Office Ladies News, The Plan & Dragons

Summary

Office Ladies Podcast Summary: "Office Ladies News, The Plan & Dragons"

Release Date: October 2, 2024
Hosts: Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey

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Episode Overview

In the "Office Ladies News, The Plan & Dragons" episode, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey delve into significant updates surrounding their beloved podcast. Balancing the excitement of concluding their in-depth rewatch of "The Office" with new ventures, the hosts share insights into their upcoming projects, special guests, and collaborative endeavors that promise to enrich the listener experience.

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Key Announcements

No Rewatch This Week

Jenna and Angela begin by informing listeners that there will be no "Office Ladies Rewatch" episode this week. This decision stems from the duo's commitment to delivering comprehensive and thoughtful analyses of the final episodes of "The Office."

• [03:23] Jenna Fischer: "We don't have a rewatch this week. But it is because we are doing some big time prepping."

Extended Prep for Final Episodes

The hosts emphasize the importance of adequately preparing for the concluding episodes to ensure nothing is overlooked, especially with the highly anticipated series finale.

• [03:35] Angela Kinsey: "Yes. These final four episodes of the rewatch, there was just so much stuff that we didn't want to miss, particularly with the finale, that we needed an extra week to gather everything."

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Future Direction: Office Ladies 6.0

Introducing Office Ladies 6.0

Looking ahead, Jenna and Angela unveil their plans to transition into "Office Ladies 6.0," a new segment aimed at expanding the podcast's content beyond the rewatch.

• [05:32] Jenna Fischer: "We might be coming to the end of this rewatch, but we are not going anywhere."

Theme and Focus

Inspired by Pam’s "6.0" reference from "The Office," the new segment will continue to explore fun office stories, conduct interviews, and delve deeper into the intricacies of "The Office" universe.

• [05:40] Angela Kinsey: "Perfect."

• [05:43] Jenna Fischer: "I love 6.0."

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Special Guests and Episodes

Upcoming Interview with Alison Jones

One of the most exciting announcements is the upcoming interview with Alison Jones, the producer responsible for assembling the cast of "The Office." Jenna and Angela highlight that Alison possesses exclusive behind-the-scenes stories that will offer listeners a unique perspective on the show's creation.

• [06:42] Jenna Fischer: "It's Alison Jones, the person responsible for the cast of The Office."

"All About Michael Scott" Episode

The hosts reveal they are crafting a special episode titled "All About Michael Scott," promising an in-depth character analysis that fans will find both insightful and entertaining.

• [06:18] Angela Kinsey: "We have an episode that we're working on right now. It's called All About Michael Scott and it is like a true character breakdown of Michael Scott and it is absolutely delicious."

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Rewatch Reruns: Second Drink

Launching "Second Drink"

To keep the rewatch community engaged, Jenna and Angela announce "Second Drink," a Monday rerun segment that will revisit past episodes of the rewatch with added bonus tidbits.

• [07:52] Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey: "Monday's is second drink."

This initiative ensures that listeners can catch up on previous discussions while anticipating new content in "Office Ladies 6.0."

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Book Highlight: Kendra Adachi's "The Plan"

Featuring Kendra Adachi

The episode features a special segment with Kendra Adachi, a two-time New York Times bestselling author and member of the Office Ladies network. Kendra introduces her upcoming book, "The Plan," focusing on compassionate time management and overcoming the productivity trap.

• [10:27] Jenna Fischer: "Now, we thought Kendra Adachi could help us out today. She has a new book coming out. It's called The Plan."

Reading the First Chapter

Kendra reads the first chapter of her book, providing listeners with a glimpse into her perspective on why planning is challenging and how societal pressures contribute to the productivity industrial complex.

• [12:29] Angela Kinsey: "Let's go, Peloton."

Note: The actual reading begins around [12:20], but for brevity, only key highlights are summarized here.

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Notable Quotes

• [03:35] Angela Kinsey: "There is a lot of information and we wanted to do it properly."

• [04:29] Jenna Fischer: "There are two versions of the finale of The Office. We discovered this in our research."

• [05:43] Jenna Fischer: "I love 6.0."

• [06:42] Jenna Fischer: "It's Alison Jones, the person responsible for the cast of The Office."

• [07:52] Jenna Fischer: "Monday's is second drink."

• [10:27] Jenna Fischer: "Now, we thought Kendra Adachi could help us out today."

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Closing Thoughts

As the "Office Ladies" podcast approaches the culmination of their "The Office" rewatch, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey skillfully balance nostalgia with forward-thinking initiatives. By introducing "Office Ladies 6.0" and collaborating with authors like Kendra Adachi, they demonstrate a commitment to evolving the podcast while maintaining the heartfelt connection with their audience. Listeners can anticipate a blend of in-depth analyses, exclusive interviews, and enriching content that honors the legacy of "The Office" while paving the way for new adventures.

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Transcript

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like we're not telling people anything they don't already know. But Wayfair is the place to shop for all things home. Literally everything from sofas to spatulas. You name it, they have it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here are a few items from Wayfair in my house right now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Rewatch podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office ladies. Hello.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hi. You look so cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

You look like fall. You kind of dress for fall.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think it's finally fall. I hope it's finally fall.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope so. I'm wearing a flannel.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm ready for fall.

[Angela Kinsey]

Same. Well, everyone out there listening, listen, don't get upset with us, but we don't have a rewatch this week. But it is because we are doing some big time prepping.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. These final four episodes of the rewatch, there was just so much stuff that we didn't want to miss, particularly with the finale, that we needed an extra week to gather everything.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. There is a lot of information and we wanted to do it properly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, we didn't want to rush.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, we have a certain special guest that's going to be joining us in the studio for our very last episode and we couldn't record that until he was available.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, you just gave it away or part of it away. You said he.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, crap.

[Jenna Fischer]

There is. Okay, there's a he.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we have some really special things planned. Just know that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And this particular thing is something that we've talked about wanting to do for our final episode since we started the podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

The very beginning. We knew that's how we wanted to.

[Jenna Fischer]

End it, so we had to make the time to make that happen. So no rewatch this week. But we do have some things to say.

[Angela Kinsey]

So.

[Jenna Fischer]

So here we are. First of all, very important, There are two versions of the finale of the Office. We discovered this in our research. There is the version that lives on itunes, and then there is the version that lives on the dvd. And the one on the DVD is the one that aired and that is the one that we are going to be breaking down when we get to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. We want to break down the version that aired originally in 2013 for many reasons, one of which is that it has an extra 7 minutes and 76 seconds of footage.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So if you are re watching with us, that's what we will be breaking down in two weeks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Dave Rogers did tell us that the original version was also on Netflix. So for those of you who have the Office on Netflix, you should have the correct version.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I also thought that we could share a little bit about what's next for Office Ladies. People have been asking Angela, what are we doing next?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we want to tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right. We might be coming to the end of this rewatch, but we are not going anywhere.

[Angela Kinsey]

We are moving right into office ladies 6.0.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love it so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

So perfect.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love 6.0.

[Angela Kinsey]

You guys remember when Michael called Katie the purse girl? Pam 6.0. Well, we just thought that would be the perfect title for our new Wednesday show.

[Jenna Fischer]

We are going to continue to share all of our fun office stories. We're going to interview people, we're going to deep dive, we're going to mom detect it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. There are still a lot of things to cover, so we're going to go deeper into the world of the Office and Best friendship.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have an episode that we're working on right now. It's called All About Michael Scott and it is like a true character breakdown of Michael Scott and it is absolutely delicious.

[Angela Kinsey]

We have gone through everything, the show, Bible episodes, candy bags, digital clutter, reached.

[Jenna Fischer]

Out to writers, all in an effort to get to the bottom of Michael Scott. And it has been so fun. I hope we'll do that for every character at some point.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't wait till we get to Creed.

[Jenna Fischer]

I really want to do Kevin. All About Kevin. Hello.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do too. And Kelvin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. But we also have a very special interview coming up for you guys to kick off. Office Lady 6.0. You've asked for it. We're going to do it. It's Alison Jones, the person responsible for.

[Angela Kinsey]

The cast of the Office.

[Jenna Fischer]

She assembled us and we haven't talked to her yet.

[Angela Kinsey]

And she has really, really good behind the scenes stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

And talk about digital clutter.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, lady. She has everything.

[Jenna Fischer]

She has a storage facility. In the Making of Office Ladies, the podcast. I have reached out to her and she has said to me, you know what? I know the answer to that, but it's in my storage facility. And then she'll go to her storage facility on a Saturday and come back with the answer on a Monday. This woman has a lot of stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

We can't wait to talk to her.

[Jenna Fischer]

So every Wednesday you're going to get office ladies 6.0.

[Angela Kinsey]

But that's not all.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is not all.

[Angela Kinsey]

We know how much you guys love the rewatch. It's not Going anywhere either. Every Monday, we will be rerunning the Rewatch library in order with bonus tidbits at the top of every episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

And guess what we're calling that. Should we say it together?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think we should.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

Come on. It's so perfect.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, so Monday's is second drink. Wednesday's is Office Lady 6.0. We can't wait.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's really the best of everything.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

But also, we didn't want to leave you guys hanging today.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, is that a thing hanging? Is that a bad thing? Is that an expression about a penis?

[Kendra Adachi]

No, you're safe.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, I think it's about leaving fruit hanging on the tree. You know, something that's delicious that will nourish you.

[Kendra Adachi]

Laying pipe, however.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, Sam. Laying pipe is not. But I think. You know what? I'm so sorry. I think in my brain, I was like. Is that like, saying you're well hung? We don't want to leave you well hung hanging? I don't know. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm so sorry. Okay, wait, wait. Okay. I'm sorry that I'm taking it in this direction, but I was at my friend's birthday party this past weekend, and I heard an expression that I had never heard before. What about penises.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. What?

[Jenna Fischer]

We were doing this very funny quiz about the birthday boy.

[Angela Kinsey]

We were dividing, like a party game.

[Jenna Fischer]

A party game.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we were being quizzed on facts about the birthday boy, and one of the questions that his wife asked was, is he a shower or a grower? Have you heard this expression?

[Kendra Adachi]

Yeah, of course.

[Jenna Fischer]

I had never heard this expression.

[Angela Kinsey]

What does it mean to be a shower?

[Jenna Fischer]

So a shower is if your penis shows really well, just flaccid. So, like, could you impress other people.

[Angela Kinsey]

Just in your sweatpants on a walk?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, no, no, no. Nudie. Just if you showed it, I thought.

[Angela Kinsey]

If it's the shower, then it must look good.

[Kendra Adachi]

No, that would technically count.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Are you a shower?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like, does it just show?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, okay. Or does it need a little time?

[Jenna Fischer]

Is it a grower? Does it become impressive as it grows?

[Angela Kinsey]

And this was a question she asked her a group of people, and we.

[Jenna Fischer]

Had to decide if the birthday boy was a shower or a grower.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is so embarrassing.

[Kendra Adachi]

Well, which was he?

[Jenna Fischer]

He was a grower.

[Kendra Adachi]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Clearly someone you've known for a long time. This group of friends.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, yes. Anyway.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Well done.

[Jenna Fischer]

That story I wasn't expecting to tell today on this special episode of Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Guess what? Here's a segue I don't know how to do. You guys all know we love the lazy genius.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm sure she's thrilled to be associated with this episode. Now, we thought Kendra Adachi could help us out today. She has a new book coming out. It's called the Plan. And we thought we could give you a sneak peek.

[Angela Kinsey]

And of course, you guys that listen here all the time know that Kendra is on the Office Ladies network and we just adore her. She is a two time New York Times bestselling author. Jenna and I got an advanced copy of her new book, the Plan. It's seriously a game changer.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Look, we all struggle with how to best manage our busy schedules, but Kendra gives us actually relatable tools, not just like fancy ideas that you can't use.

[Jenna Fischer]

Her book comes out next Tuesday, October 8th. And don't get mad at Kendra. But in reading the plan in advance of it coming out, this was one of the reasons why I called you, Angela, and I said, I think we need an extra week to prep these last few episodes. Because reading this book about how to organize things and get everything done, it also included this perspective and this permission to say, I can't get it all done on this timeline. I need to reorganize.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was so relieved when you called and said that because I was white knuckling it trying to get everything done.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't want to miss anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't either. The finale's too big.

[Jenna Fischer]

And this is a busy time of year.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, it's end of the year. We just had all of like the back to school night stuff. And then it's the holidays.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we have this big work milestone of five years.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, you know, Cassie brought up something so great the other day. She was like, I don't want us to not mark how big this moment is and to take time with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So we know that you all can relate to the stress, but also the excitement of a busy chapter of life. And I think that one of the things we love about Kendra's book is that it's really written with those moments in mind. Those seasons.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. So why don't we take a break and when we come back, we're gonna let Kendra tell you all about her book herself. She's even going to read you the first chapter.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love it. And then we'll be back after the second break to wrap things up.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

You love Cody. Here's what I like about Peloton. I love the variety of training programs because I'm not going to want the same workout that Josh wants. We're super different and Peloton has something for both of us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, there's so many ways to challenge yourself. If you're training for a 5k, a 10k, a marathon, they have programs for strength training. They've got boot camps. Oh my gosh, they have pilates. They have just great stretching.

[Angela Kinsey]

And their coaches are really motivating. They keep you going.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Cassie Jerkins]

Hi there, you're listening to the Lazy Genius podcast. I'm Kendra Adachi and I'm here to help you be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. Today is episode 381, the real reason Planning is Hard. It's not what you think and I'm really excited to bring you into the light of the productivity industrial complex that we are all under. I do promise it's more exciting than that just sounded. The best way for me to explain the real reason planning is hard is using words that I already wrote that were edited many times over and are currently being printed into my new book, the Plan. Manage your time like a lazy genius. We are into compassionate time management around here, but it's not just pep talks and high fives. We love those things too. We are practical and kind, but we're also educated. We are trying to understand why we struggle with time management, why we own so many planners, why we never feel like we're doing enough. And even if we finally have let that go, we still struggle against the tide of everyone else making us feel bad for our choices. Basically, the problem is not you. And today I'm going to show you why by reading you the first chapter in my new book out October 8th, called the Plan. Here it is I Grew up Going to the Mall if you're of an age where you're not sure what a mall is, now is a good time to tell you that I am in perimenopause. I've never downloaded TikTok and I didn't have a cell phone until I was 17. Not because my parents were strict, but because people didn't have them yet. Consider yourself generationally warned. Back to the mall. I loved spending time there as a kid. The mall is where I got my ears pierced, where I awkwardly hung out with a boy I liked, where I ate a truckload of Cinnabons, where I learned to confidently walk past Victoria's Secret without looking or breaking stride. Say you grew up in purity culture without saying you grew up in purity culture. But my favorite thing about the mall was the you are here map. Holy moly. I still love that thing. Not only do you have the stores organized by category on a giant screen, but you also have a beautiful red dot that tells you exactly where you are. Say you're an Enneagram one without saying you're an Enneagram one. You can see everything. And you can see yourself. Chances are you would like that for your life too. Wouldn't it be amazing to see everything at a glance so you can quickly chart a route to an imagined future where life is beautiful and under control? That's probably why you keep buying planners. A planner is the closest thing we have to a you are here map to that bird's eye view you want your day, week, month, quarter, year to do lists, tracking, bubbles, words of gratitude, meal plans, and five year goals, all available at a glance. You get your next new planner and you spend hours setting it up, answering questions about what you want to accomplish and what habits you want to begin, and maybe even trying your hand at a doodle or two. Once you're done, you let out a deep, gratified sigh. There it is. There's everything at once. Life is going to be better now. But then Much to your chagrin, life happens again and you can't keep up with your plan. You manage what you can for as long as you can, biding your time until the next opportunity to reset and see everything at once. The beginning of summer, the school year, January. And you repeat. I bet you've been repeating for a long time, yet you're still drowning. Why? Everything at once is the problem, not the solution. Everything at once is why you push your palms against your eyeballs multiple times a day. Everything at once is why you doom scroll in the bathroom hoping no one notices you're gone. They will. Everything at once is why you listen to an audiobook while cooking dinner, while helping somebody with their homework, while wearing microfiber socks because somebody on the Internet said it was like sweeping. Everything at once is not how we're meant to live. Before you lose hope, let me be the Robin Williams to your Matt Damon and tell you that it's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. You are not the reason you're drowning. You are not the reason everything at once doesn't work. You are not the reason time management principles aren't sticking. The reason is far beyond you. Let's sit, crisscross applesauce and do a little history corner. Okay, Remember the Industrial Revolution? America quickly went from Whoa, coal to OMG gas is amazing to have. You heard about this electricity thing. The west got bigger and better and consequently went cuckoo for productivity. This guy's factory had to be that guy's factory. And he did that by making stuff faster than the other guy did. When the digital revolution happened, it gave us more the computers and AOL Instant Messenger. We were given the promise of more time. Technology would create efficient production for us, freeing us to do other, presumably more enjoyable things. Amazing. However, that digital revolution happened so fast that we never disentangled ourselves from the Industrial Revolution's culture of productivity. Unfortunately for us, that same technology, incidentally, made the productivity obsession worse. It makes me think of that scene in Sabrina when Harrison Ford, Linus and Julia Ormond Sabrina take a helicopter to board a private jet to fly to Martha's Vineyard for the day. Once they're buckled into their plush seats, Linus immediately begins working, looking at nothing but the reports in front of him. Sabrina, frustrated by his indifference to the present moment, asks, don't you ever look out the window? I don't have time. What about all the time we've saved taking the helicopter? He awkwardly pauses. I'm storing it up. No, you're not, she replies. And y'all, we're not either. In fact, the obsession with productivity is so deeply woven into our culture that we live in a productivity industrial complex. Even though I did not thrive in any form of social studies class, allow me to explain what that means. An industrial complex is essentially when an industry is in a feedback loop with some element in society. The public and private sectors become so intertwined that separating them is almost impossible. And that connection is often at odds with what is best for society itself. Let's take weddings as an example. The US wedding industry was worth over $70 billion in 2023, with the average wedding costing just shy of 30 grand. I'm not knocking anyone's choices, and if you want an all out wedding, enjoy it. But what if the wedding industry began pushing the idea that smaller, simpler, less expensive weddings were great, that you didn't need to follow the trends, think about Instagram worthy elements, or be impressive in any way. If that idea took root, people would spend less and the industry would suffer. So even though it might be collectively better for folks to have whatever wedding they like, the wedding industry cannot encourage that. Therefore, we will continue to have magazines, blogs and social media telling us what kind of wedding we should want. That's the wedding industrial complex. Another example is the prison industrial complex. Many are championing reform in the judicial system, which would lead to fewer people in prisons. However, the US prison industry makes over 10 billion a year, and incarcerated individuals in the prison system generate revenue from goods and services on top of that. So even though justice reform and prison reform would be beneficial for society, the prison industrial complex makes them extremely difficult because of how deeply entwined the justice system is with the industry. The same has happened with productivity. The current productivity paradigm of optimization, efficiency and success is so pervasive and so expected that it stands to reason we need resources and structures to uphold that paradigm. The global productivity industry is projected to generate $79 billion in 2024. That's a lot of billions. As long as productivity matters, the marketplace will thrive. And as long as the marketplace thrives, productivity will remain. In the cultural conversation, the snake just eats its tail while also becoming very rich. And that snake does not want you to be content with your life. That snake wants you to keep trying and striving and planning and dreaming and wondering if any of it is working. That snake wants you to, as the horrible saying goes, rest when you're dead, because when you keep going, you spend money and you keep the industry going too. As my friend and New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan once said to me, contentment doesn't stimulate economic activity. In short, your preoccupation with productivity to whatever level is not your fault. It was built into the system long before you were flipping through your first planner. And that's not the only thing that's built into the system. Now it's time for women's History Corner. White women couldn't vote until 1920. Black women couldn't vote until 1965. Women could legally be fired for being pregnant until 1978. Women still get paid less than men for the same jobs. Oh, fun. We can throw a little implicit patriarchy into the productivity industrial complex. Essentially, women are in a white man made world that's supported by white men's rules for the benefit of white men. And we haven't had a voice for long enough to see many tangible results of being heard. Now, exceptions exist everywhere, but generally speaking, men aren't expected to make every meal, do all the laundry, remember every birthday, get their body back, stay at home for the sake of the kids, or have kids at all. They're not shamed for being single. They don't worry about going for a run at night or automatically walk through a parking deck with their keys between their fingers. Men don't daily exist with the weariness and injustice of not being listened to in a male dominated field. They aren't the ones to leave work to get a sick kid from school. Men typically do not take it upon themselves to remember every detail of a home's invisible ecosystem. Men aren't told to smile, calm down, clean up, or get in line. Men don't bleed every 28 days. Do you see the disparity here? The productivity industry makes a ton of money teaching us to produce, all within a culture that holds us to a startlingly high standard of what a woman's production should be. We have no choice but to live according to the rules and strategies written by and for men. It's exhausting and it's time for another way. And that completes the first chapter of the Planet. I didn't mean for this to be like so much of a tease. You know, like. Like a dramatic movie trailer that is the end of chapter one, but the rest of the book completely lays out that other way. It is full of helpful principles to change how you think, actionable strategies that you can use in your planning. Literally right now. And then a whole section of labeled pep talks for when you need a reminder about what matters. The real reason planning is hard has nothing to do with you y'all. So let's make it easier. Let's make it about the right things. Compassion, contentment, good practices we can use today, and kindness when our well laid plans don't work out. Plus again, lots of actionable real life help. I cannot wait for you to read it now. If you've already ordered the book, don't forget to register your pre order with Team LG at the lazygenius collective.com theplan when you do that, you get access to a weekly pep talk in both written and audio form delivered to you every single Monday for the rest of 2024. I am writing them as life happens around us, so hopefully all of them will feel wildly seasonal and relevant to whatever you're dealing with. I can't wait for you to start experiencing them while you wait for the book to release. So register your pre order@thelazygenius collective.com the Plan.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, you're listening to two former party planning Committee members.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what the one thing the Party Planning Committee never planned?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

A wedding.

[Jenna Fischer]

We did not.

[Angela Kinsey]

Could you imagine Phyllis, Angela, Pam and Meredith planning your wedding?

[Jenna Fischer]

I would not want them to plan my wedding. But you know who I would like to help plan my wedding?

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

That is my favorite thing. It makes December so much more pleasurable to me when I can get my gifts out of the way.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

This month is all about gratitude. And, you know, sometimes there's one person that we just don't thank enough, and that's ourselves. Because sometimes it's hard to remind ourselves that we are trying our best to make sense of everything in this crazy world. And it just. It's not easy.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not. It's a lot to hold.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Ah. So we hope you enjoyed that. Everybody, listen. We just really want Kendra's book to be a bestseller because, well, we think it deserves it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Preorders are a big way to make that happen.

[Angela Kinsey]

I will definitely put a link in our office ladies podcast stories so you guys know exactly how to get Kendra's book. The plan.

[Jenna Fischer]

And definitely, Definitely go to thelazygeniuscollective.com theplan to register your preorder, because then you get her pep talks.

[Angela Kinsey]

We are loving the pep talks.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love the pep talks in the book.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

I want a pep talk every week from Kendra as I finish off this year. I really do.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, I'm also subscribed to Kendra's newsletter.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me too.

[Jenna Fischer]

They are so funny. Angela. She is so funny, and she's a big reader like me. And I want to tell you something.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

There is a book that I read because Kendra featured it in her newsletter.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was a real departure for you, if I remember.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was a fantasy novel. It has dragons in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You had to learn about new worlds and new rules.

[Jenna Fischer]

I really did. Here's what happened. Okay. So my friend Adrian sent me this book. It's called the Fourth Wing. She sent it to me. I didn't read it. I love Adrian.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was going to say, she knows.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't like fantasy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Adrian now knows that you're like, thanks. Set aside.

[Jenna Fischer]

We would text about it. She loves fantasy novels. And she was like, I know you say you don't like these books. I'm sending it to you. I'm sending you my Copy. Because I so believe you're going to love it. Didn't read it then Lee bought it for me for Christmas.

[Angela Kinsey]

You now have two copies of this book?

[Jenna Fischer]

I have two copies. I had two copies. Every Christmas, Lee looks for books that are maybe something outside of what I would normally read. I love this tradition. This was one of the books he gave me for Christmas, so now I have two copies of it. Still didn't read it, but this will let you know how much I trust Kendra. She wrote about this book in her newsletter, so I broke down. I read it, Angela. It was one of my favorite books of the year.

[Angela Kinsey]

Should I read it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, you have an extra copy?

[Jenna Fischer]

I sure do. I'll give it to you. So it's about, like, this world, you know?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, you had me at dragons.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And there's this gal, and she has to go to this military training, and not everybody lives through the training, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

She wanted to be part of the library system where they document things. She loves to document things. But her mother is forcing her to go into the military. And the point of it is, you eventually get matched with a dragon, and then you become a fighter. It's like you're a fighter pilot, but your plane is a dragon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, honey, you don't have to break down to me how a dragon can be your plane. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't. No, because there's a whole show about dragons.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lots of dragons.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right. Do people ride them?

[Cassie Jerkins]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they go into battle on their dragons.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, this book is also very socksy.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's socksy.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's soxy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, there's. There's happening.

[Jenna Fischer]

Everybody at the academy is hot, and they all hook up with each other all the time. It's how they blow off steam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, so it is a sexy, like, hold my dragon. Yeah, exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's what she said. Sorry, I had to.

[Kendra Adachi]

Jenna, I have a question. What do you think House of Dragon is about if they're not riding them?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I thought.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a good question, Sam.

[Jenna Fischer]

I thought that, you know, in. What was the other show called?

[Angela Kinsey]

Game of Thrones?

[Cassie Jerkins]

What was the other Lord.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't. I can't with you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Game of Thrones, it was mostly about just hatching and having the dragons.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, it wasn't.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't remember any.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not mostly about.

[Kendra Adachi]

You don't remember anyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

How about Winter is Coming? How about, like, the hordes of, like, the Walking dead are coming to kill.

[Kendra Adachi]

Everyone riding in the dragon?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. No, I didn't. This is what I'm saying. I'm saying the dragon storyline of Game of Thrones, the majority of that storyline was simply about the eggs and the hatching and then the halving of them and the protecting of them.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're reawakened. One lady. Several people ride dragons in Game of Thrones.

[Jenna Fischer]

But is it later in the series? Because I'm talking about my experience.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, sorry.

[Cassie Jerkins]

Oh, wait. I'm sorry.

[Kendra Adachi]

Oh, yeah. If you only watch the first three episodes, I suppose it is only about the babies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly. I'm sorry. I know what's happened here. I've just been John Wicked again. She's watched the first 15 minutes of something and then is like. It's about the hatching. It's. Yeah.

[Kendra Adachi]

New question. How much Game of Thrones have you seen?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. I think I made it through a good portion of the first season.

[Angela Kinsey]

And what is this, like, 10 minutes an episode?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, the guy who. The young blonde guy became King Joffrey. Yeah. He decapitated the man that I was loving to follow.

[Angela Kinsey]

The main guy, Sean. What's his name? Sean.

[Jenna Fischer]

The daughter saw it. No, she didn't see it. People wouldn't let her see it. But it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, his head was on a spike for weeks. I think she eventually saw it.

[Kendra Adachi]

Ned Stark?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Ned Stark.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. I was a real big fan of the Stark family. And when they decapitated the patriarch of.

[Kendra Adachi]

That family, that's when you gave up.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, wait, there was. This is really. When they lost me was that there was a whole new land that was introduced. Remember when the woman started being like Red and. Do you remember?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Game of Thrones is constantly introducing new land and new people.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. They sailed there and then she had. There were visions, I think.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. She's kind of a witch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. I was out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

How far did I get? How far is that. Is that season two?

[Kendra Adachi]

That's two out of ten. Maybe you've seen an eighth of the show.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did I make it to season two? Yes, I did.

[Kendra Adachi]

I think so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there you go. I'm gonna let you know.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's not so bad.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, let me tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

But I'll tell you, in those episodes, I don't remember anybody flying on a dragon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Melisandre, you made it to. Oh, my God. How do I find that out? Sam?

[Jenna Fischer]

Jenna, if it makes you feel better, I've never seen Game of Thrones. It does make me feel better. Cassie. It does.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cassie, what the hell?

[Jenna Fischer]

It does make me feel better.

[Angela Kinsey]

I tried to watch the pilot twice.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it just was so unsettling. Too many names. Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a lot of names and I love that. I love it. Cassie, first of her name. Lover of cats, Grower of plants.

[Jenna Fischer]

Shower of plants. Shower of plants.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cassie's plants show.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, nicely done.

[Kendra Adachi]

Yeah, she shows up in season two. So you did. You made it to two seasons out of.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, well, anyway, yeah, House of Dragons is about dragons. They're a big part of it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Obviously they're in the title. What I'm saying is I did not know that riding on the dragons was a thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

House of Dragons, you know what? They just kind of meander on the field by the castle.

[Kendra Adachi]

They reference the dragons.

[Jenna Fischer]

How about it? Obviously, the dragons are gonna fly. I didn't know they had people on them. Okay, okay, that's fair.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's fair. It's fair.

[Kendra Adachi]

No, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sam's not having it. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's another story I was not expecting to tell today. Well, listen everybody, we love you so much. We will see you next week for AARM Part one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bye.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to awful. Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins. Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubico.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese. Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Kendra Adachi]

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