Billie Eilish vs. Office Trivia

Summary

Office Ladies Podcast: Billie Eilish vs. Office Trivia

Release Date: May 13, 2026
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Special Guests: Billie Eilish & Jack Metzger (AJR)

Episode Overview

In this energetic episode, Office Ladies hosts Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey are joined once again by pop sensation and superfan Billie Eilish, who returned to the show by request. Billie dives deep into her love for both The Office and the Office Ladies podcast, shares her favorite moments from the series, offers behind-the-scenes insights, dishes about her new concert film Hit Me Hard and Soft (co-directed with James Cameron), and pairs up with friend Jack Metzger for an epic Office trivia showdown. The episode is rich with laughter, nostalgia, sincere admiration, and some truly tough fan moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Billie Eilish’s “Superfan” Status

• Billie joyfully admits she now listens to Office Ladies more than she even re-watches The Office:

  "I listen to it every single night to fall asleep...I've listened to every single episode except, like, when you talk about Star Wars." – Billie (05:02)

• She details how the podcast became her daily background comfort, and even claims, "I've never done anything more than watch The Office" until she discovered their show.
• Billie recounts how it was “trippy” to hear herself pop up on old episodes of Office Ladies.

2. Billie’s Favorite (and Deep Cut) Office Moments

Billie painstakingly narrows down her most-loved scenes and character moments—highlighting both iconic and overlooked details:

• Pam & Jim’s Love Confession (Casino Night)
  • Billie calls Jenna’s performance—in particular, Pam’s talking head after Jim’s confession—"some of the most incredible acting I've ever seen in my life."
  • Jenna explains the emotion came from sharing the moment with director Ken Kwapis:

    "If I had to look at a tennis ball, I can't say you would have gotten the same thing." – Jenna (16:07)

• Superfan Episodes and Deleted Scenes
  • Billie points out the value of the extended scenes:

    "Scenes that were in the original episode but lengthened on either side...you didn't know there was more to that scene that you've seen forever." – Billie (08:50)

• Angela Martin’s Line Delivery
  • Billie, with comedic delight, singles out Angela’s dry delivery:

    "'What are you talking about, Michael?' It's literally, like, the most incredible delivery of a line ever." – Billie (20:41)

  • She also applauds Angela for transforming so completely into such a different personality from her own.
• Michael Scott’s Meandering Genius
  • Favorite moments include Michael’s aimless rants (e.g., Crime Aid meeting, animal combinations) and his oddly heartfelt monologues.
• Breaking/Corpsing on Set
  • Billie appreciates when Jim (John Krasinski) visibly breaks during “Prison Mike” and says these moments capture real human reactions.

3. Discussing Billie’s Concert Film

Billie talks candidly about Hit Me Hard and Soft:

• Reluctance and Vulnerability
  • She was hesitant to include behind-the-scenes footage but learned the importance of showing “the brushstrokes.”
  • After James Cameron suggested filming candid moments, she saw its power for fans and herself.
• Artistry and Legacy
  • Billie reflects on how the film will serve as a record for her and her fans, echoing how Office Ladies preserves Dunder Mifflin memories:

    "It's so special...we have that with our podcast—we think about that all the time." – Angela (39:06)

  • Billie reveals she sprained her ankle before a taping, imbuing the project with personal resilience.

4. Themes of Community & Vulnerability

• Connection Through Art
  • The group reflects on how The Office and music act as communal joy-generators.
  • Billie draws a touching parallel between the bond in her fandom and the Office community:

    "What is the Office without the fans? It's just – it's all this one... The community of it. And that's my favorite thing in the world." – Billie (40:46)

• Jenna’s Openness About Health
  • Billie expresses gratitude for Jenna’s honesty about her breast cancer journey and the courage to share publicly:

    "You don't owe anyone anything, and yet you're so giving, and it's just so magical." – Billie (42:21)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Billie’s Fangirl Confession

  "I have listened to every single episode of your entire podcast...except when you talk about Star Wars."
  – Billie, (05:01)

• On Acting

  "Between you and John, acting that's ever been given to us as a people in the world."
  – Billie, (13:20)

• Pam’s Iconic Talking Head

  "Of any moment on The Office, that is, like, my best moment. And I know it."
  – Jenna, (14:14)

• Michael’s Rambling Genius

  "Sometimes I just start a sentence, and I just hope I find it."
  – Billie quoting Michael, (21:30)

• Angela's Subtle Comedy

  "'What are you talking about, Michael?' It's literally, like, the most incredible delivery of a line ever in life."
  – Billie, (20:41)

• On Community

  "The community of it. And that's my favorite thing in the world. I wouldn't do any of this if it weren't for that."
  – Billie, (40:46)

• Sharing and Joy

  "Every time you share as a person, you're stepping out there, rewarded...we must not forget that sharing saves lives."
  – Angela & Billie, (44:19)

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Trivia Showdown—Billie vs. Jack Metzger

(52:00–65:01)

Billie invites Jack Metzger (AJR), a fellow Office superfan, for an ultra-difficult trivia contest—ranging from official board game questions to custom-written “final round” questions from a national trivia champion.

Highlights:

• Billie and Jack ace classics:
  • Daryl told Michael to “start over” (53:00)
  • Dwight was Knights of the Night’s secretary
• Deep Cuts:
  • List the 18 toppings for “the works” pretzel (55:03)
  • Which candy bars did Michael reference in Business School? (“Payday, 100 Grand, Snickers, Whatchamacallit”) (57:31)
  • Name the “employee in both groups” during Creed's manager stint (“Phyllis”) and spot the fake (“Elroy”) (58:00)
  • Which company is in suite 202? (“Sherman Blinds and Rocks”) (58:54)
  • Which four countries are part of Dwight's “chandelier heist” monologue? (“United States, Canada, Mexico, France, Germany”) (59:30)
• Office invention debate (“Which Michael Scott idea could succeed?”):
  • Billie: “Mike’s Cereal Shack” gets her vote (61:38)
  • Jack: “Chair Pants” might be 1% a good idea (61:45)

Musical Tie-In

• Jack wrote AJR’s “Netflix Trip” about his life through the lens of The Office. It's played and discussed live (63:46).

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Billie Eilish rejoins and shares deep fandom | 03:37–08:01 | | Superfan episodes and rewatch styles | 08:01–10:34 | | Billie & hosts discuss favorite scenes | 12:32–30:41 | | On Michael’s tragic/funny childhood moments | 25:07–28:18 | | Conversation about Billie’s concert film | 33:23–40:54 | | Sincerity about community and sharing | 40:54–45:00 | | Trivia showdown with Jack Metzger | 52:00–65:01 | | Musical tribute: “Netflix Trip” by AJR | 63:46–64:46 |

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Tone and Style

The tone is lively, affectionate, and fan-forward—with genuine admiration and laughter fueling the conversation. Billie alternates between witty quips, deep-cut trivia, and surprisingly moving analysis of the show’s performances and meaning. Jenna and Angela remain warm, self-deprecating, and sharp, delighted by Billie and Jack’s passion.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Billie Eilish stands out as not just a celebrity guest but a true Office obsessive—her encyclopedic memory, nuanced observations, and emotional attachment are woven throughout.
• Her discussion of creative vulnerability and community echoes the podcast’s broader legacy and cult impact.
• The trivia segment offers both nostalgia and impressive feats of memory, cementing Billie and Jack’s status as elite fans.
• The episode celebrates the cross-generational joy of The Office, the power of sharing, and the special meaning fandom communities create for one another.

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Next Week Teaser

The hosts will be joined by Calvin Tenner (Glenn from the Warehouse) for more deep-diving Scranton stories.

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Transcript

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[Jenna Fischer]

I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Lovers podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week we will dive deeper into the world of the Office with exclusive interviews, behind the scenes details, and lots of BFF stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office Lady 6.0. Hi, everyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Howdy.

[Jenna Fischer]

We can't believe we're saying this, but

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, really, truly, we're fangirling because you guys, Billie Eilish is back on the podcast today. By her request, she reached out to us. I mean, lady, maybe we're cool.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're 100% cool now.

[Angela Kinsey]

We are now. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's official.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's official.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, listen, she is an incredible person. She was in the studio with us today. She also brought along her dog, Shark, and she talks about some of her favorite all time moments from the Office. Those were just so amazing to hear. She really knows the show.

[Angela Kinsey]

She knows the show. I mean, there are this like super Office fandom group that they know the show backwards and forwards. They can quote the show, they know the world, they love the world. And Billie is in that group. Of people.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And I loved talking about her favorite moments with her. And we also talked about her new live concert movie, which just came out. Hit Me Hard and soft in 3D, a movie that she co directed with James Cameron. She tells us about that. And Billie wanted to do another round of trivia.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Because the first time she was on the podcast, we did office trivia. She kicked our butts.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this time she enlisted her friend Jack, who called in, and we tried to think of some of just the hardest deep cut questions and.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you'll hear how it goes.

[Jack Metzger]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

So without further ado, please enjoy our conversation with the awesome Billie Eilish. All right, you guys, we're so excited because Billie Eilish is here with us today.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes. Hi, Billy.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is so great.

[Billie Eilish]

Hi, guys. I begged them let me back on the show. So here I am, back on the show.

[Angela Kinsey]

Billy, I cannot even believe you want to hang out with us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Truly.

[Billie Eilish]

I like called Cameron, who's sitting over there, and I was like, hey, I know, obviously, desert. You know, I already went on. I had my time, but can I go back on? Can I please go back on? And I have so many things to say, and I'm gonna get into it, but I'm so happy to be here right now.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was the most exciting email ever. I was in a dressing room at the mall and I yelped.

[Billie Eilish]

You did not.

[Jenna Fischer]

I did.

[Billie Eilish]

Come on.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was like, ah. And then I immediately side texting Angela, Angela, check your email.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I was driving, so I'm like, I can't see the email.

[Billie Eilish]

What is it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, we were very excited to have you.

[Angela Kinsey]

We were very excited.

[Billie Eilish]

I have one thing to say that is really, really crazy to hear myself say, and the fact that it's true. Shark, stop it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Shark's here.

[Billie Eilish]

Shark is here. Yeah, he's crying in the corners. But I obviously was nervous last time I came because it's you guys and it's the Office, which is like my oxygen. And there's that. But today, I have to tell you something, which is that I listen to Office Ladies more than I watch the Office. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. That is amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

More.

[Billie Eilish]

And by the way, I have listened to every single episode of your entire podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're kidding me.

[Billie Eilish]

Up until literally when I walked in the door, by the way, because I'm obviously obsessed with you in this incredible show that has changed my life forever. Like, I've seen the show so many times that I know what I'm watching. And I listen to. Obviously, I listen to it as soon as I wake up, when I get ready for the day, when I get dressed, when I'm driving, when I'm packing, when I'm cleaning. I listen to it every single night to fall asleep every single night. And I have listened to every single episode. Except, like, when you talk about Star Wars.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sorry.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm sorry you have to listen to Star Wars.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's really craptastic.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Billie Eilish]

The holidays, like, when you guys movie,

[Angela Kinsey]

though, is so bad. It's so good. We won't do the other one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Billie Eilish]

But I had to just say that I now listen to your podcast more than I watch the Office. And just so you know, to give you context, I've never done anything more than watch the Office because I started listening, like, after we did our podcast, and then I've listened to every single episode you guys have put out since 2019. God damn it. And literally up until I am 29 minutes into second drink of employee transfer, which you put out 13 hours ago. So I'm fully up to date. I am dying every single episode. Hearing both of your voices right now is, like, very confusing for me because I hear them every day, all day. Like this. Not in the Office, like this. And Sam being here, I'm like, sam, I feel like I know so much about you, Sam. Cause weren't you here when I was here?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Cause, like, I didn't even think Sam is day one. That's just. I know. I mean, I know that, but I don't. I was like, oh, hey, Sam, you know, when I met you the first time, and now I have all this lore about you, Sam. And I'm like, I know all about Cassie. And I'm like, I know everything. And I am as much a fan of Office ladies as I am of the Office. And so, yeah, anyway, that's my thing. That's my spiel, and that's why I needed to get the hell in here.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, first of all, this is so exciting.

[Angela Kinsey]

I am speechless. Which is rare, because that is so sweet. And I'm pretty sure I live on that for a long time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, are you still watching the Office at all?

[Billie Eilish]

I'm still watching the Office, but I watch the Office now more as, like, a TV thing. Cause it used to be my podcast. Like, it used to be.

[Jenna Fischer]

I used to listen to it.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm not even kidding. Yes. I would put it in my pocket. Yeah, I mean, I still do that. I did that last night. I've been like, Putting up frames on my walls and like, putting up pictures. And I've been like drilling them into the walls. And so I put my phone in my pocket and I'm like, I'm carrying things around my house. And usually it used to be the Office playing because I know what it looks like. I just need to hear it to like, visualize it. Cause I have it all memorized and now it's you guys. But yeah, I watch the Office now as a little dessert. Like a little gift to myself. It's more of a watching TV than it used to be.

[Jenna Fischer]

Are you still going in order or do you jump around now?

[Billie Eilish]

I still go in order. I can't really jump around because I'm watching the Super Fan episodes.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was asked all the way through.

[Angela Kinsey]

Are you watching that?

[Billie Eilish]

Of course.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I think Dave Rogers.

[Billie Eilish]

You know Dave Rogers. Absolutely.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's like, done an amazing job.

[Billie Eilish]

Amazing job. I think it was fun running that the deleted scenes were so amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's on his list of his 10 favorites.

[Billie Eilish]

It's amazing. And the whole episode I was like, these are so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And then. Yeah, there's like some episodes with so many deleted scenes where you're like, whoa, Whoa. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Interesting. And like deleted scenes are just little snippets of moments that he finds that are non verbal. I love, like, so good. More like looks around, like people clocking what Michael's doing or whatever.

[Billie Eilish]

Also, you have said this about the Superfan episodes. That one thing that's so interesting is so many of the scenes that are added are the scenes in the shots that were in the original episode but lengthened on either side. Yeah. Where it's like you didn't even know there was more to that scene that you've seen forever, which has been really amazing. So I'm currently. I've watched everything but season nine because those just came out. So I'm about to start season nine of the Superfan episodes. But I keep, like going back to the beginning and then like, if people are watching with me, I will go to like season four because it's just so good that it's undeniable. Just to make sure everyone knows how incredible it is.

[Jenna Fischer]

So, yeah, I'm rewatching with my kids, so this will be my second rewatch.

[Billie Eilish]

Amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

We are in the middle of season five. I can't remember where we just ended, but I really love season four and five.

[Billie Eilish]

They're unbeatable.

[Jenna Fischer]

They are so good.

[Billie Eilish]

They are so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like, goodbye, Toby. When I knew that Michael was gonna do his Song. I didn't even watch the tv. I just watched my kids. I love it when he's like. He's outta. Toby's going away. Like, I love it.

[Billie Eilish]

See ya.

[Angela Kinsey]

See ya.

[Billie Eilish]

I love it. Oh, my God, it's so good. Yeah, it's so exciting, too, that your kids get to live it with you and also see this thing that is on camera forever that you get to watch. It's just amazing. And then their kids will be able to watch it. Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's crazy.

[Billie Eilish]

Isn't that insane?

[Jenna Fischer]

Wild.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we've talked about this, and you've probably heard me say this, but when your kids, friends who have always known you is just Isabel's mom, and then all of a sudden, you're Angela Martin to them, and they're like, whoa, what? I'm like, you guys want a snack?

[Billie Eilish]

And they're like, yeah. You're just like, it's really wild. It's so wild. It just. Cause it just. The view changes. It's like me with Sam. I'm like, wait, Sam is here? I know so much about Sam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sam, you have to say hi.

[Billie Eilish]

Hi.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hi, Sam.

[Billie Eilish]

Hi. I know your voice so well. It's good to meet you again. Wow. Amazing. This is insane. And this is how all fans, office ladies specifically feel is like you guys are with me through everything. Like, everything I'm going through. At least I have you guys. And what's really been crazy is I was in my house. I was, like, cleaning something, or, you know, this was a while ago. This is when I was, like, halfway through all of your episodes. And I hear like, oh, by the way, Billie Eilish said did it. And I went like. Cause I'm like, I forgot for a second you broke your own first wall. Whoa. Whoa. And then that happened multiple times. And then because I'm letting them play and play and play, I have them all in my queue, so I'm not looking at which one is coming next. And so then it's like, guess who's here today? And then my voice appears and I hear, hi, guys. And I'm, like, sitting in my living room, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, it's the most trippy thing, because obviously I experienced doing that with you guys, but I literally am Isabel's friends. Like, I feel like I have this whole new, like, view of it, and it's just the most insane thing in the world. Oh, God.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, okay, first of all, last time you were here, we said, you can come back anytime. That invitation stands.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, Here I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here you are. And we be careful what you wish for.

[Billie Eilish]

Seriously.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we wanted to talk to you about some of your favorite the Office moments, and you actually said there's almost so many.

[Billie Eilish]

That there's so many.

[Angela Kinsey]

But we were gonna try to narrow it down to three.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay, we can try. Well, that is a really hard question. I spent the whole week writing down everything and scrolling through every episode to make sure that I had the right ones. Okay. So I'm gonna try to narrow it down. First of all, one of the most incredible scenes. Oh, God. Okay, wait. I'm gonna say two in one, because they're similar.

[Angela Kinsey]

I literally can see your brain going through a Rolodex.

[Billie Eilish]

Rolodex brain right now. Because I have so many. Okay, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

God damn it. Two scenes that are absolutely some of the most incredible acting I've ever seen in my life and undeniably the most incredible. Between you and John, acting that's ever been given to us as a people in the world, specifically when he confesses that he's in love with you, that is one of the most groundbreaking scenes to me. And, like, iconic. And it's such a basic answer. Cause it's such an amazing scene. Everything about it is so special. And on that same note, jumping ahead when you do your talking head, when he's doing his interview for Stamford, you know, you. You know, you killed that whole. You just. I feel like if I were you, I would be like, yeah, that was pretty good. That was pretty good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Of any moment on the Office, that is, like, my best moment. And I know it. Like, I know it.

[Billie Eilish]

You better know it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pretty great.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, everything that comes across your face, it says everything. Phenomenal. And also, not only do you know it, but Kim Kwapas knew it too. And he's just. Everyone knew it.

[Billie Eilish]

It's obvious.

[Jenna Fischer]

Can I tell you that I was scrolling Instagram recently, and someone posted that the reason I gave that performance was because I didn't know John was gonna come in the door and deliver that.

[Billie Eilish]

I love when they make that stuff up.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's not true. Everybody. I knew it was in the score, of course. Like, it was ridiculously timed.

[Angela Kinsey]

But not only that, she had to do that take multiple times. So it's like, I knew he was coming.

[Jenna Fischer]

I knew he was coming.

[Billie Eilish]

No, you're just an amazing actor.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

You know, everyone loves him. Of course he's gonna get the job. And, you know, just. We never got the timing right. I shot him down. He did the same, but it's fine. Everything's gonna be fine. And you turn and there he is. Are you free for dinner tonight? You go, yes. And he says, it's a date. You turn back to the camera and your eyes have filled with tears.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know how I did it.

[Billie Eilish]

I don't know how you did it either. Like, how did you do that?

[Jenna Fischer]

When I turned back, the look on Ken Kwapas face. He was next to the camera.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was our director.

[Billie Eilish]

I remember you saying this.

[Jenna Fischer]

He looked at me.

[Billie Eilish]

It's insane.

[Jenna Fischer]

He'd been with us since the pilot.

[Angela Kinsey]

She felt like our dad. And like having that moment where your dad is like, you did it, Kate.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know when something means something to you, it's really moving. But when you can lock eyes with someone who knows just as well what it means to you, then you lose it. And so the fact that the Pam inside of me was getting all of her wishes come true in that moment. But then I could look in the eyes of someone else who knew that all of Pam's wishes were coming true. That is what did it. If I had to look at a tennis ball, I can't say that you would have gotten the same thing. So there was like. There was another performance happening off camera that was helping you.

[Billie Eilish]

It's just so amazing. And when you did that, I mean. Cause you had to do multiple takes. I don't understand how one can recreate this also. Cause it's not like a scene where you're starting it out crying. It's like that's a whole other hard thing. But it's like doing the same scene over and over where you're starting out totally normal and unaffected and then switching over. It's just like so amazing. And I just can't give you enough props. It's just so magical. And you're so incredible.

[Jenna Fischer]

Seriously. Thank you. I actually think it's easier to do starting to not cry into crying. Because if the writing is right and if you know your character, then the truth of it should make the emotion come. I've had to do scenes like I had to do that scene where I'm just like sobbing in the hallway and then Dwight comes up. To me, it was so much harder to get myself to that state. From zero, from nothing.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's crazy.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's when you have to listen to

[Angela Kinsey]

sad music and stay away from everyone scenes doing bits.

[Billie Eilish]

Right. And I know that everyone kind of left you alone and let you have that to fully get into it. And it's just so amazing and moving and I'm Also obsessed with your song to get you. I think then it was the Please, Please Let Me get what I Want cover by who? Was it Deftones or something insane?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think that's right. Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

That's an insane choice, Jenna. It's an amazingly insane, amazing. Like, by the way, please, please, Please Let Me get what I Want by the Smiths is an incredible song, and it is so heartbreaking. And when you said that, I thought, wow, that's an amazing choice. And I thought, oh, I haven't heard devtone's version.

[Jenna Fischer]

Listen to it.

[Billie Eilish]

And it's like. And I'm like, so hard jazz. Hell, yeah. That's just. I love. Because music does have that effect.

[Angela Kinsey]

This one is a metalhead.

[Billie Eilish]

It's amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, my son is. And so by default I have now.

[Billie Eilish]

It's amazing. It's just so magical and. Okay, I'm moving it along because I have more moments.

[Angela Kinsey]

One and a half. Ish of.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, there's a lot of moments. I'm just saying. Really?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay. In my most recent rewatch, because I'm listening to you guys talk about each episode, I'm really watching them more closely now because now I know so much behind the scenes of it, which is so fun and interesting and exciting. And, Angela, you just are just gold to the show. It's just like the amount of times that we watch this show and I'm like, wait for it. And then you just say something with the most perfect delivery. And it's so interesting because I know how different you are from Angela Martin. And now you're not that cold. You know, you're this bubbly angel of a person. And it is pretty upsetting how incredible you are at playing that kind of a character. And I know that you talked about how you've always kind of before that played, like, upbeat and fun, light characters. And like, on New Girl, you're like, yeah, okay. You know, just this, like, light, kind of owly. You have owl eyes. Like what you say in there. Anyway, moving on. So I feel like I know you so well now based on this show, and it's just even more impressive and like, okay, specific lines of yours that kill me. And that we quote all the time is like, when Michael is in the bullpen and he's trying to kind of derail everyone from knowing that some of them aren't going to get raises or that all the raises are going to be smaller. And he's like, yes, lend Oscar a cup of sugar. And you go, what are you talking about, Michael? It's Literally, like, the most incredible delivery of a line ever in life. Also, like, the amount of times that you, like, in the conference room just add, like, an oh, and it just. It always makes me laugh out loud. And your ability to be so cruel is uncanny and unbelievable and so moving. And also, like, just every time, like, Kevin pushes by you and you completely fall, it's just. It kills me. I'm, like, getting flustered, and I'm trying to think of, like, more specific moments. Wait, I have them written down.

[Angela Kinsey]

Please hold on.

[Jenna Fischer]

You mentioned Crime Aid.

[Billie Eilish]

Crime Aid. Freaking crime Aid.

[Angela Kinsey]

Your favorite moment from Crime Aid, I love so much that I asked Matt Beagle and Sam to pull it as a clip because we wanted to hear it, because it's that thing you love. Something that we both love, is when Michael doesn't know what he's saying, but he's trying to make a point, and he's just meandering all over the place.

[Billie Eilish]

This is one of my favorite Michael moments of all time. Cause Steve Carell just. Anything that comes out of his mouth is gold. And really, like, every line of his is my favorite of the entire show. And specifically, like, what you're saying when he's like, sometimes I just start a sentence, and I just hope I find it. I just don't know where it's going. But just maybe I'll find it along the way. That's one of my favorite things in the world. And you can just see that happen over and over and over.

[Angela Kinsey]

Imagine this. You're in the conference room with us.

[Billie Eilish]

I can't even.

[Angela Kinsey]

Steve is gonna have a meandering speech, and then he just starts freestyling it, like, just throwing in some extra random thoughts, and that'd be it. I would be like.

[Billie Eilish]

I can't even imagine.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, all right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, let's listen.

[Jack Metzger]

Okay, so in order to recoup the value of items we liked, we have to spend more money on things we don't want.

[Billie Eilish]

Who would ever come to this?

[Angela Kinsey]

Who would ever come to this?

[Jack Metzger]

I don't know. That is, like, any number of people.

[Billie Eilish]

Come on.

[Jack Metzger]

It could be a pedestrian. It could be. It could be a Looky Loo. Or it could be a Bruce Springsteen fan. What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Who said that?

[Jack Metzger]

Who said that? I did.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, why did I say that?

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, I think you know why I said that. I think it's very apparent. I think it goes without saying.

[Billie Eilish]

Bear with me.

[Jack Metzger]

There's a point there.

[Billie Eilish]

But what is the point?

[Jack Metzger]

I don't understand what he's saying.

[Billie Eilish]

It seems a little shady. It Seems a little foggy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jack Metzger]

Well, it's not a little fog. There's really something going on here.

[Billie Eilish]

Do you need us for any of this?

[Jack Metzger]

Do I?

[Billie Eilish]

Do you need us for any of this? Do I. Oh, my God. That kills me. Another really quick moment that is like that when he's like the head of a monkey and the body.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's the moment I could not recover from.

[Billie Eilish]

But how could you?

[Angela Kinsey]

He just started throwing out all kinds of animal combinations that weren't scripted.

[Billie Eilish]

And it just goes way too long.

[Jenna Fischer]

Also, there's like long pauses where you're like, animalistic.

[Billie Eilish]

We don't know. It's just the most amazing thing. His brain just works in a way that I just don't understand. One other moment that I just remembered just now is one of my all time favorites is when Ed Truck dies and he's like. It feels like someone dropped, I think, my soul or my heart into a bucket of boiling tears. And then someone else comes in and starts, you know, punching me in the grief bone. And he's just like making stuff up. But then it just always ends up being so heartbreaking and touching. I know, and it just kills me. Anyway, I could literally go on forever. I mean, it's interesting that you two are the ones with this podcast because obviously you two are best friends and you're such hard workers and you make this show because it's a passion of yours. But you happen to be two of the most important parts of this show. The Office, and two of the greatest actresses I've ever seen. And your performances in this show specifically are just so incredible. And just having it be you two is just really special. And everyone in the Office is incredible. But it's just. I don't know, I think I've just been more aware, I think recently of how incredible you are and noticing it throughout and just being like, wow, I can't believe how good Angela is. Anyway, let me stop. Well, I mean, just take it in. Just let me.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm just trying to take it. I'm trying to take it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Before we move on, I do wanna talk about your love of Michael's birthday. Cause you mentioned that my mother was

[Billie Eilish]

rubbing cream on me for probably three hours.

[Jenna Fischer]

Those talking heads, I mean, we were just talking about how it's like there's these talking heads and they're like, funny, but they're also like, ooh, Michael. Particularly when he's talking about his childhood or his family.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, God, I can't.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's rough.

[Billie Eilish]

I cannot deal with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

But you found a candy bag.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did.

[Jenna Fischer]

For Michael's birthday.

[Angela Kinsey]

So you know Michael has these talking heads about his worst birthdays.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So here's one that was in the script but was not used. Michael would say, on my 20th birthday, my supposed best friend Sam Ambrose ditched me for his twin sister's sweet 16 party. Like, I didn't want to go. That was my worst birthday until today.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's that whole runner of it being his worst birthday.

[Billie Eilish]

It's just they're all so, so tough to listen to. You're like, oh, I know, I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, not to make it worse, but I did ask Matt to pull. This is from the super fan of the surplus.

[Angela Kinsey]

And.

[Jenna Fischer]

And this is a worst birthday. This is a deleted scene. No, it's not a worst birthday. It's just about his childhood.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, okay, let's listen.

[Jack Metzger]

I would like to tell you a little story about a boy named it that doesn't even matter. Could be any one of you. And like any other 12 year old boy, he wanted a Pippi Long stocking doll for Christmas. But his evil stepfather Jeff said, no, you may not have what you want. You must have a football. And the boy cried and he cried and he cried and he held his breath as long as he could and he wouldn't eat his dinner. But you know something? It turns out that Jeff was right. Because I already had a GI Joe and a Stretch Armstrong and a Malibu Barbie and a Major mat. Which technically is enough for a tea party. So my point is this. I didn't need what I thought I needed. What I needed was to learn how to appreciate what I had. Which in this case was enough dolls to have tea with. Exactly. Got it now.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, God, Jeff. It's always Jeff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Always Jeff.

[Billie Eilish]

Another one like that that I just thought of too is when Jim says, just make fun of yourself and then they won't make fun of you after he falls in a lake. And he's like, actually, it's not the first time I fell into a lake. The girls used to throw me in a lake. And when he's telling it and then he's like, everyone's starting to get uncomfortable. Like, oh, this is actually kind of a deep rooted trauma thing. It's not actually funny. And then he goes too far. He says, too far and he has this frog in his throat. And he's like, thanks, thanks a lot, Jim. Thanks for the advice. It just kills me. I just can't even deal with it. And then also I have a couple Written down. Except I didn't write them down. I put them all in voice notes. So I'm reading all the transcription of my insane ramblings.

[Angela Kinsey]

So wait, you're rambling into your phone? Your favorite moments?

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, yeah. Cause I was trying to. Like, this is a really hard one for me. Like, this is a hard question for me. But the last one that I thought of was in weight loss, when he's like, kelly and I are the only ones who either pass out or almost pass out. And he does this flapping.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I know it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

And that is so amazing. It just so. Oh, God. And it's just so clearly just him.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

And it's so exactly how we feel as people. Like, it's just like the most, like, childlike tantrum flap that just every time he does that, it makes me laugh out loud. And then also. Okay, wait, Jark.

[Angela Kinsey]

Are you dreaming?

[Jenna Fischer]

That one got him.

[Billie Eilish]

He's looking really pig like right now. Just for everyone wondering, the other one was like, just. I mean, prison mic is just the most iconic thing in the world. And also, specifically, I love that John in the background is, like, kind of breaking. But my favorite part of him breaking is I like the idea that it's actually Jim laughing at what Michael is doing. Because one thing that I've always thought about the Office is, of course, the humor at the beginning of More is, like, so dry, and it's like, no one laughs. Right. And Michael is doing so many things to you, specifically in the first season, that is, like, you're just, like, looking at him deadpan and not laughing. And I feel like the one thing that I've always thought is, throughout the show, the amount of things that are so ridiculous and so, like, unironically funny, I would laugh out loud at in real life. And, like, the fact that Jim is dying laughing at Michael doing this prison mic thing, I think is so real. Because wouldn't you laugh at this guy doing that in front of you? Like, especially if you're with your friends and you're, you know, and you're not supposed to laugh, and you're not supposed to laugh. And so whenever anyone breaks, I'm like, that is so real, though, because in real life, somebody doing something as ridiculous as that, you would laugh without even meaning to, even if you're not supposed to. And I love those moments so much. Anyway, I have to cut myself off because I'm gonna keep going.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, Here's the thing. Ideas are easy. We all have them. But it's turning those ideas into Something real. That's the thing that usually slows me

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

It's the go to tool when you need to bring an idea to life fast and without overthinking it. And here's the best part. You don't need to be a fancy designer. Canva lets you create high quality visuals in just minutes with simple drag and drop tools. I love a drag and drop tool lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

So the next time you've got an idea and you need to make it real, think Canva. Canva, the thing that makes anything a thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Start designing [e-mail] hi everybody, I'm Maury Povich.

[Jack Metzger]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Here's the thing. It feels like everything is costing more right now. So when we find something that actually works and it feels like it's worth the money, we get really excited.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that thing is Catalyst Pet. It is a cat litter. Yes. But it lasts a lot longer than I expected. Like, one bag lasts a very long

[Angela Kinsey]

time, which means fewer refills, fewer emergency runs to the store because you're out of cat litter. Fewer moments of also looking at your bank account, like, what am I spending here?

[Jenna Fischer]

It also absorbs really well. You're not dumping out the whole box constantly. You really do. Just scoop and then add a little sprinkle from time to time.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, my cat loves it.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And lady, our houses don't smell. That's what we call value.

[Angela Kinsey]

So if you're cutting costs but still want something that actually works, Catalyst Pet is the upgrade you didn't know you needed. Give Catalyst a try. You can pick up a bag at Walmart or at Catalyst Pets.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we also want to hear about your movie. Yes, that's coming out.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a big Deal. This is amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, so by the time everyone hears this, the movie will be out. Because it came out on May 8th. It's hit me hard and soft, the tour. You co directed it with James Cameron in 3D. It's true. I mean, I saw the trailer. I already have tickets. I can't wait to see it.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's part of my daughter's birthday present on tv.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my go. Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

We've got a whole moms and daughters crew. We'll be filling up two different theaters. Okay. But, yeah, tell us about it. It looks so great. It looks like you're giving people a lot of access. Too real behind the scenes.

[Billie Eilish]

That was, like, not planned and kind of came about naturally. And I at first was very like, no, I don't want to do that. Because I was filmed from when I was 15 to when I was 18 for this documentary that was made, which was an amazing experience, but, like, a lot of my life was filmed and I kind of have this, like, oh, no, I'm good. Like, I don't know if I. You know. And so when it came about, I was like, oh, I would love to capture this show. First of all, it's my favorite show I've ever created, and I had such an amazing time on the tour. And just in general, that show is, like, my best work. Like, I just feel like you in that scene, like, I'm like, yeah, you know what? I will agree. This is my best work. I feel very proud. So I felt really excited about that. But at first I was like, I don't want to do any behind the scenes stuff. I don't want to make it like a documentary of any kind, because I don't want to share too much. And honestly, Jim James.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jim.

[Billie Eilish]

Jim, Jim. He agreed, by the way. But then when we were kind of moving through it, he was like, what if we just, like, talked and filmed it? And I was kind of like, I don't know. And it just came so naturally. And also beyond being naturally happening, it was also like, I saw the importance of it and I thought, you know what? This is the reality of me and my show. And it's like, yeah, if we're gonna be showing this show that I've worked so hard on, let's show the experience of doing that and what is my day like leading up to it? And also, like, the fans haven't seen that in a while, and I thought that it would be really fun for them too. And also in 3D, I mean, I would have loved to have seen my favorite artist when I was young, in 3D, because I could have felt like I was there and I was in front of them. And it's been a really intense and long and grueling process of making it and editing it and working on every aspect of it. But it's. Now I can feel. I feel, like, relieved. Cause I feel really good about it, and I think it's really good. And I'm really, really excited.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't wait.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really excited. You know, there's this great quote that has something to do with, like, one of the greatest gifts as an artist that you can give other artists is to show your brushstrokes. Because we so often just put out, like, the final thought. You just see the final thing. And so I feel like with this movie, we're gonna get to see some of the brushstrokes. We're gonna see how the whole thing comes together. My daughter just admires you so much, and I love that she's gonna see someone that she idolizes, like, doing all the work to get to the big moment on stage.

[Billie Eilish]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then also.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, that's true. I didn't even think about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's just really cool. You know, it's like a really valuable gift that you're giving. So thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I always love the final product. The process is what always just like tugs at my heartstrings. Cause you see how much work it really is, and it's. And it's so important to see the work that you put into something.

[Billie Eilish]

That's really true. Yeah, that's really true. I hadn't really thought about that. And it's really true. Cause I think it's so easy to see a final product and be like, well, that was perfect from the start, and it just wasn't. And also, even though this movie, we didn't start it until I was already way into the tour and I had been doing the show for a while, and it was kind of perfect at that point in terms of process. But we had filmed just to have. We had filmed a little bit of the beginning of the tour and also specifically the night before. And it's in the movie somewhat, but the night before we started filming, I sprained my ankle, which I hadn't done in six years I used to do all the time. And literally I was in Manchester to film the movie. I had this meeting with Jim. I went to my hotel, and I immediately sprained my ankle by stepping out onto my balcony, which was a 2

[Angela Kinsey]

inch you're so athletic in your concerts, but it was like stepping on the balcony.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes, that's what did it. And so I, the next day, started one of many, many shows in a row being filmed in 3D with a sprained ankle. And I was like, you know what? This gives me a challenge. I love a challenge. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna, you know, and I think, like, really what the movie is about, aside from, you know, the fact that this tour and this show is so special for me and I want everyone to see it, and the fact that the tour ended and not everyone in the entire world got to watch it, is. I feel so grateful and lucky that people who didn't get to come are gonna get to see it and feel like they were there. Also, people who did get to see it and wanna relive it and specifically, selfishly, that I will forever get to

[Jenna Fischer]

watch this document analysis.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so special, I think, to have any kind of visual or oral history of something that meant a lot to you. And we have that with our podcast. We think about that all the time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. We've said now we've gotten on record every memory and story minus the ones we're saving for Office ladies, burn it to the ground. We have them out there now.

[Billie Eilish]

Girl, we're all ready for that one. We are all ready for that. But it's like, literally in when Phyllis says, like, I worked here for this long and I never wrote anything down, you know, we all think like, oh, I'll remember that forever, and you just won't. And, like, if it's filmed and, like, you guys, like, this is recorded forever. Like, you're gonna have this forever to listen to, and you have the Office forever to watch. Like, it's just such a gift. And I feel, honestly, before Jim reached out to us, me, through my mother, he sent an email to my mom. Literally, that's how it happened.

[Angela Kinsey]

Amazing.

[Billie Eilish]

I was like, I didn't have any plans to film the show because I wasn't gonna make a concert film of any kind. And I was already feeling like, damn, that sucks. Like, this is such an important show to me and no one's ever gonna be able to watch it. And the movie really is about the fans. Like, the real truth is that. That it's all about the fans and my feeling of devotion to them and their feeling of that with me and our love. And, like, honestly, similar to the Office, it's like, what am I without my fans? You know? And it's like, what is the office without the fans. It's just. It's all this one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Absolutely. The community.

[Billie Eilish]

The community of it. And that's my favorite thing in the world. I wouldn't do any of this if it weren't for that. You know, it's a really cool thing,

[Jenna Fischer]

the openness and the, like, human to human thing that happens, like, when we meet someone and they are telling us how much the office means to them, that is such a gift to me that I get to be part of this thing that brought that other person this joy or whatever. So it's like, it's such a really cool connection.

[Billie Eilish]

It's really cool. And, like, you know, this is like, I know, like, an intense subject, but, like, what you were saying about sharing your process, that made me think of, like, your health journey, Jenna, and how what you said on the podcast about, like, this is a really intense, scary thing to be going through, and you have totally the right to be like, I'm never speaking about it. I'm never talking about it. Please don't ask me about it. And instead, because you have said on this podcast about how, like, sharing your experience might help other people and other people who are experiencing this, and that is such an amazing gift. And the amount of people that I think you sharing your health journey with, like, changed their lives and made them feel seen and, like, they're not alone, and that's just really special. And you don't have to do that yet you do. And I think, like, that's obviously, like, completely a different thing than the stupid little movie I'm doing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no.

[Billie Eilish]

But it just made me think of that, and I just wanted to verbalize to you, like, you don't owe anyone anything, and yet you're so giving, and it's just so magical. And, like, sharing your story with people just to help them is so selfless and so kind. And. Yeah, I just had to say that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, thank you. You know, it is a fine line. It's like, there's always that question of how much do I share and how much do I keep for myself. Sometimes, you know, when I start sharing about breast cancer, I have to think about breast cancer, and I'm pretty excited to not think about it. So there's that. But the thing is, is that anytime I've had a person tell me that they got checked because they heard my story or they found something early enough to do something about it because they got checked because they heard my story, it means so much to me. Like, it means so much to me, but yet Even still, I do pick my moments, and I think that it's okay to pick your moments of access. Like, you don't have to give everything, but, you know, there's a balance there. And I think that's. As an artist, I think we're always trying to find that balance, which is, like, how much do I have to keep for myself also in order to do my art? I don't know about you, but there's a certain amount of process that I get into superstitious thinking. And if I share too much, then it doesn't work.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah. And also, again, that just what you were saying made me think of how much I look up to you and how much everyone looks up to you. And I'm in no way trying to compare it, the two or your experience and your journey with anything in the entire world. Cause it's like, but you're talking about sharing. But I'm just talking about in general.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, when you.

[Billie Eilish]

Sharing is sharing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sharing. You put yourself out there.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Angela Kinsey]

Every time you share, no matter what it is you're sharing. And in life, whether you're, like a junior in high school and you decide to share your essay in front of the class or your, I don't know, a nurse at the hospital, and you share, like, the crocheted sweater you made. I don't know. Anyway, this is like a Michael Scott analogy. I am turning into Michael Scott. We've just covered. But I do think every time you share as a person, you're stepping out there, rewarded. Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And it's like. It's just. We must not forget that sharing saves lives. Like, it saves lives. And, like, it's just. It's easy to be like, ugh, no, no. And you know what? But you don't have to also. You don't ever have to.

[Angela Kinsey]

You don't have to. You get to decide. And the one thing I will say, you know, about the office and about your concerts and going to concerts like that. My daughter went to this concert with her friends and saw it, and there is a shared joy. And that's amazing. Like, to share joy with someone like, that should be our goal.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is to share joy. And I know your movie's gonna do that for people.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, thanks, Angela.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's gonna bring it to people who didn't get a chance to get to see it.

[Billie Eilish]

I know that that, to me, is, like, the most important thing, you know? And I'm just really excited. And also, I'm just. I'm excited Again, like, what you said, like, for people to, like, go have that experience together and, like, go with their friends and make friends and have this memory and go with their families, and, you know, it's just, like, thinking about that is really, really special. Anyway, sorry, Jenna, to bring that stuff up, but I just wanted to say that I feel very inspired by you and very tender towards you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I actually appreciate you saying it. It was well timed because I just agreed to do a little bit of, like, a public service campaign, and I was feeling a little nervous about it.

[Billie Eilish]

That's a lot.

[Jenna Fischer]

So thank you. Because, you know, I was nervous. So I'm gonna go into this campaign, and I'm gonna be fired up.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thanks to you.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, God, I'm glad you're. Everyone loves you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Anyway, all right, well, listen, we have one more thing planned before you leave, which is that you have requested. Yes. I have to do an office quiz

[Angela Kinsey]

with your friend Jack.

[Billie Eilish]

With my friend Jack. Okay, so let me explain really quick. So my best friend, Alex Wolf, he's an incredible actor. He's wonderful. And Alex, he has another very best friend, and it's Jack Metzger, and he happens to be the J in the band AJR if you've heard of them. Anyway, I met him through Alex, and, like, at some point a couple years ago, we met, and we were around each other, and I knew he was my best friend's other best friend who lived in New York. And we did. I was like, oh, you're the other best friend. Oh, you know? And then they were like, well, actually, Jack knows the office, like, better than anyone in the world. And I was like, oh, interesting. Cause no, he doesn't. And I remember immediately having this feeling of, like, the hell no, he doesn't. And actually, instead of it making me, like, we started talking about it, and I felt seen for the first time in my life. I was like, oh, my God. I've never met anyone who loves the office the way I do until I met Jack. And so we immediately became best buds. And now he's, like, one of my favorite people in the world. And anyway, all we do, we have a group chat called Office Trivia. He loves the office as much as me and almost is as good as I am with the trivia.

[Angela Kinsey]

Just the

[Jenna Fischer]

note. We're gonna take a break, and when we come back, we're gonna have Jacks, and we're gonna do trivia.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office trivia.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Billie Eilish]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, I can see. Okay.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay, Jack, like, our, like, connection about this show has been life changing, and I literally love you so much. Seriously. And so anyway, he is very nervous. He wouldn't say it, but he's very nervous. And he's trying to act cool, but he's really nervous.

[Jenna Fischer]

How many times have you seen it? Have you watched it a lot?

[Jack Metzger]

Honestly, I would say probably 20 times through.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, so do you have a favorite season or.

[Jack Metzger]

I'm probably gonna go with season two.

[Billie Eilish]

I would say season two.

[Jenna Fischer]

Respectable. I like it.

[Jack Metzger]

Yep, Season two. I used to watch it when it first came on first season on tv.

[Billie Eilish]

That's amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Appointment television days.

[Jack Metzger]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

Seriously, Must see TV Thursdays.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, well, let's get this trivia going. We're gonna start with this. It's the official office trivia board game. It says, are you a true dunderhead?

[Jack Metzger]

Whoa.

[Billie Eilish]

Dunderhead.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's find out. I'm gonn from this deck randomly. Here we go. And then Jenna has a special surprise quiz.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, but we're gonna do.

[Billie Eilish]

Look at that.

[Jack Metzger]

Lunch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here we go. Official the office trivia game.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm scared.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who told Michael to, quote, start over after Michael called him an idiot?

[Jack Metzger]

Daryl.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, Darryl.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. Right away. Okay, who was the secretary of knights of the night?

[Billie Eilish]

Dwight. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Softball.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay, that's, like, too easy. It was confusing almost.

[Angela Kinsey]

Whom did Dwight want to give a post apocalypse quote? Knapsack filled with canned goods. Chainsaw, gasoline.

[Billie Eilish]

D'.

[Jack Metzger]

Angelo.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

D'.

[Billie Eilish]

Angelo.

[Jack Metzger]

I'm sorry I didn't let you finish these questions.

[Billie Eilish]

I couldn't even process what you were saying. Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

You got that so quick. Okay, who became the receptionist and loved it while most of the office was in Florida? Yep.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is that five? That's four. Here we go. Who told Angela that the only premature baby in the room was the one her baby ate?

[Billie Eilish]

Oh. Oh, oh. Was the baby this baby ate? Oscar.

[Jack Metzger]

Oscar.

[Billie Eilish]

God, I couldn't. I haven't seen that episode in a while.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, you guys are five for five together. Of the official Office trivia game. But, Jenna, are you ready to razzle dazzle?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, guys, we received an email.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, God.

[Angela Kinsey]

Billie.

[Jenna Fischer]

That said you had requested, quote, the hardest trivia we could think of.

[Jack Metzger]

Why?

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a feeling that this board game would be too easy. So we asked one of the National Office Trivia Tournament winners to write some questions for you both. Okay, this is my friend, Will Allen, who competes in the National Online Office Trivia Tournament with his team, who's yous Worm Guy? At its peak, this competition was between over 700 teams from around the country. His team won twice and placed in the top 10 over a dozen times. So this is his pedigree.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, no pressure, no pressure.

[Jenna Fischer]

He says, quote, this is a very difficult quiz. The easiest questions of this quiz would be final round questions in a hard office Trivia tournament.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Metzger]

What are we doing here?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, question number one. There are 18 toppings that make up the works.

[Billie Eilish]

Damn it. I knew this was gonna happen. Unpredzled in.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, how many can you name? All right.

[Billie Eilish]

Caramel drizzle. Cotton candy bits. Caramel drizzle. Those.

[Jack Metzger]

I'm like, is there white chocolate chips?

[Jenna Fischer]

There is not. White chocolate.

[Billie Eilish]

Chocolate chips. Chocolate chips.

[Jack Metzger]

Failing already.

[Billie Eilish]

Is chocolate chips even in there? Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

You have cotton candy bits. Chocolate chip.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay, wait. Chocolate chip.

[Angela Kinsey]

Will said, for a mild amount of respect, please name five.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, you got this.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm gonna give you a hint. You have danced around a few of the words.

[Billie Eilish]

Chocolate. Chocolate.

[Jenna Fischer]

Chocolate.

[Billie Eilish]

Chocolate.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Chocolate. White chocolate. Yes.

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, okay.

[Billie Eilish]

Caramel drizzle. Cotton candy bits.

[Angela Kinsey]

Caramel. Wait, no.

[Billie Eilish]

Caramel dip. Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

What the hell?

[Jack Metzger]

Wait, there is a. Is there not a drizzle in.

[Jenna Fischer]

There is a drizzle. There's a drizzle.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm hearing the drizzle. I'm hearing the drizzle.

[Jenna Fischer]

You definitely have named four.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

You have to name one more to get the point.

[Jack Metzger]

Sprinkles. No.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sprinkles.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Sprinkles is one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, so you got five.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you want to hear it? We have the audio.

[Billie Eilish]

No, no, no. Okay, wait.

[Angela Kinsey]

Are you trying to get more. I think five is respectable.

[Billie Eilish]

Angela, I need silence. Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Is there cinnamon sugar?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay. Cinnamon sugar.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's my favorite.

[Billie Eilish]

Cinnamon sugar is really good on a pretzel.

[Jack Metzger]

Billie, are you attempting to go for all?

[Billie Eilish]

How many are there?

[Jenna Fischer]

There's 18.

[Billie Eilish]

Are there nuts?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Nuts is one.

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, nuts. There's no powdered sugar, is there?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, there is.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's the last one.

[Billie Eilish]

I think that is the Last one. And powdered sugar, remember?

[Jack Metzger]

Yeah. Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is okay. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

[Billie Eilish]

That's pretty good.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna play the audio clip. Here it is, everybody.

[Jack Metzger]

Hi. Please tell me you have a sweet pretzel left. We do. Thank God.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we have 18 different toppings.

[Jack Metzger]

We have sweet glaze, cinnamon sugar, chocolate, white chocolate fudge, M&Ms. Caramel dip, mint chip, chocolate chip, marshmallows, nuts, toffee nuts, coconut, peanut butter drizzle, Oreo sprinkles, cotton candy bits, and powdered sugar. Is there any way that you could do all. All of them? That works? You got it. All right. Thank you.

[Billie Eilish]

Peanut butter drizzle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Peanut butter drizzle.

[Billie Eilish]

It works. You got it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. Do you want me to continue with this quiz? Okay. Question number two. Can you name all of the candy bars that Michael references in his business school lecture?

[Jack Metzger]

Payday.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jack Metzger]

100 grand.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jack Metzger]

Snickers.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm gonna let him do this one.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's one more.

[Jack Metzger]

You know it, Billy, right? You must know it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, there's one more.

[Jack Metzger]

Who's a whatsit? No, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're so close.

[Billie Eilish]

A thingamajig. A thing.

[Jack Metzger]

Whatchamac.

[Billie Eilish]

Whatsit.

[Jack Metzger]

Whatchamacallit.

[Jenna Fischer]

Watch.

[Billie Eilish]

A palette.

[Jenna Fischer]

You got it. You got it. Okay. When Creed is the interim manager, he calls a meeting where he splits the office into two groups for team building.

[Billie Eilish]

Elroy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Which Dunder Mifflin employee is somehow listed in both groups? And which person named does not actually work there?

[Billie Eilish]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Elroy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Elroy does not work there.

[Billie Eilish]

Doesn't exist.

[Jenna Fischer]

But there's one person who's listed in

[Billie Eilish]

both groups, so he names Phyllis.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's it. That's it.

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, oh.

[Billie Eilish]

Hurry up, Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Elroy.

[Billie Eilish]

Because he says Elroy. So that's the answer.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not know that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, do you want more?

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, so funny.

[Billie Eilish]

I want everything. And then we can do a speed round of the normal game and get every single question and then feel a little better about ourselves.

[Jenna Fischer]

I like that. When Pam and Andy are stuck working together, they visit an office park to attempt some in person business acquisition. I don't know how you would know this, but what company conducts business in suite 202?

[Angela Kinsey]

My God.

[Billie Eilish]

Dean Trophies. Sweet 202. Oh, wait. Dean.

[Jack Metzger]

Sherman blinds and rocks.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes. Sherman blinds and rocks. Sherman blinds and rocks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sweet 202.

[Jack Metzger]

We wouldn't have got it if we didn't sing it. That was so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was great.

[Billie Eilish]

And then there's like a dean trophies. Sweet 100 doodly doo or something like that. Doodly doo.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sounds like Andy.

[Billie Eilish]

And then. And Sweet 401. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Besides the United States, where Dwight would originally steal the Tiffany chandelier, what are the four other countries involved in this heist?

[Billie Eilish]

Okay, Canada is the. Canada. Mexico.

[Jenna Fischer]

France.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes, France.

[Angela Kinsey]

You only need one more.

[Billie Eilish]

Is it somewhere random?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, it's somewhere that might be part of Dwight's family of origin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's a huge hit.

[Billie Eilish]

Germany. Yes.

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, wow.

[Billie Eilish]

Jana gave me that one.

[Jack Metzger]

Yeah. What is my perfect crime? I break into Tiffany's in midnight. Do I go for the vault? No. I go for the chandelier.

[Billie Eilish]

It's priceless.

[Jack Metzger]

As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop.

[Billie Eilish]

It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. We make love all night.

[Jack Metzger]

In the morning, the cops come and I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada.

[Billie Eilish]

I don't trust her.

[Jack Metzger]

Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard.

[Billie Eilish]

I have a son, and he's the chief of police.

[Jack Metzger]

This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stash the chandelier.

[Billie Eilish]

Chandelier.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's why these are, like, final questions. Because he says Paris and Berlin. He doesn't say France and Germany, but he says Mexico and Canada.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, but they ask for countries. See, they're tricky.

[Billie Eilish]

They are tricky. To give us some credit, Jack. These are questions in the final round of the final. What did you call it?

[Angela Kinsey]

National.

[Billie Eilish]

National Office Trivia Championship. Come on, we're doing good for that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Over 700 teams have competed to get to this moment.

[Billie Eilish]

I mean, you guys are doing amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have a question for you guys.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is not trivia. This is just a fun one. This is what we would call our office question of the week. This is from Lena C. In Germany, who says, which invention of Michael Scott do you think could actually be successful in real life? If you had to pick one, would you pick Shoe. La La Chair. Pants. Toilet. Buddy. Mike's Cereal Shack. Or Threat Level Midnight, the movie.

[Billie Eilish]

I really like Mike's Cereal Shack. That's very intriguing to me also. It's a really cute name.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Jack Metzger]

The Pants Chair. Honestly, I remember watching it being like, this is like, 1% a good idea.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah. If there Was a way to make the chair pants, like, not uncomfortable to walk around in where it was like totally normal pants slowly. But then if you sat down, it became a chair.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, as a parent who is often going to like kids sporting events isn't a chair. If I could just wear my chair pants.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really, you guys. I am surprised no one has chosen toilet Buddy. You don't want. I was going to the bathroom through a strainer.

[Billie Eilish]

I think there's just.

[Jenna Fischer]

So your stuff doesn't fall in. That is one of my favorite Michael moments. It was deleted. It was added back to the super fan episode.

[Billie Eilish]

You can see it in all its glory.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is there anything else, Jack, that we

[Billie Eilish]

need do in terms of trivia?

[Angela Kinsey]

Do you want three rapid fire. Rapid fire. Let's go easy.

[Jack Metzger]

That's the most fun thing ever. So yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Okay. This is going to be rapid fire. Ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

On the wall of Mr. Chu's Chinese restaurant, who was in a photo holding up a sign that said thief breed? Yep. Who did DWight think takes 50 minutes

[Billie Eilish]

to style his hair?

[Angela Kinsey]

Cute. Sorry. I couldn't even read the question. All right, one more. Who was only a little Stitches.

[Billie Eilish]

Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael.

[Billie Eilish]

Yay. Can't get enough.

[Angela Kinsey]

We clearly could do this all damn day because it's so fun.

[Billie Eilish]

Jack, love you so much. Thank you for getting on. I literally love to meet you guys.

[Jack Metzger]

Thanks so much for having me.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is really fun. You're amazing at trivia. You guys should enter a competition.

[Billie Eilish]

By the way, he also has a whole song about the office and how his life and relationships have just completely been told through the story of the office throughout his life. And it's out and you can listen to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

What's the name of the song? What is the name of the song?

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, Netflix trip.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know it. Netflix trip. I know that song.

[Billie Eilish]

I think you guys have actually talked about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

We've talked about it. We played it on the podcast.

[Jack Metzger]

Oh, did you realize?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think I played it. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's you.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's you.

[Jack Metzger]

That's me and my brothers. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. Yes. It's so wonderful. I like. I want to play some of it.

[Jack Metzger]

I had my first crush in season two. She passed me notes and fill our hands with glue and in my cor

[Billie Eilish]

we'd walk to school

[Jack Metzger]

I sat and crossed my legs like Jim would do a she moved away I was on season three. It hit my heart so hard I'd hardly speak But I could find some peace and privacy A paper company to

[Billie Eilish]

steal with me so sweet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you guys so much.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much. And that's awesome. You guys have both written songs.

[Billie Eilish]

It's true with the Office.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's true in the Office themes.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's kind of.

[Billie Eilish]

We wouldn't be who we are without the show.

[Jenna Fischer]

Kind of pretty cool.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, we wouldn't be friends without the Office. It bonded us.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, listen, we always are humbled by the fact that our show brings people together. And I know you feel that way about your music, both of you. And thank you so much for taking the time to come here today.

[Jenna Fischer]

We love you guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

We love you. We want you to come back anytime you want. For real.

[Billie Eilish]

No, seriously, you have to stop saying that. Cause you don't want me to come back so many times. Because I'm gonna. Literally.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know what you should do? You tell us an episode that you want to break down with us, and we'll break down an episode with you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pick a super fan.

[Billie Eilish]

We're not done. Liter. Literally done. Let's do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

There we go.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right.

[Billie Eilish]

Thank you for coming.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I still can't believe it happened. I still can't get over the fact that she is such a big Office Ladies fan.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's also just a wonderful human being and such a fun person to be around and just gives her all to you.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. I just. I really like her as a person.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, she is so accomplished and so talented, but she's also just a fantastic human being.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And super smart. Oh, and I really loved her dog, Shark. He tried to eat the granola bar in my bag. But next time, I'll bring treats. Okay, Billy, when you come back, we're gonna have treats for Shark.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also wanna give a big thank you to Will Allen for helping me prepare our Office trivia quiz. And I want to give a shout out because Will is currently starring as Dr. Thomas Stockman in Amy Herzog's adaptation of An Enemy of the People at the stunning new Timeline Theater in Chicago. You can get [e-mail] I saw this in New York. It's a great show.

[Angela Kinsey]

And also, we would love to thank Jack Metzger for calling in to do trivia with Billy. And that was so cool to find out that he wrote the song Netflix trip about his love of the office.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. I couldn't believe that. I'm like, I know that song.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're like, it's you. And oh, my goodness. Thank you so much to Billie Eilish for being an Office Ladies listener and fan.

[Jenna Fischer]

I hope you like this episode. Billy, Hi.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hi, Billy.

[Jenna Fischer]

How are you doing?

[Angela Kinsey]

Are you listening to us right now? Are you in your house maybe hanging some pictures?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Are you cleaning up something? Maybe folding laundry?

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe you're just in the car cruising around.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. All right, thanks, everyone. We will be back next week with a very special guest from the Office cast. We're going to be chatting with Calvin Tenner, who played Glenn from the Warehouse.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, see you then.

[Jenna Fischer]

See you then. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our senior producer is Matt Beagle and our audio engineer is Sam Kieffer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese. Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

[Jack Metzger]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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