Second Drink: Job Fair

Summary

Office Ladies “Second Drink: Job Fair” (Season 4, Episode 17)

Release Date: February 23, 2026
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

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Episode Overview

In this “Second Drink” installment, Jenna and Angela offer a deep dive into "Job Fair," Season 4, Episode 17 of The Office. The pair revisit deleted scenes, answer fan questions, and provide behind-the-scenes details only two cast members can. Topics include the infamous cut cold open, filming locations, hidden continuity details, special guest stars, and, of course, life lessons in office culture. The tone: breezy, warm, vulnerable, and filled with unmistakable best-friend banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Infamous Deleted Cold Open: Michael’s Toilet Tragedy

[02:20 - 06:23]

• Angela shares that the deleted cold open (now restored in the Peacock Superfan cut) involves Michael losing all his possessions to a toilet mishap: “My cell phone fell out...then my gluetooth...my wallet, my tip calculator, my candy corn, my white strips—all fell into the toilet.” (Michael Scott, [03:11])
• Michael’s rationale for throwing his keys: “I threw the keys in out of anger.” ([03:48])
• Jenna and Angela express disbelief this wasn’t kept: “I can’t believe that this was cut. I would have cut anything out of the episode...” (Jenna Fischer, [04:27])
• The cold open sparked laughter during the table read, especially the “keys in out of anger” moment.
• Michael’s “invention” to prevent dropping things into the toilet—described as a tennis racket with a brush hanging from it—broke Jenna in the scene.
• Angela: “It’s just so ridiculous...you have to do your business through the racket threads.” ([05:55])

2. Spotting Continuity & Deep Cuts

[06:23 - 08:22]

• Listener Sandra P. notes the irony of the series’ start being about downsizing, yet here the staff attempts to hire at a job fair. “Michael should have hired Devin back.” ([06:44])
• Angela and Jenna reflect on the series' evolution and discuss the school trophy case scene: Pam sees Roy’s glory but her own art is missing—a subtle dig at her character, noted by fan Patrick R. ([07:51])

3. Guest Star Shout-Outs

[08:53 - 10:01]

• Charlie McDermott (the cool high school guy) gets his due: appeared in Frozen River, The Middle, now mainly a musician, and “is an Aries.” ([09:59])
• Trevor Einhorn (Justin, the intern candidate) is a Scorpio and not related to D.P. Randall Einhorn ([43:49])

4. Filming Locations Breakdown

[12:21 - 16:03]

• Valley View High School (Pam’s alma mater) is real—near Scranton—but the shoot used Birmingham High (Van Nuys, CA).
• Other Birmingham filmings: Gwen Stefani’s Hollaback Girl video, Eminem’s No Love, an episode of Monk ([13:49]).
• Vista Valencia Golf Course doubled as Scranton’s golf course; Jenna details pricing, the concept of “foot golf,” and pony keg lore.
• Angela: “I would foot golf if there was, like, a pony keg set up on, like, the eighth hole.” ([17:13])

5. Behind-the-Scenes Pregnancy & Crew Stories

[18:10 - 19:52]

• Angela was “super pregs”—shots framed shoulders-up to hide her belly ([18:19]).
• Angela shares filming while pregnant; visiting the golf course with Creed and Ed Helms, who wrote and performed a song for her baby (still searching for the video).

6. Scripts, Deleted Scenes & Fan Mysteries

[24:06 - 26:16]

• Angela brings in her script and confirms that the discarded cold open (Michael’s “mesh toilet guard invention”) was indeed scripted, not improvised.
• The episode uniquely lacks a classic comedic cold open; instead, the plot begins immediately.

7. Plot & Character Breakdowns

A. The Job Fair Crew

[26:28 - 43:49]

• Michael, Pam, Oscar, and Daryl attend the job fair. Michael brings only a single blank sheet of paper, representing “endless possibilities” ([39:52]).
• Michael’s real purpose: “I am lonely and I need a new Ryan.” ([26:56], deleted scene)
• Observations about Pam: her return to the high school is quietly traumatic—her art is absent, Roy’s football legacy remains.
  • “It’s hard to realize that you’ve put your hopes and dreams on hold.” (Angela, [48:49])
• Continuity: Justin writes “Justin E.” on a sign-in—because the actor’s real last name is Einhorn ([42:48]).
• Michael tanks his one lead (Justin) with: “Paper should be more of a hobby for you.” ([41:07])
• Michael’s disinterest in the only interested intern candidate, then later desperation, provides a classic cringey arc.

B. The Golf Course Capers

[28:15 - 57:52]

• Jim, on thin ice at work, brings Andy (Cornell snobbery and rivalry with Dartmouth explained) and Kevin (the office’s ringer/gambler).
• Andy quickly sabotages things: “My grandfather would be spinning in his urn if he knew he was golfing with a Dartmouth alum.” (Andy)
• Jim’s “diabolical plan” was to bond with McGuire over Andy’s obnoxious Cornell pride, though evidence is mixed.
• Makeup story: Ed Helms’ “blisties” took 20-30 minutes to apply and required careful handling ([31:53]).
• A spirited debate arises about handwashing habits at home ([32:28 - 33:48]).
• Lesson: don’t pop blisters, medical wisdom from Jenna ([34:06]).
• Golf gambling: Kevin lists “Skins, Ac Doocy, Bingo, Bango, Bongo, Sandy’s, Barky’s, Wolf, Arnie’s” ([35:04]).
• The writers chose Kevin for both his “betting” subplot and as the office’s best actual golfer (Brian Baumgartner’s real-life 7 handicap).
• Andy’s crash: Ed Helms did NOT perform the golf cart stunt ([54:49]).

C. Dunder Mifflin’s Remaining Staff (Dwight & Angela)

[40:01 - 65:27]

• Mass exodus: Only Dwight and Angela remain (rule followers both); everyone else bails as soon as they can.
• “Pumpkin’s out!”—a classic Creed-Angela bit that's become their lifelong text sign-off ([44:38]):
  • “Ever since we shot Job Fair, he has called me pumpkin.” (Angela, [45:18])
• Angela’s delight stems from being alone: “Whenever I’m here by myself, I like to pretend that all the others are dead. So this is nice.” (deleted talking head, [45:37])
• Minor rekindling: Angela says “Bless you” to Dwight; he holds the door for her as they leave ([64:54]).

8. Favorite Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Michael: “It is not toilet humor. It is toilet tragedy.” ([04:03])
• Jenna on handwashing: “It’s really clear now that I don’t always wash my hands after I pee at home. I feel like maybe we were going to bond over something that now we’re not bonding over.” ([33:23])
• Angela (deleted scene): “Whenever I’m here by myself, I like to pretend that all the others are dead. So this is nice.” ([46:06])
• Michael about Pam: “Listen, I wouldn’t say this to her face, but she’s a wonderful person and a gifted artist.” (to Justin, [59:07]).
  Oscar’s deadpan: “Why wouldn’t you say that to her face?” ([59:19])
• Michael’s pitch at the end: “…do not offer college credit and they cannot give you any sort of pay, but it's a super fun work environment. Anyone? Show of hands, anyone?” ([63:29])

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Notable Timestamps

• [02:20] - Cold open discussion, deleted toilet scene
• [12:21] - Valley View/Birmingham High School filming location
• [16:03] - “Foot golf” revelation and pony keg discussion
• [32:28] - Blisters, hand washing debate, and health tips
• [44:38] - “Pumpkin’s out!” (Creed’s nickname for Angela)
• [46:06] - Angela’s (deleted) talking head: “Whenever I’m here…I pretend all others are dead.”
• [64:54 & 65:14] - Angela and Dwight’s silent rekindling: bless you & holding the door
• [66:31] - Jim and Pam’s celebratory make-out session; Michael: “Yeah, kiss her. Kiss her good.”
• [69:23] - Nelson Franklin cameo and seeds planted for Pam’s graphic design arc

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Fan Mail & Observations

• Listeners spot continuity, e.g. Pam’s missing artwork and Roy’s longevity in the trophy case as subtle emotional gut-punches.
• Speculation about script details is clarified with Angela’s script: e.g., pumpkin reference, golf course casting rationale, and character pairings.

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Shout-Outs

• Stand-ins Lori and Steven Socks make a brief, appreciated appearance. Their advocacy podcast “If We Knew Then” is recommended for parents in the Down syndrome community ([61:41]).
• Brian Baumgartner’s real-life golf prowess (celebrity tournaments, 7 handicap) is highlighted.

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Closing Moments

• Jim and Pam’s extended make-out: was scripted, both a fan and in-character crowd-pleaser ([68:02]).
• Michael hovers and says, “Yeah, kiss her. Kiss her good.” ([68:02]), which Jenna insists broke her and John during filming.
• The final scene sets up Pam’s future graphic design storyline, planting seeds for Season 5 ([69:23]).
• Angela plugs Nelson Franklin’s subsequent work and her experience with him on Netflix’s BlackAF.

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In the Office Ladies’ Tone...

Endearing, funny, occasionally TMI (handwashing, anyone?), and always filled with gratitude for fans and crew alike. Jenna and Angela reinforce both the community around The Office and their own friendship through candid production details and emotional observations.

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For further details, be sure to check out “If We Knew Then” podcast (Steven & Lori Socks), and don’t forget to watch the Superfan cut of “Job Fair” for Michael’s full toilet adventure!

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Listen Next:

Finale of Season 4!

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“Pumpkin’s out!”

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Such a weird list. We also got tons of mail about the deleted cold open that I had shared about for this episode. It's where Michael loses all of the stuff in the toilet. Yep, it was in deleted scenes and I wasn't able to play it, but it's been added back to the Peacock superfan version. It starts with Michael screaming from the bathroom, and Dwight rushes off to help him. And then they both walk into the bullpen, and Dwight is carrying a bunch of stuff and a paper towel. Let's hear it.

[Michael Scott]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael. Michael,

[Michael Scott]

I do not want to talk about it. Unbelievable. That.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, what happened, Michael?

[Michael Scott]

Oh, wouldn't you like to know what happened in the bathroom by myself? Pervy. Suffice to say, I finished my business. I was just checking to make sure everything was fine, and my cell phone fell out. And on. Not in, but, like, on the rim. And then it fell in. Just let me tell the story, okay, Jim? I knocked it with my knee and then it fell in. And then I leaned over and looked and my gluetooth fell out of my ear, and that fell in. And then I got flustered and everything started falling in. My wallet fell in. My tip calculator, my candy corn, my white strips all fell in to the toilet.

[Angela Kinsey]

And your keys fell in.

[Michael Scott]

I threw the keys in out of anger.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Michael Scott]

This cannot happen again.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what you said last time.

[Michael Scott]

I know I did. Phyllis, this is not funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is not funny. Although technically, it is toilet humor, which you claim to enjoy.

[Michael Scott]

It is not toilet humor. It is toilet tragedy. Hey. Hey, you know what? This is the best thing that ever

[Angela Kinsey]

happened to me, this whole scene. Please, you guys. It's so worth a watch. It's so funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't believe that this was cut. I would have cut anything out of the episode. I mean, it's a great episode, but, like, I feel like more should have been done to keep this cold open. I say it in our breakdown, but I remember from the table read, laughing so hard when he says he threw his keys in out of anger.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. Also, how much shit does he keep in his pocket? Like, how much?

[Jenna Fischer]

How did the tip calculator get involved?

[Michael Scott]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

So after this, there is a scene where Michael comes out of his office and he is holding a new invention. This is the invention that is gonna save you from. From having your stuff fall in the toilet. Right. And you described it from the script when we first broke down the episode. But, oh, my gosh. Seeing the footage again. Oh, Michael is showing it off. He's standing at reception. So I'm in this two shot with him, and he's holding up his invention. And I just remember the first time I saw it, I immediately started laughing. This is something that Phil Shea had to make, and I had not seen it yet. And it broke me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, it's just so ridiculous. It's like the head of a tennis racket, but then the handle's been chopped off. But then it's like a dishwashing brush attached, but then it has a chain. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know the thing you wash your dishes with the brush. Like, imagine that dangling from the top of a tennis racket by a chain. So I guess if you put the

[Angela Kinsey]

racket over the top.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you have to do your business through the racket threads.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And then you use the brush because, as Michael says, it's self cleaning.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Which, I mean, it's you cleaning.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's you cleaning. But you clearly can only go number one.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, I would think, but it's just. It's so absurd. But it's also just one of the funniest things.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm so glad it's in the super van. Same. Okay, well, we also got this letter from Sandra P. Sandra says, whenever I watch Job Fair, I find it interesting that the series starts with downsizing and closing branches and firing people. And now they are actively recruiting people at a job fair. Michael should have hired Devin back.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved this letter because I didn't even put that together. Yes. The whole series of the Office of season like one through three is just about downsizing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Are we going to lose our job?

[Jenna Fischer]

Stanford closes. We're constantly worried about losing our jobs, but now we're at a job fair.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Now we're recruiting people to work for us that we can't afford to hire.

[Jenna Fischer]

So true. So you know in this episode when Pam has to go find a second sheet of paper, do you remember that whole thing, like, Michael is like, bring one piece of paper. Yeah. And then somebody signs their name on it. So she has to go find another piece of paper. Another piece of paper. Well, she goes to her old art room, and along the way she sees a photo of Roy in the trophy case in the hallway. He's in, like, his football gear, and it says he was all city team, first place, 1995. Pam stops and she looks at it and she says, roy, nine years of my life. Then she goes into the art room and she's kind of looking to see, oh, my gosh, I wonder if it's still up on display.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, Pam's art.

[Jenna Fischer]

Some art piece that she was obviously proud of, and it's not. Well, I love this observation we got from Patrick R. In Boise, Idaho, who said, I always thought it was an extra dig at Pam that Roy's photo was still displayed, but her art was gone. They left up his accomplishment, but not hers. It's so weird. I never put that together. I never put together that. Like, it was like this added dig and I liked that. I'm sure that was intentional by the writers when I missed it the first time.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's also sort of that. And I don't know if you guys had experienced this in any of your schools growing up, but I do remember our football team had the biggest budget and our arts and theater did not.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

So a little bit that. Of course, those trophies are still around.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And also, like, you don't get trophies. Necessary. There's no trophy case for the artists in the school. The debaters, maybe the athletes best one act play.

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe there's a plaque somewhere back in

[Jenna Fischer]

the green room or speech. Yeah, you know. Well, finally we got this letter from Jennifer M. Who said you didn't Talk about Charlie McDermott playing the cool high school guy on the podcast. Did he act in the job fair while he was on the Middle? Well, first off, my apologies for not giving Charlie McDermott a proper guest star breakdown. I'm gonna do it now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Great.

[Jenna Fischer]

Charlie broke onto the acting scene with his role in Frozen river, for which he was nominated for an independent film award. He went on to star in the middle. He did 215 episodes over nine years. He even directed an episode. And yes, he must have been doing the Middle at this time. Charlie is now primarily a musician. And when I did my guest star breakdown for Trevor Einhorn in this episode, I mentioned that Trevor was a Scorpio. Angela, you asked me if I was going to mention the astrological signs of our future guest stars. I have not. But just since it's all in this episode, I thought I would add that Charlie McDermott is an Aries.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, that's fantastic.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you guys, that's all we got. Please enjoy your second drink of job fair.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Rewatch podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week, we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office ladies. Hi, lady and everyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hi everyone out there. I'm so happy you're here listening. Jenna and I, someday we're gonna come out there and take it on the road and meet you. Whoa.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's news to me. I guess we're doing it, though, because if Angela gets an idea, it's gonna happen.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think we gotta do one in Scranton, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, well, that's a given.

[Angela Kinsey]

We gotta go to Scranton. We gotta do an office. Ladies from Scranton.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. It's been said now it must be done.

[Angela Kinsey]

Lady, tell them what we're talking about today.

[Jenna Fischer]

Today is. Season 4, Episode 17 Job Fair. This was written by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stepnitsky, writers of Dinner Party, and directed by Tucker Gates. Would you like a summary?

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't wait for your summaries. Like, Wednesday night, you know, because we record on Thursday. I go to bed and I'm like, ooh, what is Jenna's summary gonna be?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know you do. I know you try to text me and get me to tell you my summaries ahead. I say you're just gonna have to wait for it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, you wanna surprise me? I go to bed thinking about it. I wake up thinking about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here it is. Wait no longer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael, Pam, Oscar and Daryl attend a job fair at Pam's alma mater, Valley View High School, in search of the, quote, best and brightest potential summer interns. Jim is on probation at Dunder Mifflin. You know, he got his warning from Ryan. So? So he is going to attempt to redeem himself by working a potential client over golf. With the help of Andy and Kevin, the rest of the Dunder Mifflin employees take the day off, despite a warning from Dwight, except for Angela, who ends her silent treatment of him when they find themselves alone in the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's perfect. That's a perfect summary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

You're welcome.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fast fact number one, Valley View High School, Pam's alma mater.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

We got mail. Kavya R. And Courtney K. Asked, is Valley View High School a real high school? And did you film there? And it is a real high school.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ding, ding, ding.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's about nine miles north of Scranton in the suburb of Archbold. Their school mascot is the Cougar. And their school colors appear to be blue and yellow. Maybe blue and gold.

[Angela Kinsey]

Goldish yellow. I went to the website because it's the Cougar. Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

So you're saying it's yellow?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm saying it's goldy yellow. Goldish yellow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. Their colors are blue and goldish yellow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

We did not film at that school. Oh, no. We filmed at Birmingham High School in Van Nuys, California. By the way, in my research, I discovered that the music videos for Gwen Stefani's Hollaback Girl, Eminem's no Love, and Lil Wayne's Prom Queen have also all filmed at Birmingham High School.

[Angela Kinsey]

Very, very popular location.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, wait for it. Angela, do you know what else is filmed there?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, God. Oh, let me guess, let me guess. Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, Greece. It's an office connection.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, 40 year old virgin.

[Jenna Fischer]

An episode of Monk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh,

[Jenna Fischer]

an episode of Monk. What is it with the Office and Monk?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I really wish we had filmed back in like the 50s. Remember when they would do those crossover episodes and all of a sudden like, Laverne and Shirley would be over at, you know, the Fonzie's house? Yeah, it'd be like happy days, Laverne and Shirley. What if we had a Monk the Office crossover?

[Jenna Fischer]

I wish we could go back in time and make that happen because we clearly use the same locations and the same guest stars.

[Angela Kinsey]

Have Tony Shalhoub walk into the bullpen. Come on.

[Jenna Fischer]

And interview someone. Maybe Toby for being the Scranton Strangler. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

We did it. We did it.

[Jenna Fischer]

There it is, everybody. Your office reunion is also a Monk crossover. Done. A little more information on the school. The school colors for Birmingham High School appear to be blue and white. Kent Zabornak told me that we had to create all of our own signage and props for the school because we had to make sure, per our agreement with Birmingham High School, that none of their actual logos or artwork or signage was seen. So there you go. We made it all. Everything hanging on the wall. Everything.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wowzers, that's a lot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Listen, when Kent told me that as I was watching the episode, I was like, that's a lot of signs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, check it out. Our art department was very busy this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

They were. I'm moving us into fast fact number two. It's called golfing. Wait, wait.

[Angela Kinsey]

I sense a location breakdown.

[Jenna Fischer]

You are correct, Angela. And it's because we got a fan question from Sophia D. Where did you film the scenes at the golf course? Because I'll have you notice, I looked. We never see a sign for where our guys are supposed to be. I googled there is a Country Club of Scranton that offers golf as well as a few other golf courses near the Scranton area. I don't know which course this is supposed to be, but we filmed at Vista Valencia Golf Course in Santa Clarita. It's a 27 hole facility. It has an 18 hole par 61 course and a 9 hole par 3 course. Now here's what I found. Very interesting. Maybe only to me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

The prices to play depend on what day you're playing. And also what time you arrive. It's least expensive to go during the week in the afternoon. If you come first thing in the morning, it's going to cost you 2450 to walk the course or 3650 to ride it. If you come at 3 o', clock, it's only $13 to walk it and 23.50 to ride it. But why is it more expensive to ride it? Is it because it comes with the cart? I couldn't find that information. It seems like you'd flow faster if you're riding it than if you're walking it. Guess what, everybody? I don't know a lot about golfing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't. This is why I'm quiet. Because I'm like, I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

But here's the big kicker. And this is why I think you and I need to go to this golf course.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

They have something called footgolf.

[Angela Kinsey]

Foot golf.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'd never heard of it. It's a real thing. It's a combination of soccer and golf and hacky sack. I think you could hackie and sack it in there. There's basically a special golf course, but the holes are really big and you kick the ball down the course into the hole.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, foot golf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Maybe we could frolf and then foot golf.

[Angela Kinsey]

I would foot golf if there was, like, a pony keg set up on, like, the eighth hole. So, like, you kick your ball, then you have a beer, then you kick your ball.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's a pony keg?

[Angela Kinsey]

A pony keg is that. Don't y' all have pony kegs? It's like a party keg. It's like a mini keg of beer. A pony keg, anyone? Sam? Cassie? Pony keg. Ever heard of it?

[Jenna Fischer]

A pony keg is a mini keg.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it's like a baby keg. No, you're right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pony keg is a quarter keg. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's a half keg called?

[Angela Kinsey]

Silence.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't find any cool names. Oh, so you can get up. Here are your choices. Pony keg, half keg. Keg. I feel like they sell more pony kegs just because the name is cute, but I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you can carry them if you're on the petite side, like myself.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, we're learning so much today.

[Angela Kinsey]

So much fast.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fact number three, Angela, you were very, very, very pregnant in this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I was.

[Jenna Fischer]

When you were filming your scenes with Dwight in the Office, Lee Eisenberg had the flu. He was not there that day. Only Gene Stupnitsky was on the set when they got into the editing bay to edit the episode. Lee Eisenberg was there and he said, you guys, why don't we have any wider shots of these scenes? And Dave Rogers and Gene had to remind him because Angela's belly was very hard to hide. So all these. All of these shots are like Angela from, like the shoulders up. But here is what else I found in my Googling, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

By the time this episode aired, you had given birth.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

You gave birth five days before this episode aired.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is true. Well, lady, I have a really fun story from this episode, and it's something that involves the golf course. I had no scenes at the golf course, but I went to visit the fellas. I was doing a whole series at this time on NBC.com called Adventures with Angela and Creed. And Ed had written a song for my baby. I mean, with the banjo, the guitar, the whole thing. So I went to the golf course on Monday on their lunch, and we sat out in this beautiful green, like, grassy area and they sang to me. And not only that, I couldn't remember how we got there. I was like, I don't remember driving to this place or where it was. And you know when you're a passenger, how you don't really pay attention as much.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I found this email that I had written to John Krasinski where I said, hey, John, I'll see you Monday. I can't wait. Creed is picking me up in his sports car. Should I be scared? And we're going to come and have lunch and he and Ed are going to sing a song for my little baby. Aw.

[Jenna Fischer]

So you rode in Creed's sports car?

[Angela Kinsey]

I rode in Creed's little two seater sports car. And they sang this song to me and it was on NBC.com and Jenna, they gave me a copy. And I tore my house up looking for this. This week I have ransacked the whole house. I know I have it somewhere and I really wanted to play it for you guys, but Joya, who worked with us [e-mail] is on the case. She's gonna find it and hopefully maybe in a revisited I'll be able to play it for you guys because it's really special and I'm just heartbroken that I couldn't find it.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is so cool, Angela. I remember seeing the video of that. So I really do hope you find it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me too. Me too. It was so cute. I remember Creed started off with Angela's baby. It was just so Fun.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Ang, that's really all I had for this. I guess I have something that could be considered half a fast fact that I could throw in there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Half a fast fact? What you got?

[Jenna Fischer]

My half a fast fact is that Toby was not in this episode because he was busy writing the season finale.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ooh, that is a good one. Well, I have a little Kinsey tidbit. Ooh, guess who found her script of job Fair. This lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, Angela, this is very exciting to me because I have a couple of fan questions that I didn't know the answer to, but I bet the answers are in the script.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, oh, let me get it. I'll get it. And let's go to break and we'll come back and jump into some job fair.

[Jenna Fischer]

I like it.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

I love Warby Parker. I just got a pair of glasses there if you have a narrow face and I do, so I get the narrow width. And I just got a pair. They're called the Wilkie Black Matte Eclipse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I went on their app and it's really awesome. You put your face and you can just cycle through all the glasses and see what they look like.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, it's great.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

they will ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them our show sent you. All right, we are back. I have my script of Job Fair and Jenna right out of the gate. I have a question for you.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Did you notice that this episode does not have a cold open?

[Jenna Fischer]

I kind of did, Angela. We have a scene before the credits, but it's on plot, it's on story. It's not one of those standalone comedic cold opens that we're used to. I did notice.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. We just kind of get right into the meat of the episode, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

There was a cold open. And I'm going to read you a little bit about what it was. Okay. Okay. So in the cold open, you hear this screaming noise from the men's restroom. And everyone in the bullpen kind of grumbles like, ugh, not again. And Michael comes out. He's just exasperated because he has dropped everything that was in his pockets into the toilet. Like, everything. He lists it off. He dropped his cell phone, his tip calculator, his wallet, his white strips, candy corn, his eraser. And then Jim says, what about your car keys? And Michael says, I threw them into the toilet out of anger. And this leads him to this light bulb moment because I guess this happens quite frequently for Michael. And he goes into his office and he comes out and he's like, guys, I have invented this amazing invention. And he says, it's the mesh toilet guard to go over the toilet. And then the camera pans past him and he has just cut out the back of his desk chair that's mesh into like a circle. And he's like, who's going to volunteer? This is going to be great. It's lightweight, portable, reusable. You can just put it in your dishwasher. So what, he's going to start using the bathroom through this meshy cover? But he's thrilled. He thinks he's going to be a gazillionaire with the mesh toilet guard.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know where to begin.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. So that was the cold open that they didn't end up using. And they just jumped right into the episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's the thing. I can't remember if we shot that, but I remember that joke. Probably from the table read, because we must have read it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I remember the joke that Michael threw his keys in out of anger.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was my favorite part.

[Jenna Fischer]

So this isn't in the deleted scenes then?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not in the deleted scenes, but it is in the script. But they didn't use it. Just a little trivia for you since I have the script.

[Jenna Fischer]

The script is paying off already. I'm excited about it. The way this episode does start is Michael comes out of his office. He's dressed in his jeans.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He's got sneakers on. He's trying to look young and hip hop, I think.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Pam and Oscar and Darryl are all around reception. And we find out that today the four of them will be attending the job fair at Valley View High School in search of new interns because he wants to euthanize the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there is a deleted scene where Michael shares that he's been really depressed since Ryan left. Sam, can you play that?

[Michael Scott]

I am depressed. Ever since Ryan left, I've been going through empty nest syndrome. And I call it that because that's the way I felt when Empty Nest went off the air. I am lonely and I need a new Ryan.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And so he sees this job fair at the local high school as his way to recruit some young buddy. Michael just wants a younger sibling.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. We had a fan question from Thomas V. How did they decide who got to go to the job fair? This was one of those instances where they would look at the cast and they would say, who haven't we seen together yet? Or in a while. And that's kind of how they pulled the names. Because something I noticed is that there is not technically a salesperson represented. So there's someone from accounting. There's someone from the warehouse front reception who Michael refers to as the eye candy. And Michael, who I guess could also cover sales. Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was a really good salesman.

[Jenna Fischer]

He was.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

But yeah, this was more about pairing of people and characters and who would make a great foil for Michael at the job fair.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we know why I couldn't go. Yeah, you would have. Just to shoot four floating heads. It would have just been four heads in a high school auditorium because that was super pregs. Okay. So that's who went to the high school. But now we have this other kind of odd pairing headed to the golf course. It's Jim, Andy and Kevin. And Jim's on probation. He's got to make this big, big sale. And this is his ragtag team that I guess is going to help him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Things start off a little. How would you put it? Oddly, because the first thing that Andy does is insult Mr. McGuire, their potential client, because he's wearing a Dartmouth sweatshirt.

[Angela Kinsey]

He tells him to take it off and that his grandfather would be spinning in his urn if he knew he was, you know, golfing with a Dartmouth alum. There's clearly some real rivalry here between Cornell and Dartmouth.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I looked it up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's this big college football rivalry between the Cornell Big Red and the Dartmouth Big Green. I guess these two schools were major football powers back in the day. There's since been a split in the divisions, the football divisions. But prior to the split, Cornell kind of dominated the national championships. They won in 1915, 19, 21, 22, 23, and 39. Dartmouth won once in 1925.

[Angela Kinsey]

So Cornell was dominating the Ivy League.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. But then in 1940, there was this infamous game. Ange.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cornell had a 16 game winning streak, and this was like a school record. They were about to win the national championship with a score of 7 to 3. But guess what they did?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

They did a film review of the game and found out that Cornell had inadvertently used five downs instead of four, and they had to forfeit the game to Dartmouth.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

According to the ESPN College Football Encyclopedia, they consider this to be the second greatest moment in college football history, and it is commonly referred to as the fifth down game.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hmm.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I guess that's why Andy's grandfather was spinning in his urn.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Mindy went to Dartmouth, so she might have known some of that rivalry. I have to think that might have come up in the writers room.

[Jenna Fischer]

I wonder.

[Angela Kinsey]

And there are deleted scenes that support this. Jim shares that. You know what? He's bringing Andy on purpose because he knew Andy would flip out about Mr. McGuire being a Dartmouth guy, and then they would have sort of this, like, common enemy, that it would be bonding for Mr. McGuire and Jim because Andy's an idiot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that doesn't track because Jim seems so horrified by andy's comment to Mr. McGuire.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly. So then there's this scene where, you know, Mr. McGuire is like, gosh, this guy. And Jim's like, I know Cornell, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I get it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. Jim was being diabolical. He had a whole plan.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right. Best friends through a common enemy.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. Look at us. We're buddies now. We're pals. Give Me your business. Don't pay attention to that Cornell idiot. Thank God you have me here.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, don't pay attention to that idiot who also works at my company. I don't know if this was a great plan, Jim.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, part of his strategy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Andy also can't shake hands with Mr. McGuire because his hands are covered in blisters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Blisties.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's nifty gifties. He's blisties. He loves a little ies on things.

[Jenna Fischer]

I got the lowdown on how they made those blisters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, let's hear it. Who did it?

[Jenna Fischer]

It was our makeup artist, Laverne. She applied the makeup. It took her about 20 or 30 minutes to do it. She started by putting coloring on his hands, so she kind of painted his hands red. Then she covered it with something called RCMA Scar. Scar making material. She said it's really, really tricky to apply because as soon as it dries, it's set, you can't move it, and it dries really, really fast. So she would put it on really quickly with a tiny metal spatula and tweezers. And that afterwards, Ed was not allowed to wash his hands or get them wet.

[Angela Kinsey]

How'd he go to the bathroom?

[Jenna Fischer]

I. I mean, I guess he just didn't wash his hands after. I hope he didn't awkward get them wet in any other way. Do you always wash your hands after you go to the bathroom? Yes. Even at home?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

After you pee at home, you wash your hands with soap and water? Every time?

[Angela Kinsey]

Every time. Every time. I rinse them and I have a little pump. Pump. Or I have a big bar, and

[Jenna Fischer]

I rub my hand over the bar

[Angela Kinsey]

of soap every time. It was drilled into me by my mom. I rinse my hands every time, and I make Isabel.

[Jenna Fischer]

So it's just, like, automatic. I feel like it's really clear now that I don't always wash my hands after I pee at home. I feel like maybe we were going to bond over something that now we're not bonding over.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no. And now I just think you're disgusting.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess now you're going to have to worry when you come over to my house. Did I wash my hands after I. Pete, I always wash my hands after poop. Always. I never wipe a poop and then not wash my hands. Everybody. Well, good. I feel like I want that to be clear.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I'm not going to worry. I'm just not going to touch your hands or anything your hands touch.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know how I feel about this conversation.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we should probably segue out of it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'll say this about blisters, okay? It might fall under the heading of things you already know, but as the emerging amateur medical expert of office ladies, you should never pop a blister.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

The fluid inside your blister has healing properties, and it also protects the affected area so that you won't get an infection. So you really want the fluid to stay in there as long as possible and just let the blister heal itself. Don't pop it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not know that. I feel like I have popped many a blister.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is so interesting.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm not going to pop a blister now. I'm just going to look at it and say, jenna told me to let it do its thing, so I'm going to let it do its thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

I might start washing my hands after I pee at home.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope so.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now, Mr. McGuire wants to make this golf game more interesting, so he suggests that they make a little wager. Why don't they do a little betting?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. This is music to Kevin's ears. Kevin's like, What? What, what? Mr. McGuire suggests $10 a hole, but Kevin, Jenna, he lists all of these games.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. I wrote them down. You want to hear what they are?

[Angela Kinsey]

I do.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. He says you want to play Skins. Ac, Doocy, Bingo, Bango, Bongo, Sandy's, Barky's, Wolf, Arnie's.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't forget Arnie's.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot Arnie's.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

I looked it up. These are all real ways to bet on golf. They're real. I mean, I have an explanation for all of them. I won't go into it, but. Fascinating. I didn't even realize you could do this much golf betting.

[Angela Kinsey]

Clearly, there's so much golf gambling. And you know what? It tracks that Kevin would know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, this is bringing up his whole gambling thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he admits that he's going to take the petty cash from Oscar and use it to turn it into next month's rent. So he is gambling with Dunder Mifflin's petty cash.

[Jenna Fischer]

Should we move on to this job fair lady?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, let's move on to the job fair. Pam has to walk down memory lane of her high school, and you learn a lot about her.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, she has this talking head where she says this gym reminds her of all the times she pretended to have PMS to get out of playing sports.

[Angela Kinsey]

In particular, volleyball. But yet in Company Picnic, she's like a volleyball pro. So what's happening?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, have we ever gotten more mail?

[Angela Kinsey]

I feel seen. Thank you for everyone that wrote in. As soon as Pam said that, I was like, what the heck?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know Chelsea B. Wrote in this theory on why it still tracks that she would have pretended to have PMS while also being a volleyball champion. And I loved it. So here is Chelsea's theory. She says people always point out the continuity error that Pam says she faked cramps so she wouldn't have to play volleyball in gym class. However, maybe Pam faked cramps because she didn't want to have to play volleyball with her classmates who weren't very good at it. As a former athlete myself, I can tell you I wouldn't have had much fun playing my sport with people who sucked at it. So in my opinion, it's not surprising that she'd try to get out of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Chelsea, I think you're being very kind.

[Jenna Fischer]

What I love that Chelsea is like, pam is such a badass volleyball player, but she cannot handle a gym class volleyball game.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, come on. In high school, like, they would have pulled you out and put you in varsity volleyball. You would have been separated from the lame Os.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, this was gym class. This was just like, everybody get exercise in gym class. We're going to play volleyball today. So Pam was probably on the varsity team, but she just didn't want to have to play in gym class. It was a waste of her time and talent.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, Chelsea. Okay, okay. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm living for your piece of mail, Chelsea. I appreciated it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You made her day, Chelsea. Well, there's another deleted scene with Pam as she's going through the high school. She walks past the sports trophy case, and there is a big old photo of Roy Anderson in the big jock, you know, in high school. And she looks at it and says, nine years of my life.

[Jenna Fischer]

I remember shooting that. They had done this little Photoshop of David Denman. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

In a high school photo. And Oscar has a deleted talking head where he says, no, surprisingly enough, I did not always dream of being an accountant at Dunder Mifflin in high school. I was just a normal kid. I made decent grades, played bass in a new wave band, had a poster of Kim Basinger over my bed. Oh, how I wanted to be Kim Basinger.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is a great talking head.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was. I wish it had stayed in.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael is feeling pretty confident about his booth, so much so that the only thing that he brought was a blank piece of paper. So it's the four of them sitting at a table with a blank piece of paper in front of them.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, he says a blank sheet of paper equals endless possibilities. It's conceptual. That's what he says. Meanwhile, the booth next door has like a basketball hoop and then one has like a popcorn machine. No one is going to stop by this booth. And there's a deleted scene. Jenna, that goes on for so long. I loved it so much of just a steady stream of kids walking past you guys not stopping at all. And the only one that stops briefly sits down as popcorn like container and just leaves it there like trash. It spills over and then Oscar is just tidying up this kid's trash.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, we had so much fun shooting these scenes. I so loved getting to be on location with these three guys. We had the best time. They gave all the background actors the direction that they should be like, having a great time and smiling and high energy at all the other booths. So that when you got to ours, it was particularly quiet and sad looking.

[Angela Kinsey]

It really, really works. It was cracking me up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Should we go back over to Dunder Mifflin and see what everyone else is up to?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Well, let me tell you what they're up to. They're up to trying to sneak out of work. I mean, Meredith and Phyllis are stirring the pot. Michael is gone. They don't want to stay the whole day.

[Jenna Fischer]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Creed has a great line where he says he finished his work months ago.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, what is he doing? Dwight reminds them all that when Michael is gone, Jim is in charge. And when Jim is gone, Andy and Dwight are in charge. And when Andy is gone, you answer to Dwight. And Stanley's like, I don't give a crap.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm out. I love so much that moment when Stanley walks out the door.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did too. And Dwight doesn't know what to do. You know, we have said we feel like Stanley is the person. Dwight is like, I am not going to like mess with Stanley. But Dwight asserts to the whole office, look, you guys, the American work day ends at 5:00.

[Jenna Fischer]

And so you must stay until the end of the workday period or I'll tattle on you. Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Back at the high school, Pam is chatting up a young prospective intern. He's actually interested in Dunder Mifflin. And Michael signals her to stop.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, well, not just that. He goes up to this kid whose name is Justin. He says, I don't think this is the job for you. Paper should be more of a hobby for you. And then he takes away the kid's pamphlet that he was looking at. Yeah. We had a fan catch about it, though, from Harmon V. And Alyssa C. If Michael only brought one sheet of paper to the job fair, where did the brochure come from that Pam gave to Justin and Michael took away?

[Angela Kinsey]

Hmm, good question. I mean, clearly they brought a brochure. I felt like the paper was their prop, was the thing that was supposed to be the eye catching moment as people walked by.

[Jenna Fischer]

So maybe under the desk, Pam had some additional materials.

[Angela Kinsey]

When the paper makes you stop in your tracks to talk to these people at their booth, then you get a pamphlet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, I like it. Michael is furious that Justin signed his name on their blank piece of paper. He's even more furious to learn that Pam only brought the one. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam's like, excuse me. I love that she totally calls him out on it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. She said, michael, do you not remember? I said, are you sure that we only need one sheet of paper? And you said, yeah, we only need one sheet of paper to make a difference. And then you sneezed in my tea and said, don't worry, it's just allergies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam with the receipts. That's what the kids say, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I like it. We had a fan question from Kate B. When Justin signs his name on the piece of paper, he writes Justin E. But later in the episode, he tells Michael that his last name is Paul Snick. Explain.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll tell you, I am intrigued.

[Jenna Fischer]

The actor who plays Justin, his name is Trevor Einhorn.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, so maybe he was writing his actual last name.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Isn't that amazing? So Trevor Einhorn has been a professional actor since he was 5 years old. And his breakout role was on the television comedy Frasier. He played Frederick Crane, the son of Frasier and Lilith.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. He also went on to have a recurring role on Mad Men. He was in season six and seven as a copywriter. And he also played Neil Kellerman in the ABC remake of Dirty Dancing. He currently stars as Josh Hoberman in the sci fi show the Magicians. He is a Scorpio.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll have you know that's new for a guest. I don't feel like you've shared their zodiac sign before. Is this a new part of the guest star breakdown?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it showed up in his bio, so I thought I'd throw it in there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Finally, he is not related to our cinematographer, Randall Einhorn.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is correct.

[Jenna Fischer]

Just a coincidence.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everyone back in the bullpen still really wants to sneak out. They've waited for their moment. Dwight finally gets up and exits the bullpen to go to the bathroom. And creed calls angela to tell her they're all leaving. This scene made me laugh so hard, Jenna, because this is a bit that creed and I still do to this day. Creed will text me, pumpkins out. Or if we hang out, and I'm like, all right, creed, I'm going to go. He'll say, pumpkin's out. Like, he still says this to me after all of these years. And this just warmed my heart. I loved it so much. Sam, can you play the clip? Extension128. Hiya, pumpkin.

[Michael Scott]

Is creed say, we're gonna ditch this bitch.

[Angela Kinsey]

You in? No. Are you out? Pumpkin's out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let's go, gang. We got so much mail about this scene. Angela, people who listen to the podcast know that creed calls you pumpkin in real life. And they wanted to know, was creed ad living in the scene and using his real life nickname for you, or was pumpkin in the script and then he started calling you pumpkin after this?

[Angela Kinsey]

This scene is exactly as it is in the script. Exactly. So cree did not improvise that. But I will tell you, ever since we shot job fair, he has called me pumpkin. To this day, he still calls me pumpkin.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is so cute.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. It's so cute. I loved that scene.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now Dwight comes out of the restroom, and he sees that everyone has left. Everyone except angela, which makes total sense because she's the one other rule follower in this group.

[Angela Kinsey]

There is a great scene that's deleted where Dwight comes out and he goes, ha. Last man standing. And then angela briskly walks past him and goes, excuse me. And then there's a talking head that Angela has that really explains why she is just as eager to be one of the last people in the office. Whenever I'm here by myself, I like to pretend that all the others are dead. So this is nice. Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

That made me laugh out loud. I spit out my water. I went to take a sip of water while we were listening to the deleted scene. It seemed like a safe time to take a sip of water. But that. That was so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

She pretends that everyone is dead, and at the end, they had me do a little smile like that. I was very delighted by this.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that is incredible. Well, Dwight's gonna use this opportunity to call michael and tattle. He is very, very mad. Michael is like, yeah, that makes total sense. Don't be weird. Everyone should go home. Why should they be there?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm not there. Jim's not there. Who cares, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Dwight is so Sad, I know, but Dwight isn't gonna go home. He has personal standards. He's going to work his day, and

[Angela Kinsey]

he's going to dock everyone else's pay.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's going to try. Back at the job fair, Pam has gone into her old art room to get a sheet of paper.

[Angela Kinsey]

I titled this scene Brutal. Pam just wants one moment of her glory days, Right? One moment. She's going to show the camera her piece of art. Surely it's still on the wall.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, we got a lot of mail about this. People wanted to know what exactly is Pam looking for on the wall? Was it artwork? Was it an award? They wanted to know if there was more to this scene. And also, just what was my take on this? I'll tell you. The idea was that when Pam was in school, a piece of her art was put on the wall on display. And it was a big moment for her that she was very proud of. And she very, very quickly, as soon as she says, maybe it's still there, realizes that like a decade has gone by since this moment that she was so proud of. Probably the last moment that her art was held up for admiration. Because, remember, her art show didn't go great.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right.

[Jenna Fischer]

And so she just has this crushing, like you said, brutal realization that a lot of time has gone by since she invested in this part of herself, and she's quickly embarrassed and has to just stuff it down and walk away.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, it is exactly the same in the script as what you see in the episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

In the script, it says, Pam comes up to a room that is labeled art room and goes inside and walks confidently to the supply desk. She finds a blank piece of paper and shows it to the camera. Pam says, my old art room. Hey, I wonder if it's still here. She looks around at the walls that have some student artworks on them. Nope. They must have taken it down. Never mind. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to realize that you've put your hopes and dreams on hold.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And she does. In this moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, after all that, Pam brings this piece of paper to Michael and it's wrong. He wanted Dunder Mifflin card stock. He doesn't want this stupid, random piece of paper. He sends her back to the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he said, I don't want this Pendleton crap. Which I looked up online and I couldn't find Pendleton paper. I did find Pendleton business cards, but he says, pam, I want the ultra white card stock.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam drives all the way back to Dunder Mifflin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And she goes and gets the ultra white card stock out of the copier. Dwight looks puzzled. And rightly so, because I don't think that paper lives in the copier. Just gonna say.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, let me tell you something about copiers. Angela, she pulls it from a specialty drawer in the copier, not from the main paper feed of the copier, which could have held copy paper. Perhaps in our special drawer you can select for when you want cardstock.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I saw that she pulled it from the low drawer. Jenna. I saw that. And not the other drawer, But I just think it would be on the shelf, so.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, if it had been on the shelf, it wouldn't have been as good of a shot between Dwight and Angela, so it had to come out of the copier. All right. That's the real reason.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, fine. Fine.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we're about to go back to the golf course and there's a lot to talk about. I think maybe we should take a break and then we'll get into it. After we've refreshed ourselves and emptied our bladders. I will wash my hands if you

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

I am. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

All right, we are back. Mr. McGuire is struggling with his ball.

[Jenna Fischer]

I like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's struggling with his ball in the sand trap. He can't get it out of the sand, Jenna. And he doesn't want anyone to help him. He wants to do it himself. And listen, Andy is just such a hot mess. He's having all of his rage issues. He's got on his pants that have little pheasants on them.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's not going to make him happy when Jim gets a phone call from Pam while Andy's trying to swing.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, it is not.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Jim is really trying to recruit Mr. McGuire. And McGuire is a big no. He's just like, no, no, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

He just wants to play golf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, so does Andy, because he proposes that they race to the next hole. He hops in the golf cart and crashes it.

[Angela Kinsey]

He goes flying. The roof of the golf cart is ripped off. This is a major golf cart crash. I mean, I feel like this was a big stunt for us.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was. We got a lot of mail about it. People wanted to know, did Ed do this stunt? No, no, no, of course not.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, no, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was a stunt driver. We also got questions about everyone's actual golfing ability. Thomas V. Wants to know, did any of these guys actually play golf?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, well, well, well, well.

[Jenna Fischer]

We will tell you.

[Angela Kinsey]

We know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I reached out to Ed, and he said that before this episode, he had never been a golfer and that the show gave everybody lessons so that they could look like they knew what they were doing. And he really, really enjoyed it. And he said since this episode, he has started playing recreationally. But he added, it's just for fun. Nothing like Brian Baumgartner.

[Angela Kinsey]

Brian is an athlete, you guys. We have talked about this before. He's a heck of a golfer.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Ange. He told me that his handicap is seven. That's really, really good, you guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's really good. He plays on these big, fancy golf tournaments, you guys. Like, Michael Jordan has a golf tournament and Brian plays in it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Brian won the Derek Jeter Celebrity Invitational one year.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He goes to so many professional celebrity golf tournaments. He told me he has a room of suitcases because apparently there was a year where they gifted every golfer a suitcase.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's like, I have so many suitcases if you ever need a suitcase.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's crazy. Well, Brian also told me that they didn't play any actual golf while shooting these scenes. They hit a lot of balls, but they didn't have time to play much actual short game golf.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, I bet he was bummed because he would have just schooled them all.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think so. And then I texted John. John told me that he absolutely loves playing golf, but he is horrible. I think he's no better than Jim. But he said that the reason Brian Baumgartner likes to golf with John is because that way Brian can really dominate.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, a little. Little shade there at Brian.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, that is why it made sense to me that Kevin went, because Kevin's not in sales. Kevin's an accountant. But I thought, I wonder if the writers were like, we need one guy that looks like he knows what he's doing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Lee gave an interview after this episode aired because someone had asked that very question, why Kevin. And he said after they picked who would go to the job fair, they had to look at who was left because, remember, Jim is trying to woo a client. So we learned from this deleted scene that he brought Andy as his way of maybe being able to have this common enemy over the Dartmouth Cornell thing. And he brought Kevin maybe because he was the last best athletic choice in the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

It works.

[Jenna Fischer]

I also think Kevin provided them with that extra storyline of the betting because that tracks for Kevin's character.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it's the time he's good at math.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. Well, back at the job fair, literally no one is interested in Dunder Mifflin. So Michael is going to have to revisit this idea of hiring Justin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, and lady, there's a deleted scene that really explains why Michael is like, well, I guess I should reach out to Justin. There's sort of like a young, hip, like, student that walks by, and Michael chats him up. And the guy is just being nice, right? The kid is being nice. And Michael is just relentless and just wants him to be his best friend. Like, literally wants him to be his best friend. And the kid's like, okay, you know what? You're starting to creep me out. I was just trying to be nice. I don't want to work at your stupid paper company. And Michael is devastated. And that is when he sort of has this moment of like, oh, crap. Like, if Justin's the only one that's interested.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Michael brings Justin around and introduces him to everyone. But in the process of introducing Pam, he says, she'll do you. I mean, just kidding, but she has dated two guys in the office that we know of. And this leads to one of my favorite lines of the whole series.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is it what Michael says?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Pam walks away, and Michael says to Justin, listen, I wouldn't say this to her face, but she's a wonderful person and a gifted artist.

[Angela Kinsey]

He wouldn't say it to her face.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like it's Oscar's delivery of Oscar's line that makes me laugh so hard because he goes, why wouldn't you say that to her face?

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that couplet. That joke is so funny to me.

[Angela Kinsey]

So, you guys, not only has Michael been, you know, in deleted scenes, ditched by the hip, cool kid, right? He then sees Justin being chatted up by the Air Force recruiter. And in a deleted scene, Michael walks over and the Air Force recruiter is telling Justin how amazing he is, what a great asset he would be. And Michael is like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to work for us. He, like, gets really sort of aggressive and offers Justin this job. And that part makes it into the episode where Justin declines. But there's a whole other scene where the Air Force is really going after Justin. Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Justin's two choices are the Air Force or Dunder Mifflin paper. Those are real different sides of the pendulum there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Very different. And Michael says to the Air Force recruiter, you're telling me this guy could be a fighter pilot? He's like, yes, he can. And Michael's like, ugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, a woman comes to the microphone and announces that the job fair is coming to an end. Yes. And that woman was played by our female stand in Lori Socks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. If you go to 15 minutes, 58 seconds, you will see Laurie. We loved Laurie and her husband Steven. Their husband and wife stand in duo. They were with us for years. They were like family.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you might remember Steven because he was featured at the dinner table in Benihana Christmas.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And so from time to time, they pop up in episodes. And like Angela said, these guys really are like family to us. Steven and Lori have two kids, and

[Angela Kinsey]

Lori had Sophia before I had Isabel and Jenna. She was my person I went to. I'd be like, lori, I'm feeling this or I'm doing this, or I had a question about breastfeeding. And she was just always there to sort of guide me through being a working mom. It was Lori and Melora. They were the two moms I went to.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Yeah. Both of her kids were born while we shot the office. So her daughter Sophia is 13.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know her and Isabel are very close in age.

[Jenna Fischer]

And their son Liam, who just turned 10 years old.

[Angela Kinsey]

I cannot believe he's 10.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Passage of time. You see it in your children.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, their son Liam has Down syndrome, and Stephen and Lori actually have this amazing podcast, and we want to shout it out. It's called if We Knew Then, and it is a Down syndrome advocacy podcast for parents. Their goal is to reach as many parents and prospective parents as possible. The podcast features interviews and positive information about down syndrome advocacy and inclusion. You guys definitely check it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Check it out again.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's called if We Knew Then.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is so good. I just listened to their episode where they talk about the week that they had Liam in the hospital and everything they were journeying through in that moment. And they are so kind, relatable, thoughtful, caring people. I really enjoyed their conversation. We're just so happy to share about their podcast. We're going to put them in Our stories. We'll put a swipe up to your podcast, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Lori and Steven, we just love you guys so much. It is so fun for me to see them pop up in these episodes. We saw them every day at work, so we're excited that they've been memorialized in the episode for everybody.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And Stephen is still part of that very competitive fantasy football league of the office cast and crew.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Lee told me that actually Steven is responsible for the draft pick numbers every year. And there is a tradition where he makes a video of Sophia and Liam reaching into a bowl and picking out the numbers for the order of the draft. That's how all these guys find out their pick number is from Sophia and Liam every year.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love our office family. I love it. Well, you guys, Michael's getting desperate, and he's going to do that classic thing that Michael does where he has to go up on stage and take the microphone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He wants to know if anyone wants to intern at Dunder Mifflin. He says they do not offer college credit and they cannot give you any sort of pay, but it's a super fun work environment. Anyone? Show of hands, Anyone? Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's amazing. I mean, security comes pretty quickly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, I know. With Lori, like, marching right in front.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. It's not going to go great. They're going to leave with no interns.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're going to leave with no interns and no one ever wanting to work there. Thanks, Michael.

[Jenna Fischer]

Speaking of Dunder Mifflin and working there, we should probably catch you up on how it's going between little Dwight and Angela back at the office. First, they had to make some copies.

[Angela Kinsey]

I took a screen grab of this scene of us making copies. It really perfectly shows how much they had to crop me out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, your shoulders up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Can I say something that I noticed about this scene?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's only two people in the office. Apparently you need to make copies at the same time, so there's a line. There's also a copier in the annex. I think Angela just wanted to stand close to him.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think she did, too. I think her heart is melting a little. You know, it's taken her a bit. He did freeze her cat, so she's had a lot to unpack there. But I think she's softening.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Dwight's gonna sneeze and Angela's gonna say bless you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I think it's the beginning. The beginning of the Angela and Dwight rekindling.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I have more evidence if you needed more. What as they're leaving for the day, Dwight holds the door. He waits and holds the door for Angela. And she says, thank you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, this is in their language, like, this is on again. Almost.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. They're about to go to the warehouse and hook up, Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's about to happen.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, back at the golf course, turns out Kevin did okay. He wants to collect his money from all of his winnings. But Mr. McGuire says, no, no, no, we'll start a tab because I'm going to play more golf with you guys. He'll play more golf with them. But he refuses still to give Jim his business.

[Angela Kinsey]

But Jim isn't going to take no for an answer.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. He's going to throw himself in front of this man's car. Yeah, I found it a little off putting.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jim said. He said he would call him every day until he gave him his business.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it works on Mr. McGuire.

[Angela Kinsey]

I feel like Jim is using Dwight's sales tactics.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's certainly exercising persistence and I guess it pays off. Mr. McGuire says, okay, there you go. It worked. And they're going to come back to the office and they're going to be drinking some beers, toasting their good fortune as Michael and Pam and Oscar and Darryl return from the job fair.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam is like, you did it. You closed the deal. You sold it. And she runs up and they smooch. Then they shake hands because they're like, awkward. And then they completely make out in front of everyone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela. I remember shooting this scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

PDA awkward.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were kissing for so long.

[Angela Kinsey]

It felt like a long time.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's not even hardly on camera now that I see the episode. You're like, wait a second. But part of this big kiss was because we had this shorter season from the writer strike and we didn't get to advance a lot of jammy storylines after all. Right. They had this whole plan that they were gonna move in together. So we're near the end of the season and we had to throw in big jam moment, right? So here it is. You're gonna get to see him have a big smooch. This is, I think, think the biggest smooch of the series, really.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's the longest smooch. I would say the biggest, most epic smooch was Casino Night.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was not as long as this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, that's what I was about to say. I feel like it was a big, pivotal smooch. But this is the longest smooch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And it was very, very funny. Angela, this is my question. Was it in the script for Michael to say kiss or kiss or. Good. Because I could not get through that. We were laughing so hard. And my memory is that Steve did that as an improvisation.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's in the script. Oh, my gosh. It's in the script. It says Michael has gotten very close to Jim and Pam and is watching them kiss from really far too close. And Michael says, yeah, kiss her. Kiss her good.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was very, very funny. And you can see when John and I separate that my face is a little red. It's a little chafed from so much kissing. We had to do this scene so many times. And you can see, I think John had a little stubble.

[Angela Kinsey]

A little stubble. Well, do you want to hear what was in the script?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Angela and Dwight were there for this moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And while the guys are drinking beers, Angela shushes them. And then Angela and Dwight have their moment later in the script when they leave and Dwight holds open the door and all that. But how awkward would it have been, Jenna, for Dwight and Angela to be there, too? I'm glad they changed that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, that was a good move.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You don't need more Angela judgment. Pam doesn't need more.

[Jenna Fischer]

The last scene of this episode is a flashback back to the job fair. This is going to set us up for Pam's storyline in season five. We're going to plant some seeds here. You see Pam go up to a booth for a graphic design firm and she wants to fill out an application.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And you guys might notice that the graphic design guy is played by Nelson Franklin. He's going to come back in season six as the IT guy. I have a little fun tidbit about Nelson.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know what it is. Tell us.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nelson and I were co stars on a new show for Netflix, BlackAF. We played writers in the writers room with Kenya Barris. And Rashida Jones plays Kenya's wife, Joya. And Ken Kwapas directed us. It was like a whole Office reunion.

[Jenna Fischer]

That show is so funny. Your writers room scenes are so funny. Angela, your character is amazing in that show.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I play yet another miserable woman.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're so good at it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, thanks. I loved all the writers room bits, you know, because you and I, we've observed writers rooms over the years, and it was really fun to kind of play out some of that shtick.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Nelson is amazing. He also had a regular recurring role on Veep. He had a regular role on Black Ish. And it's true. He's going to come back in season six. And I don't know how they did that. I'm going to figure it out when we get to season six. I'm going to tell you, it's a

[Angela Kinsey]

little bit of a Bewitched moment, isn't it?

[Jenna Fischer]

It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's like, which Darren is this? I will point out one thing. Nelson joins our very tall male cast member club. He is six foot five. Every scene I have to be in with him. He has to be seated.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, he's really good in this scene with Pam. You know, he kind of explains to her, you just need like basic knowledge of all of these programs that Pam has no knowledge of at all. And then he says, you know, you could probably get training somewhere, do like an adult education class. But the best place to go. And this is where we plant the seeds for next season. The best place to learn about graphic design are programs in New York or Philadelphia. And she's like, got it. New York or Philadelphia.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep. What is Pam going to do?

[Jenna Fischer]

We'll find out.

[Angela Kinsey]

We will. And that was job fair. And lady, I can't believe I'm saying this, but up next is the finale of season four.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know already.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you guys so much for sending in your questions and comments. Thanks so much to our cast members for letting us bug them about golf and pumpkin out and everything else we hit them up for.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, they're amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

They are the best. And Lori and Steven, socks, we love you guys. We'll be putting a swipe up to their podcast if we knew then.

[Jenna Fischer]

See you next week, guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

Have a fantastic week.

[Jenna Fischer]

See you then. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jurkins and our audio engineer and associate producer is Molly Nugent. Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dennis. Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

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