The Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast with Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

Summary

Office Ladies x Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast — Detailed Summary

Podcast: Office Ladies
Episode: The Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast with Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey, joined by Patrick Hines & Jennifer Simard (Golden Girls Deep Dive Hosts)

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Episode Overview

In this special crossover, Office Ladies co-hosts (and stars of The Office) Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey join Patrick Hines and Jennifer Simard from the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast. The episode centers on the legacy, comfort, and chemistry of both The Office and The Golden Girls, comparing what makes each series timeless. The group reminisces about sitcom culture, working with guest stars, lasting friendships, iconic props, and dish on behind-the-scenes moments and the impact of their shows. The episode also contains a lively discussion of the Golden Girls’ episode “Dorothy’s New Friend” and its thematic resonance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Timelessness of Sitcoms: The Office and The Golden Girls

• Relatability: Both shows resonate across generations due to their focus on authentic relationships, universal life themes, and memorable character archetypes.
• Angela Kinsey (15:50):

  "The Golden Girls and The Office and shows like them that stand the test of time have relationships that people connect with...whether you’re at a hospital or a homeroom classroom, there’s always a Dwight...and there’s probably a persnickety Angela."

• Jenna Fischer (17:36):

  “Golden Girls wasn’t afraid to get dramatic...it rings all the comedy bells, but then every once in a while tugs at your heartstrings.”

2. Emotional Range in Comedy

• Sitcoms Can Make You Cry: Both shows blend humor with meaningful drama.
• Jenna Fischer (18:57):

  “We could pull the camera back and observe these more private, intimate moments....100% I think we do come from that tradition.”

• Angela Kinsey (19:17):

  “Golden Girls is just classic television comedy writing...each character is their own little season and spice...and the Office had that, too.”

3. Behind the Podcast: Creating Office Ladies

• Organic Origins: It started with Jenna and Angela cleaning out closets, organizing memorabilia, and wanting to preserve stories for their families.
• Jenna Fischer (27:02):

  “Angela and I wanted to work together again...there is nothing like going to work every day with your very best friend.”

• Angela Kinsey (29:18):

  “We started this project...to clean out our sheds and closets...and we found boxes of Office memorabilia. We weren’t sure what we’d do with them...We just wanted to preserve it for our kids.”

4. Guest Stars – Challenges and Joys

• Respect for Guest Stars: Office stars share stories about Amy Adams, Idris Elba, and Kathy Bates—how large stars were willing to blend in and play team despite their fame.
• Jenna Fischer (37:54):

  “Amy Adams did her first episode...when she was now Academy Award nominee Amy Adams, she still came back and did four lines and sat on a boat for Booze Cruise.”

• Angela Kinsey (39:07):

  “When I think of someone who walked on the set and it was like electricity went through the room, it’s Idris Elba.”

5. Sitcom Memorabilia Wish List

• Golden Girls Props:
  • Jenna would “take anything from the kitchen...the tablecloth, any of the kitchen decor, or Blanche’s yellow pants suit” (32:24).
  • Angela wants “the wicker chair from the living room set” (33:02).
  • Jennifer and Patrick offer comedic takes, from the front door (!) to the infamous copper lobster mold (looks like a penis, 33:41).

6. Crossover Connections

• The “Zbornak” Story:
  • Dorothy’s surname in Golden Girls is a direct nod to Office co-exec producer Kent Zbornak, who worked for both Susan Harris and on The Office (20:40; 21:00).
  • Kent shared that Bea Arthur “became like a second mother to him” (21:10).

7. Iconic Quotes & Fandom

• Office & Golden Girls Quotes:
  • Angela recounts being yelled at in public:
    "People will see you...and yell, you know, like 'green is whorish.' And you’re like, what? Oh yes, right, of course." (23:14)
  • “Pam, you’re missing things!” is a shout in Patrick’s household (48:26), and “Save Bandit!” for Angela (49:22).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On What Makes Lasting Sitcoms (Angela, 17:12):

  “Shows have such huge themes about life and love and loss and trying to find your way...that’s what people connect to.”

• On Working With Famous Guest Stars (Jenna, 40:14):

  “We had to be there all day, every day...and I cannot tell you how many humongous stars...came through our doors and just what incredible artists they were.”

• On Friendship and Healing (Jenna, 61:26):

  “My friendship with Angela is a healing friendship...It heals me every day. I just love it so much.”

• “There are seasons of friendship” (Angela, 63:12):

  “Some people come into your life for that season...and then you have people that are going to grow with you, and that’s the true, true friendships.”

• On Iconic Moments (Angela, 52:07):

  “If I could go on Golden Girls, I would want to be there the day Burt Reynolds shows up to the front door!”

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• [14:27] – Office/Golden Girls Relationship & Sitcom Longevity
• [17:36] – The Legacy of Golden Girls & Nuanced Performances
• [18:57] – Emotional Underpinnings in Comedy
• [27:02] – Origins of Office Ladies Podcast
• [32:08] – What Golden Girls Props Would You Steal?
• [36:48] – On Guest Stars: Amy Adams, Idris Elba, Kathy Bates
• [48:26] – Iconic Office Quotes in Real Life
• [53:26] – If Pam & Angela Lived in a Golden Girls-Style House
• [54:03] – Jenna’s Question: First Impressions & Friendship
• [61:26] – Deeper Dive: Friendship as Healing
• [65:32] – Jenna’s Upcoming Stage Role; Angela’s Cookbook

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Additional Highlights

Friendship Dynamics

• Discussion on “seasons of friendship” — how friends come and go, some last, some don’t, and that’s natural.
• Both shows highlight the power of chosen family and long-term bonds.

Real-Life Projects & Aspirations

• Jenna’s Play (“Ashland Avenue”): Opening at the Goodman Theater (65:32); reflects on dream of returning to her theater roots.
• Angela’s Cookbook (“You Can Make This!”): Inspiration, accessibility, and dedication to spreading joy through food (69:07).

Fandom & Pop Culture Impact

• Stories of fans yelling lines, the show’s comfort during hard times, and the generational staying power of both sitcoms.

Audience Questions

• Dream “Golden Girls” guest spots, golden props, dream mashup scenes (e.g., Dwight & Sophia, Michael & Blanche), and where they’d live as Golden Girl archetypes.

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Tone & Language

The episode is vibrant, affectionate, and self-reflective, with the hosts and guests bringing authentic humor, warm nostalgia, and deep respect for both their craft and their friendship. The group frequently affectionately teases each other, shares personal stories, and expresses mutual admiration.

Notable exchange:

• Jenna Fischer (68:13): “He always says to me, ‘You can make this!’ That’s why it’s the title of the cookbook.”
• Angela Kinsey (61:26): “My friendship with Jenna is a healing friendship...It heals me every day.”

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Final Thoughts

This crossover episode was a celebration of sitcom history, the depth and nuance possible in “comfort TV,” and the lasting joy of creative collaboration and true friendship. Fans of The Office and The Golden Girls alike will find insight, laughter, and a few touching life lessons in this spirited conversation.

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Transcript

[Angela Kinsey]

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[Jenna Fischer]

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[Angela Kinsey]

Hi there.

[Jenna Fischer]

So I am still in Chicago. I'm still doing my play and I'm gonna be here a little bit longer because we just found out that my play, Ashland Avenue has been extended again to October 19th. So if you haven't had a chance to see it, please come see it. Oh, it's Crazy. I've had the best time.

[Angela Kinsey]

It has been such a joy to watch you on this journey, lady.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, I can't believe it. Every night I go out there and, you know, sometimes we have two shows a day. I just can't wait to do these scenes. I just love them. It's like I look forward to each scene for a different reason. There's like some moment that one of the other actors. I can't wait to watch them do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Isn't that so fun to just get to watch and marvel at your co stars like moment?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

The actor who plays my dad, Fran Guinan, I am constantly marveling at him. I just, you know, the other woman in the play with me, her name is Cordelia Dudeney and she is so, so good. And we only get one scene together. It's only like three pages. It's short, but it's so good. It's. Oh, I look forward to it every night. I can't wait. As soon as she walks in the door, I'm like, yes, here we go.

[Angela Kinsey]

Here we go.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Also, you saw the show. You saw how funny C.H. johnson is. He plays my husband Mike in the play. Can you believe that? Before this play, he said he doesn't. He doesn't really do comedies. He does dramas. Mostly dramas. I was like, what? What? No way.

[Angela Kinsey]

He's so hilarious in the play.

[Jenna Fischer]

He is so funny. He gets the biggest laughs in the play. And we have this really funny scene together. I look forward to it every night. It's an Act 2. I love it so much.

[Angela Kinsey]

I loved all of your scenes together. You guys have such fun chemistry. And I cannot believe he doesn't normally do comedies. He's so funny.

[Jenna Fischer]

And Angela, we didn't talk about this on our Friday chit chat a while back. Will Allen, who's another actor in the play, he is an office trivia champion. We have to have him on the podcast. Lady.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. You know, I met him when I came to see your play, and he told me he paid his rent by winning office trivia quizzes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. During the pandemic. That's right. And his team, they won the national online competition twice. And they're like the number one team in Chicago. Do you know what their name is?

[Angela Kinsey]

It's an office deep cut. What is it? I'm guessing, is it. Is it an office reference?

[Jenna Fischer]

It is.

[Angela Kinsey]

What is it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Who's your worm guy?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, nice. It's a creed line. It is perfect.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's pretty great, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's so great. Well, lady, while you're doing your play, I'm gearing up for my cookbook tour.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, you're leaving so soon. It's happening.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's happening. We got the book. We got to hold it. It's beautiful. I'm so proud of it. And I can't wait to meet people and just, you know, get our cookbook out in the world.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're going out to sign cookbooks, tell people where you're going. You're going to three cities, right?

[Angela Kinsey]

We're going to three cities so far. And I'll put all this in our stories, but we are going to New Jersey, we're going to Dallas, and we are going to Santa Monica. And also we're going to be in New York. We're going to be doing a little fun pop up things in New York City like the Today show, the Sheri Show. I think we're doing some, some man on the street stuff. Maybe. I have no idea.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know in New York, you and Josh running around.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I mean, it's gonna be an adventure for sure. But the book is great and I can't wait for people to get it.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know what I just realized? This is the year that we both got to bring projects to the world with our husbands.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

How cool is that?

[Angela Kinsey]

Really cool. Really cool. And so special.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's really special, right? Because it's like, here's the love of your life and something together and you're putting it out in the world. You have like this creative thing that you created together. It's so cool.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, Lady New Year's Rev premiered at the Toronto Film Festival.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know. And it's.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, huge. Amazing reception. Like, people love this movie. People love it. I can't wait until we can announce when this movie is coming out because people love it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just saw a critic, like a little blurb and I'm gonna paraphrase this, but they had seen the movie and they said something like, green Day has made the next big teen or great teen movie. Something like that.

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, it's amazing. I'm so proud to be in it. It's so cool. Oh, my gosh. Listen to us.

[Angela Kinsey]

Okay, okay, sorry everybody.

[Jenna Fischer]

We're excited about the stuff we're doing and that's great. Right? It's good to be excited about the stuff you're doing in life, I think, especially if you're an artist. That's what we do.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we're also behind the scenes working on new episodes for Office Ladies that are so fun. And this week, we're going to run our appearance on another Odyssey podcast, the Golden Girls Deep Dive. It's hosted by Patrick Hines and Jennifer Simard.

[Jenna Fischer]

These two are so funny. Every week, they break down an episode of the Golden Girls. They do a really great job. Back in June, they had us on their podcast for an interview. We had the best time. They asked us to watch an episode of Golden Girls. We don't do, like, a full breakdown of it, but we do discuss it. Lady, it was so crazy to revisit that show.

[Angela Kinsey]

It makes me want to rewatch the whole show. I mean, it's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what surprised me, I think. And we kind of talk about this in our interview with them was, like, how good.

[Angela Kinsey]

It was so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

The nuance and the performances and the comedy. It was so, so good.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, when we were prepping to do it, I read this article in Southern Living magazine that has the 65 best golden girls quotes. And reading them, Jenna, it made me laugh out loud just reading the quotes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Is it sort of like reading a bunch of Joe Bennett quotes?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, it is. Okay, here's one. I'll just read you one. Cause there's 65. Dorothy. This is a quote from Dorothy. Go to sleep, sweetheart. Pray for brains.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what I'm saying. That feels like something maybe Joe Bennett would say. I feel like Dorothy and Joe Bennett maybe have the same hundred percent.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, lady, I sent you a quiz because I thought we should find out which Golden Girl we are.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. You know, I can share both of these articles in our stories because they made me laugh, and I think they're gonna make you crack up too. But this quiz was great. And, Jen, I'm really curious to hear who you got.

[Jenna Fischer]

Who do you think I was? I think you might think I'm Dorothy.

[Angela Kinsey]

I think you are Dorothy.

[Jenna Fischer]

I was Rose.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh. You were Rose.

[Jenna Fischer]

I guess. I don't know. I answered all the questions, and I got Rose.

[Angela Kinsey]

Who do you think I got?

[Jenna Fischer]

Rose.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. We're two Roses.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think we are. I think we're two people who just, like, have a lot of fun in life and, like, I don't know, maybe I can't. All the ways we don't understand modern technology make us Rose. I don't know.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's probably true. Although there were one or two questions that I felt like I was kind of teetering on that I feel like could have made me a Dorothy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Same. Same. I think that I'm not a Blanche.

[Angela Kinsey]

We're. I think we're Rose with the side of Dorothy.

[Jenna Fischer]

There it is. Aw. Well, everyone, I hope you enjoy listening to this interview. You know, since we have both been so busy with some of our other projects, we leaned on some of our friends and other podcasts to interview us, and then we get to share it with you. So we really hope you enjoy it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Have a great weekend, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

At long last, I get to say the words, hello, Mother Cheesecake.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hello, Papa.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, we're so happy. You are so beautiful. You are glowing. You are radiant. You are the moment. You are the icon. I am so happy to be back in the studio with you.

[Jennifer Simard]

I have missed you and cheesecakes. I have noticed that we've started saying cheesies, and I might like it even more than cheesecakes.

[Patrick Hines]

I love the cheesies.

[Jennifer Simard]

I love the cheesies.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm seeing the cheesies on the road. They are always asking me about you. We send you videos. They love you. How are you?

[Jennifer Simard]

I'm great. I've missed you. I'm so glad to be back. I thought our graham cracker crust killed it.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, Steve is the greatest. I know, I know. He worked so hard. He was so excited to be here. He really wanted to, like, do you justice.

[Jennifer Simard]

Listen, we. We are a team, and I love teamwork. My parents raised me. My mom was my softball coach, my dad, my brother's baseball coach, and more than anything, they stressed the power and importance of teamwork. So I'm so proud to be part of this team.

[Patrick Hines]

I love you so much. But we are getting to this episode, this interview with the Office ladies, Angela and Jenna from the Office. Ladies from the Office. I am obsessed. I cannot wait to talk to them.

[Jennifer Simard]

I can't wait either.

[Patrick Hines]

Before we get there, I just want to ask you, what was it like to go viral? Like, a hundred times.

[Jenna Fischer]

It was so incredible.

[Jennifer Simard]

And, you know the best part is it's not something that was manipulated from our show.

[Patrick Hines]

No.

[Jennifer Simard]

Where in the number. Hit me. I have this line. This is. That was rude. That was pretty effing rude. And of course, I say the real word. Yeah, but. And it just took off. So it happened while I was sleeping, so to speak, and I woke up, and here's this viral moment.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, unreal. Like, I saw you. Like, Madonna did it.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, that is crazy.

[Jennifer Simard]

Crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

It was everywhere. It was all over the Internet. We're gonna get way more into this in the future. But, like, the Tonys, you were Nominated. It was glorious. How was it for you?

[Jennifer Simard]

It was incredible. You know, I got to be nominated with Megan, my co star, was perfection.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jennifer Simard]

And then to be among those women, one of whom is Audra McDonald. And I've known her since she was Audra Ann McDonald.

[Patrick Hines]

Is that right?

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah. I met her singing at St. Clair's Hospital, which is no longer there with Seth Rudetsky. And that day I met Norm Lewis.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Simard]

And Audra. And her name at that time was Audra Ann. And she was in between her first audition for Carousel and her callback no Way, which ended up being her first Tony Award and changed everything for her.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

You know, and we're the same age, you know, so it's just. It was so special. We're like, we're still here, you know, and we just kind of sent each other supportive messages and that was really great.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what I love, because tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it doesn't feel competitive between the nominees that you are all really supporting each other.

[Jennifer Simard]

It's inherently competitive because that's technically what it is. But if you don't treat it that way and just have fun, then it really is the right way to do it. And that's, I believe, the way we try to approach it all.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, cheesies. Listen, if you will allow it, we're gonna do a whole talk about your last couple of months. Cause you've been away, you've been so busy, like, everything has gone crazy for you. But right now, we need to get to this interview with Angela and Jenna from the Office. From the Office Ladies podcast. I gotta tell you, we work with a company called Odyssey. They are the ones who sell our ads for us. They support us, they've been marketing us. They have been so, so supportive of this podcast. And from the beginning, we were like, it'd be such a dream because Angela and Jenna work with them as well. And we were like, it'd be such a dream to get them. And like, we're going to really try to make this happen. And as far back as Christmas, both Angela and Jenna wanted to do this interview. They just are so busy and had so much going on, it finally made sense for them to do it. Now we're going to have a bunch of social media. So go to our social media so you can see some of the videos of this conversation that we're about to have. I'm so delighted. I can't wait to talk with you with them.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah, me too.

[Patrick Hines]

And you know One of the things we're going to talk about is the Barbara Thorndike episode of the Golden Girls for a million reasons, but, like, technically, I have so many questions for them about being a guest star, what it takes to be a good guest star. Working with guest stars.

[Jennifer Simard]

They're the experts.

[Patrick Hines]

I've got a lot of questions about this. Just about, you know, their podcast superstars. How did that happen? It's going to be a great conversation. So shall we dive in?

[Jennifer Simard]

Let's dive in.

[Patrick Hines]

So, Jenna Fisher, Angela Kinsey. I cannot tell you what an honor this is to be on a zoom, not just with the two of you, but with Jennifer Simard as well. Like, I don't know what I did in this life to get to be on this zoom with the three of you. We are overwhelmed. We are honored. Our listeners have been begging for this crossover forever. So welcome to the Golden Girls Deep Dive Podcast.

[Angela Kinsey]

Welcome.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you so much for having us.

[Angela Kinsey]

We are excited. Yeah, we're so tickled.

[Jennifer Simard]

I have to say. I love that. It's a glasses convention. We're all wearing eyeglasses, cheesecakes. Yes. We love it, don't we?

[Jenna Fischer]

Season of life.

[Angela Kinsey]

It is. And I want to be able to see you.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah, that part. That part right there.

[Patrick Hines]

You two are such big stars. I was waiting for, like, the presidential, like, please hold for Angela Kinsey and Jenna Fisher. And then you pop in very officially, but you're so down to earth. You're just like the rest of us.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Angela and I are. We're besties, and we do the podcast together, and we do all the other things together, too, like organize each other's closets. And we don't have assistants or anything.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's just.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Angela Kinsey]

Just us gals. Just us gals.

[Patrick Hines]

Jen refuses to organize my closet. I've been begging and begging and begging.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, it's so fun to do it.

[Jennifer Simard]

Together, but I don't have months. I don't have mine is the problem.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's how long it would take.

[Jennifer Simard]

Oh, sorry, Patrick.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jennifer Simard]

So sorry. Listen, here's the thing. We all know, as huge fans, you are both sitcom icons. I mean, icons. The Office is an iconic sitcom. It's lasted the test of time, as has the Golden Girls. It's also an iconic sitcom. What is your relationship to the Golden Girls, and what do you think it is about shows like yours and the Golden Girls that make them so timeless? If you had to guess.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well, gosh, you know, to be able to be a part of a show that people keep connecting to over the years, over and over multiple generations. You can't even believe that you won that lottery ticket. And we all grew up with shows like that. We all grew up with shows that we watched with our parents when we didn't even hang out with them otherwise. Right. In those teen years. And so that's really meaningful. And I think the Golden Girls and the Office and shows like them that stand the test of time have relationships that people connect with. Right. And Jen and I, we've sort of seen this as we go out in the world. Like, whether you're at a hospital or you're at a homeroom classroom, there's always a Dwight. Right. And it doesn't matter where you work, there's probably a persnickety Angela.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And then you've gotta have that relationship you're rooting for. And I think for the Golden Girls, it's that. That sisterhood. Right. And for the Office, it was Jim and Pam. I like to think some people were rooting for Dwight and Angela.

[Patrick Hines]

I 100% was. I was like, somebody's got to set him right. She's the only one who can do it.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's right. That's right. Her and her clipboard.

[Patrick Hines]

I married an Angela, by the way. So I totally, 100%, I married, like, the child of Angela and Pam. Steve is the marriage of those two characters. So I. I very much relate to that dynamic well.

[Angela Kinsey]

I just think those shows have such huge themes about life and love and loss and trying to find your way. And whether they're set in a sort of community in Florida or in a small office, that's what people connect to. You know, it's not that we work at a paper company.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's not it.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's that journey of life that happens.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. I agree with all of that. So I watched the Golden Girls when it was on. Oh, yes. Everybody else. Appointment viewing.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Appointment television. Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. One of my favorite shows, and I hadn't watched it in forever until we said we were going to do this collaboration. But then something that I remembered in watching it was like, how Golden Girls wasn't afraid to get dramatic. Like, all these storylines started flooding in for me, and I was like, I think that might be part of it, too, is that, you know, it rings all the comedy bells, but then every once in a while, it kind of like, ooh, it tugs at your heartstrings.

[Angela Kinsey]

Or makes you think about something like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you think in that vein that the office comes from that sort of lineage. Because the Office certainly has. I was thinking, too, about, like, there are moments when you see Angela cry, and those are some of the most emotional moments of the Office for me. Like, Pam is such a sweet soul, but you. You know, and my God, the Pam's arc towards the end, like, it's. It's very tear jerky. But I. I do think it surprises people when they go back and look at the Golden Girls, that there are moments you could cry. There are moments that are really drowning. And, you know, do you think that the. The Office comes from that sort of tradition in sitcom?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I think a little bit. I mean, I. I know that that was kind of one of the gifts of the way we shot the show was that we could pull the camera back and we could observe these more private, intimate moments of characters, which is something you don't get to do a lot in comedy. And so. Yeah, I mean, 100%.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. And I think Golden Girls is just classic television comedy writing. You know, you have each character is their own little season and spice, and they bring something unique. They have a unique point of view, and you can count on that point of view, and you get excited for it. You know, Sofia. Right. You know what? She's gonna deliver.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And I think the Office had that too. Your characters, they grow a little bit, but they don't grow so much that they're still not who you want them to be. And that's just great. Great comedy writing.

[Jennifer Simard]

Also, great performing, great acting. Cause you are such beautiful actors in your show. And so, too, are the gold. The actors in the Golden Girls. And give me any actor who's capable of. And I guarantee you they can be a sad clown when they need to be, but it's not always true in reverse. So my hat's off to both of you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Thank you.

[Jennifer Simard]

Just very gratifying.

[Jenna Fischer]

We have a Golden Girls Office crossover.

[Angela Kinsey]

We do, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

What is it?

[Angela Kinsey]

And I was so tickled when we heard it in this episode.

[Jenna Fischer]

Tell me, what are you talking about? I'm talking about Kent Zbornak.

[Angela Kinsey]

Me too. Because the inscription in the book that Barbara gives Dorothy, it says, to Dorothy Zaborak. And I said, oh, my gosh, I just heard his name in the episode.

[Jennifer Simard]

That's right.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, that's right. Our co exec producer, Kent Zabornak, was an assistant to Susan Harris, and she liked his last name so much that when she had to name Dorothy, she gave Dorothy the last name Zbornak.

[Jennifer Simard]

And then that's the origin story.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But I didn't Realize that he also worked on the Office. That's incredible.

[Angela Kinsey]

He did produce for those first seasons. That really developed the whole show. And he's wonderful. And that is just. It just tickled us when we found that out.

[Jenna Fischer]

And he did end up. He also worked on Golden Girls. And he told us. Cause we asked him. We were like, zabornak. That's a very specific name. And he said that when he did eventually meet Bea Arthur and she found out that her character was, you know, his namesake, he said she was so kind, and she almost became like a second mother to him. He just loved her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God. So sweet.

[Patrick Hines]

That is incredible. I wanted to ask the two of you as actors, the thing about the Golden Girls is it's never been off the air, right? Like, it's from the day it was on for four decades now, it's never been off the air. It's one of those comfort shows. And when we were asking our listeners what they wanted to know about from you all, one of the questions that you get in a bunch of different ways is sort of, what is it like for you as actors to know? Like, I mean, in my house, we've watched the Office straight through no fewer than eight, nine times. And I mean, that is a commitment. But now you can get through it in three months or whatever, you know? And what does it feel like for you all to know that, like, this is going to outlive you? No question. Like, it'll be around long after we leave this plane, you know, and not very, very, very few shows, I think, have that kind of history eventually. How does it feel to be a part of that?

[Jenna Fischer]

I mean, it's very humbling. And also it's very moving to me. I mean, I know that we. Our show, the Office, it does everything from just be on the background while people make dinner to helping people while they're going through a medical crisis. You know, I can't tell you how many people tell us, oh, this is what we watch to get through chemotherapy or this helped me when I was grieving the loss of someone. And so to be that kind of comfort and constant, it takes something that was just the most fun thing in the world to do a comedy television show into feeling so meaningful. And I'm so happy, you know?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I mean, I think we just sit in a lot of gratitude. And it was so much fun to do. And, you know, I had this writing professor that said, what's a pleasure to write is a pleasure to read. And I always thought about that when we were on the set because we were having so much fun and I just was like, surely I hope people watch this and have that same joy that we have doing it. We spent most our days trying not to ruin each other's scenes because we were laughing so hard. And that was just what a gift. And to know that it has such meaning and that will just go on and on. It's very surreal, it's special, it's humbling, like Jenna said. And then it's also kind of strange sometimes because I forget. You just go about your life. You're at the grocery store or whatever, you're dropping your kid off at soccer practice and that part of your life is on the back burner in your mind and someone will see you and yell, you know, like green is whorish. And you're like, what? What? And then you're like, oh yes, right, of course. That's right. You guys have heard us talk about Acorns before. It is a simple tool that's going to help you save and you know at different times in your life you have different goals. I remember when I got my first job and my dad helped me set up a banking account so I could save money for the things I wanted. And I remember so proud that I was saving money. Acorns makes it easy to give your money a chance to grow. Here's how it works. You don't need to be a finance whiz. Acorns puts your money into an expert built portfolio to make sure you're investing wisely and not wildly. Sign up now and Acorns will boost your new account with a $5 bonus investment. Join the over 14 million all time customers who have already saved and invested over $25 billion with Acorns. Head to acorns.com officeladies or download the Acorns app to get started. Paid non client endorsement compensation provides incentive to positively promote Acorns tier 2 compensation provided investing involves risk. Acorn Advisors LLC and SEC registered investment.

[Jenna Fischer]

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[Jennifer Simard]

Now, I'm going to combine this a little bit, but like, what does that feel like? You said earlier there's been a learning curve, which is so humble of you to even say, but of course there is, as anything in life. But you know, what inspired you to make the podcast in the first place? And was it important to you that it wasn't just a recap podcast? So you know all of those as the legitimate podcast stars you are?

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I think one of the biggest things was ever since the office ended, Angela and I wanted to work together again.

[Angela Kinsey]

Nice.

[Jenna Fischer]

There is nothing like getting to go to work every day with your very best friend, the person you trust the most. And so we were always looking for that opportunity and we didn't know what that was. We were like, is it a TV show? We would joke that we wanted to take over the fourth hour of the day and just drink wine and chat in the mornings with people about these events. We were like, we just need to be best friends, working together. But then the other thing that was happening after the office was we were like full time. Like now we were in the season of our lives with our young children and going off to a set for like 12, 14 hours a day was really hard on our mom hearts. And we would talk about that too. We would say, how can we have a really fun, creative job that we do together that also allows us to be at all of those milestones as a parent, at all of the soccer games and the volleyball games and the school performances and the parent teacher conferences. Like, is there. What's that job? Can we find it? And that was how we kind of honed in on podcasting.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, was this your idea? And if you don't mind me saying, we were chatting a little bit about this before we started. I got into podcasting about nine years ago because I fell in love with the art of podcasting. And then, of course, the zone got flooded. And it's not very often that a game changer podcast presents itself. And your podcast came out and was so instantly beloved and seemed to be exactly what the world needed at the exact moment. So I guess my question is, like, was it your two's idea to do the podcast? Did people approach you about the podcast and did you know that you wanted to, like, really give the behind the scenes experience more than just recapping the episodes?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, the way it started, we had no idea that it was gonna be a rewatch podcast, really. We had a ton of memorabilia, photos, scripts, you name it. Jenna and I sort of were the historians of the show. We saved everything, we took a ton of pictures, and we started this project that we had wanted to do for years to clean out our sheds and closets.

[Jenna Fischer]

I told you, we clean things together.

[Angela Kinsey]

This really happened. The thing is, neither of us were doing it until we were like, okay, we're both gonna do it. And in that process, I think I found out that I clearly have some weird obsession with baskets. I had, like, 32 baskets. Jenna had so many lamps. I'm like, why are you keeping all these lamps?

[Jenna Fischer]

I was convinced I was gonna rewire them.

[Angela Kinsey]

I know, I know. But anyway, we found boxes and boxes of our office memorabilia, and we were like, we wanna preserve this for our kids. We weren't really sure how. And we decided to each take a Halloween. Our bin of Halloween pictures and stories and rewatch a Halloween episode and sort of just like, make notes, Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Like an oral history. Sort of like, we just wanted to get it down. Like, what would you call that? Like, journaling out loud.

[Angela Kinsey]

Journaling out loud. And we weren't, you know, no real idea what we were gonna do with that session. We just wanted to do something. We didn't know if it would eventually lead to a book or a podcast or just us getting this history down for our kids. So Jenna came over and I got lunch, and we sat in. We have a garage that we kind of made into a bonus room. And we sat on my IKEA couch out there and put my iPhone between the two of us on the couch and hit record.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

And Jenna shared hers, which was a very structured, outlined, thoughtful.

[Jenna Fischer]

I like, wrote, like a three page document.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes. And I. You see these note cards behind me? I had a stack of these note cards with my notes and ideas and pictures, and the two of us had such a different approach to a shared memory. We both had the same memory, and we came at it from such two different perspectives, and we just laughed and talked, and it was really fun. And I hit stop record at the end. And my husband is a really good editor, and he listened to it. I sent it to Jenna and her husband and my husband and our husbands listened to it. And Josh said to me, ang, this is a podcast. And Jenna's husband said the same thing. He was like, you guys have something here.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Jenna Fischer]

So we took it out.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Josh edited it to a little sizzle, you know, kind of thing, and we took it out ourselves.

[Jennifer Simard]

Wow, that's incredible. I love that story. And it just goes to show you, everyone, like, just create. Just do the thing. You never know what can become of it. I'm inspired, Patrick. I do wanna ask the first listener question because they brought up memorabilia.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

You know what I mean?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

We got a question from a listener named Kathleen. So for both of you, for followers of Office ladies and office BFFs, we all know what prop set decor they kept from the office. I wanna know. Kathleen wants to know what Golden Girls prop or decor they would love to have.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, well, I mean.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay.

[Jennifer Simard]

Jenna's raising her hand.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, you go first.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have something from the episode that I want very badly.

[Angela Kinsey]

What?

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. Yes. So we are. We're gonna talk about the episode Dorothy's new friend in a minute. So that's the episode you're talking about.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay. But I would take, just in general, I would take anything in their kitchen. Oh, yes, the tablecloth, like any of the kitchen decor, is amazing from this episode specifically, though, I've become somewhat obsessed with Blanche's yellow pants suit. And if I could buy it and wear it, I would 100% do it.

[Jennifer Simard]

All right.

[Patrick Hines]

I feel like you could rock so many of Blanche's out. Like the red number with the thing at the top. Oh, my God, you'd be perfect in that.

[Jenna Fischer]

They all look comfy.

[Angela Kinsey]

They do. They look like they breathe and move with you, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm obsessed with all of the wicker and the coral. So, like, that. That furniture set in the living room, the couch and the chair. I mean, I want it. I want that wicker chair. I truly do.

[Jennifer Simard]

And there's 72 coral napkins. They have so many coral napkins.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I would take? If I could take anything and I would frame. We have big walls in my apartment, and I would take the front door with that exclamation mark. You Know, I don't know if you've seen it, but there's, like, the. There's an exclamation mark sort of chise into the front door, and I would put it on the wall behind, like, plexiglass or something.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

Oh, I love that. Or you can make a dining table out of it.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, that's.

[Jennifer Simard]

I would take the copper lobster mold on the wall that looks like a penis.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, let's talk about. So, you know, we asked you, and you so kindly did watch the episode Dorothy's New Friend, which is, you know, it's made iconic by the actress Bonnie Bartlett. It's the episode where Barbara Thorndike is Dorothy's new friend, and she's kind of a. And the other women see it, but Dorothy doesn't really see it. So my question is, do you think this episode is iconic? And if so, why?

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, I do. Because it's about friendship, and it's that new person that enters in sort of the old guard, the group, you know, and that is a very common theme. It's super relatable. We've all lived it. We have. We've all had a good friend group and then had a new person join, and you're like, what? What? What? What? What'? And then also, it has that very sweet ending where, you know, Dorothy is going to stand up for her friends and.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

And her mom and her mom's friend, you know, So I loved the ending.

[Patrick Hines]

I always. Whenever I hear the word metaphor, it always takes me right back to this. You know, I know what a metaphor is, dear. And then also, like, the titles of the books. Like, there was the episode that we're actually doing our regular episode on today. When we're done with this, there's a shot of the hospital from the outside. It says, like, Biscayne Bay Hospital. And I'm always thinking, like, so dark. The waves on Biscayne Bay. But, Jenna, what are you thinking?

[Jennifer Simard]

I'm sorry, Patrick.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

I'm sorry. To the group. Sorry. What is a metaphor?

[Patrick Hines]

Don't worry about it.

[Angela Kinsey]

Don't worry about it.

[Jennifer Simard]

Straight ahead.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay.

[Angela Kinsey]

I also just loved. And I know we're jumping around here, but I loved how snooty Barbara was and her brooch, you know, that she found in Morocco. And now she's never had writer's block again. I'm like. And then I love the snark. Was it Rose who said, or Blanche, that you can't wear it with plaid? I just loved that. And then I love when someone is snooty and purposely gets a name wrong. Like, the fact that she kept calling her Midge was so snarky and passive aggressive.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And intentional.

[Jenna Fischer]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, the character's clearly doing it on. It's such a nasty move.

[Angela Kinsey]

There was a girl when I went to college that when she didn't like someone, she would purposely get their name wrong. And it was a whole thing we all picked up on. So, like, if your name was Betsy, she'd be like, hi, Bet. I'm like, bet? Since when you call me Bet? Or she'd be like, seriously? You'd be like, amy. And she'd be like, hi, Emile. And you're like, emile, like, what? She would just get, like, a few letters off. And I'm like, oh, she is so damn snarky. Ew.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. My other question, like, in my opinion, one of the things that makes that show work so well is the guest star. And so I wanted to talk to you about your experiences working with guest stars. You know, whether, like, memorable experiences on the Office that worked great or ones that didn't. And if you all were ever guest stars, like, what your experience was.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, I mean, the person who comes to mind is Amy Adams, who came in very early on in our first season as a guest star and just crushed it with the, like, type of acting that you had to do and the looking at camera or not looking at camera. And, you know, Amy Adams wasn't marquee Amy Adams when she did our show after she fell.

[Patrick Hines]

She wasn't even nominated for her first Academy Award yet.

[Angela Kinsey]

Hadn't even come out yet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was crazy. And then what was so freaking cool about her was that she did her first episode and then in the second season when she was now Academy Award nominee Amy Adams and, like, being, like, courted for all the biggest movies, she was like, yeah, I'll come back and I'll do, like, four lines in an episode, and then I'll go sit on a boat for three days in the middle of the night and film Boo's crusley eyes. Like, she was just, like, so cool and up for it, even as her star was, like, skyrocketing. You know, that's cool.

[Patrick Hines]

She said in an interview somewhere. She's like, you couldn't have kept me away. She's like, I would have taken time off from whatever I was doing to go back.

[Jenna Fischer]

That was clear. That was clear. And, you know, for the threat level midnight episode, they reached out to her because they really, you know, the idea was that he had been filming Threat Level Midnight for years. And there would be, like, scenes with, like, people who you'd seen years ago on the Office, and they really wanted her in, like, a flashback scene, and she wanted to do it so bad. And I can't remember the reason why. Ange. Right. But, like, she was on a movie. She was like, in another city. She was like, I'll take a red eye. I'll do it. And, like, the movie wouldn't let her out. Like, she was like, I want to do this so badly.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

Now, Jenna, you just called Angela Ange. Does that mean you don't like her?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Are we good?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's a nickname. Nicknames are allowed.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's right.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's allowed. Not your name. Snark.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, totally. Yes.

[Jennifer Simard]

I hope people called her by the wrong name just to tie it in the bow. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

No. Angela, do you have a guest star that you remember working with that stands out as a memorable experience? Good or bad? I mean, and if it's bad, you don't have to say their name.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, no, no. I mean, just memorable. Like, when I think of someone who walked on the set and it was like electricity went through the room. It's Idris Elba. I mean, when he walked on the.

[Patrick Hines]

Stairway, I know electricity just went through the room. At the mere mention of the name.

[Angela Kinsey]

Everybody was just like, oh, hi. Like, it was. He was. And he totally got his character. He knew exactly who Charles was. He was, like, amazing and went toe to toe with everyone and then was also incredibly charming. So, yeah, that is one. And he really did.

[Patrick Hines]

It translates into the episode. Cause it's like that was his character. Everyone was just swooning all around him in the episode.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. I would feel like walking onto our stage at that point because, you know, when we talked about Amy Adams, that was early in the show, but now this is later in the show. It's very established. The characters are established. And to walk in as a guest star, then, I feel like, would have been really intimidating. I would have been intimidated. And he was just. He was there, man. He was ready to go.

[Jenna Fischer]

You know, something about the Office that was very unique to our show was that we all had to be there all day, every day, because we were in the background of each other's scenes. The bullpen was open. So if you were a guest star, you had to be ready for that. You had, like, that. That comes with the job. And I cannot tell you how many humongous stars. Kathy Bates, Idris Elba, Timothy Oliphant, yes. You know, Will Ferrell, you know, came through our doors and just what incredible artists they were, because they were like, yeah, I'll sit here for four hours while you guys figure out a scene in front of my desk. We were so lucky with our guest stars. You know, someone who popped in my head who just absolutely delighted me was Andy Daly as Ben Franklin.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, he's so good.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have Ben Franklin. I couldn't get through those scenes with him. Like, so funny.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. You know, it's just popping into my mind. And she. I'm sure she doesn't count as a guest star, but there is another Golden Girls, the Office crossover. And I wonder if you know this Melora Hardin.

[Angela Kinsey]

I was gonna guess Melora.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, you know, we just. Like, Melora was on Golden Girls. No, her dad was. Oh, my gosh. Her dad played. I know. I think his name is Jerry Hardin, and he played the professor that sexually harassed Blanche. Do you remember that episode? That was Melora's dad, and that's Melora's dad and I when we were doing a deep dive on it, and I waited till the end. I'm like, jen, you're gonna die when I tell you who he's related to. I think his name is Gerry Hardin. And it's funny, if you look at him, he looks just like her. Like, you can see. Like, you could see her face on him.

[Jennifer Simard]

I do remember that you found him attractive.

[Patrick Hines]

Listen, I didn't want to be controversial and be like, oh, the guy who sexually harassed Blanche is hot. But, like, Melora Hardin's dad's kind of hot.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, Melara's gorgeous.

[Jennifer Simard]

She's beautiful.

[Angela Kinsey]

And the only reason why she came to mind is because of everyone on the show, I feel like Melora had the biggest acting pedigree as far as generational. You know, like, she grew up acting. I knew her family. Her dad was in the business. Her mom was a manager and a teacher and an acting coach.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

So Melara was on Little House on the Prairie.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, she was.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so funny because I am not an actor. I don't really understand the hierarchy of what a set is like, but I understand that you all are like the stars. And then, you know, Melo Harden comes in and she's a guest star or whatever. But her Jan felt like everybody's boss, and it really felt like you all were afraid of her. It translated into, so far as, like, we know they're acting. We know this isn't real, but I can't Imagine they actually like her. Cause she's so mean, you know, like she was so perfect and it was also lived in. And I was thinking about what you were saying about the guest stars being like, like Kathy Bates being like, sure, I'll come in and figure. Watch you guys. I bet that was so fun for them, like the Office. And this is kind of a question, like, were you able to realize how iconic it was while you were doing it? Because I would think even when you're a Kathy Bates or a James Bader or an Idris Elba, they get to come and play in that world for a week or however long it is. And maybe did you recognize that even though they were big stars, they, that you were big stars and that like them getting to watch you work was probably really fun for them.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's so funny. We interviewed Kathy Bates for Office Ladies and she talked about how intimidated she was and we were like, wait, what?

[Patrick Hines]

I know, I know, it's wild.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

I just love that you shared how game these actors were to sit there on set and not, you know, have someone stand in for them or just wait in their trailer or their room. It's just such a reminder and a lesson to be just a team player and to have fun and not take it so seriously and just to have fun, you know, and be a good, be a nice person, be someone people want to work with. It's really lovely to hear that.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, to be fair, we were a fun place to work. Like, you didn't want to be in your trailer. You know you were going to miss out on something because we were, if we weren't doing a hilarious scene, we were doing bits off camera and having the best time. So you did not want to be in your trailer. There are some sets where you're like, I'm going to need to go to my trailer because there is toxicity happening that I want to get away from. But all of these big stars, we were a really artistically satisfying place to be, I think. I love that having people in your corner to help you makes all the difference. And with State Farm, you can feel good knowing that whether you need coverage for your car, your home, or even Both motorcycles and RVs, you can choose the right amount of coverage for you.

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[Angela Kinsey]

I got the cutest sleeper sofa for my home office. It's from Cozy. I love it and I want to tell you about it. First of all, it has this modular design and when it gets shipped to you, it's not heavy. It's easy to just bring in the house and set up. You don't even need any tools. You can tell I'm pretty excited about this because the day we got it, Josh set it up and I was able to use it that afternoon. And it's adaptable. So you have these sleeper seats and then integrated storage and you can configure it however you want it. I've already had a guest sleep on it and I've also configured it today so it has like a little chaise lounge side and then it has the side where you sit clearly I love it. The one I got is called the Neptune sofa bed collection. I picked the color latte, and I like it very much. And not done there, you guys. I also got a rug, the Savannah washable rug. It looks fancy, but it's also functional, you know, because you can wash it. I can't say enough great things about cozy, because cozy makes furnishing your home easy. By furnishing your home with cozy, you don't just get your dream living space, but endless possibilities and peace of mind transform your living space today with cozy. Visit c o z e-y.com the home of possibilities made easy.

[Patrick Hines]

I want to get to more listener questions, but I would be remiss if I didn't tell you, Jenna, that, like, Pam, you're missing things. Is the thing that my husband and I scream at each other whenever one of us is not in the room that they need to be in. Do you remember that episode? It was like the episode at the lake. No. Oh, my God. It is so iconic in our house.

[Jenna Fischer]

Refresh my memory.

[Angela Kinsey]

Is it Michael? Was Michael the one that said it?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, it's Michael from off camera. Cause it was like, the vacation day where you all go to the lake, but, like, you didn't get to have a vacation because you had to, like, walk around and write down what everybody was doing.

[Jenna Fischer]

Cause I had to take diligent notes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. And so there's a shot right before it goes into the commercial where you're, like, talking to the camera, and you're just kind of like, I just wanted to, like, come to the beat. And from off camera, you hear Michael go, pam, you're missing things. And it is. I have watched it so many times, and my husband and I just, like, scream it down the hallway to each other. And then Angela, of course, save Bandit. Do people just shout that at you in parking lots?

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes, people yell save Bandit. And then, you know, for me, because I get save Bandit a lot. I know Jenna gets please don't throw garbage at my head. Is that what you get, Jenna?

[Jenna Fischer]

Please don't throw garbage at me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Please don't throw garbage at me. And then I have gotten green as whorish. But the one that, like, I always remember, because I was like, what? I had gone to see you two, and I was walking to my seats. I was going down a staircase. And you know the section right above you, like, the balcony, as I'm going down, these young guys come to the edge of the balcony, and they yell across the section, Angela. I would take the Da Vinci Code. So I could burn the Da Vinci Code, and that's, like, such a random thing. And I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Jennifer Simard]

Right?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's when we all say what we would take on the deserted island.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it's also the other one that we say to each other all the time is a glass of warm milk, two chapters of a good book, and lights out by nine. That's how I sleep at night.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's such a good one.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, do you have time for a couple more listener questions?

[Jenna Fischer]

Sure. We have tons of time. Yeah, we're here.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God, I love you guys. Okay, so we're officially making a podcast together. So Jessica says, I would love to know where they would live if they could move and live. Like the Golden Girls. I think it'd be funny to see an episode with Angela, Pam, Kelly, and Phyllis in a house for a weekend.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's the spin off we need.

[Angela Kinsey]

That is the spinoff.

[Patrick Hines]

That would be so good. Where would the house be? And what do you think that, like, what would the situation be?

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't know, but Meredith definitely lives next door.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah, we won't let her live with.

[Jenna Fischer]

Us, but she's, like, moved adjacent.

[Angela Kinsey]

Maybe she's in the garage apartment.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

I love it. Here's a question I love. If you two could have guest starred on an episode of the Golden Girls, which one would it have been?

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, I don't know them well enough.

[Angela Kinsey]

I wish I did.

[Patrick Hines]

Or if you could be a character. Like, if you could even invent a character. Yeah. Who, like, who would you be?

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah. Which Golden Girl would you say you are? And which one would your friends say you are?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, I know who you would say I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

Dorothy.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yes. Yes. Dorothy Zabornak. Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Am I Rose? Jenna. Yes, you are. I am Rose.

[Jennifer Simard]

You are.

[Angela Kinsey]

Although I know a malamar is a cookie. Yeah, that's so funny. You know, if I could go on the Golden Girls and be in one episode, I would want to be there the day that Burt Reynolds shows up to the front door.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God, that's so mean.

[Angela Kinsey]

It's just so cake to lunch or whatever. And everyone else is like, what? I mean, talk about, like, a great door opener guest.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so good. And the line is, he leans into Sofia. Which one's the slug? And they all raise their hands. It's so. All right, this is a good one. If they could have a mashup between the two shows, which two characters would you love to have A scene together. My two requests would be Meredith and Blanche and then Dwight and Sophia.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I also think Michael with any of them really and truly have a sit down with Michael with any one of those ladies, and that would be off to the races.

[Patrick Hines]

Like Michael and Rose would be some really good content.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think I could also see Michael on a date with Blanche because she would blow his mind. Like he did date Pam's mom, so exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

Oh, true. Wait, here's a last question from Heidi. It says, if Pam and Angela were to show up on the Golden Girls, what would they look like? Are they related to someone? Are they Neighbors? Charity event. Mrs. Claxton, are they neighbors? Charity event. Maybe they're on a business trip to the Sabre headquarters.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, I think in my heart of hearts, we'd be neighbors. And we would be those ladies that do the same walk every morning. You know, like, I have these two ladies that live at the end of my street. They're side by side, they're widowers. They do this walk. And one day, I had lived in my house 10 years and one day they walked by and they said, oh, it's so nice you finally got your fence done. I was like, how long has this bothered them?

[Jenna Fischer]

How many times?

[Angela Kinsey]

That's in my heart of hearts. Jenna and I would be these two gals that walk by and like, comment on people's yards. I love it.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God, I love it.

[Jenna Fischer]

I have a question after watching this episode, please. Which. Yes. Which is so a big theme in this episode is like, first impressions. Like, you know, Barbara makes this really great first impression, but then it's not lasting. But then she has, you know, she talks about how like, well, maybe I just got a bad first impression of your friends. I'll give them another try. Do you guys remember your first impression of one another?

[Patrick Hines]

That is so a. It's so kind of you to ask us a question. I. If I may, Ms. Simard. So Jennifer Simard is a huge Broadway star. She's a three time Tony nominee. She's co starring in Death Becomes her on Broadway right now. She's got her third Tony nomination. If you go to her. Did you. Are you guys on TikTok?

[Angela Kinsey]

No.

[Jenna Fischer]

Do you like, follow the trends, guys?

[Angela Kinsey]

We're not on the tikity talk, but we're.

[Patrick Hines]

We might hit on it.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Jenna Fischer]

Jennifer, Can I. I have to like pause right now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

I saw Death Becomes her with my mom and I did not connect those dots. Holy shit. You're Amazing.

[Jennifer Simard]

Oh, thank you, Jenna.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

It is a triumph. And you are so freaking funny.

[Jennifer Simard]

Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I saw you on the Tonys.

[Jennifer Simard]

Thank you so much.

[Jenna Fischer]

In your seat with your little sign.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yes, my little sign.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yes.

[Jennifer Simard]

That's the TikTok Patrick's referring to. Cause that's. That's from the show that was rude.

[Patrick Hines]

And that went viral.

[Angela Kinsey]

And that's Jen. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And there's this video of Bette Midler, who's a friend of Jen's, coming backstage after the show, and Bette Midler on her knees, bowing to Jennifer, like, saying, like, how amazing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Wait, is that online?

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah, it's on my Instagram now.

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know how. Cause, you know, you get, like, the algorithms. I saw that, and I was like, damn. I mean.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Wait a second. Are you going on stage tonight?

[Jennifer Simard]

Yes. Yes, I am.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh, Jen.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yes.

[Angela Kinsey]

Well, thank you for hopping on and talking with us.

[Patrick Hines]

She's been doing this the whole time, let me tell you. Like, Jen has been. We've been making. We are. We've been making this podcast as long as she's been doing Death Becomes Her. Like, it's. She is.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She is such a rock star.

[Jennifer Simard]

Why would I give up the opportunity to meet incredible humans such as this?

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, my gosh, Jen. I'm so.

[Jennifer Simard]

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm so humbled, because, I mean, Jen. Jen and I both just. We know what it takes to do a podcast and show up and that energy and to know that you're also then going to go out on stage tonight. Like, thank you so much for taking the time out from your preparation.

[Jenna Fischer]

I know my mind is blown right now. Thank you very much. I don't know how I didn't put that together before.

[Jennifer Simard]

No, because you know why? We're all just. I think every actress is inherently a character actress. You have to disappear into that part, you know? So I know you wouldn't know me if you saw me on the street half the time, so I take it as a compliment, to be perfectly honest.

[Jenna Fischer]

I saw the show with my mom, and my mom and I were just like, I can't believe we got to see those two ladies on stage. We feel so privileged. That's the cool thing about theater, you know, you either see it or you don't. And it's a moment in time. Although I have a feeling this is gonna be a real long moment, because, I mean, you know, it's very good. It's very good, but wow.

[Patrick Hines]

That was it. I mean, I was a fan of Jen's from years and years and years ago. And then over the Pandemic, I found out that Jen was listening to my other. I make a True Crime podcast as well, and Jen was, like, a listener to that podcast, and so I was blown away by that. And so I reached. I, like, slid into her DMs. I'm like, hi, I love you. Like, thank you for listening. And we went back and forth. And then she started coming along.

[Jennifer Simard]

No, I think I slid into your DMs, because, you know, True Crime Obsessed is a hugely successful podcast, and a girlfriend of mine wanted to do one of our own during the pandemic, and you were so kind to information share. But my first impression of Patrick was one of incredible competence and exuberance and genuine excitement and kindness because I was a guest on his Theater People podcast back in 2016, and then friends of mine wanted to start a podcast with me. I guess I've been doing it since. For seven years, since 2018. And this venture with Patrick is my third venture and my favorite to date. But I wanted to thank you for that question.

[Jenna Fischer]

But it was like, you guys were. Your first impressions of each other came from your work, from your artistry, from.

[Angela Kinsey]

Your admiration of each other as well.

[Jenna Fischer]

And artists crush on one another.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, truly.

[Jennifer Simard]

But isn't it interesting that Rose and Blanche's first impression was the accurate one, so to speak? Do you know what I mean about who Barbara was to her core? And something else. So Mark Cherry's a friend of the podcast.

[Jenna Fischer]

I heard his interview.

[Jennifer Simard]

Okay, so you heard what he said. And he said, the thing about Rue McClanahan is how good she was at playing all the different colors of a character. And she could play in quotes. She could play, quote, dumb. And I see. Or just kind of flighty, and I see that color in her in this episode. She's just so good at all those different nuances. But the theme that you talk about. So that really affected you, Jenna, the theme of this episode. That's part of it, yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

What's interesting to me is that it made me reflect, because, you know, at the end, Blanche and Rose's assessment of Barbara is correct, that she's a crappy person. But it made me reflect about how in my relationship with Angela, we've each had different, like, friends that we've brought into our lives that we like. And every once in a while, there's someone that Angela and I are like, huh? Really? Like, Angela will make a new friend And I'll be like, I don't care for her. And the other way around. And then other times, there's people where I'm like, oh, my gosh, she's a peach. I love her. What a gem of a person. And it's kind of interesting to me. Cause after I watched this episode and I was thinking about it and I said it to you, Angela, I was like, have you noticed that the ones that. That the other person didn't, like, they didn't actually stick around?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, interesting. Like, but not, like in such a confrontational way or anything, but just a kind of like. Huh?

[Jennifer Simard]

Like, you didn't say, go to hell.

[Angela Kinsey]

No, no.

[Jenna Fischer]

And I don't. You're friends with her, and I just say, I don't love her.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah. Or.

[Jennifer Simard]

Or.

[Jenna Fischer]

Or vice versa.

[Angela Kinsey]

Or you might just have that moment where you're like, hmm, okay. Okay. And then there's no, like, I told you so. There's none of that. It's just how it just plays out.

[Jennifer Simard]

We're getting into a deep area here. This excites me. Let me ask you this question to the groom. Cause we all have that shiny object syndrome in friendships. Since, like, when you're little kids, too. You're like, you have your really good ride or dies, and then some popular kid likes you, and you kind of dump the other kid for a minute. And it's not the best quality. But we all understand what that's like. You know, how psychologists or psychiatrists or therapists will say we're often drawn to a romantic partner. That. That is tapping into some unhealed wound from our past. There's an attraction there. Maybe because of. Not always, but because there might be some unhealed trauma. Do you think the same is true with some of these friendships that don't work out? That the attraction is so strong because they are a reflection of something you need to grow or look at just hypothetically. I'm sure it's not.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yeah, always that way.

[Jenna Fischer]

I think maybe. I also think sometimes whatever your childhood trauma is, you get drawn to it. Cause it's familiar. And then you have to be reminded that you don't want that. Yeah. And then sometimes you get drawn into relationships that heal, you know, that give you the opposite. You know, like, my friendship with Angela is a healing friendship. You know, it's just a friendship of unconditional love and trust and support and all those things. And it heals me every day. I just love it so much. But, you know, like you said, the shiny object Is. Oh, my gosh. Go back to my early dating life. I mean, how much, like, I would be attracted to. I don't want to say, but, you know, just, like, I do. Not the right person, because it was familiar, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yep. But it wasn't the healthiest thing.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you all follow Dr. Ramany? She's. She's a doctor who. She. She does a lot of, like, work on. Around, like, narcissism and childhood trauma and stuff. And one of the things that she had a guest on her podcast, and she said, what is the number one sign of an adult struggling or an adult who has survived childhood trauma? And he said, without skipping a beat, he said, it's trying to make difficult people like you.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh.

[Patrick Hines]

And I thought, like, that really resonated with me. Like, I. When I look at some of the friendships that I've had in my life that have not worked out or that have ended disastrously, it's because I look at the fact that, like, they were difficult and they didn't like me or whatever, and I. It made it my mission to make them like me, and then ultimately it falls apart. But I was like, oh, my God, that's. Yeah, that really spoke to me.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Simard]

Are we a psychology podcast now, all of a sudden?

[Angela Kinsey]

We might be. I mean, I do think, too, and just to maybe wrap up this question, and something Jenna and I have talked a lot about is that there are seasons of friendship, and some people come into your life for that season. That's who you were at the time. That's what you needed at the time. And then they might not grow with you. Right. As you grow, and that's okay. And the other thing is, though, you do have people that are going to grow with you, and that's the true, true friendships. And I'm so thankful for my friendship with Jenna. And we didn't meet as young. You know, we weren't teenagers. You know, we don't have those high school memories. We didn't know each other in college. We met later in life. And I think that's really special, too, because I think sometimes you think, well, I'm too old to make a really good friend or. And you close yourself off to that kind of meaningful friendship, but you're not. You're not too old to make a really good friend.

[Jennifer Simard]

I love that.

[Patrick Hines]

Did you all meet on the office?

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we met on the office.

[Angela Kinsey]

We literally met because we were the two closest women to each other. So we just had. We had a partition between us, and we would stand up. I would stand up over the partition and talk to Jenna.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, and Angela was also, to me, the physically closest person because the reception desk was kind of an island. But I could cast notes to Angela over the partition or between takes. I could just stand up and we could talk. But for me to talk to anyone else, it was like a literal journey.

[Angela Kinsey]

She had to come out from around the, you know, that reception desk.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sure you've been asked this 10 million times and have answered this 10 million times, but was the character's name Angela, or did they just like. They're like, we like that name. We'll just let you use your real name.

[Angela Kinsey]

You know, basically what Greg has said was there were some new characters that didn't have names or weren't in the original BBC version of the show. And he just. In the writers room, they were just kind of lazy and gave them our names. So it's Phyllis Creed, Angela.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, of course.

[Angela Kinsey]

And it was just enough to confuse the hell out of everybody, so.

[Jennifer Simard]

Great.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, before we let you go, we have to talk about. So Jen Simard is not the only stage star on this call right now, because Ms. Jenna Fisher is doing a play very soon.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. Ashland Avenue at the Goodman Theater.

[Patrick Hines]

I love the Goodman.

[Jenna Fischer]

I'm so excited. My husband wrote the play. He went to school in Chicago. He went to theater School at DePaul. And this play is a real love letter to Chicago. It's about a small business owner in Chicago who is kind of dealing with the fact that maybe the world doesn't want small businesses anymore in a way, like, they don't want his small business. And so he's trying to hold onto it. It's kind of a family dramedy. I play this character's daughter, but I'm so excited. I mean, I am a huge theater nerd. I texted my vocal coach today, and I read my script with my coffee. I just try to read a couple times a week. We start rehearsals soon, and then it opens in September.

[Jennifer Simard]

Oh, wonderful.

[Patrick Hines]

And who's directing it?

[Jenna Fischer]

Susan Booth, the artistic director of the Good Men. And then Fran Guinan plays the lead. He's like a big Chicago legend, so I can't believe I get to play his daughter. And it's a really great cast.

[Patrick Hines]

Is this your first time on stage professionally?

[Jenna Fischer]

No, this will be my third time, so I got my degree in theater, so it's my first love. And. And it's kind of all I wanna do now, moving forward, you know, save for, like, if there's some cool little movie role or something that I can sink my teeth into. But my hope is that as my kids graduate from high school, I'll move to New York and just try to make it as a theater actress.

[Angela Kinsey]

I mean, seriously, Jen, you're my goal in life. Yes. Her goal in life is to like.

[Jenna Fischer]

It's true.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't sing and dance.

[Jenna Fischer]

I can't sing and dance, so you're not gonna see me in any musical.

[Jennifer Simard]

That's okay. Let's do a play together. We did the out of Town in Chicago, and it's the greatest theater town. And I'm sure you're gonna be wonderful and break legs and this is thrilling.

[Angela Kinsey]

And.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yes. And look, New York's not going anywhere. So come on. Come on. The water's fine. Come on. Thank you.

[Jenna Fischer]

Oh, my gosh, Jen. It's all I want to do. I'm just so excited.

[Angela Kinsey]

Yay.

[Patrick Hines]

Steve and I are gonna come and see it.

[Jenna Fischer]

No question.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't wait.

[Angela Kinsey]

Stop it.

[Patrick Hines]

For sure.

[Jenna Fischer]

Okay, well, you let me know when you come.

[Angela Kinsey]

I'm going to. I'm gonna go to the opening if you're gonna go. I would love to hang out with you. We could grab a drink.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. If that's a real invitation, then that is what I'm going.

[Jenna Fischer]

Well, yeah, I'll picture. Yeah. Give me your deets. Give me your deets. What do we say? What do the kids say today?

[Angela Kinsey]

I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

Well. And Angela, you have a cookbook coming out.

[Angela Kinsey]

I do. You guys, my husband is amazing cook. He's a phenomenal baker and just an amazing chef and he's self taught. And it's really just, I think, a gift that he had within him because I don't know how he's so good at everything, like from cookie decorating to cakes to, you know, one pot dinners. The man is just a natural in the kitchen. But he really wanted to do a cookbook because something he has really helped me and the kids with is not being afraid to try to cook and get in there. And I was always like, I can't cook. I can't cook. And he'd be like, you can. And it's where we really fell in love was in our kitchen. I just over a meal together. We met later in life. You know, we were divorced with kids, and that's the heart of our home was the kitchen. And so we've been cooking together. We did some YouTube videos and, you know, we've been out there for a while baking with Josh and Ang. Because my family calls me Ang, Jen. So you can call me Ang. You can call me.

[Jennifer Simard]

I can call you Angie and Patrick. Bacon with Josh.

[Angela Kinsey]

Baking with Josh and Ange.

[Jennifer Simard]

That's the name of the cookbook.

[Angela Kinsey]

That's sort of our YouTube and our Instagram YouTube. That is what led years and years of us cooking together and making all these recipes. And he has so many great recipes that he has tweaked and made his own. And the cookbook is called you can make this. Because that's what he always says to.

[Jenna Fischer]

That's what he always says to me.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm going to do this. I'm going to learn to cook. That's like my big dream.

[Jennifer Simard]

You had me at one pot dinners. Because I don't.

[Jenna Fischer]

He's got great.

[Jennifer Simard]

Have a lot of time.

[Jenna Fischer]

There's like one sheet of tajitas.

[Angela Kinsey]

One pot, one sheet.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah. And soups.

[Angela Kinsey]

Oh, yeah. He loves the soup. And it's just. It's really accessible, easy recipes that are really delicious. And the food photography, like, you know, we always just take pictures ourselves. And we hired this gal, Victoria Harris. The book is so beautiful. So I could not anticipate that. I'm like, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. And it's coming out in October, so October 22nd, guys. But you can pre order now. It's gonna be a big fall. You can pre order now.

[Jennifer Simard]

There it is.

[Patrick Hines]

Pre order now.

[Jennifer Simard]

That makes all the difference.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Thank you, Angela and Jenna, we love you so much. This has been a dream since before we even launched. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for doing this.

[Angela Kinsey]

Thank you for having us.

[Jenna Fischer]

I don't wanna leave. I don't leave. I love you guys.

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe will you come back and do it again?

[Angela Kinsey]

100% sure, absolutely.

[Jenna Fischer]

Anytime.

[Jennifer Simard]

Well, you know, who knows, Patrick? Maybe when we actually get to the Barbara Thorndyke episode, I have a feeling Jenna took notes and did her homework. Did you do homework?

[Angela Kinsey]

I took notes. She did.

[Jennifer Simard]

So maybe. So maybe it was only season 3.

[Patrick Hines]

I reached out to your team and I was like, I don't want them to feel like they have to take notes. We'll just talk. We'll talk.

[Jenna Fischer]

We can't help ourselves.

[Angela Kinsey]

We couldn't help ourselves.

[Jennifer Simard]

But Dorothy and Rose did their homework, so maybe for the Barbara Dor. The actual episodes. It's not far from now.

[Angela Kinsey]

Could.

[Jennifer Simard]

Is it season four?

[Angela Kinsey]

Season three coming up soon? It's coming season three and we could.

[Jenna Fischer]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, my. I have more.

[Angela Kinsey]

Get a little tea there.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm coming to your show. You can't keep me away.

[Angela Kinsey]

I hope you are.

[Jennifer Simard]

And we're getting the book.

[Jenna Fischer]

You're going to get an email today.

[Angela Kinsey]

I can't wait to see you on stage.

[Jenna Fischer]

Make it happen.

[Jennifer Simard]

Yes. Let me know. Let me know and we'll say hi. You come up to the just now.

[Angela Kinsey]

That'd be great. Amazing. All right, you guys, thank you so much. What a wonderful morning. We love you.

[Patrick Hines]

Besties for the rest of you, bye.

[Angela Kinsey]

Gold and get.