Second Drink: Goodbye Toby, Part 1

Summary

Office Ladies Podcast – "Second Drink: Goodbye Toby, Part 1"

March 2, 2026 | Hosted by Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jenna and Angela dive into "Goodbye, Toby, Part 1," the memorable Season 4 finale of The Office. They share behind-the-scenes stories, script details, deleted scenes, and personal anecdotes from filming, with contributions from co-writers, cast, and longtime crew. The conversation covers key plot points—Toby’s farewell, the arrival of Holly Flax, and several character arcs setting up Season 5—while maintaining the hosts’ signature lighthearted and affectionate tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Start of the Episode: Farewell to Toby and Party Drama

[07:42 – 09:45]

• Toby is leaving Dunder Mifflin for Costa Rica; Michael insists on a massive sendoff, but Angela (very pregnant at the time) balks, so Phyllis is put in charge of the farewell party.
• Phyllis takes over with gusto, a big moment for her character, much to Angela’s on-screen (and real-life) amusement.
• Michael’s dramatic excitement about Toby's departure is on full display: “He wants the party to end all parties.” (Jenna Fischer, 27:08)

Memorable Moment:

• Michael’s “foot money,” hidden in his shoe, to fund the party. (Angela: “I don’t want your foot money!” – 29:21)

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2. Script & Behind-the-Scenes Details

[09:45 – 14:27]

• Paul Lieberstein (Toby) and Jen Salata were taking over as showrunners, prompting Paul to write himself out for a while to focus on production (10:28).

  “That was absolutely part of getting rid of me, give me some time to just show run and concentrate on that.” – Paul Lieberstein, 10:28

• The script was long—75 pages—resulting in many deleted scenes and a heavily edited final cut (13:08).

Editing Process:

• Scenes were moved around significantly during editing. Angela praises the show's editors for shaping the story with such finesse (13:47).

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3. Introduction of Holly Flax

[14:28 – 18:17]

• Amy Ryan was directly offered the role due to her prior accolades (Oscar nomination and The Wire) and the writing staff’s admiration.
• Amy Ryan herself was eager to work on The Office:

  “Her agents asked her what she wanted to do. She said, I want to do The Office.” – Paul Lieberstein, 15:41

• The writer’s room watched how Amy’s chemistry with Steve Carell (Michael) developed before committing to her long-term.

Connections:

• Amy Ryan had prior working relationships with Paul Lieberstein and Steve Carell (Dan in Real Life).

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4. Fan Mail & Fun Debates

[02:35 – 03:38, 57:13 – 59:56]

• Jenna and Angela banter about the meaning of "hot to trot," reading fan submissions that show both interpretations—either “ready to hook up” or “angry/fired up.”
• Multiple listeners write in to clarify the term, ending with both hosts agreeing it can mean both, but Angela admits she’s been using it “wrong” for years.

  “Oh, yeah. I went to get gas, and I was gonna use the car wash…but it didn’t work. And I’d already paid. I was hot to trot.” – Angela (58:29)

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5. Classic Cold Open & Continuity Catch

[21:52 – 25:21]

• Jim pranks Dwight by hijacking his phone calls with an old-school Bluetooth earpiece—an “Old Tech Alert.”
• Jenna catches a continuity error: Jim pretends to talk to Dwight's (supposedly deceased) mother, but in a previous episode, Dwight’s mother was said to be living in the east field.

  “Yeah, Dwight’s mother is not living. Little continuity error.” – Jenna (25:17)

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6. Celebrating Scripted Detail & Deleted Scenes

[06:04 – 07:10, 40:09 – 41:33, 56:32]

• Angela shares a unique Phyllis deleted scene, showing her stressed over party planning—now restored in the “superfan version.”
• Another favorite deleted scene features Kevin's band offering to play the party, calling back to “Scrantonicity” and Phyllis’s disastrous wedding.

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7. Plotting & Fast Facts

[12:32 – 14:08]

• The original cut was 72 minutes and heavily trimmed for airing; shooting drafts were enormous, laden with extra material.
• Angela shares the challenge of hiding her real-life pregnancy.

[28:02 – 29:21]

• Michael’s annual “foot money” collection, inspired by recurring birthday checks like in Catcher in the Rye (though not intentionally referenced).

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8. Character Moments & Thematic Highlights

a. Pam’s Art School Acceptance

[33:39 – 36:42]

• Pam is accepted to Pratt Institute, prompting happiness and “blooming plant” metaphors.
• Jenna discusses art school rankings and segues into the real-life challenges of working artists, quoting her own book on average actor income:

  “According to the Screen Actors Guild…the median income for a working actor is $52,000 a year. But most of the SAG AFTRA membership earns less than $7,000 a year from acting.” – Jenna (36:42)

• “You do it for the love of the art.” – Angela (37:44)

b. Jim’s Proposal Plans

[55:27 – 55:59]

• Jim, inspired by his and Pam’s milestones happening at work, plans to propose during the party.

  “Full circle life moment. It should happen at Dunder Mifflin.” – Angela (55:45)

c. Michael & Holly’s Chemistry

[38:12 – 43:44, 60:08 – 63:07]

• Michael, at first assuming he’ll hate Holly, is instantly smitten after she jokingly insults Toby and matches his sense of humor, notably during a shared Yoda impression:

  Holly: “Pass curvy metal piece you will.”
  Jenna: “That’s it. Michael is sunk. He is so in love.” (61:05)

• Their quirky banter includes riffs about acting and “orgies,” revealing their natural comedic chemistry.

d. Hazing Holly & Kevin’s Subplot

[49:40 – 50:17, 56:32 – 57:07]

• Dwight tells Holly that Kevin is “slow,” leading to a subplot of Kevin enjoying the extra attention (“Kevin has found his person.” – Angela, 57:10).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

(with timestamps)

• On Michael’s feelings for Holly:

  “He says, you know what? Thanks to Toby, he believed that the HR department was a breeding ground for monsters. But what he failed to realize was that not all monsters are bad. Like E.T. is Holly their E.T.?” – Jenna, 43:20

• On Pam’s happiness and plants:

  “Pam is the happiest she’s ever been. And her plant is reflecting that now. It won’t live past this week. She’s going to have a dead plant in her box later.” – Angela, 33:08

• On behind-the-scenes editing:

  “They would almost rewrite the script again in the editing process…It really made me respect our editors.” – Angela, 13:47

• On the meaning of “hot to trot”:

  Angela: “I thought it means you’re all fired up.”
  Jenna: “You’re fired up to hook up. Are you sure? Hot to trot is like you get all dressed up to go out to a bar. I’m hot to trot.” (57:27–57:32)

• On life as an artist:

  “Listen, the artist’s journey is not one that you do for money. You do it because you love to do it. It’s because it’s your passion.” – Angela, 37:44

• On Michael’s awkward flirting with Holly:

  “If we hung you up, we’d have to kiss under you…” (botched mistletoe flirt) – Michael, 50:23

• Creed’s introduction to Holly:

  “His brain is like, oh, God. So I texted with Creed Bratton about this…he purposely took an extra long beat after he shook hands with Holly and then walked away.” – Angela, 48:33

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Major Timestamps & Segment Highlights

• 02:06: Episode officially starts, guest contributors thanked
• 07:42: Main story breakdown begins – Goodbye Toby, Season 4 finale overview
• 10:28: Paul Lieberstein on writing himself out & plans for Holly’s arc
• 14:28: Fast fact on Amy Ryan joining as Holly, via direct offer
• 21:52: Classic Jim prank cold open
• 25:17: Jenna’s continuity catch about Dwight’s mother (callback to “Fun Run”)
• 29:21: Michael’s “foot money” party funding
• 33:39: Pam’s acceptance to Pratt & meaning of her happiness
• 36:42: Jenna quotes her own book about average acting wages
• 41:08: Deleted scenes & bloopers shared
• 43:20: Michael’s “not all monsters are bad” monologue
• 49:31: Creed’s confusion when asked about his job by Holly
• 55:27: Jim’s proposal plans revealed
• 61:05: Michael and Holly’s Yoda impression moment

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Flow & Tone

Jenna and Angela’s easy rapport, playful bickering over phrases, and deep affection for their Office family pervade the episode. They draw on both fan questions and personal anecdotes to enrich their behind-the-scenes breakdown. Script trivia, deleted moments, and deep dives into actor backgrounds provide plenty of new insights for Office superfans.

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Conclusion

This episode of Office Ladies is a rich, detailed look at both the making and meaning of “Goodbye Toby, Part 1.” It’s full of laughter, genuine emotion, and tributes to the cast, crew, and writers who made the episode—and The Office as a whole—so memorable. Key moments include script revelations, heartfelt tributes, and the clear turning point that Amy Ryan’s Holly Flax brings to the show. The hosts’ warmth and humor ensure fans come away entertained and much better informed.

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Next episode: "Goodbye, Toby, Part 2" – with the highly anticipated exit interview and even more behind-the-scenes details. Stay tuned!

Transcript

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[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, this is also the episode where we got into a debate about what the phrase hot to trot means.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

People wrote in. Maria F. Said, I first heard hot to trot on Happy Days. Richie was going to a dinner at a divorcee's house. His friends say, you know what they say about divorcees? They're hot to trot. Jenna is correct because I said hot

[Angela Kinsey]

to trot means you're hooking up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And you said it means you're mad.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You're coming in hot to trot. You're ticked off about something.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Raquel G. Says, angela, I have also used hot to trot in the same way you did. And Linda G. Wants us to know that it has two meanings and we are both correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you, Linda. I do remember a few people dming me saying, I think you meant, like, hot under the collar, Angela.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, Hot under the collar. I'm hot under the collar, which definitely means you're getting mad.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I still say hot to trot when I'm mad, but I'm more careful where I say it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here's a question I have for you now that you've learned the second meaning for it. Have you ever said to Josh Swift, sweetie, I am hot to trot, and he thinks you're mad, but really you mean it the other way?

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I've never said it. I've never said it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because he probably had to learn in your relationship, if you said, I am hot to trot. It's not what you think.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not what you think.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. It means you're mad about something.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like to keep it interesting. You never know how I'm going to interpret something. Okay. We also got a great background catch. Louisa C. Said, ladies, at exactly two minutes, I noticed something shiny on Steve's hand. I stopped and I saw that Steve had his wedding ring on. All right, Louisa. I went and I looked. You are absolutely right. It's in the cold open when Michael is dancing through the office. It's part of a montage. It's Toby's last day. Michael is very excited and he's sort of doing this scissor move with his arms, like, as he's dancing through the office. And when he sort of like, slides. Slides his arm across the screen, you see his wedding ring. He must have forgotten to take it off, but clearly someone caught it, because then immediately right after, he has a talking head to camera and it's gone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow, that's a good catch. Do you remember that week that Steve jammed his finger playing hockey and he couldn't get his wedding ring off, so we had to Cover it with a band aid.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Oh, my gosh, I forgot about that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Cause he was like, you're not cutting this off my finger, obviously. So there's. I can't remember what episode it is, but I think it's in season three. We talked about it on the pod. We also got this observation from James L. In Arizona, who said, hi, ladies. This is my second listen to the podcast. I have a long commute and decided to go all the way back to the beginning and listen through again. And I wanted to point out that Pam is wearing a pink sweater in this episode. It's not the same one that you discuss in a later episode as in Pam's sex sweater theory. But I want to throw this out there. Maybe Pam just wears pink when she's feeling extra happy. Loving the second drinks. James.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love that she is wearing pink.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I mean, it's not her sex sweater.

[Angela Kinsey]

No. But she does get good news. She learns about the Pratt Institute, and then she's super flirty and gives Jim a little kiss. She's happy.

[Jenna Fischer]

True.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, I love that question. Well, when we first broke down this episode, I shared that there were some awesome Phyllis deleted scenes. One of my favorites that we discussed was put back in the superfan version. I really want us to hear it. Okay. To set the scene for you guys. Phyllis is super stressed about planning the party, and Jim walks in. This is so great. I'm so glad it's back in. You gotta hear it. Well, who can do a party of this size? But you're in the business. You must surely know of some other businesses. Okay, well, I just want a damn dance floor. I'm sorry. So sorry. I shouldn't have sworn. I'm so sorry. Thanks for your time. What? Sorry, I shouldn't have said what like that. It was really rude.

[Paul Lieberstein]

Scared me. How's the party planning going, Jim?

[Angela Kinsey]

I am so, so.

[Paul Lieberstein]

It's going great. Sounds like.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I'm not used to the stress. That's so funny. I should say the top of the scene, she's pacing on the phone. She's with some type of, like, event. You know, party rental place.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. I loved it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that was all amazing, everyone. Now, here is your second drink of Goodbye, Toby, part one. I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together, and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Rewind Watch podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week, we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office ladies. Hello, everyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Howdy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Today we are breaking down. Goodbye, Toby, Part one. I can't believe it. We're at the end of season four.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't believe it. Jenna. I'm excited though. This is such a good episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I loved it. Beyond loved it. It is season four, episode 18, written by Jen Salata and Paul Lieberstein and directed by Paul Feig.

[Angela Kinsey]

Beyond loved. Yeah, beyond loved. Well, I know you've got a great summary and some fast facts. I can't wait to hear them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let's get started. Toby is moving to Costa Rica. Finally, his lifelong dream is coming true. Michael insists the party planning committee plan a huge going away party. And when Angela balks, he puts Phyllis in charge.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, can you believe it?

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, she does a really good job.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know what? I don't need to hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm going to talk about it more later.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

There is a new HR representative coming in. Holly Flax. She will be taking over for Toby and this is her first day at Dunder Mifflin. Michael assumes he will hate her, but he is quickly smitten. Very quickly, very quickly.

[Angela Kinsey]

But that is Michael. I mean, Michael falls in love at hello.

[Jenna Fischer]

He does. Meanwhile, Pam gets some good news. Should we get started Fast fact number one.

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought you were gonna like, tip your hand a little bit. Is it tip your hand or tip your hat? Is tip your hat.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, I think it's your hand because you're playing poker and you tip it and people see your cards.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. But you tip your hat for something else. A hello, maybe. But I thought you were going to hint at what Pam's big news was. But no. Let's get into some fast facts.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's not tip anything.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're tipping nothing right now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Tip nothing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fast fact number one. I find it very funny that Paul had to write himself out of the show.

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought it was funny too. But knowing Paul, because he's very practical, it was probably like, well, it needs to be done.

[Jenna Fischer]

There is a very practical reason for why he wrote himself out of the show that we know. Paul and Jen are going to take over as the showrunners of the Office starting in season five. Because Greg was going to be working on Parks and Recreation.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now Greg was still around. He had a foot in both worlds.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he'd pop by, but he wasn't going to be there day to day.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was Jen and Paul. So they teamed up to write this episode, and they were really trying to set themselves up for next season. Paul needed a break from the acting. He wanted to concentrate on writing the show. We traded emails with Paul, and he sent in an audio clip all about it.

[Paul Lieberstein]

Jen Salata and I were taking over showrunners for season five, and that was absolutely part of getting rid of me. Give me some time to just show run and concentrate on that. Did we know for a fact I'd be coming back? No, not for a fact. Didn't really think about it that far in. There was a lot of things started. Pam's acceptance to art school. That was something we had talked about for a long time. We always knew she liked it, but we were looking for, you know, a whole new complication. After doing so much with the romance and then Angela's engagement to Andy, we always knew that was not a relationship to be. That was a bad relationship, a comedy relationship. But it gave us some fun stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

Obviously, there's so many big storylines that they set up with this finale.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, we haven't even talked about Jan. That's part two. But my goodness.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I know. Big, big. What do they call it? The cliffhanger.

[Jenna Fischer]

Big cliffhanger.

[Angela Kinsey]

Why am I having a hard time with, like, common phrases today? Buckle in, everybody, because this might be a bumpy ride.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm here for it. I love when you mangle common phrases. It's one of my favorite things about you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know why I almost said it was. It's like the cliff's edge. And then in my brain, I was like, no, no, no, that's not right. You'll find it, lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, are you ready? Fast fact number two.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jen Salata said that this script took about five days to write. Five days? That's crazy.

[Angela Kinsey]

How did they do it in five days? It would take me so long to write this. This is a juggernaut.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. She said they had an outline and they divided up the work and they each wrote different parts, and then they put it all together and they did a rewrite together. So, I mean, I guess there were two people on it, but still. Also, the original cut of this episode came in at 72 minutes, and they had to cut it down to 40 minutes later.

[Angela Kinsey]

Guess who found her shooting draft of

[Jenna Fischer]

Goodbye Toby, you electronic hoarder.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, digital hoarder. Angela Kinsey. All right, Jenna, since I have the shooting draft of Goodbye Toby, I have a little quiz for you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, all right.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're like, I Didn't know I was going to get tested today. Okay, can you guess how many pages were in the shooting draft?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, well, let me think. If I remember correctly, our standard shooting drafts were usually around 30 pages.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

So since this was a double episode, I'm going to say 60 pages.

[Angela Kinsey]

75.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Well, no wonder the original cut came in at 72 minutes. I know. They always say each page of a script equals one minute of screen time on average, Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, lady, there were so much on the page that did not make it in this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm guessing there are a lot of deleted scenes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, there's some wonderful deleted scenes. And then there's even more scenes that aren't in the deleted scenes. I really enjoyed this. I'm going to sprinkle things throughout. And you know what? It really made me respect Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Our editors. I'll tell you why. I rewatched this episode four times, and one of the times I rewatched it, I just followed along in the script, and the scenes were moved all around in editing. I was fascinated by it. And it really just shows you what storytellers our editors are.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, I remember that, Angela. I remember that they would almost, like, rewrite the script again in the editing process.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because they would do that. They would move scenes around from where they had been placed in the script originally. I love that. Well, are you ready for fast fact number three?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fast fact number three. Amy Ryan, AKA Holly Flax, AKA Michael's true love.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw. I loved Holly Flax. I loved her.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question from Ziana G. Was Amy Ryan asked to play Holly, or did she have to go through the audition process? Amy did not have to audition for the role of Holly Flax. It was offered to her. And this is why. First of all, Amy Ryan had just been nominated for an Academy Award. We had another Academy Award nominee on our show. She'd been nominated for a movie called Gone Baby Gone. And in addition to that, the writing staff of the Office was slightly obsessed with the TV show the Wire. And Amy had been on the Wire. And whenever we had, like, big guest star roles come up, the writers would try to get cast members from the Wire to do them. I mean, spoiler alert. Idris Elba is coming up. But there is actually even more to this story. But we will let Paul Lieberstein tell you. Here's an audio clip from Paul where he also talks about their overall plans for the role of Holly.

[Paul Lieberstein]

Amy Ryan. Her agents were asking her, well, what do you want to do. And she said, I want to do the Office. And at the very same time we were talking about her and I don't really know who reached out to who first. I worked with Amy like a million years ago on another show and we knew each other and I was, I was all for it. I loved working with her both times. So we didn't know how much of an arc was it going to be with Amy. We didn't really know. We didn't have this kind of long term deal. We wanted to kind of test it out and see. Because you never know about chemistry, right? You never know if she's going to have chemistry with Steve. And she sure did. I don't think we knew that this was going to be the, you know, love of his life. We hadn't planned it that far. And ahead we were also watching what happened and reacting to it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Can you believe that she said the Office?

[Angela Kinsey]

I was so tickled by that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, she did this interview where she said she had been doing these heavy dramas and she really wanted to lighten things up. She wanted to do a comedy and she loved our show. So that's what she told her agent she wanted to do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here are her crossover. The Office connections. Jenna. She was not on Monk. Oh, no, she wasn't on Monk. But the show that her and Paul worked on was in the 90s and it was called the Naked Truth with Tea Leonel. And Paul Lieberstein was a writer on it. So that's where they met. And then she and Steve Carell did a movie together in 2007 called Dan in Real Life. So they had worked together before.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Kentopedia told me that they had locked her down for six episodes for season five when she did this guest role. But that's as far as they went. And kind of like what Paul said. They didn't know if this was going to be a temporary love interest for Michael. They weren't sure. But they did have her set to start off the next season.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are so many great scenes between Holly and Michael in this episode. And there are even more wonderful ones in the script. I really wish they all could have stayed in. I know they had to trim them, but you really see the build of their sort of mutual, like, crush on each other.

[Jenna Fischer]

I got choked up watching this episode. Every time she returns his affection or flirts with him a little bit, I mean, I was so excited for Michael that a woman was being kind to him. I mean, I was emotional.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not just kind, but she gets him. They have the same humor?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, lady, that's all I got. Should we take a break and then we'll come back and get into this episode?

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's do it. I don't know about you, but there's just something about spring. I start spring cleaning, I start organizing and it kind of makes me want to redo every room in my house.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you know, most of the time furniture stores are going to make that feel impossible. Especially when you see their price tags.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

prices, stop into your local Bob's store or shop online and see for yourself. Lately I have been thinking a lot about choices, but especially about how good it feels when you make a decision that really works for you. Maybe you're committing to a long term goal like saving money for a new car, a future home, a vacation.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's being being intentional about your choices and you're just giving yourself the biggest gift because you are planning for your future self. And you know that idea of making the right choices for you is something that State Farm really leans into. Prioritizing what matters most and having support along the way. While you're working towards these goals of things that are important to you, the

[Jenna Fischer]

State Farm personal price plan can help you create an affordable price. When you choose to bundle home and auto insurance, you have options to choose from to help best fit your needs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with their personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

[Jenna Fischer]

Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know lady, I love getting a deal. I love like when you're shopping and you find a way to get a little cash back for your purchase for things you actually like.

[Jenna Fischer]

Are you talking About Rakuten.

[Angela Kinsey]

I am.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I was over on Macy's.com and you have the option to pay with Rakuten. And they're not the only place. I mean, I also saw it on Instacart and Sephora.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I mean, the categories where you can get cash back using Rakuten are like fashion, beauty, electronics, home essentials, travel.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. There's so many. It's really simple. Here's what they've done. Stores pay Rakuten for sending them shoppers, and then Rakuten shares the money with you as cash back. Yeah, you can sign up. It's absolutely free, and it just takes a few seconds.

[Angela Kinsey]

Download the free Rakuten app or go to rakuten.com to start saving today. That's R a k u t e n rakuten.com. All right, we are back with a classic gym prank.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is our cold open, and Michael is not in it. Did you notice?

[Angela Kinsey]

I did notice.

[Jenna Fischer]

His door is shut. We're being led to believe that Steve is behind that door, but he was not.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was probably prepping for a film

[Jenna Fischer]

or maybe finally getting to sleep in for a second.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. Having the morning off. I hope he had the morning off. Dwight's cell phone rings, and somehow Jim answers it on his little Bluetooth thing in his, you know, his ear.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you remember those?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And people would walk around with him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I mean, we kind of still have this, like, earbud thing that we do, but back in the day, y', all, those things were giant. Did you see how big that thing was on Jim's ear?

[Angela Kinsey]

This is an old tech alert for sure, and it is starting to drive Dwight crazy. Why are all of his calls going to Jim?

[Jenna Fischer]

Jim explains that Dwight left his cell phone on his desk, so naturally he paired it to his headset. But it goes on. Dwight's like, fine, then I'm going to reprogram my cell phone to go to my desk. Well, Jim took care of that, too. He forwarded Dwight's desk phone to his desk phone.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, I'm probably going to get some hate for this, but it does make me feel like Ryan was correct in sort of calling Jim out on his productivity, because look at all the effort. He went into this, like, earpiece prank, and he probably could have made some sales during this time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's what I want to say about that. Because I worked in corporate America for a long time, and I often felt like I could get all of my work done in about five hours, but I was required to sit there for eight.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, sometimes you can get what needs to be done faster than the company has allotted. And so I think that was the case with Jim. I think he does very good in sales. I don't know. I guess Ryan was like, what if you really spent those extra hours making sales? But I don't know. He's getting it done and he's. I mean, sometimes I feel like these work hours are rather arbitrary. How about work until your work is done and then go home and enjoy your life?

[Angela Kinsey]

I like that. Jenna, you sound like some upstart company where you're like, here's the thing, everyone gets pockets.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

You work as long as you want. Get your done. We don't care. Also, we have a soapbox in the lobby, and you can stand on it at any point in your day if you need to make any declarations about anything.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And finally, we have, like, a zombie apocalypse shelter ready to go.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. We have a panic room, totally stocked. That's Jenna's company.

[Jenna Fischer]

Who wants to work for me? Come work for me. That sounds amazing. You know what is funny? I've basically created that job with this podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

You have? You've given yourself all of those things, except maybe the zombie apocalypse room. I don't know. Do you have. Wait, is there something you need to tell me?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't have a whole room, but I've got all my backpacks ready to go. I have a catch for this cold open. It's a Jenna catch. During this cold open, Jim pretends to talk to Dwight's mother. Yeah, right. He says, motor, tell fter I'm getting married. Yeah, well, in fun Run, do you remember, Angela, when Dwight is trying to make your character feel better about sprinkles dying? He offers to have sprinkles stuffed. Or he offers to have sprinkles buried in the east field by mother. Yeah, Dwight's mother is not living.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, little continuity error.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I was very proud of my catch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well done. Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guess what.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's Toby's last day. Michael is dancing through the office. He's gotten there so early, no one is there, and he's literally dancing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, he says, today is one of those days, you know, you will remember for the rest of your life.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a countdown until his horribleness is out of the building.

[Jenna Fischer]

He sets an alarm on his watch. Mm. That's going to go off. As Toby has his final moments in the office. He's so excited, he's giddy. Toby arrives he goes back to HR and Kelly hugs him. She can't believe it's his last day. She feels so weird. Toby feels fine. He's not upset.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, conference room meeting. Angela. The party planning committee is going to discuss Toby's goodbye party.

[Angela Kinsey]

I loved every minute of this scene.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved every minute of doing it. I loved every minute of watching it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I am so very pregnant. I am at that stage in pregnancy where you can't hide it. Look at my face.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, your belly is practically in your neck. Let's be honest. I don't know how you fit under that table.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm a short person. You guys. Tall people, when they're pregnant, they go up. But when you're short, you just go out. And it was like my head was sitting on top of my belly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela tells Michael, here's what they've got for the party. A buttercream cake and a slideshow of Toby. But they only have two photos of Toby. They're just two different expressions. Standing, getting coffee in the kitchen. It's amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael is like, absolutely not. No, no, no. This needs to be very special. Toby is going away forever. He wants the party to end. All parties.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. He says when someone in New Orleans leaves, they throw a parade for them. And Pam says, you want to throw Toby a New Orleans funeral? Because that's what that means. That's the parade Michael is talking about

[Angela Kinsey]

in the shooting draft. Jenna. There were a few more extra lines to the scene that really tickled me. So Pam says that line, and then Michael says, if that's appropriate, then that's what I want. I want something that says, oh, wow, okay. Oh, God, thank God. And then Angela says a prayer. You want a prayer party? And then that's when Michael says, if the devil were to explode and evil disappeared, that's what he says in the script. That's the kind of party I want to throw.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela explains they only have enough money for a cake and maybe to develop a few more slides. Toby will not be in them. And that is when Michael gets out

[Angela Kinsey]

his shoe, as one does. You get out your shoe, you pull up the insole, and you have a wad of cash.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Michael explains every year his Grandma sends him $50 for his birthday. But lately she's been sending him about nine or ten checks a year. He was saving for a motorcycle, Angela. But he thinks this is what he wants to spend his money on. We had a fan question from Isabella D. In Ketcher in the Rye. Holden says that his loaded grandmother has been losing her marbles a little bit and has been sending him money for his birthday multiple times a year. Was this a happy coincidence or an intentional reference? And who came up with it?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. Do you know?

[Jenna Fischer]

I found out Paul wrote this. He said it was not intentional. It's just a happy coincidence. But I would like to say Isabella Dee. APPLAUSE I applaud you for being very, very well read.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And bringing up this literary parallel reference.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, well, Michael starts listing all of these ridiculous things he wants at this party. He says he wants to feel like he's flying through the air without this ugly weight holding him down. He wants an anti gravity machine. And you know what? Angela has had it. She has had it. She said she doesn't want his foot money.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that made me laugh out loud, lady. I loved foot money. I mean, I laughed out loud.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, in the script, Jenna. I looked because I was curious about the direction of the scene. And it says that Angela pushes the money back towards Michael. And I added that I did it with my pen. That was me.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what I loved about it. You didn't even want to touch it.

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

It disgusted you so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, but it was so fun. I remember us getting really tickled, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. We loved these scenes with Steve and the party planning committee. They are truly some of my favorite to shoot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it was just candy. It didn't feel like work. I just couldn't wait. And my biggest goal was just to not laugh so that we could get some usable footage.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now Michael is going to put Phyllis in charge. I loved it so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

Phyllis crushed it. The way she said yes. When Michael asks her if she will plan the party, it is like she has waited for this moment her whole life. So I have a little script tidbit to share. After Phyllis says yes, it would have cut immediately to an Angela talking head. And it says, angela's talking head just starts with a huge fake laugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Angela says, I was going to let Phyllis be in charge of cups today. And even then, I had a stack of cups standing by in my trunk.

[Jenna Fischer]

Of course you did.

[Angela Kinsey]

Isn't that so good?

[Jenna Fischer]

They must have just loved writing those snarky talking heads for you, Angela. They're so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was going to let her be in charge of cups, sort of, but I doubt she could handle it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now the big moment. Holly Flax arrives, new HR rep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, and Toby has a talking head that as part of his last day, he's going to be training the new Human resources rep. And he says, again, the company has allotted only one day for this one training day. That's all you need.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's all you're going to say about this moment?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

What are you hinting at?

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't believe I have to bring this up. Lady. What? The blooming plant at reception.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hold up with your shade, Jenna Fisher. I have a whole plant breakdown I was going to bring up later. Thank you very much. I was going to let Holly have her moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, all right. Well, I shouldn't have doubted you. I'm sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't doubt me.

[Jenna Fischer]

But, I mean, all I saw was a blooming plant at reception. She's carrying a plant in her box. It was like a plant explosion. And as I was watching this episode, I thought, well, Angela's just gonna love that. So many plants.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not notice the plant in her box. She has a plant in her box.

[Jenna Fischer]

She has a plant in her box.

[Angela Kinsey]

How many times are we gonna say plant in her box?

[Jenna Fischer]

Hashtag plant in her box.

[Angela Kinsey]

It sounds dirty. Is that just me?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, it's not just you, but I kind of like it. I like it be like, hey, how was last night? Did you get a plant in your box? Is that too much?

[Angela Kinsey]

I want you to know if you go down there, I have a plant in my box. Oh, my gosh. What are we even talking about right now? We don't even know what we're talking about. We just know we're going to get the e. Oh, my gosh. Okay, wait. Since we're bringing up plants, I might as well do my plant breakdown here. Lady. Here's the thing. That is a very tall, blooming plant, two shades of pink. It's the happiest plant I've ever seen at front reception. I think I could be wrong, but I think they're gerber daisies. My plant people, I want to hear from you. What are these plants?

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam has a blooming plant in her box.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam is the happiest she's ever been.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And her plant is reflecting that now. It won't live past this week. She's going to have a dead plant in her box later.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, dear. You don't want a dead plant in your box, everyone. Well, here is why Pam is so happy. Everyone. And it's why her plant is blooming. She gets a very exciting email, and she is going to rush to the break room to tell Jim. He's just sitting there having some chips and a soda. Just tracking again. Not working.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Far today, he's played a prank and he needs a chip break.

[Angela Kinsey]

Busy day for Jim.

[Jenna Fischer]

She tells Jim she has been accepted to the Pratt School of Design for their three month program.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I titled the scene Happiness in the Break Room.

[Jenna Fischer]

She's really happy, but she's going to have to go to New York for three months.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a long time.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's not that long.

[Angela Kinsey]

It feels like forever. No, I'm kidding.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jim says it's no big deal. They'll just visit one another. He's being incredibly supportive. It's super, super swoony and wonderful. I went to the Pratt website because I want you to know how significant it is that Pam got accepted to this school.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, let's hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is listed as the 10th best art and design school in the world in 2020.

[Angela Kinsey]

The 10th. It's number 10.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's number 10.

[Angela Kinsey]

So it just barely made it in.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let me tell you, the other schools in the United States that made the list above Pratt. Oh, my God. Listen to her. Listen to the staff.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sorry I'm being so sassy. Oh, my gosh. Pratt people, I'm very proud of you. I think this is a huge achievement.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, here are some other great art and design schools in the United States. Parsons, Project Runway. Anyone? Tim Gunn.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hello? Make it Work.

[Jenna Fischer]

Rhode Island School of Design, mit, and the School of Art Institute of Chicago. Those were the other ones. But how about this? Since you're down on its number 10 ranking.

[Angela Kinsey]

I am not down on it. I just was playing around.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, in 2021, I found a list where it jumped to number four.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, good job.

[Jenna Fischer]

How about that? But listen to this part. Uh. Oh. As I was reading these lists of schools and their credentials, there's a part of it where they talk about the average early wages of a graduate from art school. I found this fascinating as an artist, as actors ourselves. Right? The average yearly wages are around $40,000 a year.

[Angela Kinsey]

Out of college.

[Jenna Fischer]

Out of college.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

But this led me to wanting to speak about the average wages of an actor.

[Angela Kinsey]

You guys, Jenna just got out her book that she wrote. We'll put in our stories where you can buy it. She's gonna quote herself from her book?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's right. I'm holding my own book that I wrote. It is called the Actor's A Survival Guide. I was not expecting this to become a book plug, but there you go. I'm going to now quote myself.

[Angela Kinsey]

You quote yourself, lady. I'm here for it.

[Jenna Fischer]

How badass is it that I'm about to quote myself from my own book? I'm sorry, that's kind of amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I would love to take a screen grab of you right now. It's adorable. And then I'll put a swipe up in our stories, Jenna, on where you can get your book, which is a fantastic book for anyone who's making a way in whatever your form of art is. It's a great, great book.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here, as I quote myself, I did some research on the average wages of an actor in general. And according to the Screen Actors Guild, which is the union that actors belong to, the median income for a working actor is $52,000 a year. But most of the SAG AFTRA membership earns less than $7,000 a year from acting. And only 5% of union actors earn more than $100,000 a year. But I did more math. I really break it down in the book because I said, let's pretend that you earn that median income of $52,000 a year from acting. You don't get to keep it because you have to pay agent commissions, manager commissions, taxes. So I calculated the average take home pay per year of a working union actor, and it is $29,000 a year, if you're lucky. If you're lucky. Yeah, that's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Listen, the artist's journey is not one that you do for money. You do it because you love to do it. It's because it's your passion and you feel like you couldn't do anything else, you know? And so you have to have your eyes wide open if you go into work as an artist, that you're doing it for the love of the art. And if you buy Jenna's book, you'll also get to see her early headshots, which are really a delight.

[Jenna Fischer]

And so many of them. I'm wearing overalls for a reason. I can't explain.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was a thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, let's get back to the episode. Moving on. Michael and Dwight are peering out of Michael's office. And they are looking on as Toby introduces Holly to Stanley. Michael hates her. He hates her. Dwight hates her head. Yeah. Doesn't like how her head is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight says it's an odd shape.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael thinks Dwight just says things to agree with him, but he does say, all right, fine, her head is weird.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. And then Michael says we should sell her an elevator pass.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Dwight's like, But our elevator doesn't require. Ah, hazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hazing. This is going to kick off a whole storyline for Dwight. Dwight is going to really lean into this idea of hazing. Holly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. Dwight's on a mission now. You know he loves having a call to action. Meanwhile, Phyllis is trying to find an anti gravity machine. So far, she's only found someone who can connect her to antidepressants. I am telling you, I have a catch. At 7 minutes, 39 seconds, Phyllis is about to break when the lady on the phone says antidepressants. You can see her starting to laugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a fan question about this Angela from Haley S, Corinne T. Rose P. And Joe S. They said, who is she talking to on the phone? Because many of them think it sounds like Amy Ryan. They were like, did Amy Ryan fill in as the woman on the phone? No, she did not. I asked Kentopedia about this. He said that we auditioned seven women to do this voiceover. He's pretty sure that we went with actress Molly Hagan. I could not find this part credited anywhere online. But I will tell you, if you saw Molly Hagan, you would recognize her. She's this brilliant comedic actress. I'd also like to point out she's been on Monk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no way. Yeah, I mean, Molly Hagan is like such a fantastic character actress. Like if we got her, we were so lucky. I know folks out there listening. I want you to know there are many, many more delicious deleted Phyllis scenes as she tries to plan this party. So many. But I would like to play one of my favorites for you now. It's from the dvd. It's a scene between Kevin and Phyllis. And then of course, a little bit of Angela sass at the end.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Paul Lieberstein]

Good news, Phil. The band just had a last minute cancellation.

[Jenna Fischer]

So we are available to play at

[Angela Kinsey]

the going away party tonight. No way. Do what you guys did at my wedding. That wasn't me, Phyllis. That.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was Chester on threes.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm talking about 30 police songs in a row, all off key, off tempo. And you forgot at least half the lyrics. But Phyllis, that was Scrantonicity Tayworth.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now I am with Scrantonicity too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Give me a break. Fine. Phyllis, I'm sorry that I ruined your wedding. I didn't meet Kev. Kevin. Nice job. Real nice. Thank you. I didn't mean it. Really? You didn't mean it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh my God. So many great details about Phyllis's wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

30 police songs in a row, off key, off tempo. They didn't know all the words. That would be Horrible. Oh, my gosh. And then I pop in at the end, and Jenna, for this scene, I remember filming it because I'm supposed to walk into the conference room. Like, I overheard. Like, way to go. But they couldn't hide my belly, so they had me snuggle up to the wall and then lean. Like, lean my head around the corner. It was so awkward. And on set that day was an NBC photographer, and he was in the conference room, and he took this picture of me leaning around the corner. And, lady, it's the photo they used on so many things. And I'm so clearly pregnant. I'm like, this photo. This is the day you're gonna take my picture. I'm gonna put it in stories. I can't believe it. Whenever I see it, I'm like, really? There's no other photo.

[Jenna Fischer]

This was the photo. This will live forever.

[Angela Kinsey]

Great. Fantastic.

[Jenna Fischer]

Congratulations.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now Toby is going to bring Holly to meet Michael. Michael is so annoyed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Now he's got to deal with female Toby.

[Jenna Fischer]

He says, listen, my job is to make the office fun. Your job is to make the office lame. Only one of us can win. He's basically like, newsflash, it's gonna be me.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Holly throws him a total curveball. She turns to Toby and is like, what did you do to him? And Toby's like, nothing. And Michael's like, no, he tortured me with his awfulness. And then Holly's like, yeah, I know what you mean. I nearly fell asleep when he gave me a tour of the files. Michael is thrown. He has met his person.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. And it's crazy. It's two sentences. And he's in love.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All of a sudden, she is the most attractive, wonderful woman he's ever met. He has this great talking head where he says, you know what? Thanks to Toby, he believed that the HR department was a breeding ground for monsters. But what he failed to realize was that not all monsters are bad. Like E.T. is Holly their E.T.

[Angela Kinsey]

yeah. Is Holly our extraterrestrial?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's just an awesome woman from this planet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Well, Holly is going to keep making the rounds. She's going to keep meeting people in the office. But before we do that, should we take a quick break?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Because I texted Creed about the moment that Creed meets Holly, and I'll share that when we come back. Yay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

H E L P.com OfficeLadies so I have a little fashion thing I've been doing lately.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, I don't know if you've noticed, but next to my watch on my wrist, I've started stacking a few little bangle y bracelets.

[Jenna Fischer]

It looks good, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

So I have this gold one on right now that I love. It's called the Penelope bracelet by Jenny Bird. Have you been on their website? It's so great.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I have earrings coming from Jenny Bird. Jenny Bird is amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

What I'm learning is that one great little Jewelry accent can make you look put together.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's true. This is a thing that stylists have taught me over the years. If you add a piece of jewelry or like a belt maybe, or just you don't just get dressed, you then there's an extra step, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

So it's like, oh, maybe I'm just in like a regular T shirt and jeans, but I've got this great little bracelet that makes me look like I'm like, mm, look at me. I'm sassy. So here's the thing. Their pieces are lightweight. They're comfortable. They go with everything. They're not fussy, but they make you look fantastic. And I like that because I'm not a fussy person.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Yay.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Is he getting a SimpliSafe system?

[Jenna Fischer]

He got it. Great.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

There's no safe like Simplisafe. All right, we are back. There is a fantastic scene between Creed and Holly where Holly's like, hey, I look forward to, you know, spending time with you and finding out what it is you do here. What do you do here? And Creed's little computer shuts down. His brain is like, oh, God. Oh, God. So I texted with Creed Bratton about this and he said he was so excited for the scene. He knew it was definitely in his comedy wheelhouse. And he said he purposely took an extra long beat after he shook hands with Holly and then walked away, he really wanted to drag out that moment. I thought it was so great. Because then it cuts to him hiding behind the refrigerator in the kitchen, and he's like, what is wrong with this woman? She's asking about stuff that's nobody's business. What do I do here? Qua. Qua. Acquire quire. Quibity choir. Quibity choir. Assurance.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. His job is quality assurance.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. But I'm getting close. But I just thought Creed was so great in it.

[Jenna Fischer]

So good. Well, Dwight is going to ask Holly if she has met Kevin yet. And as part of his hazing, he is going to tell her that Kevin is here as part of a special work program because he is slow. She goes up to Kevin and she really goes out of her way and he offers her some M and Ms. And Kevin is delighted that anyone is taking an interest in him. Right. Because all Angela ever does is say, shut up, Kevin. I don't think Oscar talks to Kevin much. He's stuck back there in that corner. He can't believe it. Someone cares about his M&Ms.

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought the way Amy Ryan, as Holly did all of her scenes was brilliant.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Michael is going to come over and he starts flirting with Holly. They are the worst. He says, if we hung you up, we'd have to kiss under you. He means mistletoe.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then he calls her a hologram. Then he says, and this sounds like something I would say. He says, are these guys boring your ears off?

[Jenna Fischer]

What would you say besides that?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think you say, are they talking, chatting your ear off? Not boring your ears off. That's not a saying. No one says that. Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that. You are the person who is like, nobody says boring your ears off when

[Angela Kinsey]

it's something you would totally say.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

But Michael is flustered. And then, oh, my gosh, he just starts speeding ahead. He's like, I'll make you a mix cd. What's your commute like? Oh, my gosh. Michael, slow down.

[Jenna Fischer]

Meanwhile, at reception, Pam gives Toby a going away present. It's a photo of everyone in the office and he can take it with him to Costa Rica. Isn't that so nice?

[Angela Kinsey]

So nice. Jenna, I found this photo. I have it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You do?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. They gave it to all of us,

[Jenna Fischer]

but I'm not in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You took it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I guess you didn't get it, but I have it. Oh, my gosh. Everyone is facing forward except for a Small blonde accountant who's facing sideways tucked behind people.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why?

[Angela Kinsey]

I wonder why she's facing sideways.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, that is so funny.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Jenna, they took this on set one day. We had to do that thing where we had to be in different wardrobe. You know what I mean?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And we took this picture in between scenes one afternoon.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's amazing. Well, I'm not in it because I was taking it. Toby's very sad and he's like, well, I love it, but maybe I could get a picture of the. Just the two of us. And Pam's like, sure, do you have a camera? And then Toby, like, screams out, does anyone have a camera?

[Angela Kinsey]

Paul was so good. I laughed so hard at that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jenna, we had a fan question from Mariah A. When Toby yells, does anyone have a camera? Was that scripted? Angela, can you check the script?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Okay, so it is in the script. It's written slightly different in the script. It says that Pam says, do you have your camera here? And Toby, louder than he's ever been, yells, who has a camera? Nobody answers. And Toby says, I'll go get one. So it is very similar. And it was in the script.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, it was so funny. I was thinking at this point in the story, remember Ryan gave us all blackberries. There's a camera on your BlackBerry. I guess that won't do for Toby. He wants a proper photo.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think he wants a real deal picture.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, next up, Jim's talking to Ryan on the phone. He's kind of bragging that he made a big sale. Ryan is not impressed. He's like, oh, congratulations, you did your job.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not only that, he says to Jim, don't interrupt. I mean, the Ryan sass is strong.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. He tells Jim, did you log it in the website yet? Log it in the website? Jim's like, well, I already entered it as a sale. He's like, I don't care. Log it in the website.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ooh. Mm. Ryan Sayf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Can we now talk about my favorite scene of this episode?

[Angela Kinsey]

Which one is it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael in his Office downloading the N3Pmusic for his CD mixtape for Hollywood.

[Angela Kinsey]

That whole couplet wasn't in the script.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, the N3P and the CD mixtape, that wasn't in the script, but the rest of the scene was. But just that language, which I have to think was either an alt or an ad lib. I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I love it so much. And I love Jim's response where he's like, close. Not quite.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep. No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael is asking Jim's advice. He needs to know what songs he should pick that work on two levels. And here are the two levels. Welcome to Scranton and I love you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And he fell in love with her when he first heard her voice. It was love at first. See with my ears.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jim is going to try to get Michael to pump the brakes. Okay. And he says, you know, I maybe have a little bit of experience with office romance. And Michael is like, who, Pam? That's still going on.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love this running joke that Michael is still surprised that they're dating.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. It's so good. Well, he really tries to explain to Michael, you can have this romance, but you just have to take it slow, let it build. Basically, he's saying, don't be a weirdo, Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't be Michael. Michael.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Take a new approach on this one.

[Jenna Fischer]

But this whole conversation where Jim is talking about his romance with Pam, all of these milestone moments in their relationship took place at work, in the office, leads him to realize he should propose to her at work tonight at the party.

[Angela Kinsey]

Full circle life moment. It should happen at Dunder Mifflin.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's really sweet. Jim goes into the conference room. He says, phyllis, I want fireworks at this party. And then he hands her an envelope of cash.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, lady. There is a deleted scene where when Jim walks in, he's like, hey, Phyllis, how's it going? And Phyllis goes, jim, I'm f ed. And they bleeped it out, but she clearly throws down the F bomb. And Jim's like, okay. It's so great. There's so many good. Phyllis deleted scenes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. But she's excited to get fireworks. She needs some showstopper moments, so this is good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Should we go into the break room? Kevin is staring at the vending machine. He's trying to decide what to get. When Holly sees him, she's gonna come help him. They could not get through this scene, by the way.

[Angela Kinsey]

They could not. There's bloopers from this scene.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, fan catch from Abby M. She thinks Brian's about to laugh on the button line. I mean, he almost breaks.

[Angela Kinsey]

He did repeatedly when they filmed it. So there's no doubt to me that

[Jenna Fischer]

she caught him breaking this scene does it for Kevin. He's like, I'm going to bang Holly. She is cute and helpful and seems really into me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Kevin has found his person.

[Jenna Fischer]

He has lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

At 16 minutes, 18 seconds, I have titled this Wowza. Go, Jim. Oh, yeah. Jim is hot to trot. And he calls Ryan. Hey, lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hot to trot. Means up for sex. Hot to trot.

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought it means you're all fired up.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're fired up to hook up. Are you sure hot to trot is like you get all dressed up to go out to a bar. I'm hot to trot. Anyone? Sam? Cassie, I have been saying this, like,

[Angela Kinsey]

when someone's irritated my whole life.

[Paul Lieberstein]

I've always used it that way, too. John.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you. Hot to trot. It's like you're fired up to, you know, meet someone and hook up and get it on.

[Angela Kinsey]

I thought I just meant you were pissed off. No, it doesn't.

[Paul Lieberstein]

Angela, I have to ask. In what scenarios have you been using it then?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, Sam, I'm like, racking my brain now of how many times I said this wrong. And someone probably thought, what is up with this lady? Where I'm like, oh, yeah, I was at the grocery store. I was hot to trot. They didn't have any of the items I went for.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like, wow, Angela gets really turned on at the grocery store when they don't have the items she needs. She gets hot to trot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. I went to get gas and I was gonna use the car wash, but it didn't work. And I'd already paid the machine. I was hot to trot. Oh, no. Oh, I've been doing it wrong, guys. Well, learn something every day. Okay?

[Jenna Fischer]

You could say Jim is coming in hot on the call to Ryan. Fired up. I think you're looking for fired up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think I'm looking for hot and bothered.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, hot bothered is also a little bit sexy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I'm so hot and bothered right now. You're looking for fired up. You're. You're thinking fire. That's making you think hot. You want take hot out of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Taking hot out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fired up. He is fired up.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's fired up. He's ready to trot. He calls Ryan and he leaves this message and he's like, hey, Ryan, it's Jim. Look, man, I don't know what's gotten into you lately, but you know what? I really don't care because you're trying to get rid of me. And I bet you don't think I care enough about this job to actually fight back, but you're wrong, because I do, and I will. So you can keep trying to push me out of this place, but guess what? I'm not going anywhere. And he hangs up the phone because he is hot. He's fired up. He's bothered, he's pissed.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, What? Angela? Pam isn't there to hear this phone call, but if she had heard it, she would have been hot to trot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Somebody in this scenario is hot to trot.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's Pam. Well, now Michael is going to go back to hr. He can't find Holly. Where is she? You know where she is. She's on the floor. She's taken apart her chair.

[Angela Kinsey]

In the script, it says Holly is sitting cutely on the floor. Oh, my gosh. She explains to Michael that she's trying to fix the lumbar support on her chair. And she's like, great story, huh? I'm going to sell the movie rights. Michael is so excited. There's a bit. There's a bit. So he goes, and the sequel woman stands at desk and works. And Holly laughs. She chuckles. She chuckles.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Michael's going to get down on the floor with her. He offers to help her put her chair back together, but he can't sit how she's sitting. He says, how are you sitting? Like that? And she says, yoga, while Michael's brain hears yoga. And then he does a Yoda impression.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sit on floor and put chair together.

[Jenna Fischer]

We will. And then there's this pause, and you're like, oh, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no. She doesn't think he's funny. Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

But then she does a Yoda impression back. Oh, melt my heart.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pass. Curvy metal piece you will. That's it. Michael is sunk. He is so in love.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, Amy, Ryan did not know Yoda. What? She had to Google scenes of Yoda in order to get the voice right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, she nailed it. Good job, Amy. Clearly, you're in the Jenna club of not knowing Star Wars. I'm gonna let it slide.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Michael, he is so smitten. Right? But he's trying to take Jim's advice. So he very awkwardly asks Holly if she's going to be in town this weekend, but then says, because I won't be.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Hey, are you gonna be in town this weekend? Because I won't be. What?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. And she says, that's too bad. You're gonna miss my orgy. And Michael is like, what? I mean, in addition to the Yoda impression, now she makes a kind of sexy joke, which is usually Michael's wheelhouse. Right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And then she's, like, kidding. And then he's, like, kidding. Acting. And she knows immediately. Acting. They're doing Lovett. Both of them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Jon Lovitz played this character on SNL called the Master Thespian. And it's such a funny Bit. He's like this sort of egomaniacal actor, and he spoke with, like, this sort of plummy Shakespearean accent. And he would try to trick the other people in the scenes into believing he was hurt or that, like, something terrible was happening. And then when they would stop the scene, be like, oh, are you okay? He'd be like, ha, ha, acting. It was such a funny bit. So that's what they're bonding over now. It's just amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

This scene was so charming, right? It was so cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, building on this moment, there was another scene in the shooting draft where Holly and Michael are in the kitchen at the same time, and they're sharing coffee and they're doing Cookie Monster impressions.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my God. I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm sure when they edited it, they were like, we don't have enough time for both. Let's pick one. So they did the Yoda scene, but they sort of spent the whole day doing these bits together. It's really sweet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it makes sense then when Michael rushes over to Jim's desk. And everyone, as you watch this scene, I just want you to remember that Steve Carell never won an Emmy Award for playing Michael Scott on the Office. And it is a tragedy, because this scene, this scene of him, he is so wired. He says, I, I, I, I, I laid a base. I laid a base. And even though I wanted to kiss her, I didn't. I mean, it's such good acting. It's so good, all of it. I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Phyllis now is going to go over to Angela and admit that she needs some help with the party planning. She's going to need the vendors that Angela has, all the lists, all the phone numbers. Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

But you know what? You know what just happened to that vendor list?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, someone shredded it just now.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Phyllis is like, why would you do that? And Angela says, why do you think?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I just don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

So good, Angela, you're so good in that scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Phyllis knocks the papers off of Angela's desk. I have two things to share. First of all, that whole scene was in the script and Phyllis knocking the papers off the desk. I wanted to see if that was in the script. It was. So that was all written out. But I wanted to share something with you guys. I remember when we rehearsed the scene, because, you know, you guys, we would rehearse for camera so they would know where to line up their shots, Right. When Phyllis said to me in the rehearsal, can I get a list of your vendors? I'm supposed to Bend over quickly, hold the basket up and say, I shredded it. There was no quickly about it. I was very pregnant. I couldn't reach the basket. They set on the ground easily. So I was like. And then they were like, okay, that's not gonna do. We can't see you struggling to reach the garbage bin, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So Matt Sohn, who was so sweet, who was our camera operator, he was like, let's just set it on an apple box. You won't see. See it. So Angela doesn't have to bend all the way down to the floor. So if you watch the scene, I have that basket so ready to go. It's because I don't even have to bend over to reach it.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's right there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I was very pregnant. Guys, this is something that comes up for Jen and I as we rewatch these episodes. There's real life that meets the fiction, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

All of the memories of what you had to go through to make these scenes work.

[Angela Kinsey]

To pick up a trash bin when you're super pregnant.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. Well, now we cut back to Michael, and Holly's kind of still working on the chair, and Toby approaches, and Michael needs to get rid of Toby. He's like, why don't you go home and come back for the party? But Toby says, well, we still have to do my exit interview. All right, guys. Michael has a talking head. He says he's been steeped in anticipation of this moment. Toby has been quote, cruisin for a bruising for 12 years. And my name is Captain Bruzen.

[Angela Kinsey]

The look on Michael's face says it all. He has been waiting for this moment for a long time and he can't wait.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm sorry to tell you that we're going to stop here. You will have to wait for this exit interview. It's how we will start out next week with Goodbye, Toby Part two.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you so much to Jen Salata, Paul Lieberstein, Kit Sabornak, Creed Bratton for letting us hit you up with questions about this episode. I love our office family so much. They show up for us every week, you guys. Big love to those folks.

[Jenna Fischer]

They are really helping us get all the details of these episodes. And I love that we're recording it. We're gonna have it. We're gonna have this record forever. Forever.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, Goodbye, Toby. Part one is done. You know you're hot to trot for next week. And we'll be here.

[Jenna Fischer]

We sure will be. We'll see you then. Thank you. For listening to Office Lady's second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jurkins and our audio engineer and associate producer is Molly Nugent. Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Rees Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

[Angela Kinsey]

The Emmy winning comedy Scrubs is coming back to ABC with a fresh Pulse. It's been 15 years since we've checked in with the gang at Sacred Heart Hospital. The beloved original cast, Zach Braff, Donald Faison and Sarah Chalk scrub back in older and maybe wiser.

[Jenna Fischer]

Judy Reyes and John C. McKinley also reprise their iconic roles. And Scrubs fans, you'll be thrilled to see some of your other fan favorite characters pop up, though we can't reveal any more names just yet.

[Angela Kinsey]

After creating huge hits like Ted Lasso and Shrinking, executive producer Bill Lawrence has put together a diverse, talented group of writers to bring to life the Scrubs universe of today.

[Jenna Fischer]

And there's a healthy injection of super funny, colorful new characters, including a fresh group of newbie interns and co workers slash nemeses like Vanessa Bayer and Joel Kim. Booster.

[Angela Kinsey]

The new season of Scrubs, Wednesdays at 8, 7 Central on ABC and streaming on Hulu.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you know that Whole Foods is color coded now? If you go through the store and you see a yellow sign, Yellow sign means sale. Oh, it means low price. Same high quality, but it means sale.

[Angela Kinsey]

Huh. Well, I love Whole Foods Market when it comes time for easy dinners because they have so many things that are really great and I'm sometimes on the rush, like when Josh isn't cooking. Then it's left to me. Yes, I just want to go in and grab a few things. They have burritos ready to go, Soups so much more.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, they have the best empanadas. Have you gotten their empanadas?

[Angela Kinsey]

I have.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, and also for those weeknight shortcuts, you can go to the aisles that feature the 365 brand. Rice, beans, chunky salsas.

[Jenna Fischer]

Voila.

[Angela Kinsey]

You could have a taco night like that.

[Jenna Fischer]

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