Second Drink: Phyllis’ Wedding with Ken Whittingham

Summary

Office Ladies – "Second Drink: Phyllis’ Wedding" with Ken Whittingham

Podcast Date: August 25, 2025
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Special Guests: Ken Whittingham (Director), Phyllis Smith (Phyllis Lapin Vance)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Office Ladies takes a deep-dive into Season 3, Episode 15 of The Office – “Phyllis’ Wedding.” Jenna and Angela reminisce about the making of one of the show’s classic episodes, sharing behind-the-scenes stories and exclusive audio from Phyllis Smith herself and director Ken Whittingham. The discussion spans from memorable on-screen moments to behind-the-scenes laughter, deleted content, and the joys and mishaps of on-location filming. The hosts and guests unpack everything from Michael’s cringeworthy wedding behavior to Angela’s iconic pillbox hat, making this a must-listen for devoted fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Deleted Dwight Talking Head (02:13)

• Angela recalls a deleted scene where Dwight catches a “suspect” at the wedding:
  • Quote: “Some people say it's the one you least suspect. Others say it's the one you most suspect. I neither suspected nor didn't suspect this guy. That's how I knew he was my suspect.” – Rainn Wilson as Dwight (02:35)
• The line’s repetition is hard to memorize; Rainn nailed it.

2. Origins of Couple Name Mashups (03:09)

• A fan letter inspires debate over the first celebrity couple name mashup.
  • Jenna references “Bennifer,” but a listener suggests “Desilu” (Desi Arnaz & Lucille Ball).
  • Quote: “Do you think that really happened?” (04:13) – Jenna
• Angela jokes about undocumented, ancient couple names, e.g., “Wreck It” for Rachel and Beckett.

3. Pam and Roy’s Song—Hidden Irony (04:32, 05:12)

• Their wedding song (“You Were Meant for Me” by Jewel) is revealed as a breakup song.
  • Angela: “According to the Internet… it describes a failed relationship and the narrator’s inadequate attempts at moving on…” (05:12)
• The group does an impromptu sing-along (05:20–06:25) featuring Phyllis Smith.

4. Did You Know?: “No Fart” Version of Michael/Phyllis Scene (07:26)

• Angela reads from the script:
  • Greg Daniels wanted the Michael/Phyllis “fart scene” filmed so it could be cut entirely; a “no fart” alternative was scripted, where Michael fusses over Phyllis’ hairstyle instead (08:13).
• The final episode kept the fart joke, which delighted the cast.

5. Episode Summary – “Phyllis’ Wedding” (10:27)

• Quick rundown:
  • Phyllis and Bob marry. Michael’s antics escalate after he’s upstaged walking Phyllis’ father. Pam’s sadness over Jim/Karen and her wedding ideas being stolen. Pam leaves with Roy.

6. Location, Church Trivia, and Reception Details (11:53–15:23)

• Filming location: First Christian Church of North Hollywood, a Disciples of Christ church, not the same as Jim & Pam’s wedding site (12:25).
• The reception and prep rooms were all shot at this one church.
• Fun fact: It’s the same church where a crew member was actually married (14:22).

7. Phyllis Smith’s Reflections (16:13, 55:21, 66:08, 84:21, 101:21)

• Audio clips throughout, offering insights on:
  • Wearing a plus-size wedding gown: few comfortable options existed, but wardrobe was helpful (16:13).
  • The infamous “pungent” fart scene: “Every time Steve said the word pungent, he would break… I couldn’t breathe. I was laughing so hard.” (55:21)
  • Walking down the aisle as someone who’d never married: “Since I’ve never been married, to me, that was a real thrill.” (66:08)
  • On the “Pam stole my wedding” storyline: “I wasn’t being nasty, I was being...kind of honoring Pam’s wishes…” (84:21)
  • Final thoughts: Ken Whittingham was fantastic; everyone had shining moments (101:21).

8. Interview Highlights: Ken Whittingham (19:03–38:44)

• Shares how he came to direct the American Office.
  • Compared “Absolutely Fabulous” US adaptation: “I think everybody looked too pretty. And it just didn’t feel real.” (21:16)
• Challenges of filming on-location; importance of making LA look like Scranton; prep took only four days (21:53).
• On shooting extras and deleted scenes: Tried to stay ahead with a shot list to capture small vignettes, like Uncle Al walking into the street, which was improvised (24:56, 26:17).
• “Pungent” scene laughter: Steve Carell broke, which rarely happened.
  • Quote: “It took us about an hour to get there because we could not stop laughing.” (30:19)
• Director’s favorites: “It’s a toss up between Phyllis’ Wedding...and Health Care.” (33:16)

9. Cold Open – Pavlov Prank (41:44–45:31)

• Jim conditions Dwight to expect an Altoid after a computer chime.
  • Scene required multiple outfit changes for continuity, not just Jim & Dwight, but all visible background characters.
• Angela offers a shallow-dive on Pavlov and trans-marginal inhibition response in psychology (44:01).

10. Angela’s Wardrobe Deep Dive – The Pillbox Hat (50:11–53:44)

• Angela’s wedding suit: a vintage, Jackie Kennedy-inspired outfit—turns out Jackie’s hat (often remembered as blue) was beige.
• The “dented” look of Jackie’s pillbox hat was an accident caused by wind on inauguration day (52:49).
  • Quote: “I think God sent that wind that day because a domed hat would have just looked so silly...” – Jenna (53:44).

11. Michael’s Downfall at the Ceremony & Reception (54:14, 64:17, 69:56)

• Michael gets upstaged by Phyllis’ father, drags the wheelchair awkwardly down the aisle (scripted).
  • Quote: “Michael can’t figure out how to undo the lock...so he drags it down while still doing a traditional wedding walk.” (65:54)
• Phyllis: “I could not keep a straight face… just the sound of the wheelchair dragging…” (66:08)
• At the reception, Michael’s rambling, hurtful toast gets him thrown out by Bob.
  • Phyllis: “Anytime Michael opened his mouth, it was hard to keep a straight face. And at that point...he was kind of hurtful but didn’t even know it.” (87:09)

12. Gags, Easter Eggs, and Deleted Scenes (83:03, 103:07)

• Stanley regifted a toaster originally meant for Pam.
• Phyllis’s wedding stole all of Pam’s ideas, including the dress and mints.
• Deleted scene: Phyllis offers to announce that Pam was the originator of all her wedding ideas (83:37).
  • Quote (Phyllis): “Would you like me to make an announcement so you can get credit?” (84:03)
• Angela’s “secret” running subplot with Dennis, the perfect cat-loving vet.
• Meredith’s wedding favor – a fridge-shaped magnet with Bob & Phyllis inside.

13. Scrantonicity and Fan Moments (81:07–82:41)

• Kevin’s band plays; Brian Baumgartner (Kevin) really sang and played drums.
• Rashida Jones (Karen) was nervous to sing but did great—fans took notice.

14. Classic Vignettes and Relationship Beats (90:47–94:13)

• Montage of couples on the dance floor:
  • Pam & Roy have a bittersweet slow dance to “You Were Meant for Me”.
  • Angela & Dwight sneak away to slow dance outdoors (real passersby shout their names during filming!).
  • Ryan knocks the bouquet from Kelly—scripted.
  • Jim sees Pam leaving with Roy; “I’m glad I’m here with Karen...”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Angela on Rainn’s deleted line: “But Rain, of course, nailed it.” (03:07)
• Michael’s toast fail: “And now for the next 40 minutes...” (86:41)
• Phyllis on wardrobe: “...back in those days...plus size women didn’t have a lot of choices…so I just wanted to make sure that my arms were covered.” (16:13)
• Ken Whittingham: “...you have these spaces...and you get these ideas...that’s one of the great things about being on location.” (28:22)
• Jenna on the “pungent” scene laughter: “Steve was so good, he could not stop laughing...It took us about an hour to get there.” (30:31)
• Phyllis: “When you hear the word pungent, know that all hell broke loose every time we said it.” (55:21)
• Angela: “Kelly is a frenemy...clearly, Pam is noticing all of this, she doesn’t want it rubbed in her face.” (77:54)
• Jenna: “Pam leaves with Roy...and Jim sees it – it just hits you like a ton of bricks.” (92:42)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Deleted Dwight talking head: 02:13–02:48
• Couple name mashup origins: 03:09–04:45
• Pam & Roy’s song lyrics & discussion: 05:12–06:52
• No-fart version of Michael scene: 07:26–09:19
• Episode summary: 10:27–11:16
• Location and church details: 11:53–15:23
• Phyllis’ audio about the dress: 16:13–17:53
• Ken Whittingham interview: 19:03–38:44
• Cold open & Pavlov prank: 41:44–45:31
• Wardrobe/jackie kennedy hat: 50:11–53:44
• Michael dragging wheelchair: 64:17–66:08
• Phyllis’ reflection on wedding aisle: 66:08–66:50
• Passive-aggressive deleted scene (Pam & Phyllis): 83:03–84:04
• Phyllis’ perspective on borrowing ideas: 84:21–85:12
• Michael’s hurtful toast & aftermath: 86:40–90:21
• Karen singing, Rashida’s nerves: 92:56–93:32
• Phyllis’s final reflections: 101:21–103:07
• Meredith’s fridge wedding favor: 104:15

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Additional Fun Facts and Easter Eggs

• Location trivia: The real church is used in several Hollywood productions; room where Phyllis is prepped is also used in Splitting Up Together (15:23).
• Angela’s lace gloves drove her nuts all week, and would be terrible with modern smartphones (76:06).
• Angela’s hat knowledge: Jackie Kennedy’s pillbox hat was actually beige, not blue; its classic “dent” was a windy accident (53:44).
• Michael’s pain & family as motivation: Michael’s only other wedding was his own mother’s, which went poorly, shaping his desperate behavior in this episode (58:24).
• Scrantonicity playing is a payoff to previous story beats in the show (81:07).
• Deleted scenes with more Dennis and a clever refrigerator magnet wedding favor (103:07–104:42).

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Tone & Style Notes

• Jenna and Angela’s affectionate, self-deprecating banter and deep knowledge of The Office is on display throughout.
• The guests, particularly Phyllis and Ken, match the warmth and humor, providing both laughs and poignant moments.
• The summary emphasizes character-driven storytelling and little-known on-set tidbits that enrich the episode for fans and viewers.
• Many moments are called out where scripted lines felt so authentic they were mistaken for improvisation—credit given to the sharp writing team.

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Key Quotes by Timestamp

• “Some people say it's the one you least suspect. Others say it's the one you most suspect. I neither suspected nor didn't suspect this guy. That's how I knew he was my suspect.”
  – Rainn Wilson as Dwight (02:35)

• “Every time Steve said the word pungent, he would break out into this high-pitched cackle. And then I would start laughing. I couldn’t breathe.”
  – Phyllis Smith (55:21)

• “I just wanted to make sure that my arms were covered. I have a thing about my arms showing on camera and in public.”
  – Phyllis Smith (16:13)

• “It took us about an hour to get there because we could not stop laughing.”
  – Ken Whittingham (30:31)

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For the Ultimate Fans

• Deleted scenes and alternate takes are a goldmine—especially the “no fart” scene, the Dennis subplot, and Meredith’s fridge magnet favor.
• Set nerds will love the breakdown of on-location logistics and the care in making LA look like Scranton.
• Listeners get the inside scoop on how much fun and camaraderie there was behind the scenes, from dancing in trailers to wardrobe mishaps and last-minute improvisations.

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Closing

Through laughter, trivia, and heartfelt reflection, this episode offers the ultimate companion for “Phyllis’ Wedding.” With scene-by-scene breakdowns, cast and director perspectives, and hilarious misadventures, listeners gain a new appreciation for one of The Office’s most beloved episodes. An essential listen for Office fans old and new.

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“That whole wedding was...a remarkable episode. Everybody had their shining moments in it...we all got to grow up together on the show, basically. Not just this episode – the whole nine seasons. And it was really a blessing then and continues to be to this day.”
– Phyllis Smith (101:21)

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[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I love it. We have director Ken Whittingham who joined us and shared his memories from directing it. He gave us some of his personal photos from filming. We put that in our Instagram when this first aired.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh yeah, Ken is the best. Well, listen, for this second drink, I thought we could start with the Dwight deleted talking head. That really made me laugh. So you remember how Dwight is making sure no one crashes the wedding and then he sees an old man putting bread in his pockets and he thinks he's the wedding crasher? Well, in this talking head, he shares how he identifies a suspect.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I caught the Wedding crasher. Some people say it's the one you least suspect. Others say it's the one you most suspect. I neither suspected nor didn't suspect this guy. That's how I knew he was my suspect.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, isn't that great?

[Jenna Fischer]

That's amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also have to think, as an actor, that that was probably really hard to memorize because you're taking the same phrase and twisting it only slightly with each sentence and then just flipping a few words around, and those are the ones that are always trickier for me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

But Rain, of course, nailed it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we got a fun fan letter I wanted to share, because in this breakdown, we talk about how couples names get mashed together, like Phyllis and Bob becoming flob. And then you and I talked about, like, who were the first celebrity couples to famously have their names mashed together? And Angela, you said the first one was Bennifer. The Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. But Savannah C. Wrote in to say, what about Desilu? Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball had the first celebrity mashup name.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh, Savannah. Of course they did.

[Jenna Fischer]

Desi Liu.

[Angela Kinsey]

Of course.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now do we think they really are the first one? Is there anyone before Desilu?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, probably. Are you Googling?

[Jenna Fischer]

I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

What about in ye olden times where things weren't documented and you just had, like, a bar wench named Rachel, and then you had a squire named Beckett? What about those people? And they were called Wreck It? Nothing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you think that that really happened?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm just saying there probably were other name mashups that we don't have documented.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm getting nowhere in my Google search.

[Angela Kinsey]

Desilu was probably the first real big one. I mean, I think that was even the name of their production company, right? Desilu Productions.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, was it?

[Angela Kinsey]

It flashed up on the TV after I Love Lucy. Okay, well, I was curious about this question from Chaya R. Who said, why was Pam and Roy's song a breakup song?

[Jenna Fischer]

It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

I didn't know, so I went back and I watched the episode. So you remember how Roy pays the band $20 to play youy Were Meant for Me by Jewel?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam is so moved because it's their song and they have this sweet dance. Well, I looked up the song lyrics, and I didn't remember it as a breakup song, but it clearly is. And according to the Internet, this is what it says about the song. It describes a failed relationship and the narrator's inadequate attempts at moving on with her life.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that's appropriate.

[Angela Kinsey]

Isn't that interesting?

[Jenna Fischer]

It really, really is.

[Angela Kinsey]

What do you guys know about that song? Sam, do you know this song? Cassie?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, I know this song. It's Jewel, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it's Jewel.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, I know this song.

[Angela Kinsey]

I remember it. Let's hear it. I hear the clock, it's 6am I.

[Phyllis Smith]

Feel so far from where I've I.

[Angela Kinsey]

Got my eggs I got my pancakes too.

[Phyllis Smith]

I got my maple syrup Everything but you. I break the yolks and make a smiley face.

[Angela Kinsey]

I kinda like it in my brand new place.

[Phyllis Smith]

Wipe the spots above the mirror don't leave my keys in the door. I never put wet towels on the floor anymore.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cups, trees last so long Even after you're good.

[Phyllis Smith]

I know that you love me and soon you will see you're meant for me and I was meant for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

She has moved out. She's making breakfast by herself. She doesn't put wet towels on the floor anymore. I don't know what that's about.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, probably he gave her shit about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Probably she does things the way she wants to do it now.

[Jenna Fischer]

But she's forlorn.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is Pam and Roy's song also.

[Jenna Fischer]

First of all, Jewel is amazing. Yeah, like stop it. I need to get more of her music on my playlist because. Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, she was on the playlist. I mean, back in the day we all loved some Jewel and we all wanted to dress like her. Don't you remember? Oh yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. Chaya, I thought that was a great catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, before we go, I just wanna share a sweet note that we got from Jennifer T. Who wrote in to say I thought you should know that my husband's grandparents names are Bob and Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is so sweet. That's so sweet. Love that. Well, I have a did you know question for you and it involves the famous Phyllis Michaels scene before the wedding.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, the one where Michael says she tooted?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. What is it? Well, when I was looking up these second drink tidbits, I went to the script to see if there was anything I missed and I wanted to read you this description that is in the script. Okay. About this Michael Phyllis fart joke.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right. It was scene 19 and this was noted in the script. Greg's. This scene should be shot in such a way that in editing the fart aspect of the scene can be cut out entirely.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like maybe we weren't going to have the fart part.

[Angela Kinsey]

It goes on to say a no fart version is listed beneath the fart version. What? Yes. Do you want to hear the no fart version?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Interior, church dressing room. Michael. There she is. Phyllis is applying lipstick. Michael says, so help me, Phyllis, you're as beautiful as the day you started work at Dunder Mifflin. Phyllis. Thank you, Michael. That's sweet. Same as when you said it outside. He pulls up a chair and takes her hand. Tenderly. Michael says, how are you doing? Are you excited? Phyllis says, yes, very. Michael says, me too. If you need to throw up, that's okay. I did. Do you want to talk about tonight? Phyllis says, no. Michael says, I'm sure you're worried that you won't be able to please him. And then he takes a beat. He looks at her and says, are you set on this hairstyle? And then Michael brushes her bangs askew with his fingers. It looks far worse. Michael says, there, much better. And then Bob comes to the door. Wow. There you go. The no fart alt. It's literally called Michael Phyllis no fart Al.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my goodness.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I guess they couldn't decide which version they were going to use and they used the fart version.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I loved all of that. That was a very good second drink. So now here is our breakdown of Phyllis wedding. I'm Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

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Oh, Jenna, I am so excited because we are talking about Phyllis wedding.

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It's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is season three, episode 15, written by Carolyn Williams and directed by Ken Whittingham. Summary.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Phyllis and Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration are getting married. Today is the day Phyllis has asked Michael to push her father's wheelchair down the aisle. But after getting upstaged, when Phyllis's dad Decides to walk down the aisle. Michael tries to steal the show and is eventually bounced from the reception by Dwight. In the meantime, Pam is sad and upset by Jim and Karen's relationship and the fact that Phyllis stole all of her ideas. And she leaves the reception with Roy.

[Angela Kinsey]

I forgot that Pam left with Roy. I forgot.

[Jenna Fischer]

Me too. And I'm Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so good, though. It's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

But doesn't that happen? Like, if you've been with someone a really long time and then you break up, you get back together a couple times before you really break up. Right. That's real.

[Angela Kinsey]

Especially you're at a wedding and there's all these couples and the person you want to be with doesn't seem like they want to be with you. All of a sudden, the thing that you know is sitting right next to you, so you're like, well, okay, I feel like having some loving.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I guess so. All right, well, listen, fast fact number one. A lot of people wrote in Sovereign Hurley, Ellie Trevelyan, Winter Pulver, Leah Barbaro, Tia Minoski, and many more want to know where was the wedding filmed? But then Colby Linderman, Dana Hill, Christina, Carolyn and Jennifer all wanted to know, is it the same church where Jim and Pam had their wedding? Because they look very similar. It is not the same church.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's not the same church.

[Jenna Fischer]

But listen, before I tell you where Phyllis's wedding was filmed, we got even more mail about it. Okay. Charis wrote in to say at some point, Phyllis and Pam both say they are Presbyterians. Was the wedding filmed at an actual Presbyterian church? I'm guessing the answer is yes, because the crew pays a lot of attention to detail and Presbyterian churches love maroon carpet. Chris Furr said, I am a pastor in the Christian church Disciples of Christ, a small Protestant denomination, less than a million people, mostly in the US And Canada. In this episode, the Disciples logo is clearly visible around the 20 minute, 32 second mark as Phyllis and Bob are cutting their wedding cake. I was curious about the choice to leave that specific banner in the background. From a prop point of view, it's lighted and it's pretty distinctive. So he goes on to say, the funny thing about it is that theologically, this would be a perfect compromise choice for a Lutheran and a Unitarian who like to keep things, quote unquote, spicy. Any background on this would be cool as it is a big hit with our little Disciples family. Yes, we filmed Phyllis's wedding at the First Christian Church of North Hollywood, which is located in Studio City. And they are a Disciples of Christ church. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So when I first moved to la, I was looking for somewhere to go for Easter services. And I was driving around and I drove past this church, and it's such a beautiful church. You know, it's the red brick and it has a steeple. It looks very much like that is what a church looks like. You know what I mean?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I drove past it, and they had a big sign about their Easter service. And I thought, oh, well, I'll go there for Easter services. And I did, and it was very nice.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'll give you another little fun fact about this church, Ange.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

This is where Kent Sibornak and his wife Shelly got married.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, come on.

[Jenna Fischer]

And guess what? They just celebrated their 30th wedding anniversary this past May.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's so great. That's so lovely.

[Jenna Fischer]

Congratulations, you guys. And then, guys, the reception took place in their social hall, which was on the second floor. So we were able to film everything at this one church.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. They have a fellowship hall, and they had, you know, they had the rooms like where Phyllis gets ready, you know, all of that was already at this church.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, incidentally, years later, we filmed a school recital scene for my TV show, splitting up together in that sort of hall. And our holding room for hair and makeup was that same room where Phyllis is getting ready before her wedding. And there's that famous scene with Michael. And I was, like, texting everybody. I was, like, blowing up everyone's texts. I'm like, I'm in the room where the fart happened.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here's another little thing about that church. I filmed there one day by myself because it's where Philip went to daycare.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, well, are you ready for fast fact number two?

[Angela Kinsey]

I am.

[Jenna Fischer]

We reached out to Phyllis. It's Phyllis's wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. How could we not talk to Phyllis? You guys? We are so thrilled.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Phyllis is back in St. Louis. She moved back there semi permanently a couple of years ago, and she sent in some audio clips. So the first thing we asked Phyllis was just what was it like to get this script and wear a wedding gown?

[Angela Kinsey]

Here's the fun thing. Jenna, Phyllis and I are the three cast members that had big weddings. And it's kind of like it is your wedding because it's all about you. It's kind of really fun.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. All right, so Sam, play her clip.

[Phyllis Smith]

Hi, ladies. It's Phyllis Smith, or soon to be known as Phyllis Lapin Vance of Vance Refrigeration. At least after this episode, right? I was so Thrilled when I saw the script. Let's be truthful, Every time we had a table read, we'd all get to the table, look at the script, and see how many lines we had. So I was really excited. And taken back when I saw that I was getting married to my love of my life. The whole episode, I really enjoyed it all. You ask about my dresses. Well, back in those days sounds like the dark ages, but it was early 2000 plus size women didn't have a lot of choices. We either looked like the grandmother or the great grandmother or the bride. There were not a lot of choices to be made for heavyset brides. And so I was just glad that I had a dress that looked pretty and was pretty comfortable. I have to give a shout out to wardrobe. They really, really took care of me. Every time I had to go to the restroom or anything, you know, they were right there to help me out with everything. But, yeah, back in those days, I didn't have a lot of choices, and so I just wanted to make sure that my arms were covered. I have a thing about my arms showing on camera and in public. As far as the dress was concerned, yeah, I was happy with it. It was fairly comfortable. And like I said, wardrobe really kept me. They were right there every second of the moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aw.

[Jenna Fischer]

I thought she looked gorgeous in this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

She looked so beautiful. That is the first time I've heard Phyllis's voice in a while. And Jenna, it just. It really made me tear up when I listened to it the first time when she sent them over. Yeah, she just. You can just hear. Phyllis's just pure. She's just a pure soul. You know what I mean? And you just hear it when she talks.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you know what one of my favorite parts of that audio clip was, Ange? Was that she referred to herself as Phyllis Lapin Vance of Vance Refrigeration.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

She added it to the end.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I love it. Well, that was so fun to hear. Phyllis. And she sent in several audio clips, you guys, so we're gonna hear from her throughout this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, and she sent in some good stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fast fact number three is Ken Whittingham, the director of this episode, joined us for an interview.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ken directed several episodes of the Office, and we just loved him. The cast loved Ken and Sam play his interview. Ken Whittingham, thank you so much for stopping by. Hi, Ken.

[Ken Whittingham]

Hey. Hey. Thank you for having me.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is so nice to see you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Just so lovely.

[Ken Whittingham]

I think about all the great times we had on the show. And I haven't seen you guys in so long, and it's so, so amazing to see your faces.

[Angela Kinsey]

We look just the same, right, Ken?

[Ken Whittingham]

Exactly the same. Maybe a little. Well, maybe a little younger.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what I would have said as well. Yes. Well, Ken, we always like to start by asking our guests a little bit about how they got their job on the Office. Can you tell us how you met Greg and how you came to be a part of the show?

[Ken Whittingham]

Sure. I got a call from my agent, and he said they're going to redo the Office in America. NBC is going to do the Office. And I was already a big fan of the British version. I said, sure, I'll go for the interview. And so they sent me. They actually sent me the dvd.

[Angela Kinsey]

And.

[Ken Whittingham]

And I didn't have a lot of hope for it. I said, oh, man, I hope they don't mess this up because it was such a brilliant show. And I watch it and I was like, wow, this is really good. So I went in for the interview and I met with Terry Weinberg and Greg Daniels, and we talked about it, and we talked about if America was ready for this type of show, and we really talked extensively about it, if America was gonna get it. And I was very optimistic and saying that I think America's ready for something different, something new. And that's how we met. We met. I guess it was right before the season started. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So they had done the pilot and then they were looking for directors for the series.

[Ken Whittingham]

Correct? Correct.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can definitely see Greg eating up that conversation, you know, sort of like talking about the show and how it's gonna hit America and how America's gonna react to it. Like, that's all sort of like, he's so open to those kind of conversations, you know?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, we talked a long time about it. That's basically all we talked about. Because I referenced. I remember referencing another show that really didn't work that well in America. I think it was called Absolutely Fabulous. Oh, yeah, they tried it in America. And it was funny because I was going down this road, but I really didn't want to go. I said, yeah, just like the show Absolutely Fabulous. They said, oh, before you say too much, we did that show also. We produced this show. It wasn't Greg, it was Terry Weinberg. So they said, well, what did you like about that show? I said, well, I said, I think everybody. Which was true. I think everybody looked too pretty. Everybody was just really good looking. And it just didn't feel Real.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, Ken, you directed a lot of episodes on the Office, and two were on location. You had Michael's birthday. That was at the ice skating rink. And now Phyllis's wedding. What was it like having us travel and be on location?

[Ken Whittingham]

It was great. It was great moving, being outside, because sometimes the Office can get a little claustrophob, and it's. And it's very safe. You know, the challenge to moving outside and going on location is still give it that feel of Scranton, you know, or someplace other than Studio City. So, yeah, so, you know, so we didn't want to see palm trees and that. So that was a real challenge. And so during prep, we really prepped heavily to make sure that it looked somewhat like Scranton or somewhere else, some place nondescript. So that was fun. And it was just fun to be in new spaces and try different things and kind of open the show up. I'm always a big fan of any show that I do. Going outside and getting into the world a little bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think something people don't realize is the prep process for an episode. How long would you get to prep an episode? Cause we've said we shoot for a week. But how long was your prep before shooting?

[Ken Whittingham]

Our prep was believe that show was four days.

[Angela Kinsey]

I believe that's not a lot to move a whole show.

[Ken Whittingham]

No cow.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then don't you, like, ride around in a little van and look at locations? Like a bunch of you all crammed in a van?

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. I have such a memory of you guys loading up and leaving set. And we're like, where did they go?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, it'd really be the first day because they would lock down a couple. Like, the locations department would lock down a couple's options that we would have. And then I would go to those options, the director and producers. We go to those locations. There might be two or three different places. And then we would make the decision then. And it was all about whether or not it was shootable. You know, just backgrounds and just accessibility to the location. Could we get it? Could we load cameras in easily and load out easily? So there are a lot of things we had to be aware of or be conscious of. So, yeah, that would be basically on that. On that prep day, that'd be the first thing we would do is go out and try to lock down the locations, because it would take a few days to get a permit to use specific locations.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, did you have a preference of shooting the episodes inside the Office bullpen or outside?

[Ken Whittingham]

I didn't really have a Preference? I didn't really have a preference because, you know, the writing was just so good. It was just. I mean, literally, I was reading Phyllis's Wedding yesterday, reading the script again, and it was just so. I don't know. It's just written so well. I mean, it's just written so well. So it was just like, wherever it was, it didn't matter because the words really kind of drove the comedy, you know? So that's what was great about it, you know?

[Angela Kinsey]

So there were all of these great little moments in this episode. You know, you had the Pam and Roy dancing, and then you had Angela and Dwight outside, and then all these little vignettes like Michael's head bobbing up in the window. And what was that? To sort of figure out where those little moments would happen and how you captured them.

[Ken Whittingham]

Well, what I would do is I kind of. I'm a super prepper, so I would. I would. I would. I kind of. I think for this episode, I made a shot list and the order in which we would go on and go in. So what I would do is I would kind of hopscotch. I would set up something somewhere else and then take a camera and go shoot something else. And so I was always staying ahead a little bit to be able to capture all that stuff, because that. That episode we had, I was just looking at it a few days ago, there were so many moments that weren't in the episode that we shot, you know, and so. And I think typically we would be about six, seven, eight minutes over, typically on every episode. So we would shoot more than a lot than we. More than we really needed. But I would just stay ahead and just try to get it all in, you know, and just. And it was very, very planned. And some things, you know, on the day, we would do things that weren't planned. Like when Uncle Al went outside, I think initially he was supposed to be sitting on a bench. And we got outside and it was nighttime. I said if he walked into the street, he was green. And then he went the opposite way against traffic, and cars came down, and literally, cars were honking and everything. So we used all that stuff. So none of that was scripted. We just kind of came up with that, you know, off the top of.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our heads, you know, that created so much more tension than him just sitting on a bench. That was such a good idea.

[Angela Kinsey]

You were really worried he was just gonna be wandering off somewhere in the night, right?

[Ken Whittingham]

Exactly. Yeah. I think in the episode, you see the light turn.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Ken Whittingham]

So we timed it and Everything. So that was really a lot of fun. I'm glad that made it into the cut.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Ken, I got so tickled just watching that moment when Angela Martin arrives and sees Dwight and they have that brief exchange, but that was kind of it. And then we had to go into the church. And I remember playing with you about, how do we then, like, we were like, break left, don't linger left. All of that kind of stuff. And I just remember you letting us play a little bit with that, and it was so absurd and ridiculous. Right. We just had so much fun.

[Ken Whittingham]

That was fun. That was a lot of fun. Because I just. I really wanted to create the awkwardness between the two of you, you know, because I knew that you were supposed to be meeting Dennis later on.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Ken Whittingham]

And so there had to be this little, you know, this tension, especially when he gave you that compliment, you know, and so I think that kind of, you know, I don't know, in my mind, that kind of sealed it. Like, you just became more attracted to him. And so it was easier for you to kind of blow this other guy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Off who was so perfect for her.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a runner, you guys. That didn't make it. In the episode, Phyllis sits Angela next to this guy named Dennis. She kind of tries to set her up at the. You know, at the reception. And Dennis is a vet. He loves cats. And Jesus, I mean, she chooses Dwight because he told her she looks like the Queen of England.

[Ken Whittingham]

Exactly. So funny. I know. So, yeah. I wish. I wish some of the stuff would have made it in other stuff from Dennis, but I guess we. Again, we just didn't have time.

[Angela Kinsey]

But there's so much good stuff in here, you know?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah. Yeah. And we even had. I think it was. I don't think it made it into the episode as well. We had Mike going. There was a chair that kind of. You know those chairs where people can't walk upstairs.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Ken Whittingham]

That was going up and down. We didn't use any of that either. We were just. It was just so much goofy. And that's the beauty about being on location, is that you have these spaces that. And you get these ideas that you can just do stuff that's not scripted at all, you know, so that's one of the great things about being on location.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there are a lot of really great deleted scenes. So for people that have the DVDs, you have to go see all the other stuff that Ken shot.

[Jenna Fischer]

People always want to know if the directors of episodes also have to shoot the flashback moments. Did you have to shoot that moment with little Michael at his mom's wedding to Josh?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun because we knew that it needed to look a little vintage, and so. And we kind of moved the camera like it was an old VHS camera, you know? And then we, of course, in post, we kind of doctored it. But it was really fun. It was a lot of fun. And we shot it and we just hoped that it would look great and look vintage, you know, looked older. So I think we achieved it.

[Angela Kinsey]

It looked fantastic.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you do that on the first day so that then Michael can watch it later? Or do you, like, CGI it onto the tv?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yes, we did. We shot it on the first day and then we played it back. I believe that's how we did it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, there were so many just fantastic big setups for this episode. Was there any moment that was the most challenging to shoot or, like, something really funny for you? Just one of these scenes that just hit you.

[Ken Whittingham]

I don't think that there was really anything too challenging. There was one scene that was really hard to get through. And I would say that was kind of challenging because we could not stop laughing. And that's when Michael went into. To check on Phyllis to see how she was doing. And then he said, you know, did you pass gas or break wind?

[Angela Kinsey]

Or break wind?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, the funny thing about that is that was a joke that was put into the script. That wasn't really supposed to stay in the script.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really?

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, that was never really supposed to. It was just like a joke that wouldn't it be funny if this happened? And then it just lived. And then it took, I guess Carolyn was telling me that Carolyn Williams, the writer of the episode. So it just kind of stayed and we just shot it. And Michael, you know, Steve was so good, he could not stop laughing. And, I mean, he could not stop laughing. I've never seen him break like that. And we all were just laughing. It took us about an hour to get there because we could not stop laughing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, Phyllis always was able to have such this earnest expression, you know, and whenever you had to be mean to her or just, like, have some random line towards her, and she would look at you with these sweet eyes. So I can see Steve not being able to get through it, being like, that is really pungent. She's just like.

[Ken Whittingham]

Right. And then he started messing around with her hair.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God.

[Ken Whittingham]

She was just like, okay, you gotta. Okay, you gotta go I feel like.

[Jenna Fischer]

Her whole interior monologue was just six weeks vacation. Six weeks vacation, right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because that's what she was gonna get, right?

[Ken Whittingham]

Exactly.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's how she's gonna get through it.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, yeah. With Bob Vance. Yeah, exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I loved. I loved in the wedding. I loved so much that they were like, do you, Phyllis, take Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration? Yeah, like you're taking the whole thing.

[Ken Whittingham]

That's what was so great about it. I think it was in the merger when she told Rasheeda, you know, you don't know who Bob Vance is. You know, you got a lot to learn, missy. And that's what was so funny about it, because Bob Vance was a big deal in that town, you know?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Ken Whittingham]

So he was all up. You know, it's all about Bob Vance refrigeration. Everybody knew him so well.

[Jenna Fischer]

Phyllis is now the first lady of Vance Refrigeration. I mean, she's gonna play the part, Right, Right. I'm sure she's gonna have to go to. I don't know. Is there ribbon cuttings involved? Advanced refrigeration, when they install, like, everything in a new restaurant or something.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I feel like there's a shopping mall where there's little, like, kind of stars, like the Hollywood walk of fame. And Bob Vance gets one, and they. They all go to downtown Scranton.

[Ken Whittingham]

That's right. And then there has to be a commercial, and she has to be in the commercial for Bob Vance.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I wish.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why did we never shoot that?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Ken, that is br.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that's the content we're missing, Ken. So we said before that you've directed nine episodes of the Office. Do you have a favorite? Can you pick a favorite?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's hard.

[Ken Whittingham]

You know what? It's a toss up, I think, between Phyllis's wedding, actually, and healthcare.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hot dog fingers.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah. Yeah, Healthcare. Oh, my God. I can watch that over and over and over. I mean. And it was so great about it. We were. I think we shot. We definitely shot it within the first six, but we were all trying to figure out what the show was about and, you know, and trying to make it our own and trying different stuff, and we were all getting used to each other. It was just great. I loved doing, you know, being in the beginning of it. Cause it was. Did we shoot it? Was that the third episode we shot? Do you remember? Or.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, I think we shot that season a little out of order. So it might have been like. It was the fifth episode we shot, but it was the third Episode that aired.

[Ken Whittingham]

It aired. That's what it was.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, those were the early days. That was when we only got six, and then they sent us home.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah, exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was a really magical time.

[Ken Whittingham]

It really, really was. And everybody was so unsure about it. And I just remember walking away and just feeling so good about it, you know, just feeling so, like, wow, that was really fun and different and great. And the cast was. It was. Everybody was perfect. And I remember my agent saying the next season came around, and I saw all the attention that it was getting from itunes, and so I made sure I called my agent, said, look, you got to get me back on that show. You know, that show is. Because I think it was up in the air. We didn't know if we were coming back or not.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Ken Whittingham]

I said, if they come back, I gotta be. I want to be involved in that show. So luckily, the college kids got us, you know, got us, you know, the.

[Angela Kinsey]

College kids and now the middle schoolers.

[Ken Whittingham]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're keeping us going.

[Ken Whittingham]

You know, it's funny is that I still. I really lead with that. When people ask me what shows. If I explain to somebody that I'm a director and they say, what shows have you done? Anything I've known, I goes, well, what show called the Office? You know, I brag about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're like, what?

[Ken Whittingham]

So I get a lot of props for that. I'm just so appreciative to be a part of that show. It's just such a. Such a great show. And it's the kind of show that you can just still watch over and over and over and still. Because there's all these little subtleties and just moments, you know, like we talked about Michael jumping up and down in the window and looks like when Pam and Roy were dancing. And then, you know, Pam and Roy, and then, you know, you and Dwight, you know, it was just. It was just really sweet, sweet moments. And you just, you know, you just cherish those great moments.

[Angela Kinsey]

Kim, this was so lovely.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much. And what are you up to now? Well, now I know that you directed some Bless yous Mess, which is the show that replaced my show.

[Ken Whittingham]

That was good. But if it makes you feel any better, we got canceled, too.

[Jenna Fischer]

So, I mean, I'm not saying I.

[Ken Whittingham]

Feel better, but, yeah, I'm just. I'm doing a new show with Jamie Foxx on for Netflix. It's called dad, Stop Embarrassing Me. It's loosely based on him and his daughter's relationship. And then in the fall, late fall now, I think after the election. I'm doing a show for NBC with Kenan Thompson to is called Wake up with Kenan. And it's Kenan Thompson and Don Johnson and Maya Rudolph. Maya Rudolph was his wife, but it passed away. So I think. So that's basically the storyline is he has a morning show and then he's taking care of two kids and Don Johnson is his father in law.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ken Whittingham]

Yeah. So it seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Ken, you were so beloved by the office cast. We have talked to so many of the cast members in doing this podcast. We reach out to people. Phyllis sent us in audio clips and she was like, oh. And it was Ken Whittingham. And we always loved it when Ken was there. And just know that you have so much love for you from our cast. And Jenna and I would love for you to come back. So, yeah, come on back anytime.

[Ken Whittingham]

I would love it anytime. I love you guys and I miss you guys and I even still think about you. Jenna. I go, when I'm in Laguna, I go, did Jenna move down here? I wonder if she around here.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we would spend how much time just talking about Laguna. Moving to Laguna, Looking up houses in Laguna. I have this dream of like one day moving to a beach house.

[Angela Kinsey]

Cashing out of la, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. You are talking up Laguna.

[Ken Whittingham]

You know, it's really funny because right after I get off, when I'm done with this, I'm going down there. My wife's down there now, so I'll be there.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, well, all of our love to you. Thanks for coming on today.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thanks, Ken.

[Ken Whittingham]

Thanks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bye.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bye.

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

How fun was that?

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Well, let's get into this episode, Jenna. We start with a cold open. It's a classic Jim prank. You know, Jim says he has to reboot his computer and it makes this chiming noise and then he offers Dwight an Altoid. And then he keeps doing this over and over. Sort of like that Pavlovian, you know, sort of experiment with Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And Jim's prank works.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

After several times of doing this, the ding goes off and Dwight immediately puts his hand out for a mint and.

[Angela Kinsey]

He doesn't know why.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's just doing it on reflex.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. So we got a lot of mail about this. Blakey, Emma, Kayla, Bethany, and Elise all wrote in to say, in the cold open of this episode, the scene is a montage of multiple days. Did Jon and Rain have to constantly change outfits just to get this one scene? Yes. They had a rack of clothes of all these different changes, and they would film, go change. Film, go change, film, go change.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, yeah. And all the while, wardrobe is keeping track, and Veda on set, she's, like, keeping track of when they're in what outfit so that they could just get it done.

[Jenna Fischer]

But, guys, it wasn't just John and Rain. All the rest of us were in the background.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Anyone that the camera saw had to change as well.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I remember getting to work to shoot this cold open, and there were, like, seven outfits in my trailer, which never happened. We would have one outfit. We would wear it every single day for five days.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, they washed it, guys. They washed it, you know. Well, yeah, yeah, we wore the same thing every day. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

But to walk in and, like, my little closet was totally full of all these clothes. I had to go back and look and be like, wait, what? Oh, yeah, it's the cold open with the dinging computer.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a great catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then we just had this fun tidbit from Amanda Teague, who said, my psychology professor used the cold open of this episode to teach us about the Pavlovian theory.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. Well, last night, I read up a lot about Pavlov. I'm not gonna go into it. Here's the first time I'm doing a deep dive, and I'm like, you know what, you guys? It was fascinating. It's a whole podcast in itself.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now I'm intrigued.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, I will read one thing that I discovered. Okay, you know what?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a shallow dive. Give me a shallow div.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pavlov studied a lot about conditioning and how we react to things. How we can have involuntary reactions to stress or pain are like the cues that Jim was doing to Dwight with the chime, and then you get a treat. Okay, this is the part I found really fascinating. They began to study trans marginal inhibitions, the body's natural response of shutting down when exposed to overwhelming stress or pain.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, I guess like going into shock.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Yeah. Like when your body just shuts down. Research showed that different temperaments move through the responses at different times. I thought this was fascinating because, you know, something might happen traumatic in your life, and you and the members of your family or your friends all experience it a little bit differently.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you travel through stress and pain differently. Pavlov commented that the most basic inherited difference of people as they travel through stress and pain was how soon they reach the shutdown point. And that people that are quick to shut down have a fundamentally different type of nervous system.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like on a cellular level, they have a different nervous system.

[Angela Kinsey]

I guess this is why it needs a massive deep dive.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that's a shallow dive. That's making me want to dive into the deep end. I'm going to start ordering more books. I haven't gotten my books yet about Jan Levinson Gould's name psychology people yet. But I'm waiting.

[Angela Kinsey]

You have a lot to read, lady. You're going to be very busy.

[Jenna Fischer]

All well, should we move into the meat of this episode? The spam of this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

You reminded me when you said that of like Michael, like who wants my meat?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, let's get into the meat of this episode. We're at the church. Phyllis's wedding party is out on the steps being photographed. Michael is trying to squeeze himself into these pictures. The photographer does that great bit where he's like, you know what? Just, just, just Phyllis and her parents, but then also the bridesmaids and also you too. It's like basically everyone but Michael. Well, people wrote in Sidney Pappas, Henry Wengard, Tara S, James G. And Emily Lansham all want to know who played Phyllis's bridesmaids and family. Were they all actors? Were any of them her real family members, like Mindy's parents in Diwali? No, they were all actors. Her main sister that we see throughout the episode was played by Maile Flanagan and the photographer in the scene was played by John F. Schaeffer. So those are just a couple of the guest stars.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, Mailey Flanagan is a great improv sketch actress and she performed with Wayne Wilderson and Nancy Walls before she was Nancy Carell.

[Jenna Fischer]

O Mr. G. Well, next up, Michael explains that he is part of the wedding party because Phyllis has asked him to push her father down the aisle. So he's basically giving away the bride. And it's, it's a big day for Phyllis, but it's, it's also just a really big day for him.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's employer of the bride.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well then Phyllis has a talking head explaining the reason why she asked Michael to be in the wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

She said she is going to get a six week vacation. Yeah, a six week honeymoon. And that's never been done. So she had her motives.

[Jenna Fischer]

She did. And she's gonna pay for it.

[Angela Kinsey]

She will decision Nothing really comes for free, guys. Nothing comes for free.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, then Pam has a talking head where she says Phyllis used the same invitations as her and Roy. There's a big P and a big.

[Angela Kinsey]

R. I have a question for you about this because you hold it up. Yeah, I took a screen grab. I looked at it. So you remember your save the date that you handed Angela Martin in Conflict Resolution?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was, like, shades of purple.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was a save the date. That's different from an invitation.

[Angela Kinsey]

But didn't we say that Pam's bridesmaids were going to have, like, lilac dresses or something at one point? Like, purple was her color. Purple's not here today, guys. There's orange, turquoise.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, you're right.

[Angela Kinsey]

There's a big jump from whatever her save the date idea was to what her wedding was gonna be.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, some changes were made.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

It ends up being more bluey. But then in Pam's wedding to Jim, she goes back to lilac.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I expected to see more purple people. That's all I'm saying.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, then Stanley, Jim, and Karen arrive, and we find out that they've both purchased toasters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I called it the dueling toasters. Stanley's really, really annoyed.

[Jenna Fischer]

Carissa, Caitlin, Nicole, Kimberly, and Angela all said Stanley bought Phyllis a toaster for her wedding present. Do you think it's the same toaster that he bought for Pam and Roy's wedding that he couldn't return, and now he's re gifting it 100%? Yes. I think that's part of the joke.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the same wrapping. You just put it on a shelf.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like Karen and Jim checked the registry. They picked the toaster. Maybe Stanley checked the registry, and he's like, oh, she wants a toaster. I've got a toaster over here I need to unload.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So imagine, you know, Jim and Karen's surprised. They're like, well, wait, it said it was. Was still available on the registry.

[Angela Kinsey]

What the heck?

[Jenna Fischer]

I think that's why we get the dueling toasters.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love it. Next, Dwight and Angela arrives separately, but they run into each other in the parking lot. He tells her she looks as beautiful as the Queen of England. This is apparently a very high compliment. Angela really loves it. And then she insists that they can't walk in the same. And she's like. Like, don't linger. Break left, left. And Jenna, part of that was improvised. Cause I remember that on the day and rain And I had a lot of fun being so silly in that parking lot. But I have to talk a minute about my outfit.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, well, you're gonna make Hunter Sexton and Kennedy McAllister very happy because they wanna know all about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I remember wardrobe saying that this was vintage, that they. It was like a vintage suit that they found. It was very much like Jacqueline Kennedy, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jacqueline Kennedy, for her husband's inauguration, 1961, wore a pillbox hat and wore this cloth sort of wool coat. This was radical at the time. I looked it up because everyone would have been wearing mink, mink coats, mink hats. And there's Jacqueline in, like, cloth and wool. I was like, what?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I forever in my brain thought that her pillbox hat and dress were a shade of blue on that day.

[Jenna Fischer]

Are they not?

[Angela Kinsey]

No. No. So this was so cool. I looked up to see who made her hat. It was made by Halston. And when I did, I found out all of this information. Most people think it was blue because at the time, I guess color film struggled to match real hues in photos. But this dress is actually at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum. That's where this outfit is stored. And it is, in fact, beige. Beige, not blue. She wore a beige pillbox hat and a beige coat.

[Jenna Fischer]

Whoa.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And if you look up this image in so many images, it's blue. Except if you look at the COVID of Life magazine from the inauguration, it is beige.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, and I'm a little surprised she wore beige to an inauguration.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I thought so, too. She did have a mink. What do you call it that you put your hands in?

[Jenna Fischer]

Stole.

[Angela Kinsey]

A stole. Is that what it is?

[Jenna Fischer]

Is that a stole?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. Little handball thingy. Is it a muff?

[Jenna Fischer]

A muff? No, muffs are for your ears. It's a handful.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was like a mink. Brown. Mink ball. And you put your hands in it. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. And I just. You can tell, you and I are on the cutting edge of fashion.

[Jenna Fischer]

A mink ball. She had a mink ball.

[Angela Kinsey]

She had a mink ball. She put her hands in. And. And the collar of her coat was trimmed in the same color mink as the ball she put her hands in. But the whole outfit was beige, very bold. And then the thing that Halston, I think, would really want you to know, because he did an interview about it, is that he spent hours shaping that hat so it have a perfect rounded dome top. And then when she Went outside, the wind began to blow, and she had to put her hand on top to hold the hat, and it dented it in the middle.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait, the shape of the hat that I've become like that's burned in my brain. Was a mistake because she had to flatten it.

[Angela Kinsey]

She had to hold it to her head. She didn't mean to. It was blowing off. So she grabbed it, and that action put a dent in it. And so it was photographed the whole entire day. This was right at the beginning as she walked out. So it was photographed the whole day with this dent in it. And I mean, within, you know, several days, all across America, people were selling this dented hat to match Jackie's pillbox hat.

[Jenna Fischer]

I cannot believe that her pillbox hat was supposed to be rounded.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. It was supposed to be like a little dome.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have to say, I think God sent that wind that day because a domed hat would have just looked so silly. But I think a tainted hat. I think. I think the dent was the right move. I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

All right, Halston, put on your earmuffs.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm just saying sometimes there are acts of serendipity.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna thinks the dent was ordained.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. Well, after this scene, Angela, we have a Dwight talking head that will become so relevant and important later. At the end of the series, he explains that the Shrews have a tradition of getting married while standing in their own graves. And we are not going to forget this later when Dwight finally marries.

[Angela Kinsey]

We'll get there. But people had to help me in that hole.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, so everyone's sort of filtering in. They're signing the guest book, yada, yada. In the meantime, Michael is checking in on Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

He comes into the room. He wants to make sure she's all right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he's really taken his role seriously.

[Jenna Fischer]

As employer of the bride. This scene is absolutely fantastic. It's famous. It's famous. You know, Ken talked a little bit about how much they laughed while they were doing this scene. We had a lot of people write in. Kat, Merilee, Emily, Stephanie, and Dan all wanted to know if any of the Michael and Phyllis dialogue in this dressing room scene was improvised. Specifically the word pungent. Well, guys, that was all in the script. They performed this almost exactly as scripted. I think that just tells you how well written this scene is. But we had to ask Phyllis what it was like to film this scene.

[Phyllis Smith]

That scene was unbelievable. We had the best time. I don't know how many times we had to stop to Start over. Because there was one word in particular that we just could not get through, and that was pungent. Every time Steve said the word pungent, he would break out into this high pitched cackle. And then I would start laughing. And then all of a sudden we heard the video village and the sound people outside the door because we were in a small dressing room area with just the camera guy and a sound boom. I'm not even sure if the boom guy was in there. So we could hear them cackling and laughing on the outside. So we had to stop. They had to move. They had to go down to the bottom of the stairs and set up down there. I couldn't breathe. I was laughing so hard. I couldn't breathe. He was laughing so hard. And we took. I don't know. I don't know how many times we started over. And it was all because of the word pungent. It's so pungent, it makes me laugh to think of it now. And the only way I found, because I didn't want to keep ruining the scene from laughing, you know, and the only way I got through that scene was to hold my breath when I wasn't talking. I literally had to suck it up and hold my breath. Otherwise we just couldn't get through it. It's a very fond memory and one of the best that I can have in my entire life. It was a great few moments there. So when you hear the word pungent, know that all hell broke loose every time we said it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, man, I love that so much.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know, I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

This scene made us laugh at the table read, and then it made us fall apart when we watched it. What really got me was the word pungent, but it was the breath that Steve took before he said it. Yeah. Oh, man, I wish I could have been a fly on the wall. I would have ruined the takes even as a fly. Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you know, this scene was supposed to go on.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Bob Vance is supposed to come to the door.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. It's in the deleted scenes on the dvd. Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Well, I guess they couldn't get through that part either.

[Angela Kinsey]

Bob comes to the door and he's like, you know, Michael's there. And Michael's like. And he's like, oh, what is that smell? And Michael's like, that was Phyllis. She has some nerves, some wedding jitters. And Phyllis is like, it is not me. And Papa's like, I'm gonna go, oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

My gosh, I wish that was still in the episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have to say it's really funny. All right, well, now Michael has a talking head that, you know, believe it or not, he's only ever been to one other wedding. Jenna, this made me sad.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I can't deal with Michael's childhood.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. It rips you up.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's too much for me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, he's only been to one other wedding, and it was his mom getting married to Jeff.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And there's a flashback video. It looks like maybe he peed his.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pants, you know, walking down the aisle as the ring bearer.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he runs out and he says, I hate you. And anyway, it's clearly a traumatic experience for him, and Michael is carrying all of that in now to only the second wedding he's ever been to.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, there's so much. This scene is really important because it's meant to justify why Michael behaves the way he does all day. You know, Michael's trying to heal an old wound here.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's trying to make up for the one other horrible wedding he's ever been to. You know, I feel like this is very relatable if you had a horrible experience back in high school, but now you've made it big and you're going back to your reunion. You're trying to make up for all that lost time. And I think that's a little similar here with Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think the other thing going on here, too, is that once again, Michael sees his co workers as his family. So he really thinks he has a bigger role in this wedding than he does.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

So now folks are entering the church, right? They're arriving for the ceremony, and Dwight and Jim have this exchange. Dwight's like, who are all these people? Yeah, he clearly doesn't like crowds.

[Jenna Fischer]

He says he has this line. He says, we need a new plague. There's too many people.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did you say plague?

[Jenna Fischer]

What? Plague.

[Angela Kinsey]

Plague. There's an a. Have you said plague your whole life?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, plague. We need a new plague.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm just saying plague.

[Angela Kinsey]

Plague. It's a plague.

[Jenna Fischer]

Plague.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm saying plague. I cannot believe I'm saying something correctly and you're not. This is. Let's go buy a lottery ticket. Anything can happen. All right.

[Jenna Fischer]

He says, we need a new plague.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we had a fan question from Brianna Everett, who wants to know, did Dwight improvise that line about the plague? No, that was scripted.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, this episode was really well written. It really was. So there's. I feel like there's a lot of lines that feel like they're Improvised. But they were written.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was written.

[Angela Kinsey]

So now Dwight has this in his head that people are crashing the wedding and he's gonna have to go find them. Jenna. He's a man on a mission. And everyone else is arriving, and they're sort of, like, mingling and talking.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Kevin introduces himself to Toby's date, who he does not believe Toby met at the gym. He's, like, basically implying she's a hired escort.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is classic pervy Kevin.

[Jenna Fischer]

We had some fan questions from Cassidy Hill, Allison Lowless, and Lisa Rice. Is Toby's date a hired escort, or did Toby really meet this beautiful woman at a gym? And why don't we ever see her again? Well, I'll tell you, I don't know why we never see her again. Well, there was a talking head in the script. After she catches the bouquet at the end, Toby says that she's a pediatric nurse.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

But that was cut out of the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Episode that is in the DVD box set.

[Jenna Fischer]

There you go. So it was a deleted scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

I believe that she's a pediatric nurse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Well, also, we have a quick moment, a little joke that I really like, which is that Kelly has worn white to the wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

It looks like a wedding dress with a tiara. I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Tiara, tiara.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm gonna let that one slide.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, well, now it is Michael's moment. He's about to walk Phyllis down the aisle. He's about to start pushing Elbert.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, folks. Did you hear that, Elbert? I got into a big debate with my family. They were positive that he was saying Albert, and I said, no, it's Elbert. I know. I'm hearing Ilbert.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's weird because her father's name is Elbert, and then there's Uncle Al.

[Angela Kinsey]

But it's Elbert.

[Jenna Fischer]

Elbert. Correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, as the doors open, we reveal Phyllis in her wedding dress. And Pam turns to camera and says, oh, my God, that's my dress. So she has stolen the invitations and now her wedding dress. We had a fan question, Angela, from Kayleigh Connolly, and I'm going to need your input here, okay? She says, throughout this episode, Pam realizes that Phyllis has stolen all of her wedding details, and then she's wearing the same dress. Well, in the season finale, Angela looks like she's wearing the same dress that Phyllis wore in her wedding to Dwight. Was this planned?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, so I wrote this down, too, you guys. When we were watching it, I was watching it with the kids. I said, oh, my gosh, that's my dress. And then the kids were like, no, you mean it's Pam's dress? I said, no, it's my dress. And I have all these photos on my phone. I took a ton of photos for the finale, Jenna, of my wardrobe fitting. All of is almost identical. I don't think this was planned, obviously. I don't think Angela Martin would try to emulate Phyllis's dress. I think it was by chance, but you guys, it is so similar. I had a little lace shawl jacket thing. It didn't come long sleeve like Phyllis's. Goes all the way to her. Her wrists, you know, mine went sort of just to the elbow area. And then we had a strapless kind of dress. I do not have a broad ribbon band on mine like hers, but it's super similar.

[Jenna Fischer]

I looked it up too. I had pictures side by side on my computer. They are so. It's like the cut of the dress is so similar.

[Angela Kinsey]

Crazy. I know. Okay, so they're walking down the aisle, and as they get about halfway down, Elbert is sort of moved to stand up. He's like, he wants to try, right?

[Jenna Fischer]

It's his daughter's wedding, and Phyllis is.

[Angela Kinsey]

So delighted, she just starts to smile and everyone applauds. And Michael is like, no frickin way. He had one job. He had one job and they just took it away from him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he just reverts back to that little boy who didn't get to walk down the aisle with the ring and the dog took his spot.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Michael is just watching Phyllis and her father walk down the aisle to all of this applause. What he does is just sort of awkwardly pushes. Drags the wheelchair down the aisle behind them.

[Angela Kinsey]

So here's my question, Jenna. Cause you have the script. I sort of figured in the script it would say Michael awkwardly walks behind them. Was that dragging of the wheelchair, was that Steve or was that in the script?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Angela, you are not the only person to wonder. Oh, so I did look this up because Camille, Sarah, Dylan, Megan and Katie all asked the same question. Yes, it was scripted. Here's what it says in the script. It says, Michael can't figure out how to undo the lock on the wheelchair, so he drags it down while still doing a traditional wedding walk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So all of that of him doing the, like, step together, step together. That was, you know, a script note.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we asked Phyllis about this moment, and here's what she had to say.

[Phyllis Smith]

One of the scenes that stood out in my mind was when I was walking down the aisle. And since I've Never been married. To me, that was a real thrill. And then Michael, Steve, Michael. When he started dragging the wheelchair after my dad had gotten up and was going to walk me down the aisle and Michael was dragging the wheelchair, I could not keep a straight face. And I was so happy that the majority of the time, my back was to that action because it was just hard to keep it in. Just the sound of the wheelchair dragging down the.

[Jenna Fischer]

I remember that. I remember it was very hard to get through.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna, I don't know if you remember, but I sat directly behind you.

[Jenna Fischer]

No.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And we were tickled because between scenes, we could turn around and chat to each other.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, it's funny because someone pointed out that it seemed like all of the Dunder Mifflin employees were on one side except for Pam.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Usually there's a bride's side and a groom side, but I guess we sat on the groom's side.

[Angela Kinsey]

But I do remember I had. I have such a memory of how beautiful the back of your hair looked. It looks so beautiful.

[Jenna Fischer]

I watched this episode and I just thought I looked fantastic. I'm just going to say I was like, oh, my gosh, you did. My hair looks amazing. That dress, that color, that chocolatey color dress.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'd never seen you in that color before, personally.

[Jenna Fischer]

Why don't I wear that color more? Is what I thought.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. I feel like that color inspired me because that was the color of the dress I wore to the Golden Globes. Remember that time that when we met Ben Affleck? Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I was like, if Pam can wear it, I can wear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I noticed something else about the wedding guests.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. Gino and Leo. Bob Vance did not seem to invite any employees, so Phyllis invited all of her work friends, but I didn't see a big bunch of Vance Refrigeration people.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you only know two of them, really.

[Jenna Fischer]

Gino and Leo.

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe Phyllis was like, those two will do something. They're always up to something. They're on my list. No, they're on my no list.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, well, I'm sure Bob was like, we're inviting Michael, but I can't bring Gino and Leo. I don't think Bob cared. Well, I don't know if you noticed in the line of groomsmen standing up there, there are a set of twins. Those are meant to be Bob's grown sons. Oh, it's in the script that Bob's twin sons are standing up for him. So he has his best friend. And who gives a little Bit of a speech later. And then his twin sons, and then I don't know who the other man is meant to be, but no Gino and Leo.

[Angela Kinsey]

So Phyllis is now a stepmom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. The minister is trying to finish the vows, but Michael jumps the gun and he pronounces Bob and Phyllis man and wife.

[Angela Kinsey]

He had to get something in there.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it's crickets because the vows aren't finished, everyone.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know what the best job for Michael would have been is if he could have just been the DJ at the reception.

[Jenna Fischer]

Just be the person who announces them in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

For the first time, I'd like to introduce to you. Yes, that could have been it. Give him a microphone.

[Angela Kinsey]

It would be like the Dundees for him all over again. He could be like. And now for the first dance and all of that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I don't know. I don't know if you should give Michael a microphone, as we will see soon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you. You know what, Angela? I always like to give shout outs to our guest actors. The minister was played by Rick Scarry. And Michael does finally get it right. Everyone cheers. And he's. He's a little happy with that moment. He's like, oh, good.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he should have just left it alone. He had his moment, Michael. But Michael can't leave it alone, you guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. And it's all gonna blow up at the reception, Roxanne. All right, well, let's take a break and when we come back, we'll talk about what happens. This show is sponsored by Liquid Ivy.

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, all the time. I kept getting the suggested ad for this special cushion for your butt. I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

So you can just stop wasting your budget on the wrong audience and start targeting the right professionals only on LinkedIn ads.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Terms and conditions apply only on LinkedIn ads. All right, so we are back. We're about to go to Phyllis and Bob's reception and Angela. It is really hitting me that we were on location this entire episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna. I wrote about it in my journal. I said we were on location all week and we got to spend a lot of time in our trailers together because we had no, quote office set to call home. Oscar and I, Oscar and I played music and danced in my Trailer. Oh, and John's trailer was hangout central. The guys were playing Madden football in there. And we went, us gals, and hung out in there, too. Rain actually attempted to teach me how to play Madden. I was horrible. And he was so patient. At one point, our second AD was trying to find us all. And when he came to John's trailer, it was John, Rain, Jenna, Rashida, and me. Us gals took turns hosting lunch. Today I hosted. And I realized I spent the morning sprucing up my trailer. Isn't that crazy? I cleaned it and then I lit a candle like I was at home having people over for dinner.

[Jenna Fischer]

Of course you did. Oh, my gosh, this is so cute. I think the thing that's striking me, Angela, is that it's true how little time we spent in our trailers when we were back on our Dunder Mifflin set. Because we would just hang out at our deck between scenes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly. That's why I said we didn't have our office desks. And I know a lot of these scenes, Jenna, if we weren't in them, they really wanted us to go to our trailer because they didn't want, you know, they didn't want to be looking for us all throughout the church. So when we weren't in scenes, they wanted us to go to our little base camp area.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we didn't do as much background work in this episode as you might think. They really crafted these shots, and Ken kind of talked about that. He had a very special, specific shot list, and he knew exactly what he wanted to see and when he wanted to see it. So if you weren't a part of that storytelling, you were back in the trailer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Learning how to play Madden Football from Rain Wilson.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess so now that you bring it up, I have a vague memory of Rain very patiently trying to teach you all the buttons on that controller. I was horrible back at the reception. I guess on the way into the reception, they have a traditional receiving line. Everyone walks through. You have a nice little moment with Phyllis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I say that her dress is so white, it's almost blinding.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think I know what the implication is there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. But did you notice that I have little lace gloves on? No. Yes. And I had to wear them the whole week, and they drove me crazy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you know, they would especially drive you crazy today because you cannot wear lace gloves and operate a smartphone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, right. I wouldn't be able to swipe up or do anything.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, that was my first thought. My first thought when you told me that. But then my Other thought is, were they itchy?

[Angela Kinsey]

They were a little too long for my fingers, so I had this little, like, floppy bit, and then that's what she said. I have a deleted talking head where I show up to the church, and it's one of the craziest shots. I meant to bring it up to Ken. Dang it. It's like he put the camera on the ground, Jenna. And it's shooting up from the asphalt, like, under my chin. It's not super flattering. And I'm looking down, and high above my head is the cross in the steeple of the church. It's a very dramatic talking head where I basically say, you know, I like traditional weddings, so let's see what this one's going to be like. And as I'm doing it, I have black gloves on, and I'm taking them off slowly. And as I do, underneath are my lace gloves.

[Jenna Fischer]

I adore that detail. That is very funny. So people are milling about. People are kind of like, you know, checking out the food. They're walking around. Kelly finds Pam, and she is like, oh, my God, you must be so miserable right now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Pam's like, I don't know. I'm fine. I'm okay. And she's like, well, she would be freaking out and getting drunk and telling someone she's pregnant.

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam's like.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam's like, it's a lot of good ideas.

[Angela Kinsey]

I feel like Kelly is a frenemy. I feel like she's one of those types of gals. Like, clearly, Pam is noticing all of this. She really doesn't want anyone to then, like, rub it in her face. But she's like, oh, my God, Are you so bummed out because they totally took your wedding and Roy's here and Jim's with someone else. I would be miserable.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. But it's all under the guise of like, are you okay?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. She doesn't care. She doesn't care if you're okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

No. No. This is a gossip moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, Dwight is determined to find the wedding crashers. Dwight finds an elderly guest at the buffet. He's, like, putting a roll in his pocket. I respect that move. I have put bread in my purse before.

[Jenna Fischer]

I've done it, too. Yeah, many times.

[Angela Kinsey]

Many times I've done it with you.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't like to be without food. I want to have a snack on me at all times.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. So Dwight thinks he's a wedding crasher. He starts asking him all these questions, and the man is confused. And Dwight's like, that's it. And kicks him out.

[Jenna Fischer]

He kicks him out, and that's when Michael checks in with Phyllis, who's like, is everything okay? He mentions he sent back the chicken because it was undercooked. Phyllis is like, it was fixed. He's like, I'm on it. Well, we had a fan question from Ashley Brooks. She wanted to know, did either of you have a funny story or a wild card guest like Michael at your weddings? You know I didn't, but two people did have sex in the bushes at my wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know one of them. It wasn't me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I know both of them because they were guests at my wedding, and they didn't come together.

[Angela Kinsey]

What? Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that sounded weird. I don't know that much. I don't know that many details about their. About their rendezvous.

[Angela Kinsey]

You see, I was like deer in headlights. I was like, what?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, dear.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, they didn't arrive to the wedding.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wedding together.

[Angela Kinsey]

They hooked up at your wedding?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, well, I can tell you, at my wedding, we didn't have a random guest, but my husband really, really, really wanted to have a signature drink. He was, like, so excited about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love a signature drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. He did, too. I was like, eh. But he likes a Moscow Mule. So he wanted to have the Moscow Mule, but he wanted to use. Is it bourbon? I'm gonna get this wrong. It's actually called a Kentucky Mule. They make it a little different. But he wanted everyone, as their wedding favor, to get a copper mug. Do you remember this, Jenna?

[Jenna Fischer]

I love my copper mug.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. You took yours home?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I told Josh. I was like, josh, people are not going to realize they can take them home. They're not. And he's like, yes, they will. We'll say it's the. The party favor. They get to take a copper mug home. Engraved on it was, like, our wedding date. I was like, babe, this is really nice. People are not going to take them home. And we got into a little fight about it. It was planning the wedding. Guess what?

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

We have 55 copper mugs.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, no.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Lee and I both took our mugs home. I knew that that was your wedding favor, probably because you told me.

[Angela Kinsey]

And also, we had a sign. It had your table where you went to get seated, tied in a ribbon with your name. And they said, this copper mug is yours to take home.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, to be fair, Angela, if you had been a guest at your own wedding, would you have read the sign and taken home your mug?

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna, when it comes to getting free things, I read, okay, that's it. You know what? I wouldn't have read the instructions on where to park.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

I would have circled around until I figured it out. But I would have known to take the copper mug home.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fair enough. All right, well, now we have some big news. Scrantonicity is going to be playing at Phyllis's reception. Yeah, she hired Kevin's band. Scrantonicity. It's their third gig. Their previous two gigs were for members of their own band. But before they begin playing their set, Kevin asked the crowd, has anyone seen Uncle Al? He has dementia and his family is really worried about him. And then he immediately launches into Roxanne.

[Angela Kinsey]

The timing of that is so perfect.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Angela, we got a lot of questions about the band. Becky, Hadassah, Marie, Sam and Sarah all wanted to know, was it really Brian Baumgartner singing at the wedding? And was he really playing the drums? Yes and yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes and yes. And he practiced, you guys. He took it really seriously. He worked so hard on that, and I thought he did such a great job.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I have an observation, Jenna. Wasn't this also the band that was going to play at Pam's 1?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

So put it on the list.

[Jenna Fischer]

Put it on the list. And speaking of, Roy is about to find Pam, and he tells her he is so impressed by all the details at this wedding and that Phyllis has such great taste.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jenna, there is a deleted scene. It's fantastic. Phyllis comes up to Pam at the reception and it's like, hey, you might have noticed that Bob and I use the same after dinner mints. Like party favor from your wedding that you had planned. I hope that's okay. And you're like, basically Pam's like, just the mints. So. Wait, can you play it, Sam? I recorded it. Are you enjoying yourself?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, I'm having a great time. Good.

[Phyllis Smith]

You know, I don't know if you noticed, but Bob and I borrowed your idea for the after dinner mints that you were going to have at your wedding.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yes, that and also everything. I mean, the dress and the flowers.

[Angela Kinsey]

And the fish and the cake. You really sound like you're keeping track.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I just.

[Phyllis Smith]

You know, I could make an announcement if what you want is credit.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, I.

[Phyllis Smith]

Okay, well, maybe I should just move.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that is amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, how passive aggressive is that? Would you like me to make an announcement so you can get credit? It's so amazing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we asked Phyllis about this particular storyline, and she actually had some thoughts on the matter, so. Sam, play the clip.

[Phyllis Smith]

Pam said you know, that I'd stole her everything about her wedding, that I had stolen it and that I think the writers kind of like to write Phyllis kind of snarky sometimes. Well, well, when I got to thinking about it, I don't think that Phyllis Vance, Phyllis Lappen Vance, stole Pam's ideas and colors and flowers and stuff because she was being vindictive. I think that Phyllis had an admiration for Pam. And I thought if Pam likes those colors, then those must be pretty special. So it. That was always kind of a back story in my mind that I wasn't being nasty, that I was being.

[Angela Kinsey]

You.

[Phyllis Smith]

Know, kind of honoring Pam's wishes for her ill fated wedding. But she ended up having a great wedding, didn't she?

[Jenna Fischer]

Aww.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is just Phyllis being Phyllis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Phyllis Smith is so sweet. I do think Phyllis Lapin was a little shady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I think so too. But it also kind of explains that snarky comment, you know, if that was where she was coming from, of like, well, I was just. I admired your choices, but I guess if you need a bunch of credit, you know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I think it's sweet because it really speaks to how much Pam shared with Phyllis about her wedding planning. And you see little snippets of that where Phyllis is showing an interest, like they're in the kitchen and then Jim walks in. But this is the person that Pam could share with at work and was probably the only person who took an interest in her wedding. So I think that's why it was especially surprising to Pam where she was.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Angela Martin didn't need to hear about your wedding. She probably judged you for doing work on it at work.

[Jenna Fischer]

She did. I think there's. You have a whole thing where you come down on me about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, so now it's time for the speeches, everyone. Bob's best man, Randy, finishes up his speech and Michael jumps up. He has an amazing line. He's got a 40 minute speech plan.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All I'm gonna be your host for the next 40 minutes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it's all like, on napkins.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, a lot of people wanted to know how much of Michael's toast was improvised. Crystal, Sammy, Sarah, Aubrey, and Regan all asked also, was it hard to keep a straight face? Well, almost all of that speech was scripted. And yes, it's always hard to keep a straight face. But Phyllis had a different take on this. Here's what she had to say.

[Phyllis Smith]

Anytime Michael opened his mouth, it was hard to keep a straight face. And at that point, in the script, he was kind of hurtful, but he didn't even know it. So I didn't really have to strain to keep a straight face on that particular scene because I was so hurt that he was saying all those crummy things about me. Some true, but some not. No, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I love that Phyllis is like, no. I was so in the moment playing being hurt. And this reminds me of her scene in the first Christmas episode when Micah was so rude to her about her homemade oven mitt, and all the rest of us were just cracking up. And Phyllis stayed in character. She was hurt, and she didn't break.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, she's a total pro. I mean, she really took all of the different moments of the script that she was in. She really, really played it honest.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I want to give a shout out here to Bob's best man. He was played by Brian Douglas Hatton, and he's been in a bunch of stuff, including a recurring role as a detective on Monk. Oh, it's another Monk person.

[Angela Kinsey]

Another Office Monk crossover.

[Jenna Fischer]

There you go.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I have to point out something that's so ridiculous, but, you know, it is my way. Michael continues his speech and says that their couple's celebrity name would be Flob.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I looked it up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was like, when did people start doing this, like, combining the names? And this is what the Internet said, guys. The first time a celebrity couple's name was combined was Bennifer.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was gonna say Bennifer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez.

[Angela Kinsey]

How does everyone know this? This is, like, a unanimous thought online that Benefer started it all.

[Jenna Fischer]

I knew it.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

The next one after Bennifer was Brangelina.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. And then I guess there's one for Kanye west and Kim Kardashian, and it's Kim Yee.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah. Kim Yee. I've heard that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I haven't heard that.

[Jenna Fischer]

That one is not quite, in my vernacular, as much as Benifer and Brangelina. Well, but some people pointed out that, you know, Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston would have also been a Bennifer. No, they would have been a Brennifer. Well, after he does their name mashup, he goes on to do what I think he thinks is like a fun, playful kind of roast of Phyllis, where he tells everyone that her nickname in high school was Easy Rider. Well, that's it for Bob. Bob's like, you're out of here, buddy. And he takes the microphone, and he throws Michael out of the wedding as Michael screams, I hate you. This is the second time he screamed I hate you at a wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is full circle for him now. He's the little boy all over again, not getting to be part of the wedding. Groomsmen out there, if Jenna and I can impart anything on you. Don't roast the bride.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, good one.

[Angela Kinsey]

It never goes well.

[Jenna Fischer]

No, it's her day. Yeah, let her have her day.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, you can roast the groom. Don't roast the bride.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, we've got a bunch of little moments, and we talked with Ken about this. We kind of move into, like, the rest of the storytelling here in this episode is done in these, like, little vignettes. We have. Jim kind of comes up to Pam and is like, why aren't you gonna dance? And it's a little bit of a flirty moment.

[Angela Kinsey]

A little bit. He says, you look cute. It's a total flirt moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam knows it's a flirt moment. So now she's like, oh. But then, you know, he's off dancing with Karen.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is a series of moments where Jim and Pam both kind of get their hopes up and then get their hopes dashed. Michael tries to sneak back in the wedding, but Dwight won't let him in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight's so pleased. He's so pleased to be kicking him out.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then Pam is sort of sulking in a corner, and you hear, you were meant for me by Jewel. And Roy comes up to Pam and is like, oh, my gosh, they're playing our song. And she's like, yeah, it's so weird. I thought they only played the Police. And he's like, well, I gave him 20 bucks. Do you want to dance?

[Angela Kinsey]

Pam is very moved by this.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's thoughtful.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is thoughtful. And Roy is really making an effort, and they go and they dance together.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then the camera pans, and we see Angela and Dwight have sneaked off, and they are dancing together.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. So, you guys, this shot was really fun to do. We had to do it at night, so we did it one evening. It was outside, and Ken, when he had scouted the whole church, found this back door that then had steps that led down, Right. And so we decided to film it there. Those steps actually faced the street, which was a busy street, and we didn't have it blocked off. No one was crossing the street, so it was just people going about their evening. And as we slow danced in one take, a car drove by with the windows down, and they went, oh, my God, Dwight. Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

We had to do the takeover Again, that's amazing. Oh, my gosh. I love that.

[Jenna Fischer]

After this dance, Roy is like, hey, do you want to get out of here? And Pam says, yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And they walk off and they're holding hands, and Jim sees it, and it just hits you like a ton of bricks when he watches her leave with him. And then he has a talking head where he's like, you know what? I'm glad I'm here with Karen.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Yeah. And then we have a few moments. Karen singing with the band. Rasheeda mentioned this when she came on the podcast that she was so nervous to have to sing.

[Angela Kinsey]

She could not have been more adorable in this moment when he says, I'm glad I'm with Karen. And then it cuts to her singing and dancing. She's the cutest person on the planet. She was so stinking cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And I think Rashida would be happy to know that Arianna November wrote in to say, is Rashida Jones a trained singer? Because she is really good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Aww.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I thought she had a great voice too.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did, too. I did, too. And then I even thought, you know, Jim's reaction, like waving his phone in the air. It was cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So then Phyllis tosses her bouquet, and Ryan swats it away from Kelly. Kelly was clearly gonna catch that bouquet. And Ryan swats it away. A lot of people wanted to know if that was a scripted moment. Yes. Yes, it was.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Ryan can't let Kelly catch that. Do you know what that would do for their relationship? No, no, no. But who does catch it? Toby's date. And I loved so much, Jenna, that one on one of Toby to camera where he's like, toby. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now we move outside, and Michael is sitting on a bench with Uncle Al, and they're having this big heart to heart.

[Angela Kinsey]

How perfect is that?

[Jenna Fischer]

It was such a great scene. We had some people write in. Christy Carroll, Connor Yates, and Ashley Howell all asked, can you talk about the actors that played Uncle Al and Phyllis's dad, Elbert? Because they were both. Well, guys. George Ives played Uncle Al, and he was a longtime television actor. He appeared in Mr. Ed, The Andy Griffith Show, My Three Sons, Bewitched, and a bunch of movies. He passed away in 2013, and the office was his last television show that he appeared in, according to IMDb. Yeah. And he was just absolutely fabulous.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then Hansford Rowe played Phyllis's father. He passed away in 2017. He was a very accomplished actor. Listen to the movies he's been in. He was in Dante's Peak, Baby Boom. Three Days of the Condor. He's been in a ton of television shows. Modern Family, Will and Grace, Curb youb Enthusiasm, Six Feet Under. But here's the one that got me. He was in this miniseries called V. Do you remember V?

[Angela Kinsey]

Was it about aliens taking over?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And then you would. It was from the 80s.

[Phyllis Smith]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

People would do the sign. The V. The little sign with their fingers. Yes. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And the way you found out they were aliens is they would peel off their skin and they were like lizard people underneath.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Oh my God. I forgot about that show.

[Jenna Fischer]

Remember how shocking it was when you saw their lizards?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, listen, we had a fan question from Sierra, Katie Regan, Katie Slump, Allison and Lexi. They all noticed that at 19 minutes, 30 seconds, as Phyllis is leaving the church, she seems to have a black brace on her right knee. Well, guys, I asked Phyllis about this and she does not remember. She was definitely not injured during the making of this episode. But you know, she said she went through a few injuries during her time on the show. And I guess this must have been when she was favoring that knee a little bit. But I stopped it and sure enough, there is a little bit of a bandage there.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not catch that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, man. We have really good background catchers that watch the show.

[Jenna Fischer]

We do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now we have this tag, this little scene at the end and it's Bob and Phyllis. They're doing that thing where you shove the wedding cake in the face kind of thing. And of course Michael wants to get in on it. It's really awkward. I don't know if you noticed on this cake. It was so amazing. It was so well done. There was a full silver refrigerator made of fondant that sat on top of the cake as like the topper next to the little bride and groom figurine.

[Jenna Fischer]

I did not notice that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is brilliant. Of course. Of course there was a Vance refrigerator on the top of the cake with them.

[Angela Kinsey]

That was also cake. So you know how you take the top part of the cake and you save it and you have it on your one year anniversary?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're going to eat that refrigerator their one year anniversary.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you do that? Did you save the top of your cake and eat it a year later? No.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did you?

[Phyllis Smith]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know what, it's weird. I can't remember, but this past year we just celebrated our tenth wedding anniversary, Lee and I. Ten years this year.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's amazing, lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, and it happened during a pandemic and we had these plans that for our 10th wedding anniversary, we Wanted to take a big trip and take the kids to the spot where Lee proposed to me. And I wanted to have a family portrait taken in this spot. And that was. I mean, I've been have this in my head for, like, years. Since our seventh wedding anniversary. Yes. That this would be such a fun way to mark our 10th wedding anniversary. Well, you know, then we couldn't really go anywhere because our anniversary is in July. So we ended up having dinner outside underneath our fruit trees. And our original wedding planner, Beth Helmstetter, you know her, she set it all up for us. She came over, she wore a mask. She set this little table out under our trees. And do you know what she did for us?

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

She had the records from our wedding, and she had a tiny replica of our wedding cake made for us for four people, so that our kids could eat our wedding cake on our 10th wedding anniversary.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is so special. That is so sweet. I wanted to tell you, though, we didn't eat the top of our cake. That wasn't the type of cake we had at our wedding. But I have to tell you our topper story, which is, you know, we're a blended family. We were two whole families coming together. So our children were a really big part of our wedding. They all wanted to speak at the ceremony. And then when it came time for the cake, instead of getting a traditional bride and groom figurine, we let the kids design this out of Legos.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, that's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

And so we had a little Lego, sort of like they made, like, a little archway out of Legos, and then they put little Lego flowers on the white archway. And then they made Legos of me and Josh and then of each of them. So all three kids. So we had five little Legos under a Lego archway on top of our wedding cake.

[Jenna Fischer]

So sweet.

[Angela Kinsey]

So cute, right? And we saved it. It's on our mantel.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, lady, I just love all that. So we did get some questions about this cake scene. And, guys, I want to let you know. So this was originally shot to be earlier in the episode, and then. And they just liked it, so they used it as the tag. But it was meant to go right before Dwight confronts Uncle Al for stealing the bread at the buffet and throws him out. There were some questions about why this was at the end of the episode. It. It was just. Sometimes we do that. Sometimes, you know, we cut back to a moment that might have happened earlier as our tag.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, that's the fun thing about a cold open and a tag. Sometimes they don't have to be in sort of a time ordered manner.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, yes. Well, the original tag of this episode was supposed to be a series of photos where Michael is photobombing every single picture. I remember taking these pictures and you can find some of them.

[Angela Kinsey]

You can. Where are they? Office tally, maybe?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So for a while, NBC had these photos up on their website, and I don't think they're there anymore, but I'm gonna do a little digging and if we can find them, we'll put them up on the pod. But I remember shooting them. It was very, very funny.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I remember those too. Well, you know, Jenna, we asked Phyllis about the cake and just about this episode. Things she remembered and things that stood out to her. And here's what she had to say.

[Phyllis Smith]

Yes, it was very good cake. And we didn't really do that many takes of it. It was the end of the night. They didn't want to mess my face and hair up every time. So I think we just. Just practiced it without messing it all over our faces. And then we did it just the one time. So, no, we didn't do that multiple times where it had to be cleaned up and this and that. And then Michael went crazy, of course, smearing it all over his face. And, you know, one of the funniest scenes that I think that tore me up when I saw it for the first time was when Michael was outside jumping at the window, trying to look in after he had been escorted out by Dwight. I don't know, for some reason, that just really tore me up. I thought that whole wedding was. Of course, I would. Was a remarkable episode. Everybody had their shining moments in it. Kelly dressed in white and the whole Pam and Jim, Karen, Roy triangle, that was all great. It was just pretty special. And Ken, I think Ken directed that. He was fantastic. I always enjoyed working with him. And we were so blessed on that show. We had so many great writers, directors, and the fact that we all got to grow up together on the show, basically, not just this episode, the whole nine seasons. And it was really a blessing then and continues to be to this day. I'm glad you enjoyed the episode. I'm assuming you did, and I'll talk to you later.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now we're wrapping up the episode. But, Jenna, before we say goodbye, I have to talk about a few deleted scenes. One I talked about with Ken Whittingham about Angela's whole runner with Dennis. Yes, Dennis, the veterinarian, who she says, I'm sorry, but I'm with someone. She does end up Turning Dennis down. But here are the two other deleted scenes that were so funny to me. Number one, Kevin has a talking head. He says that he has proposed to four different girls. Oh, my gosh, four. But Stacy was the first one to say yes. And, you know, if it couldn't be Melissa Riley, then he's glad it was Stacy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who the heck is Melissa Riley?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. I thought that was delicious. And this is the other one I loved. Wedding planners. Listen up. There's a deleted scene where Meredith holds up a party favor, and it's a little, tiny refrigerator magnet. And when you open the door to the refrigerator, there's a picture of Phyllis and Bob.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, she didn't steal that from Pam's wedding.

[Angela Kinsey]

She didn't steal that one. But don't you wish you had that magnet? That little refrigerator magnet?

[Jenna Fischer]

So in the deleted scene, we see this item.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I took a screen grab of it. So who has that now? I don't know. But Meredith is the one who holds it up. She's like, did you guys get your little magnet? And it's a refrigerator. It's so cute.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, I love this refrigerator magnet that goes on your refrigerator so much that I would like you, please, because you're in charge of our merch.

[Angela Kinsey]

I am. I love it. You guys, if you ever have ideas, let me know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I have one, so I'm letting you know. Will you please make a refrigerator magnet with a little door that opens? And inside the refrigerator is me and you. I don't know why we're in the refrigerator. I just want to be in there. Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can be holding a little jar of sourdough starter. And you can be holding something, too.

[Angela Kinsey]

A glass of wine.

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

You open up the refrigerator to us, but you can put your own photo.

[Jenna Fischer]

In there, or we can just be on your refrigerator. We'd be happy to be there to keep you company.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sure. Well, you guys, that was Phyllis's wedding. A huge thank you to Phyllis Smith for sending in those audio files. And of course. Oh, my gosh. Thank you, Ken Whittingham.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Guys, we love you. We'll see you next week.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Bye. Bye.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for listening to Office Lady's second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jurkins, and our audio engineer and associate producer is Molly Nugent. Odyssey's executive producer is Leah Rees Dennis.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz. Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.