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I'm Jenna Fisher.
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And I'm Angela Kinsey.
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We were on the Office together and we're best friends. And now we're doing the ultimate Office Lovers podcast just for you.
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Each week we will dive deeper into the world of the Office with exclusive interviews, behind the scenes details and lots of BFF stories.
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We're the Office Lady 6.0. Hey lady, we're not in the studio together. We're doing a virtual record.
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We're doing this wild thing in technology where you zoom and your face pops up In a little box. Oh, I wanted to tell you something.
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What?
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I was so excited by this, and I cannot believe I did not share it with you immediately. Lady. We were in the San Francisco airport
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a while back, okay?
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And there's a fricking old tech whole, like, museum. I mean, I'm sure it's just an exhibit. It was all old telephones, lady. It was called Give me a Ring. A telephone retrospective. I mean, I almost was, like, late for the flight. Josh was like, where'd you go? I thought you were just going to the bathroom. I'm like, there's a telephone retrospective. Look, I can put these in stories. Can you see this?
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That's crazy. I mean, I had so many of those telephones in my own house in my own lifetime.
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You know, hats off to the SFO airport.
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I always love it when an airport gives me something to do while I'm waiting. I appreciate it. You know, in the St. Louis airport, in the American Terminal, they have this whole play space for kids.
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Oh, those are great.
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And my dad helped build it.
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No.
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Yes. Because it's courtesy of the magic House in St. Louis, which is a children's museum. And he used to work there and help build exhibits. And so he also built this exhibit that they gifted to the airport. And there's a little tower, and you can pretend like you're, like, an air traffic controller, and there's a little, you know, baggage thingy, and you can get on a plane. Yeah. And it's all like, a play space. And when I walked by it, I was like, God, I love that.
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And how cool is it that every time you walk past it, you can think of your dad?
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I know. I took a picture of it. I'll give it to you for stories, old telephones and an airport play space in Stories.
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Lady, I'm here for it. When an airport surprises you.
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Well, should we tell everybody what we're doing today? Because if you are a super fan of the Office, we think you're gonna really like today's episode.
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Oh, my goodness. You are going to love it. And it was inspired by a fan question about our life on set. Specifically our trailers. So we're gonna dig into some behind the scenes of our day to day on the Office. And it made me so I went back in time on this one. Lady. I have a folder on my laptop called Our Trailers. Did you know that?
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Yes. Because when we were putting together pictures for our book, we have a whole chapter in our book that kind of gives you the behind the scenes of the Hair and makeup trailer and sort of life off the set. But I think we're gonna dig in even deeper on today's episode.
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We are. I think one of the things I was so tickled by is that I have a folder of all of the stuff for our book. It's called the office BFFs. But somehow this one for the trailer just made its way out. And it's just been hanging on my desktop for years, and I've never tidied it. I've never put it back where it belongs.
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You know why? Because it wanted to inspire this episode today. It's been waiting.
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I guess so.
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Well, let's kick things off with a chit chat sent in from Harrison in Boston.
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Hi, office ladies. My name is Harrison, from Boston, Massachusetts. I love the podcast. Thank you guys so much for everything that you do. My chit chat question is about teachers. You both have talked about teachers before in the podcast. And, Jenna, I know that your sister is a teacher. Could you guys share or talk about a teacher that you had who changed your life or who made a lifelong impact on you? You know, for me, it was my English teacher, Mrs. Roney, who fostered such
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a love of reading and writing and
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whose lessons still come back to me all these years later. So something that you guys could share about teachers that you have had in your lives that really, you know, left an impact on you or changed you for the better. I think teachers are so overlooked and so important, and I'd love to hear about the ones that really made you who you are. Thank you so much.
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Thanks for your question, Harrison. I love this question. Yes, my sister is currently a teacher, and my mom was a teacher. She's retired.
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Yeah, Harrison. I mean, my sister Janet is a teacher. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to get the number wrong. But she's been teaching pre k for, like, 27 years, and she listens to the podcast, so if I got that wrong, she's gonna let me know about it. But we love our teachers so much, and you're so right. They forever shape your life. Having that one teacher, and we all have that one, you know, that literally made you see the world in a different way or made you feel safe or made you feel seen. And I knew right away. Two teachers popped into my mind immediately. Jenna, what about you?
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Same. I have a teacher from high school and a teacher from college.
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Okay, you go first.
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All right, well, I'll start in high school. My teacher, Mrs. Marge Minias.
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What a name.
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Yeah, Mrs. Minias. She taught religion at My high school. I went to a Catholic girls high school in St. Louis, Missouri, called Narracks Hall. And during my time there, I did really grapple with my feelings about the Catholic faith. I was really troubled by certain aspects of the institution, you know, and I don't need to get into it here, but she was my religion teacher. And when I went to her the way that she just took me so seriously and took my thoughts and concerns so seriously, she really counseled me. She spent a lot of time asking me questions. And then when I had to write papers in class, she let me wrestle with these topics and I got as she gave me A's and she didn't need me to just spit back what I was being taught. Do you know what I mean? Like, I didn't have to be fake. I didn't have to pretend.
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Yeah. She encouraged you to have your critical thinking and to really be able to explore all of your feelings on the subject. It didn't matter what it aligned with or not.
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Yes. And the thing that I really credit her with is that I think, especially at that time in my life, it was a critical point. And to have someone take me so seriously, it meant that I didn't abandon faith completely. You know, I am not a practicing Catholic today, and I still have my connection to God and to prayer. And I really credit her with that because she helped me find a way to keep that peace alive in me. I didn't have to throw everything out the door just because I didn't believe in the particular religion that I was being asked to practice.
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Yeah, that is very powerful. That is a real gift.
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And she was like that with all of us. She really cared. She didn't treat us like, you know, silly teenagers. She treated us like fully formed, interesting people. So I love her for that. What about you, Ange?
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Well, the first teacher that came to mind for me was my theater teacher in elementary school. So this was at Jakarta International School. And I had this teacher named Dr. Allen. He was an amazing theater director and we would do these fantastic musicals and plays. But in his class, it was the first time anyone ever taught me improv. And I was in maybe like fourth grade. And he taught us some just very like short form improv games. And. And it was like every single part of my body came alive. I was like, what is this? This is the coolest. I love it so much. I want to do this forever. It was just like electric, you know, because I had seen plays and done school plays and there was a script and you stuck to the script. But this idea of yes and ing and free association and having to really listen and form a scene with someone else in a partnership was life changing for me. And he also took us seriously and was invested and didn't think we were goofballs, but really wanted us to find our own comedic voice. And I was like, wow. I look back in hindsight and I'm like, how amazing to have a teacher like that in elementary.
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Yeah, that's amazing. Well, when I was in college, I was a theater major and I never got the lead roles in anything. In the musicals, in the plays. I really had a lot of opportunities in, like the student led productions. We had this lab theater where students would kind of decide. And like, I got to choreograph cabaret.
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And lab theater was like some of my favorite.
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It was great. Like, we had one student who made a musical out of Schoolhouse Rock cartoons and I got to be in that. So I was always getting cast and being involved in the student lab productions, which honestly is really good practice for an actual professional acting career. Because so much of your professional acting career is you getting together with your buddies and making stuff. Yeah, but in terms of, like the mainstream productions, it was harder for me. But the tech teacher, Ron Rybkowski, he was the person where we had to take classes to learn how to do lights and construction and set design. He also got to direct one play a year in the summer. So if you took the summer session, he was the director of the play. And he gave me a lead role in my last summer session.
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What was it?
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It was Crimes of the Heart. It's a play about three sisters. And he cast me as the wild, chain smoking bad girl sister. It was a totally against type, but it was so. And it was like the confidence boost that I needed. Cause I was gonna graduate then after that summer session, and I wanted to be a professional actress and move to Los Angeles. And I had gone through my whole four years as a theater major never having a lead role in a production. And he finally gave me one. And it really was a boost of confidence. But beyond that, he was just always there. He was always in his back office if we needed anything. And I remember this is such a long story, but when I went to jail and I needed someone to bail me out, I called him. It's a very long story, But I had rolled through a stop sign and I got a ticket.
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Why'd they take you to jail?
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Because I failed to appear in court for my ticket. I forgot it was finals week. I just Forgot. And you know what happens all the time. I know they put a warrant out for your arrest. And so two police officers came and knocked on my apartment door, and they arrested me because I had failed to appear in court for my moving violation.
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That you forgot about.
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That I forgot about. And I was like, oh, my God. Thank you for reminding me. I'm so sorry. And they're like, yeah, we're not the reminder police. We're like the actual police. We're gonna have to take you in. So anyway, I was there, and I was just, like, so embarrassed, and I didn't know who to call. I needed a hundred bucks to get bailed out, so I called Ron. I called my teacher, Ron Rubkowski, and he came and he bailed me out of jail. And I said, I'm not gonna tell my parents. And he said, I think you should. He said it would break my heart if my daughter didn't share that with me. He said, I think you can share it with your parents. And I'm so glad he told me that, because then I did. Do you know what I mean? He was just like, a great man.
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He's just like a solid, solid person to have in your life. Great advice there for you.
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Yes. He also took my first headshot for free so that when I went off to Los Angeles, I had a headshot. He did that for every graduating senior.
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Oh, amazing.
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So that was a little bit of a meandering story, but just to say, Harrison, a big thank you to my college professor, Ron Rybkowski.
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All right, well, my second teacher was my high school English teacher. And, Harrison, I totally related to you saying that for you, it was also your English teacher, Carol Campbell, and she taught honors English, and she just made stories come to life, and I would have a lot of questions, and I loved digging into books and seeing if I could make connections or symbolism. And. And she was so up for the discussion. Do you know what I mean? Like, she thought the way my brain worked was really interesting, and she encouraged that writer in me. My kids right now for their high school English class, Isabel and Jack are reading the Great Gatsby. And I read the Great Gatsby in Mrs. Campbell's English class.
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Oh, are you so excited for them to read it?
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I'm so excited, and they're loving it, and it's been really special because I just remember all the conversations I had with Mrs. Campbell about the Great Gatsby. So, yeah, big love to our teachers, who are just amazing and there for our kids in so many ways. Harrison we loved your question.
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Yeah, thank you. Well, listen, ladies, should we take a break? And then when we come back, we're going to talk all about trailers.
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Trailers on the office, you guys. And Steve Burgess, our amazing producer, shares some fun details with us. So, you guys, Father's Day is coming up and I wanted to give you a hot tip.
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What's the hot tip?
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Well, if you have your husband or your dad or that person in your life that loves to grill. Because Josh loves to grill. And I love it when he grills. And we all sit outside and he's grilling and it just kind of feels like summer and we're hanging out, but it's just like one of my favorite things. But he is in a real need of a better grill set. He's had the same one. You know how these guys are. They hold onto things for a long, long time. They have done their job. But he needs something new. Guess what I got him.
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What'd you get him?
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Well, first of all, I went to Macy's and they have this Cuisinart deluxe stainless steel, 14 piece grill set.
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That sounds fancy.
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It is fancy, but it's got everything you need and I think he's gonna love it. So, Josh, if you're listening to this, sorry, but that's. What? You're kidding.
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Well, lady, it's funny that you say that thing about having the men in our lives who hold onto things. You know, that was my dad. That's how my dad is. I think their Toaster is like 50 years old and he'll just take it in the garage and tinker with it
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and keep it going.
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And keep it going. That's his thing. And then similarly with clothes, he doesn't replace or upgrade his toaster clothes. I'm saying this carefully, but this is why we're here.
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This is why your kids are here. They're here to like give dads a zhuzh. I do want to say one more thing about this Cuisinart because one of the things I love about Macy's is how they just have amazing deals and amazing sales. And this set, which is really loaded down, it's got everything you would ever need, is $49.99.
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It's a good price point when you
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see the amount of things you're getting. 14 different things for your grill.
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Yeah.
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Sorry to go on and on, but I'm very excited about it.
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No, you're making a splash. It's a fancy gift at a non fancy price.
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Yes, exactly.
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I don't know why I'M saying foncy like that. I don't know because I like to say fancy. I like it. Well listen, I am going to be looking at the Macy's Gift Guide to try to upgrade my dad's wardrobe this year. I don't know. I'm thinking linen. They've got a clubroom, men's drawstring, linen pant. They've got a Tommy Hilfiger printed floral linen shirt. I'll be moving toward linen. For more ideas, head to macy's.com giftguide to find the perfect gift.
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well, we are back and today's episode was inspired by Emily L. From San Diego who wrote in with the following question hi office ladies. I'd love to learn more about your office trailers over the years as it's a behind the scenes location we know little about. Did you have to pack up your trailer at the end of the season? Were you able to pick your neighbors and were there any particularly special personal items you kept in yours over the years? Here's hoping you hitch this question to a future episode. All the best Emily. Well Emily, not only did we hitch this question to a future episode, we made a whole episode out of it. So here we go Emily.
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This really got us excited. We were deep diving old photos. Angela, you found some videos that you took in our trailers. I thought we should kick things off by describing the different kinds of trailers.
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Oh, that's so smart.
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Yeah. There are categories of trailers. So the first category of trailer is called a honey wagon. And this is like a large trailer that is divided into tiny dressing rooms. Like, not much bigger than what you might find at the mall. If you're lucky, there's a tiny bench that you can sit on.
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Mm.
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Then there's like a little teeny rack to hang clothes. And maybe a sink and maybe a toilet.
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Maybe. Yeah, maybe. But sometimes not. Sometimes it's just the bench and a little clothing rack.
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Yes. And this is what you are likely gonna be put in for your first acting role. If you've got a couple of lines, if you're there for one day, you get the honey wagon. Or if you're doing, like, a very low budget project.
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Exactly.
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When we did Lee's movie, that was, you know, an indie film, we were in a honey wagon to change clothes.
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Everybody, we all had a honey wagon. There was no, like, oh, so and so has a bigger space. No, we were all in a honey wagon.
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Everybody got honey wagons.
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And, you know, Kate Flannery and I were in a honey wagon, season one of the office.
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But you guys had toilets.
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Okay, here was the weirdest thing. We were in a honey wagon. And I think I've talked about this before, but the only thing that separated her bench and her toilet from my bench and my toilet was an accordion
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door, which is so wild to me.
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And the accordion door was made out of, like, flimsy plastic, and it had a magnet that never attached.
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Yes.
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So we just decided on day one. Okay, here are the rules. We are going to keep the accordion door open because what's the point? Like, I can hear everything you're doing. And we made a vow to never use either toilet.
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I mean, these are important foundries that I think you set that were very smart.
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So we just kept the lids closed and I, like, put, like, a plant on mine.
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Yeah.
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I have a picture that, you know, I cherish. It's in our book. And we have a lot of fun pictures in our book from this time on set and the behind the scenes. So, you know, little shout out for the office bff. But I do have that picture of me and Kate in our honey wagon.
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Well, after you graduate from the honey wagon, then you get into what is called either a triple banger, a double banger, or a single. I don't know why that's what they're called, but they are what they sound like, which is that you can have a Trailer, and it's divided into three different dressing rooms. Or a double banger is divided into two different dressing rooms, and then a single is just like. You get the whole thing.
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Yeah. Now, I will say, even with the triple banger, it's a huge upgrade because that's what Kate and I and everyone else in the supporting cast GoT. Season two, and I mean, it was like Shangri La. We had a bench. We had a little mini fridge. We had a little vanity and a bathroom and a tiny TV that never worked. And the microwave. One time I used it, and I thought I was going to burn everything because it started smoking. So I didn't use my appliances, but it was a lot more space.
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Yeah. Well, from the time I started on the office until almost the end, I was in a double banger. So I was in a trailer divided into two different big dressing rooms, and I had a lot of space. I had a really nice, like, sort of a couch. Right.
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That's why we would eat lunch in your trailer, because you had a table.
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I had a table. I also had a TV that did not work.
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And wait, you know what, lady? Before your table, we had TV trays. And then I remember we came back one season, it was like, after the holidays, and all of a sudden they'd put a table, and we were so excited.
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I remember that. And then you had, like, a bathroom that had a shower and it had a toilet, and you had, like.
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Did you ever use the shower?
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I had to use it once, and I can't remember what the episode was, but I was messy. I don't know why I needed to use it, but I did. But the thing is that it's like, you know, it's not warm.
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Yeah. It's like a campsite shower. Like in an RV park kind of shower.
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Exactly. If you've ever seen an RV bathroom, they were very similar.
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And, like, you have to flush the toilet. You have to push a pedal, you know, on the ground.
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Yes.
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And the first time I finally had a trailer that I could. You go to the bathroom. And I could not find how to flush it, lady. I looked everywhere for a handle. No one told me to look on the floor. And I remember I had to go ask someone. I had to be like, hey, you have a toilet. How do you flush?
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Yes. Well, something people should know is that your trailer is part of your contract. So, like, when your agent calls you and says, you got the job, they'll say, like, here's your salary. Here's the number of days you'll be Working. Here are the dates. And you're gonna be in a triple banger.
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I never knew that. So basically, like, fuck my agent for putting me in a Honeywell season one of the Office.
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I mean, it's a negotiating technique, you know, and they'll be like, well, we can't get you any more money, but we can get you a double banger instead.
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I did not know that.
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Yeah.
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Oh, my gosh, that's ridiculous.
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I know. Well, let me tell you a story. So I was used to our trailers on the Office. And listen, we didn't have the biggest budget in the early years on the Office. So even though I was in a double banger trailer, it was old, like I said. There was a television, but it wasn't hooked up to anything. And the microwave was iffy, like you said.
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Oh, no, it was dangerous.
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But while I was doing the Office, I got the job on Blades of
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Glory, which is such a big budget movie.
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Huge budget movie. And they walked me to my trailer, and I didn't know what had happened to me. Did you just start laughing?
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Like, what the hell is this?
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It was like I had gone from like a middle seat on Southwest to a private jet. Like, that was the difference. I was like, holy crap. I had a full kitchen with an oven. I remember calling my family and being like, should I bake something? Like, what do I need this for? It had a huge flat screen TV hooked up to satellite television. It had a fireplace. It had a full bedroom. It was huge. I didn't know what to do with myself, lady.
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That would have blown my mind. I mean, the nicest trailer I've ever had was this past year when we did AT&T. I was like, this trailer is bananas. But I sort of love that our show was just not like the big Hollywood hullabaloo, you know? Cause we were all really close because of it. We weren't spread apart. We spent all day on set together in one giant room, basically. And then our trailers were all right in this little nook in the parking lot. And you had neighbors. You had people right next to you.
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It was like a little community out there. And I have to say, because my trailer was so nice on Blades of Glory, I spent a lot of time in it. Like, I watched that TV when I wasn't needed on set. I was like, this place is amazing. This is, like, better than my house. I love it. Like, I loved it so much. And I think, though, because our trailers were not fancy schmancy, we didn't, like, just hang out in Them, we would come out in the parking lot and we would play basketball together, or we would chit chat and make jokes and
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take steps and play music.
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We were more social because we didn't have such great digs.
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I do have a really funny story about, you know, when we were doing the office, my niece and nephews, they all, at different times graduated high school because we did the show for nine years, you know. And so one of the things I would do is I would fly them out and they would come to set and they would get a tour of the set and they'd have lunch with me on set. So my one nephew, he's so sweet. My nephew James, when he came out to visit, I was showing him my trailer. And here's the thing. We said our trailers were older, right? They were older. There was a decorating theme, there was a motif, and it was southwest. So depending on what trailer you had, there would be kind of like a fakey painting in a wooden frame that was like almost like Jim's clown painting in his parents house. It was bolted to the wall. So like there's no moving this picture. Whatever trailer you got, there would be a picture and it would be there no matter what.
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It was like a wolf, like howling at the sunset.
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Seriously. Or like cowboys driving home. A cattle. Range of cows.
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Yeah.
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Mine was a big sort of clay terracotta pot with like etchings on it, like you might see in a cave, you know, of like bison or something.
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Yes, I remember.
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And my nephew saw it and was like, oh, this cool painting. That's pretty cool. You brought that and put that.
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You're like, I did not bring. Did not bring.
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I was like, oh, honey, it's just here.
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But we did decorate.
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We did decorate.
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The girls decorated. The boys didn't really decorate.
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The boys did nothing. But yeah, we decorated a ton. I mean, I had a lamp from home because I love low light. I'm not a huge fan of like overhead fluorescent lights. And I would have a plant and I would have a little desk area. Lady, I remember you had made like your own little home office nook.
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Yeah. I also would bring in a pillow and like a nice cozy throw blanket. I wanted homey touches. I wanted it to feel cozy. But in answer to your question, Emily, at the end of every season you had to pack everything up. Like these trailers were rented from somewhere and at the end of every season they get returned and then we would get a new set.
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So yeah, yeah, it was like, it felt like a college dorm that we had to like, load in and load out. And that's when the guys would just kind of look at us. Cause on the last day, they would just get in their cars and leave.
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Yeah. And we would have, like, boxes of things.
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We'd have boxes that we were packing up, and we would label things. So it would be like trailer bedding, trailer desk stuff.
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Yeah. And Angela, you mentioned that our trailers were located in our parking lot, and they were kind of like in a big configuration, and it was a pretty easy walk to get to the stage. But sometimes when you're on a show or a movie or on a location, your trailers are actually really far away from the set. And you have to ride in, like, a van or a golf cart or something to get to the set. But for us, it was like you could walk to the stages.
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You could. But I do want to share something, and I love this. I lady. I reached out to Steve Burgess and he sent me some great details. I'm gonna share in a minute. But he also sent me a ton of pictures of our trailers, just all in a row. And here's the thing I have to share. So you know when you're cast on a show, on the call sheet, you're numbered. And so Steve was number one.
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Yes.
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So his trailer was closest to the stage door. Okay.
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And Steve had a full size trailer. He was the only one of us who had a full trailer all to himself.
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Yeah. But he was the closest to the
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doctor, very close to the door.
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So now I was number eight. So I had a little further walk.
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You were down a row?
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I was down the row. And the supporting cast would kind of, like, joke about that, like, where we were at in the row.
B
Well, that was a crazy thing about our show, which was that our trailers were outside. Like, a lot of times if you're in the fancy studios, you actually don't have trailers. You have dressing rooms, and they're, like, attached to your stage, and so you're, like, indoors the whole time. But our hair and makeup, where we got ready for hair and makeup, was a giant trailer out in the parking lot. So on those rainy days, I remember how frustrated hair and makeup would be, particularly hair, because they'd be like, well, I'm gonna get you all ready. And now you're just gonna walk in the rain to your trailer and get dressed, and then you're gonna walk in the rain again to get to the stages. By the time you get there, I'm just gonna have to start all over again. Yes.
A
Well, now I want to share with you. This email I got from Steve Burgess. You know, we trade emails, Jenna and I and Steve, and he sends us pictures from his life in Tennessee and we send him pictures back. He's just the most wonderful person. And so I was emailing him about Isabel turning 18, you know, and so we had started this back and forth and I said, hey, while we're chatting, do you have any memories of our base camp and our trailers? Because we got this really fun fan question and we're going to talk about it. And I also asked him, how many trailers at any given time did we have in that parking lot? And so here's some of the stuff he wrote back. Are you ready?
B
I am.
A
First of all, he said about our trailers, they weren't a four star hotel, but they were okay to survive in while not on set. By the time I joined the office, it was season six and everyone was pretty settled in their trailers. And then I asked him about what happened when we would go on location. He said for the most part it was manageable. But other times our base camp looked like a small city. We tried to keep things small when we were just going out for a day or two with only a few cast members. But when the whole cast was on location, we had to bring everyone's trailer plus trailers for guest stars. We also had to have a cast trailer for the director, usually one for the writer as well. And then in addition to the cast trailers, we had to have costume props, grip electric, hair, makeup, ads, catering and transportation. So here is an example. On the christening episode we shot at a church in Pasadena with the whole entire cast. This is what was set up at our base camp. Four single trailers, three double banger trailers, four triple banger trailers, one honey wagon, a camera truck, a grip truck, a lightning truck, a set dressing truck, a wardrobe trailer, a hair and makeup trailer, a catering truck, six vans, seven stake bed trucks, two people movers, which are 30 person buses, one drivable generator, one tractor with a generator. Cause the tractor pulled the wardrobe trailer, which was a 40 foot semi. When they were connected. One church bus and Jim's car. Wow, that was for the christening episode. Isn't that unreal? Yeah, it's amazing.
B
That's amazing. That's something I didn't know if people knew. Which is that like the point of the trailers is that if we ever went on location, they would just hitch them up and move them. So like my dressing room with all its decor and everything that I liked to keep in it would be over at that Church that morning.
A
Yeah, exactly. Annie sent pictures from when we did the finale, and our base camp does look like a small city. And it rained, and he sent me a picture. It was like a mud hole that we had to, like, wade through to get to the food.
B
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. You know, another question that I think people wonder about a lot, at least people have asked me, is how much time we spent in our trailers and how private they are.
A
Oh, well, they're not private. If you share a wall, it's not private. Just so you know.
B
But even if you do have, like, a trailer to yourself, it's still not totally a private space. There is always someone knocking on your door, entering your trailer. They are constantly delivering new clothes or script pages or memos. If you do share a wall, the walls are thin.
A
Yeah.
B
In the first season of the Office, I shared a wall with bj. I had a double banger, and he was my trailer mate. John and Rain were paired together, and then BJ and I were paired together, and BJ would listen to music, and when we moved, I said I didn't want to share a wall with BJ anymore. I kicked him out. I was like, I don't want to listen to your music. It's so loud.
A
It's so loud. Here's the other thing I remember about BJ being your neighbor was that I would come in and hang out with you, and we could hear him lift the toilet seat to go pee, because he would fling it open and it would whack the wall. And the first time I was in there when it happened, it startled me, and I was like, what was that noise? And you said, I think it's when he goes pee, like, flings the lid open.
B
Yes. He was loud. And so.
A
We love you, bj. We love you, bj.
B
But you were really loud over there. But, you know, you spent as much time in your trailer as you needed to change your clothes, or if you weren't in a scene, that's where you might go hang out.
A
Yeah. And Emily asked us, were we able to pick our neighbors? And the answer to that is no.
B
Well, I didn't get to pick who I wanted as my neighbor, but I was able to pick who I didn't want. I guess I didn't.
A
I guess that's true.
B
That's true. Please, no more.
A
Well, as you all know, Kate Flannery was my first neighbor, and then my second neighbor was Phyllis, and she was amazing because she's so quiet. So if you have to pick someone on the office cast to be your neighbor. I highly recommend Phyllis. Also, the trailer next to me, so, like, my windows faced their windows, was Ed Helms. And he would play the banjo, and I would open my window so I could hear him playing the banjo, and I loved it.
B
So lady, Ed's trailer was in between mine and yours. Yes, because he was also my kind of neighbor. You know, I didn't share a wall with him, but yes. And I could hear his banjo as well. And I loved it.
A
I loved it. I loved it so much that sometimes if I had a little bit more downtime and, like, maybe I would take a little cat nap, I would sort of wake to Ed's banjo playing. And I made it my alarm on my cell phone. It's, like, very nostalgic for me. Like, if you're gonna wake me up, play the banjo.
B
Yeah.
A
And then I don't wake up. So grumpy.
B
John's trailer was loud.
A
Oh, my gosh. John's trailer was so loud. I don't know what they did in there. I think they would just yell at the TV or yell at each other when, like, the Madden football was going nutso.
B
Yeah.
A
And so it would shake. You would walk by John's trailer, and it would be moving, and it'd be. Because, like, Brian Baumgartner was, like, jumping up and down. Jumping up and down or something.
B
They would. They would jump up and down. And sometimes we would go in there, we would just sit and hang out and watch them. Yeah. If we were, like, really bored.
A
If we were really bored, we'd say, let's go see what the boys are doing.
B
Exactly.
A
And they were just yelling at each other in the tv, and you could hear them walking through the parking lot like, what the hell? Come in. Meh.
B
Yes. But, lady, we have to share that. When we had kids, we graduated to a very special trailer configuration. This was a time when you really led the way. They were so wonderful for you when you brought Isabel back after our hiatus.
A
So I had Isabel right after Goodbye, Toby. Cause I was super pregnant. They couldn't even hide my belly anymore. If you watch that episode when Andy proposes to Angela, you can just see my belly. Because they gave up and I had her, like, what, Lady? Like, eight days later. Something crazy. And so when I came back to set for season five, I had this newborn, and at first I would just have her in the trailer with me, but like you said, so many people knock throughout the day that I would just kind of be putting her down for a nap. And I'D have a break at lunch, and I was gonna have that cozy time with her, and someone would knock on the door, right? And she'd wake up. So I remember having this conversation with Randy Cordray. He was so sweet. He was our producer, and he was like, angela, is there anything you need for the baby? How's it going? You know, being back at work with her? What would be helpful? And I said, well, I said, when people knock on my door, it wakes her up or it distracts her if I'm trying to feed and things like that. And he was like, how about I get you a double banger? Normally a double banger, you know, you have a wall between the two rooms. He said, but we can have one where you have, like, a walkway that connects both sides, but you can shut the door, like a pocket door. And that was amazing. And they did that, and it was a game changer. So Isabel had her side, and everyone on set knew that was, like, the nursery side. And she had her little name on the door. Isabel's nursery.
B
And.
A
And then on my side, they could come and go and come and go, and that was great. And I was able to put a crib there. And then I eventually had a high chair. As she grew, that little space grew with her. And then, you know, we had crayons and, you know, play doh and, like, Oscar would come and hang out with her and, like, read her a book. It was so precious how everyone just really helped make her feel at home there. And I think paved the way for you, Jenna, you know? Cause then they were like, oh, we're gonna get her the double banger.
B
Yeah, they gave me the same trailer. It was made to be two different trailers, but it had an interior door that was a pocket door. And so I had my getting ready side, the deliver me side, the knock on my door side. And then I had the quiet nursery side. And it was so funny because they did this for both of us. They had, like, these laminated signs. I think Kelly Cantley made them. They were, like, laminated on the nursery side, like, in big letters, do not knock Baby sleeping. So funny. And then they also put on the door, there was a little, like, place where you could Velcro up a sign that said, do not disturb pumping and progress. And I could put that on and off the door.
A
That was an upgrade for you. I didn't have that one, but I was telling Kelly this was the sweetest thing. Kelly Cantley came to me when Jenna was gonna go have her baby. She was like, Angela, what worked and what didn't work about your little nursery in your trailer from a production standpoint? And I just sort of like sat there and had a conversation with her and she made adjustments for you and she really wanted to make sure you were taken care of, you know?
B
Yeah, no, she was great. And that whole nursery setup was really great because it meant that I could have a very young child. I mean, I went back five weeks after my C section. We've talked about that. And I was able to have a nanny sit in that nursery with my baby. And then every time I wasn't being used on set, I could go be with my baby. And that really meant the world to me as a working parent.
A
Same. Well, one of the things I found in digging about our trailers was an adventures with Angela. Remember that digital series I would do for NBC.com where I gave a tour of my nursery side of my trailer? And it's pretty hilarious, lady, because I just show everything. I'm like, maybe I didn't have to show all of that stuff here, let's play it. Hello, NBC.com. hello, Dunder Mifflin fans. Angela Kinsey here getting ready for a new season. Season five. And I'm on my lunch in my trailer. Don't you love my brown velour couch? Woohoo. I'm giving you a little tour of my trailer because I know you're dying to see it. Really? Really. That's really what's on everyone's mind. I used to be really neat.
B
Now with the baby a little more cluttered.
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Isabelle's picture. That's her laughing. Breast pump, check. Breast pump attachments, check. Breast pump tube, check. I've been teased this season that I talk about my boobs a lot, but you know what? When you're pumping as much as as I do. Come on, ladies, you know what I'm talking about. Fellas, not so much. I need to get some new experiences because I think I'm really making everyone crazy with my breast pump stories. This is Isabelle's side. They made this special for me. Basically, they took two trailers and they just opened a little door so I can go straight into Isabelle's side. Oh, my friend Michael gave me this. It's for my lady business, personal items, tampons, you know, anyway, why I have to say that my brain is mush. I've lost it.
B
Oh, lady.
A
That's what I remember about those early weeks of having, you know, a little baby on set where you were feeding through the night and then you had an early Call time. And then you also on your breaks, where other people maybe take 15 minutes to lay down or get a snack. You're just pumping or feeding. And you are. You're tired, man.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
And it's the best kind of tired. But, yeah, you're tired.
B
But I love that video. Angela, you have to post that.
A
Well, we have one in your trailer, too. So I guess I was filming something for an upcoming episode, and you see your trailer. So I'll post those as well, because you're on your little couch, you know, with your brown paneling. I'm so thankful we have those. Such a nice little, I don't know, piece of our history there.
B
Well, Emily, I really appreciate you asking this question. This was really fun to think about. We hope we gave you guys some insight into this aspect of the entertainment industry. You know, when you're an actor and you get that role and you see your name on the outside of even just your honey wagon, it's a big milestone.
A
It's never lost on me. Every job I've ever had, I take a picture standing next to my trailer door pointing at my character's name, and I get tickled every single time.
B
I do, too.
A
And, in fact, we both just did this on Lee's movie. We didn't even work the same week. Lady. I took a picture, and you took a picture in front of the honey wagons. I'll share that in stories because we were both so tickled and were so excited for Lee's movie.
B
Well, lady, speaking of trailers and Lee's movie, the trailer for his movie is out. It is out. And first of all, the name of the movie has changed. When we shot the movie, it was called New Year's Rev, but it is being released under the name Nimrods, which is perfect, you know, based on Green Day's album. And it is going to be released globally in theaters August 14th. Like, globally. Like lots of places.
A
Globally means a lot of places.
B
Yes. And I'm just so excited for people to see it. It's the story of three teenagers in a punk rock band who get pranked into believing that they're opening for Green Day. The movie is packed with Green Day music. The band is in the movie. It stars Mason Tames, Kyler Kaufman and Ryan Foust.
A
And us, lady, we have fun little cameos in it.
B
We do. And we both made it into the trailer. Did we really?
A
We did, Lady. I can't wait to see it.
B
I know. I realized I don't know how many movie trailers I'VE ever made it into. Maybe Blades of Glory. Maybe Walk Hard.
A
Oh well, this is super exciting.
B
That's right, trailers. If you get a trailer or if you're in a trailer, it's very exciting
A
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After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that our show sent you. All right, we are back. And our first around the town comes from Jennifer G. In China Grove, North Carolina, who says last month was our annual Cheerwine Festival. It honors a cherry flavored soda that is so delicious that was made in the town next to mine in Salisbury, North Carolina. It's a fun filled day with live music, activities for the kids, and of course, all the Cheerwine you can eat and drink. I guess they also make a Cheerwine pound cake.
A
I am very curious about this Cheerwine.
B
I've not ever heard of this.
A
I have never heard of it. I'm gonna have to ask my family if they've ever heard of Cheerwine.
B
Can I take you on a short tangent about cherry flavored soda, though?
A
Yeah. What in the world?
B
Okay. I was home in St. Louis and I was talking to my mom. Her father was a pharmacist and he owned a pharmacy. But this was back in the day when a pharmacy was also like a soda shop. And she was telling me a story about how on Sundays when the pharmacy was closed, her dad would sometimes have to go do paperwork. And so he would bring the kids to the pharmacy and he would make them a cherry Coke or a vanilla Coke at the soda counter. And my mom said that cherry flavored Coca Colas, which you had to mix yourself, were more popular than just a regular Coca Cola. So popular, in fact, that my grandfather wrote a letter to the Coca Cola company telling them, I'm just one person. I'm just one pharmacist with a soda fountain. But I think that you should have a product called Cherry Coke.
A
Get out.
B
Yes, he said, because it is my most requested item at my soda counter. And he wrote this whole letter saying, I really think you need a product called Cherry Coke. And I don't think you should call it Cherry Coca Cola. You should call it Cherry Coke. This was his big idea. He got a letter back. Dear sir, thank you so much. Unfortunately, we can't really review things like this, you know, because we have so many people coming up with things all the time. You know, we're always trying to come up with new products. But thank you for writing us. My mom said that like two years later they came out with Cherry Coke. And her dad has always believed that he was the inventor of Cherry Coke.
A
I love that's part of your family lore. Your grandfather had the idea.
B
Yes, that I just learned this past visit.
A
That is so wonderful. Well, our next around the town comes from Kevin S. In Florence, Kentucky. But he says he's 10 minutes south of downtown Cincinnati. He wrote, it has passed for this year, but the Cincinnati Reds opening day is a major holiday around here. People miss work, school, et cetera. And the parade is gigantic. He says the Findlay Market opening day parade began in 1920. And he wrote, you ladies should come next year. Perhaps in a float together. There is a massive street fair near our ballpark on the banks of the mighty Ohio River.
B
I mean, Cheerwine Festival Opening day parade.
A
I do have a bucket list item of being on a float with you.
B
Oh, lady, I think it's not gonna happen.
A
Cause you'll get motion sick.
B
I just don't think I wanna be on a float. Do I wanna be on a float?
A
I don't know. I've never been on a float. I'm curious about it and if I was gonna do it with anyone, it'd be you.
B
Well, that's for sure.
A
Mm.
B
Yeah.
A
I don't wanna be on a float in the cold. My bucket list has parameters.
B
A warm, slow moving float.
A
I would also just be on a slow moving boat with you.
B
Well, where are we going on our slow boat?
A
Maybe Amsterdam.
B
Oh, sure. Just like in the canals. I mean, I can make the boat thing happen anytime. Come on down to Lake of the Ozarks. We can be on a boat together.
A
That's it. Maybe in my bucket list dream float and boat were interchangeable.
B
But like, we went from being like, like part of a parade to just two ladies on a slow moving boat.
A
Yeah, like a pontoon boat. I would love to be on that with you.
B
Such different things.
A
They couldn't be more Different.
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One has water, one doesn't. One has crowds of people, one doesn't.
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You know when you laugh and you get a stitch in your side? I have a stitch.
B
Next you're going to be like, you know what? Actually, what I mean is, I just want to sit in our backyard together.
A
Actually, I would just be fine to float in a floaty with you. In a swimming pool.
B
In a swimming pool. There we go. We found it.
A
There it is. We did it.
B
Next is Lexi S. From Woodstock, Ontario, Canada, who says about once a day I quote or at least think about something you once said on the podcast. And I laugh to myself.
A
Oh, my goodness, Lexi.
B
Thank you. Lexi goes on to say, I am writing to share two license plates I saw around my town this week. The first day I saw one that read hot to trot.
A
Yes.
B
And Lexi said, not office related, but Angela related.
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And for me, Lexi, that would mean whoever's driving that car is coming in quick.
B
Yeah.
A
Stay out of their way.
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Lexi goes on to say, the second day I saw one that said business, which I can only assume was inspired by Creed. I thought you ladies would get a kick out of this.
A
I love it.
B
Thank you, Lexi.
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Well, now it is time for our office question of the week. It is from Laila C. In France.
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Bonjour.
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I know. Bonjour, Laila. Laila says comedy actors always talk about how difficult it is to stay serious in scenes. But is it ever difficult to act happy or crack jokes when you aren't feeling like it in your personal life? Or does it actually cheer you up? Is there ever a time when your character had to be happy when you weren't?
B
This is such a good question. Because, you know, we spent nine years on the Office and a lot of life happens to you in nine years.
A
Sure does.
B
And it's true, not every day is a day that you're in a great mood or in a mood to laugh. And there are down days. I mean, I can think of a few examples when I had to go to work or I had to go on set and I had to film a comedy television show. And I wasn't in a great mood. My grandmother passed away while we were shooting the show. And I got that news while I was at work. And that was hard. It was hard to just go sit in laughter after that for the rest of that day.
A
Yeah, I remember being very thankful in particular for our cast and how much we were there for each other. Cause we all had times, you know, like that. And I think on some sets, you might not have that kind of support in the way that we had. But in the early season of the Office, early in season two, my mom was very sick and she was in the hospital, and things were touch and go. She ended up, you know, pulling through, but it was very scary. And I just remember you and Kate just rallying around me. And you do. You have to just kind of dig deep inside yourself and do your job, you know? And those are the days where it is just kind of a job, you know? But also, Laila, the part of your question where you said, sometimes does it actually cheer you up? There had been mornings where nothing in particular bad or anything scary was happening. But maybe you just had a frazzled morning getting out the door, and you're just in that kind of mood where you walk onto set and you're just like, okay, now what? And then we would have a scene, and Steve Carell, as Michael, would do that laugh that he does when he acts his acting laugh. And it's so damn funny. I would find myself laughing or trying not to laugh because my character could never really bust out laughing. But there were so many times when Steve pretending to laugh cheered me up.
B
Oh, yeah. I mean, I think overall, it was such a beneficial place to work to go into a place where your job was being around comedy and making comedy. It did affect my mood. And I remember, I would think, gosh, I often leave work in a happier mood than when I got there, just by virtue of having laughed all day. And I thought, what's it like to play a character on a drama where you're dealing with, like, intense subject matter all day, or you have to cry all day, or you have to have, like, an intense scene. Cause that gets into the fiber of you. You know, it's like it's pretend, but you are accessing things in order to
A
bring it forward or exposing yourself to things. If it's like, subject matter, that's really troubling.
B
Yes. Yes, it's funny. When we did our rewatch, you know that episode where Pam and Jim, they go to buy stuff to cheer up Kevin.
A
It's Michael's birthday, but everyone's worried about Kevin.
B
Yeah, everyone's worried about Kevin. And Pam has her little thing where she's like, luke, I am your father. She does the whole thing. So that day that we filmed in that store, I won't share why, but I was pretty down that day. I wasn't in a good mood. And I remembered worrying that you might see it in my performance. And when we did the rewatch, I thought, no, I think if I didn't know, I wouldn't know. But for whatever reason, that was a tough one that day to go in and. Cause I had to be funny. Like, I had to be peppy and up and flirty and funny, and I was not feeling it, but I think I covered.
A
I think you did. I think you did fantastic.
B
Yeah.
A
I think the hardest thing for me, Laila, was the reverse, which is playing a grump around a lot of really funny people, because I wanted to laugh and I was laughing and I was trying to suppress laughter all the time. And, you know, I will say, Jenna, talk about a job where sometimes you come to work and you've just got a lot going on, but then you leave at the end of your workday happier. And that is true for me with you and our podcast.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
Yeah. So many times when we're done recording, especially when we're in studio, the minute we're done, we walk to our cars together. We talk the whole entire way. We have a whole chat session, like, standing next to one of our cars, and then we get in our cars and we drive home. And we either leave each other a message or call each other on the drive home.
B
I mean, it's just like being back on the set.
A
I know, I know. So I love it. I love doing this podcast with you, lady.
B
Thanks. Me too.
A
Aw. Well, you guys, thank you so much. This was a fun trip down memory lane for us. We have lots of great behind the scenes pictures that I'll put in stories of our time on the set. Emily, thank you for that suggestion, and we'll see you guys next week. We hope you had a great one. Thanks for writing in. We appreciate y' all so much.
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See you next week. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.
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All right, lady, Father's Day is coming up and we've been talking about how Macy's can really help you level up your gift giving this Father's Day.
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Yeah, I mean, Father's Day is almost here. You guys.
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I finally decided what I'm getting my dad.
A
What's that?
B
I am going to get my dad the Tommy Hilfiger modern fit linen blend sport coat.
A
Oh, nice.
B
Like a summer sport coat. I am positive he doesn't have anything like this. It is currently 63% off. I was able to grab one for $119. I'm so excited. This is a really, really nice blazer. And, and you know, my mom and dad, they go out in the summertime and I think this is such a nice way to have like a polished look, you know, I told you, I like to glow up my dad on Father's Day.
A
That's very sweet.
B
It's my new tradition.
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In this deeply nostalgic and lighthearted episode, Jenna and Angela take a fan-inspired trip down memory lane to share the untold stories of The Office cast's trailers. With insider details, funny mishaps, heartfelt stories, and new insights from producer Steve Burgess, the episode offers listeners an intimate look at what daily life was really like off-set during the making of the beloved sitcom. The ladies also discuss the impact of memorable teachers, address fan questions about acting, and sprinkle in their signature best-friend banter throughout.
Fan Question by Harrison from Boston: Which teachers changed your lives?
Inspired by Emily L. from San Diego (19:39–46:40)
Question from Laila in France: How do you act happy on tough days?
This episode is a delightful, warm, and revealing journey behind the scenes of The Office—from humble “honey wagons” to joyful banjo serenades, from the logistics of moving a TV show's mini-city to lifelong friendships forged in cramped trailers. As always, Angela and Jenna underline the importance of community, humor, and support—whether from dedicated teachers, fellow castmates, or each other. A must-listen for fans eager to understand the real Dunder Mifflin experience—and what it means to find joy in the little things, even (or especially) in storage-packed triple bangers.