Second Drink: Baby Shower

Summary

Office Ladies: "Second Drink: Baby Shower" (April 6, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this "Second Drink" episode, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey revisit "Baby Shower" (Season 5, Episode 4) of The Office. They dig into behind-the-scenes stories, deleted scenes, production trivia, and fan questions, revealing insider details about the making of an iconic episode where Jan returns to Dunder Mifflin for a baby shower—despite having already given birth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Premise and Episode Summary

• Jenna provides a concise recap:

  "Michael and the party planning committee, still headed by Phyllis, throw a baby shower for Jan. But they are unaware that she has already given birth to her daughter Astrid. Jan's presence in the office causes Michael to be rude to Holly, and Dwight spends the day putting Jan's luxury stroller to the test. Meanwhile, Jim and Pam feel the effects of their long distance relationship." (08:09)

2. Fan-Favorite Moments & Deleted Scenes

• Standout fan moments:
  • Jan performing "Son of a Preacher Man" at her own baby shower.
  • Dwight’s dedication to "testing" Jan's expensive stroller.
  • The deleted Kevin scene (in both shooting and blooper versions)—Kevin reveals he donated sperm to the same bank Jan used, leading to comical awkwardness, especially his deadpan:

    "You can just let me know personally if you want it to have a brother or sister." (03:00)
    Jenna confirms:
    "This entire scene was scripted. It was not improvised. And Leah, you will be happy to know that it has all been added back to the superfan version of Baby Shower for all to see." (03:59)

3. Behind-the-Scenes Details

a. Writing & Production

• New writer Aaron Shur, formerly from Everybody Loves Raymond, penned this episode. Jenna shares a fun anecdote about Aaron taping over his actual wedding video to record Raymond episodes for research, a story that made it into a Raymond script. (10:12–11:51)
• Scripts were long and heavily reworked in editing—this episode's shooting script was a whopping 49 pages. Greg Daniels was known for "rebuilding the ship at sea" (17:40–18:04).

b. Props & Stunts

• Phil Shea, prop master, shares that about 30 watermelons were used for the birth scene and stroller test.

  "Phil said, in total, we used about 30 watermelons for this whole episode." (23:01)

• The watermelon cold open was Greg Daniels’ idea and a nod to comedian Gallagher.

  "Greg had an affinity for Gallagher, and that's why you see so many watermelon gags on our show." (25:00)

• Stroller details: 10 Orbit strollers were provided by the company’s founder; the strollers proved remarkably durable, surviving Dwight’s “tests.” (57:12–61:00)

c. Casting the Baby

• Multiple babies played Astrid: twins Matthew and Joey Levinson, another baby (Harvey Green), triplets (Chase, Chloe, Juliet Purcell), and occasionally a fake baby. (35:02–36:38)

d. Baby Photo Board

• Most cast brought in childhood photos, except Jenna, John, and Steve. Angela’s real baby portrait is used (and was posed at a JCPenney’s, as her mom relayed). (32:01–34:14)

4. Michael, Jan, and Holly: Triangular Tension

• Michael’s struggle to process Jan’s independence and distance is threaded throughout, culminating in Jan’s request:

  “There is one more thing you could do for me…don’t date Holly.” (65:19)

• Jenna and Angela discuss the unfairness of Jan’s treatment of Michael and dissect his awkward attempts to support her and yet pursue Holly.

5. Jim and Pam’s Long Distance Strain

• Pam’s art school storyline begins to demonstrate their growing disconnect—with realistic, awkward phone calls and misunderstandings. The episode concludes with a touching split-voicemail scene.

  "They both recall the same story about the time that, you know, some man came into the laundromat and Jim had to save Pam, and then they bought a washer dryer... I guess this was just one of those days. I miss you. I wish you were home." (66:14–67:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Cold Open & Watermelon Scene

• Jim’s one-line summary:

  “Jan is about to have a baby with a sperm donor and Michael is preparing for the birth of a watermelon with Dwight. Now this baby will be related to Michael through delusion.” (21:59)

• Behind the scenes:

  "This reinforces to them that newborns are very slippery." —Fan ER doctor Ben M., referencing the watermelon cold open (24:00)

Kevin’s Deleted Scene (Superfan Version, 41:37)

• Kevin: "I donated sperm."
• Jan, horrified, learns her sperm bank is the one next to IHOP.
• Michael: "Are you saying Kevin is not an ideal specimen?"
• Angela: "It's not Kevin. We could not get through it. Whenever Brian said, 'the one by IHOP,' just every single time. Because Melora's reaction as Jan was so good..." (42:04)

Jan’s “Son of a Preacher Man” Performance

• Angela recalls:

  "It was like, bite the inside of your cheek, don't make eye contact with anyone. And also, at the same time, in total awe of Melora." (45:11)

• Jenna deep dives into the song’s legacy, playing versions by Aretha Franklin, Dolly Parton, and Dusty Springfield (50:05–53:14).
• Angela:

  "When Melora sang it, she improvised the snapping. And you know what? It about got me on the floor." (53:30)

Fan Details and Trivia

• Jan’s donut pillow:

  "This is amazing. And 10/10 for attention to detail." —Kristen B. (43:27)

• Angela’s baby photo:

  “I'm propped up because I can't sit yet.” (34:09)

Michael’s Emotional Arc

• On holding Astrid vs. Holly:

  “I didn't feel much when I held Astrid, but I... got a good feeling when I held Holly." (66:14)

Jim and Pam’s Voicemail Split-Screen Ending

• Greg Daniels wanted viewers to see their underlying connection, even as they miss each other (both literally and emotionally). (66:30–67:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment/Event | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:03 | Episode summary, Jan’s baby shower is thrown post-delivery | | 03:00 | Kevin's deleted sperm donor scene (superfan version) | | 04:42 | Michael’s “If a baby were president” talking head | | 06:38 | Michael’s talking head: Jan let him pick the boy's name | | 08:09 | Full episode summary | | 17:40 | Script length: 49 pages, “rebuild the ship at sea” editing style | | 23:01 | 30 watermelons used for cold open | | 35:02 | Who played baby Astrid? | | 45:11 | Melora Hardin sings "Son of a Preacher Man" | | 50:05–53:14 | “Son of a Preacher Man” deep dive & audio clips | | 57:12–61:00 | All about the Orbit stroller, prop details | | 66:14 | Michael’s realization about Holly | | 66:30 | Jim and Pam’s split voicemail scene | | 69:04 | Top baby names of 2008 trivia (Emma, Aiden) |

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Additional Production & Cultural Trivia

• Orbit Stroller: A real startup product featured in the show; the company sent 10 units, and even let Phil Shea and Angela keep one. (57:12)
• Personalized M&Ms: Real on-set party trick by Greg Daniels for cast celebrations. (26:49)
• Baby Shower Origins: Jenna shares a 3,000-year history, plus modern spins (Sip and See, sprinkle). (14:44–17:22)
• Deleted Scenes Canon: Jenna and Angela debate whether deleted material affects show canon—consensus: only aired material is canon, so Jan’s baby’s father is still a mystery. (43:00)

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Tonal & Stylistic Notes

• The hosts' dynamic remains light, silly, deeply affectionate for cast and crew, with frequent loving ribbing and detours for personal stories (“Kinsey tidbits”).
• Reflective, emotional moments are balanced with humor—e.g., Angela’s struggles not to break character, delight at Melora’s snap improvisation, or stories of parenthood overlapping with on-set baby madness.

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Conclusion

This "Second Drink" of Baby Shower doubles as a celebration of The Office’s enduring ensemble magic, shining a light on the collaborative chaos (and craft) behind one of its signature episodes. Packed with fan-favorite scenes (#KevinSpermDonor), real-life cast artifacts (Angela's baby photo), musical deep dives, and prop geekery (watermelons and $1200 strollers!), it serves both nostalgia and never-before-heard tidbits. The episode lands (as always) with the honest, goofy, heartfelt chemistry Jenna and Angela are beloved for.

Endearing Quote:

“There are really great scripted talking heads of people reacting to it. And Stanley had a great one where he was like, I used to like that song.” —Angela Kinsey (53:50)

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For More

Visit officeladies.com to submit your favorite episode moments or check out superfan episodes for even more deleted scene goodness.

Transcript

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[Jenna Fisher]

Hello there and welcome to your second drink of Baby shower. This is the episode where we throw a baby shower for Jan's baby who has already been born. We have some really great tidbits from the writer of this episode, Aaron Scher, and from prop master Phil Shea. And we reveal which celebrity might be Jan's sperm donor. That was a big find.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was. I don't want to ruin it, you guys, but it was really fun. There are also several moments that fans flagged as their favorite from Baby Shower. They are also delicious. Two of the most popular were when Jan sings Son of a Preacher man to the whole room. Yes. At the shower. And then when Dwight tests the stroller. But the big winner of the favorite moment for this episode is a deleted scene. And it is when Kevin reveals he has donated sperm to the very same sperm bank that Jan used. The one by ihop.

[Jenna Fisher]

Lady, you play it during our breakdown. But we also got a letter about this moment from Leah S. In Germany, who said, hey, guys, amazing podcast. My favorite scene from Baby Shower is actually a blooper, and I was wondering why it got cut and also if it was improvised or in the shooting draft. It's the moment when you're in the conference room and Kevin tells Jan that he donated sperm. Then Kevin asks Jan if she got the sperm from next to the ihop, and Jan looks at him as if she wants to kill him. And in the blooper, he says, you can just let me know personally if you want it to have a brother or sister. And then everybody breaks. Leah goes on to say, I think that's so funny, and I'm kind of sad it's not in the episode. And also, how on earth did you guys make it through that episode? Uh, well, Leah, in the breakdown, we talk about how we couldn't get through that scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

Couldn't get through it. The moment. Melora, as Jan has the look of realization.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

That it's the same sperm bank.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Every time. Got me.

[Jenna Fisher]

But I will tell you, this entire scene was scripted. It was not improvised. And Leah, you will be happy to know that it has all been added back to the superfan version of Baby Shower for all to see.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm so glad it made it back in. Another fan favorite moment came in from Briana E. From Illinois. She says, the suburbs of Illinois. My favorite part was when Michael was explaining what it would be like to have a baby as a president. This is a really fun talking head. We didn't play it before. It's one of those classic Michael moments where he makes a declaration before he's really thought it through, and then he kind of has to bail. Let's all hear it.

[Steve Carell]

I love babies. I think they are beautiful in all sorts of different ways. I try to pick up and hold a baby every day if possible, because it nourishes me, it feeds my soul. Babies are drawn to me, and I think it's because they see me as one of them, but cooler and with my life put together a little bit. If a baby were president, there would Be no taxes, There would be no war, There would be no government, and things could get terrible. It actually probably it would be a better screenplay idea than a serious suggestion.

[Jenna Fisher]

I could see Michael writing the screenplay for like baby president and it would be like a look who's talking thing and he'd do the voice of the baby.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. He thinks it would be so fun. And the baby would have a little tiny suit on. Yep. Have a little oval office.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right. This next letter comes from Soyan in South Korea. In the scene where the PPC and Michael are preparing the baby shower, they prepared two bowls of personalized M&Ms. One said Chevy, if it's a boy. And Michael said, that's me, which sounds like he picked the name. While I just realized that Jan must have known the gender of the baby in advance without telling Michael and that's why she let him pick the boy name. What do you think? I love you ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

I so agree.

[Jenna Fisher]

Right?

[Angela Kinsey]

I so agree.

[Jenna Fisher]

So, Yan, I went to the candy bag alts for this episode and there are a bunch of talking heads where Michael talks about picking the name Chevy and why. And then there is this one that was actually added back to the superfan episode. That pretty much proves your theory. Let's listen.

[Steve Carell]

Jan knows the sex, but she's not telling me. She did say that I could pick out a boy name. Her exact words were, knock yourself out.

[Jenna Fisher]

She's like, sure, go for it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because I know I'm having a girl and I'm naming her Astrid.

[Jenna Fisher]

Exactly. Well, everyone, there you go, Anna. Please enjoy your second drink of baby shower. Thank you all for writing in with your favorite baby shower moments. You can submit more of your favorite episode moments for our second [e-mail]. I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fisher]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fisher]

We're the Office. Ladies, are you ready for a baby shower?

[Angela Kinsey]

I sure am.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's Jan's baby shower today at a

[Angela Kinsey]

company she no longer works at with a man she no longer dates and is not the father of her baby. It's going to be a huge success.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

All the elements are there, right? Yes. People she doesn't really like are throwing

[Angela Kinsey]

her a baby shower and they don't like her.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's going to be great. It's season five, episode four. This episode was written by Aaron Shore and directed by Greg Daniels. I have a summary.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's do it.

[Jenna Fisher]

Michael and the party planning committee, still headed by Phyllis, throw a baby shower for Jan. But they are unaware that she has already given birth to her daughter Astrid. Jan's presence in the office causes Michael to be rude to Hollywood, and Dwight spends the day putting Jan's luxury stroller to the test. Meanwhile, Jim and Pam feel the effects of their long distance relationship.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that was hard to watch.

[Jenna Fisher]

They were out of sync.

[Angela Kinsey]

They were.

[Jenna Fisher]

You don't like to see that.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I don't.

[Jenna Fisher]

Fast fact number one, new writer alert. Aaron Scher joined the writing staff this year in season five. Aaron had been a writer on Everybody Loves Raymond, which is one of my favorite sitcoms of all time.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is such a great ensemble sitcom.

[Jenna Fisher]

Do you know that one where Marie goes to art class and she makes the sculpture and then guys, look it up. She makes a sculpture and she's so proud and she unveils it and it looks like a vagina, but she doesn't know. But everybody else is like, marie, what inspired you to make this piece? Oh, my gosh, it was so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Her character was so good.

[Jenna Fisher]

So anyway, I was very excited to have Aaron join the writing staff because then I could ask him tons of questions about Everybody Loves Raymond.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you did.

[Jenna Fisher]

I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

You chatted him up a lot about it.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, we have some news, Angela, do you want to share?

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. So I reached out to Aaron. We had been trying to get ahold of him. You slid into his DMs.

[Jenna Fisher]

I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was like, I don't even know. Do I have DMs? I'm like, yes. But I found an old email and we got in touch and it was so fun to talk to him. And he's a huge fan of the podcast, Jenna. He told me that he listens to the podcast in the evenings, and then sometimes when he drifts off to sleep, he dreams like that. He's in the podcast with us.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, my goodness. Is that. Is that a good dream or a nightmare? I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope it's a good thing.

[Jenna Fisher]

I hope so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aaron had lots of great stuff to share. We're going to hit him up quite a bit. We have Aaron now we have James and also Randy Cordrig.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. When Angela told me that she got a hold of Aaron, I know you were going to ask him about the office, but I had an Everybody Loves Raymond question. Still this poor man. I cornered him on set, and now you're calling him on the phone. And my question is still about Everybody Loves Raymond. But here's the thing. I remember that there was this episode that was based on a story from his real life, but I couldn't remember all the details. It's the episode. It's called 10th Anniversary. And Ray and Deborah are celebrating their 10th anniversary, and they want to watch their wedding tape. And they get it out and they put it in the vcr. They press play, and Rhea has recorded a football game over their wedding tape. And I remember that there is some story where I think Aaron recorded over his wedding tape with his wife.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is true. I knew it. That is true. So this is what happened. Okay, so Aaron was a fan of Everybody Loves Raymond. It was a show he wanted to meet on, so he thought, oh, I'll record a few episodes, watch them, really study the show. So when I go in and meet, you know, I have all this information. So he popped in a vhs. Guys, this dates us all a little bit. And he hit record, and it was his wedding video. Yeah. And back then, you guys, it's not like you have multiple copies. Like you get your wedding videotape and that's it.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

His wife was really upset.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he went in to meet on Everybody Loves Raymond, and he told that story. He was like, I taped over my wedding video to watch Everybody Loves Raymond. So my wife is really mad. You gotta give me this job. And he got the job.

[Jenna Fisher]

And then that story made it into an episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

A lot of Aaron's life ends up in scripts, you guys. There's a few episodes coming up that his actual life inspired things that Michael does, and I can't wait to share those with you.

[Jenna Fisher]

I'm so glad we're in touch with him.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fisher]

Fast fact number two, Angela. We shot this episode in August of 2008. And since we brought it up before, I thought it was worth mentioning that this same month, Steve carell won his second surfboard at the 2008 Teen Choice Awards for TV comedy actor.

[Angela Kinsey]

Steve, where did you put your surfboards?

[Jenna Fisher]

Back to back surfboards.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fisher]

When we have him on the podcast, is it gonna be weird if we ask him where his surfboards are?

[Angela Kinsey]

It depends where you put them.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's gonna be such a weird question. Well, also this same year, the movie Juno won Best comedy movie. And Rainnn Wilson was in that. Also this same year, we won a SAG award.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

So this was like the Awards. And the surfboards were coming in now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, right.

[Jenna Fisher]

It was really cool. And I remember at the 2008 SAG Awards, we were sitting at the table, and everybody was like, who's gonna give the speech if we win? And we all assumed it would be Steve. Like, Steve will give the speech. And Steve said, guys, this is an ensemble. I don't wanna always speak for the cast. That doesn't feel right to me. This is an ensemble award. I think someone else should speak. And I mean, first of all, amazing, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

He's so sweet.

[Jenna Fisher]

Awesome. And so then Rain said, I think Jenna should do it. And I feel like none of us really thought we were gonna win because we'd won the year before. And I said, oh, okay, yeah, sure, I'll do it. And then we won. And I had to give a speech at an award show.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you did such a great job. You were so articulate and well spoken. I was in awe. Because we didn't think we were gonna win. No, it was a total surprise.

[Jenna Fisher]

And then we won. And I'm, like, walking to the stage, and I'm like, oh, my God.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I know you guys are tired of me talking about being pregnant, but I was pregnant at that award show, and it's a very OD to be super huge and pregnant at an awards show. But you did such a great job.

[Jenna Fisher]

Thank you. I ended up kind of going down a rabbit hole of all the, like, cool things that happened for our show in 2008.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was a good year.

[Jenna Fisher]

It was a good year. James Carey sent me the call sheet for this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jamesapedia.

[Jenna Fisher]

Jamesapedia. And on the call sheet, it said there is a screening of Rainn Wilson's new movie the Rocker at Universal City Walk for the cast and crew. All are welcome. So that was also happening.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a lot happening.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right, fast fact number three. This episode is a baby shower. So I'm going to tell you some stuff about baby showers.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did a deep dive on baby showers.

[Jenna Fisher]

I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

What is there to know? Is the baby coming? Get some presents. Get everyone ready. What else is there to know?

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, baby showers are believed to date all the way back to the Egyptian and Greek civilizations.

[Angela Kinsey]

Whoa.

[Jenna Fisher]

But baby showers as we know them today began during the baby boom era of World War II. So, traditionally, the baby shower was thrown by a close family member or a friend and the mother to be opened gifts in a decorated chair.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jan has a very decorated chair.

[Jenna Fisher]

I noticed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Thank you, party planning committee.

[Jenna Fisher]

Thank you, Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I think Angela did It. Because Phyllis is making her do everything. So. Thank you, Angela. Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

I don't know. Well, listen, nowadays we have all kinds of ways that we can celebrate a new baby. And here are some new, updated baby showers. A diaper shower. That's where all you bring are diapers in different sizes. It's like if you go to your baby shower, it's like you went to Costco and bought out all the diapers. You just go home with every diaper because diapers are expensive.

[Angela Kinsey]

What's the next one?

[Jenna Fisher]

Grandparents shower. This is a shower that you throw for the grandparents and you give them stuff to keep at their house for when the baby comes over.

[Angela Kinsey]

Boo. I love you, grandparents, but come on. Grandparents. They love to go get that stuff.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, I don't know. Here's another one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

I've heard of these. A sprinkle.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fisher]

You don't have a baby shower. You have a sprinkle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sounds like you're going pee.

[Jenna Fisher]

It does. This is a shower that you throw for your second or third or fourth babies to collect maybe some of the things if you are having a baby of a different gender. Right, right. Or if you need to refresh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God. I just got it. A shower and a sprinkle.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not a full shower.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's just a sprinkle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Every time you say it, I just think of tinkling.

[Jenna Fisher]

I do, too. All right, the final one is a Sip and See.

[Angela Kinsey]

Does this involve wine?

[Jenna Fisher]

It does. It is a celebration planned by the new parents after the baby has arrived.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, you sip and you get to see the baby. Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

So I have to say what we are going to see in this episode is technically a Sip and See.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know what? I have been to A Sip and See, but I didn't even know it.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love the name Sip and See.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sip and See.

[Jenna Fisher]

Can I have a Sip and See for my new puppy? Can I do that?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay, good. That's all I got. Ange, anything you want to add? Do you have a Kinsey tidbit today?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, here's a little Kinsey tidbit. One of the things Erin said, which we have talked about before, is how long these scripts came in. You know, they were pretty big episodes, and then we would have to just chisel away, and there was so much that didn't make it to the screen. For example, this episode came in at 49 pages. Right.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wait, what? The script for this was 49 pages?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, 49 pages.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's craziness.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know how we've talked about how they would sort of rebuild the episodes in editing. Well, Aaron had this quote that I absolutely loved. He said that Greg liked to rebuild the ship at sea.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Isn't that such a great phrase?

[Jenna Fisher]

I love that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just love that they would get in the editor's room, man, and they would just carve it up. And I told him, I said, it's always interesting for me now that we have all these scripts. Thank you, James. To see what makes it on the screen and what doesn't and how they move everything around. And I'm always so happy with the final product, you know, but it's a cool thing to see. But I thought that Greg likes to rebuild the ship at sea was like a great phrase. Well, I think those were really good fast facts. And we've got some more Aaron tidbits. We should take a break and get into this episode.

[Jenna Fisher]

I like it,

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

All right, we are back and you guys at 12 seconds. Everything you need to know about this episode is laid out by Jim. Jim has a dry erase board and he's going to tell you everything you need to know about this episode. Sam, can you play that clip?

[Jenna Fisher]

Jan is about to have a baby with a sperm donor and Michael is preparing for the birth of a watermelon with Dwight. Now this baby will be related to Michael through delusion.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go.

[Jenna Fisher]

That pretty much sums it up. That could have been the summary.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, right? When I saw that I was like, well that's everything you need to know.

[Jenna Fisher]

Did you catch the D.A. white?

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I was about to say Ann, you got a real good dewhite in there.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, it's true. Dwight is walking around. He's got a watermelon in his smock that he's wearing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

An apron.

[Angela Kinsey]

They've fastened like a smock to hold the baby.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, the watermelon baby.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do you have some Phil Shea trivia about this?

[Jenna Fisher]

I do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yay.

[Jenna Fisher]

I talked to Phil Shea for about an hour yesterday.

[Angela Kinsey]

Prop master extraordinaire.

[Jenna Fisher]

I know. And we are going to have him on for an extended interview because he has got just some great info and stories.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't wait we need to have Aaron Schur on too.

[Jenna Fisher]

We really do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's load it up.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right. We had a fan question from Lisa W. How many watermelons were needed to do the practice birth scene with Michael and Dwight? Phil said, in total, we used about 30 watermelons.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fisher]

For this whole episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, because he straps it into the stroller later.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. So for these scenes and for later. And Phil said, you know, it's great living in Southern California because you can get watermelons all year. So it wasn't a problem.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. Fan catch from Evelyn v. Said at 1 minute, 41 seconds. I think I can see other stains from when the watermelon crashed into the ground on previous takes. I looked at it. Evelyn. I think that's a stain from something else. I don't think it's a watermelon. I feel like as Pam, I have walked up to the front of Michael's desk, and I've looked down at my feet enough in scenes. I recognize that stain. I don't know what that's from. I don't think it was watermelons.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know what to make of that other than maybe we should have splurged for new carpet.

[Jenna Fisher]

I think Michael needs new carpet.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

We had this letter from Ben M. In Chicago. I am an ER doctor, and whenever I'm teaching medical students how to deliver a baby, I like to show them the cold open from this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Get out.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. This reinforces to them that newborns are very slippery.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, come on.

[Jenna Fisher]

It helps teach them that you must always support the baby's head and neck and also hold an arm or a leg immediately after delivery. It is a very funny cold open, but also extremely accurate.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Aaron told me that this whole cold open was Greg's idea. The watermelon, the whole thing. He had this whole idea, and Aaron just ran with it.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's funny you say that, because when I spoke with Phil, he said, I think Greg had an affinity for Gallagher, and that's why you see so many watermelon gags on our show.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is very funny.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

The comedian Gallagher, he used to smash watermelons, and if you were on the front row, you just get splattered.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, I think that was it. Aaron told me because after he spoke with you, he came to the DM.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, he found you.

[Jenna Fisher]

We DMed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, good.

[Jenna Fisher]

He said this cold open was the first thing they shot.

[Angela Kinsey]

And.

[Jenna Fisher]

And it was his first time on set for the office, and he kept laughing out loud. And Greg had To say to him, aaron, this is not Everybody Loves Raymond. It's not a live show. You can't laugh out loud. And he was like, oh no.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. He told me that it became a thing he became very self conscious about because he'd only ever worked in four camera where they encourage you to laugh and laugh and laugh. And then he had to start suppressing the laugh and suppressing the laugh. And he said after a long day of work and suppressing the laugh, he would go home and just burp constantly.

[Jenna Fisher]

He told me that too.

[Angela Kinsey]

He had given him himself like some type of indigestion from holding in laughter all day. Oh, well, you guys, this was very hard to watch without laughing for all of us. And if you go to 1 minute, 11 seconds, Phyllis had to put her head down because she was laughing so hard.

[Jenna Fisher]

The shot of the bullpen reacting. Yeah. Was so funny to me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there is a lot in this episode that we could not get through. Oh man. The conference room. We'll get there.

[Jenna Fisher]

I think we should get to the party planning committee now because they have been very busy decorating the conference room for the shower. Yeah, they have two bowls of M and Ms.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I talked to Aaron about this and I said, who came up with Astrid and Chevy? And he said Astrid was definitely Greg. He thought it'd be funny to see that name on an M and M. And then Chevy. He couldn't remember who came up with that. He said he thinks the room kind of pitched names.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's funny. When I saw the bowls of M and Ms. With the names, that was like a really popular thing. It might still be popular where you can get these personalized MMs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I went to the website. It's still a whole thing. High school graduation anniversaries. And I did this for my parents, my parents anniversary. I got M and Ms. With their names on it.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, when we did the Jim and Pam wedding episode, Greg threw the cast a viewing party that was kind of like a little mini reception. And he had bowls of M and Ms. That said Jim and Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

He clearly was a big fan.

[Jenna Fisher]

He loved that you could personalize an M. I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, they've gotten the name wrong though. The party planning committee has ass turd. Phyllis is like, that can't be right. Angela's like, michael wrote down ass turd. Michael said, yeah, it's like the name of a Viking princess. So of course I had to research Astrid. I didn't research Asturd. And he is right. Michael is right. According to the Internet, Astrid Has Norse, Danish, and Swedish roots. It can mean godly strength or divine beauty. And the name Astrid has been used by Norway's royal family for hundreds of years.

[Jenna Fisher]

You know, Michael is annoyed by their effort. He says, phyllis, we gave you a whole golden shower. I want my golden shower.

[Angela Kinsey]

He does. And then he has this talking head where he says he's going to love this baby, even if it isn't his. Like that dog that nursed the tiger cub. Right. Bizarre, but also beautiful. It happens, Jenna. I looked it up, and there are so many stories of dogs nursing tigers, but the one that caught my eye was on the Today show in August of 2008.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's when we shot this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. And there was a safari park in Kansas with a white tiger named Sassy.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who had cubs, but she was too sassy to nurse them. Okay, so a golden retriever stepped in. Isabella.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, I would expect that from a golden retriever. I really would. What a good dog.

[Angela Kinsey]

Anyway, it just cracked me up that on the Today show, there was a whole thing about Sassy and Isabella, and I think it ended up in our episode.

[Jenna Fisher]

Clearly it did.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael is going to bark orders at Phyllis. She's doing a talking head. I was supposed to be glaring at her in the background. And if you go to 4 minutes, 11 seconds, you can see me talking to Andy. And I'm so delighted that Phyllis is messing up. And then Michael walks in and kind of yells at her and says, make the party. Make the party. And then he leaves, and Phyllis starts pumping the balloon. Well, Steve improvised walking back in and saying, pump it, puppet.

[Jenna Fisher]

He did.

[Angela Kinsey]

He did. That was all improv. We just started cracking up.

[Jenna Fisher]

I thought I could see you starting to break in the background of that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Phyllis is starting to break, too.

[Jenna Fisher]

So now Jim is at his desk, and Pam is trying to tell him this story.

[Angela Kinsey]

I loved this. It was so funny when she's like, Sarah Kaya comes in. And he goes, oh, wait, Sarah Kaya comes in. And she's like, no, Sarah Kaya comes and in. And then at the very end of the scene when Dwight's like, who? Sarah Kaya comes in. That was improvised. Rain. Rain improvised that. That's not in the script.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, my gosh. I watched this, and I feel like I have had these conversations. Yes, 100%. And I love the line when she's like, why can't you just be in art school with me? Because she's trying so hard to tell him the story. And, you know, this is the beginning of this storyline. With Jim and Pam, where we're gonna show that this distance has gone on for a while and maybe they're not connecting as easily as they used to.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, long distance relationships are hard, and particularly when the people involved in your new life, the other person doesn't know, and it's kind of hard to keep track.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, yes. I mean, we experience this all the time when we go on locations or. I remember Lee went on location to shoot a movie, and he was directing a film, and. And he's trying to tell me this hilarious story about some prop mishap that happened, and everyone was laughing about these prop glasses, and I'm just like, I don't know who any of these people are. And what's really hard about it is that I like to be able to imagine the people or where they are. And we've talked about this. When we get to a new place, we're like, send me a video of where you are so that when I'm talking to you, I know what your little apartment looks like. Or I know what your room is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I have to have that. Otherwise I'm a little unsettled because I can't picture where you are.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. So I feel like that's what Pam and Jim are up against right now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He doesn't know her world, and it's some of that location situation kind of stuff.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love the next scene. I love it so much. Angela is preparing this poster board full of baby photos because they're going to play a game where you have to guess which baby photo belongs to which employee. And Andy comes in and he mistakes Phyllis's baby photo for Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fisher]

Will you please tell me about shooting this scene, Angela?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, one of the reasons I storm off is because I started to laugh. I could tell that was me trying to get out of there before you saw me laughing on camera. So here's the thing. Greg directed this episode, right. And he said, you guys, can you bring in your actual baby photos? And he said, if you don't have a baby photo, it could be like when you're a toddler. Just, can I get photos of you guys when you were little? And we did, Right?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. We got a lot of fan mail about that. Were these actual photos of the cast? They were, yeah. There's three people who aren't on the poster. Me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fisher]

John and Steve.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everyone else is an actual baby photo

[Jenna Fisher]

from their childhood, including Amy Ryan. She's up there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And so was Mindy. I mean, we're all on the board. We're all on the board. Jenna, what did I bring in today? Do you want to share with them?

[Jenna Fisher]

You brought in your baby photo, the one that was on the board with your little hand up on your little chubby cheek.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, I know, you guys, it's really me. I get asked this all the time. And my mom, I called my mom and I said, mom, we're doing the baby shower episode, and it's my baby photo, and I want to know everything about it. She said, oh, I have several more of that same day where we put you in different poses.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

So there's more. But here's what my mom said. She took me to JCPenney's at the Acadiana shopping mall in Lafayette, Louisiana. I was around six months old, and apparently I was born with just a ton of hair, and it was sort of an auburn brown. She said I had so much hair just right out of the gate. I had tons of hair. And so she tried to style it for the photo. I was like, mom, you gave me like a mohawk with bangs. So, yeah, she said she had tried to put a little ribbon at the top.

[Jenna Fisher]

That would have made more sense.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. But I don't know, it fell out or something. And then they propped me up on my hand like that.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's so funny because I remember those photo studio photo shoots, that was a thing of my childhood as well. And they would have these carpeted blocks. Yes. And you would, like, be propped up on a little carpeted block.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm propped up because I can't sit yet.

[Jenna Fisher]

Really?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Anyway, there you go. That's my actual baby photo, you guys.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, since mine wasn't on the board, I tell you what. I'll post mine on the office ladies pod. So you can see me as a baby, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And I'll ask my mom if she can find any other photos from that particular photo shoot, please.

[Jenna Fisher]

As Michael is preparing for Jan's arrival, he needs to tell Holly that he's going to be kind of cold to her today because he needs to protect Jan's feelings.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jan's bloated feelings.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. Yeah. Because Jan is going to come in. She's going to be so unattractive, and

[Angela Kinsey]

Holly is very attractive.

[Jenna Fisher]

And, yeah, he just wants to be sensitive, so he warns her. But then Jan arrives.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's not pregnant. She has a baby, and she looks amazing. Yeah, but she's had the baby.

[Jenna Fisher]

We had a fan question from Brittany Y, Sarah M. And many more. Who is the baby that played Astrid? I will tell you. Thanks. To jamesapedia. First of all, you know, babies are played by many babies. Sometimes they're a set of twins. Like in the case of cece. Cece was this set of twins, and it was the same twin girls all through the show. They were absolute sweethearts, and I loved them. But sometimes, especially with a baby this little, it's like three. Three babies, Five babies. Lots of babies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Philip was several different babies. And then a different toddler.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. So this is because there are rules about babies working on a set. They can only work for, like, 20 minutes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I think that's a good thing.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. Also, if you have a baby and one of them's fussy, you can swap them out for a different baby. They're all dressed the same. You go backstage and there's, like, six babies in the same outfit. So Astrid was played first by a set of twins and another baby. Here's the crazy thing. The twins names were Matthew and Joey Levinson.

[Angela Kinsey]

Crazy, right? And they were playing Jan Levinson's baby.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. The other baby was Harvey Green. So her babies were the Levinson Green babies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

All right. And then that was on one day. The other day, we had a set of triplets playing Astrid. They were Chase Chloe and Juliet Purcell. So those are all the babies. We also had a fake baby.

[Angela Kinsey]

We did have a fake baby. Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

And it's really funny because if you look at the call sheet scene by scene, it'll say real baby or fake baby, like what we're using in the scene. And they would stagger them. Right. Because the babies could only work for 20 minutes. So you'd have a scene with a real baby and then a scene with fake baby.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Michael walks out of the kitchen and he sees Jan with the baby. I can't imagine how he felt. He'd been to all of his birthing classes with her. And then he was sort of left out of this big moment, and he confronts Jan about it. This is one of my favorite couplets of dialogue from the whole episode.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so rich. Michael says, why didn't you call me? I could have helped. Jan said, well, the birth instructor thought it wasn't a good idea for you to be there. So Michael says, ah, man, him, that guy, he had no sense of humor. And I proved him wrong in so many ways. And it just made me think about these classes. I wish we could have seen Michael trying to do comedy bits with, like, a birthing instructor. I would have loved to seen that scene.

[Jenna Fisher]

I think what Jan has done to Michael is So cruel. I know that she didn't call him. And also in that scene, Jan is like, michael, you don't know what I have been through. And he said, no, no, I don't. And I love Steve's delivery on that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I guess she feels bad and she lets him hold the baby, but says the baby has to stay in the car seat. And then Michael has this very sweet talking head where he says he loves babies and he tries to pick them up and hold one every day. It just nourishes him. And then we see this really sweet montage of Michael and babies. And the babies love him.

[Jenna Fisher]

They really do. Well, that's because it's Steve Carell is holding the babies. I know. I mean, not to say that they wouldn't have loved Michael, but Steve is a natural with kids.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fisher]

We had a fan question from Evan L. And Stacy M. In the scenes where Michael is holding all the babies, were those hired actors or did the crew just go out and let people line up to have their baby held by Steve Carell? All of those babies were the children of our writers and our crew. So here is a list of the babies. At nine minutes, you have baby on the street. This is Emma Holland, daughter of our editor, Dean Holland. And that is also Dean's wife, Tasha. At nine minutes, nine seconds, I'm calling this one baby at the bathroom. That baby is Theodore Grandy. The woman is Sage Grande. And this is the son of our writer, Charlie Grande. At 9 minutes, 15 seconds, we have double baby. And that is our writer Mike Schur's wife, J.J. philbin, and their baby, William, along with our camera operator Matt Sohn's wife, Melissa, and their baby, Devin. And the final Baby, at nine minutes, 17 seconds, that is Avery Farrell, the daughter of our writer, Anthony Farrell. The woman was a background performer, but that's Anthony loading the stroller into the car. So we had had kind of like a little mini baby boom on our set. All of these kids were around the same age. I texted with Dean. He said his daughter emma is now 13 years old. And she tells everybody that she's one of the babies on the Office. And Angela, I know you get asked a lot about Isabel because she was right around the same age, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Isabel just had her 13th birthday. There was this baby boom, and it was really fun for us to have our babies on set. And I get asked if she was in this episode, and she wasn't. And you know why? The day they filmed the scene with all the babies was my day off. Oh, And I wanted to be home with my baby, not bringing my baby to work, so I wasn't in it. And they said, don't worry, Angela. We're gonna get Isabel in there. And they did. She ended up having a very fun day on set years later at Cece's dance recital.

[Jenna Fisher]

I can't wait.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, Michael's gonna try to make the best of it. Okay? He is going to present Astrid to the office, and they're gonna go into the conference room.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna. He does the Lion King and holds the car seat over his head.

[Jenna Fisher]

I know. I hope that was fake baby day.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was fake baby. And that was all scripted.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, boy. Well, when we move into the conference room, Kevin is like, you know, the fact that the baby's here kind of ruins the games. And Michael is like, no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. It kind of did.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, the theme is a baby shower, and all the games are for an expecting mother, so it was really awkward. But there are a lot of scenes in this conference room baby shower that didn't make it. I'm going to share a few. The first one is Jenna. One of the funniest things I have had to witness, and we could not get through it. Kevin thinks he might be the sperm donor. And the look on Jan's face is amazing. Sam, can you play that from the deleted scenes?

[Jenna Fisher]

Hey, Jan, you went to a sperm bank?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I did.

[Jenna Fisher]

I donated sperm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fisher]

Ooh. Maybe I'm the father.

[Steve Carell]

Well, this is a highly exclusive establishment next to the ihop.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I paid for an ideal specimen.

[Steve Carell]

Are you saying Kevin is not an ideal specimen?

[Angela Kinsey]

This is a wonderful shower, everyone.

[Jenna Fisher]

Thank you. I might have done it with Jan.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not Kevin. We could not get through it. Whenever Brian said. You mean the one by ihop? Just every single time. Because Melora's reaction as Jan was so good. And then, you know, she says she paid for premium sperm, which we learned might have been anti rotics. I love.

[Jenna Fisher]

There are so many deleted scenes about who the father of Jan's baby is. We've got Andy Roddick, maybe Kevin. There's a lot of speculation that it's Hunter.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fisher]

And none of these scenes actually made it into the episodes. So what do you think about that? Do you think, like, if something didn't make it in, it counts? Or does it not count if it doesn't make it in the episode?

[Angela Kinsey]

So, yeah, what is the canon?

[Jenna Fisher]

Right. Yes, exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Of the show? Well, I guess it would have to be what aired Right.

[Jenna Fisher]

So then that would mean it's just a mystery.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a mystery. She paid top dollar for it, though.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's what we know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. That's all we know and all we'll ever truly know. And I think the one thing we also know is that it's not Michael's because he had to wear two condoms.

[Jenna Fisher]

We know that. Yeah. We know whose baby it's not.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fisher]

I got this cool letter from Kristen B. She has a background catch. And she said, the first time I watched this episode after having my son, I almost jumped out of my seat when I saw the pink donut pillow on Jan's chair at the baby shower. I had never noticed it prior to giving birth, but after I got one at the hospital myself. I just have to say, this is amazing. And 10 times 10 for attention to detail.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is a great background catch. I noticed it as well.

[Jenna Fisher]

I loved that detail.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did, too. I don't know if you guys also noticed, behind Jan's chair, there's a little table, and on the table is a big bird stuffed animal. There is a deleted scene where Michael tells Phyllis he wants storks. She said she couldn't get storks. And he's like, look, I barely got Jan to even come today. This needs to be a big party. If you can't get a stork, I at least want Big Bird. And the best Phyllis could do is she got a big bird stuffed animal.

[Jenna Fisher]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, that is so great. Well, the group gives Jan her gift. It's a stroller.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think this is a very nice gift.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's a very nice gift because it's a big ticket item. But she's already got a stroller. She has an orbit that Oscar tells us costs $1,200.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Dwight is curious. He's like, I need to see how good this stroller really is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He said his whole bomb shelter bunker thing that he built didn't even cost that much. And he needs to see what the stroller's made of if it's going to cost that much.

[Jenna Fisher]

So, yeah. He wheels the stroller out, and then Jan is going to sing to the baby. Oh, Jenna, how did you get through this? How did you get through it?

[Angela Kinsey]

It was like, bite the inside of your cheek, don't make eye contact with anyone. And also, at the same time, in total awe of Melora.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. Who has an amazing singing voice and performs as a singer. Guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. She has albums.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's an amazing singer. She just owned this moment so wholeheartedly. There is a scene, Jenna, that was in the script that we shot. I remember shooting it because the timing and everything in it was amazing. And so Jan is singing Son of a Preacher Man. She's belting it out, and Ryan comes in urgently to tell her something. She won't stop singing. And I printed out the script here. Jenna, just read right here.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay. So I'm gonna be Ryan.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you guys, forgive my singing. I'm not a singer. Okay?

[Jenna Fisher]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Was the son of a preacher man. Yes, he was.

[Jenna Fisher]

Hey, Jan.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was Jan. Yes, he was.

[Jenna Fisher]

You parked in the handicap session spot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Keys are in my purse.

[Jenna Fisher]

I'll just. I'll take them. Did I do good?

[Angela Kinsey]

You did great. Sorry to make you guys suffer through my singing. Melora was amazing. She never missed a beat. She sang where her keys were. It was amazing.

[Jenna Fisher]

I did a mini deep dive on Son of a Preacher Man.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did you really?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. I think we should take a break and when we come back, I'll tell you what I found.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fisher]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fisher]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fisher]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fisher]

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[Jenna Fisher]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fisher]

Experience the new standard in comfort and support with honeylove. All right, we are back and I'm going to start us off with a fan question from Yvette M. And Alexandra S. Why was the song Son of a Preacher man chosen for Jan to sing to her baby?

[Angela Kinsey]

I asked Aaron who picked this song and Aaron said he isn't sure if Mindy picked it per se, but she was pushing it. He said, I don't remember how exactly it came up in the writer's room, but the minute it was out there, Mindy was like, that's gotta be it. That has got to be it. So I think we have Mindy to thank for that.

[Jenna Fisher]

I got curious about the song so I did a little deep dive on it. Son of a Preacher man was written by John Hurley and Ronnie Wilkins. It was recorded by Dusty Springfield in 1968 and her version is most popular. It's been covered many times by many artists. Here's what I found interesting. Apparently, the rights to record the song were originally offered to Aretha Franklin. She was the daughter of a preacher, and the rumor is that she turned it down because she worried that maybe it might be a little disrespectful. But she changed her mind.

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fisher]

And she recorded a cover version of the song just one year later in 1969, for her album Soul Sister. I had to hear it. Sam, will you play it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Through the backyard we go walking and

[Jenna Fisher]

he look into my eyes

[Angela Kinsey]

the only one who could ever reach me.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's so good, isn't it?

[Angela Kinsey]

She always gives me chills.

[Jenna Fisher]

Dolly Parton also did a cover in 1996 for her album Treasures, and it is also a gem. Do you want to hear that one?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Billy Ray was a preacher's son and when his daddy would be they did he'd come along when they gather round started talking that's when Billy would take me Walking through the backyard we go walking Billy, look into my eyes Lord knows to my surprise the only one

[Jenna Fisher]

who could ever reach me Was the

[Angela Kinsey]

son of a preacher made I mean,

[Jenna Fisher]

I can listen to these women sing anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're legends. Legends. In our podcast today. Do we need to hear Dusties?

[Jenna Fisher]

I think we need to hear Dusties.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, we have to hear Dusties.

[Jenna Fisher]

It's Son of a Preacher man day today.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I just want to hear all of them. I feel so embarrassed that I even attempted to sing it at all to recreate the scene with Ryan. I am so sorry. Billy Ray was a preacher's son and when his daddy would visit he'd come along when they gather around and started talking that's when Billy would take me Walking out through the backyard we go walking then he look into my eyes Lord knows to my surprise the only one who could ever reach me Was the son of a preacher man the only. Oh, so good. All right, all right.

[Jenna Fisher]

Here's what I have to say. Kudos to John Hurley and Ronnie Wilkins. Because when you write a song that can be sung by all of these different people with their different spins on it and their different arrangements, and it

[Angela Kinsey]

still knocks your socks off every time.

[Jenna Fisher]

You have written a good song.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep. One last thing I want to say about Son of a Preacher man is that when Melora sang it, she improvised the snapping. And you know what? It about got me on the floor. We were so trying to suppress laughter. That one more thing was like the tipping point, you know?

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And so as she's swaying and singing, when she just starts doing that snap, I was like, oh, Lord, I'm not gonna make it. I am not gonna make it. There are really great scripted talking heads of people reacting to it. And Stanley had a great one where he was like, I used to like that song.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, Jim is going to try to describe it to Pam. She's at the Laundromat, and she can't hear anything he's saying.

[Angela Kinsey]

Why couldn't she just walk away from the machines?

[Jenna Fisher]

Jenna, you know what? Megan P. Would like to know the answer to that question.

[Angela Kinsey]

Megan is the first thing I thought. She hasn't talked to him all day. She finally has free time. Walk away from the machine.

[Jenna Fisher]

I'll tell you two things. Number one, right before this phone call, there was a bit of the scene that got clipped. Pam is with her friend at the Laundromat, and they are together, and they're talking about a class assignment. And she says, oh, just one second. I'm going to take this call. So maybe she felt like she couldn't walk away. But also, in the script, there is a version where she does walk away from the machines. And the problem is not that the machines are loud. The problem is simply that Pam is not understanding what's so bad about Jan singing to her baby. So it's another kind of, like, miscommunication, like, you had to be there kind of things. But they kept the loud laundry machine version in, I'll have you know, location alert. The Laundromat was Launderland on Sherman Way in North Hollywood, California. I like to throw these out there because there are these office tours where people go around and look at our locations. And so I thought, I don't know if you want to see where Pam did her laundry. That's where.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

So Pam has this talking head at the Laundromat where she says that she's not frustrated. You know, they have these kind of days where they don't connect, even when they're together in Scranton. And then she discovers that she washed her lipstick and it got all over her green towel. You know, I recently washed Lee's wallet and car key.

[Angela Kinsey]

I remember this. You called me and you're like, I washed the keys to the car. His whole, entire wallet.

[Jenna Fisher]

Whole wallet.

[Angela Kinsey]

Whole wallet.

[Jenna Fisher]

And now he couldn't find his wallet for days. He was like, where is my wallet? I can't find my wallet.

[Angela Kinsey]

In the laundry basket.

[Jenna Fisher]

It was in his pocket. Yeah, in the laundry basket. And I didn't check the Pockets. I threw in the laundry. I found it in the dryer. It went through a full wash cycle. A full dryer cycle. I said, babe, I found your wallet.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, did the credit cards. Did it all get melty? Did he have to get everything new?

[Jenna Fisher]

Lady, he went out, he bought some gas, and the credit cards worked well.

[Angela Kinsey]

How about that? So I guess you didn't have it on high heat.

[Jenna Fisher]

No, I did dry on low. And the car key still works because it's one of those little, like. Yeah, it still works.

[Angela Kinsey]

While all of the singing is going on, Dwight decides he's going to put the stroller to the ultimate test.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. We had a fan question from Beth E, Rachel R, Amy F. And Julie G. How many of those strollers did you use for the scenes where Dwight tests its durability? This is why I was on the phone with Phil Shea for an hour yesterday.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, how many did they use?

[Jenna Fisher]

I'll tell you. It started with Phil Shea doing a ton of research to find the perfect stroller for this episode. He said he and Greg had a long talk about how Jan was the kind of person who would have to have the fanciest stroller. In the script, it's written that the stroller is indestructible, and he wanted to find something that would even look out of place in Scranton. So he went on a search for an indestructible luxury stroller, and he found out about the Orbit baby stroller, which was kind of a startup stroller at the time. It launched in September of 2006. So just two years before this episode, it was invented by 2Dads, Brian White and Joseph High. I think it's High Joseph. I'm sorry if I got that wrong. And they made it because Brian had just become a dad, and he said that his back really hurt whenever he was trying to get the baby in and out of the car seat in the car. So in his garage, they made a wooden prototype. They studied all kinds of things, but they also sought to use green materials.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like these fellas.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. And this car seat was cool because Phil said it looked kind of weird, but it also rotates 360 degrees. So Phil was like. It was so cool. Like, if you want to get your baby out of the car and not remove the car seat, you can swivel it, and then you can get your baby out of the car really easy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jenna, you know, Phil Shea had a few extra orbits left over, and I was a new mom on set, and he always was looking out for us. And he said, ang, do you want one of these orbit strollers? They're pretty amazing. And I said, yeah. And that was my favorite thing about it, too. What you just said. You could pivot and it would lock into place. So if you swiveled it, it could face left, right, front, back, and it would lock into place. Not only was it great when you got your baby out of the car seat, what I loved is you could attach it to the stroller. And let's say you're on a walk and the sun is kind of beating down, and you don't want to put the little flap over your baby because your baby wants to be able to see where you're going. You could just pivot. So then the baby could look at everything on the right side of the street or everything on the left side or look at you. It was so great.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love that Phil gave you a stroller and that he gave you a chair from work bus.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fisher]

Do you have any more things?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sure I do.

[Jenna Fisher]

Maybe your memory will be jogged as

[Angela Kinsey]

we go along, as we go through the episodes.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, Phil said that he called Brian on the phone and he was like, listen, I've researched your stroller, and I want to put it on the television show the Office. And he told him the storyline, and Brian agreed to send us 10 strollers. And then Brian flew out and watched the taping. Phil also said the stroller really was indestructible.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's not kidding. There are so many deleted scenes of rain as Dwight doing things to that stroller, and the stroller just keeps on trekking.

[Jenna Fisher]

There's way more. Phil told me that one of his favorite things to do was to reach out to these smaller companies that didn't normally do national advertising and feature their products on the show or collaborate with them. And he said another one of the reasons that you saw all of the local foods or the local sodas on the Office was because one of our characters is eating, like, lay's potato chips. That could be a conflict with maybe another big national potato chip brand that would have a national commercial running during our show. So we weren't allowed. So his choice was he could. Could tape overlays or create a fakie bag.

[Angela Kinsey]

Chip bag.

[Jenna Fisher]

Right. He said. But what he liked to do was feature products, local products, like a hers chip, a smaller company that is not going to be in competition for these national spots. And that's another way that he focused in on the orbit. He would try to find these companies that could be approved Well, I love

[Angela Kinsey]

that because, you know, we love supporting small business.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah, well, the Orbit stroller is still available, and it is now a big business. I saw online you can get one at Nordstrom.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jan is done singing. She's pooped out.

[Jenna Fisher]

I mean, all that singing is going to tire you out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. She wants to take a nap. She gives the baby to Michael, and she says, when I wake up, I want to talk to you about Astrids529, which I looked up. It's like a savings plan for college.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So what? Michael has to go to all the birthing classes, but he doesn't get to be there for the birth of the baby, and now he's going to contribute to the college?

[Jenna Fisher]

That's what it sounds like.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jan needs to go. Bye. Bye.

[Jenna Fisher]

I agree. Well, Michael only holds the baby for a short time. He's not feeling that connection. And he gives the baby to Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

First, Michael has to go to the warehouse. He needs some advice from Daryl. We had a fan question from Ethan B. Did Steve improvise the moment when he asks if he can hold Daryl? They get on this runner where Daryl's like, do you want to hold this? Do you want to hold that and see if you have a connection? Do you want to hold me? No, you guys, that was in the script. That whole scene was scripted just like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jan is still sleeping in the deleted scenes. She's, like, snoring, and everyone's looking at her. She's covered herself with the plastic tablecloth from the shower. And she wakes up and has a pretty amazing exchange with Hollywood where she

[Jenna Fisher]

realizes what we have realized, which is that Holly has a little bit of Michael Scott in her. Yeah, she's making some real Michael Scott jokes here.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Jana's like, oh, I get it. Funny. But Astrid is now with Angela and Andy.

[Jenna Fisher]

I love the scene so much. Angela, please tell me everything about putting all these vegetables on this baby.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right. They had the table completely laid out. They had it all staged. They had the mom with the baby in the wings standing right there. And literally right before action, the mom put the baby down. And then I just put that big, giant fake piece of lettuce on the baby. It was really hard for me because I was a new mom, and I just was like, okay, I just want to do this so fast. I want to do the scene so quickly. And then it was so hard for me as a mom to not really connect with the baby at all and just say, like, I needed to look up here, make it look up here.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

But it's such a window into Angela. You know, she was a pageant baby. She dresses up her cats.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

I feel like her kids are going to be dressed up a lot for all kinds of photos. And Andy is on board.

[Jenna Fisher]

I always imagined that Angela dressed Philip in, like, the little knee socks and shorts and suspenders with the little Peter Pan collar that you always see little Prince George wearing. That's how I imagine Philip dresses.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. And I also imagine that Angela had, like, a little sailor suit for him.

[Jenna Fisher]

For sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sailor hat.

[Jenna Fisher]

100%.

[Angela Kinsey]

All of that.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jan comes in as Andy and Angela are having their and Geddes moment, creating this baby salad photo. And she is not happy.

[Jenna Fisher]

No. She's irritated, and she wants to go.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's done.

[Jenna Fisher]

She's done. She finds Michael in the kitchen, and she's ready to go. And Michael insults Holly again. I guess we failed to mention that throughout this whole episode. Every time Michael, Holly, and Jan are together, Michael just keeps, you know, insulting her. When Holly was going to go into the conference room, he's like, ugh. HR now, he says, she smells like rotten tomatoes and dirt. And dirt.

[Angela Kinsey]

She smells like tomatoes and dirt.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what? Jan sees all of it. Jan knows what Michael's doing, and he walks her out to the car. And as she's putting the baby in the car seat, she turns around. She's like, there is one more thing you could do for me. And he's like, what? And she says, don't date Holly.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he's like, why would I hate her? Why would I? You know? And he clearly likes her.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. Jan leaves. She leaves the stroller that was gifted to her.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. So tacky.

[Jenna Fisher]

So tacky.

[Angela Kinsey]

Tacky.

[Jenna Fisher]

Jan, what was the point of the baby shower?

[Angela Kinsey]

That she could get a nap and maybe get some money out of Michael for a college fund.

[Jenna Fisher]

That's what it was.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fisher]

Well, Michael is going to go upstairs,

[Angela Kinsey]

and he finds Holly, and she says, are you going to still be mean to me?

[Jenna Fisher]

And he just gives her a hug.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's the warmest, most intimate hug. It's so intimate.

[Jenna Fisher]

Amy Ryan is so great. Her eyes just fill with tears. And then Michael has this talking head where he says he didn't feel much when he held Astrid, but he. He got a good feeling when he held Holly.

[Angela Kinsey]

He asked her out on a date, a real official date.

[Jenna Fisher]

She says, yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

She sure does. So we're ending with a little love connection there. But now Jim and Pam are both trying to call each other at the same time, and they miss each other.

[Jenna Fisher]

They both go to voicemail at the same time. And I remember Greg talking to me about this scene. I just loved this idea that we're going to hear each side of their voicemail message and you're going to see they really are connected. They both recall this same story about the time that, you know, some man came into the laundromat and Jim had to save Pam, and then they bought a washer dryer. They're recalling the same event, and at the end, they both say, I guess this was just one of those days. I miss you. I wish you were home.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Aaron shared with me that he was just so curious how this scene would turn out. Because you guys filmed it in two different locations. You didn't have the other person there?

[Jenna Fisher]

No, I couldn't hear John. It was like I was really leaving a message.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And so you guys were just in this vacuum, separate. And then in editing, they were going to find the moment and create it. And he just sort of marveled at how the whole thing came together and just so perfectly.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes. Well, I had to really imagine in my head, as an actor, that I was just leaving a message. So in the script, I could see how our dialogue was going to alternate and sync up. But I put that out of my mind, and I just did my half without thinking of John's lines in my head at all. Right. And we filmed it like a monologue.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, I loved it. I thought it was really sweet. And it also made me a little sad because you can tell the distance is starting to take a toll.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. Well, that ends the episode. But, Angela, I just realized I skipped a fan question.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fisher]

And I don't want to leave Evan L. Hanging.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, Evan.

[Jenna Fisher]

Evan wrote in to say, at 17 minutes, 30 seconds, was that really rain driving around with the stroller tied to the back of the car, or was that a stunt driver? Well, we had a stunt driver. His name was Sean Crowder. We also had a stunt coordinator named Wally Crowder. And so Sean did the driving parts. Now, you know, there were some shots of rain inside the car, but the other stuff, that was a stunt driver.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. We would often do the driving that was just sort of like where you pull up and stop.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

But then if there was, like, aggressive driving, that's when the stunt driver would take over.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I loved this episode. I thought it was so good and layered with so much heartfelt stuff. And before we say goodbye, I have a little bit of trivia for you. Okay, according to BabyCenter.com here are the top girl and boy names in 2008.

[Jenna Fisher]

Oh, from when we did this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. Any guesses for the girl?

[Jenna Fisher]

Emma.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. You got it.

[Jenna Fisher]

I was thinking maybe because of the Friends baby.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Rachel had Emma really put that name on the map. Guess what the boy name was. I guessed Emma for the girl like you, but I did not guess right for the boy name.

[Jenna Fisher]

Liam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aiden. Aiden. Aiden was the top boy name.

[Jenna Fisher]

Was that from Sex and the City?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I guessed Jack. Okay, he was in the top five. But Aiden and Emma. Well, there it is. You've learned some new baby showers. The Sip and See M&M's are still printing names.

[Jenna Fisher]

Yeah. And the Orbit stroller is actually really good.

[Angela Kinsey]

And emma and aiden 2008 babies, where are you now?

[Jenna Fisher]

I would love it if an Emma and Aiden got married.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well, that was baby shower.

[Jenna Fisher]

We'll see you next week.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bye you guys.

[Jenna Fisher]

Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Second Drink this episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fisher]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. Our senior producer is Matt Beagle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our second Drinks episodes are produced by Molly Nugent.

[Jenna Fisher]

Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese.

[Jenna Fisher]

Dennis. Office Ladies was mixed and matched mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

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