Second Drink: Lecture Circuit, Pt 2

Summary

Office Ladies – "Second Drink: Lecture Circuit, Pt 2" (July 6, 2026) Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Guest: Rob Hubel (AJ)

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Episode Overview

In this “Second Drink” installment, Jenna and Angela revisit "Lecture Circuit Part 2" (The Office: Season 5, Episode 17), deep-diving into behind-the-scenes moments, answering fan questions, and sharing new reflections alongside special guest, Rob Hubel (who played AJ). The discussion covers everything from Angela Martin’s infamous cat scene to details about Nashua branch filming, comedic mishaps, and a memorable Forrest Gump impression. The hosts maintain their signature mix of affection, banter, and earnest nostalgia for The Office set and their off-screen friendship.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Angela’s Legendary Cat Scene (02:05–05:22, 26:33–53:51)

• Fan Mail Flurry opens with Anna C.'s question about improvisation in Angela Martin’s cat scene.
  • Angela explains: “The writers had beats scripted out as a guide, but once we started, the cats didn’t quite cooperate. So, our director Ken Kwapis and I just found it on the day.” (02:54)
  • The main beats were to reprimand Ash and be sweet with Princess Lady, ending with the infamous cat face lick.
• Behind the Scene Details:
  • Jenna reads from the shooting draft. The scene was heavily action-based with little scripted dialogue.
  • “I did get down on all fours and I did push a ball of string with my nose.” (04:22, Angela)
  • The cats’ reactions were unpredictable: “They just were like, ‘what is she doing?’” (04:37, Angela)
• Filming Logistics:
  • Angela’s apartment set was built in the warehouse (16:09). The cat monitor footage was pre-recorded and "burned" onto Angela’s on-screen computer for authenticity.
  • Cat guest stars: Princess Lady was played by a Persian named Potato; Mr. Ash by Roswell. Bob Dunn’s Animal Rentals supplied the cats, and trainer Denise Sanders needed several days to train the “kitty humping scene.” (42:00+)
  • Special budget breakdown: “We had seven milling about cats and two sex cats.” (43:12, Angela)
  • “The overall cost of the advanced training plus the cats for the shoot days and then the trainer fees was just shy of $9,000.” (43:46, Angela)
• Did Angela Really Lick the Cat?
  • Yes, once! Ken Kwapis at first said she wouldn't need to, then nudged her to do a close shot. “So, in one take, I actually licked the cat’s face. I did it, and I felt bad for the cat because the cat’s eyes were like, you know...” (46:27, Angela)
  • Randy told her the trainer gave Potato a special bath and blowout that day.
  • Angela googled “Do people lick their cats?” and Jenna—an animal fosterer—confirms she has for kittens needing comfort: “...I would just lick them between their eyes, on their little forehead... It brings them great comfort.” (48:34–49:10, Jenna)
  • Discussion of “licky brush” and human/cat bonding tools—“There’s a whole industry of fake cat tongues...” (50:09+)
• Angela’s Deleted Talking Head sheds light on why she bought a $7,000 cat with Andy’s engagement ring money. “She went and made an impulse buy to make herself feel better.” (29:11, Angela)

Memorable Quotes

• "Let me tell you something. I am on cloud nine right now... Mindy and Jen Salata's opinion of my acting and comedic skills mean more to me than any award." (11:57, Angela)

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2. Nashua Branch & Shooting Locations (12:37–16:34)

• Breakdown of how Nashua was filmed: exterior at TNR Drywall in Van Nuys, interiors at a real paper company, M&M Paper Company.
• Movie magic: “We shot a background plate...so if AJ or Holly or anyone from the Nashua branch had a talking head, we wouldn’t have to rent this whole building again.” (13:48, Jenna)
• Angela’s apartment/living room was a swing set built in the warehouse set.

Insider Moments

• “A background plate is a shot that they could put behind a future talking head... and they could superimpose a person there with a green screen.” (13:50, Jenna)

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3. Holly’s Iconic Yellow Cardigan (05:23–07:12)

• Fan Question: Why was Holly’s cardigan yellow? Was it intentional?
  • Mindy Kaling scripted it that way from the beginning: “A yellow cardigan hangs on the back of the chair.” (05:29–06:49)
  • “Mindy does love a pop of color.” (06:55, Angela)
  • Jenna muses: “It’s like a romantic comedy cardigan. You can’t have a sad tan cardigan hanging on that chair.” (07:03, Jenna)

Security Goof

• “Her desktop did not have any type of password...I noted the folders around the Dear Michael letter...invoices, payroll, and address book.” (07:50, Read by Jenna)

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4. Guest Star Spotlight: Rob Hubel as AJ (17:40–21:17, Throughout)

• Rob’s Origin Story:
  • “I had done some movies that Allison Jones cast, so that may have helped me...I also might have been offered the part because I knew Steve Carell from the Daily Show...” (18:48, Rob)
  • He was nervous, as he admired Amy Ryan (Holly) from The Wire.
• Was He Expecting a Recurring Role?
  • “I think I knew that it was a recurring part, but I didn’t know what the plot was and...what the story arc was.” (20:20, Rob)
• Being Recognized as AJ:
  • “Do I get recognized as AJ from The Office? Are you kidding me? Yes. A lot. And I’m so thankful for it. ...People would sometimes whisper in my ear, ‘You stay away from Holly.’” (60:24, Rob)
  • Fun coincidence: Rob’s real-life wife is named Holly.
• Funny Set Memories: Trying not to laugh in the conference room scenes with Steve Carell; described being a guest in an established “rock star” ensemble as intimidating (58:38).

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5. The Birthday Plot & Kelly Kapour’s Cake (24:44–34:19, 68:47–72:46)

• Cake Drama: Jim and Dwight plan Kelly’s belated birthday—Jim buys an ice cream cake, but forgets to put a theme or name on it. Phyllis lurks and criticizes.
  • Jenna dives into ice cream cake history (32:05–33:52)
  • “Food historians believe that ice cream cakes were invented at the end of the 1600s...” (32:17, Jenna)
• Children Mystery: Meredith's ever-changing child count leads to a “snowstorm of letters.” The show bible just follows what’s in the episode; it's inconsistent (26:49–28:10).
• Party Theme: "A pillow or a television"—Kelly ends up choosing a nap during her party (69:36–70:35).
  • They discuss how "old tech" this feels (70:48). Nowadays, everyone would stream on a device.

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6. Michael’s Presentation—Movie References and Meltdown (54:06–56:13)

• Michael hosts the Nashua lecture, opening with a string of movie references (“Good Morning, Vietnam,” “Princess Bride,” “Gone With the Wind,” “Jerry Maguire”).
• “Sales is what brings us together today. How do we deal with clients who say ‘frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about paper,’ and get them to show us the money?” (54:36, Steve/Michael)
• AJ becomes the focus of Michael’s breakdown; Michael singles him out, has a panic attack, and crawls out of the room, leaving Pam to continue.

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7. Pam’s Forrest Gump Impression (62:20–64:22)

• Jenna details how hard she tried to perfect the voice: “My acting limitations made me genius. Like, that's one of those things where, like, if I tried to be bad, it wouldn't have been as good as me giving it my best effort.” (62:43, Jenna)
• “Sales is like a box of chocolates. You never know which vendor you're gonna get. Poor scump lady.” (64:08, Jenna)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Angela’s Cat-licking: “Ken said to me, ‘I want you to know you don’t have to lick a cat today.’” (45:39, Angela)
• Jenna’s Forrest Gump Story: “It was. Sales is like a box of chocolates. You never know which vendor you’re gonna get. Poor scump lady.” (64:08, Jenna)
• Rob Hubel on Recognition: “People used to come up to me out of the blue... sometimes whisper in my ear, 'you stay away from Holly.' ...My wife in real life, her name is Holly.” (60:24, Rob)
• Budget for Cat Scene: “Seven milling about cats and two sex cats. ...just shy of $9,000.” (43:12, Angela)
• Nashua Receptionist: "Katherine Flynn—just wanted to give her a shout out for her friendly greeting." (36:03, Angela)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:05 – Jump into fan questions on the Angela/cat scene
• 11:21 – Mindy Kaling and Jen Salata’s praise for Angela
• 12:37 – Nashua branch set breakdown and movie magic
• 17:40 & 20:20 – Rob Hubel on being cast as AJ and recurring role
• 26:33 – The $7,000 cat, Kitty Cam, and Angela's deleted scene
• 42:00 – Cat guest star breakdown & animal budgeting
• 45:09 – Angela licking the cat—how they shot it, why, and the aftermath
• 48:34 – Jenna confesses to licking kittens as a fosterer
• 54:06 – Michael's iconic lecture & movie quotes
• 62:20 – Jenna’s Forrest Gump impression story
• 68:47 – Kelly's birthday scene & inside “fakey eaty” acting techniques

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Concluding Notes

• Warm, BFF Tone: True to Office Ladies form, the episode mixes insider trivia (“movie magic,” cast/crew cameos, animal wrangling costs) with BFF banter and audience immersion, always addressing the fans’ curiosity.
• Community & Continuity: The ladies revisit previous fan confusion (Meredith’s kids), actor trivia (Rob Hubel’s wife named Holly!), and open up about their own real-life pet experiences and comedy downfalls.
• Fan Accessibility: Even listeners who haven’t seen “Lecture Circuit, Pt 2” come away understanding the episode’s plot, famous gags, and backstage brilliance.

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Next week: “Blood Drive”—tune in for bloodmobile trivia and more.

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End of summary

Transcript

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

hello and welcome to our second drink of Lecture Circuit Part two. Thank you to everyone who wrote in for this episode. I thought I'd kick us off with a fan mail flurry. Angela. It was about the scene where Angela Martin goes home to check on her cats and she licks her cat's face. And, you know, Oscar and Kevin watched this all unfold on Angela's cat camera back at the office, you know, on her desktop computer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, we talked quite a bit about this Scene in our original breakdown. But Anna C. From Des Moines, Iowa, wrote in with this question, and I loved it because we did not discuss this. Anna says, hi, office ladies. I've been waiting to ask this question. I love the scene where Angela Martin goes home to her cats. It didn't feel scripted. Was some of that improvised?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, thanks for that question, Anna. You know, my memory was that the writers had beats of the scene scripted out sort of as a guide. But once we started, you know, the cats didn't quite cooperate. So I remember our director, Ken Kwapus, and I sort of, you know, just kind of finding it on the day. But ultimately, I knew I had to get to a place where I reprimand Ash, and then I had to be sweet with Princess Lady. And then it all ends with Angela Martin licking her face.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, so those were the main beats you had to hit.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I went to the shooting draft script, Angela, and there's not a lot of dialogue scripted for you. It was mostly just action beats. Here's what it said. Interior, Angela's apartment, living room. Angela takes Ash and makes a hissing sound at him. Ash kind of claws at her. Angela. Bad Ash. Then in harsh cat language, rawr, rawr, rawr. Angela picks up Princess Lady. Angela begins petting her and purring and talking to her lovingly in cat language. Angela then gets down on all fours and pushes with her nose a ball of string over to Princess lady, purring and making cat sounds the whole time. Then she nuzzles Princess lady like they are two cats. And then later in the script, it says, you lick her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, because that leads to the hairball.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

That I cough up. But I will tell you, I did get down on all fours and I did push a ball of string with my nose.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't think the cat's reaction was the cat. Like, what? Who is this lady?

[Angela Kinsey]

First of all, there were so many cats, right? And they just were just like, what is she doing? But I did all this business on the ground that didn't make it in. I'm sure Dave Rogers has it somewhere. Okay, well, we also had a few folks write in about the scene where Michael goes to find Holly's desk at at Nashua. Kate M. From Providence, Rhode island, said, hi, office ladies. During the scene where Michael cuts off a sleeve of Holly's cardigan. I was wondering who made the choice to put her cardigan on her chair and why they chose yellow as the color. I felt like it wasn't really part of Holly's usual wardrobe, as I Never saw her wear bright colors like that. It really stood out to me. And I was wondering if it was intentional or just a random cardigan. Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that's such a good question.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, I thought so, too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Was that just Wardrobe picked that color? Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was really curious about it because she's right. Holly never wore, like, bright pastels. So, Kate, Mindy Kaling, you know, wrote this episode. And I went to the earliest draft we had of it, the very earliest table draft. And apparently it was always her intention for the sweater to be yellow. I wanna read to you how it was scripted. Interior, Dunder Mifflin, Nashua. Holly's desk. Michael wanders over to a secluded desk. We see a nameplate that says Holly Flax. A yellow cardigan hangs on the back of the chair. Michael touches her cardigan. Sadly, he picks it up and smells it. Looking around, he picks up a pair of scissors from Holly's desk and cuts off the sleeve and stuffs it into his pocket. When he puts back the scissors, the mouse moves and Holly's computer desktop goes off. Hibernation. And he looks on her computer. He sees something. A Microsoft document icon that reads Dear Michael. He pulls out a little flash drive from his keychain and furtively downloads the document. That's that whole scene, but it is very specific that it is a yellow cardigan that's hanging on the back of her chair.

[Jenna Fischer]

Interesting. So it was scripted. It wasn't a choice of set deck or wardrobe or the director or anything. Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mindy wrote that. And you know what? I was thinking about it, lady. And Mindy does love a pop of color.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, and it's bright and it. I feel like it's memorable. You know what it is? It's like a romantic comedy cardigan.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, you can't have, like, a sad tan cardigan hanging on the back of that chair.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I think you need something that catches your eye.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Lauren B. From New Orleans also wrote in about this scene, but Lauren was pointing out something else. Lauren says, hey, ladies, more of an observation, but I've always wondered about Holly's computer in that episode. Did anyone else notice that her desktop did not have any type of password? Michael barely bumps her mouse, and then he has access to her entire hard drive. I noted the folders around the Dear Michael letter. They were titled invoices, payroll, and address book. That seems like important stuff that anyone could snoop around in while she was away. Please discuss. Love the pod.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love a background catch like that. And that is so funny to me.

[Jenna Fischer]

So true. Payroll. Payroll, like access to what people get paid is just sitting there on her non password protected computer address book too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like you could just figure out where people live. I don't know. It's just crazy. Crazy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Very good catch. I liked it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. All right, everyone, here's your second drink of Lecture Circuit Part 2. Thanks so much for writing in.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Each week we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office ladies. Hello, everybody.

[Angela Kinsey]

Good morning. Oh, it's morning for us or good evening?

[Jenna Fischer]

We don't know when you listen.

[Angela Kinsey]

We don't. Although I'm always fascinated. I love it when people share where they listen and when and what they're doing. I just love it.

[Jenna Fischer]

A lot of people listen while they do chores. Yeah, I think that's a good time to listen.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do too. I had one gal say she sneaks and listens at work.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, what does she do?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I should always do the follow up question. Don't know what you do at work. But thanks for listening to us. I hope everything else in your office is safely going about its business.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. I hope you're having a good day at work. Today is lecture circuit part two. It is season five, episode 17, written by Mindy Kaling and directed by Ken Kwapis. Here's a summary. Pam and Michael are still on their speaking tour because remember, Michael was asked by David Wallace to tell all the other branches how to be as successful as scran. Well, they've decided to take a detour. They're going to add Nashua to the Lecture Circuit so that Michael can see Holly and get some closure.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam is all about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam's up for it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

But guess what?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

Holly's not there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know who is there?

[Angela Kinsey]

A.J.

[Jenna Fischer]

holly's new boyfriend.

[Angela Kinsey]

New boyfriend back.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Scranton, Jim and Dwight are still trying to do right by Kelly's missed birthday. And Angela has a very new expensive cat that she bought with the money from selling her engagement ring from Andy. And she has to keep tabs on it with a whole video system.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not even just keep tabs. She's delighted to just watch her cats while she's at work. That's what she's doing while she's at work.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Exactly. Well, fast fact number one, if you listened last week, then you'll remember that we explained how Lecture Circuit was originally meant to be a single episode, but. But when they got to the editing room, it was just so good, they decided to turn it into two.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Jenna, weren't you so surprised when you started watching this one? Even though I knew that information. Cause we talked about that last week on the screen. It said previously on the Office. Yes, and then there was a whole recap.

[Jenna Fischer]

Never seen that before.

[Angela Kinsey]

Never.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not very documentary, is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Not very documentary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, they had to add extra stories in order to make it two episodes. Remember last week they had the story of Andy trying to date Stanley's client. Well, this week, the extra storyline is all about Angela and her cats.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, I texted with Mindy about this.

[Angela Kinsey]

You did?

[Jenna Fischer]

I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

What did she say?

[Jenna Fischer]

She said she thought that on paper that that cat storyline was a little broad and a little silly, but here was a thing that the writers knew about you, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

And this is something that Jen Salata said. Remember back in the duel that you do such a great job of grounding comedy and making it work, and so they could just throw these broader storylines at you and you made them sing. She said, what a gift.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let me tell you something. I am on cloud nine right now. I am absolutely giddy. Mindy and Jen Salata's opinion of my acting and comedic skills mean more to me than any award. You heard me. I will take this Mindy and Jen award to my heart.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna make you a little mini Jen and a little mini Mindy statue and give them to you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is that weird if I have a miniature statue? Okay, Mindy and Jen, if you hear this, it's because I so highly regard your opinion.

[Jenna Fischer]

You just won a Mindy today. Oh, and on the duel, you won a Jen.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'd like to thank the Academy of Badass Women for believing in me fast.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fact number two is a location breakdown. Let's discuss the Nashua branch.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was really hoping you would.

[Jenna Fischer]

Everyone's curious because we did not go to Nashua. We filmed the exterior and interior scenes at different places. The exterior of the Nashua branch was actually TNR drywall in Van Nuys.

[Angela Kinsey]

Huh?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep. Then we relocated to get this where for the interior scenes, where M and M Paper Company. A real paper company.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's amazing, right? Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

We shot all of the scenes for Nashua at the very end of the week. It was on a Friday. And the very last thing we shot was Steve cutting the sleeve off Holly's sweater. Oh, that was the last thing. But here's something else that we shot that day that I found fascinating. Here's a little bit of, like, I don't know. Is this movie magic something?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you tell me, and I'll tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Insidery Hollywood.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, tell me.

[Jenna Fischer]

We shot a background plate.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's very insider y Hollywood Y movie magic Y. Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you. Okay, good. So a background plate is a shot that they could put behind a future talking head that might take place in Nashua. So it's just like an empty background, and they could superimpose a person there with a green screen. So if AJ Or Holly or anyone from the Nashua branch had a talking head in a future episode, we wouldn't have to rent this whole building again. They could just shoot it on a green screen and add our background plate.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is really cool. I've only worked with the background plate one time. It's for a TV show I shot this year. I don't know if I can say yet, but we had to be driving through Los Angeles, and we were in a car, Jenna on a Ritz. And it would move.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

But we were inside a studio, and then all around us was this sort of, like, curved screen of, like, the streets of Los Angeles. And I got dizzy. This is the thing you don't think about in acting school, which is you're gonna do a fakey car scene with fakie street going by, and it might make you a little dizzy if you're prone to that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, could you see the fake street on the screen?

[Angela Kinsey]

No, it was surrounding us. Wow. Like, you know, one of those fancy movie theaters where the screen goes around you. I don't know. They have those, don't they?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I think so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Somewhere.

[Jenna Fischer]

Something like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. It, like, went around us. So we would look out the car window, and there'd be the street driving by.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not the street driving by. You know what I mean?

[Jenna Fischer]

I knew what you meant. I did a fakey driving scene like that in a studio as well, except it was just a green screen and they inserted the images later. But I was on a little thing where they make the car move.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah, it's.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Fans blowing in through the windows or motion.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Movie magic.

[Angela Kinsey]

Movie magic.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love doing that stuff. Cause that's some of the stuff as a kid that was fascinating to me. The fakie movie magic.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's also, like, so fascinating. Sorry, guys. To go off on a total tangent here, but to see that many different departments working to pull off one moment. I always think that's so cool.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. All right, Angela, this next location breakdown is all you. Will you please tell us where was Angela's apartment such that we could see all your cats on camera?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, will I. I have a whole cat camera location breakdown. And then later, Jenna, I have a cat guest star breakdown.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I can't wait for that.

[Angela Kinsey]

You will not want to miss it. All right, so you guys, Angela's living room was built on stage two. That was inside our warehouse set. Remember the warehouse where we go?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, of course.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

We would build a lot of those swing set. Swing sets, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Little term for you. They shot the scenes individually, and then later they took the one scene with all the cats and they burned that into the computer screen. They also burned into the computer screen at my desk, the one of me with the cats. Does that make sense?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, a little bit. So you filmed it far prior to when you did the scenes at your desk. Because then what does burning it onto your computer screen mean?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think that's the term Randy used. I think it just means uploading it. Right. In post production, they were able to, like, take the clips and put them on my computer so that Kevin and Oscar really watched those.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, so they didn't have to imagine what they were seeing?

[Angela Kinsey]

No, they really got to watch that. Wonderful. How delicious was that? Also when we all gathered around to watch the cats on the screen, you know, when it's Meredith and the whole gang, we're really watching the cats. Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's amazing. So you were really just over in our warehouse set?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. I worked all day in the warehouse. Many times. When you went to Angela's apartment, even years later when you went to Oscar's apartment. That was all in the warehouse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

The interior shots, I should say.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Fast fact number three, we have a big guest star alert.

[Angela Kinsey]

We do.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's AJ Holly's boyfriend, played by Rob Hubello. Yeah. Now, Rob is a very successful improviser, actor, writer, Emmy nominated producer.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's like a quadruple threat.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's four.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

A double. Double threat.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he's a double double threat.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's been in over 140 films and television shows.

[Angela Kinsey]

Good Lord.

[Jenna Fischer]

He was very recently in Transparent with Melora Hardin. Little Office reunion there. And Angela. You know Rob.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do know Rob. I mean, I met him a long time ago through our mutual friend Rachel Harris, who later plays Angela Martin's sister. It's that little, like, LA comedy club circle, you know, between The Groundlings and improv and stuff. Rob is very funny. He's also just delightful to talk to because he's just one of these people to me, kind of like Will Ferrell, who's just walks into the room. Funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's friendly and he's friendly. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I knew this episode was coming up, and I was like, we gotta reach out to Rob. We need to hear his story about how he came to be on the Office. And he's gonna answer questions for us throughout this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here is how he got his job on the Office.

[Rob Hubel]

Hey, guys, it's Rob Hubel. It's early in the morning, so my voice is a little crackly. Well, these ladies will tell you that sometimes in Hollywood you get offered parts, but it's kind of few and far between. And I think the great Allison Jones cast this show, and I had done some movies that Allison had cast, so that may have helped me maybe get offered the part. I also might have have been offered the part because I knew Steve Carell from the Daily Show. I worked at the Daily show before I got into comedy. I worked as a producer on a lot of shows, and I worked at the Daily show when Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert were there. In fact, I shared an office with Nancy Walls, who is married to Steve Carell. The great Nancy Walls. And so that all may have helped me get just offered the part. Otherwise, if that wasn't the case, I probably had a great audition, because I'm great at auditioning. But I was very lucky and nervous because the show was so big and everybody had become these rock stars by that time. So I didn't want to screw it up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ah, he did not screw it up.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, he did not.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Angela, we got a fan question from Joe S. Did Rob Hubel know he would have a recurring role on the show as Holly's boyfriend, or did he think that it was just one

[Angela Kinsey]

episode and he sent in an audio clip about that, too?

[Rob Hubel]

I think I knew that it was a recurring part, but I didn't know what the plot was and, you know, what the story arc was. But I did know that it was gonna be the new boyfriend, and I knew that Steve Carell would be giving me a hard time, you know, in those scenes. And I knew that it was with Amy Ryan, who I was such a fan of, because I just finished watching the Wire, and she was on the Wire, I think Season two, which is another great show. Someone should do a podcast about the Wire. But Amy Ryan is just such a great actor. Also so, again, didn't want to screw that one up.

[Jenna Fischer]

So, like Angela said, Rob answered more questions. We'll sprinkle them in later. Sprinkle, sprinkle. But you should also know that he has a weekly Twitch show with Paul Scheer, which is Twitch TV Friendzone, and it's live every Thursday at 5 Pacific.

[Angela Kinsey]

One more plug for Rob, because I think he's so hilarious. And he does the show with my friend Aaron Hayes that I did a show called Hot Wives of Orlando with. Their show is called Medical Police Guys. It's really funny. It's on Netflix. It's a spin off of Children's Hospital. Funny, funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

Folks, I think we should take a break and then go to Nashua and a birthday party and lick some cats.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, did you think you'd ever say that in a sentence?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. Today is unique.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know what I didn't think I would do.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Google how to lick your cat.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't wait for this.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Hmm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Kevin's eating two ice cream treats.

[Angela Kinsey]

He has a popsicle. You know, the double stick popsicle.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then, like, the ice cream cone with, like, the chocolate with the peanut topping thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. What's that called again?

[Angela Kinsey]

Some kind of drumstick.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's it. Oh, it is a drumstick.

[Jenna Fischer]

Drumstick. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Anyway, he's got both of those going.

[Jenna Fischer]

But you know what? It's because he didn't eat his lunch. Well, I mean, all his lunch. It doesn't matter. Angela enters smiling. It's strange.

[Angela Kinsey]

Beaming, so happy, giddy. She's so happy that she looks at Kevin and, you know, normal Angela would just look at him eating that double stick popsicle in the drumstick and just go off on him.

[Jenna Fischer]

But she says nothing.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, actually she says, oh, hello, everyone. Oh, ice cream. Nice Kevin. Looks good. Nice Kevin. What is happening?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'll tell you what's happening. She is going to announce a new addition to her family. It's a cat. A rare, special cat. A $7,000 cat.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's hypoallergenic. She doesn't struggle when you try to dress her. She's a third generation show cat. Her father was in Meet the Parents.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait, so the cat that pees on the toilet in Meet the Parents is somehow related to Angela's new cat?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's Princess Lady's dad.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. Well, the gang wants to see this cat, like a seven thousand dollar cat. I gotta see it. And Angela's like, I can do better than a picture.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, she can.

[Angela Kinsey]

She has a kitty cam set up at home.

[Jenna Fischer]

So she takes the whole gang over to her computer and they are watching these cats frolic in her living room. How many are there? I didn't count. I mean, there's lots.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's lots. There's probably 12.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, there were at least seven or eight. At least in the picture. Who knows if someone was sitting in the window? We don't know. Angela, we got a lot of mail about this scene because your character mentions that she's annoyed that she can't take any time off. She doesn't have any sick days left.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they don't recognize cat maternity.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And it's not fair that she can't take off a year like those people who have human babies. And Meredith agrees, right? Meredith says, yeah, I had my second kid just for the vacation time. Flurry of mail. I mean, it was a snowstorm of letters. Oh, lots of people are like, how many children does Meredith have in Alliance? Dwight says she has two kids in the injury. Michael says she has one kid, no husband. In Take youe Daughter to Work Day, she brings one child in. But then here she says she has a second kid. What does the show Bible say? I'll tell you guys, the show Bible just says whatever the show says. So the show Bible is as all over the place as these episodes. I think we don't really know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think maybe we didn't do a good job keeping track of the children. I mean, what happens to the senator's son?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, we'll get there. Children disappear and reappear all the time on our show. I think what happens is they write the episode and they don't check the show Bible first. And then the person who keeps the show Bible is like, dang it, I've got to write something in the show Bible now that contradicts what was already in the show Bible. But, you know, their job is just to record what happens.

[Angela Kinsey]

I've gotten questions quite a bit about Princess Lady. People want to know, why would she sell Andy's engagement ring. Everyone sort of really judged Angela for this on the comment boards. Back when the episode aired, there was a deleted talking head where she sort of explained it and I think we should hear it. As you may know, I am no longer in a relationships. It's been really stressful here. So I decided to treat myself to one of God's most perfect creations. A beautiful new cat. It's tacky to talk about money, but she cost $7,000. Okay, you guys judge Angela, if you will, but she's had a tough time because she's no longer in a relationships. Both of her relationships have ended, and she has to work with both of them and see them every day. She's sort of been shunned, kicked off the party planning committee, and she went and made an impulse buy to make herself feel better.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's what I'll say. She should have given the ring back.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know that because she was unfaithful.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, the ring is a symbol of your promise of your contract to be married. And I think that if the person who has the ring breaks that contract, they should return it. But I believe that etiquette says that if the person who gave the ring breaks the contract, you get to keep the ring.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Angela Martin's gonna use hers to buy a cat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm. She broke with the etiquette. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, that's what your character would do. Do you think Pam gave Roy the ring back?

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. Right now. Listen, you might throw some shade at Angela Martin. Her affair was very out there. But I think Pam had an emotional affair.

[Jenna Fischer]

You think? Of course she did.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I'm just saying that's why I

[Jenna Fischer]

think Pam gave the ring back.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, princess lady is here, folks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, speaking of people who are excited today, Jim is thrilled to have purchased Kelly an ice cream cake. He's putting it in the freezer.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's so proud of himself he did it.

[Jenna Fischer]

But then he hears Dwight yelling, screaming at Kelly right in her face.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight, does this remember when he got right in Phyllis's face?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Did they laugh a lot during this scene? I don't know how Mindy kept it together, I'm sure. All right, well, the reason Dwight is interrogating Kelly is because last week he looked in her files, trying to figure out when her exact birthday was, and he finds out that she was in juvie when she was 14, and now he wants to know why.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have one thing I have to bring up. I don't know why this bugged me so much, but it totally bugged me. I did that thing where I paused the TV and I talked to the tv. What? By myself?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

I paused it, and I said, wouldn't the correct spelling of her name been on her juvenile detention record?

[Jenna Fischer]

I thought the same thing, guys. Later in the episode, Jim is going to misspell her name on the cake. And I thought, my goodness, yeah, he

[Angela Kinsey]

has a whole talking head. Still don't know how to spell her name. Maybe look on the form in Dwight's hand. I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guys, listen, Jim and Dwight are not good communicators. They're not sharing information. Clearly they're not. Well, Jim is going to try to cheer Kelly up by showing her this birthday cake. He's so proud of who's lurking in

[Angela Kinsey]

the corner watching the whole thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Phyllis.

[Jenna Fischer]

The cake is blank. There's nothing on it.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's no theme.

[Jenna Fischer]

She hates it. I don't know why, but I became inspired to learn the history of the ice cream cake.

[Angela Kinsey]

Are you kidding?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. Is this a good place for it?

[Angela Kinsey]

Is there ever been a better place for it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, here you go. Food historians. That's a job. Food historian.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, fascinating. They just study food.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess I kind of want to be one.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want to meet one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, food historians believe that ice cream cakes were invented at the end of the 1600s.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who invented it?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's unclear. The recipes date back to the 1870s, and ice cream cakes were originally made from biscuits and cream. In the Victorian era, the desserts were called bombs, and they consisted of ice cream and fruit in a fancy mold. So it went through many permutations. In its early days, it was considered quite a luxury item, and it was only enjoyed by the wealthy because they were the only people who could keep it cold. Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

You'd have to get a block of ice.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Now, the ice cream cake's cousin would be a baked Alaska that is frozen cream surrounded by meringue. But then it's served hot and there's no cake in it. A true ice cream cake has three layers. It has ice cream cake or biscuits and then icing or whipped cream. The leader in America for making the ice cream cake.

[Angela Kinsey]

Can I guess? Wait, wait, can I guess? Baskin Robbins, Carvel, Fudgy the Whale.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fudgy the whale lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, why didn't I see that coming? Listen, I was just at Baskin Robbins with the kids. Cause they wanted, like, after school snack.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's so many flavors.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah. I love a Baskin Robbins ice cream

[Angela Kinsey]

cake, but it started with Carvel soft serve.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's it. It was a small history of ice cream cake, but there you have it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know what came out of that?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

My need to meet a food historian.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, really put it on my list.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have to say, while we were talking about the history of the ice cream cake, I don't know if you noticed this, but we got really, like, kind of like, oh, wow. Like, it was very, like, precious information.

[Jenna Fischer]

It felt like it was.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is tickling me. I am tickled.

[Jenna Fischer]

When we're really into something, we get real quiet.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know the importance of it. Speaking of importance, Pam and Michael have arrived at the Nashua branch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, the first thing we're going to do is take a picture.

[Angela Kinsey]

Got to take a picture.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're documenting this. Michael's very nervous. As they enter, they're greeted by a

[Angela Kinsey]

really nice receptionist who tells them that Holly is not there.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. She's on an HR retreat for three days.

[Angela Kinsey]

But if you really need to get in touch with her, you can just talk to her boyfriend over there. AJ Salesman Jenna. I again paused the TV and had to talk to it because I thought, Holly, you just got transferred by corporate because you were dating a co worker.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And now you go to this new branch of your company and immediately start dating another co worker.

[Jenna Fischer]

Holly put that together. I didn't even think of that.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's the whole reason they moved her to Nashua.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, you're right. And she works in hr. I mean, if anyone should be on top of this, it's her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Holly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Angie mentioned that the receptionist was really nice to Michael and Pam. And we got mail about that. Berenice C. Said the receptionist at Nashua branch is really friendly and happily expecting Michael's arrival. She said maybe they really don't get very many visitors. Like Pam said. I think they don't.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think they're the forgotten about branch.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what Pam said earlier. Well, the receptionist was played by actress Katherine Flynn. Just wanted to give her a shout out for her friendly greeting.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael has to get outside for some air. He is not doing well.

[Jenna Fischer]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

He is about to fall apart.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. In this scene, I wanted to make two observations.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. One is it was really hard for me to sit on that curb in a pencil skirt and heels. And I think I did a good job.

[Angela Kinsey]

It really is hard to sit on a curb, like in any kind of skirt like that. Because your legs don't really have anywhere to go. Yep. You can't bunch under.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. And I had to, like, tuck my hands under to keep the skirt up from flapping down.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Second, I have a windshield wiper hair going back and forth on my forehead during this entire exchange. A little hair that just goes. Yep. The whole scene. And on a normal television show, they would have cut and they would have had someone come in and just shellack your head. Just spray it down. We don't want any flyaways.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they would have been like holding for hair.

[Jenna Fischer]

They would have actually said flying in for a flyaway. But we didn't do that on our show. We just let stuff happen. I thought maybe this is one time since it was such an emotional scene, maybe. Maybe we should have shellacked it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Were you distracted by your windshield wiper hair?

[Jenna Fischer]

A little. You didn't notice it?

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not notice it, but now it will be all I can see when I rewatch it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, enjoy that, everyone. Well, lady, I think we should take a break because we're gonna get into the thick of Angela's cats and Michael's presentation soon and I need to center myself before both those things happen.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think you do, because I might have stories about how I created this.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was very good.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Hey, before we jump back into the show, let's take a quick break.

[Jenna Fischer]

But not just any break. This is a refreshing break with Snapple.

[Angela Kinsey]

We all know about Snapple's iconic real facts, so let's take a minute to go over some of our faves.

[Jenna Fischer]

Snapple Real Fact 705. Every ton of recycled paper saves about 17 trees.

[Angela Kinsey]

Snapple Real Fact 253. The first TV remote control introduced in 1950 was called Lazy Bones.

[Jenna Fischer]

Snapple Real Fact 2033Americans consume 150 million hot dogs on July 4th.

[Angela Kinsey]

Snapple Real Fact 855. Oregon has more ghost towns than any other US state.

[Jenna Fischer]

So grab a Snapple, take a second and enjoy the moment because let's be honest, this might be the most refreshing part of your day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Snapple, make your break more interesting. All right, now let's get back to the show. We are back in Scranton and Kevin hears what is happening on Angela's computer screen.

[Jenna Fischer]

A lot's happening.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mr. Ash is humping Princess Lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Angela's like, these are decent cats. Don't, you know, make an assumption about them? And Mr. Ash is fixed. And Meredith, like mine don't fix and that ain't fixed. Meredith. Meredith in her, like, Super Gulp from 711 with her sidebar comments.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela is so upset she has to leave.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. She has to go check on her cats.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Make sure Princess lady is okay. And now, Jenna for the cat guest star breakdown.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let's hear it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here we go. Once again, we reached out to Bob Dunn's Animal Rentals in Sylmar, California. They are going to help us create this whole cat humping scene. But first, let me tell you who played Princess Lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Who?

[Angela Kinsey]

Princess lady was a Persian cat named Potato. Oh. You might have seen her if you watched the deleted scenes in the duel. She was in them but not Featured.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, Mr. Ash, the other cat in this relationship was played by Roswell.

[Jenna Fischer]

Roswell.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

The orange cat that looks like Sunny.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

I remember him from your cat head shots for the duel.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, I guess it's good that we deleted that scene because we could bring Potato back now for this lead role, Right? Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Potato went from a background player to the lead of the scene.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Princess Lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, that's what happens in Hollywood.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. You go out for one role, you're like, oh, I didn't get it. And then you get Princess Lady. Well, Randy said he loved how Bob Dunn's company listed the cats in the proposed budget. We had seven milling about cats and two sex cats.

[Jenna Fischer]

So seven background performers and then two leads.

[Angela Kinsey]

Roswell and Potato. Our head animal trainer was Denise Sanders. She had been with us on stress relief. She said she required several days of training to get Roswell to pull off a believable kitty humping scene.

[Jenna Fischer]

How did she do that?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. The overall cost of the advanced training plus the cats for the shoot days and then the trainer fees was just shy of $9,000.

[Rob Hubel]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

To get Mr. Ash to hump Princess lady nine grand.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was a lot. I mean, I feel like I want to call that woman. What was her name? The trainer's name?

[Angela Kinsey]

Denise.

[Jenna Fischer]

Denise. And I want to be like, how did you do it? Was it a series of treats? Like, every time Roswell stepped on potato, you got a treat.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then how do you get Potato to stay put?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

These are questions for Denise. Do we need Denise on?

[Angela Kinsey]

I want Denise on. And then I want an episode where we talk to a food historian.

[Jenna Fischer]

Odd Jobs with Jenna and Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Another spinoff podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

We have so many.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have so many podcasts to do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have so many factories to tour and podcasts to do. Well, listen, lady, I think we should stick with the cats here because I'm liking it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm liking the cat info.

[Angela Kinsey]

You want to see the whole story?

[Jenna Fischer]

I do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because back in Scranton, Kevin and Oscar are working in accounting, and they're going to hear Angela's voice. She's gotten home, and she is scolding Mr. Ash for his behavior. They have to watch.

[Angela Kinsey]

She didn't turn her computer off. She forgot to turn the kiddie cam off.

[Jenna Fischer]

She did. They are watching her. She's hissing. She is communicating with the cats with meows. And then she grooms Princess lady with her own tongue.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are so many things to unpack in this moment for you. First of all, I just love that she's like, excuse me, Petals. I'm looking for Mr. Ash.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, there you go. We know another cat's name is Petals.

[Angela Kinsey]

Petals.

[Jenna Fischer]

But I don't think that's the question on everyone's minds, Ange. And I know that because we got a Lot of mail about it. My favorite one was from Katie D. Who said, I don't even know where to start. So, Angela, the cat cam scene, please explain.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Katie, let me tell you. Ken said to me, I want you to know you don't have to lick a cat today. Oh, yeah. He said, camera's gonna be far away. I said, ken, are you sure? He goes, yeah, yeah. No, you're not gonna have to look at Kat today.

[Rob Hubel]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was like, oh, okay. He goes, you can fake it. We'll be able to sell it. I said, okay. So we do a few takes, and he comes up to me kind of meekishly, and I said, ken. And he goes, we're just kind of moving a little bit closer with the camera. I said, I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. So in one take, I actually licked the cat's face. I did it, and I felt bad for the cat because the cat's eyes were like, you know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you get hair in your mouth?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, of course I did. It was a very hairy cat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Randy, did it taste weird?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't remember it tasting anyway, just being fuzzy. Randy told me that just in case, I might lick the cat. Listen, these guys knew. They were going to ask me all along. They knew it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You think so?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah, I think so. I think they were gonna try to get one shot, don't you think?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Randy said, so in case you were gonna have to maybe lick the cat. Denise Sanders, the trainer, gave Potato a special bath and blow dry before she came to set that day. Oh, Potato got a blowout. Fresh shower.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that's nice.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. So, yes, I did lick the cat, but only once. The rest of them were fakey licks, I guess, as the camera pans in. I don't know which one's the real one.

[Jenna Fischer]

So you don't know if they use the real lick or the fake lick?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh. Now, why would the camera be able to pan in if it was a. Like a nanny cam? You'd think it would just be one locked off shot.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. You know, these are things I should have brought up in the moment. I should have had you with me. We did a lot of rehearsals. They were pitching different things to me that Angela would do to try to bond with her cats. Crawl on the ground, roll over, pretend to groom myself. And then they were like, does Angela talk to her cats? How does she talk to her cats? And then they pitched the sort of hiss thing. And then I had to practice different hisses.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guys, they were very Good. I thought your cat sounds were great.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you. I mean, I feel like Ken and I really bonded this day because I was like, ken, tell me, what do you like? Do you like this one? Or do you like. Or do you like. Yeah. And then he would be like, oh, I like the second. And I'm like, okay, I like it

[Jenna Fischer]

that you scolded your cats in their own language.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

I thought it showed your bond with them.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna. This brought me down a rabbit hole of Googling. Do people really lick their cats? Apparently, if you foster kittens. Some people share online that they have licked a kitten's face if it's separated from its mom. What do you know about this? You foster kittens.

[Jenna Fischer]

I've done it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You've licked a cat's face.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have.

[Angela Kinsey]

I knew it. I was like, I bet Jenna has licked a cat's face.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So I worked in cat fostering for three years. Yeah. And I fostered many kittens who had been separated from their moms at a very, very young age. And, you know, I'm trying to socialize them, and I would just lick them between their eyes, on their little forehead, give them a few little licks.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's what I read.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not with adult cats, but with little kittens. With kittens that are very young and separated from their mom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And it brings them great comfort and they purr.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's what I read. I knew you would know.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I will say I have also licked an adult cat.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

My cat Andie, he had been sick, and he was an adult, and I licked between his eyes to give him some comfort. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, people let their dogs lick their faces, and I don't know, when you have a pet, they become like a member of the family. I think it's kind of like, listen, I'm not going to go over to anyone's house and start licking their animals. And I don't love when someone else's dog licks my face, but I don't care when my own dog does it. Right. Just like how your own kids poop and vomit doesn't bother you, but I don't want some other kid to poop on me. Well, no, I don't know what that is. I don't know why. It's like, when it's your family, you don't care.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I want you to know, when I looked this up online, there's a big debate about when and where and how to bond by licking your cat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And also, guys, apparently There's a whole industry of fake cat tongues that humans can purchase to lick their cats.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. So, yes. There's also a little thing that you can put on your finger that's, like, sort of meant to simulate an adult cat's tongue. And if you foster kittens, you can get that, and then you can, like, rub that between their eyes. That's a thing you can get, too. Cassie's in the booth. Cassie, you just fostered a bunch of kittens. Did you lick any of them? I didn't. I didn't know this was a thing, but maybe next round I'll try it. Or you can just get the little finger brush thing that came out while I was, like, mid fostering, and I did move to the finger brush eventually.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I'll get that. There was one that haunted me.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a thing that you can. Well, I won't be able to unsee it. It's a fake tongue that you can put in your mouth like a pacifier.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why?

[Angela Kinsey]

And then you can lick your mouth.

[Jenna Fischer]

It can just be on your finger. That's what she said.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm showing.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm showing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, God. Introducing licky brush. Sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each other. As a form of social bonding.

[Jenna Fischer]

As a human, you're left out of this intimate ritual. With licky Brush. It's also. It's also they have, like, a.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like a. Like a.

[Jenna Fischer]

A big, muscly man with a licky, sticky brush in his mouth.

[Angela Kinsey]

A pacifier.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a pacifier that has a tongue on it, and he's. He's cradling his cow like a baby and then, like, licking it. And it's just that they picked someone I would not expect. I mean, I want you to know

[Angela Kinsey]

I saw that, and I have been waiting to show you. I was like, I'm not even gonna tell her. I want her to. To see it. I want to watch her react to it, because I was like, what.

[Rob Hubel]

What.

[Angela Kinsey]

What is happening? What did I just click on? Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I guess it can take the idea of bonding with your cat to a whole new level.

[Jenna Fischer]

They make them for your fingers, is what I want to say. To finish out this cat storyline, Angela returns to the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And she sees her computer is on, and she's like, oh, my gosh. Has that been on the whole time? And Kevin and Oscar are like, what? I don't. We were just. We don't have no idea what you're talking about. Oscar has a talking head where he says he needs to erase that image from his head. But then Angela coughs up a hairball. Well, let's hear about that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I cough up a tiny hair, guys, right? It's like a little hair.

[Jenna Fischer]

But you know what? You've had your cat, like, cough up a hairball, right? It's so violent. It's like.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so incredibly like the first time you get a cat and they do it, you're like, oh, my God. I don't know what's happening. It's so intense.

[Angela Kinsey]

So once again, Ken and I and Mindy were talking about, how big do you go here, right? How big do I really? Because you have two choices. Either Angela Martin has to do that, like, thing, or it's, like, way more subtle. And so I practiced a few different ways, and this is the one they liked, where basically I'm just pulling one hair off my tongue, and it's like, what is it? Was it the cat? Is it something else?

[Jenna Fischer]

It was the cat.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was the cat. It was the cat. It was. But I had to do it enough to sell it to Oscar and not so much that it was, like, a total cartoon. That was my workday, guys. That was my day.

[Jenna Fischer]

That day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hey, you're gonna crawl around on the ground, pretend to be a cat, hiss at cats, lick a cat, and then cough up a hairball. Mom, what'd you do at work today?

[Jenna Fischer]

Welcome to Hollywood. Should we go to Nashua?

[Angela Kinsey]

We do, because Pam has talked Michael into giving his presentation. Because then maybe they'll all talk about how great Michael was, and Holly will hear about it. Right? That's the way you show A.J. right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what? At the beginning, it's going great. It is. He's doing a fantastic job. Just listen to all of his movie references. Good morning, Vietnam

[Jenna Fischer]

sales. Sales is what brings us together today. How do we deal with clients who say, frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about paper, and get them to show us the money? Well, we are going to find out today. I had written this down. It's so interesting that you played that clip, because I wondered, do our younger viewers get all of the references in Michael's opening remarks? Do they know these movies?

[Angela Kinsey]

Good morning, Vietnam Princess Bride, Gone with the Wind, and Jerry Maguire.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess this is Michael's taste in movies. But do people know all those today?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, you've got to know Princess Bride, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

But he's got them. They're laughing. They love his, like, voices.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's doing Nashua likes Michael from the receptionist to his opening remarks. And they're eating out of the palm of his hand. If only he could get over this Holly thing, he would finally have a day where he was the king of comedy like he's always wanted.

[Angela Kinsey]

Those 30 seconds you just heard are the best that it is because that's how quickly it falls apart.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because Michael zeroes in on AJ he can't help it. Salesman, salespeople. He's going to pick a random salesperson. You there, sir.

[Rob Hubel]

You.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. What's it like to be you? Oh, here we go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And then Michael has a full on panic attack. He winds up on the ground and he crawls out of the room, leaving Pam. Yeah, well, before we get to what Pam is gonna do, I wanted to shout out a few crew cameos.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

So sitting next to AJ the woman who asked the question about discounts from distributors, that was Mary Wall.

[Rob Hubel]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And she was a member of our production staff. And she is delightful and wonderful. She has gone on to become a producer and a director. She currently is working on a documentary called the Fan Connection. You can actually check it out@fanconnection movie.com you can see a trailer. It's all about the hockey fans in Buffalo.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I would love.

[Jenna Fischer]

And their commitment to their hockey team. And, you know, I love hockey. So anyway, check out the trailer, guys.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love sports documentaries. Love them.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then sitting in the row in front of AJ with the red hair was Claire Scanlon, our editor. And Pam's gonna call her Freckles.

[Angela Kinsey]

Claire is a full on badass, amazing editor and now prolific director.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And then I have another guest star I Wanna mention. Michael McCartney. He played the other Nashua employee who says, what does this have to do with sales when Michael is disintegrating? He has a very extensive resume. He is the producer and director of the series the Millionaires on Amazon Prime. But here's what I want to tell you. This is the first time I've seen this in all of my googling of all of our guest stars.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now I don't know what to expect.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael McCartney has been on law and order.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Law and SVU.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Law and Criminal Intent. The trifecta.

[Angela Kinsey]

Holy cow.

[Jenna Fischer]

All three.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not on Monk.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not on Monk. There's still room.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's still room.

[Jenna Fischer]

Future guest star, if you could be on all three Law and Orders and Monk, I'm gonna drive to your house and give you a cake.

[Angela Kinsey]

So when I was trading emails with Rob, I was like, rob, you've gotta share what it was like in that room when Steve, as Michael, is falling apart.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And singling you out. I mean, I don't know, how did you do that? How did you get through it? And here's what he had to say.

[Rob Hubel]

My memories of shooting that scene in the conference room with Steve are mostly about just trying not to laugh, because sometimes I just start laughing when people are funny. Because really, I feel like a lot of times on comedy shows, you're trying to make the other person laugh in a way. You're kind of trying to with them a little bit. So anyway, I was just trying to keep a straight face because Steve is so funny and Jenna is so funny, and everybody on the show is so funny. And I also get very nervous. I get nervous going into a new show. And, you know, there's this whole other culture there already established when you're a guest actor on a show, it's different because you don't know what you're walking into. So I was a little bit nervous. And Steve is just, you know, iconic. Steve is just so funny. And when he's kind of coming at me like that, he's, you know, putting me down and ignoring me and calling me names in a very funny way. But it's all so funny. So mostly trying not to laugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I loved his description of what it's like to be a guest actor on a show walking into the world, and it's a comedy, and it's supposed to be funny, but then you're not supposed to laugh. I just. I related to all of that so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did, too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we also asked him, does he still get recognized as A.J.

[Angela Kinsey]

he's been on, what did you say,

[Jenna Fischer]

140, 140 movies and TV shows.

[Angela Kinsey]

Does he get recognized as A.J.

[Jenna Fischer]

let's find out.

[Rob Hubel]

Do I get recognized as A.J. from the office? Are you kidding me? Yes. Yes, A lot. And I'm so thankful for it. It is very fun to be recognized. No matter what people tell you, it is fun because it's, you know, it's. People love it. They love the show, and that's fun. You know, like, everyone had an opinion about Michael and Holly's relationship, and I was just standing in the way so I would get threatened by strangers. You know, it was crazy. In fact, people used to come up to me out of the blue. I remember people would sometimes whisper in my ear, like, come up behind me and say, you stay away from Holly. You stay away from Holly. And what's crazy is that my wife in real life her name is Hollywood. So I would have to decide in about two seconds. Okay, Is this someone that used to date my wife in real life that I should murder, or is this just a fan of the Office acting like a creeper?

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that his wife's name is Holly.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's insane.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is crazy, though, that people go up to him and they're like, leave Holly alone. And he's like, get away from Holly. Wait, wait, that's my wife. Oh, you're a. Oh, okay. Oh, I know what you are.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing. Well, thank you, Rob, for sending in your audio clips. It was so nice of you. I love listening to your voice. I think he has a soothing, pleasant voice.

[Angela Kinsey]

Rob, she's not kidding. While we were recording this episode and you sent in your audio clips, Jenna was like, I just love the sound of his voice.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. I hope you get tons of voiceover work. Cause I would buy anything you're selling.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hey, yeah. How about them apples? So, Jenna, Michael has left. Pam is in charge. She goes right into Forrest Gump Lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

This was one of my favorite shooting days ever, having to take over the presentation.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was so fun to watch you. It was hilarious. I loved watching Pam try to do Michael's movie bits.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, you know I'm not great with accents.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know this.

[Jenna Fischer]

Or impressions. I cannot tell you how hard I worked on that Forrest Gump voice.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh, Lady. So hard, Lady. I thought you were doing a bit to be bad, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And that is what Mindy and Ken Kwapus thought on set. They were crying, laughing, when I did it. Mindy said it was genius that I was doing it so bad. Yeah. And I was texting with her because I was like, mindy, do you remember this episode? And she said, yes. I thought you were so funny that day. You're Forrest Gump. It was such a funny choice, you know, to be that bad. And I was like, mindy, that was my literal best effort. My acting limitations made me genius. Like, that's one of those things where, like, if I tried to be bad, it wouldn't have been as good as me giving it my best effort. I can't do it better than that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I need to hear it. I need to hear it. I gotta hear it. I gotta hear it. I'm getting my laptop. I gotta hear it. I got. Now with that information in my brain, I've gotta hear it. Because I thought, like, Mindy, that you were doing a bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

At, like, I'm gonna read it my first Gump kind of Crappy. But no, it was your best effort, honey.

[Jenna Fischer]

I listened to his voice in my head over and over and over and over again, and I tried to mimic it perfectly.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have never loved you more, knowing now that that Forrest Gump was your earnest best effort.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was. Sales is like a box of chocolates. You never know which vendor you're gonna get. Poor scump lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's the cutest thing ever. That is the cutest thing. Oh, my gosh. Look at Devin and Cassie. They're cracking up, you guys. Is that adorable?

[Jenna Fischer]

Come on.

[Angela Kinsey]

So cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

We love it. Thank you, guys. Thank you. I love doing that scene. I loved the chainsaw.

[Angela Kinsey]

I loved the chainsaw.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was one of my most. You know, this was one of the few times when I was called upon to do, like, what would you call it? Like, lead the group to be the comedy protagonist.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was usually the receiver of comedy. My job on this show was to amplify a comedic moment with my deadpan reaction. But in this case, I got to pitch the comedy ball and it felt really good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Other people reacted off of you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And it was fun.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, one of my favorite things to watch play out in any movie or TV show is when a character decides to step up to the plate and then bails. So at the end, when Pam got out the chainsaw and was like, like cutting down the competition. Yeah, the bail is my favorite.

[Jenna Fischer]

She's like, I'm out. Well, during all this, Michael has gone over to Holly's desk. He's stroking her yellow cardigan.

[Angela Kinsey]

He cuts half of the sleeve off. Yeah, that made me laugh so hard, Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then he, like, pushes the chair in and this screensaver pops up of

[Angela Kinsey]

Martin Short, which is so perfect as Ed Grimley.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You know what Randy Cordray told me?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

That little moment, like, that was a whole thing. He said. We had this graphic artist on staff, his name was Michael Marcus, and he had to build that on screen computer graphic where there were these documents on the home page. That picture of Martin Short. They had to get permission to license that photo from Getty Images. I mean, that little moment, that was someone's day creating that. I just. I love watching the show and thinking of those details.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, to finish out the Nashua branch storyline, Pam and Michael, they pack up. I love when Pam was like, don't look up, don't look up, don't look up. When they're packing up the car and they go to a diner and Michael confesses that a he cut off part of her sweater and that he Saw a Dear Michael folder on her desktop and he copied it. He's got it.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Pam says, you can't read that. But I can read it, right? Pam can read it.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I won't tell you what the specifics are, but I can tell you if she still likes you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had a lot of fan mail about that. Emma S, Eric M. And Zachary C. All wanted to know, was there a letter or was I just pretending to read something? There was a letter.

[Angela Kinsey]

I wondered that too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Phil Shea wrote a letter, and I was very grateful because as I read, helped me get in a headspace because there were all these things I read. But then I knew I was gonna tell Michael the scripted lines of, like, it's not over. And it was great. It was so helpful as an actor to have not just a blank screen there. So thank you, Phil Shea, for writing me a letter.

[Angela Kinsey]

I wonder if Phil had to consult the writing staff and say, guys, I'm going to write this letter. Do you have any or. He just did that on his own.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think that was stuff he just did on his own. He was a very detail oriented prop master. Yes. And he would often do that. If we had a fakey piece of paper, a memo, it was very detailed.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. I have a question for you, because when I watch this, I am always, like, relating it back to, like, things happening. Would you have read it? If you saw, like, something on your ex's computer, would you have read it? Yeah, me too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Of course.

[Angela Kinsey]

100%.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I would have just sat down right then and there and read it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. I feel better now.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Well, listen, Michael is thrilled to find out that it's not over with Holly. And we're not sure yet what he's gonna do with that information, but he's happy to know it.

[Angela Kinsey]

He feels like he has closure.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, he does. We haven't talked about the rest of this birthday storyline.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, listen, they're not doing very well. Jim and Dwight are still trying to brainstorm the perfect party for Kelly.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're in the conference room. Jim says, okay, so far our ideal party consists of beer fights to the death, cupcakes, blood pudding, blood touch football, mating, charades, and yes, horse hunting.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Dwight's like, you're right. Forget horse hunting. It's stupid. Just only lose that one. All the rest are viable.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, all the rest sound great, but

[Angela Kinsey]

ultimately they actually find a theme. Mm. Everyone gathers in the conference room. Kelly comes in. There's a cake. Her name is spelled wrong. Mm. And there's a Chicklet. You know what a Chiclet is?

[Jenna Fischer]

I do. It's a piece of gum. And it's a square.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a little square piece of gum.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love a Chiclet.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love a Chicklet. I like it.

[Jenna Fischer]

It has, like, a candy coating. Before I chew the gum.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like the crunch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Me too.

[Angela Kinsey]

Kelly wants to know what's up with the chicklet. Jim says that's the best part. The Chiclet represents a pillow. It's a pillow or a television. That's our theme. A pillow or a television. And is their theme? She gets to decide one hour of TV or an hour of napping.

[Jenna Fischer]

What would you pick?

[Angela Kinsey]

I would. I don't know if I could sleep at work.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't nap in general. I have to be sick in order to take a nap. Even if I've gotten three hours of sleep the night before, I can't nap same. I get, like, wired tired. So, I mean, I'm in the middle of the white lotus. I'm in the middle of hacks. I only just finished Mare of Easttown. Do you hear how behind I am?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So hour of tv? Yes, please.

[Angela Kinsey]

That sounds decadent to me. Also. Yeah. I can't sleep during the day. Something has to be wrong with me if I fall asleep during the day. Yeah. It's just like my body just won't do it. I do think this is a little bit of an old tech alert.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's the old tech?

[Angela Kinsey]

They say that the Chiclet represents a pillow or a television. And I think at work now, we would just watch an hour on our phone or our computer.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's true. And also, doesn't Stanley say there's nothing good on right now?

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Creed says Bonnie Hunt's on, but

[Jenna Fischer]

it's that they're gonna watch, like, live television. That's right. Appointment, not streaming anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

No streaming. So I would say their theme was a little bit of an old tech alert.

[Jenna Fischer]

I agree. Well, Kelly chooses nap. And she takes a little nap under the conference table. And while she does, Jim and Dwight sit on that little couch by reception and they eat their cake. And they're very proud of themselves. And I want to point out this scene to everyone because John is doing a classic fakey eaty acting technique with this cake.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's shoving the food around the plate.

[Jenna Fischer]

He would take a big scoop of cake, but then he smushes it back down. And so by the time he puts it in his mouth, it just has a little frosting on it. Watch it. He goes for the cake three times and never actually eats a piece. At the beginning, he eats like half a piece. You have to do this because otherwise you're going to get sick. However, sitting next to him is Rainn Wilson, who eats the cake.

[Angela Kinsey]

Rain.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because Rain always ate in scenes. It didn't matter. Remember, he ate so many bananas he got sick.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. When Rain, as Dwight does anything, he goes all out. Yep. And I feel like Rain eats in scenes the way Brad Pitt eats in movies. Watch An Ocean's Twelve. The guy is always eating. I wanted to know, like, is this a choice? You're constantly eating something.

[Jenna Fischer]

Watch Goodfellas. Do you see how much steak and pasta those guys eat? They dig in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Goodfellas makes me hungry. Yeah, when I watch it, I get hungry for sure.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guys, guess what?

[Angela Kinsey]

That was Lecture Circuit Part two. With a little bit of movie extra stuff. Extra stuff we had.

[Jenna Fischer]

I felt like a lot of interesting movie magic facts, a lot of cat

[Angela Kinsey]

grooming facts and a Forrest Gump impression.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not a bad day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not too bad. Shabby. And next week is Blood Drive.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, I've got some good facts about the bloodmobile.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was actually on the set. It was in the parking lot. A real one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yep.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll tell you all about it next week.

[Angela Kinsey]

See you next week.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to Office Lady's second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with earworld.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey. Our senior producer is Matt Beagle.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our second drinks episodes are produced by Molly Nugent.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Reese.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dennis. Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratt.

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