Movie Breakdown: The Edge, Pt 1

Summary

Podcast Summary: Office Ladies – Movie Breakdown: The Edge, Pt 1

Release Date: February 12, 2025

Introduction

In the latest episode of Office Ladies, hosts Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey, beloved co-stars from The Office, delve into an in-depth breakdown of the thriller film The Edge. This episode, titled "Movie Breakdown: The Edge, Pt 1," offers fans an extensive exploration of the movie's production, plot intricacies, character dynamics, and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. Skipping over commercial interruptions, Jenna and Angela provide a rich and engaging analysis suitable for both die-hard fans and newcomers alike.

Choosing the Movie: The Edge

The episode kicks off with Jenna and Angela discussing how the decision to analyze The Edge was influenced by numerous listener suggestions. Angela humorously mentions, "[00:12] Jenna Fischer: Please." leading into the appreciation for listener Emma Grace from Texas, who recommended the film. They express mutual admiration for the movie’s inspirational qualities, stating, "[02:23] Angela Kinsey: Emma Grace from Texas, will you please add the Edge to your movie list to break down on the podcast? I watched it because of Jenna. It's one of my all time favorites."

Fast Facts and Movie Overview

Jenna introduces the segment with a deep dive into the movie's foundational details:

• Runtime & Release: The Edge runs for 1 hour and 57 minutes and was released on September 26, 1997.
• Budget & Box Office: Produced with a $30 million budget, it grossed approximately $43.3 million worldwide.
• Key Cast:
  • Anthony Hopkins as billionaire Charles Morse.
  • Alec Baldwin as photographer Bob Green.
  • Harold Perrineau as Bob's photography assistant, Steven.
  • Elle Macpherson as Mickey Morse, Charles’s supermodel wife.

Jenna elaborates on Lee Tamahori’s directorial prowess, noting his successful works like Once Were Warriors and Mulholland Falls. They highlight notable casting choices, such as Alec Baldwin originally offered the role of Bob Green to Harrison Ford and Dustin Hoffman, to which Angela exclaims, "[05:22] Angela Kinsey: No. Dustin Hoffman as Bob."

Critical Reception

The hosts examine contemporary reviews from the movie's release year:

1. James Berardinelli (RealViews):

   • Rating: 2 out of 4 stars.
   • Summary: Berardinelli acknowledges the film's engaging elements like breathtaking cinematography and Jerry Goldsmith's majestic score but criticizes it as an overall "bad movie." He praises Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin's performances: "[08:22] Angela Kinsey: But just like creamy icing can't save a half baked cake, these positive elements can't hide the fact that the Edge is a bad movie."

2. Roger Ebert:

   • Rating: 3 out of 4 stars.
   • Summary: Ebert appreciates the subtleties in the film's humor and its respectful handling of genre clichés. He commends the dialogue and the climactic non-violent resolution: "[10:04] Angela Kinsey: Roger wrote a very long review... It is typical of Mamet that he could devise his plot in such a way that the climactic payoff would not be bloodshed, but the simple exchange of a wristwatch."

The episode also references the movie's Rotten Tomatoes scores—62% on the Tomatometer and 70% on the popcorn meter, indicating polarized audience reactions.

Analyzing the Movie Trailer

Jenna and Angela enjoy dissecting the original trailer, particularly its classic 90s voiceover style. They highlight memorable lines and the blend of suspense with character introductions: "[12:10] Angela Kinsey: To a good companion, a good friend."

Behind the Scenes: Filming Locations and Production

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the movie's filming locations. Shot in Alberta, Canada, between August and November 1996, the production utilized scenic spots like Banff National Park and Fortress Mountain Resort. Angela shares insights from a director’s audio clip, emphasizing the authentic ruggedness required for the wilderness setting: "[06:01] C: We really needed to take this film somewhere that people haven't really been before."

They also explore practical aspects of shooting in harsh climates, such as dealing with freezing temperatures and natural water bodies without artificial heating, which added to the film's authenticity.

Special Effects and Stunt Work

Jenna and Angela delve into the intricate special effects used for the plane crash scene. Before the prevalence of CGI, the production team employed a giant zip line mechanism to simulate the plane plummeting into the lake. Jenna explains, "[42:06] Jenna Fischer: They basically built a giant zip line from the top of the mountain over the lake down to the other side of the shore."

A behind-the-scenes snippet reveals the meticulous safety procedures and multiple takes required to achieve the desired dramatic effect without compromising safety: "[43:33] D: Once it's secured to the rig, the crew clears the area in preparation for the big moment."

Plot and Character Breakdown

The hosts provide a detailed walkthrough of the movie’s plot, highlighting key moments and character interactions:

1. Character Dynamics:

   • Bob Green (Alec Baldwin): Portrayed as a shiny yet inconsiderate character whose actions often hinder survival efforts. Angela quips, "[25:01] Jenna Fischer: Yeah. Bob's a douchebag."
   • Charles Morse (Anthony Hopkins): Seen as thoughtful and resourceful, embodying wisdom that reflects personal growth and resilience. Jenna shares her personal connection: "[61:05] Jenna Fischer: ...I thought, I'm going to walk out of here. I am walking out of here."

2. Key Scenes:

   • Birthday Surprise: Bob's poorly executed surprise birthday prank on Charles, involving a fake bear attack, sets a dark and tense tone.
   • Survival Challenges: The trio faces life-threatening situations, including a bear attack, symbolizing the struggle between man and nature.

3. Wisdom Moments:

   • First Wisdom Moment ([49:11] C: I once read an interesting book. It said that most people lost in the wilds, they die of shame...): Emphasizes overcoming self-pity and taking proactive steps to survive.
   • Second Wisdom Moment ([61:16] C: See this? Gonna make a spear.): Highlights resourcefulness and practical survival skills.

4. Bear Attack Sequence:

   • The portrayal of the bear, played by the renowned Bart the Bear, adds intense realism. Angela notes, "[55:08] All right. The bear in the movie was played by the very famous Bart the Bear...".

Personal Stories and Emotional Impact

Jenna shares a heartfelt personal story about how The Edge provided her strength during her battle with breast cancer. She recounts a pivotal moment in the film where Charles assures survival, which mirrored her own resolve: "[61:05] Jenna Fischer: ...I thought, I'm going to walk out of here. I am walking out of here."

Angela reflects on their shared experiences and the emotional resonance of the film, strengthening their bond and enhancing the episode's depth.

Behind the Scenes: Bart the Bear

A dedicated segment discusses Bart the Bear's role, detailing his training and contributions to the film's authenticity. They highlight Bart's impressive size and trained demeanor, ensuring safety during intense scenes: "[55:08] Jenna Fischer: All right. The bear in the movie was played by the very famous Bart the Bear."

Angela shares touching anecdotes about Bart's collaboration with Anthony Hopkins, emphasizing mutual respect and professionalism: "[56:05] C: ...he was treated with great love and affection and respect."

Conclusion and Teasers for Part 2

As the episode winds down, Jenna and Angela recap the key points discussed and tease the continuation of their breakdown in Part 2. They express anticipation for further plot developments and survival strategies depicted in the movie: "[71:17] Angela Kinsey: I got a hint for you. It's not gonna go great."

Notable Quotes:

• Angela Kinsey ([05:22]): "Dustin Hoffman as Bob."
• James Berardinelli ([08:22]): "...handy anti lawyer line of the year... just like creamy icing can't save a half baked cake..."
• Roger Ebert ([10:04]): "...the Edge is subtly funny in the way it toys with the cliches of the genre..."
• Angela Kinsey ([49:44]): "Wisdom moment. Don't be a victim. Be active. Be a doer."
• Jenna Fischer ([61:16]): "I am walking out of here."

Final Thoughts

Office Ladies delivers a comprehensive and engaging breakdown of The Edge, blending movie analysis with personal anecdotes and behind-the-scenes insights. Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey adeptly balance factual information with heartfelt storytelling, making this episode a must-listen for fans seeking a deeper understanding of the film and the hosts' perspectives. As they prepare to continue their analysis in the next episode, listeners are left eager for more revelations and discussions on survival, resilience, and the intricate dynamics between characters.

Transcript

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate office lovers podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week we will dive deeper into the world of the Office with exclusive interviews, behind the scenes details, and lots of BFF stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office Lady 6.0.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hi. Happy Wednesday. Hi. Jenna is giddy. She is giddy. She's like. You're actually like blushing like, cause you're so like. I feel like you have a body buzz right now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, everyone, this Friday is Valentine's Day. And Angela, you have given me the greatest Galentine's Day gift of our friendship.

[Angela Kinsey]

I guess I have. I was thinking of like all the gifts we've exchanged over the years. This might be your favorite.

[Jenna Fischer]

It might be.

[Angela Kinsey]

Should we tell them what it is?

[Jenna Fischer]

Please.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Well, you guys, we went into the Dear Office ladies mailbag, and a lot of you wrote in saying that I should watch the Edge.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you. Thank you for writing that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Emma Grace from Texas, will you please add the Edge to your movie list to break down on the podcast? I watched it because of Jenna. It's one of my all time favorites. She's right. It is so inspirational.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is, Emma.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is we got several letters like this lady. And you know what? You did watch the Star Wars Christmas special for me.

[Jenna Fischer]

I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did. You technically watched a Star wars movie? Ish. Well. So for this Valentine's, my gift to you is I said, let's break down the Edge, lady. Let's do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

This was the most amazing work week for me, Angela. I got to watch my favorite movie for work.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know you kept texting me this is my work day. And it would just be a screenshot of like a bear in the woods.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I got so excited, I said we should even bring back Fast Facts. So I say let's get to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. The Edge, written by David Mamet, Pulitzer Prize and Tony winning playwright. He's also a director and screenwriter. He is a master of dialogue and the dialogue in this movie is fantastic. This film is directed by Lee Tamahori from New Zealand. His directorial debut was Once Were warriors which was a huge critical success. It won many, many awards and was the highest grossing film in New Zealand of all time.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he also directed huge hits like Mulholland Falls, Boys on the side.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Let's jump into fast fact number one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

The Edge is one hour and 57 wonderful minutes. It was released September 26, 1997. It had a budget of $30 million and it made 43.3 million at the worldwide box office. Here is your cast. Anthony Hopkins plays billionaire Charles Morse. Alec Baldwin is handsome photographer Bob Green. Harold Perrineau is Bob's photography assistant. Steven, you might know him from Lost.

[Angela Kinsey]

He played Michael Dawson in Lost. He's so good in it.

[Jenna Fischer]

So good.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's also in two Matrix movies. You guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, so you liked this?

[Angela Kinsey]

Uh huh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. This is great. This is good. And then finally rounding out the cast is Elle macpherson as billionaire Charles Morris wife, supermodel Mickey Morse. And you know, Elle macpherson is a real life supermodel.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's a fact for ya. The original title of this movie was Bookworm. But about three months before the movie was set to come out, the studio decided that it needed a more commercial title. Something that really spoke to the suspense of the film.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think I agree with them.

[Jenna Fischer]

I agree. The role of Bob Green, played by Alec Baldwin was originally offered to Harrison Ford and Dustin Hoffman. What could you imagine?

[Angela Kinsey]

No. Dustin Hoffman as Bob.

[Jenna Fischer]

As Bob.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I. No, I can't.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also read that Robert De Niro showed some interest in the role of billionaire Charles Morse, but that it went to Anthony Hopkins. I literally can't imagine anyone else in these roles.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah. It's hard to picture it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, fast fact number two. This film was shot in Alberta, Canada. It was shot between August and November 1996 in Banff National Park, Canmore, Edmonton, Thunderstone Quarries, and Fortress Mountain Resort. And here is an audio clip of director Lee Tamahori talking about the location.

[C]

We really needed to take this film somewhere that people haven't really been before.

[Angela Kinsey]

So it needed to look very, very rugged. You can't really fake that.

[C]

You've got to take the actors and.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everybody into this environment. Give me your best fair confrontation.

[C]

They're lost right in the heart of the wilderness, and you've got to know how to survive.

[D]

What I like about all of David.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mamet's work is that it's extremely primal. It's one guy pitted in next to against another guy. Two guys pitted against the wilderness. When you take actors the likes of Tony, who's never been exposed to this type of harrowing location, it braces them up more.

[Jenna Fischer]

So, lady, they were really out there, the actors, the crew, in the wilderness. I want to paint a little picture for you. The temperatures in Banff national park in August are a high of 62 and a low of 33. But when we get to November, the high is 24 degrees and the low is 3.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, that's not a lot. Josh went on a hiking trip with his college buddies there and absolutely loved it. But it is rugged terrain.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. These fellas spend a lot of time in water. I checked the seawater temperatures in August. They're around 54 to 61 degrees. For reference, I keep my cold dip tank around 60 degrees. I sit in it for one minute, and I go pretty numb in about 30 seconds. In November, the water gets as low as, like, 50 degrees. And they really got in it. Yeah, like that wasn't like a soundstage or something. They look cold and they don't warm the water. Obviously. It's seawater. It's water. It's natural water.

[Angela Kinsey]

You can't warm a park lake.

[Jenna Fischer]

Correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, they're in it.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're in it. All right. Well, I've told you the characters. I've told you the location. Angela, Fast Fact 3, over to you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I took Fast Fact 3, and I'm gonna give you two movie reviews and one of the original movie trailers. So people either really love this movie or they're like, eh, meh about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I know this.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know this.

[Jenna Fischer]

No one hates it, though there might.

[Angela Kinsey]

Be one or Two?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't think so.

[Angela Kinsey]

I only chose reviews that came out in 1997.

[Jenna Fischer]

Great.

[Angela Kinsey]

When the movie came out. This is from RealViews. Real is spelled R E E L. Their movie reviewer, James Berardinelli gave it two stars and said the following. Frankly, even though the Edge is almost always dumb, it's also often fun. And to give the film its due, it's never boring. On the rare occasion when the plot goes for character development, the performances of Hopkins and Baldwin carry it through. The cinematography is frequently breathtaking, and Jerry Goldsmith's score has enough majesty to highlight the impressive vistas. This film includes several memorable moments. And also, the Edge can boast what is, hands down, the best anti lawyer line of the year. I'm going to bring it up when we get to it. However, just like creamy icing can't save a half baked cake, these positive elements can't hide the fact that the Edge is a bad movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

Um, that's a two star review from James.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

What does he need the filmmakers to do? Come and literally suck. How do I get two more stars? Majesty, cinematography, amazing performances, wonderful dialogue. What else do you need while you're watching this movie, James? A literal blow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

What do you need, Jenna? Don't come for my movie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. This is like maybe the most hostile I've ever heard you on the podcast. All right, the next review. I'm only giving you two from 1997. The next one is from Roger Ebert, who gave it three out of four stars.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, Roger Ebert, established movie critic.

[Angela Kinsey]

You don't know James.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know James.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, this is one.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know enough about James that I. It's all I need to know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Roger wrote a very long review. I can put a link to it, but here are the highlights he says about the Edge. It's subtly funny in the way it toys with the cliches of the genre. Too subtle, apparently, for some, like James. The movie contains glorious scenery, quixotic mammoth conversations, and of course, the obligatory action scenes. Even in generating tension, the movie toys with convention. There are a few bear wrestling matches and a big showdown with the beast, but the movie doesn't lose its mind and go berserk with action in the last half hour, as most action films seem to. It is typical of Mamet that he could devise his plot in such a way that the climactic payoff would not be bloodshed, but the simple exchange of a wristwatch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you, Roger Ebert. Thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

It also got 62% on rotten tomatoes. Tomatometer and 70% on the popcorn meter, which is the fan ranking.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe I shouldn't have read the reviews.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's nothing you can say about my movie.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm not saying it.

[Jenna Fischer]

That I will ever, ever stray from my love for it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I am reading other people's words. All right. And I also thought we should hear one of the original movie trailers for the Edge. It's that classic trailer. Remember how in the 90s they all had the same voiceover actor who would like things? Like in a world like that? I loved it so much. It has a fantastic ending line. Let's hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're the salt of the earth. You're the most excellent man. That's why I married you.

[C]

And you're the only woman I've ever wanted.

[Angela Kinsey]

See the lucky guy you are. A billionaire who has everything he wants.

[E]

To a good companion, a good friend.

[C]

And a good sport.

[Angela Kinsey]

Got it.

[E]

Okay, great.

[Angela Kinsey]

A photographer who wants everything he has. Nice looking lady. You're what?

[C]

Yes. Why you ask?

[Jenna Fischer]

Just like to know who everybody is.

[C]

Must be tough.

[E]

Oh, all that money, never knowing what people value you for.

[C]

What do you value me for, Bob?

[E]

I think your wife's pretty cute.

[C]

So how are you planning to kill me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now?

[D]

Two rivals lost in the wilderness.

[Jenna Fischer]

Are.

[Angela Kinsey]

Forced to confront nature.

[E]

What are we gonna do?

[C]

Am I supposed to have a plan? But they're about to discover.

[Jenna Fischer]

You got it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nature isn't as dangerous as the nature of man. Academy Award winner Anthony Hopkins.

[C]

You want to die out here? I'm not gonna die.

[Angela Kinsey]

Alec Baldwin.

[C]

Moneyed folk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sit up there, drink some golf. You make me sick. Where civilization ends, survival begins. Come and get me. The Ed. I mean, isn't that a great trailer?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, because it's from a great movie. You really. You know, they had good film to work with when they made that trailer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let James go. Let him go.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know what? All right, I'll let him go.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let him go. Because where civilization ends, survival begins.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm so excited. Angela, I loved your fast fact. I love everything about the Edge. Why don't we take a break and then we can start breaking down the edge. And thanks to Macy's, we only have to take one break this episode. Thank you, Macy's.

[Angela Kinsey]

This segment is brought to you by Macy's.

[Jenna Fischer]

This Valentine's Day. Let Macy's be your guide to gifting.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, we've been talking about how the folks at Dunder Mifflin would spend Valentine's Day. And we have some more for you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, and, Cassie, you helped us with these. They are so funny. You pitched that Darryl would want the night to be super romantic so he would probably take his date to a piano bar and like get on stage and serenade her. I think you are so right. And then you also said in the end they might end up feeding their leftovers to some squirrels on the way home, which I loved.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like to imagine that their leftovers are just like types of mixed nuts, trail mix.

[Jenna Fischer]

What are they eating? Well, I guess if they were at a piano bar, maybe.

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe some peanuts. Well, you know, we were wondering, what would Meredith do? And Cassie said she thinks she would go to a rock concert and then probably end up getting kicked out and then just hook up with her date in her minivan. I think that tracks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. She finds her date on Valentine's Day.

[Angela Kinsey]

At the rock concert.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Stanley would definitely keep things low key. I think he's doing a couple's massage. Or maybe he has to go from one couple's massage to another couple's massage. He's in two different couples. Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stanley is spending a lot of money on Valentine's Day.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure is. And I think we all know that he's gonna end his Valentine's Day in a bubble bath with a glass of red wine. He comments on that frequently.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, well, you know, he could pick up some nice bath accessories from Macy's. He could have a whole spa night.

[Jenna Fischer]

I gave my sister some really nice bath towels from Macy's for Christmas. They're really nice.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh yeah, they have a great home section. I got Josh a whole set of Tupperware from Macy's. Oh, not so much bathing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, well, you know who could use that? Kevin for his leftover chili.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. I was thinking about Dwight and Valentine's Day and here's my thoughts. Whatever you do for Valentine's Day, don't be a Dwight. Do not get your partner a feral barn cat named garbage instead. Go to Macy's.

[Jenna Fischer]

Macy's is your one stop shop for Valentine's Day. So as you gear up for the big day of love, if you start to feel yourself thinking like Dwight, do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not just stop it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Don't do that. Go to Macy's. You know that we are huge supporters of Macy's all year long because they make shopping so simple for every occasion. They have amazing gift guides with hand picked gifts for everyone on your list.

[Angela Kinsey]

This Valentine's Day let Macy's be your guide to gifting.

[Jenna Fischer]

Shop in store or online at macy's.com giftguide we are back. Are you Ready?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm ready.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here we go. We open on a small airplane.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lady. What? I have to share something with you. What? I know everyone talks about the bear in this movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

But I need to point something out right away. It's in the opening credits.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

It is something that continues throughout the movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it literally chilled me to the bone.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

It was so unsettling. The very beginning of the movie, before you see anything on the screen, the screen is just gray. And you hear wind, but it's that wind that's, like, cold out in the wilderness kind of wind.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

For, like, two minutes, it's just wind. Wind is throughout the whole movie. I would like to say that one of the other big characters in this movie is the wind.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I like that. The atmosphere.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. It creeped me out just in the very beginning.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my goodness.

[Angela Kinsey]

So you hear all the wind. Right. And then finally, out of the gray, you see a small plane. It's kind of a fancy, like, private plane. And it lands and everyone exits. Off the plane.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. People get off the plane, and they're about to get on another plane.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mickey has a lot of Louis Vuitton luggage. I just wanted to point that out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, does she? Well, yes. And this is when we're going to learn who everyone is. We're going to learn that Charles is a billionaire. We're also going to learn that he is used to people like coveting his wife. There's a mechanic who's like, I would love to get my hands on her. And he's like, on who? And he's like, the plane.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a $20 million plane called the Challenger.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But of course, he thought the guy was talking about his supermodel wife.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

It probably happens to him all the time.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. And he was kind of looking in her direction.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah. So they're going from their private plane to this little private water plane, and we're gonna get a lot of foreshadowing here. We're gonna hear the pilot say, hey, everything's fine. He says, just don't fly under any low ceilings. You don't want a bird strike. You don't want migrating birds to run into your plane.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Cause they could take the plane down.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

We also learned, like, Charles has an assistant, you know, who gives him, like, a manila envelope. He also says he checked out the plane and that it's safe. And then he says, when do you think you'll require your big, fancy plane back? And Bob, who's played by Alec Baldwin, says, I want the film in New York. 36 hours. I'd say 8 o'clock tomorrow night. Lady, I'm confused. What, did they go all this way for just one night?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think so.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's crazy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. They're there because Bob is doing a photo shoot with Mickey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I guess they let Charles tag along. He's taken a day off to join her. She's so excited.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. Okay. Well, before we get to the scene in the prop plane, I thought, well, lady, I tried to be Dr. Thibodeau.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

And track some stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

What'd you track?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Here are my Dr. Thibodeau stats and Dr. Thibodeau. I apologize. They are not as thorough as yours. But the name Charles is said 118 times in the movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

So many times. They say each other's names so many times.

[Angela Kinsey]

118 times. You're gonna hear Char. The name Bob is said 27 times.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

The word bear is said 19 times.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

The word is said 19 times.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I didn't even catch that.

[Angela Kinsey]

The word is said 13 times. Wow. And the word motherf. Er is said twice.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are your Dr. Thibodeau stats. Charles. Charles. Charles.

[Jenna Fischer]

What do you think, Charles?

[Angela Kinsey]

Charles.

[Jenna Fischer]

Charles. What are we doing next? Charles? Yeah, he does say it a lot. So now what happens is this more foreshadowing. This little prop plane takes off without incident. Charles is going to open up his envelope that he got from his assistant to see that it is a wrapped gift. It is a book called Lost in the Wilds by Dee Crowley. And I looked it up. It's not a real book. If it was a real book, I would have wanted it for sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I was very curious about this book as well, and I found a blog about it written by David Crowley, if we're saying that last name correctly. And listen to this. David writes, after the movie came out, a lot of fans went looking to pick up a copy of the book, a task which was made particularly challenging because it didn't really exist. The book was a prop made for the movie. There were three copies made for the filming, one of which was lost after the shot where it slowly sinks to the bottom of the lake. Here's the tidbit that I loved, Lady. David writes, the book's author is shown clearly on the COVID as Dee Crowley, which is, in fact my name. But in this case, it was a tip of the hat to director Lee Tamahori's assistant, Dara Crowley. Dara is my sister. And after filming was completed, my sister kindly Sent me one of the two remaining copies of the book for my birthday. Wow. I knew nothing about them at the time, so it was a fun surprise. She included a note with it joking that we had been published, which was written on stationery with the movie's working title of Bookworm. Isn't that so fun?

[Jenna Fischer]

That is so, so cool.

[Angela Kinsey]

And a little bit, like you said, foreshadowing the first chapter that Charles opens up to says traps and snares.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Well, another thing we're gonna learn here is that the reason Charles assistant gave him this book is that it is a birthday gift.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

No one else is regarding this day as his birthday. It kind of seems like everyone else forgot and only his assistant remembered Ms. Harriet Smith. Yes. But this is when the other passengers start chatting. And one of the gals on the plane who's part of this whole, like, photography shoot, she notices that Bob, played by Alec Baldwin, has a new watch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

It has dual time zones.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I looked up the watch because this is going to come back later. This watch, everybody. There's this guy who has a YouTube channel called the Timeless Watch Channel, and he did a mini series that looks at how watches play significant roles in movies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

He did a whole deep dive on why do protagonists wear their watches with the clock facing in and the strap facing out. He noted that this is true of Alec Baldwin in this movie. It is true in Die Hard and in John Wick. All of the leads of the movies, they are watches which figure significantly to the plot are always facing in. We know why.

[Angela Kinsey]

Camera angle.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Because when you're doing takes, if the watch kept moving, it would be a different time every time. So if your watch is going to play a big role in the movie, you put the band facing out so.

[Angela Kinsey]

You can pick when to show it and make sure it's the correct time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly, exactly. I will also tell you that the watch is a Seamaster chronograph watch, which goes for around $5,000. This is a nice watch, everybody.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm really curious about that because, you know, we ultimately see the receipt for the watch, and it said $2,700.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, nowadays, 5,000.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wowzers.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, we learn something really quickly. I feel like, about Bob in this scene is that everyone thinks he's hilarious. Because when he says, I don't have to go through the anguish of adding three hours, you know, because he has LA and New York on his watch, everyone laughs, like, so hard. Like, this is the funniest thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't think Bob's funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I think Bob's a douchebag.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. We would not like Bob at a party.

[Angela Kinsey]

We would not like Bob.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

The plane is now gonna fly over some snowy mountains. It lands on the water. It pulls up to a dock. This beautiful rustic lodge. This is where they're gonna shoot their amazing photograph tomorrow. Elle McPherson said in an interview that that lodge was built for the movie and then taken down afterward.

[Angela Kinsey]

No way.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's massive.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. And beautiful. She was like, I would have bought it and lived there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

If someone would have told me. She said it was amazing. It was just a set.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not real.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, did you catch the dialogue as they're walking up the steps? You know you've got the crusty old guy, Stiles, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Mickey says to him, so you built this place with your own hands? And he says, yes, ma'am. Been building it all my life.

[Jenna Fischer]

His whole life. What?

[Angela Kinsey]

We also learned that there's no locks on any of the doors, and the bedrooms and outhouses are upstairs. I'm sorry, what? Outhouses? What, they have to go to the bathroom outside?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. But later on in the evening, when it's time to go to bed, like, a generator shuts off all of the electricity, and Charles has to walk around with a lantern.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I have stayed somewhere like that. I stayed in this rustic cabin with a generator. It literally shut down at nightfall. Who had no electricity?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. Seems like you want it to go on at nightfall. I know, right? Like, I can use the sun during the day. Maybe at night, maybe we flip it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I think that would be so cool. I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't want to tell people how to run their.

[Angela Kinsey]

How to run their lodges. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, let me give you a quick summary of what's going to happen now. Bob is going to see a black and white photo of an indigenous man holding a rifle, and he's tells his assistant, Steven, this is what I want. I want this guy for tomorrow. But you can never get a guy like this because these guys don't exist anymore. Right. This authenticity in this picture.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And, of course, Stiles, the runner of the lodge, is like, I took that picture last year.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. That.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's my friend.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Krusty Stiles is what I call him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Crusty Stiles.

[Angela Kinsey]

He looks like he has, like, a big, like, kind of like maybe he got in a tussle with a bear at some point.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, he's got scars.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's Crusty Stiles.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's worn in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he knows this guy, Jack Hawk's his name. And Bob really wants to meet him. Can we just comment one second that Bob is wearing almost like a full length black leather coat?

[Jenna Fischer]

Is he?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Douche Bob. Number two, tracking Douche Bob Charles.

[Jenna Fischer]

First stop is to go over to the bookshelf. This guy loves books. Remember the movie was called Bookworm?

[Angela Kinsey]

There's books, but there's also like a whole shelf of National Geographic magazines.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. This is when Mickey says, charles knows everything. You can ask him any question. I bet you can't.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Krusty Stiles says, I'll give you $5 to tell me what's on the other side of this paddle. It's like a canoe paddle up on the wall and it has a carving in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And the side he can see is like a black jaguar, like black panther looking animal, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep. And Charles says, it's a rabbit smoking a pipe.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Krusty Stiles flips over the paddle and it is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Yes, it is a traditional motif of the Cree Indian tribe. The rabbit is the prey, but is unafraid of the panther because he's smarter than the panther.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. So, you know, everyone's very impressed except for Bob. And another thing I track throughout this movie is something I call Bob Snark.

[Jenna Fischer]

Lot of snark from Bob.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lot of snark from Bob. He looks at him with kind of like that, like, stink eye and goes, amazing accomplishment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's not impressed.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now it's time to go to bed. And Stiles says, listen, go to bed. But I gotta tell you, it's like, time for bears Beware of the bears, lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

He literally says, we got a problem with bears around here. And just so you guys know, that's where I'm out. I'm out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Where are you?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm packing up my and I'm leaving. If you tell me we got a problem with bears around here, that's it. Enjoy your weekend. I'm gone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Stiles says, don't leave food out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Never leave food out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not even inside.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then he says, you know, if a bear does come upon you, stand still and then back away slowly, he.

[Angela Kinsey]

Says, let the bear know you see him. Yeah, what am I making eye contact with the bear? I'm out, Crusty Stiles. I'm out. Mickey says, well, on that note, I'm going to bed. And then she has a little flirty moment with Bob. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bob whispers something in her ear and she, like, bats him away.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. She, like, shoves him and is like, shut up. But Charles sees it all.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah. Well, now Mickey and Charles are up in their bedroom, right? And Charles is like, hey, do you know why my secretary gave me this book? We're going to bed now. And he's basically saying, like, this is my birthday. Are you gonna remember my birthday?

[Angela Kinsey]

He says, you know, this is a very special day for me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And she says, can you make me a sandwich?

[Jenna Fischer]

Right?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

So Charles goes downstairs in the dark with his lantern. He goes in the kitchen. This kitchen is so freaking cool. He notices someone left some ham out.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's, like, a whole honey baked ham. And the door is open, and you hear that wind.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm like, oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was on the edge of my seat.

[Jenna Fischer]

The edge.

[Angela Kinsey]

The edge.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

You were? Yeah, I was.

[Jenna Fischer]

And guess what? He makes his sandwich really quick. It looks good too. Every time I see him make the sandwich, he does it with such care, you know? He really did put love in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he loves her.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And he's walking out of the kitchen with this little sandwich on this plate. Didn't clean up his stuff. That's okay. Left the mayo out.

[Angela Kinsey]

He put the ham away. Didn't put the ham away. Didn't put any of the food away. No Krusty Styles rule number one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But he walks out of the kitchen, and there is a giant bear.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I screamed out loud. Yeah, I screamed. I don't know. Did anyone else scream at this moment? Sam, Cassie, my cat, was laying on my lap.

[Jenna Fischer]

And at this moment, when the bear screamed, she leapt a foot into the air and ran out of the room and has never done that before.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm so sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so, like, primal. She's like, predator. I'm out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

I screamed out loud. Holy crap.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, guess what? It's a prank surprise. Not a real bear.

[Angela Kinsey]

Happy birthday.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bob was dressed in, like, a bear skin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, he took the rug off the ground and wrapped it around him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what I call bull?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a surprise birthday. He could have had a heart attack.

[Jenna Fischer]

He looks like he's gonna have a heart attack.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And behind Bob is everybody. They've got a cake. They're like, surprise. Happy birthday.

[Angela Kinsey]

A cake, by the way, that no one eats. Did you notice that? Of course no one eats the cake.

[Jenna Fischer]

No one eats the cake. This birthday lasts maybe four minutes, and then they give him two presents, and then they're like, good night. Good night.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't eat the cake. Leave it out. Leave out the honey baked ham and the mayo. What the hell?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Earlier you said you would go home. On my notes for this movie, I wrote, this is when I would leave. It's a terrible prank to pray on somebody. Terrible. So awful.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And I also wrote, who are these people to Charles? I mean, he's spending his birthday with these people that clearly, other than his wife, they don't give a about him.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. He is going to get two gifts. He is going to get a watch. He is going to get a Hamilton pocket watch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. An engraved gold pocket watch from his wife.

[Jenna Fischer]

I found them on ebay. They cost anywhere from 500 to $2,000. Remember how much Bob's watch was?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so it's engraved and it says, to my beloved husband on his birthday, from the luckiest woman in the world. I have an observation about Mickey.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

She has a lot of grandiose statements. Yeah, you're perfect. I'm the luckiest. We're the most wonderful.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Anyway, Bob gives Charles a pocket knife, and then Stiles says, well, you better give him a coin. And I was curious about this.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's like an old superstition.

[Jenna Fischer]

Have you never done this?

[Angela Kinsey]

No. What? No one's given me a knife before. I guess when I got married, I got a set of knives, but I didn't send a bunch of pennies to people.

[Jenna Fischer]

When I got married, I got a set of knives and the person taped a penny on the box of knives.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I guess I was supposed to take the penny and then, like, send it back to them. I don't think I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I also don't know who gave them to me, and I might not talk to them anymore.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well, maybe then you should have done it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Tell us about it. Ang. I know this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. The tradition of giving a knife as a gift is accompanied by an old but intriguing superstition. That knife could symbolically cut the ties between the giver and the receiver, potentially ending love or severing the bond. To counteract this, a long standing custom involves including a coin with the gift. Historically, even a simple penny suffices. The recipient then returns the penny to the giver.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Symbolically buying the knife, which is believed to maintain the bond between them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

So there you go. And he does. Charles gives Bob a coin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also wanted to point out how beautiful this pocket knife is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Beautiful.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's engraved with the letters CM it's got this ivory handle. I found this on blademagazine.com the knife was made by a Canadian knife maker named Brian Little. He described it as a gentleman's piece in an old time style, but large enough for use as a tool to make traps and spears and for other survival needs. The letters CM are of course, for Charles Morse. But here's the thing I thought was interesting. Brian Little had worked on Legends of.

[Jenna Fischer]

The Fall with Anthony Hopkins.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And Brad Pitt. And Brad Pitt liked his knives and actually bought some to give as gifts to the movie's cast, including Anthony Hopkins. When it came time to select the knives for the edge, the assistant props master brought along Little's knives during a meeting with all the movie officials, which Anthony Hopkins attended. And he saw the blades and recognized the maker's name on them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's pictures of Brian Little, like, on the set with this article. I'll include it in our stories. He also was the person that engraved both watches because he was also an engraver. And he passed away in 2016. But his legacy lives on.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's beautiful. I love that they used this artist.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

This specialty knife maker on this film. But I have a nagging question. Did Brad Pitt give Anthony Hopkins a penny? Are they still friends?

[Angela Kinsey]

This. We don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

If I ever meet Brad Pitt or Anthony Hopkins, that's the question I'm going to ask. I'll be so confused.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope you lead with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I will.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope you say, brad, I know you gave everyone knives as a gift by Brian Little, the Canadian knife maker. Did you also include a coin?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I hope I'm with you the day you ask him that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do I lead with that or do I lead with Funny story. Sometimes I have a dream that you make me soup.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, God.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know which one.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, you have to lead with that one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. We're also both from Missouri. There's so much for me to talk to Brad Pitt about.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now you're gonna talk his ear off if you ever meet with him.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have not met.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. Well, as soon as they do this gift exchange, everybody who's doing the photography shoot is like, guys, we gotta get up early tomorrow. Let's go to bed. And they just leave. And the only person left behind is Stiles, Krusty Stiles and Charles. They have another sort of 90 second conversation. And now it's bedtime for everybody.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

The next day, Charles is reading his survival book and the photo shoot is happening. But Bob says it's Lame. This is a lame photo shoot.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's more flirty banter, though, between Bob and Mickey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

They do these sort of cockney accents. And she's like, should I sunbathe on this beach nude? And he's like, sorry, lady, it's against the rules. Ha, ha. What are they doing? They are flirting right in front of Charles.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

He gives her a peck on the cheek.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But she blows him an air kiss, so I guess it's okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, well, we have what I'm calling creepy Krusty Styles moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

As Charles is going through his book, he opens to a page with a Kodiak bear. And Krusty Stiles says, kodiak bear soon kill you. As look at you. And the ones that's killed a man is a manhunter for the rest of his life. Nothing he'd rather eat. Got the taste of human flesh. A man killing machine.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is creepy.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is. Is everybody keeping up with this? Here's what we need to keep our eye on. We need to keep our eye on these watches. We need to keep our eye on man killing bear. Bear that has a taste for man.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Also, don't forget, we are worried about migrating birds. That's gonna come up in a second.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, now Bob is really pissed because apparently nothing on this photo shoot is going his way. I guess there's some shoes that look really shitty. They need to be shined. Charles, of course, pipes in with some trivia. He says, use a banana peel. I looked it up. It's true. You can shine shoes with a banana peel, Charles. I mean, I can't imagine him on a road trip. He's got so much trivia.

[Jenna Fischer]

You do not need to look up anything Charles says. It's all true.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's all true. And then also, Bob finds out that his model James is sick. Like, really sick.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's a male model.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

He can't participate. So Bob says, I need Jack Hawk.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. That's who I need. We're gonna get in this prop plane. We're gonna go to his cabin.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's 80 miles north with no phone or radio. I mean, I'm out.

[Jenna Fischer]

They gotta go. And they say, charles, come with us. Let's go on an adventure. Charles is like, sure, I'm in. Here's why they're doing this. Now, in this movie, Charles is gonna drop a lot of wisdom. I have four wisdom moments that I'm gonna point out as we break down this film. Bob has one, and it's right Here. Here's the one piece of advice in life that I think you can take from Bob.

[Angela Kinsey]

What is it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Steven says, should we really do this? Is this a good idea? Like, should we go fly and get this guy? And Bob says, a good plan today is better than the perfect plan tomorrow.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have that in bold.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Which is another way of saying, why put it off?

[Angela Kinsey]

Just do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Get it done.

[Angela Kinsey]

Get it done. And you know what? Charles is probably ready to go. I mean, Mickey's like, get some air under your wings. And then also, Stiles has hit him up for about 30 to 40 million dollars to build, like, a resort.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

So he's like, I'm out. We do find out that they're going to lose light at 4:18pm they got to get going.

[Jenna Fischer]

So they get on the plane. They're heading out.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're heading out. I do have a classic Bob snark moment as they take off on the plane.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want to play it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right.

[E]

Can I tell you something, Charles?

[C]

Mm, yeah, if you like.

[E]

I admire the way you took that joke last night.

[Jenna Fischer]

Huh?

[E]

Handled it well. Embarrassing moment. I thought you handled it well.

[C]

Thank you.

[E]

Tough road. A hoe you think about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's some snark right there. That's like, oh, I was so embarrassed for you. But you handled it great. How embarrassing for you, though. You fell down. Gosh, that was embarrassing. But you did fantastic.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Such snark.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, I do want to adopt how Charles responds to someone wanting to tell them something.

[Jenna Fischer]

What did he say?

[Angela Kinsey]

Say, I want to tell you something.

[Jenna Fischer]

I want to tell you something.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, if you like.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. So there's some great dialogue. It goes on what you played, Angela. It goes on. Bob says, I bet it's really hard to have all that money.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

People always coming at you. You never know why people really want to be around you. And then Charles says, never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a great line.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bob loves it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Loves it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thought that was so funny. And then Charles looks at Bob and says, so how are you planning to kill me?

[Angela Kinsey]

And then right after he says that, all the birds fly into the plane, and the pilot is like, hold on.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so dramatic.

[Jenna Fischer]

And the plane goes down. It plummets. I mean, like, down the edge of a cliff, and then it crashes into the lake. I found a video on how they did this crash. It is so fascinating because this is before. This is 1996, everybody. This isn't like it's before like all.

[Angela Kinsey]

The special effects Y stuff, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, before all the CGI stuff. Now, first of all, these geese that fly into the plane window and get in the propeller and cause it to jam up and then make the plane go down. They were added digitally in post, but to get this crash, they basically built a giant zip line from the top of the mountain over the lake down to the other side of the shore. And they attached the plane to the zip line and then they made it crash into the lake. The video shows how they tested it. They like crazy. But I want you to hear how the shoot day went. So they tested it one day and then they put the plane up there and they got ready to shoot it. Here's a clip.

[D]

At 5 o'clock in the morning, the crew returns to prep the plane for its brief flight. Mannequins are placed inside the cockpit to sit in for the actors. The plane is loaded onto a transport boat and brought out to the rig where it's attached to the cables. The wings. Wings and pontoon are pre cut or scored to make sure they tear off cleanly.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's it. We got it.

[D]

Once it's secured to the rig, the crew clears the area in preparation for the big moment. But before any action takes place, a safety meeting is held to outline procedures for the crash.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now, in terms of safety, the area which is the Most dangerous is 150 foot either side of the bollards holding the lines to the plane.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you hear that? It was a safety meeting.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love it. I mean, that's a big safety meeting. Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ange, I'll send you the link if anyone wants to watch this. You can watch this stunt. You can watch the whole safety meeting.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll put it in our stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

They went on to say that they had six cameras set up to get the plane crash. Remember when we broke down speed and we learned about how they jumped the bus and they had all the cameras? All right, well, they set up the six cameras, they did a take, and the director didn't think it looked dramatic enough. Oh, and I got it. When you see it in the video, it's kind of like they've clearly like they're making it so that it comes down real slow down the zip line. The director was like, I don't know, it looked kind of lame. So he's like, I want to do a second take. First they had to get the broken plane out of the lake. They only had one plane. This isn't speed. With their like 13 buses, they had One plane. They had to reassemble the plane overnight. And then they did another take the next morning, and it worked. And what they did was they put no resistance on the zip line. The second time, they just fully let gravity take that plane off the top of the mountain. It's so dramatic. It's an amazing special effect.

[Angela Kinsey]

So many departments had to come together to work on that.

[Jenna Fischer]

So many. This video is really cool, but. Okay, so back to the movie. Where are we?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we're underwater. The plane has submerged. The pilot looks like he died on impact.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob, I want to point out, swims to the surface alone.

[Jenna Fischer]

He seemed like he tried to take note of his surroundings. And he very quickly was like, saving myself.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't stick around that long. He noted that the pilot, the one guy he probably needs, is dead. And then he's like, I'm out. These two guys are on their own.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Charles uses his knife, swims over to Steven, cuts his seatbelt because Steven is stuck. He can't get out. And then he grabs the bag of flares. Very smart. They swim to the surface, and his survival book floats away.

[Jenna Fischer]

But he's already read it. I want to point out, end to.

[Angela Kinsey]

End, he doesn't need it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. It probably would be good to have. But also, Charles remembers everything.

[Angela Kinsey]

But you know what they probably would have used it for?

[Jenna Fischer]

Fire.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not reading fire.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Charles and Bob now drag Stephen to safety on the shore. And Charles has to do CPR on Stephen. And finally he comes to, and they're all just freezing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Freezing.

[Angela Kinsey]

They get up kind of higher up the shoreline, and they're trying to figure out how they can start a fire.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. They're trying to light a fire with some matches, and they just can't get it to start. And Bob is like, it. And he takes one of the flares and he, like, shoots it into the brush that they've brought together. And the fire starts immediately. And Charles is like, we really maybe should save those. Save those for when we need to signal for aircraft. But you know what? I'm gonna allow this for Bob because they are shaking. They are shivering. That is a sign of hypothermia. I know this from my cold dipping. If you're ever cold dipping and you start to shiver, you're supposed to get out. And so they did need to warm up fast. So I think they using one of their three flares for this purpose. I'm gonna give them a pass.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Bob does have a moment where I got real pissed off at him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why?

[Angela Kinsey]

Happens a lot for me. But he shares that he took the note from the cabin door.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, we forgot this plot point lady. So first of all, they get in that plane, they fly to find the guy, and he's gone hunting. He left a note on his door that he went hunting. He says, where? And they're like, oh, let's go find him where he's hunting. These guys are crazy.

[Angela Kinsey]

So, yeah, they go even further into the wilderness.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're now way away from where anyone would think they would be. But Charles thinks, well, maybe they'll know to come look for us this deep because of the note. Remember the note on the door where the guy said, I'm going deeper into the woods?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Bob goes, oh. And he opens his jacket, and he's like, I took the note. Why would he take the man's note? Yeah, why?

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, so fine, he used the flare. Boo. That he took the note. Also another boo. Bob's gonna let the fire go out overnight.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Fire died. They survived the night. But there's no more fire.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's no more fire. Here's the thing. Bob is the reason they went deeper into the woods.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob took the note, so now no one knows where they are. Bob used one of the flares, then he let the fire go out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He also would have left Steven to die.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, all true. All true. Well, now they're going to start to wonder, how are they getting out of here? Because no one knows where to look for them.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're going to have to walk back. They have to figure out which way is south because they need to walk south to try to get back to where they started, where people might be looking for them.

[Jenna Fischer]

But Charles is going to have to convince these guys. And here we have wisdom moment number one. This is your first moment of wisdom in the movie the Edge, and I want you to hear it.

[C]

I once read an interesting book. It said that most people lost in the wilds, they die of shame.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[C]

Yeah, See? They die of shame. What did I do wrong? How could I have gotten myself into this? And so they sit there and they die because they didn't do the one thing which would have saved their lives.

[Angela Kinsey]

And what is that Charles thinking?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Okay, so listen, Obviously this is wisdom because it is a metaphor. It is not just about being in the wilderness. This is about when we are faced with any challenge in life, we can sit and give up and stew in how did I get myself into this position? Why is this happening? To me. Oh, woe is me. Or we can think ourself out of this situation. We can put our mind to it, and we can get out. Wisdom moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wisdom moment. Don't be a victim. Be active. Be a doer.

[Jenna Fischer]

Be a doer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, Charles is going to try to determine which way is south because that's the way they need to go to get back to where someone might be looking for them. And he realizes his watch is broken. And he asks Bob, hey, can I look at your watch? Bob crosses his arms like a toddler and goes, mine's broken, too. Shady. Shady Bob. That's what I'm calling him. Charles is now going to make a compass using a paperclip and a leaf. Bob is like, charles, what are you doing? But they kind of follow him along anyway.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. He rubs the paper clip on some silk, I guess, his sweater or his shirt. And then he puts it on a leaf on some water, and it pulls into a direction, and he's like, there it is. He says, the magnet of the earth will point it north. And we're just going to head the other way.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, I have a moment that I'm calling is Charles Yoda.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

He says the following. Just because you're lost doesn't mean to say that your compass is broken.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Can't you hear Yoda saying that?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I can.

[Angela Kinsey]

The three men are now making their way through this rough terrain. They're heading south. There's, like, this jagged rocky mountain pass. And then Charles decides to tell a random story about the Vikings. I thought you should hear it.

[C]

You know, the Vikings would steer their ship with a rope.

[Angela Kinsey]

With a rope.

[Jenna Fischer]

How did they do that, Charles?

[C]

Well, they'd have these two set points on the land they'd left behind or sailed away from, and they'd line them up, and that would be their bearing. And then they trail this long rope behind the ship, pointing at those two points. The kill or whatever.

[E]

You might want to conserve your breath.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a Bob snark. Bob is like, we're hiking up this thing. We're lost in the woods. Would you shut up about the Vikings? So we have some Bob snark, but I wanted to play this clip because I feel like Charles is a combination of Dwight Yoda and Cliff Clavin from Cheers.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Yes, Very much so. Well, now, luckily, they come upon a waterfall, and they can have some water.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, because they have no food or water. That's the other thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. They haven't eaten. This is the first time we've seen them drink water. And now they're gonna keep walking. And now Bob is gonna circle back and ask Charles. What was up with that comment on the plane about, like, how I'm gonna kill you? What did you mean by that? Why would I wanna kill you, Charles? And Charles says, my wife.

[Angela Kinsey]

He says, I've seen the two of you together.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Yeah. Bob's like, why would I wanna antagonize such a powerful man? I can get my own girls.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Charles says, maybe you want the money.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. And then Bob laughs and he's like, oh, man. The rich really are different. You just think everybody loves your money.

[Angela Kinsey]

Even though I keep bringing it up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. They're gonna keep walking. They're gonna keep walking.

[Angela Kinsey]

Charles has some more trivia.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Everyone is in a pretty good mood.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. All things considered.

[Jenna Fischer]

All things considered. Until they hear a very unsettling noise. Yeah, it's a bear.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a Kodiak bear.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob and Steven, they bug out of there. Charles looks the bear right in the eye.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what Krusty Stiles said to do.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then he slowly backs up. But then they start running, and they are running man for their lives. And the bear is chasing them. And all I could think about in this scene was the thing that Josh always tells me, which is you only have to outrun one person.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, the person in the rear is Charles.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. They all. They get this giant log to cross over this stream, and the other two go across it, and Charles is trying to go across it. This is terrifying. This log is up high, it's narrow, and the bear comes up and starts pounding on the log, trying to get him to fall off.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I want to shout out the production designer, Wolf Kroger, and the locations manager, Rhino Pace this whole chase scene through the woods. It's down an embankment, it's into the water. I mean, this was an amazing location and set design. Like, amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Should we also talk about our new main character that has entered the film? The bear?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. The bear in the movie was played by the very famous Bart the Bear. He was a Kodiak brown bear subspecies from an island on the coast of Alaska. This is where many bears grow to be quite enormous. However, he frequently played an inland brown bear. It's very rare for an inland bear to be the size of Bart.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

He weighed over 1700 pounds as an adult. Bart has an impressive resume. You mentioned Legends of the Fall, Angela. Bart was in Legends of the Fall.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

He had worked with Anthony Hopkins, before Bart was so well trained that he could be commanded to do things like stand up on his hind legs, charge toward actors and even swim without needing much prompting from his handler or trainers. Alec Baldwin was extremely impressed with how well trained and docile Bart was. And here he is describing what it was like to work with him.

[E]

The bear thing is done very carefully and it's very kind of sterile how it's done for safety reasons. So when you do it, there isn't a lot of danger involved. I mean, they bring the bear out and you sit there and go, wow, it's a. It's this famous movie bear. How are you today? Nice to see you. And then the thing gets up on all fours. That was kind of striking. I had. I wasn't prepared for how enormous this thing is. I mean, it's like, you know, I don't know what is 9ft tall or 11ft tall or some ridiculous thing. It's like, it's like the size of a, you know, of a tree, you know. But the interesting thing is that it's all done very cautiously when you're shooting and there's not a lot of really danger involved. And it's. And they go off and they piece it together and cut it and do sound editing and things like that to make it. So when I saw the film, I thought, wow, you know, they really, really got made this look very, very harrowing and very frightening.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Alec Baldwin went on to say that he was actually concerned that it wouldn't look scary enough because of how docile the bear was while they were shooting. And when he saw the final film, Alec Baldwin said that Bart should send the film editor a fruit basket for making him look so scary.

[Angela Kinsey]

He did look scary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Trainers Doug and Lynn Seuss said that Anthony Hopkins was, quote, absolutely brilliant with Bart because he acknowledged and respected Bart like a fellow actor. That Anthony Hopkins would spend hours just looking at Bart, admiring him. And as a result, Anthony Hopkins did many of his own scenes with Bart.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I saw an interview with Anthony where he talks about acting with Bart the bear, and I thought we should hear it.

[C]

Yes, he's a real bear, 1500 pound killer. He was also in Legends of the Fall with Brad. He's a big animal and he's a killer. He'll kill you if you get in his way. But he's been brilliantly trained by Doug Seuss and treated with great love and affection and respect.

[Angela Kinsey]

You can really hear in his voice the reverence that he has that this is a huge animal. That has been trained well. But I am going to be respectful and just be careful.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Well, sadly, Bart died of cancer in 2000 at the age of 23. His trainers, Doug and Lynn Seuss, started the Vital Ground foundation in honor of Bart. It was an organization set up to help preserve land for great grizzlies and other wildlife.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I love that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Well, listen, you said that Bart the bear was stomping on this tree limb that Charles is trying to cross. Charles is going to go in the water, and so is the bag of flares.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then these other guys are going to have to go fish him out of the water.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

They escape the bear, but they lose the flares.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. And the bear looks down at them and is, like, ticked off, and he roars. And here's a moment that I found incredibly frightening, because that bear turns around real quick and leaves. And you know what? That is not a good sign.

[Jenna Fischer]

You don't think?

[Angela Kinsey]

Not in Kinsey Survival 101, in my opinion. You want that bear to be really mad and growl and growl, and then slowly give up and be like, oh, well, get them today. No, no, no. He does a hard pivot and runs the other way somewhere. Because you know what? He knows another way to get him. He's going around something he has not done. That's what I think that means.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm telling you, you're going to be right.

[Angela Kinsey]

When I watched this the first time and I knew nothing about the movie, when that bear turned around so fast, I was like, mm, mm. He knows another way.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Well, now the guys have to continue their journey. Charles is really beating himself up because he lost the flares.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. This would be his moment of shame.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And Bob reminds him, shame is how people die in the woods. You gotta let it go, Charles.

[Angela Kinsey]

Charles is very touched that Bob saved his life. And, you know, Bob jokes that he'd have to kill Stephen if he killed Charles. And he really needs Stephen because Steven knows how to make his coffee. Charles says, how do you like your coffee?

[Jenna Fischer]

And Bob says, I like my coffee how I like my women.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Stephen says, bitter and murky. And then they laugh so hard.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I wrote, I'd be myself. How can they be so jokey so quickly?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, they're in shock.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're in shock.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think they're in shock.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're gonna have to camp out for the night. They make another fire again.

[Angela Kinsey]

They haven't eaten.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nope.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they don't have any water with them.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. The Next morning, they're walking, and guess what happens? They come upon their first campfire with the flare that they used, and they realize they have just walked in a giant circle. Yeah, well, Stephen starts to lose it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's convinced they're going to die out there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. They have no food, they haven't eaten.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Charles is going to give him a knife, tell him to make a spear. I want you to listen because this is wisdom moment number two from Charles.

[C]

See this? Gonna make a spear. All right?

[D]

You want me to make a spear?

[C]

Yeah, we need you to make one for fishing. Go and take that. Go and take it. Good. Fine. Okay. You can do that.

[Angela Kinsey]

They'll never find us.

[C]

They will find us, Steve. And even if they don't, we're gonna walk out of here. You do as I say now. Okay? I'm gonna make a fire. Come on, get on with it. It's gonna be okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here is the piece that I missed. I missed this the first 15 times I watched this movie. I'm gonna get emotional, so buckle in. I watched this movie last year after my breast cancer surgery, before I started chemo. And I was spiraling and I thought, how am I going to get through this? How am I going to get through this? And I zeroed in on this part of the movie when Charles says, we're going to walk out of here. And now I'm getting choked up because I thought to myself, I'm going to get through this. I'm going to walk out of here. I am walking out of here. And I started walking every day. Every single day. Sometimes I did circles in my backyard. Sometimes I walked around the whole block. Sometimes I went on full hikes. I went on a full three mile hike. @ one point during chemo, I did what I could each day, it wasn't the same each day, but I held onto that. I thought, I am going to walk out of here. That's how I'm going to get through it. That's how I'm going to get out of here. And that is why I love this movie so much. I love it so much because to me, that was like. That was my moment. And I just wanted to lay in bed all day and I just wanted to feel all my side effects. And I just wanted to. I really thought, I don't know how I keep on keeping on this year.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, but that was a moment for me where I had to decide, right? I had to decide, what am I waiting for? No one can do this but me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

And how Am I gonna be during this journey?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I remember you left me a message.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you're like, ang, I'm gonna walk out of this. I'm literally going to walk. And you. It was like an emotional decision and a physicality that you took on as well to sort of bolden the emotional resolve. And you did. You would walk. And I was just. I was. Man, I was amazed, Jenna, at your grit.

[Jenna Fischer]

One foot in front of the other. And like I said, sometimes it was a five minute circle in my backyard, but I walked every day. And that did something to my mental resolve. And you know, my cancer nurse, Nurse Ron, who I love, he encouraged me to get up out of bed each day and have some kind of activity. He said he's been a cancer nurse for, my gosh, 25, 30 years. And he said, in my experience, the women who keep moving, they do better. They just do better. He's so sweet. He was like, so I don't want you to go in and draw those curtains and stay in bed. Draw those curtains. I love that so much. The idea that I was just going to draw my curtains. He was like, I want you to throw open those curtains. I want you to get sunlight each day. I want you to get fresh air each day. And I want you to walk just a little bit each day. And so when I saw this movie, I thought, yeah, that's right. I'm going to walk out of this just like Nurse Ron and just like Charles tells us too.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm so glad you're sharing all of that, Jenna. This is all stuff I knew. It's also another reason I really wanted to watch this movie, because I knew on a deeper level how it spoke to you in that moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

It did.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know, in the scene, there's more dialogue where Bob is questioning Charles as well. And I wanted to point out this is the first time we see Charles raise his voice. He's been so mild mannered.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

With everything going on. But this is the first time he seems slightly agitated. And he says to Bob, what would you like to do, huh? Should we lay down and die? And then he raises his voice. He's like, should we lay down and die?

[Jenna Fischer]

Bob.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob apologizes, but I thought it was important to point out this is the first moment Charles is getting worked up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Well, now something's going to happen.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, we hear a scream. Like a pure pain yell.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Stephen, while he was making his spear, has cut his leg, like, deep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. The minute I saw this, I thought, well, he's dead.

[Jenna Fischer]

Charles is gonna stay calm at this very bloody leg. He's like, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine.

[Angela Kinsey]

He puts a bandana around it, he ties it tightly. And then night falls. And Charles has made like a little lean to structure that they can all that they're all sitting under.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he's like, you know what? I think you're going to be fine because it was a clean cut. And Stephen thanks Charles. He's like, you know what, you're all right. You're a very thoughtful man. And Charles appreciates that. And Charles, like, you know what? We're going to get out of here. He points to a constellation and says, that's Cassiopeia. And he says, we're going to walk south through the river to safety. And as Stephen falls asleep, he says, how do people die in the woods? And Charles says, shame.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's right. So we're not going to blame ourselves for cutting our leg and making it harder for all of us to get out of the woods. We're just going to move on.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. We're all fine. This is just no biggie.

[Angela Kinsey]

And now Charles leaves a sleeping Steven. He goes to wash his hands in the lake. How do you wash your hands in a lake? Do you wade into the lake? He walked into the lake. There is no reason for him to get his feet wet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is cold out. Why? Why? Bob is having a smoke. He looks out at the view. He says, this all puts things in perspective. You know, it's a little different from the fashion world. A little different from snorting coke off girls hip bones.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then Charles says, how so?

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they have a good laugh.

[Angela Kinsey]

They do. And then Bob gets up and walks in the lake.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why I did not notice this.

[Angela Kinsey]

They both now have wet feet at night.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bad idea.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is very upsetting to me. I often have cold feet at night.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it wouldn't have mattered if they walked in the lake or not. They're gonna have cold wet feet. Because just like in an episode of Survivor when you think this day can't get any worse, it's going to start pouring rain.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pouring downpour.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. They're freezing. They're shivering.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. Charles once again is like, listen, we're gonna get out of here. And then he notices the blood stained pant leg. Okay. So when they made the tourniquet for Stephen's leg, they cut off part of his bloody clothes. And Charles explicitly says, bob, go bury this. Right. It's got blood on it. Bury it Bury it. What did Bob do? He hung it from a tree, threw it up in a tree.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why?

[Angela Kinsey]

Why? It's just, like, blowing in the wind. Just this blood smell going through the air. I wrote, I hate Bob. And Bob's like, what's the big deal?

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll do it later. And Charles is like, you're putting the scent of blood in the air. The bear is gonna smell that. And Bob's like, whatever. No sooner does Bob dismiss this idea than a bear comes barreling out of the woods.

[Angela Kinsey]

The same bear.

[Jenna Fischer]

And eats Stephen. Just brutally attacks him. Brutally attacks him.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want to point out Bob hauls ass pretty quick. Charles stays behind and tries to throw logs at the bear. And you know what, though? There's no saving Steven. He's literally getting picked up upside down, torn apart. Charles sees it all. How did he come back from that? That would haunt me for the rest of my life.

[Jenna Fischer]

We got a fan letter from Melissa P. In Ohio who said the Edge made me literally retreat downstairs the first time I watched it during the bear bit.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm sorry, Melissa. This is a great bear attack scene. It's not my favorite bear attack scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

How do you. I'm sorry, How. Why do you have a list of bear attack scenes? Who are you?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, why do they keep putting them in movies?

[Angela Kinsey]

What other movies? I don't watch movies with bear attacks.

[Jenna Fischer]

The Revenant.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. I'm not seeing that. I will never see that, Sam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cassie, have you seen the Revenant?

[Angela Kinsey]

I have.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's incredible. Incredible. It is. The edge times 10. Yes, it is.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's everything that the Edge has, but even more. More harrowing, More survival. More cold water, more bear attack.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't take it.

[Jenna Fischer]

But without this, sort of, like, it doesn't have the. What? Sam? It's not uplifting in any way. Correct. That's what I was gonna say. There's no, like, wisdom. It's very dark.

[Angela Kinsey]

You mean there's no jokes about watches in two time zones?

[Jenna Fischer]

There's not. No one gets pranked at all?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

When he gets pranked in the Remnant.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, well, everyone, I think this is a good stopping place. This ends part one of our breakdown. Please join us next week to see how Charles and Bob go on from here.

[Angela Kinsey]

I got a hint for you. It's not gonna go great.

[Jenna Fischer]

It does not. And I will also be sharing the things you should and should not do during a real barrel attack.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're going to want to hear this.

[Jenna Fischer]

I thank you all for listening today and I hope you'll come back with us next week. This has just been a delightful, delightful Galentine's Day gift. Angela, I thank you so much. You're welcome.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's going to keep on going.

[Jenna Fischer]

We'll see you next week.

[Angela Kinsey]

See you then.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins, our audio engineer is Sam Keefer, and our associate producer is Ainslie Bubbico.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dennis Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basel.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

[Jenna Fischer]

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