more career goals. This was it. I wanted to play a character that meant something to people on an ensemble television comedy. And I did it. That's all I wanted when I came to Los Angeles. So it's my honor to be remembered for doing that thing. I mean, who. Who gets to do that? What a. What a gift.

[Angela Kinsey]

What a gift.

[Jenna Fischer]

I do want to win a Tony Award, though. I do have a new career goal.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know what?

[Jenna Fischer]

A late in life new career goal.

[Angela Kinsey]

We all have goals for our seasons of life.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And your goal for this season is a Tony. Well, I want to end with this wonderful letter. It's going to be our final word here on the All About Pam Beasley episode. It's from Alison C. In Florida. And Alison wrote in and said this. When I first watched the Office in middle school, Pam was one of the first characters I ever fully saw myself in. My dad describes me as having quiet strength, and I don't think there's a better phrase to describe Pam Beasley. Watching her blossom as the show went on gave me hope for myself. In the final episode, Pam quoted, it would just make my heart soar if someone out there saw this and said to herself, be strong, trust yourself. Love yourself. Conquer your fears. Just go after what you want and act fast because life just isn't that long. Pam would be proud to know that a little girl watching latched onto those words. I even printed it out and tacked it on my bedroom wall, where it remained all throughout my high school years. That little girl named now has her first office job post college and loves the office more than ever. And that little girl fully believes that Pam was the main subject of the documentary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, thank you, Alison.

[Angela Kinsey]

She says that's my personal soapbox from the quiet, creative girls all around the world. Thank you, Jenna, for showing us that there's a lot of beauty in ordinary things. That is kind of the point after all. Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. That really moved me. You know that quote, I said it, I didn't write it. That is the heart of Greg Daniels. That's the message he wanted people to take from this character and this beautiful arc that he crafted along with all the other writers for me to play. And I mean, letters like that are exactly why I don't need to be remembered for doing anything else.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's just beautiful. Yeah, it really is.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we just love you guys so much. Thank you so much for listening to Office Ladies and Office Ladies 6.0 and your support over the years and just these great questions. We just love you doing this. And thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much. And thank you, Sam, Cassie, and Angela for my birthday celebration. You know, last year I turned 50 and I didn't get a big birthday because I was actually in chemotherapy for my 50th birthday. So this year is an extra special milestone and you've kicked it off in the best way. Thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, let's go eat some cake.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let's do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You guys have a great week.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odysee and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins, our audio engineer is Sam Keefer, and our associate producer is Ainslie Bubaco.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basel.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton. Is your schedule crazy? Just want some me time. IKEA knows you could use a sanctuary from stress. Why not turn your bedroom into the space to decompress?

[Jenna Fischer]

IKEA has a large selection of comfortable beds, pillows, decor, mood lighting and so much more. Every time you step in there, it's nothing but me time. I mean, you time sounds like a dream, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

IKEA is here to make your me time dreams come true. Visit in store or at ikea-usa.com sleep to create a comfy, blissful bedroom today.