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Jenna Fischer
It's so good.
Angela Kinsey
It's really good.
Jenna Fischer
It's very hard not to say more, but we are not allowed.
Angela Kinsey
I think people are going to be happy. I really do.
Jenna Fischer
I agree. I think it feels like the Office. Like, it's very clear that this is the same universe. Okay. That's all I think we can say.
Angela Kinsey
Yeah. We've probably said too much.
Jenna Fischer
Well, wait, I do wanna say one more thing. Okay. I wanna say that we are not sponsored by Peacock or NBC.
Angela Kinsey
Yeah, no, we are not.
Jenna Fischer
I just wanna say that because I just want people to know.
Angela Kinsey
This is not an ad for Peacock or NBC.
Jenna Fischer
Correct.
Angela Kinsey
Yeah. Basically, here's what happened. Greg invited Jenna and I to visit the set and to meet the cast. And he shared with us some of our old crew was there. We couldn't wait. And Greg has always been amazing to Office Ladies. He's a huge supporter of the show. And we went and went to the set, and then he offered us an early sneak peek of the paper pilot and said maybe if we liked it, we could break it down. Because he said he's a huge fan of how we break down episodes. And so it all came together really organically. And I'm so glad we got to do this.
Jenna Fischer
Me too. And it just. It meant so much to me that Greg trusts us.
Angela Kinsey
Yes.
Jenna Fischer
With his new baby, basically, you know?
Angela Kinsey
Yeah.
Jenna Fischer
And I loved it. Greg, you're gonna hear.
Angela Kinsey
Yes, you are. We loved it.
Jenna Fischer
You know, lady, I do think that the rest of the cast is a little jealous that we got to see it early. I do. I do. And I maybe am lording it over their heads a little bit.
Angela Kinsey
Oh, yeah. Did you tease Rainn on your lunch? Were you like Rain? Guess what. Yes. I wasn't. And you didn't.
Jenna Fischer
I literally did.
Angela Kinsey
I did.
Jenna Fischer
I had lunch with Rain and I told him that I got to see it and then I wouldn't tell him anything.
Angela Kinsey
Oh, my gosh.
Jenna Fischer
I bet that's so mean.
Angela Kinsey
That made him crazy.
Jenna Fischer
Well, listen, we are really excited because today we are sharing our interview with Sabrina Impecciatore. You might know her from season two of the White Lotus. She's fantastic.
Angela Kinsey
And she is phenomenal in the paper. And her story of how she got her role on the paper is amazing. While we were talking to her, they actually called her to set during the interview. But I could have kept talking to her for an hour. Truly, I, like, want to go on a road trip with her and just hear her talk Same.
Jenna Fischer
I want to know even more things.
Angela Kinsey
Yeah.
Jenna Fischer
All right. Well, without further delay, here is our interview with Sabrina Impecciatore. Well, it is so exciting to get to talk to you. Will you tell us your name and your character name?
Sabrina Impacciatore
Yes, Alora. My name is Sabrina Impacciatore, and my character's name is Esmeralda Grand.
Angela Kinsey
Can you tell us a little bit about what your character story in the show is?
Sabrina Impacciatore
Oh, my God. I have no idea.
Angela Kinsey
What does she do? What does she do in her job?
Sabrina Impacciatore
What doesn't she do? I would say because she does everything she can to just try to stay where she is, to. She's. This is kind of crazy character. Like, she could do anything. She. To me, she's someone that needs to survive. But for her to survive, it's a very personal concept, you know, so every time she feels threatened by something, she uses anything she can, even the worst things possible just to protect herself. So I see her like a little wild animal. And then she's the only Italian. She moved here, and she doesn't want to leave. Like, she wants just to be here and keep living in this. In this country. And she works in this office, but she could actually do anything else because she's not a real journalist. So she is just someone that pretends to be anything because she just has to make it.
Jenna Fischer
Are you the only actual reporter at the paper? Is that your job?
Sabrina Impacciatore
Not really. Like, my job was to be the editor in chief of the TTT online. But then. And she was very happy about this, very proud. And then this guy arrives like the new. And she is literally kicked out of her office. So she struggles a lot because of that. And then she just tries to find her space in this new, you know, in this new hierarchy. And so, of course, she is the one that wants always to be in front. Like, she. She's also. To me, this is something that. Because I've been creating this character with Greg and Michael and all the other writers now, I was very, very inspired by already by the sides during the audition. And so then I decided to. I don't know. I didn't decide. Things just arrived. So to me, somehow she thinks that through this documentary, one day maybe she could become star. So she also uses the camera to suggest that idea. That's why I decided to have this kind of hair like a diva from the 40s to suggest, hey, look at me. I'm a superstar, too. And so she acts like a star. She behaves like a star. She thinks big. She's big. The way she dresses, the way she acts. She's also very manipulative. She uses everything Harry manipulated.
Angela Kinsey
What a fun character. I love her. I can't wait to watch this. You know, it reminds me a lot of how Michael Scott loved the camera, right? And Andy, he thought he was going to be a big star. He was very excited when the documentary airs. So I sort of see a little bit of that theme. Can you tell us about the audition, your process, and how you got your job on the paper?
Sabrina Impacciatore
Yes, of course. So that was. I have to be short because it's a long story, but I was shooting a movie in Cape Town. I was in Cape Town, South Africa, since three months, far away from home and everything. And I am literally entering in the flight, going back to Italy, and I got a call from my agent from la. She said, sabrina, did you. Did you read the email? I said, no. What email? I was packaging. I was saying goodbye to the crew. She asked, do you have to read this email right now? But I am almost flying. So I read the email and there was the call for this audition. And they gave me 24 hours to prepare 11 pages in English. 24 hours was exactly the time of the flight back to Italy. But me, I felt I cannot do an audition just coming out of the flight after. And so I was telling my agent, please, please try to get some time more. How can I learn these things? I'm flying, I'm tired, I'm upset. And she said, I don't know if I can make it. I'll write you. So now just go. So I flew for 10 hours and then I arrived in Doha. I can't remember. I opened my email and she wrote me, we got one day more. So I was very excited, but still, like, I can't make it. Like, this is very long to learn 11 pages of monologues. But I read this site and I felt in love. You know, it's like love at first sight. I was like, oh, my God, this is too brilliant, this is too funny. And guess what? I had never saw the Office in my life. I didn't know about this show. I was the only one on this planet that hadn't seen this show. So the first two episodes, I saw them on the flight from Cape Town to Rome and I felt like, oh, my God, what a weird project. That doesn't look like anything familiar. That's so weird. And this acting is so believable. It looks really like it. And the light is so bad. I'm going to be so ugly that was the main concern. So then I arrived in Rome after three months. I don't see my mom and nothing. But I called my mom and said, mom, forget about me, have an audition tomorrow. So don't. We can't see, we can't. So. And I spend all night long to study the sites. I find an American girl, it's a long story that she comes to my place and we study, study, study, study. And then I do this zoom meeting with all my luggages looking at me. You know, the luggages. I couldn't touch the luggage. I couldn't open them. They were there. And I did this zoom meeting with Greg, with Michael, with the casting director, with the producers. There were six, seven people there. And I said, okay, let's go. And I forgot all the lines. Of course, the memory was not solid enough. So I started the scenes with the correct lines. But after a couple of lines, I completely invented everything else. Like, so I was improvising, improvising, improvising. And I didn't hear a sound. So I said, this is going very bad, but it's okay, I'll keep going. I kept going for 40 minutes. I think 45 minutes. And then they said, stop. And they all appeared. I had understood that they had mute themselves. They said, sabrina, you really made us laugh a lot, but you didn't remember nothing. And they said, could you do this again in two days? What the fuck? Oh my God. I said, really? Like after three months I'm not okay? So two days after, I did this again, but with all the memory and everything. And actually I sent a self tape with all the scenes. I was very inspired. Like, I was very inspired. I felt like I was a channel and things were just arriving and I was having so much fun in that audition. And then I sent it. And then for a month I don't hear from anybody. So I thought, okay, it's not working. I was very sad because in the meanwhile I was watching the Office and I was like, this project is the most brilliant project I've seen. It was so incredibly intelligent and real funny. You know, when you laugh, you laugh with your brain, with your heart, with your everything. You're really laughing. And then incredibly enough, after one month, I got another role. Big, big role. Like big in a very big important project. So I was very happy because I said, oh my God. So I was jumping on there because of this other role. Like, I was crying because it was really something I loved. And so it was like midnight because from Italy to America, it was midnight that all my Team called me from the U.S. sabrina, you got that role. Wow. So I have fun. I drink with all my friends, we celebrate, we toss, blah, blah, blah. Then I go back home. It's 4 o' clock a.m. and I feel beep, beep, beep, beep from my team. Sabrina, you also got the role from the Office.
Angela Kinsey
Oh, in the same day. You found out in the same day. Oh, my God.
Sabrina Impacciatore
That was actually the same night.
Angela Kinsey
Right, right, right.
Sabrina Impacciatore
So that was so crazy. I couldn't sleep. Of course. I was in my bed like, like, what's happening? What am I doing? What's going to happen? What can I do? So I had just a couple of days to take a decision and I was desperate. Really?
Angela Kinsey
You had to choose between the two? You couldn't do. Oh, you couldn't do both.
Sabrina Impacciatore
They were exactly. And there were two things that I really loved. So I was. I was really, really, really desperate, to be honest. You want to know the truth? When I took the decision, I cried for six hours and it was a long time. I wasn't crying, but I cried for six hours because I thought this is how my life. Crazy, my crazy life is. I have to say no to something that is unbelievable to me because some other thing that is unbelievable is happening. Then Greg and Michael called me. I will never forget that call. Because at first they had asked me, sabrina, can you learn an American accent? And me perfectly lying. I said, of course I can. But I was so scared. I said, how can I learn a no American accent so fastly? That then they called me, they said, sabrina, after watching your audition, we cannot imagine any other actor acting actress doing this role. So. And we also love your accent. It's so charming. God, take it, take it. And this is how it happened.
Jenna Fischer
Well, I. What a story. And you know, this is one of the great things about working with Greg Daniels is that he attaches to a performer, to an actor, and he really respects the craft of the actor and he wants to draw parts of you into the character that he had in mind. And there's such a collaboration there and you get to be a part of. You know, you said you felt like you were channeling something and Greg is. He's humble enough to invite that kind of collaboration.
Angela Kinsey
Yeah, he loves creative collaboration. I always felt like we were building something together. You know, I didn't have just this boss telling me, your character does this and you do this. It was a conversation and you're part of that. What a great story. Oh, my gosh. Good advice is one thing actually Putting it into practice is another. But you know, with Acorns, it's easy to make healthy money habits automatically.
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Jenna Fischer
What has it been like now, working on the show?
Sabrina Impacciatore
A Lot of Girls. When I got this role, then, of course, I couldn't sleep for many weeks because I was very scared. I was terrified because the quality of the acting was so high level. I said, I cannot. I will never join that level. And watching Steve Carell's work, for example, to me was epiphanic. Was I thought, this guy is one of the biggest artists on this planet. Because he's able to make me laugh in a very sophisticated way. And everything is in his eyes. He has this innocence. And there was something really incredible about him. So because I believe in energies and everything, I got to know that he was playing Uncle Vanya in New York, in Broadway. And I took a flight to go to meet him from Rome. I got a flight to see the show. I bought tickets. And then I wrote to Greg. I said, greg, I'm going to see Uncle Vanya. I want to meet Steve Carell. I want to be blessed by him. And that's what happened. So I arrived to Broadway. I saw this incredible show. He was brilliant. I couldn't believe that he was on stage playing Uncle Vanya in such a different way, so original, so far away from the character in the office. And then I went to the green room and he was the sweetest man ever and so humble. And he was telling me the most sweet things, like, you are going to crush it. You are going to have so much fun. Greg is the best. So it was really a blessing to me. I felt so blessed.
Jenna Fischer
Well, you know, right after I got my role on the Office, I had the opportunity to go to dinner with Peter Boyle, who is famous comedic actor. He had been on Everybody Loves Raymond and I loved him so much. And I remember he looked at me and he said, well, my time on Everybody Loves Raymond has come to an end, and I would like to send that energy your way now as you start your journey. As I finish my journey and you start the journey, I hope that you will have the success and the good times that I experienced. He sort of gave me his blessing, you know, and it was really meaningful to me, and I really held that. I thought, oh, my gosh. I felt like we were just. I receive it and like I was just blessed by Peter Boyle.
Sabrina Impacciatore
So you totally understand this feeling.
Angela Kinsey
Yes, I do, though. I believe in, like, the just good energy and opening yourself up to it and receiving it. And Jenna knows this story, but when I was a young actor here taking classes, working at a restaurant, you know, I read that Jim Carrey, he went to the top of Mulholland, you know, it looks out over the whole city, and he yelled into the night sky that I'm going to be a big star. I read this. I read this. I don't know if it's true. I took my friend and I, we went one night, we went up to Mulholland. You could see all the lights of Hollywood, and I wrote out what I was going to say. I was very specific. I looked out into the valley and I yelled very loudly. I said, I am going to be on a hit television show on NBC on Thursday nights.
Sabrina Impacciatore
Oh, my God. I'm going to Malhallam Drive tonight. Oh, my God.
Angela Kinsey
Isn't that so crazy? But I believe that.
Sabrina Impacciatore
Oh, yeah, I do believe in that. Imagine that. Me, before starting, I also needed the blessing of the ghosts in Chateau Marmont.
Angela Kinsey
Oh, yeah.
Sabrina Impacciatore
So I decided to go there for two weeks just to get the blessing of those ghosts. So, you know, I did all the.
Angela Kinsey
Everything I could.
Sabrina Impacciatore
I was so frightened. Many blessings here.
Jenna Fischer
When the paper is a huge success, I think everyone knows who to thank. It's you. Yes.
Angela Kinsey
You did all the things.
Sabrina Impacciatore
I'm breaking balls to every possible God. Essence like ghosts. Yeah.
Angela Kinsey
I was wondering, you know, if you would like to. Because we have a global audience on our podcast. People from all over the world listen to it, and it's very meaningful to us, but would you like to say Something in Italian to your fans in Italy that we can play on our podcast about just this time on the paper. Well, I know they'll love hearing that, and we'll Google translate it if you want.
Sabrina Impacciatore
I can translate it very shortly. It's just that I don't know what I feel. It's a vertigo. It's the biggest dream coming true. And I was wishing that all the Italian girls that have a big dream, because I know how much an Italian girl can struggle because of so many issues that we still have in our country. So that's why I was dedicating this to the Italian girls that should still believe in their dreams and just go for them.
Angela Kinsey
Love that.
Jenna Fischer
Well, before we finish up, could you tell us a little bit about your beginnings as an actress and kind of, how did you get to this place that you are now?
Sabrina Impacciatore
That's why. Because I think this is a miracle. Because. Yeah, I think I have to go.
Angela Kinsey
You have to go do your job. Your dream job. This was so lovely.
Sabrina Impacciatore
Blessed by you girls. That was the best last year. It was. Oh, my God. I can't wait to see you again. Girls. That was very beautiful.
Jenna Fischer
Oh, yes.
Sabrina Impacciatore
Oh, we'll come back. You are two geniuses, and I feel so honored to meet you. Thank you for your incredible, inspiring work.
Jenna Fischer
Thank you.
Angela Kinsey
Thank you. All right, ciao.
Sabrina Impacciatore
Ciao. Oh, my God. I'm crying again. I'm such a.
Jenna Fischer
Lady. I cannot believe we got cut off right when she was gonna tell us the story of becoming an actress. You know, that was gonna be a good story.
Angela Kinsey
Yeah.
Jenna Fischer
We have to invite her back for an extended interview.
Angela Kinsey
I would love that. I want her in the studio for a full interview. Just from our brief time with her, she had so many good life stories.
Jenna Fischer
I know. And her character on the show is so much fun. She has, like, this especially fun storyline in episode four. Like, literally everything she was saying was making me laugh.
Angela Kinsey
Hilarious. I also need everyone to see her character's office. The amount of details and just the whole look of her office for the show, it's perfection.
Jenna Fischer
You do a whole breakdown for us. It's wonderful.
Angela Kinsey
It's. Yeah, yeah.
Jenna Fischer
Well, everyone, we're getting close. It's just a couple weeks away. The paper premiering on Peacock September 4th.
Angela Kinsey
All right, we'll see you next week.
Jenna Fischer
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Sabrina Impacciatore
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Date: August 22, 2025
Hosts: Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey
Guest: Sabrina Impacciatore ("The Paper," "White Lotus")
In this special installment, Jenna and Angela continue their exclusive breakdown of "The Paper"—the highly anticipated series set in the universe of The Office. They sit down for a lively and heartfelt conversation with Sabrina Impacciatore, acclaimed Italian actress and new cast member of "The Paper." The episode explores Sabrina’s unique audition journey, her approach to building the character Esmeralda Grand, the joys and anxieties of joining an Office-adjacent show, and memorable stories surrounding the role. True to Office Ladies style, the discussion is both insightful and packed with laughter.
Audition Story:
Memorable Quote:
Greg Daniels’ Influence:
Joining the Cast:
Jenna’s Own Blessing Story:
Angela Manifesting Her Career:
Memorable & Uplifting Quote:
This episode radiates the signature warmth, humor, and behind-the-scenes camaraderie Jenna and Angela are known for. Sabrina Impacciatore emerges as a passionate, relatable new member of the Office family, full of wit and heart. The candid sharing of audition nerves, creative processes, and a dash of superstition will charm long-time fans and newcomers alike. There’s an open invitation for Sabrina’s (hopefully soon) return and an infectious excitement for The Paper’s September premiere.