Superfan Episode: Hot Girl

Summary

Office Ladies – Superfan Episode: Hot Girl

Hosts: Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey
Release Date: December 18, 2024

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Episode Overview

In this Superfan Episode of "Office Ladies," hosts Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey delve deep into the "Hot Girl" episode of "The Office." They explore additional footage from the Peacock Superfan release, share behind-the-scenes anecdotes, and uncover intricate production details that offer superfans and newcomers alike a richer understanding of this iconic episode.

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Episode Breakdown

1. Introduction to the "Hot Girl" Episode

At [12:23], Jenna and Angela kick off the episode by revisiting the familiar opening scene of "Hot Girl," where Michael Scott is seen idly inserting pencils into his keyboard while Jan Hammond discusses an incentive program aimed at boosting sales with a $1,000 prize for the top performer.

2. Casting Insights

One of the standout discussions revolves around Amy Adams' casting as Katie, the alluring purse saleswoman. Jenna shares an intriguing behind-the-scenes tidbit:

Jenna Fischer: "We originally shot Hot Girl for an entire day with a completely different actress in the role of Katie. And unfortunately, she just wasn't quite right for the role. We replaced her with Amy." [04:57]

Angela adds to this by highlighting Amy's seamless integration and improvisational prowess:

Angela Kinsey: "Amy Adams really improvised a lot at that front reception. And she was so good as Katie." [06:37]

3. Set and Production Details

Angela revisits the set design nuances, particularly the missing credenza in Michael's office—a detail noticeable in the Superfan episode compared to the original. She observes:

Angela Kinsey: "There is a picture behind Dwight of Mount Rushmore… that wasn’t there." [18:16]

Jenna corroborates this by noting other set inconsistencies, such as Dwight not wearing his signature mustard shirt in this episode.

4. Improvisations and Added Scenes

The Superfan episode introduces several improvisational elements not present in the original broadcast. Notably, Amy Adams improvises numerous lines, enhancing Katie's character depth. For instance:

Angela Kinsey: "She doesn't want Michael to know her real name." [17:38]

Additionally, Rainn Wilson (Dwight) brings added humor through improvised actions like batting a purse back and forth:

Jenna Fischer: "He didn't know anything about that. He was just riffing." [07:35]

5. Character Interactions and Developments

The hosts explore the evolving dynamics between characters:

• Jim and Dwight: They discuss a scene where Jim subtly encourages Dwight to buy a purse to impress Katie, showcasing Jim's smooth maneuvering.

Jim: "If there's a lull in the conversation, just buy a purse." [53:21]

• Michael and Katie: Michael's growing interest in Katie is portrayed through his awkward yet endearing attempts to bond, including offering her a high-end coffee maker.

Michael Scott: "Coffee is the great incentivizer. It really speeds people up." [65:38]

6. Fan Theories and Set Design Mysteries

Jenna and Angela delve into fan theories surrounding the Dunder Mifflin office layout, particularly the enigmatic hallway adjacent to the conference room. They reference insights from Dave Rogers, the show's production designer, and discuss how fan-created floor plans attempt to rationalize set inconsistencies.

Jenna Fischer: "Most of those show this hallway as leading to a set of stairs… But there was no door at the end of this hallway." [29:05]

7. Humor and Iconic Moments

The episode spotlights classic humorous elements, such as Dwight using a football mug and Michael's infamous talking heads. Jenna reminisces about the awkward yet funny moments:

Jenna Fischer: "Jim has a talking head now where he just talks about, like, Pam and I are good buddies." [52:26]

Angela highlights Michael's self-aware humor in his talking heads:

Michael Scott (Talking Head): "Once they're laughing, that's 50% of them being horizontal." [65:32]

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Behind-the-Scenes Insights

Throughout the episode, Jenna and Angela share personal anecdotes from their time filming "The Office." Angela discusses the challenges of maintaining set continuity, especially regarding window designs that never quite matched the exterior:

Angela Kinsey: "Paul Lieberstein pointed out that none of the windows of our interior set match the windows of our exterior building." [34:17]

Jenna recounts a delightful moment in Scotland, where her fictional poker tournament story became real-life recognition among locals:

Jenna Fischer: "We took a photo with our kids, and now on our shelf, we have the photo of me and Lee from our first trip, and then a photo with the kids." [22:15]

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Key Insights and Reflections

• Character Depth Through Improvisation: Amy Adams' improvisational skills brought additional layers to Katie, making her interactions with the Dunder Mifflin staff more dynamic and memorable.

• Set Design Challenges: The discrepancy between the show's fictional floor plan and the actual building layout offers an intriguing discussion on production design and fan engagement.

• Humor Evolution: The Superfan episodes capture the essence of "The Office's" humor while introducing new funny moments through added scenes and improvisations.

• Fan Engagement: Jenna and Angela's exploration of fan theories and floor plan mysteries highlights the active role of the fan community in keeping the show's legacy alive.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jenna Fischer: "If two things look the same, that doesn't mean that they are." [84:50]

• Angela Kinsey: "If all else fails, blow it out the window." [84:54]

• Jenna Fischer: "We originally shot Hot Girl for an entire day with a completely different actress in the role of Katie. And unfortunately, she just wasn't quite right for the role. We replaced her with Amy." [04:57]

• Angela Kinsey: "Amy Adams really improvised a lot at that front reception. And she was so good as Katie." [06:37]

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Conclusion

This Superfan Episode of "Office Ladies" offers a comprehensive and engaging analysis of "The Office's" "Hot Girl" episode. Through detailed discussions, behind-the-scenes stories, and the uncovering of hidden details, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey provide invaluable insights that enhance the viewing experience for all fans. Whether you're a longtime enthusiast or a new viewer, this episode enriches your appreciation for the nuanced storytelling and beloved characters of "The Office."

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Thank you for listening to Office Ladies!

Transcript

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[Jenna Fischer]

We're the Office Lady 6.0. Hello.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hi.

[Jenna Fischer]

Let's tell everybody what we're doing today because this is exciting. I'm so excited about it. We watched the Hot Girl Peacock Superfan episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

So much extra stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

So much extra stuff. You know, we went into our mailbag, and you all suggested that we watch and break down some of these Peacock Super Fan episodes. There are some people who don't even know these exist.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. And they're so good. They are such a labor of love of our dear friend Dave Rogers, and I'm so glad we're finally watching them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So, you know, we broke down Hot Girl before in our original rewatch, but there are added scenes, and we also found so many more things that we could talk about.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Jenna, are you gonna do a summary? Are you doing fast facts? What's happening?

[Jenna Fischer]

I really sat with that question, Angela, in planning this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna do a title.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Is it Hot Girl? Just curious.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna say this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Season one, episode six, All Accurate, written by Mindy Kaling, directed by Amy Heckerling.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm gonna give you a summary.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm not gonna give you any fast facts, though.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm not gonna.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, I have to decide at a certain point. I feel like I'm drawing them, and it ends here.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

You heard it.

[Jenna Fischer]

But here's your summary, because I couldn't give that up.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

The appearance of an attractive purse saleswoman sparks a romantic rivalry between Michael, Dwight, and Jim and causes Pam to examine her own feelings. Mm. Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now, I'm not gonna leave you hanging here in the top of show. We did promise we would give top of show shares, and I've got a big one for you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

In our original breakdown of this episode, we mentioned that Amy Adams, who stars as the purse girl, Katie, was Mindy Kaling's first choice for the role. But what we didn't share was that Amy Adams was not the first person cast in the role.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nope.

[Jenna Fischer]

We originally shot Hot Girl for an entire day with a completely different actress in the role of Katie. And unfortunately, she just wasn't quite right for the role. They had to let her go. We replaced her with Amy. And it's so funny because in our original breakdown, we talk about how when Amy was shooting with us, she told us a story about how she had just been fired from a job when we were all on set together. It's such a common thing in the business. It's almost like a rite of passage.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I actually wrote about it in my book, the Actor's Life, because while I was writing my book, I got fired from a show, and I share all about it in my book. But I also did some research, and I thought you might enjoy some of these.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

For example, did you know that Lisa Kudrow was originally cast as Roz in the pilot for Frasier?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And Ray Romano was originally cast as the handyman on Newsradio.

[Angela Kinsey]

Really?

[Jenna Fischer]

And he was let go. And Bob Odenkirk was supposed to play Nathan on Will and Grace, but he was let go and replaced with Woody Harrelson. Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, you know, it just sometimes comes down to so many things that are outside your control. And I remember when Amy came on the set, she was so seamlessly Katie. Yeah, she improvises a lot, you guys. We'll get to it. But a lot of her improvs make it in. She just knew who this woman was.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Alison Jones shared with us that Amy Adams was everybody's first choice for Katie the purse girl. But there was this concern that Amy and I looked too similar. And I guess one of the writers even said, I'm sorry, we can't cast her. She's like Jenna 2.0. And so they got cold feet and they cast someone else. But when it didn't work out, they decided to cast Amy and just lean into the fact that she and I looked similar, because that wasn't the idea behind the role at first. That was not part of the conception of Katie the purse girl. And then that is why they added that line. She's like Pam 6.0, which is just so amazing because that writer had said it up in the writer's room.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Well, Jenna, I have a little something to share at top of show, please. So, you know, I went back to the DVDs for this episode to rewatch the original and compare it to the Super Fan episode. And I forgot how much the DVDs themselves evolved as the show went on, just in what they included and the look of them. For example, in this season one disc, when you click on an episode, there is a picture and an episode summary. So for Hot Girl on the screen, there's a picture of Dwight and Katie in the conference room. And then on what looks like to be like a lined piece of notebook paper, is the following.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is this their summary?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Jenna Fischer]

That's probably going to be better than mine.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, it's not. Stop it. Okay, stop that. This is what it says. Hot girl, air date, semicolon 4. 2605. Okay, and then it says episode summary. The blundering men of Dunder Mifflin vie for the attention of an attractive woman who appears at the office trying to sell purses.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I think my summary was better.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, actually, anyway, there you go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Worried for nothing.

[Angela Kinsey]

There you go. That is what it says about this episode on the original DVDs.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, why don't we take a break and when we come back we will break down this super fan episode of.

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Hot Girl and we have lots of fun new stuff.

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[Jenna Fischer]

We are back and we kick things off with the same scene you would have seen in the broadcast episode. Michael is sticking some pencils in his computer keyboard. He looks like he's, I don't know, bored. He's not working.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nope.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then you come to realize Jan is on speakerphone.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

She and Alan have created an incentive program to increase sales. And at the end of the month, Michael can reward the top seller in the office with a prize worth up to $1,000.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And he says, do I get to decide what that $1,000 is spent on? And she's like, sure, yeah. And he's like, jan, mistake.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, yes. And he also wants to know, you know, if you're not still currently in sales, but maybe if you used to be in sales. And she's like, no, Michael, you're not eligible to win. And then next up, we have an added scene which is so good. Oh, my gosh, I loved it so much. We have Amy Adams arriving in the office as Katie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, Jenna. I thought we should hear how it was described in the shooting draft. Great interior office open area day. Meredith is working on a crossword. We hear the door open and Meredith.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is working on a crossword.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's what it says. We hear the door open and whip over to Catch Katie, an attractive young woman enters the office and approaches Pam. When we pan back, we see the heads of men in the office perk up to check her out. Katie is showing Angela some purses from a big duffel. And you guys, the super size episode shows all the men stopping to look over. I took a screengrab. Literally, all the dudes have made some reason to be in the bullpen in the back of the scene. Creed is standing right by the conference room door. Kevin is by the supply shelf. Ryan is next to Phyllis. Toby is by the water cooler. Stanley is really leaning up to look, you know, from his desk. Oscar is down on one knee digging through a box by Dwight's desk. Jim is at his desk. And Devin is on his knees at the end of Stanley and Phyllis's desk.

[Jenna Fischer]

All these dudes are watching Katie at front reception as she is trying to sell Pam and Angela these little purses. At one point, she holds up this little red purse to Pam and she's like, this color looks really good on you. This is really great for you, lady. That's the color you say looks really good on me. It made me laugh out loud.

[Angela Kinsey]

You do look really good in that color. So here's the thing. I thought we should hear this scene. It's really fun. And Amy Adams, she's selling stuff.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, let's listen. Hi. Hi.

[C]

How are you? Okay, good. I'm Kate.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hi. Hi. Nice to meet you.

[Angela Kinsey]

What's your name?

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam.

[C]

Hi, nice to meet you, Pam. Let me ask you a question. Do you read a lot of fashion magazines? Because you look really fashion forward, and I just wanted to let you know. Hi, how are you? I have a great opportunity today to get in on some of the newest styles because I know with your working hours, you don't really probably have a chance to go to the mall very often. So what I have to offer you today is some excellent purses. And if I could just have a space to set up, maybe show you what I have and some of your other. Here, feel that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[C]

It really brightens you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[C]

Don't you think that gives her a nice color?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't.

[C]

No, I really. It really suits you. I've got faux leather. I have some really great fakes. You wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't want to.

[C]

Just like all the movie stars.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't want to interrupt you. Sorry. We don't usually allow solicitors in the office.

[C]

Well, I'm actually selling purses.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right. I. No, that's what I Mean, I didn't. I can't. I'm just the receptionist. I can't authorize you to, like, come in and set up or anything. Okay.

[C]

Is there somebody that I could talk to? Like, who. Who would authorize. Is that you?

[Angela Kinsey]

I love it.

[Jenna Fischer]

She turns to you, Angela. She's like, who would authorize. Is that you?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's like.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're like, no, no. My favorite line is when she says, I have some really great fakes. You won't even be able to tell the difference.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right, fan question from Jenna F. In Los Angeles. Jenna F. Remembers that a lot of this scene was improvised. Angela, can you confirm?

[Angela Kinsey]

Absolutely. Can confirm. Literally all it says in the shooting draft is that Katie is showing Angela some purses from a big duffel. And then Pam does go to Michael's office.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And the only dialogue that is scripted is this. Katie showing Angela some purses from a big duffel. Says that one is hand embroidered. Angela says there's a smudge on it. And then that's when Pam and Michael entered. Dwight tagging along behind them. So Amy Adams really improvised a lot at that front reception. And she was so good as Katie.

[Jenna Fischer]

So good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, lady. Did you hear how she introduces herself?

[Jenna Fischer]

No. What did she say?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm Kate.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, you know what is so funny? I thought I caught that when I was watching it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And then when Michael walks up, she says, I'm Katie and here's my fan theory. Ready?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

She doesn't want Michael to know her real name.

[Jenna Fischer]

She already has realized.

[Angela Kinsey]

She sussed it out when he's like, cox in the hen house. She's like, I'm not telling him my real name.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, we should back up a second because we skipped a scene, which is Dwight and Michael are in Michael's office and they are brainstorming about what motivates people the most.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. What's an incentive?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Because he's going to have to motivate the sales team to win this prize. At 3 minutes and 15 seconds, Dwight is hanging out over Michael's shoulder in that traditional spot. However, did you notice the credenza is missing?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's no credenza in Michael's office in season one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Not only that, there is a picture behind Dwight of Mount Rushmore.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Like, with an American flag. That wasn't there.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I noticed. Going back again, I really saw how this was our real building.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

This wasn't our set yet.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I also wanna note that Dwight is not wearing a mustard shirt in this episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Wow, I didn't catch that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Kind of a good catch.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is a good catch.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, like you said, Michael's going to get a glimpse of Katie through the blinds and he's going to decide he does want to speak with her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he's going to go out and he's going to tell her she can have the conference room.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Pam says, but HR has a meeting in there. Oh, my gosh. Michael says, you know what? Give him the hallway with chairs.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, it's just ridiculous.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And in this moment, Michael's like, well, you know, decisiveness is one of the keys to being a successful businessman. Read that in Small Businessman. And then he has this really funny talking head where he says all the things that he reads.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Angela Kinsey]

USA Today, American Way. He loves the inflight magazine.

[Jenna Fischer]

And we talked about this in our original breakdown. But lady, if you can believe it, I have more to tell you about American Way magazine. I love in flight magazines.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do, too. And I'm sad a lot of airlines don't have them anymore.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what I was going to share.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

American Way magazine has been retired.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. According to an article in USA Today from June 2021, Dana Lawrence, American Airlines managing director of global brand marketing, said airlines are eliminating magazines due in large part to travelers changing tastes for in flight entertainment since the introduction of Wi fi on planes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Jenna Fischer]

But then I got into the history of the American Way magazine.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is this going to make me more sad?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. I found it fascinating. It started as a 22 page booklet called the American Way in 1966, and it was just an annual publication. And in the first issue, flight attendants were called stewardesses and business travelers were pitched family fairs offering half price tickets for your wife. It was like so Mad Men this whole era. But then it moved to a monthly magazine. And American Way is very proud that they've had a few pop culture moments. They called them out in this article. Specifically the fact that Michael Scott, played by Steve Carell, bragged that he subscribed to it. They mentioned that he has that line where he says there's some great articles in there. They did a great profile last month at Doris Roberts and where she likes to eat in Phoenix.

[Angela Kinsey]

Phoenix. I loved it.

[Jenna Fischer]

American Way said they did feature an article with Terry Bradshaw and where he likes to eat in Phoenix. So if you want to look that up, you can at least find that out. And then did you know that 12 years later, our very own Mindy Kaling was on the COVID of American Way magazine. She tweeted about it. She said, I'm proud to grace the COVID of Michael Scott's favorite magazine, American Way.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's so funny. Well, I have to go find that because I want to read it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, by 2021, Delta, Southwest, and United had also retired their in flight magazines. But United decided to bring their Hemispheres magazine back in digital form. Virgin Atlantic has also brought their magazine back online. You all know we discussed the first time we broke this down, how I wrote an article about winning the poker tournament in Scotland for Hemispheres magazine, and I thought I would share an update.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

My family went back to Scotland in 2022. We returned to the same pub, the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wally dug, this time with your kids.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep. There was no poker tournament. We wanted there to be so bad. We were like, guys, listen, if we get there and there's a poker tournament, buckle in, because Mom's going to enter again.

[Angela Kinsey]

This has become like family lore. Remember when mom won the poker tournament in Scotland at midnight?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But there was no poker tournament. But when we got there, the bartender was like, oh, my gosh, you're that girl who. From the TV show that won the poker tournament here. And I was like, yes. And it had become like she said, we get all these American tourists who come here now because you told that story. But it was sweet. We took a photo with our kids, and now on our shelf, we have the photo of me and Lee from our first trip, and then a photo with the kids.

[Angela Kinsey]

So cute. Well, now Michael is gonna get Katie all set up in the conference room. And there is a moment in the scene. It makes me laugh every time I see this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, it's when Michael is telling Katie, look, I'm just right next door. I mean, there used to be a window here. There's not anymore, but I'll be right there, you know?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

So I was like, why does he mention that window? Is there more in the shooting draft about the fact that there was a window? This is how it reads in the shooting draft. Michael says to Katie, and this is my conference room. Make yourself at home. I'm right on the other side of the wall. Then there is this direction. Wistfully, Michael looks at the wall. There used to be a window there. He raps on the wall. Anyway, that's where I'll be. So I'm like, what is the backstory about this? I emailed Mindy. She did not email me back.

[Jenna Fischer]

No kidding.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was like, mindy, I included the whole shooting draft description. I Was like, please tell me there was a bigger story about this window.

[Jenna Fischer]

Poor Mindy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Poor Mindy. She is actually traveling. It's not her fault.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're gonna see her for dinner soon.

[Angela Kinsey]

We're gonna see her for dinner, and she's gonna be like, ang, I was on a plane. I couldn't. Sorry. But I mean, he's wistfully looking at the wall.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think here's my theory that there was a window there, but he would get distracted by the conference room. If there was anything happening, he would, like, peer in. And so they were like, nope. Jan was like, no more window.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Jan took it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think Jan took it out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jan took it out is my question. I think, did Toby take it out? Is this one of the reasons why Michael hates Toby?

[Angela Kinsey]

I think there were complaints about Michael in the window during the conference room meetings, and I think corporate took it out.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, this scene of him watching Katie, like, unpack her purses, and he's just lingering.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, man.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's a little expanded from the original. There's just a lot more of him awkwardly watching her and asking if there's anything he can do to help, you know, until she's finally. Like, a cup of coffee would be great.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then he's like, I knew it. I knew it, the bucks. You're another addict. And she's like, what are you talking about? He's so excited to get her this cup of coffee.

[Jenna Fischer]

And then there's a new talking head from Michael where he says, it's probably not charming to say so, but people find him charming. There's a whole runner of Michael in this episode talking about just what a catch he is, how charming he is.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's all of these extra talking heads. We're gonna point them out. And then there's this great scene between Kevin and Pam. We talked about this when we originally watched where Kevin is just basically saying the purse girl is prettier than Pam. And Pam's like, that's rude.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. We talked about how I kept breaking when we were shooting this.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can see you breaking now. We are coming to something I am so excited about. You know, Jenna, how many times have we watched the show now? But when you come across something new, it is still so fun.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

There is this scene. I have so many questions about this scene. Okay, remember how Pam said there was an HR meeting in the conference room, and Michael says, move them to the hallway and give them chairs? Well, here it is.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is an added scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think this hallway is three Feet wide. It is so narrow. It just fits the chairs, basically. And it's Kelly, Creed, Meredith, Toby, Devin, and Luann. They are smushed into this tiny space. They have cups of coffee, a plate of pastries, lots of papers, a big whiteboard that keeps falling, and they're trying to hold it. It's so funny. And I went to the shooting draft to see what it said about this scene, and it's not in there. It's not in the shooting draft, and it's not in the candy bag alts. So I don't know if there were some last minute pages that flew in, but it's not in the shooting draft.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, what's interesting is that this is the first and only time we see this full hallway on the show. It was the hallway that goes behind the back window of the conference room. To get to it, you would go through that door next to the storage shelf and, like, go to the left.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. Okay. So the storage supply shelf where Kevin was standing, there's the door to the left.

[Jenna Fischer]

You go through that door, and then that's where that hallway was. And this was a real thing in this real building. But it was really weird because it was like there was a window at the end of the conference room, but it just went to this hallway. And then on the other wall of the hallway were a couple of windows that actually went outside.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know what this hallway was for. It made no sense.

[Angela Kinsey]

It made no sense. It's like where the hallway. It's where Dwight, you know, lit the fire.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's right. But that was after we had recreated it on our set. We recreated part of this hallway. But in that episode, which is stress relief, when Dwight starts the fire in the trash can, you only see the right corner. You never see this view behind the conference room again. So when we were watching the final episodes of the show and I became very curious about where does this door go? And I wrote Dave Rogers and I said, where does that door go? By the storage shelf.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. What's the story? What happens if you turn left?

[Jenna Fischer]

We know what happens. You get to our hair and makeup stations and you get to where we would eat lunch. But I'm like, where in the world of this building, of this show did we think that went? And Dave Rogers, we joke about it. He sent me back a dissertation on about the hallway. All the hallways of Dunder Mitt. All the hallways, yes. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Are you about to share Dave Rogers dissertation on hallways?

[Jenna Fischer]

I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God. I'm getting comfortable I can't wait.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Dave shared with me that there are a lot of Dunder Mifflin floor plans that were made by fans that try to explain where all of the doors and hallways go.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

In our world, most of those show this hallway as leading to a set of stairs. So you know that door that at the end, past the break room? You know how, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Most of the fan theories, they have drawn a set of stairs that you can get to from either that door by the break room or a door at the end of this little hallway.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

But there was no door at the end of this hallway.

[Angela Kinsey]

And this superfan scene must blow that out the window.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because you see it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is that a phrase? Blow it out the window? Did I just make that up? Did I do one of my things?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't think it is a phrase. It's definitely not a phrase. What is it? Does it blow it wide open? I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm saying it blows this theory away.

[Jenna Fischer]

Angela, are you thinking blow it out of the water? Does it blow it out of the water?

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe it also blows it out the window.

[Jenna Fischer]

I try to imagine, like, when you would do that, you'd be like, you know what? I'm gonna take that, and I'm gonna blow it out the window. Oh, well, I don't know. It does. If you need to clear a room of smoke, you might open a window and blow it out the window.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. Anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I was gonna say, in reality, both of those doors led to a big storage closet, which is where, I believe, props would keep our props. But in the world of Dunder Mifflin, we created our own Dunder Mifflin floor plan because we had to have a sense of where did these things go in the fictional world. And even on the Dunder Mifflin floor plan, this hallway goes nowhere. Oh, no, it goes to nothing. On our official floor plan, we do show that the door by the break room does lead to a fictional staircase. And I think that is the staircase that would go to the spot where we saw Pam crying on the bench when Dwight comforts her, which was the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Side of the warehouse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. So that door by the break room, I believe, would take you down to that part of the building. And then also in our, like, Dunder Mifflin lobby elevator area, there is a staircase that would lead you down to Caffeine Corner.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay. Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

But my one question when looking at all these floor plans was, where is that long hallway that Michael is always running down. That connects between those two stairwells.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, the writers hallway.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, we know it was the writers hallway. But, like, where is. Because there's windows.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So where is that?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. And why wouldn't HR go there? It's so much roomier.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. I mean, why didn't they go to the break room? Why didn't they go to so many places?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's true. The kitchen.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Also, looking at this floor plan, there is another door that we never reveal where it goes or what it is, it leads to nowhere. And that is the door in the annex by Kelly's desk.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

The door by accounting, we eventually reveal is a storage locker where the dock crew keeps their stuff, but.

[Angela Kinsey]

And where Jim and Pam hooked up once.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. But we never see behind the door in the annex.

[Angela Kinsey]

The door by Kelly's desk in the annex, as you would walk in and out of it. It went to our bathrooms. It was a back way to the bathrooms in the real world. And there was a red paintbrush. Remember? It was like a little piece of art that sat on top of the shelf. It was like a. It looked like a paintbrush, but it was painting a streak of red. But it was like a little sculpture.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Do you remember it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. That was the weirdest thing I know. I don't know why you just remembered that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. Well, anyway, there it is, everybody. That was the hallways, the dissertation on hallways and doorways. I was talking to Paul Lieberstein recently, and he pointed out that none of the windows of our interior set match the windows of our exterior building. And it said it's always driven him crazy and fans never talk about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, that's right. We got in a whole conversation with him about this. It's actually a pet peeve of his. When you look at the Dunder Mifflin building from the parking lot, that the windows don't match.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

When you're inside looking out, he said.

[Jenna Fischer]

There'S all these floor plans and people worry about the hallways and the doors, but no one talks about the windows.

[Angela Kinsey]

Blow it out the window, Paul.

[Jenna Fischer]

Blow it out the window.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now, we have this scene between Kevin and Dwight. You know, in the original, they're just sort of like, sipping. It looks like water. Maybe they're by the water cooler in the bullpen and they're watching Katie and they don't have dialogue. But in the Superfan episode, the full scene is there and they're looking at her and they're Trying to figure out, is she local, is she from Scranton, or is she foreign? You know, would they have known her? And they're sort of, you know, they're ogling her. Is that the right word?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, I believe so.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, well, I want you to know something. In the shooting draft, this scene was actually between Jim and Dwight, not Dwight and Kevin.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You sort of see that Jim is behind them.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And he doesn't say much. Well, in the shooting draft, it actually starts with Jim and Dwight. And I want to read it to you. Dwight stares at Katie and flosses. He examines the bits of food on his floss closely. Jim says, that's more of a bathroom activity, isn't it? Dwight says, not enough natural light in the bathroom. And then it goes into the scene of them watching Katie, but Dwight is flossing his teeth in the bullpen. Isn't that so gross?

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, I'm glad that was cut from both the original and the super fan. I don't think I ever need to see that.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so gross.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now Dwight is gonna have a talking head. This was also in the original episode where he just talks about how the purse girl, like, hits everything on his list. We talked about this scene. Cause it has the very famous line that shrews produce very thirsty babies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight doesn't need the boobs for him, though. They're for his babies.

[Jenna Fischer]

For his babies, yeah. That's why he likes her boobs.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

I thought the angle of this talking head was very interesting. He's inside the conference room, but he doesn't have Stanley's desk behind him. No, it's actually like he's sitting almost right by the door to the conference room, which is closed. And over his shoulder, you can see Jim. You can see Creed, the copier. Leanne crosses behind him. I mean, so much activity.

[Angela Kinsey]

So much activity. But this is the early days. We did lots of crosses and back and forths. We now have a new scene. Dwight is going to go into the conference room and try his best to flirt with Katie. He's going to look at her purses. In the script, the scene was set up like this. Dwight walks over to Katie without his glasses on. He holds up a purse very close to his eyes. He looks at the purse and says, it's really well made. Good stitching, excellent fabric. It was not scripted for Rainn to then bat the purse back and forth around as Dwight. He improvised that. And I want you to go to 8 minutes and 23 seconds, because you can See rain starting to break at himself. He's laughing at his own bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that. Well, behind Katie's shoulder, we have the Dunder Mifflin calendar blitz. Yeah, it's this whiteboard, and it looks like a sales chart. Maybe this is where we're figuring out who's going to win this incentive at the end of the day. And the names on it were very curious to me. Oh, they were Jim, Dwight, Stanley, Phyllis, Andy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Andy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, Andy. Roger.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who's Roger?

[Jenna Fischer]

And Michelle with one L. Who the.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hell are Roger and Michelle?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. Oh, my gosh, I'm not sure.

[Angela Kinsey]

These superfan episodes are messing with my head. Well, the scene continues here. Now, Dwight is asking Katie about a specific purse. He's like, you sell a lot of these? She says, yes, it's very popular. He then says, is it waterproof? And she responds, I'm not sure. It's faux snakeskin. And then Dwight says, snakes are waterproof. So I'm betting that it is waterproof.

[Jenna Fischer]

But it's faux snakeskin.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. Also snakeskin. It's not waterproof.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's not?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Did you look it up?

[Angela Kinsey]

I did look it up.

[Jenna Fischer]

I love that.

[Angela Kinsey]

Snakes are not waterproof, but their skin permeability can change to help them retain water. That's according to the Internet people.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, he also has a line where he asks her if she knows the difference between a snake and an eel, and if not, he can look it up. I looked up the difference between a snake and an eel.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, an eel is ocean, right? It's saltwater animal.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Angela, according to Americanoceans.org, there are several differences between snakes and eels. Should we start with their habitat?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. I can tell you I swam up right on a moray eel one time, face to face.

[Jenna Fischer]

How was that?

[Angela Kinsey]

A little scary. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, eels can live in both freshwater or saltwater. In fact, the European eel migrates from freshwater to saltwater to breed. However, snakes are found mostly on land, but in a variety of habitats like deserts, forests, and swamps. Both snakes and eels lack pectoral fins and have scales. But eels have a slimy skin, whereas snakes have dry, scaly skin. Eels have gills. Snakes have lungs. Eels have a tail fin that runs the length of their body, but snakes have no tail. Also diet? Most eels are carnivorous, and they eat fish and crustaceans and worms. Snakes are also carnivorous and eat things like rodents, birds and other reptiles. I mean, I've got more. Do you want to hear about their reproductive cycles?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, buckle in because I'm going to tell you.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know if I want to know how they do it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Eels lay their eggs in the ocean, and the larvae drift back to freshwater environments. Snakes lay eggs or give birth to live young. So different.

[Angela Kinsey]

I knew that snakes laid eggs.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I think it's very different. Yeah. Snakes and eels are not closely related is the bottom line. Snakes are reptiles. Eels are fish. They belong to totally different classes of animals.

[Angela Kinsey]

So what's the moral here? You can look like something else but not have anything in common with it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, that's the moral. That's the moral of that deep dive. That's why I did it. That's why I did it, because I wanted to make that. I wanted everyone to know that you. What is going on?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll tell you what's going on. We've been here for six hours.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, you guys. We tried to do a double recording today, and this is what happens.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no. Oh, gosh. I have mascara all over me.

[Jenna Fischer]

This is what you get.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is what you get. Double record day.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, that's the moral of the story. I don't know what you do with.

[Angela Kinsey]

A photo like that.

[Jenna Fischer]

You look like the same thing as something, but you're really different. That's everyone. Take that into your weekend.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

If you meet a set of twins, they might look very similar, but they're not. They're different people. And the next time you encounter a set of twins, you're going to remember this podcast and the moral of the story.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you're going to say, one's an eel and one's a snake.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly. Exactly. They look the same, but they're different. But also. I want to say something. But also, snakes and eels don't even look that much alike.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're both, like, I don't know, long.

[Jenna Fischer]

They're both long. And I guess they don't have feet.

[Angela Kinsey]

They don't. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All right. We should move on.

[Angela Kinsey]

We should. Katie says, oh, no, guys, can we.

[Jenna Fischer]

Even finish this episode?

[D]

This is off the rails.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I was gonna say it. This is out the window. Totally gone.

[Jenna Fischer]

Out the window. What?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know. It said, this is something that was not funny until we talked about your deep dive. Anyway, Katie says, you're really into reptiles, huh? And Dwight says, my belt is made of alligator. Then he pulls his shirt up. He's going to show off this belt. And that's when Michael comes in. And I would like to point something out. Michael is going to have a Runner in this episode. I didn't share this before. Of some seriously snarky behavior.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Michael. Snark.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael snark. His snarky behavior is gonna be pointing out what he thinks are people's shortcomings so that they seem inferior and so that Katie will like him. So when he walks in, he says to Dwight, where are your glasses? And then he says to Katie, he wears glasses. Snark. Yeah, there's gonna be more.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now Michael is gonna offer to give Katie a tour of the office. And he tells Ryan to watch her purses.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, she doesn't want to go, though. She's like, my purses. He's like, they're fine.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Then we have a new Dwight talking head. It's a classic. This is some classic Dwight here where he describes his ideal woman.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, his ideal woman is. Would be Koniko Taka, whose parents were assassinated and she was taken in by a wealthy, cruel businessman.

[Angela Kinsey]

But then she practiced a keto free.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. To one day secretly avenge her parents deaths. This is who Dwight wants. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now Michael is giving Katie the tour. They're walking through the kitchen. I have a few background catches I missed the first time around.

[Jenna Fischer]

Same.

[Angela Kinsey]

Same is yours.

[Jenna Fischer]

The dry erase board that says, please.

[Angela Kinsey]

Clean up, and it also says groceries.

[Jenna Fischer]

10 minutes, 10 seconds. Yes. It is on the wall, and it is right by the door that leads to the bullpen.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Mm.

[Angela Kinsey]

At 10 minutes and 13 seconds, why is Oscar taking a phone call by the bathroom door? He is seated in a chair next to the door to the men's bathroom. There are so many other places to take a phone call. Why would you sit there?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I guess so that Michael can walk by and make fun of his name.

[Angela Kinsey]

I guess so. He's also sitting under a sign that says, now hiring friendly people with smiles.

[Jenna Fischer]

Also, there's another sign by Oscar. It's another all hands meeting. You know that all hands meeting that's been up by Pam's desk this whole first season? It's on Saturday. No date, just Saturday.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's a lot of meetings.

[Jenna Fischer]

Pam has a talking head where she says she likes having Katie around because it's another person for Michael to interact with. Now we've got a couple of new moments. We see Kelly trying to pick out a purse, and Ryan is sort of now, I guess, in the role of salesperson.

[Angela Kinsey]

I went to the shooting draft. Cause I was like, what is happening?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

It said this. There is a shot of Ryan efficiently selling Kelly a purse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have two things to say Is this our very first sign that Ryan is a con man? Oh, he's so shady. He's selling purses that aren't his.

[Jenna Fischer]

I bet if she gave him money, he might pocket it. I think you're right.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then also, this is our first moment of Kelly and Ryan and it's.

[Jenna Fischer]

So weird because I wonder if this happens to people when they're rewatching the show. I know what's gonna happen with Kelly and Ryan. And by the way, Kelly right now is still old Kelly. She's not full Mindy yet. And so I'm like, okay, the purse she picked up is leading toward full Mindy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

But she's still kind of dressed like old Kelly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I don't think there's any flirtation here. In fact, at the end of this episode, Dwight is going to give Kelly a purse. Almost like hinting that there could be romance there.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

All the romances are off. And I'm a little confused because I know too much.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's so early, but when you look at this moment, one of Kelly's very first interactions with Ryan in the documentary is him being dishonest with her.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. When we get to our episode on All About Ryan Howard. Oh, I think we're going to have. We'll. We'll really track his. What would you call that?

[Angela Kinsey]

Deception.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. All right, now we have another new scene, Angela, that you pointed out in our All About Michael Scott episode. Michael is continuing to give Katie a tour of the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. He says, thank you, Al Gore for the Internet. And he can't believe that you couldn't send messages electronically 10 years ago. And Katie's like, you could.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he's like, fine, 20 years ago.

[Angela Kinsey]

Still pretty cool.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now Michael is going to introduce Katie to Toby and they kind of hit it off.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Toby notices that she has a Bishop O'Hara ring. And he's like, oh my God, did you go there? And she's like, yeah. And he's like, I went there. And they're starting to bond and of course Michael has to cut it off.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. This is another Michael snarky moment. I wanna point out something in our initial breakdown of this. I share that there's a lot more in deleted scenes of Michael being snarky about Toby's divorce. And lady, they didn't even include them all in the superfan episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Really?

[Angela Kinsey]

Uh huh. There's actually more in deleted scenes on the dvd. We never played it and I think we should hear it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, me too.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cool.

[C]

What year were you there?

[Jenna Fischer]

89.

[D]

Toby's divorced. God, that's hard. That really ripped you up. She got the kids, right? That'll damage you. Sorry, man. That's a rather bad one. How much are you paying her?

[Angela Kinsey]

What can.

[D]

You can't even afford anything now, right? You're all right, though, right? Don't ask me for a raise. Oh. Cup of soup is a good idea, though. Yeah, that'll. That's a good budgetary thing to do. Well, they're good snacks, they're good food, good meals, good lunch. Ramen noodles are good, too. You still sleeping in the car? No, because he slept in the car a couple times. Are you still taking the antidepressants? This is a good idea. Is that. It'll help. It'll help, man.

[C]

I'm gonna go back to my table.

[D]

Okay. I'll see you in a bit. She's pretty cute, isn't she? See you in a bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

Michael. Snark.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And we do notice on Toby's desk there is a cup of soup. There's also a piggy bank that just says bread, cash money.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And there is a picture of a red Jeep on the wall next to him. Is this Toby's dream car?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know. That's a good question.

[Angela Kinsey]

Did she get the Jeep? And the divorce?

[Jenna Fischer]

Sounds like she got everything. Well, now we are gonna go into the kitchen. Roy, Jim, and Pam are eating lunch. And Roy just keeps going on and on about how attractive Katie is. And we talked a lot about this in our last breakdown. You know, Pam is seated in between Roy and Jim, and Roy is like, I don't understand why you don't go for her, Halpert. You know, if we weren't dating, I'd be all over that. And Pam's like, we're not dating. We're engaged. She storms out of the kitchen. Here's something we did not talk about in our last breakdown.

[Angela Kinsey]

I have something as well.

[Jenna Fischer]

Is it at 12 minutes and 52 seconds?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

@ the end of the scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'll let you go first then. Mine's at the very end of the scene. It's a button at the end of the scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, first of all, at the very top, Roy and I did not catch this the first time, calls Jim Jimmy. He says, hey, Jimmy, what do you think of that little purse girl, huh? And I'm like, oh, my gosh. This made me think of another fan theory, which is Jimmy is what you call someone when you grow up with them. Did Roy and Jim know each other like in elementary school? Did they grow up together? Was Jim called Jimmy when he was little?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, wow. I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

And that makes it even more layered that Roy got Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

But that would mean that Pam knew Jim growing up.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Where is Jim from originally?

[Angela Kinsey]

How long has Pam known Roy?

[Jenna Fischer]

Does Jim's family live in town? Do his brothers and parents live in town? Do we know their house was in.

[Angela Kinsey]

Town with the clown?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, yeah, that's right. So they did.

[Angela Kinsey]

But how long has Pam known Roy?

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, in my backstory, Pam and Roy at least went to high school together.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, Roy and Jimmy might have gone to elementary school together.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's crazy.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm. That's my fan theory. Okay, what was your thing?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I'm just as excited about this, but at 12 minutes and 52 seconds, Jim John is eating carrots.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yes, I saw that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think this is the first Jim John carrot eating. It starts so early.

[Angela Kinsey]

So early. He has a sandwich and carrots. Pam had a salad and a juice box and apple. And Roy has pizza.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jim has a talking head now where he just talks about, like, hey, you know, Pam and I are good buddies. She comes to me with her problems like work or Roy. And those are pretty much her two problems.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Dwight and Jim are watching Katie from their desks, and Jim is really going to mess with Dwight. You know, he's saying, she'd be perfect for you. And Dwight says, well, she's been talking to Michael a lot. And then I really loved this little couplet of dialogue. Jim says, so what? You're assistant regional manager. And Dwight says, assistant to the regional manager. And then Jim has this great line where he says, well, you know what, Dwight, he's your work boss, okay? He is not your relationship boss.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's powerful.

[Jenna Fischer]

I saw two things in this scene that are great examples of stuff we've talked about on the podcast before.

[Angela Kinsey]

Let's hear them.

[Jenna Fischer]

At 13 minutes and 27 seconds, Dwight's chair does not have arms. This was the crap chair that was to pass around. Yes, it's in this scene. I didn't think it ever played prominently in a scene, but somehow before Rainn started this scene, he got the crap chair. And there are no arms on this chair.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

And it made me laugh. It brought me back. Cause I was like, I remember when I get stuck with that chair without.

[Angela Kinsey]

The arms, I remember purposely going to set before Brian and Oscar so I wouldn't get crap chair.

[Jenna Fischer]

We just move it around to all our Desks. And you'd be like, oh, it really motivated you to get to set early. Also, at 13 minutes and 35 seconds, there is so clearly a fakey document on Dwight's monitor and Jim's monitor.

[Angela Kinsey]

I saw that.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's also on Meredith's monitor.

[Angela Kinsey]

The same one?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, they're all slightly different, but I mean, they really look almost like a sticker. You can just tell that these computers don't really work. If you like, just notice that in every single scene, it's the same fakey document on these monitors. But I think especially telling is the fact that Kate is not playing solitaire in the background.

[Angela Kinsey]

Right. The scene with Jim and Dwight is gonna continue. And Jim basically says, you know what? If there's a lull in conversation between you and Katie, just buy a purse. And Dwight's like, what? I don't want a purse. Purses are for girls. And Jim says, dwight, that is not necessarily true. Do you read gq? Because I do. And they're like mini briefcases. All right. Lots of guys have. Well, this made me curious. What does GQ say? What is the buzz about the merse. The man purse?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Ang, should we take a break and when we come back, you'll tell us?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, get ready.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because when we come back, I have a lot to say about men's purses.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have a lot of hearing about them that I want to do. So we're a good match.

[Angela Kinsey]

That sounds like a catchy phrase. I have a lot of hearing I want to do about that.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're inventing a lot of phrases that are going to catch on the screen.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're all gold.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm sure of it.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're all gold.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

And here's the thing, a lot of times you think, oh, do I have time to exercise? Well, they have 10, 20 or 45 minute time increments of classes.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And Dwight says, I don't want a purse. Purses are for girls. And Jim says, dwight, that is not necessarily True. Do you read gq? I do. And they're like many briefcases. Lots of guys have them. Well, lady, I was curious. What does GQ say about men's purses?

[Jenna Fischer]

What do they say?

[Angela Kinsey]

I looked it up. GQ certainly has a lot of great links to great bags, and I found several articles, and I'm going to share with you the evolution of the men's purse.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, like I said before the break, I am ready to receive this information into my ears.

[Angela Kinsey]

There it is, just eloquently said. So per a New York Post article written by Brooke Cato, I'll put the full article in our stories. Brooke says this. Long before there were handbags or even pockets, there were girdle pouches for men. You would wear your girdle pouch. It would hold spices and money. How about that, huh? Huh? So men had a type of satchel that they would strap to themselves.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

Then per GQ magazine later came a structural rectangular briefcase meant for carrying papers to and from work. This was during the Industrial Revolution. Then there were these certain big moments, sort of in the Zeitgeist where bags were featured. For example, the satchel really expanded because of Harrison Ford's character, Indiana Jones. He has that crossbody Satchel in the 80s movie.

[Jenna Fischer]

So did a bunch of men start carrying satchels to be like Harrison Ford in that movie?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then there were these moments in the 90s and early 2000s when purses kind of became a punchline. Like Matt LeBlanc's character in Friends famously has this leather bag and they make fun of him for it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then in this show, Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld ditches his overstuffed wallet for a shoulder bag. And then in the 2009 comedy the Hangover, Zach Galifianakis sports a brown crossbody bag, much to the chagrin of his buddies. So they got made fun of a little bit.

[Jenna Fischer]

It feels like this episode falls in that time period of the 90s, early 2000s.

[Angela Kinsey]

But then in 2018, Vogue Business says there was a debut of sporty crossbody bags from Gucci and Supreme. And all of a sudden, you saw these celebrities and athletes using them, and it really blew this up. And then I read on a website called Glossy in August of 2024 that searches for men's crossbody and carry all bags has gone up. Are you ready for this?

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

900%.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I also read on several different websites where they asked about carrying types of bags and crossbody bags, and they had one common theme. They all Liked the functionality of it. A few mentioned that trying to fit all of their items into their pockets made their pants uncomfortable and bulky. That makes sense to me. And now with athletes carrying these bags on game days and celebrities are carrying them on red carpets, men's bags are really taking off.

[Jenna Fischer]

But this is like, 20 years later.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

At this time.

[Angela Kinsey]

At this time, when this episode was written, it was very much still in the zeitgeist to make fun of it, to call it a merse a man purse, but that is not the case anymore. But men's purses are nothing new. Men have been carrying, like, these girdle pouch things for a long time.

[Jenna Fischer]

Hmm.

[Angela Kinsey]

So there you go. I say, go get your bag if you want a bag.

[Jenna Fischer]

I just want bigger pockets. I actually want to put everything in my pockets. Well, I don't want a purse.

[Angela Kinsey]

You don't want a purse. You want bigger pockets. But for people who want more than just what can fit in your pocket, go get your bag.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I guess so. Well, Dwight's gonna take Jim's advice. He's gonna go in and he's going to buy a purse from Katie. And then Jim is gonna run over to Pam's desk, and they're gonna do that little thing you do where you, like, make up dialogue.

[Angela Kinsey]

Flirty, flirt, flirt.

[Jenna Fischer]

As they're watching him through the window, they're like, oh, look, I love this. This is wonderful. They're doing that little thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

I actually brought up part of this scene in my All About Michael Scott because it's when we find out that Michael's cell phone ring at this time is mambo number five.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. This was added in the superfan episode. This flirty moment at reception with Jim and Pam is expanded. And this is when Pam tells Jim that Michael has been talking to Katie as well.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And the shot from our opening credits was taken from this scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Of Jim and Pam at reception. That's from this moment of them watching Dwight in the conference room. I also want to note that there's this moment in the scene when Pam mentions that his cell phone ringtone is still mambo number five. We kind of cut to Michael in his office. It's at 15 minutes, 34 seconds. And you can really tell that that is real sunlight coming through the window. That that is not fakey window. That this is from the real building.

[Angela Kinsey]

Because we're in the real building.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Katie is showing Pam a cute purse, and Michael interrupts them, and he does the Michael snark thing. Thing again. He says, To Pam. I'm sorry, are you on your lunch break or was that earlier? Uh huh. Busted.

[Jenna Fischer]

So she leaves and as she's leaving, Katie goes, come back. Was that scripted or improvised?

[Angela Kinsey]

I looked it up. It was improvised.

[Jenna Fischer]

I had a feeling it was just scripted. Well, now Michael tells Katie, I gotta show you something. Come to my office.

[Angela Kinsey]

He bought the floor flippin Starbucks Digital Barista for $1,000.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. And he has a talking head where he says coffee is the great incentivizer. Really speeds people up.

[Angela Kinsey]

He says it's not the only drug that does that. Back in the 80s, before they knew how bad cocaine was for you. Dunder Mifflin, man, they could really move some paper.

[Jenna Fischer]

That made me laugh. I thought that was funny.

[Angela Kinsey]

Katie is going to get a text and she looks really bummed because her ride has bailed on her. Who is her ride? Why doesn't Katie have a car?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know someone dropped her off at this business park and she didn't know anyone there.

[Angela Kinsey]

They just dropped her off.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean we talked about this before, all day. She needed to be in the conference room. How long does it take to sell purses to 16 people?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, and who dropped her off and why won't they come pick her up?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I don't know. They're not going to. But Michael is going to instantly insist on driving her home. She reluctantly agrees. And now we get this amazing new Michael talking head where Michael is just talking about why women find him attractive. It is so all over the place. It's brilliant. I thought we should hear it.

[D]

Why do women find Michael Scott attractive? Why do women appeal to Michael Scott? I guess because I'm an authority figure. Because I have a lot of power. Women are attracted to that. That's appealing to women. I think I'm a little bit of a bad boy. They're a little mystery to me. I don't just lay it all out there. I think, you know, you have to hold something back. I don't think I'm too shabby to look at. I wouldn't kick me out of bed for eating crackers. But I guess I think my comedy really is the, is the topper. That's the way to get in. You know, I think that's really what's the saying. Once they're laughing, once they're laughing, that's 50% of them being horizontal. So not that I'm just not that that's my, that's what I'm trying to do. But I think it helps, kind of melts the ice. Breaks the ice. Melts. Breaks the ice and melts them. Melts their hearts.

[Jenna Fischer]

I feel like Michael Scott could be on our episode today.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

With all these phrases that he's coining.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know.

[Jenna Fischer]

I looked in the script. This talking head is not in it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nope.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is not in our candy bag. Alts.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nope.

[Jenna Fischer]

I really think that this was just Steve improvising, just riffing.

[Angela Kinsey]

They just let the camera roll. I loved it. I also did catch the boom. Dipped. Really?

[Jenna Fischer]

All right.

[Angela Kinsey]

Little boom shadow. Boom shadow.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was what we would sing on set.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dwight is now drinking his coffee with his brand new purse. This is a new scene that's in the Superfan episode. Jim tells him, you know what? You should put some stuff in your purse, because if she's looking, you want to make sure it looks like you're using it. Right? So Dwight looks over at Katie and then starts shoving things into his purse.

[Jenna Fischer]

19 minutes, 24 seconds. Dwight is drinking coffee, as you mentioned, out of a football mug.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

But not a team mug. It's just a mug with a football on it that says football.

[Angela Kinsey]

I noticed this mug a few times in season one.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is the weirdest mug. I feel like if you could recreate this mug for someone, it would make an excellent deep cut gift for an office.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Also, there is so much background activity in this scene. Meredith is at the supply shelf. Stanley walks in and sits down. We all got up from our desks in season one. It's hilarious.

[Angela Kinsey]

We were very busy.

[Jenna Fischer]

We were.

[Angela Kinsey]

Kevin is now taking a look at the purses. He's gonna try to flirt with Katie by telling her he's in a Steve Miller tribute band. He says, do you like Steve Miller? She says, no, but here we have.

[Jenna Fischer]

To do it for people because it's so funny. Okay, I'll be coming.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you like Steve Miller? No, because I'm in a Steve Miller tribute.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I know. It's so funny. It's so funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

So good.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was an extra scene for the super fan.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, now Dwight and Michael are in Michael's office. They're looking at his computer lady. There's a moment here that I should have included in my Michael versus technology breakdown. It's so me. Oh, my God. I'm just Michael Scott when it comes to my desktop. I just. I need you to hear it.

[D]

I should never have let the temp touch this thing. I had all these great icons, and now I have four folders. So it's actually better this way. No, it's not because I could just click on the icon and then I'm on to Michael.

[Angela Kinsey]

Could I ask you something? He had all these icons, and now he has four folders, and it's.

[Jenna Fischer]

He doesn't know where anything is anymore.

[Angela Kinsey]

He doesn't.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what my desktop looks like?

[Jenna Fischer]

I do, I do. Mine looks like four folders.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mine is like shit everywhere.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know. Next up in the conference room, Stanley has just purchased a purse. And Michael is going to bring Katie an espresso from the machine. That is an incentive prize.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Stanley's like, wait a second, Michael. Isn't that meant to be the prize for the top salesman?

[Jenna Fischer]

And Michael's like, it cleans easily. Can clean it. Now we're gonna go to the kitchen. Jim enters, asks Dwight for his stapler. Dwight says, it's in my purse. Of course, everyone gets a little snicker.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I just love. Everyone just slowly looks up and reacts. But Dwight doesn't even turn around. He's just digging in the fridge.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Again, so much deep background movement back there in the annex. Devin is walking around.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everybody's in the kitchen or just behind the kitchen. Everybody just goes everywhere all at once.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so true.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now Michael is going to have Pam in his office. He's asking about his mail. But what he really wants to know is how girls her age feel about futons.

[Jenna Fischer]

I couldn't get through this scene.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, how could you? It's so ridiculous.

[Jenna Fischer]

Every time he said futon.

[Angela Kinsey]

Whatever. This relationship is with Katie is just so crazy. First of all, it's gonna give her $1,000 coffee maker if she took it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep.

[Angela Kinsey]

Give her a ride home. I don't know what happens with the futons.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, of course Pam is gonna go out and tell Jim all about this conversation. They're laughing about the futon when Roy comes in. He wants to make up with Pam. We talked about this last time.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's gonna tickle her into forgiving him.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, we discussed my dislike for tickling.

[Angela Kinsey]

Also, if I were to do what I call a cringe meter for this episode, this one would be a 9 on the cringe meter.

[Jenna Fischer]

This scene. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Poor Jim.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

They're literally almost leaning on him, laughing and tickling cringe meter number nine. And then Pam has this talking head that says, jim's a great guy. He's like a brother to her. They're best friends. She really hopes he finds someone. Pam, maybe say it enough until you believe it. Pam.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Does she wish? I don't think so. Because he's going to find someone in a second. And she's not all that happy about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's real sour about it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, Angela's in the conference room and she's looking at purses. And we talked a lot about this scene in our original breakdown.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. All of our dialogue between Angela and Katie's improvised in. We had a lot of fun, you can tell. Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

You guys were good together.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

I actually think there's a spin off with you, me and Amy, just like an improv show. Because that scene at the top was so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Purse girls come see us every Thursday night, 9:00pm oh, that's too late. Too late. Sorry. It's $35 to drink minimum. There is no parking.

[Jenna Fischer]

Starts at 4. Dwight is watching Angela and Katie through the window. And he is gonna get up his nerve to go in and ask her out, but she turns him down. She's pretty harsh. I was like, oh, made me sad.

[Angela Kinsey]

We are now gonna have a Dwight talking head. It's a pretty famous Dwight talking head. He outlines what his idea of a perfect date is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Of course, there's ninjas, there's knives, there's blood, there's poison.

[Angela Kinsey]

But he knew about it all along, guys.

[Jenna Fischer]

She was in on it all along.

[Angela Kinsey]

But he knew.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, right.

[Angela Kinsey]

He knew she was in on it.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right. Luann crosses twice in the background of this talking head. Creed crosses Devin. Then at the end, Creed again. I was just like. There's so much crossing. Also, what's really hilarious is that both Creed and Luann cross into the accounting nook by your desk, Angela. Which means that they would cross there and just stand there and then come.

[Angela Kinsey]

Out and cross right back.

[Jenna Fischer]

But where do they. They must have just been standing in the corner.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know why they're crossing to accounting. I'm in the conference room.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're with Katie trying to buy a purse.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

What are they doing at your desk? They're messing with your stuff.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm snooping around.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, dear. Now Michael is gonna ask Ryan for some help cleaning out his car.

[Angela Kinsey]

This is one of my favorite scenes.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's one of my favorite scenes of the whole series. Blue Blast.

[Angela Kinsey]

Blue Blast. Blue is not a flavor. No, all of it. Oh, and he wants the Arctic Blast and the passenger side cup holder. Yeah, that's ready for you. Katie, this is what you're missing.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know.

[Angela Kinsey]

You don't get the convertible. You don't get the Arctic Blast. You don't get the coffee maker.

[Jenna Fischer]

25 minutes and 8 seconds, Fakie water bottle label, and then fakie blue blast label. Fakie labels.

[Angela Kinsey]

Fakie labels. She's tracking it. She's tracking that. And who's crossing where I am. Well, now Jim is going to go into the conference room, and. What a smooth operator.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, Jenna F. From Los Angeles wants to know how much of this was improv.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I will tell you. Per the shooting draft, this is what was scripted. Jim approaches Katie. It says, he sidles up to her. He says, hi, I'm Jim. Katie says, hi. The rest is improv.

[Jenna Fischer]

What?

[Angela Kinsey]

The rest is improv until it gets to the part where he says, don't try to sell me anything. I just want to learn. Everything else is improv. This is improv. I'm Katie. Well, hi, Katie. Nice to meet you. You sit out there, don't you? I do. It's what I'm best known for, sitting out there. All right, let's talk about purses. But just talk to me seriously. That was all improvised.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wow. So good.

[Angela Kinsey]

So good.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jim is very smooth when he wants to be, huh?

[Angela Kinsey]

Did he flip the charm switch or what?

[Jenna Fischer]

He waited till the end of the day. Everybody was coming at her all day. Yeah, he played it so cool.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're gonna go back to Michael's car. And I love this. This is the scene where he finds all the filet o fish wrappers, and.

[Angela Kinsey]

He'S like, the smell alike.

[Jenna Fischer]

How many filet o fishes do you eat? And Michael is like, that's from a couple of months. Like, still.

[Angela Kinsey]

Ryan goes still. And then. And then this is where we find out about his smell alike cologne.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

That Ryan's still on the stick. In the straw. Still in the straw. How many times have you done that?

[Jenna Fischer]

I know you, like, pull it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you rub it. I've done this so many times.

[Jenna Fischer]

Now he can throw it away.

[Angela Kinsey]

Now he can.

[Jenna Fischer]

But now this scene is expanded, and Michael is gonna ask Ryan to hook him up with some great music to play.

[Angela Kinsey]

I love this scene. I have talked about it. He wants Ryan's recommendations. And Ryan says, do you like hip hop? Indie rock? The Strokes? The Hives? The Fleebles? Oh, Michael's like, yes to the Fleebles.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. The Glorbs loves them.

[Angela Kinsey]

Glorps loves them.

[Jenna Fischer]

While they're having this conversation at 26 minutes and 59 seconds, there is this angle on the parking lot, and there is this brick wall behind the car. And, you know, this is because this was a real parking lot at a real building. But once we move locations, you will never see this brick wall again. And I thought it was interesting that we didn't try to recreate that.

[Angela Kinsey]

The brick wall.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

We let it go.

[Jenna Fischer]

We let it go. We were like, where? I mean, I guess I'm not surprised, because what were we gonna build? A brick wall, But I don't know. Brick wall.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, I want you to know that there was a Ryan talking head that would have come right after this scene. It's in the shooting draft. It's not in deleted scenes. It did not make it into the super fan episode. And it read simply like this. Ryan has a smug look on his face. He looks to Cameron, says, michael's really into indie rock. He's into bands I've never even heard of. And then he laughs.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now Pam is hanging out at Jim's desk. She's bored. She's like, what are you doing for the weekend?

[Angela Kinsey]

I'll tell you what he's doing this weekend.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's going out with Katie.

[Angela Kinsey]

He sure is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, Pam's face.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, Pam's face. And guess what she's gonna do.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

She's gonna help Roy's cousin move. Oh, the romance.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. She has this line where she says, we're gonna help Roy's cousin move because Roy's got a truck. Well, this made me laugh, because when Lee and I started dating, he said he always had to help people move because he had an Isuzu trooper. He was like.

[Angela Kinsey]

He was the guy with the big car.

[Jenna Fischer]

There was. He's like, it's a real thing. Yeah, it's a real thing. The person with the big car.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's true. I do remember that I had a friend with a truck and he moved everybody.

[Jenna Fischer]

Exactly.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's true. Well, I want to point out when Pam sort of sadly walks back to reception, there is no plant. Oh, there's no plan at reception?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, there's not. Well, now Michael's going to have another talking head where he's talking again about being a ladies man.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, I love this talking head so much, lady. Because this is part of this runner of Michael's desktop being messed up by Ryan. Ryan has only tried to help him clean up his computer, but now guess what? He can't find.

[Jenna Fischer]

Can't find maps.

[Angela Kinsey]

Can't find maps. And this has now been woven into the super fan version of this talking head. I think we should hear it.

[D]

I think in order to be a ladies man, it's imperative that people don't know you're a ladies man. So I kind of play that close to the chest. Ryan where are my maps? You know, you don't like to flaunt it. Where do I go to get maps? I mean, but it's not like I'm showing off. Ryan.

[Angela Kinsey]

What.

[D]

What did you do to my computer? I'm supposed to have maps. Right? But where. They see me as a. As a big, powerful businessman here kind of swaggers around a little bit. It's really not even fair.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[D]

What can I say? Women are attracted to power. And I think other people have told me I have a very symmetrical face. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they're right. I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just love it so much. First of all, I love it in any kind of show or writing that you get to, like, watch when there are two things happening to a person. So it's like he's trying to talk about what a great catch he is, but at the same time, he's like, where are my maps?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's getting so irritated.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, now it's the end of the day, and here's that moment I said, Dwight goes over and gives Kelly his mini briefcase, purse.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then Pam is gonna apply lip gloss kind of shyly. And then the cameraman catches it, and she's embarrassed. That's cringe factor 10.

[Jenna Fischer]

I so remembered doing this scene. And have you ever, like, had this happen before? I feel like I have this stored in my body from my youth or something where, like, you know, you're gonna see maybe a cute boy that you like, and so you put on a lipstick or you put on mascara.

[Angela Kinsey]

You do something.

[Jenna Fischer]

You do something, and then to just kind of, like, get noticed. But then when you see yourself in the mirror, you realize how it's just, like, too much, and then you feel, like, all cringey inside.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You don't feel like you're a real version of yourself. You were trying to not be you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. We've all done it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Well, now everyone's leaving for the day. It's dark out. Everyone's walking to their cars. At the same time, Michael's walking out with Katie and Jim. And this is when we find out that Jim is just going to give Katie a ride home after they get drinks.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Michael's like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Mm.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, as they're walking out, did you hear Katie's line, which I think has to be an improv by Amy?

[Angela Kinsey]

What? What?

[Jenna Fischer]

She goes. Everyone's like, good night. Good night. And she goes, good night. It was nice to meet some of you.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's very funny. She was so good as Katie. Well, Jim is gonna open the door for his Corolla for Katie. This is more of Smooth Jim.

[Jenna Fischer]

So charming.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Pam is gonna sadly watch from the window of Roy's truck.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, the truck that we talked about the first time that David Denman and I got left in when the entire production wrapped for the day. We were still sitting there waiting to do another take.

[Angela Kinsey]

But he's good company. So if you're going to be stuck somewhere. But the Superfan episode does not end there. We end now with a Michael talking head. He is still talking about his American Way magazines. He says, did you know that when Doris Roberts is in Phoenix, she likes to eat at Harter's? She loves barbecue.

[Jenna Fischer]

Who knew?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, he also read a profile on Corbin Bernson and he learned that he used to play Little League.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, he also read a profile on Bronson Pinchot and his adventures in Tuscany. That was very charming.

[Angela Kinsey]

He also read profiles on red buttons.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, he really loves that magazine.

[Angela Kinsey]

He loves it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, everyone, that was the super fan episode of Hot Girl. I really loved rewatching it with all that extra footage. I really did.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I want to watch the whole series again now. I mean, I know all of you listening have watched it so many times all the way through, but I want to do it again.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I feel the same way. I liked going back. So listen, if there are any more Superfan episodes that are some of your very favorites, let us know. Write to us in Dear Office Ladies, we want to know which super fan episodes or just which episodes do you love the most? We will rewatch them.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Now Office Ladies 6.0 is going to start its holiday break. But don't worry, Second Drink will continue through the holidays on Mondays, so you all have a safe and happy holidays. Please know how much we appreciate you and we'll see you in 2025.

[Jenna Fischer]

And if you take nothing else from this episode, just remember the moral of the story is that if two things look the same, that doesn't mean that they are.

[Angela Kinsey]

And you know what? If all else fails, blow it out the window.

[Jenna Fischer]

We'll see you next year. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.

[Angela Kinsey]

Office Ladies is a presentation of Odyssey and is produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.

[Jenna Fischer]

Our executive producer is Cassie Jerkins, our audio engineer is Sam Kiefer, and our associate producer is Ainsley Bubaco.

[Angela Kinsey]

Odyssey's executive producers are Jenna Weiss Berman and Leah Reese.

[Jenna Fischer]

Dennis Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Basil.

[Angela Kinsey]

Our theme song is Rubber Tree by Creed Bratton.

[Jenna Fischer]

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