Second Drink: The Secret

Summary

Office Ladies Podcast Episode Summary: "Second Drink: The Secret"

Release Date: March 10, 2025

In this episode of Office Ladies, co-hosts Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey dive deep into Season 2, Episode 13 of The Office, titled "The Secret." This episode offers an insightful analysis of the episode's plot, character dynamics, behind-the-scenes stories, and fan interactions, providing both longtime fans and newcomers with a comprehensive understanding of the show's nuances.

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Episode Overview

"The Secret" centers around Michael Scott discovering that he is the only person who knows about Jim Halpert's feelings for Pam Beesly. This revelation sets off a series of events where Michael becomes overly invested in maintaining the secret, leading to humorous and awkward situations, particularly when he insists that Jim must consider him his best friend.

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Detailed Breakdown

1. Key Plot Points

• Michael Discovers the Secret ([01:17] Jenna Fischer): Michael learns that Jim has feelings for Pam and overvalues the trust placed in him by being the sole confidant. This leads him to believe that Jim sees him as his best friend.

• Lunch at Hooters ([01:34] Angela Kinsey & [37:26] Jenna Fischer): To ensure the secret remains safe, Michael forces Jim to have lunch with him at Hooters. The hosts discuss the tension and humor arising from this forced interaction, highlighting Michael's desperate need for camaraderie.

• Spring Cleaning Day ([23:17] Angela Kinsey & [20:02] Angela Kinsey): The office's spring cleaning day serves as a backdrop for various subplots, including Dwight Schrute's investigation into Oscar Martinez's sudden flu-related absence, suspecting Oscar might be hiding something.

2. Character Dynamics

• Michael and Jim's Friendship ([03:10] Angela Kinsey & [27:05] Angela Kinsey): The hosts explore the complexities of Michael's friendship with Jim, emphasizing Michael's over-the-top attempts to bond and Jim's discomfort with the situation.

• Dwight's Investigation ([02:24] Jenna Fischer & [30:05] Angela Kinsey): Dwight's relentless pursuit to uncover whether Oscar is genuinely sick showcases his obsessive and quirky nature, adding tension and comedy to the episode.

• Pam's Wedding Plans ([26:34] Jenna Fischer & [49:22] Jenna Fischer): Pam is revealed to be planning her wedding, with Kelly Kapoor asking to be a bridesmaid. This subplot intertwines with the main narrative, creating additional layers of interpersonal dynamics.

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Behind the Scenes Stories

1. Gourmet Hot Dog Mystery ([01:40] Jenna Fischer & [02:12] Angela Kinsey):

The hosts discuss a fan inquiry about whether Hooters served gourmet hot dogs during the episode's timeframe. Through fan contributions and insights from Danny (whose wife worked at Hooters), they conclude that gourmet hot dogs were indeed available but removed from the menu around 2010.

2. Golden Globes Viewing Party ([09:12] Angela Kinsey & [11:02] Angela Kinsey):

Jenna and Angela share a hilarious behind-the-scenes account of celebrating Steve Carell's Golden Globe win. They describe tackling Steve and posing for group photos with the award, capturing the joyous and chaotic atmosphere among the cast.

3. Improvised Moments ([18:03] Angela Kinsey & [32:17] Jenna Fischer):

The hosts highlight several improvised scenes, including Michael's exaggerated reactions and the vending machine interactions, showcasing the spontaneous humor that enhances the episode's appeal.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• On Michael's Delight in the Secret ([01:34] Angela Kinsey): "Michael is so delighted to have this, like, bond with Jim over this secret."

• Helena N.'s Casual Friday Theory ([03:41] Jenna Fischer): "I think Casual Fridays were incentives that Michael often jeopardized, reflecting his mishaps with corporate policies."

• Updog Joke Struggles ([18:25] Angela Kinsey): "What's up dog? And Michael is so excited that he's part of this joke and that he gets it and he cannot wait to tell it over and over. And it never works."

• Steve Carell's Commitment ([35:43] Angela Kinsey): "He put his leg up on Jim's desk and leans forward, really committed to that bit."

• Creed's Favorite Line ([52:34] Angela Kinsey): "Which one is Pam?" — "That's his favorite joke he ever wrote on the show."

• Michael's Movie Reference ([64:10] Jenna Fischer): "I don't want to be Shyla."

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Fan Reactions and Questions

• Casual Fridays Continuity ([03:21] Angela Kinsey & [26:11] Jenna Fischer): Fans debated the inconsistency regarding Casual Fridays being active on a Friday when the office wasn't dressed casually, leading to theories about Michael's incompetence sabotaging office policies.

• Oscar's Sexuality ([57:33] Jenna Fischer): Questions arose about Oscar Martinez's sexuality, leading the hosts to share insights about the character development and Greg Daniels' decision to make Oscar gay, enhancing representation in the show.

• Jim and Pam's Timeline Confusion ([54:08] Jenna Fischer & [54:16] Angela Kinsey): Fans noticed a continuity error regarding who started working at Dunder Mifflin first, prompting the hosts to acknowledge the oversight humorously.

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Conclusion

"Second Drink: The Secret" offers an engaging and thorough examination of The Office episode "The Secret." Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey adeptly blend episode analysis with personal anecdotes and fan interactions, providing listeners with a rich and entertaining experience. Their insightful discussions shed light on character motivations, plot intricacies, and the behind-the-scenes efforts that make The Office a beloved classic. Whether you're revisiting the episode or exploring it for the first time, this summary captures the essence and humor that define both the show and the Office Ladies podcast.

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Final Thoughts

Jenna and Angela’s chemistry and deep understanding of The Office shine through in this episode, making "Second Drink: The Secret" a must-listen for fans seeking a deeper connection with the characters and stories they love. Their ability to dissect scenes, share laughs, and provide exclusive behind-the-scenes content ensures that each podcast episode is both informative and delightful.

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Thank you for tuning into Office Ladies: Second Drink: The Secret. Stay tuned for more episode breakdowns, behind-the-scenes stories, and engaging discussions in future episodes!

Transcript

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Hello, everyone, and welcome to your second drink of the secret. You might remember back in the booze Cruise episode, Michael finds out that Jim has feelings for Pam. And this is the episode where Jim is forced to go to lunch with Michael at Hooters to make sure that Michael keeps his secret.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael is so delighted to have this, like, bond with Jim over this secret.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, while they're at Hooters, he orders a gourmet hot dog. And the first time we broke down this episode, we wondered, does Hooters have gourmet hot dogs? I couldn't find them on the online website, but thanks to all of you, we may have solved the mystery. We got mail. Kenya H. Said, yes, they do. Or at least they did have them and they were delicious. And Liz C. Said, I had a hot dog at the Coral Gables Hooters in Miami. So there's two people who have had the Hooters hot dog.

[Angela Kinsey]

However, today Tatiane R. Said, I worked at Hooters in Las Vegas for several years and we never served gourmet hot dogs or ham and cheese sandwiches. Hmm. It's looking like this is going to be a Mom detectives moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, the mighty Danny may have solved the mystery. He said, my wife used to work at Hooters. She can confirm that they did indeed serve gourmet hot dogs. And ham and cheese sandwiches during that time period. They were taken off the menu around 2010.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you. The mighty Danny. Look at that. A Mom Detectives moment solved.

[Jenna Fischer]

Rare, but happens sometimes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Sometimes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we also talked a lot about Casual Fridays in this breakdown. Angela, you noted that this episode happens on a Friday, and yet we are not dressed casually. And a lot of people wrote in to say that later in a Michael Scott Paper Company episode, there is a reference to Casual Fridays being reinstated. So somewhere along the line, it's clear that they were canceled.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, and once we got to Michael Scott Paper Company, things were explained a little. But I still stand by my argument that the whole Casual Friday thing was a little loosey goosey.

[Jenna Fischer]

I agree. We also got this letter from Helena N. Who has this to say about Casual Fridays. Casual Fridays is a hot topic over in the office ladies mailbag. Let me tell you, Helena said. Hi, office ladies. So, after listening to the secret episode of your show three times, I have a theory about Casual Fridays.

[Angela Kinsey]

Helena, thank you for listening three times.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know in my mind Casual Fridays are a monthly thing, but are also an incentive for the office. Like as a reward for a good month's work. Oh, but because Michael is always getting in trouble with corporate or having his corporate card taken away, the whole office is constantly losing this reward. Do you like this explanation, Angela?

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. Actually, it makes sense to me that it would be an incentive. Like if you reach a certain goal, everyone is Casual Friday. That totally makes sense to me.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, and I love that she's imagined that Michael is constantly losing Casual Fridays.

[Angela Kinsey]

For us, for everyone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Although I don't think Angela Martin would.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mind, but I think that actually really would have been a funny runner.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I do too. Well, you know, lady, there was also a Michael talking head in the shooting draft where he shares a stat that he looked up about people missing work on Fridays. We didn't share it in our first breakdown. It's such a Michael classic, I thought I'd read it to you all. So they've just found out that Oscar is missing work because he's not feeling well. And it just happens to be a Friday. So Michael says sick on a Friday, starting the weekend early. Homie, don't play that. This is a huge problem in offices everywhere. I looked this up. Two out of every five sick days are taken on a Friday or a Monday. Think about that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I bet he's not wrong. I bet that's a real stat. Okay, everyone, that's all we got. Please enjoy your second drink of the secret. I'M Jenna Fisher.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Rewind podcast just for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Each week we will break down an episode of the Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office ladies. Hi, friend.

[Angela Kinsey]

Good morning, friend.

[Jenna Fischer]

Today we're talking about the secret.

[Angela Kinsey]

We kind of have a big day today, you guys. We have some fun stuff. We have family coming in town, both of us, so I think we're feeling all of that. But we're excited to talk to you about the secret.

[Jenna Fischer]

Season 2 Episode 13 written by Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky. Directed by Denny Gordon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's talk a second about Denny Gordon.

[Jenna Fischer]

Denny Gordon is my first fast fact. Let's do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

You hit me with a fast fact and then I'll add a little color to it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fast fact number one. Directed by Denny Gordon. Denny is a woman. D E N N I E Gordon. She would go on to direct Boys and Girls. She's also directed several episodes of John Krasinski's show, Jack Ryan for Amazon.

[Angela Kinsey]

She does a lot of dramas. Yeah, Denny was fantastic. She was just a wonderful, delightful person to be around. I have a great photo of all of us, all of us gals gathered around her. We were excited to have another female director. We gathered around her and we have a great picture with her. I often did this, though it wasn't gender specific. You guys, I have photos with us with all the directors.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. You take photos with the male directors as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I did not discriminate.

[Angela Kinsey]

I did not discriminate. I have a great picture of me with Harold Ramos. But Denny was just such a delight and I wanted a photo with her. We actually had only six female directors through the nine years of the office and they were Mindy Kaling, Jen Salata, Amy Heckerling, Claire Scanlon, Kelly Cantley, and Denny Gordon. So ladies out there directing, we love you. Keep doing it. Let's get some more ladies directing. That's my little speech there.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love it. Denny was and is a trailblazer in terms of female directors. She's been around a really long time. And when researching this episode, I ended up reading a bunch of articles and interviews with her about her experience, her journey. Yeah, I did too, and it was very inspiring. So, guys, Google her. D E N N I E. Gordon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Denny, if you hear this, we're sending you some love. All right, where are we At Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Fast fact number two, we've got a big guest star. We're gonna introduce a new recurring character, Tom Chick, who plays Gil.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oscars boyfriend.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oscar's love interest.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a secret. He appeared in four episodes as Oscar's boyfriend, Gil. He also had a recurring role as a reporter on the West Wing, so you might recognize him from that. But here's the crazy thing about him. His big passion in life is video gaming.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he is a very famous video gaming writer. He's written tons of articles, tons of blogs. He's like a video gaming critic.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is amazing. Fascinating. This is just proofs, guys. I always say this. You don't know me. You don't know someone. You have no idea how layered and complex people are. I had no idea.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow. That's cool.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, are we ready for fast fact number three?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Steve Carell was nominated for a Golden Globe for playing Michael Scott. This was his first nomination for playing Michael Scott the week we shot this episode. And then he won the Golden Globe the week this episode aired.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

This was a huge upset. Shocker win. First of all, the fact that he was nominated was insane because he was nominated for those six episodes from season one.

[Angela Kinsey]

You have to remember, we were barely on the air. We were gonna get canceled at any minute. And we didn't have a lot of clout around town. No, not at all. So this was like an upset. And we were thrilled it couldn't happen to a nicer person. Steve's acceptance speech is amazing. You can go on YouTube and type in Steve Carell's Golden Globes acceptance speech for 2006. And he gets up there and he's like, I didn't really know what to say. So my wife Nancy wrote my speech.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's one of the best speeches ever.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so great. And then the whole thank you is from Nancy's perspective.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it's really funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

Steve was invited to go to the actual ceremony, but the cast. We were invited to a viewing party that was held on a roof of a building.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's actually a parking garage.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it's like the roof of the parking garage, but they tint it. And we're basically across from the hotel.

[Jenna Fischer]

Where the globes are happening.

[Angela Kinsey]

Where the globes are happening. We're sort of like if you self parked to stay at this hotel.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

We were in the self park garage building. We are now the only actors on top of a parking garage in a fancy tent with. With a bunch of people that look like bankers who are very quiet as they watch the show. We are now the rowdy crowd in the corner.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And Steve's category comes on. They announce him. You know, when they announce his nomination, we're like, woo. Yeah, Steve.

[Angela Kinsey]

Go, Steve. Go, Steve. That already raised eyebrows. We were already like, woo hoo, Steve. People are already like, what are they doing?

[Jenna Fischer]

So then, y'all, he won.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, can we reenact what you and I did when they said. And the winner is. Steve Carell. Ready? And the winner is Steve Carell tackle. People hug. People tackle.

[Jenna Fischer]

Have you seen, like, when a team wins the World Series?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a bad news moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

And they haven't won in, like, 50 years. That is what the cast of the Office looked like. We were tackling one another in our fancy dresses. In our fancy dresses, running around whooping it up. I mean, we were insane. Now we have to wait for the whole rest of the show to be over. And finally.

[Angela Kinsey]

But we're in.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're partying it up. I mean, we're having a blast. We're waiting for Steve to come to the party.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. So here's the thing. When the show ends, everyone, I guess that's inside where it's being filmed, they file out and they actually come into the tent where we are.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I don't even think we knew that. We were like, oh, my God. And Steve walked in holding his award.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we tackled him. And then we started posing for group photos with the Golden Globe. And Steve, the looks on our faces, we look maniacal. My favorite photo. My favorite photo is the photo.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know what you're gonna say.

[Jenna Fischer]

Where Angela has gotten her hands on the Golden Globe.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, first of all, wait a second. We were all. Steve was letting us all hold it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I guess, was it People magazine? They were taking pictures.

[Jenna Fischer]

There was this little photo booth that you could get into for People magazine. And we shove the entire cast of the Office into this photo booth. Angela's got the Golden Glob and she holds it above her head and goes, woo hoo.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, I like. I go, woo hoo.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right at the moment that they snap the picture. And when the picture came back, she is hitting Phyllis in the face with the Golden Globe.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hit Phyllis in the chin with the Golden Globe. And the photo actually shows her face contorted like, oh, it was so funny. It's so funny. We have to post it.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have to post that picture.

[Angela Kinsey]

Guys, I'm so sorry I hit you with Steve's Golden Globe. Oh, my God. I blame Brian Baumgartner. And the just pure happiness for Steve.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's something really special too. Do you remember when we went back to work the next day at lunch, the catering department served lobster and steak for lunch. Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was surf and turf to celebrate.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was so decadent, and it was really sweet.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I remember that. And being like, do we have the budget for this?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Like, can we not do this because we're eating this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Thanks for taking the detour down the Golden Globes journal entries.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. That was fun for us. We hope that was fun for you. I'm gonna hit you up with a summary, and then we'll take a break.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

So in the booze cruise episode, Jim told Michael about his crush on Pam. In this episode, Michael finds out he is the only person who knows the secret, and he is delighted in the status that it gives him. So he decides Jim must be his very best friend, that Jim must consider him his best friend since he told him this secret. And he struggles the entire episode to keep the secret to himself. Also in this episode, it is spring cleaning day at the office. Oscar says he can't come to work because of the flu, which causes Dwight to start an investigation into whether or not he's really sick. Sick. There it is.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a good one.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, I think you have a little bit of updog on your cards.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

You have some up dog on your cards.

[Angela Kinsey]

What's up dog?

[Jenna Fischer]

Not much. What's up with you? The cold open of this episode. What's up dog?

[Angela Kinsey]

What's up dog? And Michael is so excited that he's part of this joke and that he gets it and he cannot wait to tell it over and over. And it never works.

[Jenna Fischer]

He never gets anyone to ask until the end when Dwight finally says what's up dawg? And he forgets the punchline.

[Angela Kinsey]

He forgets the punchline. And also I thought it's just one of those moments where Rain is so cute as Dwight, where he's sincerely like, oh, thanks for asking. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, thank you so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Michael's like, ugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I reached out to Lee Eisenberg, one of the writers of this episode, and he said that this updog joke idea happened because this actually happened to those guys. Oh, yes. They were on the receiving end of an updog joke that wasn't landing. And they always. That's what writers do. They observe things from their life, and they pin it, and they're like, I'm gonna put this somewhere one day. And it went here. He also reminded me that there was an alternate cold open for this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

What was it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael comes into work, and he has purchased a new executive golf set.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he goes into his office with Dwight, and they're trying to use this little putter. And in the process, his World's best boss mug breaks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And he has a replacement one right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Away in his desk. And you can see this in the deleted scenes. And I watched it. But what's fun is later in this episode, you're gonna see evidence of this golf set cold open that we replaced with the updog. I'll keep you waiting. I have time codes and everything I was gonna say.

[Angela Kinsey]

I bet somebody's gonna be tracking the golf stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna track it. All right. So after the cold open, the episode begins. It's spring cleaning in January.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is. I have a little story about what happens over in the accounting department. Do you want to hear it?

[Jenna Fischer]

I do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. So at 1 minute, 56 seconds, you see Kevin. He's tossing things into the trash, but just, like, really kind of haphazardly. My character's annoyed, you know, like, that he's throwing things away he shouldn't be throwing away. Well, there is a scene that didn't make it. It's an improv scene. It's in the bloopers, though. If you go on youtub YouTube and look at season two bloopers, this is where you can find this scene. Kevin then starts digging in the trash because he realized he's thrown away things he probably shouldn't have, and he improvises. I need to go through this again. And then I improvise. But, you guys, I sound so southern when you watch it. This is what I improvise. I do not believe you are engaged. I do not believe it.

[Jenna Fischer]

That is a great improv.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's what I improv.

[Jenna Fischer]

I wish that made it in. What a good dig on Kevin.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, right? Anyway, it's a really Fun little blooper moment. And you can find those on YouTube. Also, Kelly is cleaning out magazines. We have half up, half down Jenna. But barely, barely any up. It's like only her little front wispies.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know if it's too soon, but I kind of want to declare that we've hit full Mindy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Full Mindy in personality. She still has a little front part up, but still. This is now Mindy.

[Jenna Fischer]

But this updo, this half up, half down do is completely different. It's not fussy. It's super stylish. Her clothes, I feel like, have really changed in this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Her personality.

[Jenna Fischer]

Her personality's 100% full Mindy. I want to declare that it's full Mindy, that the secret is full Mindy. I'm scared to do it because I feel like there's more to come.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think there's more to come, but I'm willing to say we're pretty much there.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're 90% full Mindy.

[Angela Kinsey]

We're 90%.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll declare that we're 90%. 90% full Mindy. The secret Lee told me also, just fun fact. Not a fast fact, a fun fact. This is super fun that. Lee's friend, who works in San Francisco, told him about having to do spring cleaning in his office. And they put this storyline in at the very last minute. They did not have a lot of turnaround on this episode. Once again, remember last time they told us that they barely got any kind of outline and they had to write their episode. And this time there was this super big rush on the episode. They only had, like, three to four days to write it. Usually you get a couple of weeks. They had to turn it around really quickly, and they needed some storyline for the whole office. They knew the secret storyline between Michael and Jim, and they knew the storyline about Oscar and the investigation about whether or not he was really sick, but they needed something for the rest of us to be doing. So he called Mike Scher and he pitched this idea. My friend told me that he had to do spring cleaning at their office. I think I could make it really funny. And he wrote me and he said that Mike Schur's response was, quote, if you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to.

[Angela Kinsey]

If you need it, do it at 2 minutes, 7 seconds. Jenna, you must have been so tickled. This is like your favorite thing, where Michael's talking and then we reveal two other people.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not only are you getting a Dwight reveal, but then you get Ryan on the Floor.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he said. Michael says, a cluttered desk is a cluttered mind. You guys, my mom, Birdie Kinsey, would say this to me every week. She would say, angela, a cluttered room is a cluttered mind. Because my room would get messy. And when Michael said that, I was like, oh, my God, it's my mom. It's my mom.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, you mentioned the reveal of Ryan sitting on the floor. There is a deleted scene that explains why he's sitting on the floor. And it is. He has two boxes, and one says keep, and one says, trash. And he is sitting on Michael's floor going through all of Michael's things while Michael reads a newspaper.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Not cleaning at all. And he's like, this people magazine from 1994. And Michael's like, keep. Keep it. He's like, okay. He's like, I might do the crossword.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he's like, it's from 1994. Michael's like, I know. Keep.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's nothing in the trash box. It's amazing. It's a fun little. Fun little nugget. All right, I need to talk about 2 minutes, 34 seconds. The very, very long stare between Dwight and Angela. Yeah, Dwangela?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have a fan question.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

From wherearetheturtles?

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

The long stare with Dwight and Angela is so brilliant, as are future stares. Is it hard to not crack up while filming those? Angela? Tell us all about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, it's hard not to crack up. I'm sure there's tons of footage of me getting tickled. And also, it was so fun. It is so fun. One thing I think we do in society is, like, we know not to stare. We grow up, right? And our parents are like, don't stare. Don't stare. And so all of a sudden, you're given permission to just stare at someone and draw it out as long as possible. There were times when I thought the director was gonna yell, cut. Cause I'm like, surely they're done. Stare at each other. And they're like, no, keep a going. It was really fun. But, yeah, very hard to keep a straight face. And of course, having, like, Kevin there watching us, like, what are you doing?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, some context, too, to the scene is that he comes up and says that Oscar is out sick, and says something like, that's unacceptable. And you say, I agree, it's unacceptable. And there is, like, some charged. Like, you both are very aroused by your agreement that this is unacceptable.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no. I put. We get really turned on by unacceptable behavior.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly, Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Jenna, I have Something to point out, my lady friend.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

At 2 minutes, 50 seconds, when Dwight says Oscar is out sick, Michael says, and on a Friday, it's Friday again. A Friday.

[Jenna Fischer]

And no one is dressed casually.

[Angela Kinsey]

Uh huh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you for catching that. Yeah, well, I don't even know what to do with that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't even know what to say about it. I don't know what to say about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Four minutes, nine seconds, Pam and Kelly. Pam is planning her wedding. Kelly asks to be a bridesmaid.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is hilarious. I love that so much. Like, who has the audacity, like not even a really good friend to be like, oh my God, can I be in your wedding?

[Jenna Fischer]

And she's like, you don't have to answer now. There's also so much going on in the scene because Pam takes her hair down and she floofs it out. And you can see Jim in the background over Kelly's shoulder.

[Angela Kinsey]

Poor Jim is what I wrote.

[Jenna Fischer]

Poor Jim, poor Jim. And then, you know, Michael comes out of his office and has to make a comment. This was a tricky one to film. And I always want to point these scenes out because I just think they're really great examples of the choreography of our director, our camera operators. It's really something special to capture this stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Michael says you should leave your hair down more because it's sexier. And then he walks past Jim and he goes, oh, this must be so hard on you. Yeah, way to make it all worse, Michael.

[Jenna Fischer]

Then we move on to a spy shot conversation between Jim and Michael in Michael's office. This is when Michael finds out that he is the only person who knows about Jim's feelings for Pam. And I want you to notice at 4 minutes, 57 seconds, Michael is playing with a golf ball.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yes he is.

[Jenna Fischer]

And that is because of that cold open that we cut out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. And he had all the golf stuff in his office. Yeah, right. Well, Michael says something in this scene that I thought was so great. It's his talking head and Steve is so brilliant in it. He just talks about how special it is, you know, obviously that Jim shared with him and what good friends they are, blah, blah, blah. But his last sentence just made me laugh. He goes, and it is why I intend on keeping that secret for as long as I possibly can. He totally owns that. He sucks at keeping a secret. Yeah, you guys, my dad was someone who absolutely could not hold on to information. Now he was a wonderful friend and father and confidant, all of those things. But if there was like some Great information. There was no way he could not, like, tell you, or it just. It would be all over his face. He had no poker face. When Steve said that, I just sort of chuckled and thought of my dad and how hard it was for him to, like, keep any news from us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Are you good with secrets, or are you more like your dad?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think I'm good. I think I'm good. I don't know, Jenna. You've known me a long time.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think you're good. Yeah, we had a fan question. Actually, it was Shanice who asked, are you too good at keeping secrets? Do you have that one person that you just have to share it with because you trust them and that's okay?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, anyone who tells me anything should know that. I'm going to tell Jenna. I am. Unless you, like, if you're like, hey, you can't say this to anyone. Yeah, okay. And then I'm going to tell my husband. I tell my husband everything. Like, you have to really say, all right, you can't. And then I probably will at some point tell you or my husband.

[Jenna Fischer]

So even I may tell you not to.

[Angela Kinsey]

I might sit on it for a bit, but eventually, I mean, I honestly, I'm sitting here, like, thinking, like, I don't know, Jenna. I pretty much have to download everything to you. It's, like, kind of how I process information. I receive information. I know how I feel about it. But then, like, it either becomes more real or more clear to me once I share it with you or Josh.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel the same way. You and Lee are the two people that I tell everything to. So if someone tells me something in confidence, I assume they know that they are telling me. Angela and Lee simultaneously.

[Angela Kinsey]

My best friend and my husband.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right. However, I will say there are things that you have told me, Angela, that I have not shared with Lee, and there are things that Lee has told me that I've not shared with you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Same, same.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Those two people are like. They get special treatment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's right. All the rest of y'all just know I'm blabbing to Lee and Angela if you told me. Yeah, Unless you specifically tell me not to. And then, similar to you, Angela, I will sit on it for a bit and then tell them anyway.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. At 5 minutes, 43 seconds, Dwight goes up to Ryan and he wants, you know, Ryan basically to take over the spring cleaning stuff. Cause he's got this investigation to conduct. Now. I did a ton of scenes with Rainn Wilson and Rainn loves a prop. And once he gets a prop, he's very attached to a prop. So he did this thing in this scene that made me laugh so hard. He walks up to Ryan. He has his little notepad he's writing in. And as he walks up to Ryan, he takes it out of his jacket pocket and he flashes it at Ryan as if it's like a badge. You have to wash it. It's this very subtle move.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's just a notepad. It looks like one of those notepads that you win for 200 tickets at Chuck E. Cheese.

[Angela Kinsey]

Exactly, exactly. So he's like, I'm conducting a little investigation. He flashes the notepad like that is going to be like, oh, okay, this is legit.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

To Ryan. And Ryan, of course, is just like.

[Jenna Fischer]

So then we move to the vending machines. Michael is trying to talk to Jim more about his love of Pam at the vending machines. And Stanley enters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Stanley is taking forever to pick a beverage. He is just forever.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he's in the way. And Michael is trying so much to capitalize on this bonding time with Jim. Yeah, he's like, we're best friends. We share secrets. I want. I just want to spend now as much time as possible with him.

[Jenna Fischer]

I want to chat about his love. I just want him.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want him to know I'm a great friend.

[Jenna Fischer]

At the end of that scene, Michael, like, just picks an item for Stanley, and it's peach iced tea. And then Steve says, you're gonna hate it. That was improvised. And that was a moment that a lot of people wrote in about. When I asked, what do you want us to talk about? For this moment was the peach iced tea. You're gonna hate it. And it was an improvised moment. It was so great. And also in that scene, John could not stop laughing. He could not stop laughing this whole episode. He had to spend a lot of time with Steve doing scenes, and John really loses it. So this was one of those scenes.

[Angela Kinsey]

John, when he loses it, his whole body collapses. Yeah, he just becomes a noodle. At 6 minutes, 58 seconds. My background observers out there, I need your help. Dwight is calling Oscar again. Poor Oscar. Dwight's just, like, calling him like crazy. But as he's sitting on his desk, he's on the phone behind him. Okay, so the hand that's holding the phone. Look at the hand holding the phone. Look behind his hand. It's like a file cabinet next to Phyllis's desk. There is a hairy object. It's a black hairy object. What is it? Look. Wait, Sam, can you pull up 6 minutes, 58 seconds. I kind of need Jenna to see it. There it is. You got it. Look at it.

[Jenna Fischer]

What? I see nothing. What are you talking about? Oh, what is that?

[Angela Kinsey]

What is that?

[Jenna Fischer]

It looks like a wig on a wig stand.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. On the file cabinet next to Face.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna get up, and I'm gonna physically look closer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, We've looked at it in Genesis.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know what it is. And look at what Cody is holding in the booth. Look through the window. Do you see Cody? Cody's our producer.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. What is that thing?

[Jenna Fischer]

A feather duster.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stop it. Are you sure?

[Jenna Fischer]

Feather duster?

[Angela Kinsey]

Really?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I think Phyllis has a feather duster as part of her spring cleaning, and I think that's what it is.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's a good call. And also, Cody, where the heck.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, Cody, where did you get a feather duster just now?

[Angela Kinsey]

You're like, oh, wait a second. It's like. It's like your carrot Top and you have a truck full of random props.

[Jenna Fischer]

Guys, Cody is a little bit like me. I think she's very organized and structured, and I believe she might walk around with a feather duster.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, we've never seen it before. Where is she keeping it? Oh, my God. All right, sorry. Sorry to take us down that road, but that was making me crazy last night. At 7 minutes, 34 seconds again, Michael, desperate to connect more with Jim. He's so excited about having a friend.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's following him around like a little puppy.

[Angela Kinsey]

He is. And he walks up to him and he goes, it's grape soda. Because he got a grape soda too. Because Jim got a grape soda.

[Jenna Fischer]

So adorable. In this section, Dwight approaches and asks what's going on? And then Jim keeps putting post it notes on Dwight and fan question from Tabitha. Was the post it notes on Dwight improvised? I believe it was. I think that was John.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so perfect, though. It is so perfectly their relationship. And then rain, you know, as Dwight would, like, try to stick it back on him. Yeah, it was just perfect.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. At 8 minutes, 46 seconds, Steve puts his leg up on Jim's desk.

[Angela Kinsey]

He puts his foot on top of his desk and leans forward.

[Jenna Fischer]

Like, leans. Really? Really.

[Angela Kinsey]

His crotch into Jim's face.

[Jenna Fischer]

And John lost it. I was there that day filming. John could not stop laughing. Very similar to diversity day. Angela, when you and I were in the conference room and Steve straddled the.

[Angela Kinsey]

And lean forward to us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, really. And part of it, too, was that that desk is really High. And it was not super easy for Steve to put his leg up there.

[Angela Kinsey]

And his dress pants.

[Jenna Fischer]

But he was super committed to the bit. It was something he just came up with, and it made John laugh. So then he kept doing it, but I think it was, like, that was not easy.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, the desk is really hard.

[Jenna Fischer]

You have to be very flexible to pull that off. So. So kudos to you, Steve, for being so committed to that bit.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I wrote about this as well, and I said that you guys, Steve always found ways as Michael to put his feet up on things or just really sort of push a physical comfort zone that you have with another person. Yeah, he always thought that was, like, sort of, as Michael, a really funny gimmick. And it got us every time. I just think at 8 minutes, 55 seconds, it's just kind of funny to me that Kevin is just walking over to front reception and just setting boxes down in front of Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Thanks. What am I doing with those?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess that's my problem now.

[Angela Kinsey]

What's Kevin doing?

[Jenna Fischer]

So next, guys, Michael decides to take Jim out to lunch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jim is just trying to get him out of the office so he doesn't spill the beans in front of Pam. So I don't think Jim would ever want to go out to lunch with Michael, especially to where he takes them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hooters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hooters.

[Jenna Fischer]

They go to Hooters. I have so many feelings about it, Angela.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know you do, honey.

[Jenna Fischer]

When I was watching it. Guys, I'm not gonna lie to you. Not a fan of the restaurants of this nature.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I. Did you read their origin story? It was like when five. I'm paraphrasing, guys, don't worry. I did.

[Jenna Fischer]

I went to the Hooters website. I had to spend a lot of time on the Hooters website. Yeah, more time than I wish I did.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, it's something like winnow. A group of five guys who kept getting kicked out of places decided to. They wanted, you know, pretty girls and hot wings. So anyway, listen, for y'all folks out there that enjoy Hooters, that. That's. That.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's for you. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Anyway, we did have a fan question from Rob M. Did you shoot in a real Hooters and were they real Hooters waitresses? Yes, we filmed in a real Hooters. And yes, they were real Hooters waitresses. Except for the main waitress, Dana, that she was played by an actress.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. Dana is played by Lindsey Stoddard. Who is a really funny actress, writer, improviser. I knew her back in my IO days. Improv Olympic days. And this Hooters in particular was in Burbank that they filmed in. It is now closed. It's out of business, so you can't.

[Jenna Fischer]

Go there not shedding tears.

[Angela Kinsey]

And of course, Michael had to say, chicken breasts. Hold the chicken.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a classic moment.

[Jenna Fischer]

But I love Dana's response, which is, is that really what you want? And he's like, no gourmet hot dog. But let me say something. Jim orders a ham and cheese. Michael orders a gourmet hot dog. I could not find either of these items on the online hooters menu. I couldn't. I don't know, guys. Anyone who's gone to Hooters, do they serve ham and cheese and. Or a gourmet hot dog? I would actually love to know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do you know what I noticed? I noticed the girls look like they have to wear pantyhose under their shorts.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, they do. And I. I did a deep dive on hooters. They do.

[Angela Kinsey]

They do wear pantyhose.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pantyhose.

[Angela Kinsey]

That would. Listen, I would be for.

[Jenna Fischer]

I would. I like that. I like it that it's not their bare leg. So I do appreciate that. There's that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just don't like pantyhose, so.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we know, Angela. We know, guys. If not, I might have worked at a hooters. But you love pantyhose thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm fine.

[Jenna Fischer]

She was like, no, fine with the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Tank top, but you lost me at.

[Jenna Fischer]

The pantyhose fan comment from Rick Wilson. He pointed out that there is no hooters in Scranton.

[Angela Kinsey]

There are not any hooters in Scranton.

[Jenna Fischer]

I googled it. It's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

I googled it as well. There are two hooters in Pennsylvania, one in Concordville, and one in King of Prussia.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay?

[Angela Kinsey]

So that's where you can go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Question from Ryan Ritter. Is it true that the hooters girls singing the happy birthday song was an added bit? No, this was scripted.

[Angela Kinsey]

You put your front side.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, here's the thing. This seems like an old birthday tradition at Hooters. At Hooters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it didn't. They don't say, put your front sight in. The real song is put your hooters in. Put your hooters out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then they put. And then they shake them all about. They get in a circle around the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Birthday boy and shake their ta tas at them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right? And then they put their backside in. Put Their backside out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, is that their butt?

[Jenna Fischer]

Is shake that all about?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's their butt.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right, Angela. Yes, that's their butt.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, so. So it's sort of like an inappropriate hokey pokey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Correct.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

But that seems to be the old birthday policy. Although I did find a video from as recent as 2015 where they were still doing this down in Georgia. But the main birthday song is where now they dress you up like an owl.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

They give you a beak and they give you some menus, and you have to flap your wings. And then all the Hooters girls like saying that it's your birthday. It's your birthday today. Birthday. Sort of like that. I have one fan question that I forgot to cover from Ben Shone. Does John actually like ham and cheese sandwiches? Guys, I texted John.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, look, random text. By the way, you're on a real roll. You texted Steve about what? Was it something so random if he.

[Jenna Fischer]

Had a fake foot in the injury.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And now you're like, john, do you really like ham and cheese? We're going to start alienating people.

[Jenna Fischer]

John wrote me back and said he does, especially when the bread is toasted. Okay, there you go.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go. I have something. At 10 minutes, 14 seconds, it is rain as Dwight eating only the black jelly beans.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Or like the purple ones. I mean, was that in the script? It seems like something rain would do because he likes to kind of be gross.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was in the script, and he had to chew a bunch of them before we started and kind of stick the half bits up into his teeth. We had a fan question from Janelle. Does rain actually like black jelly beans?

[Angela Kinsey]

Tell me you didn't text him. I texted, oh, no. Oh, my God.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he does.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well, that's a relief. That's a relief. I have a question for you. In this scene, I guess Dwight tells you there's three ways to sniffle. Cause he's trying to figure out if Oscar is lying, Right? Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I said he sounded like he was telling the truth. I mean, he was sniffling when he called.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then he's like, what type of sniffle? And you're like, are there types? And he's like, there are three types of sniffles. And then Pam says, it was the second one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Dwight's like, okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's like, was that so hard?

[Angela Kinsey]

But also he does. You say it was the second one as if he has told you what the three of them are.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think that's amazing writing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing writing.

[Angela Kinsey]

All Right. Should we go to break?

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And on break. You guys, I was talking a little bit of Game of Thrones with Sam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Because Angela loves to just alienate and torture me.

[Angela Kinsey]

No. And I mentioned Khaleesi. Tell them what you said.

[Jenna Fischer]

I said Khaleesi. Isn't that a virus? Khaleesi virus? No, it is a virus. I'm telling you. It's a virus that cats get.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is.

[Jenna Fischer]

First of all, 100% is. It's called Khaleesi virus. And it's like just. I'm looking it up. Hold up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Khaleesi is Queen Daenerys Targaryen, okay? She's the lady of Dragstone, the Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the unburt.

[Jenna Fischer]

What? You're saying nonsense to me. Feline calicivirus.

[Angela Kinsey]

How do you spell it?

[Jenna Fischer]

C A, L, I, C I virus. Calicivirus is a virus of the family Calici Virida that causes diseases in cats. It's a respiratory infection. Well, this Khaleesi is a respiratory infection in cats.

[Angela Kinsey]

This Khaleesi was married to Khal Drogo, and it's spelled K H A L E E, S I. She's the Mother of Dragons. She is not a cat virus to me. Stop. Don't.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cat.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stop it. She's not a cat virus.

[Jenna Fischer]

How dare you tell my cat that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stop it.

[Jenna Fischer]

He had it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Gross.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, we're back to the episode, everybody.

[Angela Kinsey]

11 minutes, 54 seconds. Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Ryan's talking head about how he could basically disappear from Dunder Mifflin in five seconds.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Have you had a job like that?

[Jenna Fischer]

Every job I had before I became a working actor was that job.

[Angela Kinsey]

I had a temp job at Disney and I had a cubicle I never even personalized in any way. You wouldn't even know I had been there. Oh, man.

[Jenna Fischer]

I engaged very little in my day jobs when I was a struggling actor.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did you not talk to people?

[Jenna Fischer]

I talked to people a little bit, but I didn't really make friends, if I'm being honest. I did not want to put down any roots. I was. I was Ryan.

[Angela Kinsey]

I get it. I get it.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. At 13 minutes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, what? You're jumping ahead. And one of my favorite moments of the whole episode is what? 12 minutes, 16 seconds. One of my favorite moments of this whole entire episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael tries to make his hair look like Jim's.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's amazing. It's absolutely incredible. And then he walks around like that for the rest of the episode. It's how he wears his hair sometimes. Yeah, guys, I do this sometimes. What's the big. What?

[Angela Kinsey]

What's the big deal? At 12 minutes, 27 seconds, I have a scene with Michael.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think my character always kept him accountable.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he probably didn't like it.

[Jenna Fischer]

So he's trying to expense his Hooters lunch.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And I'm like, this is from Hooters. And I'm like, did Toby approve it? And he's like, I don't have to run everything by Toby. You know, he gets really annoyed.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

The immediate next scene, us standing in front of Toby. I'll tell you a scene I would have loved to. To. To witness. I would have loved to seen Angela been like, oh, really? And march her butt across the office. And Michael like. Like, running after her like, angela, you don't have to show Toby Angela. And I'm like, I am showing Toby. Toby will see this receipt.

[Jenna Fischer]

And in that scene, it is revealed that his credit card was recently taken away because he made a big purchase at a magic store.

[Angela Kinsey]

He spent $80 at a magic store and his corporate card.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he says he almost closed a sale by doing one of those tricks. At 12 minutes, 38 seconds. When Michael is explaining this in the talking head, if you look at his thumb, he's wearing a fake magic thumb.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, it's a good catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is a delicious detail.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is a great catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is in the scene at Toby's desk where Michael spills the beans about Jim's secret. He says, I'm sorry I had to take him in lunch because Jim is in love with a girl he works with who's engaged. And Kelly overhears and says, you mean Pam? And Angela overhears? And the secret is out.

[Angela Kinsey]

The secret is out. And when Michael realizes the secret is out, Steve's looked to camera. He's, like, dead inside. He's like, oh, no. I've done it. And this scene was really hard to get through, you guys. We kept cracking up when we realize that it's Pam and Michael leaves. The camera pans over to Kelly and my character, and I'm sort of like, biting my lip.

[Jenna Fischer]

You have a little smirky smirk.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have a smirk for information. I also was trying not to laugh. Yeah, it's like all of those things.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, the next scene is you and Phyllis cleaning out the fridge. And in this scene, Angela, when given the choice between Jim and Roy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, first of all, I love that. I'm like, it's no one's business, Phyllis. Right? I first, I like, admonish her, like, phyllis, stay out of it. Oh, gosh, Phyllis, be a better person. And then when my back is to her, I'm like, roy, Roy.

[Jenna Fischer]

And again, it's like that same, like, weird arousal that we saw in the stare with Dwight. You like an alpha male. Angela Martin likes an alpha.

[Angela Kinsey]

Angela Martin liked a big guy that would throw his weight around.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right. So this leads to 13 minutes, 37 seconds. This is John Krasinski's favorite line of the entire series. He lost it when he saw it. When Creed says, which one is Pam?

[Angela Kinsey]

John loved Creed. The character Creed, he loves Creed in real life. But the character Creed would make Jon disintegrate.

[Jenna Fischer]

I traded messages with Lee Eisenberg. I said earlier, Lee wrote that line, which one is Pam? And he said it is his favorite joke he ever wrote on the show and the one he is most proud of.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think that is great.

[Jenna Fischer]

So give him all the credit for that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Way to go, Leigh.

[Jenna Fischer]

At 13 minutes, 54 seconds, we have a talking head inside of Dwight's car outside of Oscar's house. Did you notice the snow on the ground?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I did. I did. And I noticed the camera couldn't pan too far past the sidewalk of that house. Cause then it was just solid green grass.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right. But come on. Great production design, guys. So next we have Jim's talking head where he explains he, quote, used to have a crush on Pam. So fan question from Monica Dadashi in this episode when Jim says he had a crush on Pam when she first started working at Dunder Mifflin. Later in launch party, Jim says that when he started working there, Pam said to enjoy this moment because he could never go back to the time before he met Dwight. So which one is it? Who started working there first, Jim or Pam? Latimania. And Joel Huber had a very long Twitter exchange about this continuity error. A lot of People wrote in about it. This is a thing. Sometimes we have things. Right. The thing is, who started working there first? Bless you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sorry.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's why you wheeled away from the microphone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did I get far enough away from it?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. Did you get far enough away? You'd have to leave the room to be far enough away from it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I leaned back and I put. I did, like, the sneaky armpit thing.

[Jenna Fischer]

If you move away from it, it doesn't make the sound cease to exist. It just makes it not, like, blow out your eardrums.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, fine. Did I not blow out your eardrum?

[Jenna Fischer]

You didn't blow out my eardrums.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

You succeeded there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Continue about this heated Twitter conversation.

[Jenna Fischer]

I will. The answer is, I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, boy. My sneeze interrupted this thing. I was feeling really bad, and then it's like.

[Jenna Fischer]

I checked the Bible and everything. This is just a continuity error. That's it. There's. I don't know who started there first. In one episode, we say one thing. In another episode, we say another. The end.

[Angela Kinsey]

The end.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's it. Sorry.

[Angela Kinsey]

The senator had a son we sent away and never saw again.

[Jenna Fischer]

It happens.

[Angela Kinsey]

It happens. Let's talk a little bit. At 16 minutes, 45 seconds, okay, Dwight busts Oscar and a male friend. Gil. Yes. They have shopping bags. They have ice skates.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oscar is so not sick.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's not sick. And he's like, are you gonna tell Michael? And Dwight at 17 minutes, 34 seconds is like, no, I won't tell Michael in exchange for a favor from you that I will ask for at some point in the future. Right. He makes this big speech. Jenna. This made me think of a TV show that my dad watched, and I watched it a few times with him called Stingray. It was in the 80s, and Ray would show up to help someone, and he would say, I will help you in exchange for a favor that I will ask of you sometime in the future. Do you think our writers had someone who watched stingray? I'm 100 years old. None of you guys know what I'm talking about.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know where to start.

[Angela Kinsey]

You have nothing. I'm just telling you.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have so many thoughts I have.

[Angela Kinsey]

Telling you where to start.

[Jenna Fischer]

First of all, I'm astonished and delighted by the description of that show, because it seems like Rhae is gonna sting you, but then help you, but then call in a favor.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I think he drive. He drives a Stingray.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, and his name is Ray.

[Angela Kinsey]

His name is Ray. He drives a Stingray he drives a Stingray. There he is. Sam's pulling him up.

[Jenna Fischer]

Here's the description. An adventurer travels and helps people in trouble in exchange for future favors. Just like you said, it was a television series.

[Angela Kinsey]

He. He drove a 1965 Corvette Stingray.

[Jenna Fischer]

Uh huh. Was his name Rhae or did you add that?

[Angela Kinsey]

No, his name is Rhae. I did not.

[Jenna Fischer]

His name is Rey.

[Angela Kinsey]

The character's name, Ray. And look, it says Rhae. A man of mystery gets people out of trouble asking for favors in return. Anyway, it might not be you guys, but it definitely made me think of that. So, you know, if you have Nickelodeon and there's Nick at night, check out Stingray. Check out Stingray.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, in this scene, it is also revealed not only that Oscar is not, but that he is gay. That Gil is his male companion, which Dwight completely misses.

[Angela Kinsey]

Completely misses.

[Jenna Fischer]

He doesn't see it. They cut to the scene of them all watching a movie together, which a lot of fans asked. Is this the favor that.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, Dwight.

[Jenna Fischer]

You think Dwight's gonna call back a totally different favor?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think Oscar is so relieved when he realizes that Dwight has no idea what he's stumbled across, that he's like, do you want to hang out? You know, stay, hang out with us? He just, he wants to make it a positive, like, okay, bye, Dwight. Take care.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we see in the background while they're watching television that Oscar reaches out and touches Gil's hand and the camera catches it. So now the audience knows that Oscar is gay, but no one in the office does, including Dwight. We had a lot of fan questions about this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I reached out to Oscar and I asked him, when did you find out that your character was going to be gay? And he said he had heard like some rumblings from some of the writers, but he wasn't really sure. And then Greg Daniels approached him and said, hey, Oscar, we're thinking about making your character gay. What do you think? And that Oscar said, sounds great, I love it. And then Greg said, oh, good, because it's in the script. So there you go. Back to the episode. Jim is in Michael's office and Michael is so gutted over revealing the secret. Now John's performance in the scene, he is so silent and he's just. It's this mixture of compassion and disappointment, embarrassment. He's taking it all in. But the truth is, John could not stop laughing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Again, I want you to be in a small, confined space with Steve Carell when he does two things. When he fake laughs or fake cries.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because when he fake cries and he's like. He's. It is impossible not to laugh.

[Jenna Fischer]

John could not handle it. He could not handle it. And then did you notice when Jim comes over and then Michael kind of, like, hugs his crotch?

[Angela Kinsey]

I wrote awkward crotch hug.

[Jenna Fischer]

Awkward crotch hug. Should we start tracking those?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, so then we have the scene in the kitchen, right. Where Jim has to confront Pam because it's going around.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, he wants her to hear it from him and not someone else.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So Jim tells Pam, hey, you're probably gonna hear this thing that I told Michael or whatever, but just, I want you to know that was from a long time ago. That was when you first started.

[Angela Kinsey]

Three years ago.

[Jenna Fischer]

Three years ago, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because at first, Pam is so happy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. She's like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. This is the conversation I wanted to have on top of Boo's cruise.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. And then when he is just so adamant that, well, I don't feel that way anymore, then she said, well, when.

[Jenna Fischer]

I leave the kitchen, most of the time they kept the shot going all the way to me getting to my desk. The door would close, and then they would do a spy shot of me sitting down at my desk. You would see me crying. They didn't keep it in, but I would leave and I would cry, and I. There are times when you're playing a character where you can't help but feel their feelings. And I have to say, I really felt Pam's heartbreak. I really did. When we were performing this scene, it's not just that she wants Jim to admit feelings. It's that she wants him to save her. You know, she doesn't have the courage right now to save herself. And she's gonna get there. And I'm glad that that's how the show is written. I'm glad that ultimately Pam saves herself. But there's all of this in her, in this moment right now. And it was a really intense thing to shoot, and I'll always remember it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wow. I didn't know that they did a spy shot of you. I would have loved to seen that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. It's not in the deleted scenes, but I remember doing it because I remember that walk from the kitchen to my desk feeling very, very long and vulnerable.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm sure. Okay, 19 minutes, 30 seconds. We are now at a scene with Michael and Pam where everything gets turned back on its head.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. We think Jim is like, we. I've resolved it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You've collected yourself, like, fine. He liked me. He doesn't like me anymore. Fine. And Michael's like, oh, yeah. No, it was on the booze cruise. He had a crush on you. And you're like, wait, did he tell you he had a crush on me on the booze cruise? Or did he have a crush on me on the booze cruise? And Michael's like, shut it, Michael, shut it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now everyone's leaving for the day. Pam and Jim leave together.

[Angela Kinsey]

They do. They get in the elevator together.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, in the elevator, you notice there are all of these glances where Jim looks at me while I'm looking forward, but then I look at Jim while he's looking forward. It took us forever to time that out with getting in the elevator, glancing at each other. That was all intentional, the doors closing. Exactly. When the doors close. It took a very, very long time. I'm very proud of how it turned out. Also, David called our head, wrote in and said, did you consciously lean into John in the final scene in the elevator? I didn't consciously do. Just kind of happened. But that was a little dance that we had to choreograph and get just right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I thought it was great, and it was a great way to sort of wrap up that storyline of that episode. And then we have it. 20 minutes, 16 seconds. Michael reveals that he was watching a Cinemax movie. The name of the movie is called More Secrets of a Call Girl.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, not a real movie. I looked it up.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, it's not. It's not a real movie. Michael says, you know, Wait, what does he say? Does he say, I don't want to be Shyla? Can we hear that? It's at 20 minutes, 16 seconds. I was watching Cinemax last weekend. This movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

Portrait of a Prostitute.

[Angela Kinsey]

Something. Secrets of Mortal 4. Secrets of a Call Girl. An elite character, Shiloh, is framed for murder, goes on the run, and winds up working at a bordello in Malibu.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't. I don't want to live like that.

[Angela Kinsey]

I like it here. I don't want to be Shiloh. I like being Michael Scott. I don't want to be Shiloh.

[Jenna Fischer]

He doesn't want to be Shyla.

[Angela Kinsey]

I want to be Michael Scott.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's a good quote. I don't want to be Shyla.

[Angela Kinsey]

Why didn't I make people shirts with that? I should have.

[Jenna Fischer]

You should have.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't want to be Shila. All right, everybody. That was the secret.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we are back next week with the carpet. There's some gross stuff on Michael's carpet. He's going to figure out what exactly it was.

[Angela Kinsey]

See you next week.

[Jenna Fischer]

See you then. Thank you for listening to Office Lady's second drink.

[Angela Kinsey]

This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolf.

[Jenna Fischer]

Office Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins and our audio engineer and associate producer is Daniela Silva.

[Jenna Fischer]

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Wise Berman and Leah Rhys Dennis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basel.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

[Angela Kinsey]

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