Second Drink: Branch Wars

Summary

Office Ladies: Second Drink – "Branch Wars"

Podcast: Office Ladies
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Episode: Second Drink: Branch Wars
Date: January 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this "Second Drink" episode, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey break down the iconic The Office episode "Branch Wars" (Season 4, Episode 10). They revisit the episode's hilarious hijinks, including Michael, Dwight, and Jim's infamous road trip to Utica, Karen’s return, behind-the-scenes stories, prop details, and the creation of the beloved Finer Things Club. The hosts mix in listener questions, deleted scenes, production factoids, and their signature lighthearted, candid banter, making this rewatch both insightful and entertaining.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. General Episode Recap

• Karen Returns: Karen is now regional manager of Utica and tries to poach Stanley from Scranton.
• Michael’s Response: Michael (with Dwight) plots revenge, enlisting Jim in a prank mission to Utica.
• Finer Things Club: Pam, Oscar, and Toby form an exclusive club celebrating books, art, and culture at lunch.
• Andy’s Exclusion: Attempts (and fails) to join the club, which becomes a running gag.

2. Iconic Behind-the-Scenes Details & Fun Facts

• Misattribution Mix-Up: The hosts banter about the “Hit me with your summary” intro, with Angela admitting she often sings Pat Benatar’s “Hit Me with Your Best Shot,” even though she mistakenly attributed it to Joan Jett.
  Angela: "I hear Joan Jett." (11:34)
  Jenna: "Sonja said, ladies, we must not mix up our 80s hard rock godmothers." (03:30)

• Prop Perfection: Shoutout to Phil Shea, the prop master, for including Utica’s authentic Holland Farms donuts and Half Moon cookies in the Utica office.
  Angela: “That bakery is a staple—she put staple in all caps—of Utica and Mohawk Valley culture.” (03:56)

• Location Trivia: The Utica branch was filmed in a real Canoga Park business park, not a soundstage, with set dressing transported and recreated by the design team.
  Jenna: “Our set decorators just went in and decorated it to be Dunder Mifflin Utica.” (13:24)

• In-depth on Dunder Mifflin Branches:

  • Headquarters: New York
  • Active branches: Akron, Nashua, Rochester, Syracuse, Utica, Scranton
  • Closed branches mentioned: Pittsfield, Camden, Yonkers, Buffalo, Binghamton
  • Michael’s deleted scene summary:
    "Utica is Snoozeville. Albany are the prepsters. Nashua no parking. Akron is haunted. Camden is in a basement. Yonkers has the two hot girls. And here in Scranton, we are the cool guys." (18:28)

3. Finer Things Club Mania

• Production: The montage was filmed in a single day, changing costumes and table setups between shots.
  Jenna: "We took a whole morning ... and we would dress up in our little outfit, and they would set up the break room for one bit, and then we would film it and go back to our trailers, change clothes ... until we had all of the different montage pieces." (34:13)

• Book & Art List:

  • A Room with a View (E.M. Forster) (35:22)
  • House of the Spirits (Isabel Allende)
  • Memoirs of a Geisha (Arthur Golden)
  • Angela’s Ashes
  • Painting: Painting in His Studio Boat by Edouard Manet (not Monet!) (35:57)
  • Fun fact: Angela wrote to Wayfair to correct them for mislabeling Manet’s painting. (36:31)

• Club Dynamics:

  • Only Pam, Oscar, and Toby are admitted; Andy is waitlisted in deleted scenes (68:09)
  • Angela (character) is annoyed clubs aren’t party-planning sanctioned.
  • Bloopers and deleted talking heads highlight rivalries and Andy’s desperate rush to get in the club.

4. The Utica Prank Capers

• Jim’s Dilemma: Dragged along under false pretenses, resists shenanigans (copier theft, silly string, potential “stink bombs”).
• Fakie Staches: Multiple mustaches were matched to actors after photo evaluations by the writers and director Joss Whedon. (50:13-51:14)
• Infamous Car Scene:
  • Features Dwight peeing in a can (“You’re making me spray!”—Angela, quoting Dwight, 49:15).
  • Multiple bloopers: Frequent breaks for laughter, especially at Dwight’s crude lines.
  • Jenna: "Just imagine being in a car together. These three comedic actors at the top of their game. I mean, brilliant." (50:13)
• Walkie-Talkie Scene: Actually performed live for authenticity—John Krasinski broke repeatedly at Steve Carell and Rainn Wilson’s improv.

5. Karen & Jim’s Awkward Reunion

• Confrontation: Karen calls out Jim post-breakup, reasserting her own empowerment as branch manager. (59:05)
• Meta:
  • Rashida Jones returned from Parks and Rec for this episode due to creator Mike Schur’s crossover help. (60:52)
  • Easter egg: Karen's office features a framed photo of Hillary Clinton—possibly a nod to Leslie Knope from Parks and Rec. (60:20)
• Deleted Scene Highlight: Pam gets passive-aggressive about Karen (“You have fun with your girlfriend!”—Pam, 54:41), cut to keep Pam’s characterization more grounded.

6. Finer Things Club, Office Annoyances & Tidy Endings

• Break Room Chaos: Microwaves, beeping, butts, and Pop "Carn" (corn) interrupt the club’s attempts at refinement—with everyone’s quirks on hilarious display.
  Angela: "How many buttons is Phyllis hitting?" (62:24)
• Stanley’s “Resignation":
  • Stanley never intends to leave; just bluffing for a raise.
  • Michael’s classified ad for a replacement: "Wanted: middle-aged Black man with sass. Big butt, bigger heart." (64:37)
• Pam & Jim: Pam apologizes for the Utica incident via her friend connection with Rolando from Utica reception—fans catch minor continuity with “Lecture Circuit” later.
• Finer Things Club Reading List: Inspired by the episode, Jenna and Angela consider reading House of the Spirits for their own book club. (37:59)
• Andy’s Wait List: Andy (in deleted scenes) tries to “donate” his way into the club—he’s thrilled to be put on the waitlist, paralleling his Cornell experience. (68:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the mustache process:
  “They just had a tray of a bunch of different mustaches. And yes, they got Greg’s approval. They talked to Joss Whedon, the director. They talked to Mindy Kaling, and they picked the mustaches for each of these guys to wear.” – Jenna (51:14)
• On the car prank scene:
  “That sound is Dwight peeing in a can in the backseat... Michael starts swerving, and Dwight’s like, ‘You’re making me spray!’” – Angela (49:15)
• On Finer Things Club setup:
  “How much stuff do you have to bring to work on the day that you guys meet? There is a three-tiered tray of sandwiches, a tablecloth, flatware, the teapot, the cups...” – Angela (51:48)
• Karen, empowered:
  “I cried for weeks over that guy. So, yeah, it felt pretty good seeing him in this situation.” – Rashida Jones as Karen (59:05)
• Dwight’s wisdom:
  “The eyes are the groin of the head.” – Dwight (56:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Summary & 80s Song Mixup: 03:10 – 03:35
• Utica Bakery Prop Discussion: 03:56 – 04:49; 24:33 – 25:35
• Mindy Kaling’s Award Nomination & Achievements: 12:06 – 13:12
• Utica Office Filming Details: 13:21 – 15:26
• Full List of Dunder Mifflin Branches & Deleted Michael Talking Head: 17:07 – 18:46
• Finer Things Club Montage & Reading List: 34:13 – 37:26
• Karen & Jim’s Awkward Meeting: 59:05 – 60:20
• Dwight Pees in a Can, Bloopers: 49:11 – 50:13
• Andy’s Finer Things Club Rejection (Deleted Scenes): 68:07 – 68:40

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Final Thoughts

This "Second Drink" deep dive into "Branch Wars" beautifully blends Office trivia, nostalgia, and friendship. Jenna and Angela’s playful rapport—peppered with listener shoutouts, guilty confessions, deleted scene reenactments, and stories about donuts and mustaches—create a lively celebration of one of The Office’s most beloved episodes. Whether you’re a longtime fan or watching for the first time, this podcast episode will make you appreciate the meticulous craft and everyday absurdity behind The Office.

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Next Up: "Survivorman" – and perhaps, the launch of the real-life Finer Things Club with House of the Spirits as their first book!

Transcript

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[Angela Kinsey]

Hey there.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Same to you lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm excited that we're kicking off the new year on Office Ladies with breakdowns of the paper.

[Angela Kinsey]

Same here. You know, I've really enjoyed watching them and sort of getting to know their whole world and breaking them down. And we're getting so many great contributions from the cast and crew. So I really feel like we are getting some insider scoop.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know everybody I'm excited for Wednesday, so you can hear our first breakdown.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, let's jump into our tidbits for our second drink of Branch Wars. This is the episode where Karen is trying to steal Stanley from the Scranton branch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Uh huh. And it's also the Finer Things Club.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So now this podcast episode starts with me saying, I'm gonna hit you with a summary. And Angela, you say that every time. I say that, you sing in your head. Hit me with your summaries.

[Angela Kinsey]

Every time. Come on and hit me with your summaries. Sorry. Okay, go on.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, we got mail about it, lady. So Sonia G. Said, ladies, I love your podcast, but I must point out that Hit Me with youh Best Shot. Updated as Hit Me with youh Summaries. It's by Pat Benatar.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, what did I say?

[Jenna Fischer]

You said Joan Jett.

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And Sonja said, ladies, we must not mix up our 80s hard rock godmothers.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I know. It's Pat Benatar, of course.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh. But I agree with you. I'm like, sure, Joan Jett. Like, we missed it, lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Sonya, thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love both of those ladies.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, both Joan Jett and Pat Benatar were on my inspirational playlists for New Year's Rev and Ashland Avenue. I love them both.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Well, I have a fan catch from Amber L. She says, quote, not technically a question, but a prop catch in one of the opening scenes of the episode when the camera focuses in on the reception desk in the Utica office, there is a box on the counter. It is a Holland Farms box. That bakery is a staple. And she put staple in all caps of Utica and Mohawk Valley culture. They have amazing donuts and Half Moon cookies. Very different from black and Whites. And she grew up in the Utica area and loved this attention to detail that getting that specific box required.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, first off, amazing attention to detail, like Amber said. I noticed that Amber sent us a link to these Half Moon cookies, and I was gonna surprise us by buying the cookies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

But I didn't.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because I looked at the website and 12 cookies cost $55.95. That felt like a lot to me. Am I crazy? That's a lot for a dozen cookies, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. How big are these cookies?

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, they look like normal sized cookies. Maybe this is just the cost to ship them across the country. Like, if you go in person, they're not as much.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right, right.

[Jenna Fischer]

But. But it did get me thinking. Maybe I should have done it because I have shipped Myself, imo's Pizza from St. Louis on dry ice before. Like, I did it for Christmas Eve one year. I did it for my birthday one year. So I have shipped myself a hometown treat. You know it's not inexpensive, right? So if you want this hometown treat, you can get it. Have you ever done that? Have you ever.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. There is a smoked turkey. That is the best damn smoked turkey you're ever gonna have.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's from this little, like, mom and pop place in Texas. And when we host Thanksgiving, we get that turkey.

[Jenna Fischer]

You do?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sometimes you need that taste of home.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, finally, Angela, we got two letters about John Krasinski's accent that I have to share.

[Angela Kinsey]

Really?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Stacy. S. Said, first off, I want to say I love, love your podcast. I've been a fan from the very beginning. I also love hearing about how close a friendship you two have, and I find it so sweet. Anyway, I wanted to bring up from this episode that there is a scene where Jim is in the car, and it's right before Karen catches him, and he says, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And you can totally hear his Boston accent. Did he do that on purpose or was it a slip? Either way, it was really funny. All right, Stacy. I grabbed an audio clip. I'm gonna be honest. I don't hear it. So I backed up this clip for two reasons. One, I just wanted to give it a little bit of a Runway. But also, my favorite part of this episode is this exchange on the walkie talkie when Dwight and Michael are trying to steal the copier and Jim is trying to discourage them from doing these shenanigans. It just makes me happy. So we're gonna listen to that, and it's gonna lead into the oh, my God, oh, my God. That Stacey is talking about.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we're gonna see if we hear the Boston accent.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. It'll be at the end.

[Sam]

All right, Great Scott. If you found that choking hazard poster, just head on home.

[Jenna Fischer]

We got something far better. Their crown jewel. Their industrial copier.

[Sam]

Isn't that thing huge?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's enormous. But it's got wheels. We're wheeling it down the hall into the stairwell. Get the car ready. Keep the engine running.

[Sam]

No, that is a terrible idea. Don't do this.

[Jenna Fischer]

My hip bone. We're wedging between the guppy and the railing. Ow. God. Gall him. I like. Jim. Leave us. Jim, help. Leave us. No, save yourself. Don't leave us. Help us. We need help. Jim.

[Sam]

Okay, first of all, stop using my Name. And second of all, you got to move out. Damn it, guys, strike Ch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Move over a little bit. I'm losing control of my bladder.

[Sam]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Karen is back.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is that Karen? Take her to a motel. Make love to her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Chip.

[Sam]

No, I'm not.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You hear it?

[Angela Kinsey]

I hear it because he goes, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Yeah. All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

I totally hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Excellent. Well, next up, we got this letter from Megan L. Who said, quote, I emailed this question, but I'm resubmitting it here in hopes of a season four second drink episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Megan, you've stuck with it for a bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. How was John Krasinski's Irish accent? So. And why was it in the episode? Did the writer want him to do it? Did he have to practice? Is it something he was already good at? Did John want to do it? His accent was just really impressive.

[Angela Kinsey]

Megan, Megan, Megan.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is just John. He is notoriously good at accents.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He's like a parrot.

[Jenna Fischer]

He is a great mimic.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And he's just really funny with that. He gets the timing. He gets the nuance of the accent.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And basically, once the writers knew this about John, we just started writing it into a lot of episodes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And that's what our writers would do. They would discover sort of like our little hidden talents and just sprinkle them in. Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, everyone, that's all we got. Now here is your second drink of Branch Wars. Have a great Monday, and we'll see you Wednesday for a new episode of Office Lady 6.0.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope you have a wicked good time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together, and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Rewatch podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week, we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office Ladies. Get out your fakie stashes, everybody, because it's time for Branch Wars.

[Angela Kinsey]

Fakie stache day on Office Ladies.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's season four, episode ten, written by Mindy Kaling and directed by Joss Whedon. There's so much good fake stash. Stash is lingo for mustache.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Jenna, thank you. Thank you for breaking that down for us.

[Jenna Fischer]

I wanted to break it down. I break down everything on Office Ladies. It's what we do. I'm going to hit you With a summary. Guys, Karen is back. She is now the regional manager of the Utica branch, and she offers Stanley a higher paying job to leave school. Guess what Michael's reaction is to that?

[Angela Kinsey]

He flips out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, very much so. Meanwhile, Pam, Oscar, and Toby have created a Finer Things club. Ooh, it's Finer Things Club.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're so excited.

[Jenna Fischer]

Andy tries to join, but he's rejected. And Michael and Dwight trick Jim into going on a sales call, but they actually take him to Utica to prank Karen as a revenge for trying to poach Stanley. That's a lot.

[Angela Kinsey]

This was a big episode for us. I mean, anytime we traveled, you know, it was a big deal. This is something I have to say to you. I have to get this off my chest. Jenna, there's been a few times that you say, I'm gonna hit you with a summary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay?

[Angela Kinsey]

And every time, the only thing going through my brain is, hit me with a summary. I'm gonna hit you with a summary.

[Jenna Fischer]

What song are you singing?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm trying to sing Hit me with your best shot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I thought you were singing hit me with your summary. Did you hear that? That was Brittany. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, anyway, I hear Joan Jett.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm glad you got that off your chest, because God forbid you would have had to carry that through this whole podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know what? It was weighing on me, and I feel lighter.

[Jenna Fischer]

Good. Fast fact number one. Like I said earlier, this episode was written by Mindy Kaling. This was the seventh episode she had written, and she was nominated for outstanding writing in a comedy series in the 2008 NAACP Image Awards for this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yay, Mindy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yay. When I was looking at Mindy's award history, I found this. What I mean, Mindy has been nominated up and down Emmys and things, and she's winning things. She's celebrated, deservedly so.

[Angela Kinsey]

The lady is very talented.

[Jenna Fischer]

In 2013, Time magazine listed Mindy as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dang, Mindy.

[Jenna Fischer]

You guys have to understand, like, Mindy was on the Office with us, and we're all, like, just getting our hair and makeup done, and she's in her 20s, and we're just being girlfriends. And now she is just a force, just a powerhouse. And we always knew that she was super smart and talented and just. This is awesome. I love that all her dreams have come true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And she's a mom, and I know that was a big dream.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm just so happy for her.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mindy, we love you.

[Angela Kinsey]

We're here for it, Mindy. We're here for it.

[Jenna Fischer]

We will be your girl gang cheering you on.

[Angela Kinsey]

Super proud.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, fast fact number two. Okay, fan question from Ryan, Annika, and Vivian Fruitman. Where did you film the Utica office?

[Angela Kinsey]

Ooh, some Kentopedia comin'. I feel it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, it. It's a location breakdown. So, Ang, you know, we've talked a lot about how oftentimes we would build a temporary set for another office like we built corporate over on our warehouse stages. Mm. Well, Kent told me that the size of the Utica Dunder Mifflin branch was just way too big and way too costly, so they took it on location. They found a business park in Canoga park, and this building had a very large, empty office suite. So our set decorators just went in and decorated it to be Dunder Mifflin Utica. And then they also filmed all the parking lot scenes in that same Canoga park business lot.

[Angela Kinsey]

I remember we were on the road for this episode because it also meant I had a few days off in the middle of the week.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was always very exciting when you would read a script and there were a bunch of characters who went somewhere and you didn't go. You were like, oh, my gosh, doctor's appointments. What else can I do that I can normally never do?

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we did not go to this business park for this episode, but I end up going back in Lecture Circuit because we go back to Utica. That was an episode that was also written by Mindy Kaling. It was crazy, because the set decorators, after they build a set somewhere, we have to leave. They have to break it all down. But before they do, they take detailed pictures, like, just extensive photos of every nook, every desk, every placement of every item on the off chance that we have to go back and recreate it. And that's what they had to do with the Utica branch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. They have these binders. The different departments and hair and makeup do this as well, so that, you know, if there were people that were guest actors in the Utica branch, they match their looks. But also our set designers would do this. And I looked through one of these binders one time, Jenna, and it is so thorough. I was so impressed. Yeah, Just photo after photo after photo.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they take all this stuff and they store it in that big warehouse that we've talked about, and they label it all. It's really crazy.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was very organized, and I liked it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I liked it too. You know, I love Good organization.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know you do.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I know you liked it, Angela, because it involved a lot of bins.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bins. And I love photos. I will look through any photo album. This is a little Kinsey tidbit about myself. I love looking at pictures and I don't need to know the people in them. I remember one time when we were getting married, we were looking at wedding photographers, and they would send us their other albums so we could see their style.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Fascinating. Total strangers. I love it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I have some good follows for you on Instagram.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah? Of just random photo albums?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, it's of wedding photos. I also, by the way, love looking at wedding photos. People are so happy on their wedding day. It's so joyous.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's joyous, Jenna. But then there's also a story. Like, every wedding has, like, you know, the drunk uncle or the aunt who's alone on the dance floor. It's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then the way they decorate their table, you know, you'll see. Oh, look, they've got a pair of bicycles on top of their wedding cake. They must love cycling.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, they're the bicycle couple.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, well, hit me up with some Instagrams.

[Jenna Fischer]

I will. You know what, guys, if you are interested, we'll link to it in our stories. I'll link my favorite bridal Instagram follows on Office Ladies Pod. Guys, that was quite a tangent. And also an example of what a phone call might be between Angela and I. Next up is fast fact number three. Since we're talking about the Utica branch, I actually thought this might be a good time to break down the various branches of Dunder Mifflin. Because, lady, I realize we've never done this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, we need to do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

And.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, okay, I. I have something to piggyback off this, but you go first.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, okay. Well, we all know that the headquarters of Dunder Mifflin is in New York. Yes. But there are currently six active regional branches located across the United States. They are in Akron, Ohio, Nashua, New Hampshire, Rochester, Syracuse, and Utica, which are all in New York state. And Scranton, Pennsylvania. Now, the company used to be much larger. You might remember in the Boys and Girls episode, Jan mentioned there used to be a branch in Pittsfield, but it was closed because they tried to unionize. And then in future episodes, we will learn about branches in Camden and Yonkers, which got closed due to the economy. And Buffalo, which was also closed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Buffalo, which was the home of Denise Stims, Angela's party planning committee rival, closes down. Bye. Bye. Denise.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Angela Martin is so happy. And in our final season, we learn that there was also a branch in Binghamton. So there you go.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's a great deleted scene. It's a talking head where Michael goes through the other branches and sort of like gives you a insight on how he remembers them. It's really funny. And Sam, I actually, I would love for you to play it right now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Utica is Snoozeville. Albany are the prepsters. Nashua no parking. Akron is haunted. Camden is in a basement. Yonkers has the two hot girls. And here in Scranton, we are the cool guys. That is amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Yep. He's sort of talking about the fact that, like, why would Stanley want to leave here? We're the cool guys. And then he lists all the other branches. And it just cracked me up. I loved that Nashua no parking. That made me laugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved no parking too. That was my favorite lady. That's all I got.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, those are great fast facts. I can't wait to get in this episode. I have some mini dive on the finer things club.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I love that you mini dived on the finer things club. We will be back right after a break.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Visit turbotax.com today to match with an expert. Real time Updates only in iOS mobile app. All right, well, we are back and there is an establishing shot of the Utica branch office. We see that it is in the Mohawk Valley center. It's the 2400 address, but at 2480 there's Wendell Florists of Utica.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, if you need flowers, we.

[Angela Kinsey]

Share an office with Bob Vance. They have the florist shop next door.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's nice.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is nice. And then at 0.06 seconds, everybody, there is a plant at reception.

[Jenna Fischer]

Utica plant at reception alert.

[Angela Kinsey]

Green leafy plant. It's over Rolando's shoulder, but sitting right in front of him for everyone to enjoy is a big box of donuts.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

What the heck?

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam has a candy dish on her desk. Rolando has some donuts. And we got a lot of mail about these donuts, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did we?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, we did. Clay lafrens, Kaylee Gassner, Zach Mutolo, Amber Lee, Danny Hamilton and many others said those donuts are from Holland Farms, which is an awesome regional bakery in the Utica area.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aww.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're famous for their jelly balls and half moon or black and white cookies. Everyone was very impressed. They said, we just loved whoever did research for this episode that they would dive this deep into Utica and have this amazing promise.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is Phil Shea.

[Jenna Fischer]

Phil Shay. Regional prop alert.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want a jelly ball.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what she said.

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe she doesn't want a jelly ball. So far, Rolando's front reception is kind of kicking Pam's ass.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know what? I've seen donuts in our break room.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm talking about front reception right now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm talking a tiny, tiny container of jelly beans versus a whole amazing box of donuts.

[Jenna Fischer]

We don't know that Rolando put those donuts there. Anyone could have brought those in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, he did.

[Jenna Fischer]

Rolando was played by Adam Jamal Craig. You guys might recognize him because he went on to play Dominic on NCIS Los Angeles. I reached out to him to see if he remembered doing this episode and if he had any memories he could share. And he sent in this awesome audio.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sam, will you play the clip?

[Sam]

Yes. I totally remember, you know, spending a little bit of time shooting that with you guys. And it was. At the time, it was my big break because I, you know, I had done a few co stars, and that. That was, like, that was a big deal. And I just remember when I met the cast, one of the striking things was just how tall everyone was. Like, it's, you know, just a.

[Jenna Fischer]

Just a.

[Sam]

Generally a tall cast that doesn't really translate on screen. But I also remember how kind everyone was. Like, it was just a. It was a really warm set, you know, because a lot of people who don't work in show business don't realize that not every set is a warm set, but that set was a very warm set. Like, everyone was. Was really kind, but, man, it was a good time. And what's funny is, like, I've done things since then. Not long after that, I was on a. It was a series regular on a show, but still, no one cared about that. They all were like, I heard you were on the Office. Like, when I get recognized 99 of the time, it's from the Office, not anything else. And so it was definitely a privilege and a joy to be, like, a part of that production.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw, that is so sweet.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, we did have a tall cast. We've talked a little bit about it. All these guys were really tall.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, we had a lot of tall fellas.

[Jenna Fischer]

We really did. Adam also told me that he had not watched the whole Office series until this last year.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he was like, it is so good. And I said, I know we're rewatching it, and I feel the same way.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was so crazy. Well, guys, Adam has a couple of cool projects he's working on now. One is called the Zouk line, and it's a show about this obscure dance you do with a partner called the Brazilian Zouk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, Angela. If you go to his Instagram, he has all of these amazing dance videos. He also has another show called the Grown up, which is a roundtable discussion about current events, but through the lens that everyone is trying to get along as they talk about current events. I was intrigued. Yeah, you can find both projects on his Instagram mjcraig. So check it out. And thank you, Adam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you, Adam. Well, now we're into Karen's office. I mean, she looks fantastic in this whole Episode I thought, Rasheeda, you looked gorgeous. And her office is so professional. And it cuts back between Karen and Michael's offices. And, I mean, come on. Michael is setting up a Ferris Bueller's prank. His desk is covered with, like, toys. Karen's desk looks like a badass boss lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. An adult works in Karen's office.

[Angela Kinsey]

An adult workspace.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's true. Well, we find out in this phone call that Karen is trying to hire someone from the Scranton branch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. She's like, hey, I'm glad we finally connected. We'd love to have you. And we're like, who's she talking to?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, then we cut to Michael's office, and like you said, he's got a dummy on his desk with this elaborate pulley system.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, this whole pulley with the dummy hand. And it hits the snoring sound. This is what Ferris did. So his parents thought he was home when he went and played hooky.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael is so elated by this. Dwight's excited. Stanley walks in and they're like, oh, Stanley, yes. We're going to test this out on you. And Stanley, just no nonsense. Is like, karen offered me more money. I'm going to Utica. And he walks out.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. He also has that great line where he says, why is you being asleep at your desk better than not being here. We had a fan question from Eric Wilson. I was wondering if you actually had a pulley system or if someone off camera was moving the arm. No, it was a real pulley system.

[Angela Kinsey]

They really built that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, it really worked and it was really funny.

[Angela Kinsey]

And when the hand goes up at the end when Stanley leaves, that really happened.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's my favorite part. It's such a good button to the scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Michael goes out into the bullpen and he breaks the news that Stanley is leaving Scranton for Utica. He's been offered more money. And everybody applauds. Everyone's like, congratulations, Stanley. And Michael's like, no, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, Michael's totally upset. Well, at 2 minutes, 12 seconds, you'll see how they got all of us in the shot. If you look over, the camera whips over to accounting, and we did that thing where we all kind of come out from our desks. And at 2 minutes, 12 seconds, you guys can see my insane outfit, which is like a very floofy blouse with the vest with the cap buttons. And right behind me is the baby jazz poster.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's back up.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's back up. Ooh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is there a deleted scene that explains this?

[Angela Kinsey]

No. 2 minutes, 12 seconds. The baby poster is there.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jazz is back.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jazz is back. And I want the folks that love the background to also catch this moment. 2 minutes, 17 seconds. When Michael announces that Stanley's leaving Phyllis's face. She looks at him. It's so honest. And I'm telling you, in my opinion, Phyllis didn't know. You would think Phyllis and Stanley would have chatted about this, but the way Phyllis chose to play it. Yeah. Was like, Stanley.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Betrayed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, just more like in awe. Like, look at you go, oh, I.

[Jenna Fischer]

Gotta go back and look at that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ooh, now we get into the Finer Things Club. Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love how you are so excited.

[Angela Kinsey]

About it, but did you hear that? This was my struggle, you guys. There's a series of talking heads that were deleted where everyone, like, in the office is reacting to the Finer Things Club. And, like, Meredith is annoyed, Angela's annoyed. I could not say, and I still can't. Finer things. Finer Things Club.

[Jenna Fischer]

You keep wanting to make it plural. You say, finer's. Finer's Things Club.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think this is a Southern thing. My mom does this too. We make things plural when they're not meant to be, and then we make things singular when they're not meant to be. Like my mom. Mom always says, have you seen Office? My daughter's own office instead of the office. Yeah. And then I say Finer Things Club. Anyway, I'm going to put it in our stories because I found it. I could not say Finer things. Finer. Finer Things Club. Dang it. And also, you learn that Angela Martin has been squashing other clubs. And she's really annoyed because the Finer Things Club was not sanctioned by the party planning committee.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. You have to get your club sanctioned.

[Angela Kinsey]

Apparently you have to get them sanctioned by the party planning committee. And she has squashed other renegade groups. Meredith is so mad that she's not asked to be in the Finer Things Club. She has her big gulp from 7:11 that I'm sure is full of adult beverage. Throws it on the ground.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really?

[Angela Kinsey]

People are hot and bothered that they haven't been invited.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here's who's in the club. Pam, Oscar, and Toby. And here's what they do in the Finer Things Club. They celebrate books, art, and culture. But there is no paper, no plastic, and no work talk allowed. Pam says in her talking head, it's very exclusive.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also love Jenna, that we learned that Oscar does not care for Jim's comedy, doesn't care for his bits, because he doesn't want Jim in the club because Jim does comedy bits that really made me laugh. This is the thing I love about our show. There is an assumed history. We don't go into it, but just know that Oscar has had it with Jim's little bits that he does.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I love everything about the Finer Things Club. You know, I was in a book club and we would have themed dinners based on the books. Very similar to what we see the club doing. Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

And by the way, we had a fan question from Jennifer Good. She said, can you talk about how you film a montage like the one with the Finer Things Club? Do you film it all at once and just change your clothes in between to make it look like different days? How does that work? Well, yes, Jennifer, that's exactly what we did. We took a whole morning, and we would dress up in our little outfit, and they would set up the break room for one bit, and then we would film it and we'd go back to our trailers, and while we changed clothes, they would change the set. And we just did that until we had all of the different montage pieces.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And the rest of us got a late start that day. We had late call times. Well, Jenna, here's the Finer Things Club reading list and a little bit about their art and music selection. They are currently reading A Room with a View, which is a novel by E.M. forster. In flashbacks, we see them reading the House of Spirits, also known by its original title as La Casa de Los Estates Espiritos. It's by Isabel Allende. Then they are reading Memoirs of a Geisha by Arthur Golden. Jenna, I did a little bit of a deep dive of the painting. They're analyzing at 4 minutes and 4 seconds.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ooh. What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's also one of my favorite screen grabs of you I have ever taken.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

I might use it as my contact photo for you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, boy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oscar is pointing at this painting. There's a debate. You're wearing berets, you're eating crepes, and you are throwing your hand in the air. It's just wonderful. Okay, so I saw on a few sites that people were like, does anyone have any information about the painting of the Finer's Things Club? I'm going to tell you. This painting is called Painting in his studio boat, 1874 by Ed Deward. Manet.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a Manet of Monet.

[Angela Kinsey]

Manet painted Monet. So Claude Monet and Edouard Manet were friends. They were artist friends. And Claude Monet had this boat that he would go out in, and he would paint. And Manet painted his friend in his boat painting a picture. And I have seen it online. Mislabeled. For example, at Wayfair, they sell a print of this. They have it titled Painting in his Studio by Claude Monet. So I wrote Wayfair. I wrote them.

[Jenna Fischer]

You wrote them?

[Angela Kinsey]

I did. I wrote. Went into their comments and questions section and I said, you have this. Mislabeled. This is Painting in a Studio boat by Edouard Manet.

[Jenna Fischer]

I look forward to seeing if that gets changed.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope it does. You can go to www.manet.org to learn more about Ed Dward Manet.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is a fan question from Lauren Harris, Debani T, Maria H. And Nicole P. Wanting to know if I have read any of the books that were featured in the different clips from the Finer Things Club. I have read none of them.

[Angela Kinsey]

What? No, lady. I have read A Room with a View, Memoirs of a Geisha, and Angela's Ashes. Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

How are they?

[Angela Kinsey]

I should be in the Finer Things Club.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. I have to say, watching this episode, I thought, this is a good reading list.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is.

[Jenna Fischer]

This would make a good book club.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. The only one I haven't read is the House of the Spirits. But I want to because I read a little bit about what it's about and I think it's really interesting.

[Jenna Fischer]

Should we read it together?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. Should we do a book club of the House of the Spirits?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I've really been reading a lot of nonfiction this past year and I am on the lookout for a great couple of fiction books. So maybe this is where I should start.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm inspired.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, maybe the House of the Spirits. Jenna, let's start a little book club.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let's do it. Who wants to read it with us?

[Angela Kinsey]

Read it with us. Kim would be called the Finer's Things Club.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, ours is called the Finer Things Club in honor of Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because I won't ever get it right otherwise.

[Jenna Fischer]

I like it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Michael has called Karen. He starts the call with Philip Hellers. How they hanging? Yeah, way to go, Michael. And he tells her, look, I'll give you Toby. You can't take Stanley. Take Toby. And then he can't even get through it. He's trying to upsell Toby. He's like, he's smart. He's like, ah, forget it. Toby's the worst.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then he says, you know what? If you take Stanley, I'm going to take your best salesperson. She's like, goodbye, Michael. And he's like, wait, before you go can you just transfer me to your best salesperson?

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. And she hangs up on them.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Pam connects Michael with Utica's top salesperson. And Michael pitches him a job in Scranton.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ben Nugent, top salesperson in Utica.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question about Ben Nugent. Angela from Amanda Massa, Jennifer Neal and Casey Craft. Who is the voice of Ben Nugent from Utica? Well, guys, it was our writer, Lester Lewis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh. Oh, I didn't know that. I love hearing that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And Ben Nugent, the character was named after Mindy Kaling's real life boyfriend at the time, writer Benjamin Nugent.

[Angela Kinsey]

I remember them dating. That didn't even register when I was watching this.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. Wow, that's some good little tidbits there, Jenna. Well, I love how Michael starts this call with him. He said, hey, do you like magic? Because I'm a genie in a bottle and I'm going to grant you three wishes to move to Scranton, to have a great job and to be my best friend. Cuckoo pants.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Could you imagine getting a call like that?

[Angela Kinsey]

No. And of course, Ben just shuts him down. He's like, yeah, I heard you're the guy that hit a woman with a car. Like he's just not into it. And this is when Michael has this talking head where he says, scranton isn't lame. It's cool. We're like the fun branch. And that's where that extended talking head would have come, where he breaks down all the branches.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, amazing. Michael and Dwight storm into the break room where the Finer Things Club is setting up. They have some Vivaldi playing in the background.

[Angela Kinsey]

The scene is so funny. I don't know how you guys got through it, but you couldn't. I saw the bloopers. You guys were losing it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Listen, every time Toby walks in and he's wearing his bow tie and Michael reacts to him. Paul could not get through that moment. He laughed every time Steve looked at him. It took us so long to get through that. It was so funny. You guys have to watch these bloopers.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's walking in with, like, stacked china teacups. And there is a time that Steve broke, which you guys know was rare, but Steve completely broke in one of the bloopers. Paula's Toby Jones just says bow tie.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was so amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was so good. Well, anyway, the purpose of this scene was that Dwight and Michael full on lie to Jim. So Michael and Dwight have this whole ruse to get Jim to go to Utica with them. They tell them that this company has lost the Staples account and they're going to go and they're going to get it and Jim has to come with them. So off they go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah. So they're in the car. Jim notices, oh no, wait, you missed the exit. And that's when Dwight and Michael are like, we have a surprise for you. Jim is immediately, immediately terrified.

[Angela Kinsey]

The look on Rain's face in the backseat is Dwight. He could barely contain, like how giddy he was that they roped Jim into this. And Michael's like, we're going on a panty raid to Utica.

[Jenna Fischer]

My God.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Jim's like, no, no. He gets out his cell phone, he's gonna make a phone call. But Dwight grabs it and throws his phone out the window.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, throws his phone out the window. And also Michael says, had to be done. Had to be done what?

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question from Icy Lee and Emily Jones. When they threw Jim's phone out the window, did someone have to go pick it up behind the car? Was that a real phone? Okay, it was a real phone. And yes, we had a follow car, which is a car that follows the actors and they would have to stop and pick up that phone. Yeah, we had a fan catch from Doug Schmidt who says, not a question. But when Dwight throws Jim's phone out the window, they are clearly on a four lane road. But when they stop to find it, it's only a two lane road.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ooh, look at you with your catch, Doug. You go.

[Jenna Fischer]

And another catch from Emily Ambrose at 8 minutes 45 seconds. When they've stopped to retrieve the phone, you can see a road sign that says San Fernando in a fourth of a mile.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's a really good catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

So yeah, clearly in California.

[Angela Kinsey]

So they're looking for Jim's phone. Jim finds it and he's like, you know what, I'm going to call a cab. And they're like, okay, well you'll miss out on the pranks. And he's like, hold up, what are you guys doing? What do you have planned? And then Michael lists off. They have the warehouse uniforms, silly string. Dwight also has some gasoline and chunks of rubber to make stink bombs or real bombs.

[Jenna Fischer]

They don't know. Yeah, could be badass.

[Angela Kinsey]

They don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

It could be either one.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Jim's like, yeah, no, that's not happening. So he makes a deal with them that he'll dress up in the warehouse uniform. By the way, the one he got was Madges.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And that he will go with them. But no, stink bombs are shenanigans.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, this is the compromise that he makes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And from this talking head, it cuts to this silent moment in the car. 9 minutes, 45 seconds. The three of them in the uniforms with these ridiculous mustaches. It is such a funny cut too. It cracked me up.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have so much to say about these car scenes, but I think we should take a break and come back and really get into it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Have you ever peed in a bottle in the backseat of a car?

[Jenna Fischer]

I have not. Have you?

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought about it real serious.

[Jenna Fischer]

I've peed on the side of a lot of roads.

[Angela Kinsey]

Same. Okay, well, more to discuss when we come back. I feel like right now it's that time of year where I'm kind of coming out of the holiday haze and I'm like, okay, I need to get my act together. This is a new year. I'm gonna start taking care of business.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, well, Macy's.com can help you out. Ladies, sometimes the key to a fresh start is adding a new product to your skincare routine. Okay, how about the Estee Lauder revitalizing moisturizer?

[Angela Kinsey]

I need to be revitalized.

[Jenna Fischer]

Or the Chanel Hydra beauty serum. Chanel has great beauty stuff and Macy's has it at a good price. You could even do nightly sheet mask from Tony Moly.

[Angela Kinsey]

I would try that also.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe you want to get organized in the new year. I want to throw something out there. How about it's time to finally get yourself some good food storage containers.

[Angela Kinsey]

I really need those. I have mismatched lids. I have sizes that don't even have a lid anymore.

[Jenna Fischer]

Macy's has this really pretty patterned Euro ceramica food containers. They're lovely.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're speaking my language.

[Jenna Fischer]

Macy's is the ultimate one stop shop to refresh any and every part of your life from what you wear to how you live so you can avoid the overwhelm and just enjoy the new beginnings.

[Angela Kinsey]

Shop now@macy's.com or in store. So Josh and I are super excited because we got a Whole Foods in our neighborhood now. Oh, lady, I know it's really great. You can get everything there. And I always feel really good about the produce and like what they offer feels like really good quality.

[Jenna Fischer]

They have great seafood there. Oh, really, really, really good seafood proteins. But they also have the 365 brand like salad kits. You can do like the ready to eat rice and bean blend. Really good.

[Angela Kinsey]

They also have things like that you might want like your vitamins and probiotics and protein powders, all the sort of wellness stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's where I get my probiotics.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, really?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's in a little refrigerated section.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. And you gotta look out for their sales because they often have sales on their supplements and vitamins.

[Jenna Fischer]

Shop all things wellness at Whole Foods Market.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I was driving from Manhattan to the airport, you know, to jfk.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we were going through all the different boroughs of New York, you know that drive to get to the airport.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I saw a Bob's Discount Furniture.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you get all excited?

[Angela Kinsey]

I did.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you go in there and buy a recliner? They have great recliners.

[Angela Kinsey]

I couldn't fit that in my carry on.

[Jenna Fischer]

It wasn't convenient. Well, they truly have everything. They have beds, dressers, sofas, sofa sleepers, mattresses. They have extendable dining room sets.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, if you have like a style slump and you want to give your home a whole zhuzh, Bob's has affordable styles that really can perk up your house but not break the bank.

[Jenna Fischer]

Get your picks in 26 at Bob's Discount Furniture. Lady, you know that I love an Old Fashioned.

[Angela Kinsey]

You do?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's my favorite cocktail, but I can't drink anymore because it just, it doesn't go well with the medications I'm taking. But I still like the ritual of a cocktail. I like my Old Fashioned. I discovered something. It's called RK and they make alcohol free versions of pretty much every spirit. I have tried the RK whiskey.

[Angela Kinsey]

They also have alcohol free versions of tequila, gin, rum, vodka and even amaretto.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, investors, influencers and millions of fans are joining the RK0 proof revolution. And the warm molecule is changing the game.

[Angela Kinsey]

With the holiday season and dry January here, there's no better time to try RK Zero Proof.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Available at Walmart, Amazon or at rkbeverages.com that's a R K a Y beverages dot com.

[Jenna Fischer]

We are back and the boys are in the car. They've got their outfits on, they've got their mustaches on, they're driving to Utica. Michael is asking Jim a lot of questions about his breakup with Karen and.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jim doesn't want to talk about it. So Jim is like, let's play that Alphabet game that you want to play.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael's like, okay, A is for Alan and he's married to Alice and they live in Alaska and they sell. Ah, what do they sell? What do they sell? And then he's like, wait, what is that? Noise I hear is that water, like, in the engine. Like, what is that? Air conditioner leaking? What's that sound?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that sound is Dwight peeing in a can in the backseat.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they freak out. They're like, oh, gross. And then Michael starts swerving, and Dwight's like, you're making me spray. This scene is, like, so fun to watch. I was laughing so hard.

[Jenna Fischer]

We got a lot of mail about this scene. One from Sadie K. Who says, when the guys were in the car, did they break a lot?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Sadie, the bloopers from this scene are so worth it. You've got to watch it. They were cracking up. I mean, it's one of the, like, rare times where Steve could not keep it together. Steve. Yeah, every time, too. Rain would have to say, I think I cut my penis on the lid. And then this is in the deleted scenes, but it's also in the bloopers at the very end. Dwight goes, I cut a chunk out of my penis for nothing. Those guys could not get through it. They were, like, melting into laughter.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, just imagine being in a car together. These three comedic actors at the top of their game. I mean, brilliant. We had another fan question from Evan Derrickson. This is a technical question. Evan wants to know who got to decide who wears which mustache, because they're really perfect for each character. And so funny. Is that a wardrobe thing? Does it need Greg's approval? Is it props? Well, Evan, I like your question because you've clearly been listening to Office Ladies. The mustaches are made by hair and makeup, so it's not a prop. And hair and makeup work together because it's hair, because it's a mustache. Right. But then it goes on the face and has to be applied to the face, so it becomes a makeup thing. So they just had a tray of a bunch of different mustaches. And, yes, they got Greg's approval. They talked to Joss Whedon, the director. They talked to Mindy Kaling, and they picked the mustaches for each of these guys to wear.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hair and makeup would take photos of the guys with the different mustaches and then walk them over to the writer's room, and the writers and directors would look at it. I can't imagine. That is so funny to me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, next up, the Finer Things club meeting is underway.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And at 10 minutes, 50 seconds, we have a Pam's Teapot catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's right. They are using Pam's teapot that Jim gave her in that very first Christmas episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have a question for the Finer Things Club?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

How much stuff do you have to bring to work on the day that you guys meet? There is a three tiered tray of sandwiches, a tablecloth, flatware, the teapot, the cups. You're like bringing a crate of stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, don't worry about it. Doesn't involve you. We got it covered.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're discussing a room with a view and who walks in but Andy.

[Jenna Fischer]

He wants to be in the club.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam tells him it's a closed club.

[Jenna Fischer]

She's very direct and unapologetic. I'm sorry, this is a closed club. And Andy has a talking head where he says the Finer Things Club is the most exciting, exclusive club in the office. So it's naturally where he needs to be. Party planning committee is his backup. Kevin's band is his safety.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everything is like he's rushing a fraternity.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so true. It's so true. Well, I'll have you know we loved shooting these scenes. Me, Oscar, Paul. We were delighted by the storyline. We had the best time because this was a group of people that did not normally get to hang out. I did not have a lot of scenes with Oscar or Paul, so this was really cool. And I'll have you know that before the pandemic, we had a Finer Things Club reunion lunch.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did? I thought this was so, so sweet. When you told me you guys were all gonna meet, I was like, that is adorable.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, we met, we had lunch and we invited Ed. Oh, we let Ed come. So the four of us had this amazing lunch. I took a picture so I'll post it in the pot.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is so sweet. I'm very sad I wasn't invited on the show or in real life.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'll say. We did not discuss any literature or art at our reunion lunch. We just chatted about our lives and our kids. Aww.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now the guys have rolled up to the Utica branch. But Jenna, first I want to talk to you about a deleted scene. You will not believe this scene. I had Sam pull this clip. Jim has called Pam from the road with Michael and Dwight, and Pam is kind of passive aggressively giving Jim a little shade for seeing Karen.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I don't even remember doing this scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

I couldn't believe it. It just doesn't even sound like Pam to me. And I think there's a reason it was deleted. But it's pretty delicious to listen to. Sam, can you play it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait, you're going along with this now?

[Sam]

I have to. Pam, if I'm not there, someone's going to go to Jail or die.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right. And you wouldn't be able to talk to Karen.

[Sam]

Well, I promise you that has nothing to do with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

A little bit. Well, yeah.

[Sam]

I don't want to see her get physically harmed. That's for sure.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because you love her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because you love her very much.

[Sam]

All right, I'm going to go now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Have fun with your girlfriend. Okay, I will.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, Jenna, you gonna have fun with your new girlfriend? Oh, my gosh. Pam is totally jealous.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. Do you think she's really jealous?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Pam also has a talking head where she's like, I was just kidding. We kid like that. And then she's like, okay, maybe I'm a little jealous.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow, I don't even remember shooting that. Yeah, that's so crazy.

[Angela Kinsey]

You have to watch the deleted scenes.

[Jenna Fischer]

That does sound a little bit like me when I'm being passive aggressive.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was more Jenna than Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe a little bit.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think it's good that they deleted it because I think I like instead, you know, that he comes back at the end of the day and, you know, I don't know. I don't want to see that side of Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I just don't think we need that tension in the relationship. It doesn't need to be about that, you know? Yeah, I like it. And we'll get to it that Jim and Karen are gonna have a moment where they have to deal with their stuff. But I like that Pam is left out of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, me too.

[Jenna Fischer]

So now the guys roll up to the Utica branch and Michael reveals their plan. They're going to pretend to be warehouse workers and they're going to silly string the whole place. Dwight adds that he might stab the security guy in the eye with a piece of jumbo chalk. And Jim is like, you're not stabbing anyone in the eye. Dwight's like, okay, fine. Maybe I'll just grind it up and blow it in his eyes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he has a talking head that he says the eyes are the groin of the head.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So look out eyeballs if Dwight's around.

[Jenna Fischer]

I really love that line.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did, too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dwight and Michael leave, and Jim is now on a walkie talkie in the car.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well. And he sees Karen. He's like, oh, my God, she's here. Go, go, go. And he leans the seat back, trying to hide from Karen.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But in the meantime, through the walkie talkie, we only hear it, which I personally think is so freaking funny. Michael and Dwight decide to steal the industrial copier. Then you hear a Very loud crashing noise. And then you start to hear Michael talking about his hip. He's saying, jim, save us.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's saying, jim, if this is my last moment, please tell me you'll take over the Dundees.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so, so amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

And, Jenna, you're so right. It was better over the walkie talkie. There's a deleted scene in the stairwell where Michael is pinned by the copier, and there's silly string everywhere. And the security guards have come, and it just plays funnier over the walkie talkie. It really does. So I was really glad that they made that choice.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have a fan catch for this moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

When the guys were driving in the car, it was very clear that there was just Michael, Jim, and then Dwight in the backseat. But now all of a sudden, we have a camera operator in the car with Jim.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Jim is like, get down. What are you doing? You know, where did this guy come from?

[Jenna Fischer]

And also, when they're on the side of the road, there was clearly a camera operator on the side of the road with them. So I have made up a story in my head that the camera operators followed them in another vehicle to document this moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

They had a huge budget. They put lipstick cameras in the car, rigged the car, then followed the car with a second set of handheld cameras. This PBS went all out.

[Jenna Fischer]

They really did well. They knew that this was going to be a good moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question from Eris, Beth Cruz, Zufan, Jirard Colby, Shannon, and Caro B. Were Jim, Michael, and Dwight actually talking through walkie talkies? Yes, they were. And I don't know if this was in the bloopers, Angela, but John was laughing so hard at what he was listening to. I remember him telling me stories. Wait until you see this scene. These guys were so funny over the walkie talkie.

[Angela Kinsey]

I loved when Jim kept saying, stop saying my name.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, yes. Well, Karen spots Jim in the car and she walks over.

[Angela Kinsey]

So embarrassing.

[Jenna Fischer]

But then it leads into this amazing scene. She's got the three of them on a couch in her office. It 100% looks like three kids who've been called to the principal's office. Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Karen is loving this. I mean, there's a whole talking head where she says, I cried for weeks over that guy. So, yeah, it felt pretty good seeing him in this situation.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. The only person still wearing his mustache now is Dwight. Michael is defending his behavior. He is saying that he cares enough to fight for his employees. And if Stanley comes to Utica and she hurts One hair on his head, he will burn Utica to the ground.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Dwight and Michael both say they will burn Utica to the ground.

[Jenna Fischer]

Insane. So Karen sends Michael and Dwight away. She says, jim, will you stay a moment? Ooh, Ooh.

[Angela Kinsey]

The principal kept one. Let the other two go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now it's gonna get personal.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, this is so cringy.

[Jenna Fischer]

She says, jim, if you wanted to see me, you could have just called. And Jim's like, oh, no, I didn't wanna see you. Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he's like, not that I'm not happy that, you know, to see you, but I know I was basically just here for the copier. Cause I'm, you know, with Pam and things are going well and, you know, we're good. And she's like, oh, I'm so glad to hear that. Things so well for you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Angela, we had a fan catch for this scene from Rachel Watkins. At 17 minutes, 27 seconds, as Karen and Jim are having their one on one, Karen has a photo of Hillary Clinton on her bookshelf. Rachel is wondering if this is a nod to Leslie Knope having framed photos of Hillary Clinton in her office for Parks and Recreation. You know what, Rachel? I don't know, but what a great catch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I didn't catch that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I zoomed in on it. But speaking of Parks and Recreation, Angela, we had another fan question. A bunch of people wrote in. They said, how did you get Rashida Jones back for this? Wasn't she on Parks and Recreation at the time? She was, but you might remember that Parks and Rec was created by Mike Scherman, who was one of the office writers. And so our production office just called over to their production office, and they were able to clear her for one day of work. So she came and did this one shooting day at these offices for Utica, but we didn't get to see her. We did not get to have a reunion with her at all because she was on location.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I just thought she crushed these scenes. She was so perfect in them. Well, Jenna, there's a whole lot happening back at Dunder Mifflin because the Finer Things Club is trying to have their meeting. You know, they had to hang a sign. You have to think someone hangs a sign because events have happened, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And the solution is a sign.

[Angela Kinsey]

So they have made a sign at 12 minutes, 49 seconds. You can catch it. It says, finer Things Club in progress. Please be respectful. And Kevin comes in. He's trying to get something out of the vending machine. He's banging it Back and forth. His butt is like, right up against your chair. And my absolute favorite moment of all of the finer things club meetings is Phyllis in that dang microwave. How many buttons is she hitting?

[Jenna Fischer]

So many buttons.

[Angela Kinsey]

So many buttons. And Oscar, he is so fantastic. The way he lets it amp up and start to bug him as he's trying to form thought about his book sharing, right? He wants to tell you guys about this book. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And then finally he just snaps. And he's like, what are you microwaving?

[Jenna Fischer]

And Phyllis says, pop carn with her St. Louis accent. We had a lot of people write in and catch that 1349.

[Angela Kinsey]

You hear a solid pop Carn. This is me, though, Jenna. I am Oscar. If you want to drive me crazy, have some beeping somewhere. Something beeping makes me nuts.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, I have to turn off the beeping on my washer dryer. I don't need that to keep going off. I know I put the laundry in. Yeah, I know. I'll take the laundry out eventually. I'll get to it. I don't need you alarming me to my dry laundry for the next 15 minutes off and on.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't get why everything has to beep so much. The refrigerator beeps, the dishwasher beeps, the.

[Jenna Fischer]

Microwave beeps, my coffee maker beeps. It beeps when it's done, and then it beeps when it turns itself off.

[Angela Kinsey]

So much beeping. Can we tone it down on the beeping appliance? People?

[Jenna Fischer]

Not everything needs an alarm. You know, this is. We feel strongly about this.

[Angela Kinsey]

We clearly feel strongly about all the beeping. Unnecessary beeping.

[Jenna Fischer]

Who knew? Well, the guys get back from Utica. Michael gives Stanley his blessing. He says, you know what? It's okay. And then he gets him a box from the mail cart. Angela, the seldomly used mail cart is getting used. And then he says, pam, come in my office. I need to write a one ad. And here is Michael's ad that he's going to place for a new employee to take Stanley's place. Are you ready to.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, he's laying on the ground as he dictates this to you. I know. I mean, he has given up all hope. He has failed. And yes, what does he tell you?

[Jenna Fischer]

Wanted middle aged black man with sass. Big butt, bigger heart.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love that Michael used sass.

[Jenna Fischer]

I thought the same thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Stanley's like, I never planned on leaving. I say crazy things sometimes. I was just bluffing. And Michael called my bluff.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, he Just wanted a raise. He was hoping to leverage this job offer to get more money. And earlier, when Michael has a meeting with him, he's like, what can I do to get you to stay? And he's like, money, money. But Michael doesn't have the budget. But as it turns out, Stanley's not really going to uproot his family. He's going to stay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And him, you know, putting this out there to Michael to see if Michael would like, you know, meet his demands. Almost cost Utica getting burned to the ground.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Pam tells Jim, I'm really sorry. Rolando told me everything. I love it that the receptionists talk to one another.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love this so much that you and Rolando have this whole friendship that we don't even know about. I also thought it was pretty great that you said to Jim, how embarrassing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I know. Well, when I was chatting with Adam about his time on the Office, one of the things he mentioned was that while he was shooting this episode, Rain and Mindy both came up to him and said, we think you could come back. We like this Utica Branch idea. We want to have you back. And that he was so excited. And then, of course, you know, I go back for Lecture Circuit and we had a little fan catch about that Caitlin Donahue, Sidney Matthews and Courtney Sage said. In this episode, Pam mentions that she and Rolando talk. But in Lecture Circuit, Michael introduces Pam to Rolando when they arrive. Is this a continuity error? You know, guys, I just think Michael doesn't know. Michael doesn't know that Pam has these relationships. Just like, remember earlier, it's clear that Pam and Michael's mother talk to one another as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I think there's so much that Michael doesn't know about even what Pam's job does, you know, like, how about the fact that, like, he's like, pam, will you hold all my calls today? And Pam's like, sure. Beep, boop, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. You know what I mean? Like, Michael doesn't know what Pam does.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's true. To make Jim feel better, Pam invites him to be in the Finer Things club. And the end of this episode is a flash forward to their next meeting where they are discussing Angela's ashes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And true to Jim form, he has to do a bit to. Yep, he's doing his Irish accent. Oscar just kind of looks at him and is like, did you get it all out? And then he hasn't read the book.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Paul is so amazing in this scene. He's like, who's the main character? Jim is like, Angela. Nope.

[Angela Kinsey]

No. The ashes. No.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Pam just mouths, sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there are two deleted Andy scenes that I want to discuss before we wrap up. They're about the Finer Things Club and about how desperately he was trying to get in. Because, you know, when Pam let Jim in, you saw Andy go, are you kidding me? Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So here are these two things that Andy does. There is a scene where Andy comes in to the break room to you guys and offers you an envelope full of cash, a donation, if you will.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ah.

[Angela Kinsey]

There is a scene, Jenna, in the deleted scenes. And I think it would have come towards the end of the episode. You guys, the Finer Things Club, walk up to Andy. You give him a sealed envelope. He opens it up. It's a letter telling him he has been put on the wait list and he is thrilled. He shared that he was wait listed at Cornell and then his dad donated a whole building to the college.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ah, I see. Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Andy, we learn. And deleted scenes was in fact, on the wait list.

[Jenna Fischer]

Delicious. Guys, that was Branch Wars. Thank you to Adam Jamal Craig for sending in those audio clips and thank you guys for your questions. Next week, Survivorman.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ooh. And in the meantime, we will start the Finer Things Club.

[Jenna Fischer]

And what are we reading?

[Angela Kinsey]

Our first book will be the House of the Spirits.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ordering now.

[Angela Kinsey]

We'll see you guys next week.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thanks, guys. We'll see you next week.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hope you have a good one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to Office Lady's second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jorkins, and our audio engineer and associate producer is Molly Nugent. AUDIENCE Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Rees Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co founder of Angie. One thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. And for decades, Angie's helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. Get all your jobs done [e-mail].