CARDI B: Overcoming Depression, Blocking Out the Hate & Owning Your Power

Summary

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Episode: CARDI B: Overcoming Depression, Blocking Out the Hate & Owning Your Power
Guest: Cardi B
Date: October 6, 2025

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Episode Overview

Jay Shetty sits down with Cardi B for a rare, intimate interview that goes far beyond the headlines. They dive into Cardi’s journey from a self-described “black sheep” of her childhood to global superstardom, focusing on her battles with depression, her approach to hate and criticism, and how she’s fought to claim her own power—in music, motherhood, and life. Cardi shares her vulnerabilities, mental health journey, and unwavering ambition, offering inspiration and candid wisdom to anyone struggling to feel seen or strong.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Origins, Family, and Early Ambitions

• Bookish Childhood & Inner Universe:
  – Cardi recounts preferring history books to video games as a child, often immersing herself in reading and learning facts.
  – "When I'm spaced out, I'm not spaced out. I'm deep in my universe and planning five years ahead." (07:17, Cardi B)

• Solitude & Dreaming:
  – She describes being seen as lonely by her sister but clarifies she enjoyed planning her future in her head, creating little universes with grand goals from a young age.

• Determination to Succeed:
  – Cardi was intent on breaking the cycle of poverty:
  “I refuse to have kids and raise them in the hood. I have to find a way to never do that.” (08:46, Cardi B)
  – She always had backup plans but fought hard for her “dream job” in music.

• Influence of Family & the Bronx:
  – Cardi discusses her parents’ strong personalities, her mom's work ethic, and the challenging yet formative elements of her upbringing in the Bronx. – Navigating the tough environment gave her resilience and a sharp wit, often practicing jokes at home to deflect teasing at school (16:00–18:00).

Fame, Success, and Staying Grounded

• Navigating Fame and Anonymity:
  – She’s learned to move relatively anonymously with hoodies, sunglasses, and, during COVID, masks.

• Never Feeling Fully “Out”:
  – Cardi shares a persistent sense of never quite escaping instability:
  “Every time I feel like I was safe, I really wasn't… It’s a challenge to stay here. It’s a challenge to stay relevant. It’s a challenge to keep your mental health right.” (22:21–23:14, Cardi B)

• Earning, Not Receiving:
  – She pushes back against claims her music career was handed to her, providing examples of self-funding early concerts and hustling for record deals:
  “Everything that I did is documented. This shit wasn't given to me. I didn’t open my legs for it neither.” (46:48, Cardi B)

Facing Criticism and Hate Online

• Emotional Toll of Hate:
  – Cardi likens releasing music to baking a cake, dealing with “the worst feeling ever” when people publicly reject her work:
  “That is the worst feeling ever. It’s like a guy telling you your pussy’s trash… You work, you work ... and somebody just tells you, like, you shouldn’t be doing this.” (26:34–27:52, Cardi B)

• The Cost of Negative Narratives:
  – She explores how online criticism (“hundreds of thousands… not just criticizing the song, but criticizing you as a whole”) impacts her and why she sometimes steps back from the spotlight for her peace of mind. (27:55–29:38)

• Advice to Others:
  – Jay and Cardi reflect on how social media overamplifies negative voices, noting the mind’s tendency to undervalue positive feedback. (48:03–48:29, Jay Shetty)

Mental Health, Depression, and Healing

• Deepest Depression:
  – Cardi candidly discusses falling into her deepest depression after relationship and career struggles. She struggled to eat, sleep, or function, even as the public clamored for new music. (32:56–39:52) – “When your heart is not done, your heart is not done… It took months for the heart to say, you’re done. Because you could say it and take actions, but if you’re not done, you’re not done.” (34:05–36:56, Cardi B)

• Therapy & Time as a Healer:
  – She tried therapy but felt time was the true healer:
  “Don’t avoid that. But it will be time. Time just heals everything.” (41:08–42:10, Cardi B)

Motherhood and Values

• Motherhood as Motivation:
  – Cardi talks at length about the drive to give her children better opportunities and a safe environment. She wants them to be hardworking and independent:
  “Please don’t be a bum. Please don’t be lazy... Whatever y’all do, just don’t be a nothing.” (61:19–64:29, Cardi B)

• Balancing Success and Parenting:
  – She’s strict about discipline, scheduling additional classes and tutoring, and expects her kids to surpass her, giving them what she never had.
  “If you’ve got a crib and you can maneuver… it becomes easier for you. But don’t make me give you an apartment or car and you just out here not doing shit.” (64:37–65:43, Cardi B)

• Authenticity in Parenting:
  – She openly jokes and is “real” with her children, yet deeply loving:
  “Sometimes I be like, get the fuck – God damn it, I’m sick of you. That’s how I talk to my kids, and they still love me.” (55:23–56:01, Cardi B)

Power, Vulnerability, and Personal Growth

• Owning Her Rough Edges:
  – Cardi embraces her rough humor and strong personality, recognizing it's sometimes misunderstood:
  “I’m not this evil, mean person… I’m very compassionate and I’m a Libra. So I see always two sides of the scale.” (53:16, Cardi B)

• Wisdom with Age:
  – She acknowledges softening with maturity and parenthood:
  “Age really wisen you and make you afraid… Got more to lose.” (82:16–82:25, Cardi B)

• Intrinsic Drive and Work Ethic:
  – Cardi attributes her success to relentless hard work, and wants others to see the unseen hours (“back hurt, butt hurt, I’m sleepy as shit… Every single day. If you want it, you got to do it. No complain, no crying.” 88:46–89:20, Cardi B)

Faith and Spirituality

• Talking to God:
  – Cardi has a conversational and personal relationship with God, seeing Him as a friend and believing strongly in her spiritual protection.
  “I have a very deep spiritual connection… Even when I talk to God, I talk to him just like I’m talking to you. I be cursing.” (89:28–89:43, Cardi B)
  “If I pray on you, it’s because I love you. It’s the most powerfulest thing.” (91:16, Cardi B)

The New Album and Artistic Process

• Why Now?:
  – Cardi releases new music after seven years because “it just feels good... I feel confident about it.” (74:31, Cardi B)
• Title - Am I the Drama?:
  – The title comes from always being blamed for chaos growing up and in the media, regardless of her intentions:
  “Am I the drama? Is it me, Jesus? ... No matter how much I avoid it, it comes to me.” (76:08–76:43, Cardi B)
• Ownership:
  – She takes pride in being unapologetically herself, acknowledging both the blessing and the curse of being the celebrity who “says what everyone wants to say.” (79:22–80:33)

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Memorable Quotes

• On resilience:
  “Everything that I planned for since I was five and dreamed of, I really got it.” (07:52, Cardi B)

• On mental health and persistence:
  “I overcame that... and I am the strongest I have ever been. But it was hard.” (37:02, Cardi B)

• On criticism and authenticity:
  “Don’t let the devil win. Because how you think God feel? Cardi gave you all this shit you been asking for forever just so you could say that.” (50:45, Cardi B)

• On motherhood and legacy:
  “Ain’t no way I’m busting my ass for you motherfuckers just so you could end up not being shit. I’m giving y’all everything.” (61:19–64:29, Cardi B)

• On faith:
  “How you expect me not to believe in the person I’ve been praying to my whole life and gave me what I wanted?” (90:38, Cardi B)

• On leaving a mark:
  “You want your kids to say that about you – that you worked hard every day, that everything you got, you deserved it, that you made it. Nobody gave it to you.” (61:19–62:45, Cardi B)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [06:00] – Childhood solitude, dreaming, and inner planning universe
• [14:18] – The drive to escape the hood & the realities of urban poverty
• [22:14] – Never feeling “out” or safe in her career
• [24:45] – Withstanding public scrutiny, misogynistic criticism, and the effect on music releases
• [32:56] – On depression: Signs, struggles, and the process of healing
• [41:08] – Time as the ultimate healer, therapy’s (limited) role
• [53:16] – Combatting misunderstandings and embracing her roughness and compassion
• [61:19] – Parenting philosophy: Instilling hard work and independence
• [74:31] – Why it took seven years to release her next project
• [76:08] – Origin and meaning behind the album “Am I the Drama?”
• [89:28] – Relationship with faith, spiritual practice, and prayer

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Notable Final Five

1. Best advice: “Ask the difficult questions. The difficult questions make the relationship stronger...” (92:27)
2. Worst advice: “Sometimes when somebody told me to wear a certain outfit or drop a certain song…” (93:06)
3. Never apologize for: “My mouth. Well, sometimes I'll apologize, but not all the time...” (93:25)
4. Value no longer held: “The streets... I value it a lot, and I don't. It don't love you back ever.” (93:44)
5. Law for the world: “If you hurt children, you gotta get… clipped. And if you’re a woman, they need to burn it.” (94:31)

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Tone & Style

True to form, Cardi’s voice is candid, fearless, and emotionally vivid—ranging from fierce, no-nonsense work ethic and “real talk” humor to vulnerable, tearful reflections on heartbreak and mental health. Jay Shetty’s thoughtful and warm interviewing style helps bring out a side of Cardi rarely seen in the media.

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In Summary

This episode is a deep, refreshing dive into the complexities of Cardi B—beyond the headlines or the social media image. Listeners gain honest insight into the grit behind her success, her honest struggles with mental health and motherhood, and a powerful reminder that working hard, hoping for better, and staying true to yourself is a lifelong journey, not a finished project. Cardi’s story offers resilience, relatability, and raw wisdom for anyone determined to overcome their circumstances or insecurities.

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For more:

• Listen to the full episode on “On Purpose with Jay Shetty.”
• Check out Cardi’s new album, “Am I the Drama?”

Transcript

[Cardi B]

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[Jay Shetty]

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[Cardi B]

My marriage. I felt the love dying. I was crying every day. I fell in the deepest depression that I had ever had. The number one health and wellness podcast. Jay Shetty.

[Jay Shetty]

Jay Shetty.

[Amy Brown]

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[Jay Shetty]

Cardi B. Welcome to On Purpose.

[Cardi B]

Hi.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh my gosh. I have to tell you something. And I mean this. You can go back six years when I launched the podcast. People would always ask me, they'd say, who do you want on the show?

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Like, who would be your dream guest? And I'd always say, cardi B. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because no one would ever put us in the same room together. We're just so different externally. But I believe there's a. There's a spiritual connection that we'll find out today.

[Cardi B]

You know, it's so funny. I saw a video of you and I definitely won't. I was like, I want to send it to my Boyfriend. But it's about, like, asking difficult questions. And it's like when you. When you ask difficult questions and you get through, you get over the difficult question and you discuss the difficult questions, it really do make you stronger. It really do make the relationship stronger. It is like, oh, my gosh, he really is like, is he a psychic?

[Jay Shetty]

Did you send it to him?

[Cardi B]

Huh?

[Jay Shetty]

Did you send it to your boyfriend? What did he say?

[Cardi B]

He was like, yeah, exactly. And I was like, yeah, exactly.

[Jay Shetty]

Did it. Did it change any behavior? Did it?

[Cardi B]

We'll see.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay. Okay.

[Cardi B]

On the next question.

[Jay Shetty]

I love it. I love it. I wanted to ask you, first of all, I heard that you have a hidden talent that you can name the 46 presidents in order. Is that real?

[Cardi B]

I can't. It go. It comes and go, Okay. I just know a lot of weird, different facts about presidents.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay.

[Cardi B]

And people will be like, but why? That is so random. Like, when I was younger, I didn't really had, like, Nintendo's and I didn't. Sometimes I had cable and sometimes I didn't. So I just really had no choice but to read. And, like, I like to read, like, factual stuff. So I would just read, like a whole bunch of history things. Like me, I will literally, when I'm bored, like, you know how they give you the history books in your school? I will literally read the whole history book in a week from front to back, just. Just because I'm bored.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow, that's impressive though. Do you still get bored now? Do you even have time to be bored or.

[Cardi B]

I don't be bored, but that's like, what I really just like to watch and everything. So, like, I watched it, like, watch YouTubes on, like, factual things. Like, I just get into certain. Certain topics, and I always go down a rabbit hole. And then I be obsessed with it for a week, and then it's just like, whatever.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I feel like you can't go anywhere without being recognized. I mean, you have such an iconic look even today. I was admiring it when you walked in. I was like, what inspires this? But if you could be anonymous for 24 hours, what would you do? If no one could recognize you, no one could see you, what would you do?

[Cardi B]

Well, you know what's so funny? Like, I really do, like, I don't always look like this, so I usually go outside, probably with glasses or probably not, but I always go outside with, like, a oversized hoodie. And then I'm not even going to lie due to Covid for, like, a long time. It really did help Using the mask. But I do a lot of things by myself with no security, just because I'm a person that if I want to. If I want to go and buy a steak to cook, I will go downstairs to whole foods and buy it.

[Jay Shetty]

And self care yourself and no one will know and no one will see you.

[Cardi B]

They might or they might not. But I feel like I already maneuver how to like, oh, it's cardi b. And I just walk fast and maneuver my way around.

[Jay Shetty]

That's impressive.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

You know, this show is all about getting to know the person behind the music, behind the stardom, behind the fame, getting to know the human behind it.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

And I feel like your journey, even though you've talked about it, I'd love to dive into some parts that I find fascinating.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

And I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory that you have that you think defines who you are today?

[Cardi B]

Oh, it's a lot. Well, it's not really like a childhood memory, but me and my sister, we used to go to the same school. Right. Even though, like, she's three years younger than me. And she always be telling me this thing. Right. She always be telling me this. She used to. She always tells me, like, oh, I used to see you in the cafeteria in the morning by yourself with your head down. And I used to feel so bad for you. And it's like, why? And she's like, I don't know, because you just looked so lonely. And I to tell her, like, it's like, I was not lonely. I just always need time to think and be by myself. Like I'm a person that I have friends, but I don't really like to be around people that much. Sometimes. I just. I'm always in my thoughts. Like, there's like a hundred people and I feel like it's been like that since I was 5 years old. That talk in my head and plan things out, plan my future, plan my life. It's like I'm playing dollhouse in my head. You know, like when you play with your dolls.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I get it.

[Cardi B]

And you make a scenario. Not a scenario. Or like you. You build your home and this and you're that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Like a little universe or what?

[Cardi B]

A little universe. I'm always planning a universe in my head. And it's just sometimes people say that I have like an interesting look. Like. Like if I'm spaced out, I'm not spaced out. I'm. I'm deep in my universe and planning five years ahead.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow. So you're dreaming Planning, visioning. You do these different workers, different use in your head, have different names or personalities or. No, it's just.

[Cardi B]

No, it's not really. No. Different personalities is just straight planning tomorrow. Straight planning for five years. Straight. Straight imagining what I. What I want.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Cardi B]

And it's crazy because it's like, everything that I planned for since I was five and dreamed of, I really gotten it.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Cardi B]

Even when I was, like, younger, Even when I was, like, younger, I used to look at my mom and I used to be like, I want to be so pretty and beautiful like her. And I grew up to be the pretty, beautiful woman that she is. But I also wanted, like, to be very successful. Very. I'm not gonna say rich, but, like, very successful. I really hated being poor. And I used to say, like, is that I refuse to have kids and raise them in the hood. I have to find a way to never do that. But I always wanted kids, and I figured it out. And not only did I figure it out, but it's like, I always have plan B, Cs and Ds, but I don't. I didn't have to settle for plan B, C, and D. I had. I settled for my dream. Like, this is my dream job, and I have it. It's a little bit more difficult than what I saw in my dreams, but I'm living it. But I always wanted.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, that's incredible. As that little girl who was sitting alone that your sister said she would see you and she'd feel sorry for you, but inside your head, you were dreaming. Was it dreaming about music? Was it dreaming about getting out the hood? What were those dreams? What did they look like to that little girl?

[Cardi B]

Back then, I always felt like I was gonna be a superstar. And it's so weird because my grandma, she has, like, a lot of grandkids, but she always used to tell me that. And it's like, why you always used to tell, like. I don't understand why she used to tell me that all the time. Like, I used to be like, a little black sheep. I used to, like, nag a lot. I have, like, cousins that. They're very pretty. They have beautiful, beautiful eyes. They just stand out so much. And it's not that I don't stand out. It's just, like, out of everybody. My grandma used to be like, you're gonna be a superstar. You need to practice how to sing because you're gonna be a superstar. And I just knew I was meant to be something. Like, for some reason, me and my sister, we have, like, really strong personalities. And I feel like, like the things that they used to tell me, they would tell her the same thing too. Like, all my teachers, all my friends, they're gonna be like, you're gonna be somebody. You're gonna be somebody someday. But I always used to wonder, like, it's like, what is my calling? Cause I used to like acting in school, but I'm not a good actress. I used to like singing, but I'm not a good singer. I'm not the greatest singer, like, from the pack, from the school. I'm not the greatest singer. Like, if I play, they will pick somebody else because they sing better than me, or they will pick somebody else because they act better than me. So. And then it's like, oh, people. You say like, I'm so funny, but it's like, I not a comedian, show. Like, it's like I am, I'm naturally funny, but I, I can't see it as my job. Just, just, just, just my mouth. This is just me being me. So it's like, what is my calling? And I always wonder what is my calling that everybody say that is that I'm gonna be somebody. But what am I gonna be? I don't know. And God gave it to me. God show it to me. And God really did gave it to me. And here I am. And I just can't believe that millions of people know me.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Congratulations. When I hear you say that, and you always exude this confidence. You're outspoken, you're bold. Was it always like that since you were a young girl, or did that develop over time? Where did that come from?

[Cardi B]

I was like born like this. I was always, I always been like this. I guess I got my real quiet side and I always got like, into myself side because like I said, I'd be in my own universe. Quiet planning and planning. But I feel like when I open my mouth or when I am who I am, it's just. This is just how I am. But if I kind of think about it, I mean, like, my family are very, like, funny. They're very loud. My parents are a little different from each other, but they're very loud. They have very strong personalities, both of them. So I feel like it just all came into you. Came into me?

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

So it's like, you know how people, I don't know, maybe you know how people. Parents give their kids they looks.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

I think my parents gave me a mix of they both personality. I'm a little bit of both of them.

[Jay Shetty]

Cardi b Even still, today finds time for her quiet side.

[Cardi B]

I'm naturally quiet, though.

[Jay Shetty]

I. I'm like, tell me about that. I want to know about that. I'm like, I don't think people know that.

[Cardi B]

Yeah. Like, I'm naturally in my room, just deep in my thoughts and just deep, deep, deep. I might just talk to you the whole day as a friend on the phone, but I don't really want to see you, which is so weird. Like, I could talk to my friends all day long, but. But I like to be by myself all the time. I don't really.

[Jay Shetty]

Are people surprised when they figure that out with you?

[Cardi B]

Yeah. And my friends don't feel a certain type of way about that because they know me.

[Jay Shetty]

They know you.

[Cardi B]

Yeah, yeah. They know I'm not the friend that want to go out to dinner. They know that I'm not that. They know I'm not the friend that, oh, I'm just going to go to your house and chill and blah, blah, blah. But we will be on the phone, like, forever.

[Jay Shetty]

So what about, like, parties, events, all of that kind of stuff that's like, is it work? Is it networking or.

[Cardi B]

I do like to party, but sometimes I haven't even really had the time for it. Lately, I haven't really had the time for it. And to be honest with you, even before I was, like, famous and everything, I wasn't really a club girl. I was already a dancer. So I work in the club. So it's like, I didn't really care to, like, oh, I'm going to the club today for what I work in. It's just like, I always been like, a person that just work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work. Focus on the bigger picture. Just focus on the biggest thing. I always wanted kids. So the goal is to be comfortable before the kids get here.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cardi B]

That was always my goal. My goal was always to be a mother. But having your own. I had my own before I became a mother.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. I mean, you said just a few moments ago that you didn't want to raise kids in the hood. Talk to me about what? We don't know about that. Like, how hard was it? What was it that was so bad that you were like, I could never raise my kids in the place I grew up in.

[Cardi B]

It's just a lot of things. Like, sometimes when kids are, like, bad or they get into trouble, people automatically blame the parents. And you can have the best parents, like my parents. They are not criminals. They have never even committed a crime. My grandma used to tell My mom, a lot like is that you're pretty for no reason. And I feel like they used to tell her that because it's like she's so pretty. So it's like, you know, Caribbean folks is like when you're pretty and you're this and that, it's like they always expect you to be with a man that got a lot of money. And my mom, she was never even that type of person. She was a very modest and honest, hard working woman. So. And my dad, he's a good man. He's a party animal, but he's a good man, he's a good person, he's a good dad. However, you will end up going in the wrong path or going in the wrong direction because the influence around you because certain peer pressure or because you almost have no choice, especially if you're a boy. You never know if you're going to have a boy or girl, especially if you're a boy. And when you are a girl, it is a little bit difficult, it is a little bit tougher. I feel like people just grow a little bit faster in the hood. Like when I was 11 years old, there was girls in my class in the sixth grade, 11 years old. I have nieces that are 11 years old. All they want to do is play Roblox nowadays. But when I was 11 years old, there was girls that were already at 11 in sixth grade. So it's like you go certain paths, path or your environments. Like boys too in the hood, they're a little faster. So you know, you will be walking down the block and the typical little bad boy, he'll slap your ass out of nowhere. He'll slap your ass out of nowhere. You start arguing with him, he'll smack the shit out of your face. There. That's how boys, a lot of boys in the Bronx are. They're very like aggressive. They're aggressive with girls, they're aggressive, they grouped out, they, they grope you. You just never know. Like one of the, one of the reasons also why I'm so witty with my mouth. People were like, why are you so witty? Why are you so thin? Like going to school? It was like, it was almost like, like, I think that's why I'm always so tough. Like boys or girls? Mostly boys. They used to like kind of like make fun of certain things, but not only just me, to everybody. Like you look at your shoes, they're le. Look at your hair. Your hair is never not done. So I used to go home and I used to go in the mirror and practice my jokes. And the next day I will be like, all right, I can't wait till he flame me. I got a joke or two for him. That's why I'm so witty too, as well. So it's like, I don't want to raise my kids in that type of environment. I don't want to. And then on top of that, is that it is fun. I had a lot of fun in the hood, but. But it's like, it's not fun, like, for me, right? It's not fun living in an apartment, right? And contrary to what I say, I don't cook, I don't clean. I grew up with a mom that will make me brush the corners. The corners of the apartment, like, brush it by hand. That's how clean my. My home had to be. My crib had to be. Every day I was doing dishes. Every day I was mopping floors. Every day I was making sure that I go side to the parking lot and take off the garbage. And even though no matter how clean your apartment is, there will still be roaches, there will still be mices, because your neighbor, probably a hoarder, the person downstairs is dirty. Y' all live in the same building. You cannot avoid certain. Certain rodents and stuff. And it's like, I don't want to put my. My kids through that. And it's like, I have to find another way. And then. Then another thing. They always, like, gets me in my head. It's like this one time, my mom, she was working very hard, but we still needed help. So she went to welfare to get, like, benefit. Like a benefit card and stuff like that. And the lady, like, my mom, she's the type of person, like, it's like, if you rude to her, she gonna be like, oh, I don't gotta take this. And she would just storm out, like, I don't gotta take. Nobody gotta talk. Gonna talk to me like that. She got a very strong character. And this lady was talking so rude and so nasty to my mom. And she was me telling. Taking it because we needed the help. I don't want nobody to feel like they have to talk to me a certain type of way because I need the help. And it's like, this could never, ever be me. I would never want to, like, be in a situation where I have to go get welfare, and the social worker is talking to me like, I'm a dog, like, I need you. And I just felt so bad for my mom because she just felt so I could tell her face that she. She was just, like, looking for the papers that she needed. Like, it just. That vision is always in my head, and it's like, it be getting me mad. I hope that lady. I want punch in her face to this day, and I don't want that. I ain't wanted that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

And as a woman, even if you get with a man with money, you should have your own. Because one thing you learn from young, One thing I learned from having aunts, you could have a man with money. You can have a kid with money. If you stop doing what that man asks you to do, or if that man decides to leave, or if you deal with a man from the streets and you go to jail, that's your child. That's you. That's your responsibility. That's your hustle. You got to grind for. That child is always two parents, but sometimes not really two parents. And the dad could be alive right there and then. That's why you always got to have your own. It's not even about, oh, I don't need a man. I don't need the father. I don't need the thing. But sometimes it gets to the point that it's like they're going to make you feel that way. That's why you need it. I had cousins and I had aunts, and I have it. That is like, they. Men have a little bit of money, have a little bit of land, have a little bit of this. And when those men are done and through with you and put you off the ringer, it's like, yeah, I'm not dealing with that kid no more. Or like, you get these $200 every three, four months when I want you to. I'm not dealing with that. That's why I was like. But I always wanted to have kids. So it's like I have to have my own shit before I become a mom. And that's exactly what happened. And I only do it. And I only have one kid. I have three kids. And that's exactly. Not exactly the number that I want, but I always wanted a. A big family. Like, I'm. I love family. I love family. And as a higher possibility that I won't be in a living assistant home with all the kids.

[Jay Shetty]

How many kids do you want?

[Cardi B]

I want, like, six.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay, so three more.

[Cardi B]

Mm. I want, like, three more kids.

[Jay Shetty]

Three more kids. I love that for you. I mean, hearing you say that, I mean, as I was listening to you, I could tell there's like a. There's almost like a. You can almost vision what that life was like, yeah. And there's a part of you that's like, so happy you got out. At the same time, there's. There's such a part of it that's there inside of you that you've been fighting against, you've been breaking out of. Right. Like, for all of these years, when was the moment you felt like, I'm out, Like, I broke out? Like, when was that moment where you really felt like, I did it, I'm out, I made it. You know, I'm safe now.

[Cardi B]

It's crazy because every single time I feel like I felt like I was safe, I really wasn't.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, interesting.

[Cardi B]

Yeah. When I got on tv, when I first got on tv, I was like, did I make it? I didn't feel like I made it because I used to see girls go on reality TV shows, and then they will end up right back in the strip club where I was at. So I never felt like it was at. Oh, on tv. I made it. It's like, I'm almost there, but I didn't made it. Then when I got signed to a label, it's like, I'm almost near making it because I'm signed, but I'm not where I want to be. Where I really felt like I made it was when Borac Yellow came out. The million that I made, the first real million that I made, I had to share. Nobody. I had to share with managers because they signed me to something. It's mine. It's mine. But I never felt comfortable. I still, to this day, don't feel comfortable, especially with how everybody just trying to take it from you all the time. It's like, I fight every day to keep this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad. And people just feel like they could tell you when you deserve to have this success because it just looks so easy. But it's not. It really is not. It's a challenge to stay here. It's a challenge to stay relevant. It's a challenge to keep your mental health right. It's a challenge to. Getting up every day is a challenge. It's a job. Everybody has a job. You can't complain about getting up and doing a job. The only thing I could complain about is millions of people that love you and then millions of people getting in your head and telling you that you don't deserve your job that you work hard for. That's what it is. We all have jobs. That's what it is about being adult. Oh, don't. Don't complain to them. Everybody want to complain. I work so hard. I work so hard. I work so hard. You have to work hard to pay your bills. But when you work hard and people tell you that you don't deserve the success that you have and you don't deserve to do what you do after you put in so much work, that's what with you, for real.

[Jay Shetty]

What makes you feel like that every day? What are the things that make you feel like there's people constantly coming at you. What does that look like in your life?

[Cardi B]

I tell you something that, like, been going on for, like, a hot minute, right? Like, a lot of people think that I put out music, then put out an album, that I don't be putting out this and that because, I don't know. They always say that, like, I'm always getting pregnant all the time. But I don't think people follow timelines when it comes to having kids. I'm very seasoned by now. I'm very seasoned right now. When I had my child, at the beginning, I canceled going on a tour with Bruno Mars because it was my first time having a kid. I did not know anything. I didn't have no nanny, no night nurse. I was figuring out all by myself. I was figuring out postpartum. I was figuring out everything, right? But even when I had a child, it didn't stop me. Three months after I gave birth, I was going. I was doing shows four or five shows a week into Covid. Then Covid happened, and I put out this big record, Wap. And I put up up. Then I got pregnant, and people thought that I didn't put out an album because I got pregnant. But the reason why I didn't put out an album is because I didn't have a body of work. I just didn't have a body of work. So I couldn't put out no music because I didn't have a body of work. Then last year, I was planning to have an album. I was planning to put out an album, but I couldn't focus. I fell in the deepest depression that I had ever had. And with that depression, I couldn't function. I couldn't function at nothing. And when I talk about function, it's not even like, oh, just working. I couldn't eat. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't do nothing. So that just halted everything that I had. So it's not really because of having a baby sometimes, too. I don't be wanting to put music because I love being in the studio and I love creating Music And I love perfecting my craft. And that's like baking a cake. You bake a cake, you practice baking the cake, you practice baking a cake. And then when you put out the songs, sometimes it be good. And sometimes like for ex, people would just be like, we hate it and she shouldn't be doing this. And that's like you baking a cake. You bake a cake. You bake a cake and people eat the cake and then people be like, this is the worst cake ever. And they splat it. Have you ever seen the Simpson movie? It's pretty shit when they splat the cake. That's how I be feeling. And it's like, that is the worst feeling ever. That's like a guy can you and you think you have the best pussy in the world and they tell you your pussy's trash. You should never nobody no more. That's just how I feel. Like you work, you work, you work, you try your best to perform, perfect your craft, and somebody just tell you, like, you shouldn't be doing this. You should never do this ever in your life. It brings you down so much and it switch your mental so much that it's like, this is why I kind of avoided. Just for a peace of mind. Just for a peace of mind. I have been okay for almost a year. Like after I gave birth to my daughter, I was a little happy. I was going outside, I started dating. I started feeling really good. Sometimes I have bad days, sometimes I have good days because I feel like I'm resetting in life. Last week when I put out a song, and it's not really the criticism in the song, the way that people ate me up, tore me up, chew me up just because of one song. I feel like I didn't deserve that. Especially for a song that I put so much work in that I just was like, this is why I don't really put music out like this. Because I remember how this used to feel. This is a very terrible feeling to have. This is a very terrible feeling to have. And you tell yourself, like, it's like a lot of these people that are telling you these type of things don't have no jobs, don't have no titles, don't have no this. But when it's millions and millions and hundreds of thousands of people, like, is that not only are they criticizing the song, they criticizing you as a whole? It just be like, this is why I don't really put things up too much. Because it's just like the mental health, the peace of mind is so much. You just gotta ask yourself sometimes, is it even worth it? Is it even worth it? Because I haven't felt down like last week for a very long time for almost like a year. Almost like a year.

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[Jay Shetty]

Talk to me about that depression. For you, as confident as you are, as bold as you are to be so vulnerable and I'm so sorry you went through that. But to be so honest and open about the fact that a year ago you were in this dark depression and it seems like the worst it had ever been.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

What got you there? Why were you feeling so low?

[Cardi B]

It was just a lot of pressure from my career. And I also felt like my marriage, like I felt the love dying from my end, from, From. From my end, from his end. I was very lonely because I chose to be lonely. Choose to be lonely. I was saying, like, you know what? I can't go through this anymore. I. I have to put a stop to it. But when I said I was going to put a stop to it, because you could say you're going to put a stop to it and you could, you could go a month without being around somebody is not. It's not until you. It's not when you say so, it's when your heart say so. I kept telling myself, I will not contact this person for a month. I will not give in. I will not forgive this easy. I will not go back. I will not go to the pattern. I will not go through it. But I was crying every day. I was hurt every day. I was out here in la, in a mansion by myself. I was thinking about it every single day. And when your heart is not done, your heart is not done. Then I told myself, I'm pregnant. I'm going to accept the. I'm going to accept my flaws, the flaws that I bring in this marriage. I'm going to apologize for it and I'm going to work on it. And when I take accountability and you take advantage of me taking accountability and you take that as a. See, I know she be back. Instead of me taking accountability and you taking advantage of that, it really just killed everything. And while it was dying, I had a human groin in me and I just had. And I just kept thinking, like, it's like, what's life going to be without this person? What Life going to be without raising my last child, without this person? Was life going to be with that person not being my friend anymore? Without nothing. When you have those type of thoughts, it will make you sad, it will get you depressed, it will have you lost. But I overcame that. And I am the strongest that, like, I have ever been. Like, I almost feel like. When was I ever my strongest? My. The. I felt my strongest when I was 22, 23, 24. That's when I felt like my strongest. And I was like, living in a power. And that's how I feel right now. Like, I feel like I live in a power. And it took months for the heart to say, you're done. Instead of my mouth and my brain, my heart had to be like, you're done. Because you could say it and you could take actions, but even if you take actions, if you're not done, you're not done. Like, I kept asking, like, around that time, I was working with Shakira and I was like, how the did you overcame this? Like, how did you overcame this? And it's like, it's going to happen, and it's like, it will never happen. And it happened. It took some crying, it took some thoughts, scary thoughts. But I'm here, honey. Yeah, I'm here. And I'm the strongest I've been. And I'm just.

[Jay Shetty]

I love hearing that.

[Cardi B]

But it was hard.

[Jay Shetty]

I can tell. I could tell. I could see it as I'm speaking to you.

[Cardi B]

It's.

[Jay Shetty]

It's not easy. And I think those moments in all of our lives are the most difficult moments. What did you do for your mental health at that time? What did you do? What actions did you take? What did you have to do to keep yourself together and come back the strongest you are right now? I think there are so many people who are listening, who have probably been through similar things, who feel broken, feel hurt, feel lost and confused. What worked for you that helped you come back the strongest you've ever been?

[Cardi B]

I don't know if it was just time because I kind of did a little bit of everything. Like, I did do therapy. I did. So I did saw a therapist. She's really good, by the way. It was like on Zoom, and it was like I was telling myself, like, it's like, I can't believe I'm telling a whole stranger my feelings, my thoughts, my personal business for three hours straight. I was just like, what the am I doing? That just feels so weird. Yeah, I was in there. I did therapy for. I did a couple of sessions they gave me. No, nothing. I was all spring, all summer, recording. It just wasn't, like, enough. I just felt like I just had to let it die on its own. Let things die on its own. And the bad thing about it is that it's like, not only am I dealing with that, that's my personal life. I was also dealing with fans putting pressure on me because they want, you know, they want an album, they want products from me. I had people that don't like me talking down on me, and then I had peers trying to start problems with me, and all of that while I was going through a mental breakdown at home. So it was just a lot. It was like, I'm trying to work it, I'm trying to sleep it. After I gave birth to my daughter, my baby girl, I was just like, it. Take a break from work. And I was just going out every weekend with my friends. It was scary talking to somebody else and giving them a little piece of me. Not just out my heart, just a little piece of me. And. But I overcame that, and I just. That's why I feel like I just became a little bit more better. Like, just resetting.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. It's a good reminder that time is the ultimate reset. And time does have a healing power that we. You know the cliche of time heals all wounds, but it's the truth. But it's true. Yeah, it's a cliche because there's truth in it.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

There's some reality in it that time and distance and. And being patient enough, I was. I was working with a client recently who was going through a breakup. And when we would speak in the first month, she would tell me every single day that she couldn't stop thinking about the guy she was breaking up with that broke up with her. And then the second month, she'd tell me every other day. And then the third month, you tell me once a week. And then the fourth month, she was just telling me once a month. And I was like, you don't see it, but I see that it's affecting you less and less and less as time goes on. But when it's you, you feel like you're just still stuck there. And so it's such a great reminder that time is the ultimate reset and time does heal.

[Cardi B]

And. And just because time heal, like, in the meantime, don't. Don't think that, like, you shouldn't, like, try to get help, because it's like, therapy didn't really help me like, that.

[Jay Shetty]

It didn't work for you.

[Cardi B]

Not as much. Well, maybe because. Maybe because I didn't get to the part of where you get the help. I mean, I did do this, like, six sessions. I don't know if I don't know how long. Like, sometimes when I give advice to girls, I be like, bitch, boss up, boss up. Go to work, get pretty. But even when I was doing that, I had, like, a pain in my heart. And sometimes when I was going out with my friends and I was having a good time, it will always be, like, around 4:30am when it's time to go home and I'm drunk and I'm thinking to myself, I am alone. I don't have nobody to talk to. And it feels really weird and it feels very lonely, especially when you're used to that. However, don't avoid that. Don't like, don't avoid that. But it will be time. That will heal. Will be time. Time just heals everything.

[Jay Shetty]

When you said again last week, you were saying when you put new music out, it was kind of the lowest you'd felt in another year. What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism? Because, like you said, you're quick with it. You've got responses. You've lived in a place where you had people coming at you. Why is it so hard to put out something you love? It seems like you really put your heart into your work.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

And so when you put that out, is that why the criticism hurts the most? Because you put so much heart and soul into your work?

[Cardi B]

Yes, because I put, like, a lot. I always. I don't. Like what? Like, I'm not a lazy person, and I do understand my flaws. Well, it's not really my flaws because a lot of people will say something about my accent. Right. But it's funny because my accent, to some people might be my flaw, but it's also my superpower and what makes me unique. Some people say that I have a Spanish. A Spanish accent, but I really don't really have a Spanish accent. I have a very unique accent. I talk very unique. When you try your best to, like, perfect your accent, perfect your flows, perfect everything, I always try to perfect everything that I'm doing. At the time, I was trying to perfect it. Like, even when I was a stripper, I guess, like, okay, I'm a stripper, but I'm a. Be the best pole dancer in here, and I'm a. Can bust my ass, bust my knees, practice every day, and to, like, be the best at it. That's the same with music. I'M going to perfect it. That's the same with my marketing. I'm going to perfect it. That's the same with my business. I'm going to perfect it. I like to perfect things, and if it's not the best things, if I'm not the best at it, I could say that I tried to be and I worked my ass off to be and I didn't make it easy for myself. So when people just throw it in your face and then make other narratives on top of it with that, it's like, that is so mean. And there's also like different narratives of you. Like, it's like, wow, you don't even know me. You don't even know me. And you making all these stories, scenarios, all this dis over one song. Like, for example, when I did this song and people didn't like this song, so many people was like, they just. Cardi was. Cardi never deserved to be a rapper. They just made it so easy for her. And it's funny because it's like this shit was not given to me. I worked my ass off for me and I planned it. Just like, you see, when I was a little girl, I used to plan everything. I plan every step, every single step. And I might even be inspirational to other artists coming up. Because for a long time since I have such a big personality, people just felt like, she's funny, she's funny, she's funny. So it was really hard for labels to take me serious. And some labels were trying to can give me scraps to do a slavering record deal. And even when I was on TV and I thought I was going to be my big break for, like, people to recognize me as an artist, it wasn't. I was doing good numbers on my mixtape. It wasn't enough. So the money that I was getting for partying and hostings, I took that money. I made my own concerts. And the best thing about it is that everything is documented. I did my own concerts. 500 to 400 people in New York, 800 people came out singing my songs. And I went to a label and I was like, this is why you need to sign me. It's not just Instagram. It is real Life. And the $15,000 that I used to get for hosting parties, I used it to rent cars, rent buses, rent venues, to perform my songs, to show these labels. Like, it's like, I'm the one. This shit ain't fake. This shit ain't a personality thing. This ain't a love and hip hop thing. This is, this is what my music is doing. This is the people singing it. Doing all of that and not being this far after. You plan everything and people will tell you that you don't deserve it and you got it because of this, this and that. That pisses me the off.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

Cause everything, everything that I did is documented. This shit wasn't given to me. I didn't open my legs for it neither. So that's the type of shit that be getting me angry. Like, it's like, don't tell me that I didn't put the work in. When I put the work in. There's days that I. I miss. I miss birthdays, I miss. I miss birthdays, I miss family events. This has gotten in the way of like my, my. My personal relationships, marriage and everything. Just for somebody to tell me, somebody that never did shit in their mother life told me that I don't deserve it. Get the out of here.

[Jay Shetty]

Absolutely. I mean, you know what, though? I also find that Instagram and TikTok or whatever platform it is, the comments that are negative are just loud because you can literally go to someone's comment section and see negativity or whatever. But then, like you said, you go to an arena and everyone in the arena is screaming their name and singing their songs. And so it is this really weird thing that happened that happens for the mind where you're watching your page or you're watching yourself on someone else's page, and there's criticism, but then actually there's all these other people that love you. The negativity and the hate is just so loud.

[Cardi B]

It is.

[Jay Shetty]

People say stuff.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Whereas the people that love you, they just press the heart. Right. So it's always like that weird thing where I'm like, the mind just overvalues negative feedback and undervalues the positive feedback because the negative feedback is just so critical and loud and heavy when you reflect on it. And after you think about it for a week, do you think, I want to prove them wrong or do you go, actually, who cares about them? Where do you end up after a week of reflecting on it?

[Cardi B]

Like last week, right, I was in tears and I was telling myself. I was telling myself, like, it's like not only myself. I told this to my friend. Actually, I told this to my friend. I was like, sometimes people say, don't let the devil win, but what happens if you let the devil win? Maybe I need to let the devil win so I can have a peace of mind. And then I'm like thinking to myself, like, why the fuck would I ever say let the devil win? Imagine praying to God on your knees every single night, asking, God, God, please bless me with this. God, please give me that. God, please give me this, please give me that. Please bless me with this, please bless me with that. Just so you could like everything that God gave you. Tell the devil here you could have it because he's sending. Sometimes the devil sends evil in human forms and in human mouths and humans tongue just so you could tell the devil to have it. Like, imagine how God feels. Imagine God be like, all right, baby, all right, girl. Here, you. Here, here, here, have this. You wanted this. Here, here's what you get. And then like. Like, it's like. It's like he's giving you something. And then you go to school and they'd be like, that's ugly. And that's something that you've been asking him for a long time. And now you don't like it because somebody told you that it's ugly.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, well said.

[Cardi B]

And it's like how I almost let the devil win. And I was telling myself that. I was telling myself that. And like I said, I was telling it. But sometimes you gotta believe it from the heart. Cause your mind could tell you it, your mouth could say it, but you gotta believe it from the heart. This week though, I feel so much better and I feel so much confident. And I was like, I'm not gonna let the devil win. I'm not gonna be like, you know what I was telling my team? Like, I was like, you know what? I just need some days off. And it's like, how the are you gonna take some days off when your team been planning all of these. All of these things that you had to do for your album rollout because of these people that are spewing things that the devil wants you to think of yourself. I almost let this motherfucker win.

[Jay Shetty]

Don't let the devil win.

[Cardi B]

Because how you think God feel? How you think God feel? Cardi gave you all this shit you've been asking for forever just so you could say that. That really pissed me off about myself, because I can't believe I said that.

[Jay Shetty]

Well, no, I think it's human. I mean, even as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking everyone will be relieved. Because you know, when someone is confident and as bold as you are, and as outspoken as you are, which are all amazing qualities. The truth is, though, that we all have these human moments. And it's not a weakness. It's natural for all of us to feel pain, to experience sadness to experience. And it humanizes you in a good way. It makes me feel like, oh, wow. If Cardi feels that, then, hey, I can feel that too. You know, if she goes through those days and she gets out of them and a week later she's feeling better, and a year ago she was in a real mess and she's feeling better, then maybe I can take something from that as well.

[Cardi B]

I'm not a perfect person. I'm not a perfect person, and sometimes I'm a little bit misunderstood.

[Jay Shetty]

How do you think you're misunderstood?

[Cardi B]

I don't even want to bring this up again, but it's like, I could tell you how I misunderstood. I actually got dragged for weeks because of this. So I made this. I think I'm just a little misunderstood sometimes. I could be. I don't have a dark. I'm not a dark humor person. I'm not a dark humor person. But sometimes, like, my humor could be a little rough, and I feel like my humor could be a little rough because, like, you know, like I said, like, boys in the Bronx, they will make really tough jokes on you. And then on top of that, like, it's like a family like mine, we're always cracking jokes on each other. It's like being Caribbean. Caribbean people. Like, if you too skinny, they'll be like, girl, you shaped like candle. Like, you shaped like a candle. Just small like a candle, like a white candle. Or like Dominicans, like, when you shape, like, big from the top and small on the bottom, they'd be like, what does that mean? Is a certain type of yam.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay, okay?

[Cardi B]

And it's like, it's rude, but it's like, it's just something that is, like, people just joke around that. It's just so naturally. So sometimes my jokes might be a little bit not for everybody. And when I make certain jokes, like, like, I made a joke the other day with my fans because they literally started the joke, and then I continue the joke, and because of the joke, and I refuse to apologize for it, people was just saying that I'm just such a mean person that I was trying to bully people, that I'm hurtful to people, but it's like, I wasn't even trying to hurt nobody. My intent wasn't to hurt nobody. It's just like, everybody naturally jokes with their friends. Everybody naturally jokes with their peers. Everybody just might say not. Not the most nicest jokes or stuff like that. However, like, I'm not trying to hurt nobody. I don't want to hurt nobody. And so many people criticize me because of that or, like, judge my character because of that. But it's like, I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that. That I am. I'm very actually compassionate. I'm too compassionate. That's why I cry for. There's something that might be going on in the other side of the world, and I'm crying for it. And it's like, why am I crying for this? Like, this is crazy. I'm very compassionate and I'm very understanding. And I'm a Libra. So I see always two sides of the scale. I always have sympathy just a little. I even have sympathy for. For bitches. I have sympathy for bitches that my man. And they have taken a family loss. I'm like, damn, I feel bad for her. That's how sympathetic I am.

[Jay Shetty]

Why do you feel sympathy for them? Like, where does that come from? Or what do you feel?

[Cardi B]

I don't know.

[Jay Shetty]

It's just how you're made.

[Cardi B]

It's just how I'm. That's just how I made and stuff. Like, that's just how I am. However, people just have this thought of me, and that's because my mouth is so rough. Like, I'm a little rough. And I curse like a sailor. And I give advice very strong. But everybody in my family give advice, like, very strong. And I don't have yes mens neither. So my friends will give me advice in the most rudest way that is like, damn, bitch, do you like me? But it's the truth. And that's just how I am. That's how I'm gonna talk to you. And that's just how I am. Because it's the truth.

[Jay Shetty]

And you're like that with everyone. It doesn't change for anyone.

[Cardi B]

And I'm like that with everyone.

[Jay Shetty]

How about the kids?

[Cardi B]

Oh, I'm like that. I'm like that with my kids, too. Like, God damn it, I'm tired. But you can tell me. I'm. I'm a bad mom. I'm a great mom. If I'm good at something, it's being a mom. But sometimes I'd be like, get the. You little. Get the. God damn it. I'm sick of you. That's how I talk.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cardi B]

Does that make me a bad mom? I. I don't think I'm a bad mom. Shit, I give them too much to be a bad mom.

[Jay Shetty]

It's funny you say that. I was. I was talking to a parenting expert on the podcast a few weeks ago, and she was saying that parenting is the most inconvenient thing. She goes, you love them, but they're inconvenient. Like, it's hard, like, if you're honest about it. And so there's a real feeling about how tough being a mom is. How do you balance being a superstar and being a mom? Like, how do you make it? You said it yourself, you want to be the best at everything. When you do something, you want to be the best at it. So I assume that applies to being a mom, too.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

And so it's like, how do you do that? What is it to you? What makes you a great mom? What are the parts that you focus on? And how do you balance those two crazy worlds?

[Cardi B]

I think that what makes me. I think that what makes me, like, a good mom. I don't give my kids. It's not that I give my kids everything, but they just think I'm so funny. Like, even when I curse at them, they just think I'm so funny. And it's like, I'm being serious with y', all, but they just love me. I don't know why they. I mean, of course I know why they love me, but it's like, why y' all love me so much. I guess I'm a good mom because they love me so much. They just think I'm so entertaining. They think I'm so fun. Even when we just laying in bed, they just want to lay in bed with me. Ain't no Target. We ain't going to the goddamn Target. We ain't going to Target to ask you for no mother goddamn Roblox. That's exactly how they'll come in here, asking me for no goddamn Roblox. You ask me one more time for an iPad for one of your cousins, we're gonna have a problem. This exactly. I talk to my kids, and they still love me. They just love me. I don't know. They love me for who I am. They love me. I don't even know how to explain it. I do give them everything, though. But not giving them everything doesn't always make you the greatest mom. Because it's like, you've seen cases where the parents work so hard, they give their kids everything, and it's not enough. Like them two brothers. What's they call again?

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, yeah, the Menendez brothers.

[Cardi B]

Yeah. You could give them everything, but if they don't love you, they just don't love you. I don't know. They just. They just love me. I just always remind them that I love them, but I'll curse them out though.

[Jay Shetty]

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[Cardi B]

Please don't be a bum. Please don't be a bum. Please don't be lazy. Some people are. Some people have the look, the intelligence, the talent. Some people really have that. But they don't go nowhere because they're lazy. Don't be lazy. Don't just be, oh, your parents are this and that. No, be your own person. Be your own human. Be something. Be something. Be something that you could be proud of. My mom, she was not. She was. She was a lunch lady practically. But I am very proud of my mom because she used to work her ass off. She could have went to my grandma. Like, I'm going through a tough time right now. Can you raise my kids for a year or two? She never did that. My. My grandmothers as well. One of them got 10 kids, the other one got 13 kids. They work every day. My grandma from my dad's side, she gave birth on her kids in her wooden house, and then a couple of days later, she working back in the farm and she brought all her kids to America one by one. Different time. Same with my grandma, she had. From my mom's side, she had 13 kids. She used to cook, cook, cook, cook. Sell food, sell food, sell food. She brought all her 13 kids over here. Like, there's no excuse, but I could say that because they did that. And you're going to be able to say that about me. Like, it's like, my mom worked every day. I seen my mom work every day. Be that. Be that one day. You're going to have kids one day. And you want your kids to say that about you? That you worked hard every day, that everything you got, you deserved it, that you made it. Nobody gave it to you. You don't want to be like, oh, you just. You just successful because you a whole man. Like, I have son. I have a son you don't want. Nobody said that you. You fly and you fire because you somebody's son. No, I'm fly because I'm my own man. I made myself a man. I work my ass off. You gonna have a bitch one day. You don't want your bitch to be like, oh, he a mama boy, he a daddy's. No, I'm a hardworking man, Baby girl, you on same with my daughters. Ain't no nigga gonna roll you over. Cause you got your own shit. You're more than just a pretty face. Be a boss. Be something. Please. I don't give a fuck what they do. Whatever. The. Just. Just do not have that lazy bone on you. Like, ain't no way that I'm busting my ass for you motherfuckers just so you could end up not being shit. I'm giving y' all everything. Every. Even when. Even when they're 18 and stuff like that and it's time to leave. If you want an apartment, if you want to. If you want a car, I'll give it to you. But please, please become something. Don't be. Please don't be nothing. That would be the worst disappointment they could ever do. Don't disappoint me like that. Whatever y' all do, just don't be a nothing.

[Jay Shetty]

If you give it to them, though, don't you think they'll be lazy then? Because if you give them an apartment and you give them a car, then they'll feel like, well, I don't need to work because Mom's got me.

[Cardi B]

Me. No, because it's like, like, all right, for example, I, I, I went to college. I went to college, right? But I had to drop out of college because I had to work to just feed myself. If you got a crib and if you could maneuver to. To college or you probably want to open up a business or something, if you can maneuver and you don't got to worry about a bill, then it. It becomes easier for you. But don't get. Don't make me give you an apartment or car and you just out here not doing. I better. Every single time I FaceTime you, you better be doing something. If you in bed at 12pm yeah. In that car under my name. Oh, it's coming with me. You need it. You need the real world. Yeah, you need you. I'm gonna have to. And don't go to your daddy, you know, let me go to your daddy. I will take the shit away. I don't play that. You ain't gonna be nothing.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, you're clearing up on yourself.

[Cardi B]

You got two feet, you got two hands. You got a brain. You better do some shit.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, for sure. I found, like, I started working when I was 14. I used to deliver newspapers at the time, and then I started working at a grocery store. I used to work at the back and stack the shelves, pick up all the pallets, bring all the goods in, work back of house. And then I worked and sold jeans at some jean shop. It's like I found working since I was 14.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Is what made me realize the value of work. And I've been working hard ever since. And it's. If I didn't start working hard at 14, I feel like my parents didn't have anything to give me either.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

But I feel like that work ethic has to start early.

[Cardi B]

It do have to start early. And that's why, like, it's like. Like sometimes when my parents. Here come my parents. Sometimes my parents, they be getting on my nerves sometimes. Like, they be getting on my nerves sometimes because, like, my kids, they have school till 3pm right? And after school, I don't care. And I don't want y' all at home talking about, like, I'm a little tough and shit. I don't give a. This is what I work hard for. After school, my kids, four times a week, they have tutoring, reading, math, whatever the. They have tutoring mandatory in my house. Then culture have piano or she got gym class. Waithe he got sports class. And he still gotta do the tutoring. And I don't feel. I'm sleepy. I don't wanna hear that shit. I don't want to hear that shit. It's discipline. It got to be in you. And you have to be better than me. I want you to be better than me. There's things that I cannot do that I want my kids to do. I don't know how to swim. I would love to swim, but the one time I went to a pool in Highbridge, there was a crazy fight that broke out. People was getting cut left to right, so I couldn't go swimming because I ain't had no pool. If I have a pool, you're gonna learn how to swim. You're gonna take your swimming classes. I'm not really good with my feet, so you gonna take dance classes. Because if you wanna. If you ever wanna be a superstar, that shit gonna be in you. Then you a dancer. I want you to be smarter than me. Like, I could read down, but my grandma's not that great. I want you to be not perfect because you cannot make your kids perfect. And you don't want to put pressure on your kids perfect. But I want you to be a hundred times better version than me. And I'm gonna install that in you. And you gonna be mad and you gonna be crying, but you gonna appreciate that one day. Cause I wish the things that I put on my kids that somebody put in me when I was younger, but they couldn't put that in me when I was younger because they couldn't afford it. And they couldn't really have time to be like kurt. Buckley's, Buckley's, buckley's, Hennessey, Hennessy, Hennessy. Because they had to work. I have to work, but I'm giving classes for it.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

Grab me something, boy. Grab me something, girl. I'm playing with y'. All.

[Jay Shetty]

I love it. I love it. Success is so much of who you are. It's who you breathe. It's what you do. What makes cardi b happy is it like little.

[Cardi B]

Little elements. Like my kids make me very happy. They're just so cute and funny. Like, it's just. And they say stupid stuff. Like, it's like what they say this things that is like, girl, what. It's funny. And it's funny seeing your kids grow and develop a little character in them. Like when my baby, she be hitting her brother, her sister, it'd be so funny to me because it's like a baby and she's. And they're. And they're just there taking it. So to me, little things like that is funny and makes me happy. Romance. You know what I'm saying? When I'm in love and when we're having a good. You know, when we're having a good week, when you're showing that you care, that makes me happy. You know, actually when I did saw a piece of an interview with Selena Gomez and you when she said I might have a 14 hour day and just one phone call and knowing somebody's there for you is a good feeling. That's a good feeling as well. What else is a good feeling for me? When I'm with my cousins, when I'm with my family and we were just cracking jokes and it just feels. It feels like. It feels like childhood. It makes me happy. Music make me very happy. I love music. When me and my team, we plan something, we put in so much work and it goes good, that makes me happy. That makes me happy. The team happy. And it motivates me and it motivates my team. And it's just like, we did it. So stuff like that. Stuff like that makes me happy. Seeing all the work that you do and the time that you put the process, the progress that you put and it's like, it hits. It's successful. That makes you really happy. Like, it's like, thank God. Thank you, Jesus. It makes me want to keep going. Just like.

[Jay Shetty]

That's a good list. Yeah, that's a good list. I like it. It's all connection. It's all real. It's Human. It's love, it's family, it's friends, it's intimacy. It is all the most beautiful things that we're all looking for. How do you see love now? Like, how do you define love?

[Cardi B]

Effort is not going to always be perfect. Effort is like a lot to me. It means a lot to me. Like calling me, studying me, personality as well. I love me a joke. I love me a he, he, he. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you, if. If I, If I come to you and I'm in tears. When was it? Last week. I saw. I saw my little boyfriend. I saw my boyfriend and I was in tears. I was like, it's so much pressure on me. Like, it's so much pressure on me. And just one little joke it made. Like, I'm in tears. I kind of forgot the joke, but it was so funny.

[Jay Shetty]

That's good, dad.

[Cardi B]

And like snot coming out of my nose. And it's like, it made me laugh. It just made me feel good. And it's just like, you know what? Things are gonna be okay.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Someone you can. Someone you can. Someone who can make you laugh, cry, and someone who can be there for you when you're crying real hard. Tears. Yeah, I like that. And I like effort. I like what you said. Study you. Yeah, that was really interesting. I've never heard that before, but I like it. The idea that if someone loves you, they study you. What does that mean to you? Tell me about that. I like that one a lot.

[Cardi B]

Certain things are just the obvious, you know what I'm saying? Like, certain things is like, are you really studying me? Or it's just the obvious. Like, for example, if you get me a purse, if you get me a Birkin or a Kelly. Right. It makes me happy. Of course. Like, who, who don't. Who, which, which woman don't bag. Make them happy. But you know that that's what I like. So it's not like you study it. It's like you see it on my page. But like, when you do things that you don't normally do, but you're doing it because you heard me talk about this. Like, like when you rent a castle and I know you don't want to be in this old ass castle that you literally got to go up and down the stairs just so you could pee and it's hot and there's no air conditioner. When you rent a castle out just so you could just because you, you keep saying like, oh, I can't wait, I can't wait. To have a day off in Paris so I could go to Versailles. I'm obsessed with castles. I'm obsessed with kings. I'm obsessed with queens. And it's like, you listen to that and you, like, do your best to make it happen. It's like. It's like little things like that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. So you always leaving clues.

[Cardi B]

It's not even like leaving clues. It's just like me talking about my.

[Jay Shetty]

Just you talking.

[Cardi B]

Just me talking. It's like, it means stuff to me and stuff like that. When you get to know my personality too and get to study me. Like, okay. Cause I'm a. I'm a. I think I'm a hard person to figure out. Some people just see me and think certain things until you really get to figure me out and crack me. Because I might give you what I want to give you. You haven't cracked me yet.

[Jay Shetty]

Will anyone ever crack you? Is it possible?

[Cardi B]

Yeah. Little by little, I open up and I show more of myself, my real self.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. It's been seven years since you released new music, and you've talked to me about releasing it. The hard work that went into it, the journey that got you there, why you waited, what finally made you feel confident that you had the right piece of work? What did you put into it? How did you know that now is the right time and the work was ready?

[Cardi B]

Because it feels good. It feels good. Like, it's like this. I feel like people are missing this. It feels good. I feel good. I feel confident about it. I feel very confident about it, to be honest with you. So that's where. That's why I'm like, it's time.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Where did the name. Am I the drama? What inspired that? What? What. What's. What's the subtext? What's the hidden meanings behind it?

[Cardi B]

I don't want to keep saying when I was a little girl, but it's funny. Like, it's like, say it.

[Jay Shetty]

I love. I love knowing that you manifested this. It's beautiful.

[Cardi B]

No, because it's like ever since I was a little girl, I always get in trouble and it don't really be me. Like, it's like, if we having a sleepover, me and my cousins, I will be the one that the aunt is pulling their ears. Because it's like, yeah, I know this was your idea, but even was. It wasn't even my idea. Sometimes when I used to go to school and I used to fight, my mom used to be like, didn't I tell you to avoid the fight? And it's like, mom, I swear to God, it's not me. It's these girls. They keep trying me. That's why I keep getting into fights. And when I was in school, too, like, it's like, when I do get in trouble just because I'm being mischievous, it's like. Like, my friend's moms used to be. Like, it's because of her. It's cause of Belcalis. I know it's her. And it's like, it don't really be me. It really don't be me. And that's just how it is with my life. Like, it's like, yo, I'm always in a scandal. I'm always in some bullshit. I'm always in some beef. And it's like, no matter how much I avoid it, it comes to me. Am I the drama? Is it me, Jesus? Is it me? No matter how much I avoid it, no matter how much I think I'm in a bubble, and it's like, nope, that bubble is always gonna pop. Something's always gonna find you, girl. But that's why I. Like, am I. The drama is, why am I always in some shit? Whether it's good or bad? Why am I always in some shit?

[Jay Shetty]

What's the answer?

[Cardi B]

Am I. That's the. That's the. The answer is still the question. Am I? Am I? Only one person can answer that, and that's Jesus. Because, God, why the. Am I always in some shit? When is the boat gonna start? Smooth sailing. Why are we always in the ocean in the middle of the ocean, in the roughest. We in the Pacific Ocean all the time.

[Jay Shetty]

I love that. It's a great question. It's a great question. It lines up for a great album. It's such a great name. It's such a great. Such a great energy. Even just hearing you talk about is such a great vibe. What's the. I mean, how does it feel when that drama gets televised and then it's all over TikTok? How does that feel?

[Cardi B]

Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.

[Jay Shetty]

You always show up looking fabulous, but I'm like, how does that feel when, like, you know.

[Cardi B]

Well, I try to come in here having eyes like you, but one of. One of the contacts wasn't cooperating. So I'm like, I'm not taking this other contact off.

[Jay Shetty]

So that's why we have the.

[Cardi B]

Yeah, that's why we got three blue eyes on set four.

[Jay Shetty]

I love it. I love it. I love it. So how does it feel when. When your drama is Televised, like, when that is televised, how does that feel?

[Cardi B]

It just feels. Sometimes it feels okay because there's going to be people that's going to cheer for you and sometimes going to be very overwhelming, like, and very stressful, very annoying. And then it's like, unlike other celebrities, you know, a lot of people be wanting me to be, like, certain celebrities and stuff like that.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, really? Like who?

[Cardi B]

Like, they just want me to be, like, the type of person that just don't respond, that don't tell my feelings. And they be thinking that some of these celebrities, like, they perfect, which they are amazing. But don't think they're not going through what I'm going through. Don't think they don't feel, like, what the pressure that I go through. Don't think they're not saying, y', all, I hate you, mother. Who the you think you are to tell me that I'm this? This. Who the you think you this and that? I'm just the person that tells it. So it's a blessing and a curse, because sometimes I feel like I. I speak for them. And that's why when a lot of celebrities see me, they'd be like, yo, you be saying what I want to say.

[Jay Shetty]

That's cool.

[Cardi B]

But then sometimes it's like a curse, because sometimes people be like. It's like, oh, you the only one that do that. You're the only one to do that. And it's like, well, I'll be the one that do that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

I can't do it all the time, though, because then people gonna think I'm just crazy, but I'll be the one to do that. Y' all need to leave people alone. Y' all think because us celebrity, we make a little money and we make a little this. Like, it's like, I have feelings, too, ho. I ain't no chopped liver. So maybe that's why I'm sometimes like the punching bags. And sometimes people be like, you need to stop doing that. You need to stop being this. You need. You need to be more like them. And it's like they feel the same way I feel, too. They want to tell these people, yeah, you and your mom and your dad and your whole bloodline. Are you talking on me? You trust me. They want to say that. They want to say that.

[Jay Shetty]

I think everyone does.

[Cardi B]

Yeah, but I'll be the one to say it. But that's because sometimes it do feel good to say it. You. I'll be the one.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

Not all the time, but I'll be the One.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Yeah. I could see that from all the clips that I've seen. Like, you're always yourself. Like, you're never not yourself, wherever you are. The glam, the looks, the fashion, the wigs, the. Everything that comes out of your mouth. It's like you're never. You're never filtering yourself, no matter the environment you're in.

[Cardi B]

Oh, trust me, I filter myself a lot.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, you do?

[Cardi B]

Sometimes I feel like, who the am I? Who the have I become? Because I used to have no filter. Now it's just like, I'd be like, all right. But still you, though.

[Jay Shetty]

Where do you feel to yourself? If you ever do. Where do you feel to yourself?

[Cardi B]

This mouth. I could be a piranha.

[Jay Shetty]

What are we today, a shark? No, today's.

[Cardi B]

No. Today I'm a goldfish.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay, Today you're a goldfish.

[Cardi B]

I said nothing bad today. Today I'm a goldfish.

[Jay Shetty]

No, no, no, you haven't.

[Cardi B]

I've been really nice today.

[Jay Shetty]

You have been wonderful.

[Cardi B]

But it's like sometimes I be seeing people and I'll be like. I could get really nasty. Just all facts. I could get really nasty.

[Jay Shetty]

But you hold back sometimes.

[Cardi B]

But I hold back so much. I hold back so much. So much, so much, so much, so much, so much. I really. You know what? I really did change a lot. I don't know what changed me. Maybe. Maybe the age, maybe the kids, Maybe life.

[Jay Shetty]

You softened up a bit.

[Cardi B]

I always been soft. But I could. I could really give it to him. And I won't stop. But I stopped. Just work.

[Jay Shetty]

Is it the age? Is it the kids? Which one is it? Or all of them? All of the above.

[Cardi B]

It's a combination. Age really wisen you. Wisen you and make you afraid.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Got more to lose. That. I think that plays a big part when you're young and you're dreaming and you want all these things no one ever tells you. The cost that it comes at.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

And how much it tests you and brings all sorts of other challenges into your life.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. You've talked about how money doesn't fix everything and success doesn't solve everything. And it almost feels like when you don't have those things, you think it will.

[Cardi B]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

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[Jay Shetty]

What is something that you're still trying to figure out, learn, solve in your own life? What's, what's the part of your life you like working on, dreaming, envisioning, imagining to be better and different?

[Cardi B]

I mean, life in general, all of it. All of it. To be honest with you, life just doesn't get. I wonder when life is gonna do start getting easier because life is just hard. No matter if you have money or not. You got problems when you poor, you got problems when you're rich. He's always just trying to figure it. Every single day. I feel like people are just trying to figure it out, trying to figure themself out, trying to figure life out. And it just will never stop. It will never stop. I think one would do is stop when you're 60, but even when you're 60, you're going to start having other problems, like back problems. It's like another thing, another problem that you got to figure out. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like it just would never stop. Yeah, the older you get, the more people you lose, more kids you have, the more things you have to worry about, the more money you have, the, the more you have to learn about managing. You have a partner or when you don't have a partner, you got to figure out how you, if you want to. How you want to deal with being alone when you have a partner. Is that how you got to figure out how to be their peace in everything? And I really don't want people thinking either that it's like just because you have money, like it's like you live the easy life. Everybody that they have money, that are successful, that are good at what they do, if you notice a pattern, they work their asses off. Think that Beyonce got a boat in a mansion and this and that because she's just Beyonce. No, she worked her ass off. She's one of the most hardest people ever. Why people cannot get to her level, why people cannot this and that, because they just. She just have an insane work ethic, insane time. And my partner, he wakes up every day at 5:36am and leave work at 7:00pm and then you got people that hate on him and it's like, well, why he's so good? Because he works hard. Why am I here after seven years? Because I'm every day, every day, working every day. What we doing next? Hello. What y' all doing? Wake up. I got something planned. I just, I just thought of Something. I just had a dream or something. We gotta make it happen. And working hard. You could say working hard. And it sounds like working hard, but it's like it's hours and hours. It's hours. It's time. It's body, it's brain. I'm exhausted. I'm really exhausted right now. Back hurt, Butt hurt. I'm sleepy as shit. I got a headache on the right side of my head when I'm working.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

After this.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Cardi B]

I got to do a promo shoot, and then I'm going to the studio, and then tomorrow I got to do something else. Every single day. Every single day. Every single day. If you want it, you got to do it. No complain, no crying.

[Jay Shetty]

In this conversation, you've talked about Jesus. You talked about the devil. Do you talk to God a lot?

[Cardi B]

Do you pray every day?

[Jay Shetty]

Every day.

[Cardi B]

I feel like I have a very deep spiritual connection with God. And it's not even like. About praying is like talking. Like, even when I talk to God, I talk to him just like I'm talking to you. I be cursing.

[Jay Shetty]

Love that.

[Cardi B]

Crying. Because people be like, oh, cursing is bad. But it's like, God know. God knows. God knows who I am. God knows. God knows how I be. Like. It's like. It's almost like I'm talking to a friend. And I really do believe in my weird mind in my weird universe that I made. Like, I have. I have angels. I really do believe that God gave me angels, and I believe in them. I feel like God is here, and I feel like you got your angels here, then you got your other religions here. I believe in God so much, it's not even funny. And, you know, some people might not believe in God, but it's like. Like, it's like I'm not gonna convince nobody to believe in what I believe in. But if it. How you expect me not to believe on the person that I've been praying to my whole life and gave me what I wanted?

[Jay Shetty]

So that little girl was talking to God in that dream?

[Cardi B]

Always. All the time. It's like the imaginary friend, the voice in your head that you think is your friend, that you think is your voice. That. That's. That's just. Was. That was just you talking to God the whole time. That's just you talking to God the whole time. I love him. I believe in him. I always tell this to somebody. Like, it's like the most. The most. The most I could give you. The most powerful thing that I could give you is me praying on you. If I pray on you for you. It's because I love you. It's the most powerfulest thing. And I do feel like when you pray together, miracles happen. I love him. I love you so much. Why do you love me so much? Why do you love me so much? So, everybody, I'm like one of your favorite kids. Tell them, Jesus, Lord, tell these people I'm one of your favorites. A lot of them.

[Jay Shetty]

That's beautiful, Cardi. You've been so generous with your time, your energy, your heart. I really felt, you know, this surpassed every one of my expectations that I had of meeting you and getting to interview you. I knew there was so much spirit. I knew there was so much soul. I knew there was just this energy inside that I'm really grateful you let share today and people get to know you a bit more deeply. We end every episode with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. So, Cardi B, these are your final five.

[Cardi B]

You know, I talk a lot.

[Jay Shetty]

I know. You can. You can.

[Cardi B]

You think I can answer with one word?

[Jay Shetty]

I'm giving you permission. You can. All right, so question number one. We ask these to every guest who's been on the show. What is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

[Cardi B]

Well, I'm going to go with one advice that I heard today. No, I didn't heard it today. I heard it yesterday. Ask the difficult questions. The difficult questions make the relationship stronger. It could break it. It could make it. But you still have an understanding. If you become that understanding, the ya might become stronger.

[Jay Shetty]

You said it better. You said it better. Whoever said it, you said it better. Question number two. What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? I think you've heard it a lot.

[Cardi B]

Sometimes when somebody told me to wear a certain outfit or when somebody told me to drop a certain song, you never know. You could go from here to that.

[Jay Shetty]

Question number three. Finish the sentence. One thing I'll never apologize for is my mouth.

[Cardi B]

My mouth. Well, sometimes I'm apologized for my mouth sometimes maybe I'm a little too hard. I don't know. I apologize for my mouth sometimes, but not all the time.

[Jay Shetty]

Question number four. What's something that you used to value that you don't value anymore?

[Cardi B]

Haven't have, like the streets. I value it a lot, and I don't. I value it because it made me and it gave me a certain mentality. But I wouldn't want to advise, advise that too. People that I love, people that I care or to young kids, to young boys, to young girls. Because it don't always lead you to where you think it's going to lead you. It's very grimy. Don't love you back ever.

[Jay Shetty]

And fifth and final question. We ask this to every guest who's been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

[Cardi B]

If I was Kim Yang Yoon, what law? I'm not sure. I gotta come back to that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Think about it.

[Cardi B]

Matter of fact, if you hurt children, you gotta get. What's that thing when they clip you? Castracise, Whatever it's called. Yeah. You just gotta be clipped. And if you're a woman, they need to burn it.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, wow.

[Cardi B]

If you hurt kids.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Cardi B]

Yeah. That should be a mandatory thing all over the world.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Cardi B]

Because kids are so precious. They're so precious. They so innocent. Well, some of them. Some of them are kind of evil. They're born with the devil inside. You see documentaries. Some of them is like, oh, you was born to. That you was born to be a devil. Jesus. Jesus upon you. J.

[Jay Shetty]

Cardi B Everyone. The album is called Am I the Drama. I'm so excited for everyone to hear it. Love your energy, love your spirit. So grateful to have spent this time together. And all the best. God bless and I hope that you continue to succeed and win at life and keep being the energy and force that you are. So thank you so much.

[Cardi B]

Thank you.

[Jay Shetty]

Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.

[Cardi B]

My fears are only going to continue to show me what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears, the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, and I just want to keep doing that.

[Jay Shetty]

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[Cardi B]

This is an iHeart podcast.