Peacock Superfan: The Fire

Summary

Office Ladies Podcast Summary: Episode "Peacock Superfan: The Fire"

Introduction

In the March 12, 2025 release of the Office Ladies podcast, hosts Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey dive deep into the Peacock Superfan episode titled "The Fire," which is season two, episode four of The Office. Co-stars and best friends bring their unique behind-the-scenes insights and personal anecdotes to enrich the fan experience.

Episode Breakdown

“The Fire” revolves around the notorious fire incident at Dunder Mifflin’s Scranton branch, leading to a mix of chaos and character development. Jenna and Angela meticulously dissect pivotal scenes, exploring both on-screen events and off-camera stories that add depth to the beloved characters.

Behind the Scenes Insights

Angela shares a memorable conversation with director Ken Kwapus, emphasizing the physical challenges faced during the filming due to extreme heat. “[00:43:39] Angela Kinsey: The most significant thing that he remembers about this episode was the heat. He spent every day thinking he was going to faint.” This insight highlights the dedication of the crew and the demanding environment under which the episode was crafted.

Additionally, Jenna reveals collaboration with Kent Sibornak, aka Kentopedia, who provided exclusive tidbits about production elements such as the expensive fire trucks rented for $5,000 each and the decision to use silks to mitigate the intense August heat. “[00:46:09] Jenna Fischer: Kent said they rented them. Oh, they cost $5,000 for each one, I think, total.”

Interactive Trivia Game

A significant portion of the episode focuses on an engaging office trivia game hosted by Jenna and Angela, involving participants Sam and Cassie. The game is divided into categories based on seasons, adding a playful yet competitive element to the discussion.

Angela introduces the game: “[02:30] Angela Kinsey: Our top of show share is a belated thank you... We have a game of ‘All About the Office,’ the ultimate trivia game.” Notable moments include questions about specific episodes and character actions, fostering a fun and interactive atmosphere for listeners.

Notable Quotes and Highlights

• Angela on Ken Kwapus: “[02:21] Angela Kinsey: If you need to call someone who instantly makes you feel like everything in the world's gonna be okay, it's Ken Kwapus.”

• Jenna on Bilt Points: “[00:24] Jenna Fischer: If you're not earning points on rent, my question is, why not start earning points on rent you're already paying by going to joinbuilt.com officeladies.”

• Michael’s Yoda Impression: “[20:34] Jenna Fischer: ‘Much advice you seek.’ That is pretty good.”

• Jim’s Contemplation on Business School: “[32:29] Angela Kinsey: There's some great articles about it. I'll share it in our stories.”

Character Development and Plot Insights

Jenna and Angela delve into character motivations and interactions, particularly focusing on the dynamics between Jim, Pam, Ryan, and Dwight. They discuss Jim’s internal conflict regarding his friendship with Toby and his feelings towards his new relationship with Katie. “[38:13] Angela Kinsey: You're changing the rules, but okay. Guess that's how it goes.”

The hosts also explore Dwight’s jealousy over Ryan receiving mentorship from Michael, highlighting Dwight’s insecurities and his unwavering loyalty. “[27:16] Angela Kinsey: And then Dwight’s like, maybe you need to ask for an extension.”

Deleted Scenes and Additional Content

The Superfan episode includes previously cut scenes, such as Jim noticing Pam’s guarded behavior post-Katie’s phone call and Kevin’s uncontrollable giggles while counting. These additions provide a fuller picture of office life and character quirks that fans cherish. “[25:59] Angela Kinsey: It says 70s and clear. And he goes, that's nice. Where is it?”

Fan Interaction and Mail Shares

Jenna and Angela express heartfelt gratitude towards their listeners, sharing personal stories and fan mail that have touched them deeply. Jenna recounts receiving supportive letters after her breast cancer diagnosis, emphasizing the strong community built around the podcast. “[04:09] Angela Kinsey: So much mail, you guys.”

They also showcase handmade gifts from fans, such as stained glass pieces and hand-stitched tea towels, adding a personal and emotional layer to the podcast experience. “[05:05] Jenna Fischer: Here's how she addressed her letter with her tea towel... ‘The office ladies.’”

Trivia and Quizzes

Throughout the episode, multiple trivia rounds test the hosts' and guests' knowledge of The Office, featuring questions about specific episodes, character actions, and iconic moments. These segments are both entertaining and informative, keeping listeners engaged and testing their own fandom.

Example Quiz Question:

• “[11:00] Angela Kinsey: Question number one. In the women's appreciation episode, who was flashed in the office parking lot?”
  • Jenna: “Phyllis.” ([11:11])

Production Challenges and Anecdotes

Jenna and Angela discuss the logistical challenges faced during filming, such as managing the intense heat with silks and the noise interference caused by the tarps used to shield the parking lot from the sun. These behind-the-scenes stories offer fans a glimpse into the complexities of producing The Office. “[46:09] Jenna Fischer: ...they rented them. Oh, they cost $5,000 for each one, I think, total.”

Character Talk Heads

The inclusion of talking heads—characters breaking the fourth wall to share their thoughts—adds depth to the Superfan episodes. Angela highlights Michael’s evolving mentorship role and Dwight’s perspective on his relationship with Michael. “[41:49] Angela Kinsey: We've got one from Dwight, we've got one from Angela, and we've got Jim and Pam.”

Closing Thoughts and Future Episodes

As the episode wraps up, Jenna and Angela reflect on their experiences revisiting the episode and interacting with fans. They tease future content, including potential movie breakdowns inspired by listeners’ desert island picks, and share exciting news about collaborators like Ken Kwapus directing a Malcolm in the Middle reboot.

Conclusion

The Office Ladies episode "Peacock Superfan: The Fire" offers an in-depth exploration of one of The Office’s most memorable episodes. Through engaging trivia games, heartfelt fan interactions, and exclusive behind-the-scenes insights, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey provide a rich and entertaining experience for both long-time fans and newcomers alike.

Notable Quotes:

• Ken Kwapus on Heat Challenges: “[00:43:39] Angela Kinsey: ...it was record breaking heat wave. And I was like, oh, no, it was triple digits.”

• Jenna on Michael’s Mentorship: “[30:31] Angela Kinsey: And then... I actually want to give him helpful information.”

• Angela on Simplisafe Sponsorship: “[51:21] Angela Kinsey: So you guys know I use Simplisafe... simplisafe.com officeladies.”

Timestamps:

• [02:07] Episode Introduction
• [16:22] Breakdown of "The Fire" Episode
• [21:00] Michael’s Yoda Impression
• [36:05] Stanley Takes Charge in Trivia
• [51:07] SimpliSafe Advertisement
• [61:00] Historical Tidbits on Eating Shoes
• [73:57] Roy’s Introduction and Interaction
• [84:00] Final Trivia Round and Conclusion

This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of the Office Ladies podcast episode, highlighting key discussions, memorable quotes, and insightful analyses that enhance the fandom experience.

Transcript

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Each week, we will dive deeper into the world of the Office with exclusive interviews, behind the scenes details, and lots of BFF stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office Lady 6.0. Hello, everyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hi there.

[Jenna Fischer]

What are we doing today? We're breaking down another Peacock Superfan episode today.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. It's season two, episode four. Written by BJ Novak, directed by Ken Kwapas. It's the fire.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, I understand you spoke to Ken Kwapus a little about this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did. I just want you all to know that if you need to call someone who instantly makes you feel like everything in the world's gonna be okay, it's Ken Kwapus.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is so true.

[Angela Kinsey]

His voice just immediately, it's like a hug.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, he's Like a giant walking warm hug. Well, everyone, we skipped this episode when we did our second drinks. And the Peacock Superfan episode has about 10 minutes of added material. And we know this is a fan favorite episode. And, you know, Dave Rogers interview got me really excited about these Peacock Superfan episodes. I had not watched them before. We watched the Hot Girl Superfan. And then talking to Dave, I was like, okay, I'm in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, you just hear the care that he's really putting into them, and so I'm excited to see his work.

[Jenna Fischer]

Same. And there are also a lot of things that we did not cover the first time we broke this down. I'm noticing as we're going through these with our second drinks that our breakdowns are very, very good. But for example, around this time, I didn't have any Kentopedia facts.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this time I reached out to Kent Sibornak and he gave me a few good tidbits from the production side of things.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, in the early days of the podcast, we were still figuring out what is this podcast? How do we share this information? And I think we got better at at just researching and digging and finding new information as we went.

[Jenna Fischer]

I agree. But before we break down this episode, we've got some tapas show shares for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And my top of show share is a belated thank you. We have received just some of the loveliest things from you all.

[Angela Kinsey]

So much mail.

[Jenna Fischer]

So much mail, you guys. I mean, on a personal note, your cards to me after the announcement of my breast cancer diagnosis have absolutely meant the world to me. I mean, just the kindness, the care, the specificity. I just appreciated all of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And also in going through our mail, there are some items that just really have stood out to us that we have used in our new workspace.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. You all are making our workspace feel so warm and more personal. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I wanted to share about two things, and we're going to do this more often.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Because we are finally having the opportunity to go through this mail. It's so moving. It's like what Jenna said. It's the care that you're putting into what you send us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So here are the two things I wanted to shout out today. First of all, Kaitlyn made these beautiful stained glass pieces for us.

[Angela Kinsey]

So pretty.

[Jenna Fischer]

She made a loaf of bread for me. She made a hummingbird for Angela. But then she made us one that is an office theme with a teapot and a beat and a stapler in jello in stained glass. Everybody, we have Hung them on the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Windows in the office.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And the light comes through them and they reflect all this beautiful light and it's. I can't believe. Like, how do you even make that?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. I don't know. But beautiful. Beautiful. And then we also got just the sweetest hand stitched tea towel, you know, that you would like wipe your hands on after you wash your hands. A kitchen towel.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Stitched with office ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

It reminds me of the kind of gifts like my aunt would do, like she would make little things like that for us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it is from Harper and Angela. Here is her letter. First of all, here's how she addressed her letter with her tea towel which we have put in our kitchen here. By the way, it says Jenna and Angela, Pam and Angela, lady and Lady, Beasley and Martin, Pamelama, Ding Dong and Booster Seat Debutante and Voodoo Mama, Juju, Pammy and Monkey. The office ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow, that's awesome.

[Jenna Fischer]

So thorough.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is like our Game of Thrones like title. Like first of her name. Yes, Yes, I love it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here is what Harper said a little about me. For the last six and a half years, I have been living and serving at an orphanage in Guatemala, being supported by friends, family and my church in Florida. It's been an experience I cannot put into words. I'm just so grateful to be a small part of a ministry changing lives for a few kids here in Guatemala. As a fundraiser, I hand, design, draw and stitch these custom towels for anyone who would want to support mission work. I wanted to send one to some of my favorite ladies as a gift to you both. Harper went on to say I was born with a rare skin condition. For reference, I often compare myself to a chocolate chip cookie. I'm covered head to toe in large freckles. This condition led to a lot of bullying, name calling, and made me feel very lonely throughout most of my life. The office was one of those things I could hold onto tight to bring me joy during those moments. I had a heavy backpack in middle school, high school and my early adult life. Thank you, Angela, Jenna and the entire office cast and crew for impacting at least one life. I'm sure I'm not alone. And then Harper said, P.S. i've binged season one and two while stitching this towel. And I can remember Angela deep diving a certain museum in Iceland while I was working on the design.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep, we have to go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jenna, we have to go. Harper, thank you so much. Yes, immediately when I opened your package, I could really see the love and care that went into the stitching, and it's beautiful. And we thank you so much. And thank you, Caitlin, as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Hearing from you all, it's really just such a bright spot in our lives reading your stories, and we just thank you. Well, you know, my top of Chaucher was inspired by this episode. It's one of the main storylines. It's when Jim is trying to get all the Dunder Mifflin employees to play games while they're. While they wait in the parking lot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're bored. He's entertaining everyone. Well, my friend Betsy, as a gift, gave me a game called all about the Office. And it's an office trivia game. And I thought for sure I would just be, like, a pro at it, but I'm not so sure. It's divided into categories, like seasons one through three, seasons four through six, and I thought if you guys are up for it throughout this episode, we could play this quiz game.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love this. You told me this idea, and I promptly went out and bought us buzzers, everybody.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not just buzzers, though. You have to tell them what makes them special.

[Jenna Fischer]

Each buzzer makes a different sound, so our listeners will really know who came in first with the buzz.

[Angela Kinsey]

So, wait, should we each pick our buzzer sound?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sam and Cassie should go first.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, they're different colors, and they all make a different sound. So what color do you guys want?

[Angela Kinsey]

You have a choice of orange, green, blue, or purple.

[C]

I want pink. I want purple.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, this is your sound then, Sam. Okay, Cassie, I'll take green. Green. You are this. Ange, what do you want?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll go blue.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. That's you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

And that leaves me with orange, which is ding dong.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here's the thing, you guys, with the trivia cards, the answer is listed right below the question. So I think we each have to take turns being the person that asked the question for it to be fair. Does that make sense?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So why don't we do four rounds? We can spread it out throughout the episode. And why don't you be the asker first?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, I will be the asker. Do you have your buzzers ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[C]

Buzzers ready.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm going to ask four questions from the teapot category, which is seasons one through three. Okay. Teapot category. Well, hey, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to all about the Office, the ultimate trivia game. Are you ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. I have my buzzer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Question number one. In the women's appreciation episode, who was flashed in the office parking lot? Jenna. I heard ding dong first.

[Jenna Fischer]

Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is correct.

[C]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

One point For Jenna. Okay, in the business school episode, Dwight caught a bat by trapping it in a bag. On whose head? Cassie, I heard yours first.

[D]

Meredith.

[Angela Kinsey]

1.4. Cassie. That is correct. Oh, this is the fire.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

In the fire episode, what three books did Angela say she would bring on a desert island?

[Jenna Fischer]

She would bring the Bible. She would bring the Da Vinci Code. So she can burn the Da Vinci Code. And she would bring.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just watched this. Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

She would bring a purpose driven life. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, two points, Jenna. Very nice. All right, let's see.

[Jenna Fischer]

Last question for this round. It's two for Jenna, one for Cassie.

[D]

You can do it, Sam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here we go. Here we go. In the hot girl episode, what product did the vendor Katie want to sell in the conference room? Sam?

[C]

Nope. That was Cassie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Cassie. Luxury bags, handbags. Will we allow it?

[Jenna Fischer]

We allow it.

[Angela Kinsey]

We allow it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, very good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Current score is Jenna 2, Cassie 2, me and Sam 0.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you didn't get a chance to answer, Ang. I will ask the next round.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, great.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, let's take a break because when we come back, we're going to dive into this superfan episode. Foreign.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

We are back, and the Superfan episode for a good little while is pretty much the same. We open on the phone ringing at reception. Pam answers, and she forwards a call to Jim's desk.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's Katie.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's Katie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Jim shares. They've been out a few times. You know that she makes him laugh and he thinks she's cute. And then Pam says to Jim, you know, you can just give her your extension.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. She's like, I don't want to talk to that bitch anymore.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fan theory that we did not discuss the first time, there's a lot of chatter of people thinking that maybe Jim purposely wanted Katie to call him at.

[Angela Kinsey]

Work through Pam to make Pam jealous.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe. Well, when I was looking at the shooting draft, there was a little bit of, like, a topper to this scene before the phone rings at reception where Jim was gonna be on the phone with Katie at his desk, on his cell phone. On his cell phone. And he would say, oh, my battery's dying. Call me back at work. And then she calls reception that got clipped off.

[Angela Kinsey]

So that would explain why she's not calling his cell phone. Yeah, but is he intentionally doing it, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Is he pretending like his cell phone is dying? Cause he. I don't think so.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't think he's pretending. I think if anyone in this episode does something a little bit manipulative out of jealousy, it's Pam at the end. We'll get to it.

[Jenna Fischer]

We'll get to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now, the show starts with a scene with Ryan in Michael's office. And basically what we find out is that Ryan needs an evaluation. He's got, like, this form, and Michael is not taking it seriously at all. It's for the temp agency, you know, to see how Ryan's doing in his position. Michael says, howard, Ryan. Ryan Howard is sitting in my office, and he has been a temp here for a couple of months, and he's kind of gotten the lay of the land a little bit. Had a few laughs along the way, and now he wants to know what I think. And Ryan says, the temp agency wants to know what you think. And Michael goes, shall we? Let us proceed. First up, proficiency and necessary skills. And Michael goes, excellent. And then starts laughing. So the scene ends there in the original broadcast, but in the Superfan episode, it continues. And, Jenna, there's a little bit of Michael mangling phrases for you to add to your list. Ooh, let's hear it. Thank you.

[E]

Oh, bad. I saw the sweat beating. Okay, let's get serious. Work ethic. Not too shabby.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not too shabby.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[F]

It's excellent.

[Angela Kinsey]

Satisfactory.

[E]

Needs improvement or not applicable or not too shabby. That's right. Well, there's actually a separate place for comments. I know, I know. I'll. Okay. At the bottom. It was fine.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[E]

Excellent. Social integration. That's not applicable.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Social interaction, probably.

[Jenna Fischer]

Social integration.

[Angela Kinsey]

Integration, not whatever Michael said.

[Jenna Fischer]

He also says applicable on whatever. Yes. Not applicable.

[Angela Kinsey]

And poor Ryan, he wants to just keep writing his own box that says not too shabby.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. As part of this interview, Michael's gonna ask Ryan what he wants to be doing in five years.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Ryan is gonna reveal, oh, I wanna have my own company one day. I wanna own my own company.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Michael is like, don't be ridiculous. Yeah. Ryan is like, I'm serious. I'm going to business school. I wanna do this. And for whatever reason, Michael now is going to decide that he is going to mentor Ryan. He's going to mentor him to success.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is his new goal in life.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You know, Michael sort of says, I'm kind of like a combo of Mr. Miyagi and Yoda. And then Michael does his impression of Yoda. And we did not discuss this last time. And I think it's a decent impression, and I think we should hear it rolled into one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Much advice you seek.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's pretty good. Much advice you seek.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this was in the original episode, this impression of Yoda, but in this rewatch of it, now that we've watched the whole series, it is really taking on a new meaning for me because his Yoda voice is such a miss in bonding with Ryan. But later, it is the thing that will lead to love with Hollywood. So he's had this Yoda voice for.

[Angela Kinsey]

All these years, and he just needed the person who appreciated it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me and Holly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, in honor of Michael's Yoda voice, I should have told you guys that there is a prize for our quiz. Oh, yeah. And guess what? It's like, you know, when the bag is also a gift. So not only what's inside is a gift, but also the thing holding the gift is a gift.

[C]

So humble. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Your favorite things.

[Angela Kinsey]

One of my favorite things. Like, I like the basket as much as what's in the basket.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, in honor of Michael's Yoda.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. It's a Star wars bag. And what is in it? We don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a surprise.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Or should I say surprise? Who? I shall.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, when we broke down this episode the first time, we were very fixated on the green Magic 8 ball on Michael's desk. Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

We wondered, what is it? Where can you get it? Well, I went back to your amazing Instagram post for the fire, and I looked through all the comments and feedback from fans.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did people know?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Ah, yes. Dusty R, Alec t and Eddy Dell 14 all commented that the Magic 8 Ball is called the Financial Advisor. Oh, the financial advisor magic8ball has hot tips to put you on the road to financial Success.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hot tips?

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Stocks, bonds, commodities, mutual funds, SEP IRAs. Confusing with the Financial advisor. Sound financial device is always at your fingertips, and it is the answer to all your money troubles. Doesn't it make so much sense? Like, later we're going to find out that Michael was going to go to business school, but he lost all his money in a pyramid scheme. Isn't this exactly the person who would get financial advice from a Magic 8 Ball. Financial advisor ball. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, that tracks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, while I was Googling Green Magic 8 Ball, I found a Green Magic 8 Ball necklace. It is this yellow gold orb on a chain and it looks like a Magic 8 ball. It is set with diamonds and green enamel and it is available for $26,800.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, it's pre order only though, and it takes about two to three months to be made. It also comes in purple or white. The white one is only $22,480.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

So if you are a person who really more money than you know what.

[Angela Kinsey]

To do with and you want to buy a Magic 8 Ball necklace, we'll.

[Jenna Fischer]

Put a link in stories.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there is a second part to this moment of Yoda where Michael does his impression and he says to Ryan, do you know who that is? And Ryan says, fozzie Bear. Now we have a Michael talking head. That's only in the superfan episode. It's not in the original where Michael says fozzie Bear. Who could Fozzie Bear possibly mentor? Gonzo animal Rolf. Oh, Ryan has a lot to learn. I was really curious about this talking head, so I found some candy bag alts for these Michael talking heads where he wants to mentor Ryan. And I want to read you one because it is so funny. Do you know how much I would have killed to be sitting across from someone like me? The ironic thing is that he envies me. Ryan envies me because I know much more than he does. But I envy Ryan because I know what he's about to know and it's awesome. Freaking awesome. I envy Ryan because I wish I had the chance to learn what I already know for the first time.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that talking head. Well, now we're going to have two little slice of life moments that were added to the superfan episode. They're very quiet. They are wonderful. I loved seeing them added back in. The first one is Jim going over to I couldn't tell the shredder, some sort of filing something by Pam's reception desk. And he looks over her shoulder and sees the weather report.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. It says 70s and clear. And he goes, that's nice. Where is it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And Pam's like, that's here.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's like, hmm.

[Jenna Fischer]

But Pam is not engaging him the way she normally would. Like normally we know that that little thing would lead to some flirty banter.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

But Pam's got a wall up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

Since the Katie phone call. And then we go over to accounting and Kevin is just. He's Counting out loud.

[Angela Kinsey]

He starts with the number 63. That's where we pick up.

[Jenna Fischer]

And when he gets to 69, he just giggles. He can't help himself.

[Angela Kinsey]

He can't. And it literally is the bane of Angela's existence.

[Jenna Fischer]

And you just see her scowling at him, but that's it. And I loved these. They don't really further the plot, but they're the little office slice of life that we had to cut out when we could only make a 21 minute episode, but that the super fan gets to breathe and enjoy. So I loved those.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me too. Well, now Michael is going to outline the 10 rules of business for Ryan and he can only come up with one on the spot. Why does he do this to himself? He's made this big statement that he's going to share this wisdom with Ryan. And then he stresses out the rest of the day because he can only think of one. Then he says, you know what, Ryan? I'll tell you the rest after lunch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, the one piece of advice he has so far is you have to play to win, but you have to win to play. Yeah, chew on that. You have to win to play.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hmm. How's that work? Now we're gonna have a Dwight talking head. And we should mention that this whole time Dwight has been clocking all of this attention that Michael is giving Ryan and he is getting jealous.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's really bummed out. He's wanted to be evaluated by Michael for years.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And he says his relationship with Michael is special. It's like Batman and Robin, the Lone Ranger and Tonto. It's not like there was some third guy named Bonto.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

This third guy, this third wheel, Really a thorn in his side.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Dwight is gonna approach Ryan in the kitchen and try to bond with him.

[Angela Kinsey]

He is. And this is where I would like to give Dwight a Dundee for crappiest at small. I really think we should hear it.

[F]

Hey, how's it going, man?

[Jenna Fischer]

Good.

[F]

What's up? Oh, nothing much. What's up with you?

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm good, thanks.

[F]

Good, good. I'm good too. How's it cracking? Fine.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's up?

[F]

You know what you would love? Guns N Roses. When I was your age, I loved Guns. Guns n Roses. Do you like Guns n Roses? I'll make you a tape. I'll make you two tapes. I don't have a tape player. Someday, temp, I've got a couple of shirts that don't fit so well anymore. I'll bring them by, okay?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. I have to give people a visual to go along with this, because this is a super fan scene. And the way Rain as Dwight is standing is so amazing. He's kind of cornered Ryan up against the kitchen counter.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, yeah, like, Ryan has some business at the counter, but then Dwight's, like, looming behind him.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's really in his personal space. He's close, talking. Like, Ryan can only turn around, and then he can't turn back around. Cause he's. His space has been made so, so small for this conversation. That was my favorite part of the scene was just the spatial relationship between these two actors and the way you can just see Ryan kind of dying a slow death inside during this conversation.

[Angela Kinsey]

My favorite part of it was also the pat on the back at the end. He's like, I have old shirts. I'll bring you some. And then he's like. He does this pat, but sort of like hesitantly, like, patience. Pat, pat, pat. Like, so awkward.

[Jenna Fischer]

So awkward. So now we go back to Michael's office. Dwight is in there with him because Michael has to come up with all these 10 rules. So he's asked Dwight to help him.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Dwight is like, yeah, let's do it. Except that Dwight's versions are always, like, a bit too much.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here are the two rules we get out of this think tank. Here are your gems. Rule 3. By the way, we've skipped Rule 2. Rule 3 is Reach for the stars. If you fail, see Rule 4. And Rule 4 is failure is not an option. That's all we have.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Dwight's like, and then at the end, you will reveal that they were all one rule. And Michael's like, no, Dwight, I'm not trying to trick him. I actually want to give him helpful information.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And then Dwight is like, maybe you need to ask for an extension.

[Angela Kinsey]

That really made me laugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael's like, I'm not going to ask him for an extension unless I really need it.

[Angela Kinsey]

That really made me laugh. Just the thought of going to the temp and saying, can I get an extension on my rules of business for you? And then in the Superfan episode, there is a new Dwight talking head, and you can just tell he is just not happy about Ryan. He says, you know, Michael and I have a special connection, kind of like an umbilical cord. And he really doesn't want to see Ryan get tripped up in the umbilical cord or maybe with it caught around his neck.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Well, now the fire alarm goes off.

[Angela Kinsey]

Angela and Dwight go into action. We talked about this last time, Jenna when we first broke down this episode, you asked me if I had improvised anything during the scene, and I was pretty sure I had improvised arms at your side, because that's such a ridiculous thing to say. But we didn't have the shooting draft, so I couldn't double check that. Well, now we do, and I was able to go and check it, and I did. I improvised arms at your side and your safety partner. Those were my big improv moments.

[Jenna Fischer]

In this scene, during the evacuation, Michael is going to push ahead of everyone and flee very quickly. He's the first one out the door.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, he's the captain of the ship.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. He has a talking head where he explains why he needed to be the first one out. And I think we should hear it.

[E]

Yes, I was the first one out. A captain is always the first one on the ship.

[F]

Ship.

[E]

And the last one off the ship. And this parking lot is our ship when the building is on fire. So I ran out onto the ship. And yes, I've heard women and children first, but we do not employ children. We are not a sweatshop, thankfully. And. And women are equal in the workplace by law. So I let them out first. I have a lawsuit on my hands.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Ange?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

This moment made me think of this movie called Force Majeure. Have you seen it, Cassie? Sam, have you seen Force Majeure?

[Angela Kinsey]

I have not.

[D]

No.

[C]

Haven't heard of it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Very excited to. Highly recommend. This is a movie that was written and directed by Ruben Osland. It is about a family.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a foreign film. It's in French and Swedish and English. This family is skiing in the French Alps, and they're at lunch. They're kind of on the patio at their ski resort, when all of a sudden you hear this big boom on the mountain sort of nearby.

[Angela Kinsey]

Avalanche.

[Jenna Fischer]

Avalanche. You see the snow coming down the hill, and it's coming toward this outdoor patio that they're seated. The dad gets up and flees. He's Michael. He runs indoors to safety. The mom only has time to, like, throw her body over her two kids. They get covered in snow. It's terrifying. In the end, everyone is fine. No one gets hurt.

[Angela Kinsey]

But she's like, you left us. Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

The whole rest of the movie is just the aftermath of the fact that this woman is realizing that her husband and partner fled during an emergency. It is amazing. It was nominated for best Foreign Language film at the Golden Globes. They did an American remake with Will Ferrell and Julia Louis Dreyfus called Downhill. We actually talked with Will about filming his version. Downhill is more comedic than the original, but this is one of my favorite movies. It is riveting. It is riveting. Isn't that such a good in for a story? Yeah, like, the dad is just, like, going on. It's like they're not talking about what happened that evening. They have some friends come over. They have a bunch of wine, and then the woman drunkenly tells the story. She's like, I've got a story for ya.

[Angela Kinsey]

And everyone is like, what the hell?

[Jenna Fischer]

It all unravels. It's delicious. Everyone please enjoy force majeure. But that's what that talking head made me think of.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Cause he's out. Out of there.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's out of there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now everyone has exited the building, and the rest of this episode is going to be in the parking lot. Michael is going to continue to mentor Ryan, and he's got his next rule of business.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. He's not sure Ryan's listening to him. And BJ has the best line read ever. He's like, are you listening to me, Ryan? What did I say? What did I say? And bj, as Ryan says, yeah, I got it. Adapt, react, readapt apartment. Apartment. I'm not sure what that is, but that is actually rule number two. So we're back to rule two. Now Dwight is going to run out of the building. He's demanding a headcount. He comes up to Michael and Ryan. He's like, michael, you're number one. He will not let Ryan be number two. And then Dwight says something else. But I want us to hear it. Let's listen.

[E]

So what was rule two?

[Angela Kinsey]

Adapt, react, readapt apt.

[E]

Okay, well, let's just kind of take it a little slower.

[F]

Hey, Michael, Ryan needs the number for the count off.

[E]

Okay, well, one is taken.

[F]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Two.

[F]

No, sorry. Okay, he can have 14. Marjorie's not here today.

[Jenna Fischer]

Marjorie is not here. Who the hell is Marjorie?

[Angela Kinsey]

Who the hell is Marjorie?

[Jenna Fischer]

I wondered if this was an improv, but it's not. It's in the script.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is Marjorie the name we gave to Luann, Our stand in? Our female stand in that we had for all of season one, and I don't know if she was even there for season two. Is that who Marjorie is? Because she was, in fact, not in the parking lot, But Devin is in the parking lot. Creed is in the parking lot. And we're not going to really learn who Devin and Creed are until the Halloween episode. So I'm pretty sure we called Luann. Luann I thought we called Luann Luann as well. But who is Marjorie? Who's Marjorie? Where did she work?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. Well, now Dwight is going to say, maybe him and Michael and Ryan are, like the three musketeers, and Michael's, like, are the three stooges. And this is my favorite Ryan talking head. I just love it. I thought BJ was so good in this episode. He says, I don't want to be, like, a guy here. You know, Like, Stanley is the crossword puzzle guy, and Angela has cats. I don't want to have a thing here. You know, I don't want to be the something guy. That's how little he wants to attach to this place. Please do not give me a nickname. Do not try to be my buddy. I am not going to be here long.

[Jenna Fischer]

He does not want an identity here.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nope.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now, Jim is going to gather everyone for a very important announcement. This is when he suggests that we play some games. Desert island. Who would you do? And Pam's suggestion of would you rather that we never get to.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I think that is a perfect time to have our second round of office trivia.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, get your buzzers ready. Hand me the cards.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're asking the teapot questions, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Am I? Maybe I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm doing whatever I want because I'm the questioner.

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought that was what we agreed to is seasons one through three.

[C]

No, you said that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you, Sam.

[Angela Kinsey]

What the hell is this? What playing games is like with you guys? You just change the rules as you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

So these cards are really cute, by the way. So there's the teapot questions, the world's best boss mug questions, the pretzels, the beets, and then the, like, the fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

Orb, the multicolored, like, ball that expands and goes back down.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was on Michael's desk. I actually think it would be fun if we did a different category each round. So I'm gonna ask from the world's best boss questions. Okay, these are, I guess, later seasons. Seasons four and five. Okay, ready?

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[C]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

In the money episode, what is Michael's second job? Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

He works at a telemarketing company. Bing, bing, bing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. All right, in the chair model episode, who did Pam set Michael up with? Yes.

[C]

Her landlord or landlady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, her landlady. Do you know her name? Bonus point if you know her name. Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Diane.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nope. Anyone?

[C]

Susan.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's just a guess in the dark.

[Jenna Fischer]

Margaret.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Margaret.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's all right. You still get a point, Sam.

[C]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. In The Survivorman episode, What bad idea did Jim have to celebrate birthday month? Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

That they all combine all their birthdays into one party.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, it's Angela. Yes, very good. Final question. In the business trip episode, what was the name of the concierge Michael hooked up with in Canada?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, shoot. Played by Wendy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Marie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Marie, is it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Cassie, you are on the board with three. You are leading.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have two points.

[Jenna Fischer]

You have two points. I have two points. Sam, you have one.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Very, very good, everyone. Nice round.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it was a good round. You're changing the rules, but okay. Guess that's how it goes. Well, now the fire truck is going to arrive. I don't think anyone's more excited than Dwight. He, like, fist pumps in the air. He's very excited.

[Jenna Fischer]

In our original breakdown, we had reached out to costume designer Carrie Bennett, who shared about how she recreated the Scranton patches on the firefighters uniforms. Very authentic. Well, this time when I reached out to Kent Zabornak, AKA Kentopedia, he was able to tell me a little bit about how we got the fire trucks. He said we rented them. Oh, they cost $5,000 for each one, I think, total.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also asked him if there were any issues with standards and practices for this episode. I mean, considering that we're about to get into all these games.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

He said no. He said they didn't have any notes on the games.

[Angela Kinsey]

They just didn't like Randy Cortran. They were fine with kits of Warnock and Steve Burgess.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow, you're right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aww.

[Jenna Fischer]

Kent said they had one note, and their one note was to be sure not to glorify fire in the episode, which is good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, that makes sense.

[Jenna Fischer]

So now we're going to have three all new talking heads. We've got one from Dwight, we've got one from Angela, and we've got Jim and Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, you break down crying in your talking head.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did. This is completely scripted. My character says, yes, there's a real fire, but it's okay. Everyone got out fine. This is why you practice these things. And she starts to cry.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's like the stress has gotten to her. She got us out of the building, she did her job, and now she's broken.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dwight is just all excited. He says he's a safety officer and a volunteer sheriff's deputy. I mean, he has been training for this his whole life.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He said there could be fire inside the walls.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right now, Jim and Pam are going to have a dual talking head where Pam says she likes fire drills because they Kind of remind her of when you would have class outside in school, when there were fire drills in school. Jim has fond memories as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Jim says, we had classes outside all the time and we never did anything. Actually, if I had fewer outside classes, I probably wouldn't be stuck here at a paper company. And then Pam looks at him and goes, you're not stuck. And he smiles. They're having a nice moment here. She's softening to him a little.

[Jenna Fischer]

They are. While this was the fourth episode to air in season two, this was the first one that we recorded when we came back from our break. Yeah, we were all reunited here. And they sent a photographer to take pictures. And this photographer took so many pictures of John and I doing this talking head. And it was always so funny to me because the talking heads got cut out of the episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

But there's all These pictures of YouTube.

[Jenna Fischer]

All these pictures of us next to this fire truck doing these talking heads. So now these photos make sense. Cause these talking heads have been added back to the Superfan episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I wanted to share two things that Ken Kwapas said to me about doing these parking lot scenes.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

He said, and I quote, the most significant thing that he remembers about this episode was the heat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He said he spent every day thinking he was going to faint.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

He said it was the most physically taxing episode that he directed. And he also directed Booze Cruise, mind you. He also said that it was very challenging spatially. He said for him, it was like the flip side of the coin to Diversity Day. Diversity Day. It was like, how do I do this whole episode confined in this small room? And then this episode was, how do I do this episode and establish relationships and intimacy in a huge, wide parking lot? He said when he directs, he's always trying to find those relationship moments. He's always trying to find the family to establish family.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did, too. But it's really challenging when people are very spread apart. So I just love that. But, yeah, we talked a good bit of our phone conversation was just about how hot it was. And he said in the end, I was glad no one collapsed.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm surprised that I think of the crew who, in addition to being out in that parking lot with us, were also carrying and holding so much heavy equipment all day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Ken was like, you know, Ange, it was record breaking heat wave. And I was like, oh, no, it was triple digits. We talked about that. But as we were talking, Jenna, I remembered this thing that I did not remember the first time. And when I rewatched it, I couldn't believe we didn't comment on it. You know, if you watch Dwight in any of his scenes, you see a full white T shirt hanging out from his short sleeve button down. You see his white T shirt sleeve. And it was because he was sweating so much that he had to wear that shirt. Because he was pitting out his mustard shirt.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So they were layering the guys so they wouldn't sweat through their shirts.

[Jenna Fischer]

So crazy. Well, Ange, when I was trading messages with Kent, he also mentioned the heat. He said this, quote, because we filmed this episode the first week of a hot August, and a lot of our filming was outside in the parking lot. I made the decision to silk the exterior parking lot from the rooftop to the sidewalk so we could keep a little cooler. Remember those?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Was that they're like just like a giant tarp.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's like a very thin, white, silky. Yeah. Scrim.

[Angela Kinsey]

Scrim. Tarp thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's meant to kind of just definitely the sunlight. So it's not. I don't think it's SPF or anything, but it does, like, cut the heat. It's almost like in your house, if you drew like a sheer curtain to cut the sun. Well, Kent said, quote, I kind of regretted that decision because you can see those silks in some of the shots, and they were noisy as they flapped in the breeze. Now, I did not notice them when I was rewatching this episode, but I think it's funny that after all these years, he is still annoyed.

[Angela Kinsey]

He still remembers. He's like, oh, those silk.

[Jenna Fischer]

Those silks. I also thought. This is when I think the fact that both Randall Einhorn and Matt Sohn had been camera operators on Survivor. I feel like that really paid off. Really came in handy because I know they did some pretty grueling things. You know, in those seasons of Survivor when people are, like, hiking through wilderness. Yeah. There's, you know, Randall and Matt were hiking alongside of them, filming it all.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Jim is going to ask everyone which three books they would take on a desert island. We've already covered what Angela's taking in our quiz.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I really loved Dwight's pick so much. I feel like we need to hear it.

[F]

Fine. Physician's Desk Reference.

[Jenna Fischer]

Nice.

[C]

Smart.

[F]

Hollowed out inside. Waterproof matches, iodine tablets, beet seeds, protein bars, NASA blanket, and in case I get bored, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.

[Jenna Fischer]

No.

[F]

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Did my Shoes come off in the plane crash.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's speaking to me.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. He is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Physician's desk reference. Such a smart answer. I wouldn't hollow it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

I wouldn't hollow it out either. But, you know, the scene is a little bit longer. In the superfan episode, right after Dwight says, did my shoes come off in the plane crash? He goes on to say, this is important. Leather is a food source. Leather from shoes can be boiled down to a simple broth that can sustain a man for over two weeks. Well, lady, I had to know. Is this one of those things that Dwight is half right about?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. Tell me. I need to know. My survivalist brain needs to know the answer. Can I drink the broth of my boiled shoe? Well, will it sustain me?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, here's the thing, lady. The quick answer is no, you should not eat leather from shoes. Because while technically leather contains some protein, most commercially tanned leather used in shoes is treated with chemicals and dyes, making it unsafe to consume. And eating it can cause digestive issues.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure, Eating it raw. Eating it raw. Yes. But what if I boil it?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's still going to be boiled in its chemicals.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess that's true. Don't we remember in, like, old cartoons, you would see the cartoon characters boil their shoe?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, here's what I was going to say about that. There is this lore of eating your shoes. It's been around a long time. It's been shared in ledgers over history in extreme starvation situations. For example, Sir John Franklin was a British Royal Navy officer and explorer. And in his ledger from his ship between 1819 and 1822, things were not going well. He was losing his crew to starvation, and the survivors even attempted to eat their own leather boots. And this is what gained Franklin the nickname of the man who ate his boots. And he survived. But this was in ye olden days. Maybe the leather hadn't been so treated, but everything the Internet says is, do not try this.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, well, good to know. I remember reading this fascinating book. I wish I could remember what it was, but it was about an old ship. You know, they were explorers on a ship, and, you know, there was a lot of superstition when you were a sailor and their whole ship was getting sick and people were dying of scurvy, and they thought it was like, bad luck, you know. And then they eventually landed on an island that had fruit, and they all ate some fruit and they were cured of their scurvy. And then that's when they realized, oh, my gosh, we just need like a thimble full of lemon juice a day and then you don't get scurvy. But they didn't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

They didn't know. They didn't know. Well, I do think this is one of those times where Dwight had a little bit of some historical tidbit where people ate their leather shoes when they were starving in ye olden times. But no, do not attempt at home.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, listen, why don't we take a break and when we come back we are going to learn Michael's rule number four for business and we're going to get into what movies people would watch on a desert island.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Where'd you get those shoes?

[Angela Kinsey]

Easy.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

All right, we are back. And we've got rule number four from Michael and Andre Agassi. Rule number four is image is everything. I'm so sorry. I thought rule number four was failure is not an option.

[Angela Kinsey]

No. Things change.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, clearly this is when Michael's also going to show off his car to Ryan.

[Angela Kinsey]

He loves that car.

[Jenna Fischer]

He really does.

[Angela Kinsey]

But you know what? His car is like a way to impress people. It's a marketing tool.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, Ryan's already seen his car. Ryan has meticulously cleaned out his car in the episode Hot Girl, But Michael's gonna show it to him again.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. And then they're gonna sit in the backseat of it and talk. We'll get to that. Up next, Jim is gonna ask everyone for their movies that they would wanna watch on a desert island.

[Jenna Fischer]

And in the Superfan episode, we're gonna hear what Toby's picks were.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I loved that.

[Jenna Fischer]

They are say anything. The Shining and Annie Hall. Jim can't believe it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Jim's like, those are some of my favorite movies too. And then he has a talking head with Pam where Jim says, you know, Toby and I used to sit together, but Michael separated us because we talked too much.

[Jenna Fischer]

So here's my question. Okay. That was a super fan added nugget. We're learning that Jim and Toby used to sleep sit near one another, but they talked too much. So Michael separated them. Two things. Number one, I could see Michael hating Toby because Jim likes him.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right, Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jim. Popular one. The one that Michael wants to be his best friend.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So he's gonna separate that because that keeps Jim all to himself. But these two guys who were broing out at work, who were bonding just because they got separated, they can't be friends. Like, why do we see no signs of this friendship anywhere else ever? They're just. That's it. That's all it took. I don't know, to break them up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't speak to the dudom, but that tracks to me. It's like, I don't know, one year, like, you know, your son plays on a sports team or something and has buddies, and then that team gets broken up and they play on different teams, and then you don't see those people again. I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess. I don't know. I thought it was strange. All right, we're going to hear Meredith's movie pics. Now. You might remember they are Legends of the Fall, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Legally Blonde, Bridges of Madison County. And then later she'll let us know. She also likes just one scene from.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ghost, just the Clay pot making scene.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we need to discuss this because Pam is going to say that she kind of likes Meredith's book picks, particularly Legally Blonde. And this is going to lead to a big debate we had the first time because Jim is going to give her grief about Legally Blonde. He's going to say, it's not guilty pleasure movies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then Pam's like, okay, you're right. I take it back. I take it back. She takes it back. That Legally Blonde is not one of her desert island movie pics. Okay, just hold that, hold that. We'll get back to it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, in the Superfan episode, we also learn Kevin's picks. They are Cannonball run, Cannonball Run 2, Weekend at Bernie's, Weekend at Bernie's 2, and Groundhog Day. And Kevin is giggling the whole time he's saying these.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stanley says, you know what? I have a client who watches Groundhog Day regularly, and maybe Kevin and him could get together and talk about that account. And Jim's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is sounding way too much like work. Let's focus here. We're playing games.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, Dwight and Michael are going to check out Ryan's car. And we got some comments in the Instagram feed that I wanted to discuss.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Particularly from Amy B. In Franklin, Tennessee, who said, I randomly paused the episode around 9 minutes and 20 seconds and saw the camera guy leap out of frame. All right, I went and checked. Yes. In the original episode, you can see Matt Sohn jumping out of frame at this moment as Dwight and Michael and Ryan are all walking up to the back of Ryan's car. But in the Superfan episode, this scene happens at 16 minutes and six seconds. And I don't know if they used a different take or if they just tightened the shot, because you can do that in editing. You can kind of like, push in. Push in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Matt Sohn is not there anymore. Matt Sohn, you have been wiped out of the Superfan episode of the Fire.

[Angela Kinsey]

They did a little tidying.

[Jenna Fischer]

They did?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, while they're checking out Ryan's car, Michael sees a bunch of big, like, class, like, sized textbooks in Ryan's car. And that's when Ryan says, you know what? I'm in night school. And now Ryan is Gonna start quizzing Michael on business.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Here's the first question. Why have people been rethinking the Microsoft model in the past few years?

[Angela Kinsey]

First question stumps Michael. He has no idea.

[Jenna Fischer]

Second question. When the dollar goes up, what does that do to American business?

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael says, pass.

[Jenna Fischer]

Again, no idea.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Michael is going to have this talking head in the Superfan episode. He's going to say, you know, I worked at a fast food restaurant, and then I worked at a place that sold cutlery that could cut through a penny, which is life experience that Ryan doesn't have. Well, lady, in watching these Superfan episodes, I also go back and I rewatch the deleted scenes to see if everything is included. And in this case, they omitted just a little bit. That was in deleted scenes where Michael actually shares which fast food restaurant he worked at growing up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Where did he work?

[Angela Kinsey]

Arby's.

[Jenna Fischer]

No way. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

He says he worked at Arby's.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you ever work in fast food? Because I worked at a fast food restaurant in high school. I worked at Long John Silver's.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, but my best friend in high school worked at Dairy Queen. And we would drive through the drive through and, like, be like, hey, what are you doing? And then she'd hang out for a little bit, and then she'd get fussed at. They'd be like, amy, come back. Stop talking to your friends. We just drive up to talk to her. I lifeguarded in high school.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I see. My very first job was at a kennel. I was only 15. My parents had to drive me on the weekends, and I would clean out the kennels and play with the puppies. Oh, I loved this job. It was like, I love taking care of all the animals. And then my second job was at Long John Silver's, and eventually I worked at a car wash for three years. I would dry off the cars. Have I told these stories already on the podcast? I don't even know. But since I was one of the only girls that worked at the car wash, I was tinier and I could fit in the back seat, and I would spray the interior windows, and that was my job. I had to crawl in the car really quickly and do all the interior windows while all the fellas dried off the outside of the car. When it came out of the car wash, and it was very fumey, I spent a lot of time in these fumes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Very fumey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a cocktail party trick of mine. I can do the sound of, like, a spray bottle, you know, like a Bottle that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Another sound effect from Angela. Let's hear it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ready? So imagine I'm holding a spray bottle, like, you know what I mean? Like. I know. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Windex.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sure. Windex. I'm holding Windex.

[Jenna Fischer]

Glass cleaner.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Very good, Ange.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're Welcome. You're welcome.

[Jenna Fischer]

2025 is also the year of Angela doing sound effects. I'm here for it. Would you like to know the next question in the quiz about business? Here it is. Is it cheaper to sign a new customer or keep an existing customer? Ryan says it's 10 times more expensive to sign a new customer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael now has a talking head where he says, you know, I might not have gone to business school, but neither did LeBron James or Tracy McGrady or. Or Kobe Bryant. They all went to the NBA. Which isn't the same thing at all.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. It's such an unusual talking in.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. Well, I had to see if there was a candy bag alt for it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is there?

[Angela Kinsey]

There is. Michael would have said this. You know, it's just people weren't so ambitious. It was the 80s, you know, it was a more innocent time on why he didn't go to business school.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I think in honor of this business school quiz, it might be time for another round of our quiz. Sam, do you have the questions?

[C]

Yes, I will. All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cassie, are you gonna change the rules?

[C]

I might.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, what are you asking from this time?

[C]

I'm gonna ask from the teapot, actually.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, he's going back to the teapot.

[C]

In the injury episode, what type of butter did Michael want Pam to rub on his burnt foot? I heard the boing Margarine. Nope.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, shoot.

[C]

Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Country Croc.

[C]

That's right. That is right. In the employee transfer episode, what song was on the radio on the drive to Nashua when Michael says, fourth time's a charm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, shoot. I can hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, gosh. I have it. Life is a highway.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. All right, in the job episode, Michael thought he was getting a job at corporate. What website did he sell his condo on in record time?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't even remember him doing that. He sold his condo because he thought he was getting the job?

[C]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

On ebay. Ebay.

[C]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, no one gets that one. That's very funny.

[C]

In the drug testing episode, whose concert was Michael at when he was passed a joint?

[Jenna Fischer]

Jenna Alanis Morissette.

[C]

No. Close.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh. Amy Grant.

[C]

No. So first letter's correct.

[Jenna Fischer]

They look similar.

[C]

Alicia Keys.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just knew it was An A name.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's all I could remember.

[C]

All right, in the gossip episode when Andy was talking to Oscar about a gay fantasy, which celebrity tried to get to Andy?

[Jenna Fischer]

Brad Pitt.

[C]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Woo hoo.

[C]

All right, that's it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow, that was a good round for you, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you. Yes. I'm leading with four points. Angela, Cassie, you each have three.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, it is Pam's turn to share her desert island movie pics. Here's what they are. They are Fargo, Edward Scissorhands, Dazed and Confused, Breakfast Club, Princess Bride, and she has an all time favorite that Jim will not let her add. You know something I thought could be fun for office lady 6.0 is. What if we did rewatches of people's desert island movies and do breakdowns of them? Yeah, I think the only. It'll be a little tough to go through Kevin's list.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, man.

[Jenna Fischer]

But these could inspire some fun movie breakdowns.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't think I could do weekend at Bernie's 2. I mean, like, how much more can they shenanigans can they get up to?

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, the first time we did this breakdown, Ang, you and I shared our movie choices. I shared that my movie choices were the Edge, the Three Amigos, Tootsie, Terms of Endearment, and Parasite. Angela, yours were Meet the Parents, Pride and Prejudice, out of Africa, the Matrix, the Empire Strikes Back, Shakespeare in Love, and you said you almost chose no movies. Just down the abbey. I thought it could be fun to revisit our choices and also include Sam and Cassie in the conversation. So I guess first up, Ang, would you change any of your choices?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I just watched Pride and Prejudice. I love it. I rewatched that movie over and over, so that's still top of the list for me. I would always keep the Matrix in. Always.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

I might include this time around When Harry Met Sally.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just love that movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then also I do love Shawshank Redemption. Okay, and here's a curve ball for you guys because I love this movie. It's called the Wife and it is so good. The performances are amazing. It's Glenn Close and Jonathan Pryce. And Glenn Close and Jonathan are married. He is a famous author and she is his wife. I don't want to ruin it for you guys, but it is so compelling.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, I'm gonna have to check that out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Jenna, I love it. Okay, I need you to call me after you watch it. It is so layered. Their relationship is so layered. Anyway.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, okay. I'LL call you after I watch it. I'm gonna stick with all of my movies except for one. I'm gonna get rid of Parasite. I had just seen it at the time. Turns out I haven't ever rewatched it. I really loved it, but I'm gonna replace it with Moonstruck.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I love Moonstruck.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, that's one that I watch a lot. I love it so much. All right, Sam, Cassie, your desert island movies, please.

[C]

All right, I'm gonna go with Princess Bride and Shawshank Redemption as well. Oh, I love Princess Bride as well as Skeleton Twins. And I love you, Philip Morris.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is Skeleton Twins?

[C]

Skeleton Twins is Kristen Wiig and Bill Hader. They play siblings.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[C]

It's really good. Deals with suicide and loss and grief very well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I haven't seen that.

[C]

It's really good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, that's only four. You get one more, Sam.

[C]

For the fifth one, I'm gonna pick the Rocketeer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw, that's a sweet movie. I know it. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, Cassie, what's your list?

[D]

Okay, you emailed us about this, and I thought you wanted to know what our favorite deserted island movie was.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, so what is your favorite deserted island movie?

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a twist.

[D]

Yeah. So I picked Swiss army man, and now I'm just imagining myself on an island watching a deserted island movie. But if I was picking five movies, I'd go with bottoms. Big Lebowski, Billy Madison, the Shining, and E.T.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I love E.T. and I love the Big Lebowski.

[D]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, three comedies, a horror, and then one that just tugs at your heart strings. Pretty good list. Thanks. Well, now we're back in Ryan's car, and Ang, you like to assign things a cringe meter. I'm going to give this a cringe of nine. This is where things have taken a turn, and Michael has started just confessing that he went into sales because he loves making friends. He was promoted to manager at a young age, and on and on. Ryan is so uncomfortable. He actually says, I have grown uncomfortable with the intensity of this conversation. Like, he needs to get out of the backseat of this car.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, but it's so just revealing of Michael that he was probably a lot happier as a salesman because he got to interact with people and kind of butter them up and be pally.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then we're just gonna move that cringe meter right back on over across the parking lot because Jim is about to start the next game, which is, who would you do?

[Angela Kinsey]

Why would they play this? Why? It's a horrible idea. It's a horrible idea. Kevin and Oscar immediately say pam. And while this is happening, Dwight is clearly just sad that Michael's spending so much time with Ryan because now he's sitting in his car loudly listening to Everybody Hurts.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. He's listening to REM's Everybody Hurts. And Kent shared with me that it cost us $14,000 to play that song.

[Angela Kinsey]

Just that one song. Holy moly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everybody does hurt in their pocketbook.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sorry. I'm sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm turning into Josh. This is like a dad joke.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was a dad joke.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sorry.

[Jenna Fischer]

And lady, we talked about this in our original breakdown, but I just want to bring it back up again. I don't like Jim and Pam in this scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're making fun of Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

They are, and they are mean. I'm just saying it again. But I didn't love Jim and Pam in this whole episode. I kind of thought that they were being too cool for school. They were laughing at other people's expense a lot. This was so early for me to kind of, like, turn on them in this way. But in re watching this, I was like, mm, I'm not loving it, guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know it's the too cool for school thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't care for that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let people like what they like. Let them like whatever movies they like. Let them be happy. We did have a comment about this scene where Jim and Pam go over to Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

From Kristin W. In Pasadena, California. She says, were John and Jenna braking when they were talking to Dwight in his car? Did Rain improvise the line about Ryan dying in the war? It looked like they were all trying to stop laughing and then just keep going on with the scene. Kristen, that was all scripted. Ryan in the war was scripted. And it was also scripted that Pam and Jim were trying to suppress laughter as they talked to Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because they're laughing at him.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like I remember it was a hard choice for me because Rain's performance is kind of heartbreaking. Like, it was a little hard for me to justify that. My character was taking joy in this, but I tried to remind myself, hey, this guy is really irritating to us a lot. Like, he's difficult to be around in the office, but, you know, the Jenna inside of me is like, it doesn't matter. You just don't laugh at people.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. Not when they're hurting like that.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. And, Angela, I know from our own personal experience in Hollywood, the thing that irritates us the most is when we run into the too cool for schools oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Get over yourself already.

[Jenna Fischer]

Get over yourself. When we're, like, at an event or something and you're trying to talk to someone and they're just looking over your shoulder to see if the next best person is gonna come in the room, and then they say snarky comments. Just please.

[Angela Kinsey]

You play pretend.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

We're not solving the world's problems here. Just be nice.

[Jenna Fischer]

Be nice. It's not that hard. And that's what I want to say to Jim and Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

One of the things I did love about this scene is that when Jim leaves to go to Dwight's car, he puts Stanley in charge. And Stanley takes it seriously. He's like, okay, Stanley's now in charge of the game. And when we cut back to the game, we don't know why, but out of the blue, Kevin just says, boobs. And Stanley says, what question are you responding to?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. That was a little added bit in the Superfan episode. Roy is gonna come up. You know all the guys in the warehouse, there was a scene where they were, like, doing donuts and stuff and drinking beers. And he's like, these guys are a little crazy. Can I come hang out with you guys for a little bit?

[Angela Kinsey]

He says, they can be real jackasses.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And this is a moment where I'm like, oh, Roy, Roy. There might be something there that's sweet about Roy. He doesn't want to just, you know, drink beer and do donuts with the jackasses. He's like, that's kind of getting old.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. No, instead he wants to join the game of who would you'd do and pick Angela in front of his fiance. Yeah, that's not being a jackass. Good job, Roy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Roy is not at the place yet where he learning how to play the piano for his fiance.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, he's not. Exactly. So everyone's going around and awkwardly shouting out who they would do when Ryan gets a call on his cell phone. And I love it so much because he's like, no, this is a good time. This is a great time.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then Michael is suddenly bummed that he doesn't have his cell phone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Dwight says, I can go back and get your cell phone. I'll go in the building. I'll go in the burning building to get your cell phone, Michael. Of course, his subtext is, that's how much I love you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael. As Dwight runs in the building, Michael's like, you idiot. And Kevin says, he could die. And the last thing you said to him is, Idiot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's going to weigh on Michael.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now we have a new little scene where Jim and Ryan are discussing business school. Jim's got some questions. I wonder if this is kind of coming off of that added talking head that we had earlier where Pam is saying, you're not stuck at Dunder Mifflin. Like, she planted this seed. You could have options.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I guess Jim's kind of looking at his options.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ryan says he sees it as an investment. The ladies are still playing the game of who would you do? And pretty much everyone chooses J. Jim. Pam is divided between Oscar or Toby.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael, it's really weighing on him. Now that Dwight's inside the building, he's like, why is Dwight taking so long?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Katie is going to call Jim and have to step away. And Michael is going to tell Ryan, call my cell phone so Dwight can find it more easily. He's been in there too long. And then Ryan's like, well, I don't have your number. And Michael's like, but I gave it to you back in the car.

[Angela Kinsey]

I saw you put it in your. I watched you enter it into your phone. And Ryan's like, uh, yeah, you're gonna need to give it to me again. Cringe meter of tin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So Michael uses Ryan's phone to call.

[Angela Kinsey]

His own phone, and it rings in his pocket.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. That's when Dwight comes running out of the building and he announces how this fire started.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Ryan left his cheese pita in the toaster oven, and it caught on fire. For the guy who didn't want to be a something guy, he's now fire guy.

[Jenna Fischer]

He has a great talking head where he says, I can't believe I started the fire.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

And this is also when Dwight is going to sing the song he made up for Ryan. Ryan started the fire to the melody of We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel. Kent said it only cost us $5,500 for the song. And this is because we weren't playing it. We were just singing our version of it. So we only had to get what is called sync rights.

[Angela Kinsey]

I wonder what it would have been if we played the whole thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe something closer to Everybody Hurts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Katie is going to arrive now, and she's so excited to tell Jim her desert island movie pics.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So Jim brings her over to the group and she starts her list, and her very first choice is Legally Blonde.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam laughs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jim cuts her off. He's like, no, no, that's it. That's it. We Don't. We gotta go. We gotta go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. Now, when we first broke down the scene, we had a hot take right here. We got a lot of mail about our hot take. In our hot take, I said that I didn't like how Pam was snarkily laughing at Katie. I thought she was being competitive, But I said, you know, we know Pam likes Legally Blonde. And then you asked, why can't she just tell Jim what she likes? And I said, I know. Why did she edit herself? And now she's, like, being snarky to this other woman for liking the same movie she.

[Angela Kinsey]

She likes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. This was our discussion. Well, a lot of people had a whole different take on this cat S, Steven S, Scott G. They all felt like that laugh from Pam was Pam laughing at Jim, not at Katie. Sarah W. Said, I don't think in any way Pam is hypocritically laughing at Katie saying Legally Blonde. I think she's laughing at the irony and the surprise. And Lauren said, I read it more as a laugh at Jim because he had scoffed at it. More of poetic justice.

[Angela Kinsey]

I could see the poetic justice.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And then Lauren C. Said, I want to add that Jim hides his opinions from Katie, and that kind of makes him. Him just as guilty in terms of editing oneself. And Tameka M. Said, I actually want to stand up for Jim with the Legally Blonde thing. He never said Legally Blonde wasn't a good movie. He just asked if it was a movie you would bring if you were stranded on an island. When Jim said, it's a guilty pleasure movie, I think he made a good point. So a lot of opinions on our hot take, but I'm going to go back to my hot take.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think I have a proof of sass, and it has nothing to do with the laugh. I'll give you the laugh. I give that. Maybe the laugh was, oh, my gosh. Jim's new girlfriend likes this movie that he thinks is silly. Fine, I win. Sort of. That kind of thing. I think the proof of sass is in her talking head, and I think we should listen to it. I forgot what a super nice girl Katie is. And just good for Jim. They are so cute together. And what an adorable car.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know what? It is the adorable car. That's it. That's like. That is such sass.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like the whole thing is just dripping. Dripping with sass.

[Angela Kinsey]

The whole thing is dripping, but, like, the nail in the coffin is adorable car.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, as they drive off, this is the moment where I think Pam is being manipulative. And jealous, she grabs Roy and kisses him, knowing that Jim is gonna see it. I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

We've never seen Pam display this kind of affection for Roy.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. Roy looks surprised.

[Jenna Fischer]

On their way back into the building, Michael is going to give Ryan another rule of business. It's rule number five. Don't burn the building down. Safety first.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I also love that Michael tells Ryan he's going to give him the rest of the rules tomorrow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. We got five rules. The rest are coming tomorrow. The episode ends with two never before seen talking heads. One from Dwight, and it's actually kind of a jump cut of different talking heads. I think this was probably a compilation of candy bag alts. So I think this is a really fun thing for fans to see because they can see how we would get handed these sort of similar versions of the same topic. And this one is all about Dwight kind of talking about how he is really Michael's number two, his beta to his alpha. And that's sort of the theme of all of these little jump cuts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. And then the whole episode ends with a new Michael talking head where he says if he could change the life of one person. Actually, you know what? That's aiming too low. He already changed two people's lives just by being born mom and dad. Yep. But if he could change the lives of 5,000 people. No, maybe 10,000 people. Actually, even one is amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep. He's a mentor.

[Jenna Fischer]

He is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. Just like Yoda. Just like Mr. Miyagi.

[Jenna Fischer]

But he's got five more rules of business that he's gotta come up with now, tonight. I think we're never going to hear these extra five rules of business. No.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's never getting them.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not at all. But I guarantee you Michael, stressed and flopped, sweated all night trying to think of them. And guess what? This is time for our final quiz.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our final round. Cassie, you will be asking the questions.

[D]

So in honor of Stanley, I picked the pretzel.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I want you to know, Cassie, unfortunately, now that you're in the question of asking you are out. I'm in the lead with four. Sam, Angela. Will I be going home with the Star wars bag? I don't know. Let's see.

[D]

Good luck, everyone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ironic.

[D]

In the Andy's Play episode, what did Michael drop on the floor during the play? I heard boing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bottle of wine.

[D]

Correct.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, boy. Angela's coming in hot.

[D]

We're tied now in the Chump episode, fill in the blank for Michael. If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in the room with Hitler, bin Laden, and Toby. I would shoot Toby twice. Jenna. Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I kind of jumped in at my buzzer. I hope I was the first buzzer.

[D]

I think you were.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[D]

Okay, in the happy hour episode, who beat Michael's to leave early from work?

[C]

Stanley.

[D]

Sam. Got it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[D]

All right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is this the last question?

[D]

This is the last one.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, Jenna, Ange, if you get it right, then we're tied. We'll have to go to a tie break.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's a lot at stake.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[D]

In the murder episode, what was the name of Michael's character in the murder mystery game?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, shoot. It's like a. Like, Like a French. Like a, like Cajun name, isn't it, or something.

[C]

A mama.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, that's mine.

[Jenna Fischer]

I got nothing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't pass.

[D]

Caleb Crawdad.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I knew it was a Cajun thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, next question. Oh, no. Is that it? Do I win?

[D]

I think you won't.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh. Oh, well, I don't get a chance then to tie.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was your chance, Caleb Crawdad.

[Angela Kinsey]

William. Well, Jenna, guess what? You win the Star wars bag of socks. Bag of socks. Bag of socks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bag of bag of socks. Socks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Look at the socks. I guess I.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're amazing. They are Captain Crunch and Reese's Peanut Butter cup socks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Woohoo. And I guess what would have been weird if I won the gift prize that I bought.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, thank you all for listening. This was a lot of fun. A big thank you to Kent Sibornak.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And I want to say thank you to Ken Kwapas for sharing with us his memories about this episode. And I asked Ken if there was a project I could share about, and he said he is thrilled because he is directing all four episodes of the Malcolm in the Middle reboot. A lot of the main cast is coming back, and he's really excited about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Yes, I read about that. That's so cool.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, there's some great articles about it. I'll share it in our stories.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, everyone, thanks for joining us, and we'll see you next week by. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins, our audio engineer is Sam Kieffer, and our associate producer is Ainslie Bubaco.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Baseline.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.