← On Purpose with Jay Shetty
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Chris Jenner
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Jay Shetty
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Chris Jenner
These are in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren. I love these men and that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them.
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Jay Shetty
Kris Jenner welcome to on.
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Chris Jenner
I'm so excited to be here. My kids have come before me to get the lay of the land and well, you know we love you dearly. I'm such a huge fan. Love listening to the podcast. Love listening to anytime I get the opportunity to see you online, giving a motivational speech or, you know, different things that you do. It's so inspirational to me and I know how much my girls love you. So I had to come see for myself what was going on over here.
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Jay Shetty
Well, as I was saying, Chris, you and your family have been so gracious.
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Lizzie Carr
And kind to me from day one.
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Jay Shetty
I remember the early days of Chloe.
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Lizzie Carr
Sharing something that I'd done in 2019.
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Jay Shetty
Or Kendall starting to follow me and then connecting, and then Kim has just been amazing over the last couple of years and finally getting to meet you. And I want to start with this, because I remember when I came over for dinner, and everyone after was like.
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Lizzie Carr
What was it like going to Chris's house for dinner? And like.
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Jay Shetty
And I was like. And it was me, you, and Kendall.
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Lizzie Carr
And I said to everyone, I was like. I felt like I was at my friend's mom's house.
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Jay Shetty
I was like, all you wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten enough, make sure I was well fed and taken care of. And I was so touched by just that amazing energy that you have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome. And whenever I see you, whether it's.
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Lizzie Carr
At a party or an event or.
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Jay Shetty
One of our mutual friends birthdays that we were just at, I always just feel so happy when we're talking. So thank you so much.
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Lizzie Carr
Truly, it means the world.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, well, thank you for having me. It really means the world to me, and I really enjoyed that night because I got to know you a little bit more on a personal level and just heard about what you were all about, what your intentions are with people and how you want to help people and bring people together in a world where everybody's torn apart, especially in the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems. I think for us to have that beacon of someone we can look up to, to say, now, hold on, you know, let's look at this a different way and try to find something peaceful in all of it. And so for that, I appreciate you so much.
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Lizzie Carr
Thank you.
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Jay Shetty
Well, I want to get to know the Chris.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, boy.
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Jay Shetty
That. That I believe we forget existed, because.
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Lizzie Carr
Today we live in a world where.
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Jay Shetty
We'Re so preoccupied with what everyone does.
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Lizzie Carr
Today, we forget how they became and.
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Jay Shetty
How they were created. I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory that you remember that you.
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Lizzie Carr
Feel defines who you are today?
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Chris Jenner
Oh, my goodness. A childhood memory. Well, I think, you know, growing up, I just. I was really raised by my mom and my grandmother and two really strong business women who worked and showed me that how powerful that can be. Just not just out there in the world to show others, but for yourself. Like how to be somebody that you were really proud of, but also provided for their families and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be strong, intelligent, caring, loving moms, but also working women who really were of a different generation when My mom was very young when she was in her 20s. She had me when she was 20. My grandmother was 40, and, you know, I was just born. And so there's always been a 20 year age difference. And then, of course, 40 years with my grandmother. And they taught me that working and having a career was just part of our lifestyle and our family. And that meant so much to me because they were such an inspiration. And my mom also showed me what it was like to, you know, get dressed up every day. She loved fashion, she loved, this is how you want to present yourself to the world every day. Like, how do you want to look when you go to third grade? You know, or even junior high or high school? And it really was something. When I look back on it now, I'm so proud of those two women who raised me because they showed me what it's like to, you know, have a career and how to take care of a home and what it was like to be married, what it was like to have children. And I know when I was 16 years old, I really realized that's when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids. And I actually had the number six in my head at that very early age.
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Lizzie Carr
Wow. Really?
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Chris Jenner
I used to think, I'm gonna have six kids. And then when I ended up getting divorced and I had four kids, I thought, boy, was I off a couple of kids. And then I ended up having two more. But growing up with. With the family I grew up with, I felt. I do feel so blessed to have had a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood. And I think it's something that I'll always be grateful for. And I talked to my mom, who's 91, about it all the time. I think I always thank her for all the sacrifices and working late. And sometimes, you know, she wasn't necessarily at home when I got home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven and making me a roast beef dinner. But she was there working her ass off for me and my sister. And then my grandmother lived across the street. So my grandmother was doing all the grandma things. And so it really gave me a good sense of family unity, closeness. You know, it fed my spirituality because I went to church every Sunday and was, you know, had, you know, communion and all the things that you do as a young girl, whose mom is taking them to church every Sunday and teaching you all the things. And it was a huge part of my life, that childhood of just being not only I had so many friends and went to public school, which was down the street. My mom's priority when I was a child was always move next to the school because you can walk to school. So we were walking to school, not a care in the world. We had no seatbelts in the cars, driving around in the back of my mom's. My mom had a convertible T bird when I was a little girl and throw us in the back on a shelf and we'd be bouncing around. And by the way, I did the same thing with my kids, Courtney and Kimberly when I had them, and Chloe and then Robert. Everyone in the back of the station wagon, no seatbelts, just 15 kids in the back section shoved together like sardines, taking everybody everywhere. So, so many memories of things that were so different from. I remember my first colored TV and where I lived and what house I could like imagine what corner of the room it was in and how exciting that was. So, you know, I can also remember getting my first iPhone. You know, it's like, I mean, talk about bizarre, you know, the contrast of the two.
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Jay Shetty
Did you ever have one of those brick phones, one of the really big ones? Oh yeah, I remember my mom.
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Chris Jenner
1990, 1990, 91. And you'd make a call, you thought you were so cool, cruising down the highway with a brick in your hand, you know, and there was no rules on you could talk to anybody. You could talk on the phone while you were driving, you could eat a burger while you were driving down the street. It's amazing all the different changes culturally and just personally, just all the different chapters I've had in my life, it's like every single one is so clear. But if you take it 1 through 10, 10 through 20, 20 through 30, and just keep going, it's like there's so many huge magical things that have happened in each chapter. And I think that's the way I look at it now at my age. You know, you have so much perspective and it changes from decade to decade. So I consider myself really lucky.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
Wow. It's incredible hearing about it because I.
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Jay Shetty
Love that your mother and your grandmother.
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Lizzie Carr
Were just such big influences and role models in your life.
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Cal Penn
Huge.
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Jay Shetty
What work did they do?
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Lizzie Carr
What were they doing at the time?
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Chris Jenner
My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a candle store called the Candelabra in La Jolla, California. And my mom opened another candle stor nearby on Gerard Street. And they were entrepreneurs and they got up every morning at 5:00 and they had a routine and they had structure and they had their coffee and had breakfast and Got dressed, like, to the nines, you know, like, gorgeous. Went to work, worked all day. Were so, you know, it's very satisfying to end the day with a full day's work under your belt. You feel like you've really accomplished something. And I knew that feeling because I lived. Lived it my whole life. So it was kind of embedded in me that I, too, couldn't wait to have a career or start working. I mean, my first job was I worked in my grandmother's candle store, and I was the gift wrapper. And I would be. I was 12 years old, and I loved to go to work with my grandmother and my mom, but I was at my grandmother's store, and she'd put me in the back room, and she taught me how to gift wrap and make bows. And I was the best gift wrapper I could possibly be. And I made the most beautiful bows in my mind on the planet. And she taught me that no matter what you do, you do the best job you can possibly do. She was the one who. I had to brush my teeth for some reason, a lot when I was young, every time I had anything to eat. Brush your teeth. Brush your teeth. But she had this rule that if you brushed your teeth at my grandmother's house, then you had to clean the sink with, like, Comet or Ajax or one of those crazy things. And I would scrub that sink like it was like my only, you know, polish, polish, polish. And she would sit there and say, you have the most beautiful hands, and you have. She would just give me these. The most sweetest compliments about. And then said, you. You are really the best sink washer in the family. And I was like, wow, okay. You know, so it gave me conf. That if you really, you know, she taught me that no matter how big or small the job, just do the best you can and you'll be praised for it. And that just instilled something in me.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
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Chris Jenner
And then, of course, I tortured my own children. Wash the sink the best.
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Lizzie Carr
You.
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Chris Jenner
You know, they're like, rolling their eyes.
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Jay Shetty
Were they as good as you?
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Chris Jenner
Of course not.
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Emotional Guest
No.
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Chris Jenner
I'm the best sink scrubber you'll ever see.
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Jay Shetty
Do you still wrap Christmas presents, birthday.
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Chris Jenner
Presents, every all day? I wrapped one this morning before I came here.
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Lizzie Carr
No way.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah. I didn't do a bow. It was a different kind of a package. But I think my kids really. We have a big contest during the holidays, and at Christmas, it's like, who's got the best wrapping paper? But we don't tell each other what Gift wrap we're doing. We like it to be a surprise. Well, I do Christmas morning and all the kids gifts are dropped off at my house, and we all have a section like, you know, of there. And so we know. Oh, these are all Kim's gifts because they're rap light. Well, she stopped by my house last year because she wanted to check out how her gifts looked to make sure they were positioned perfectly right. I'm like, oh, Lord. So she comes by, and little did I know, she whips out her phone and she starts doing, like, it was either a live or something on Instagram. And she shows the entire world all of our packages. So now all the sisters and everybody.
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Lizzie Carr
Knew and what you'll.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah, yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
So she gave it away.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah.
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Jay Shetty
And then.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah. So these are just all the pranks I think we play on each other, you know, constantly, all day long.
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Jay Shetty
So Kim was trying to expose you.
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Lizzie Carr
That was.
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Chris Jenner
I think so. I think she was being, you know, she was being cute. She's always so great.
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Lizzie Carr
I love it.
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Jay Shetty
I remember when we were speaking, when I came over, you were talking about.
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Lizzie Carr
You being an air hostess. As one of your. Air hostess.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah. I was a flight attendant.
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Lizzie Carr
Flight attendant.
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Chris Jenner
I went from the candle store, and I learned so much there. And then I worked at the donut shop by my house in University City in San Diego. And I would take. My job was to get there before school and before I had to get on the bus to go to high school or junior high school, I guess. And I would take a scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor that the donuts, you know, when they were glazing the donuts, there would be this glaze all over the floor, and I would scrape the glaze off of the floor. And that was my job every morning before school. And I then worked at my mom's store again. And then I applied to be a flight attendant for American Airlines. And that was an amazing job. But looking back on that, I learned so much from that job. So every single thing I did, I. I learned enormous organizational skills and people skills and social intelligence and, you know, some other skills, like how to pour a great cup of coffee and how to, you know, serve people and how to interact with people and personal service business is incredibly demanding, you know, and now I look at all of the people in that kind of a business a different way and have so much respect for that kind of a career. But I learned a lot along the way of how to deal with people. And I think that working from a Young age. And continuing up to this day, I learned a thing or two about so many different things that you wouldn't think would apply to later in life.
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Lizzie Carr
Tell me some of this.
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Chris Jenner
You know, well, just, I mean, organizational skills, for one, and how to keep calendars and how to be on time and how to be 15 minutes early and how to negotiate and how to get what you think you want or deserve from an employer. I know one of my things I talk about is if somebody says no, you're talking to the wrong person. And I learned that if I got a no from these three people in scheduling, for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to another person and try my best charm that I could possibly think of. Of what were all the reasons why I should fly this flight to get to la, you know, to see who I wanted to see. And you just hone different life skills at the different things you do at a young age, especially in the workforce. And it's really amazing. You never quite know what or where life is going to lead you and where it's going to be the best lesson you ever learned.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
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Chris Jenner
And that's what just to expect nothing but breathe in everything. Like, just like I was. So I was like a sponge and I think I just had to surrender to the process, if you know what I mean. It was just like I knew instinctively I'm on a learning journey and I'm going to get the most out of these experiences that I possibly could at the time. And I knew that. I really did know that intelligently and in the moment. And I don't know why, but I just knew I had to pay attention.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah. I think there's such an important lesson in what you're saying for everyone who's listening.
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Jay Shetty
I feel like we've done a disservice to a lot of young people today where we believe it's all about finding.
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Lizzie Carr
The perfect job or launching the perfect company.
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Chris Jenner
Right.
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Lizzie Carr
And actually, from your experience, what you're.
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Jay Shetty
Saying is I learned a lot from the candle store.
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Lizzie Carr
I learned a lot from scraping baseline floors.
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Jay Shetty
I learned a lot from being a flight attendant. It's like each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect job or your ideal life, there were really valuable.
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Lizzie Carr
Lessons that have made you the powerful leader.
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Chris Jenner
Well, incredible. It developed who I am and was at that time and then came to be all through each decade. And the more I went through life and was knocked down or brought up or had experiences and. And had these things that I went through, I think added to. But I also believe that everything happens for a reason. I'm very spiritual. I pray about everything before I do it. And I learned a lot about that from a very young age. And it just really has helped me through so many great times and so many challenging times. But I also think that I come from a place now in this decade of great gratitude. And I think that's what people don't always experience daily. I think it's been a learning experience for me. Of course I'm grateful. Of course I have gratitude for everything. That my life is this beautiful life with my beautiful family, and I couldn't ask for more. But to really be conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on for the last few years and try to be more present because we can be so easily distracted. And everybody's going so fast and I feel like everybody needs to slow down, you know, it's so fast. And I see the younger generation, I think the younger one than the next one down from Kendall and Kylie. I don't remember even what they're called anymore.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah, Gen Z and Gen Alpha.
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Chris Jenner
Okay, Alpha.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah, Alpha.
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Chris Jenner
I guess it's Alpha.
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Lizzie Carr
Kendo and Kylie are Gen Z, I think, just right.
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Chris Jenner
I think the Gen Alpha. It's like, I wish you could just slow down and experience and be in the moment a little bit more. Because I always struggled with that. I always onto the next something to look forward to, that distractions are everywhere and so then you don't feel what you're living through or going through. And we're so busy taking photos of it or videos of it, we don't sit and feel it or enjoy it. I remember I went to the Sphere the other night and I was wizard of Oz.
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Jay Shetty
Oh, wow.
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Lizzie Carr
I want to see that.
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Chris Jenner
It's really good. And I was there with my girlfriend. And now, mind you, I was 10 years old or nine years, eight something when the first time I saw the wizard of Oz, or that I remembered it and enjoyed it. And I've seen it 100,000 times, so I didn't need to video anything. I knew what the movie was about. Like, what am I doing? And I caught myself and I went, why am I filming this whole thing? Like, I want to sit and experience it. And that's just a good example of how I think that a lot of us go through life is trying to capture the moment when we can just slow down and feel the moment, you know? And that's what I. I want for me and my family, because we do get very distracted and it goes by so quickly in a heartbeat. And I think that's what. When you're my age, you want to scream that from the top of a mountain. You know, everybody slow down and enjoy every second because all of a sudden it's gone and you know, everybody has to figure it out for themselves. But that I wish, you know, because I've had all these different decades to continue, compare it to and have a different perspective every so often, every few years. That's one of my notes to note to self. Just try to enjoy it and not get distracted by the noise, because there's a lot of noise.
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Jay Shetty
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Questlove
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Lizzie Carr
You were making me think about. There's a meditation practice that I love that I practice when I feel I'm disturbed by the noise. And it's really simple. It's called 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And it's let me look at the five things I can see. So you look around this memory and you look at the colors and the textures.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, I love that.
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Lizzie Carr
Shapes and the visuals. So wizard of Oz. And then four things you can touch. So it could be your daughter's hand or your mother's hand. It could be the clothes you're wearing, the texture that you can feel, whether it's smooth or harsh. Then it's three things you can hear, two things you can smell, and one thing you can taste.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, wow.
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Lizzie Carr
And anytime I've ever done this, and I was thinking About a particular moment. I went to Bhutan last year, and I was actually teaching this meditation. I can close my eyes today and be back in that place in Bhutan.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, I love that because it was.
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Lizzie Carr
So real, because you took it in. And so. Yeah, to really let it sink in. It's such a. You're absolutely right.
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Chris Jenner
Well, you know, I think somebody of my age has a different perspective because I spent, you know, When I was 22 years old, I got married and 23 had Courtney, and, you know, the rest is history. But there were no cell phones. There wasn't a computer. There wasn't a laptop. There wasn't an iPad. There wasn't music on a little box. There wasn't. If you wanted to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone. And if you wanted to know what was at the movies, you dialed a number, like whatever it was, and you found out what was playing at the movies. And if you wanted to know what time it was, you dialed, I think it was 555-1212. And if that's right, I will be so excited about my memory. But it was a different time. And today, with so many things that just supply instant gratification, it's extremely seductive. And I think that it's something like. I think about it all the time, and I think, what a different world. But yet such progress, Such amazing. The world we live in is wild and amazing. I mean, when I was a young girl, a little girl, I used to watch the Jetsons.
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Lizzie Carr
I remember the Jetsons.
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Chris Jenner
I remember that. And it was sort of intimating that by the year 2020, we would be flying in cars around, you know, the city. You know, we wouldn't even have cars that were on the road anymore. And so, you know, we're almost there.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah, almost. Almost.
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Chris Jenner
But it's, you know, we used to imagine this modern world, and here we are. So it's very exciting. But you never know what's going to happen next. I mean, I worry a little bit. I worry a lot about my grandchildren. And social media, that scares me a bit because it can be so dark. And I really want them to have the best parts of anything. I mean, in life, there's good and bad, but in this case, you know, I worry about that. I just want them to. And I think their moms, you know, all my kids are really responsible about trying to control screen time and all of that. But it's different. It's a different place. Yeah, there's a lot of noise Absolutely.
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Lizzie Carr
And you're approaching your 70th birthday.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
Which is so exciting. And what an incredible milestone. What's this chapter of your life called? If you could name it, what would it be called?
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Chris Jenner
Oh, my goodness. The best. The best chapter. I'm happy to be here and to really have this beautiful family and just enjoy the ride. Because, like I said, just to be present at this time and place. I did learn a lot from my family, from my grandmother and my mom, who both worked until they were in their 80s. And I saw. Wow. Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
That's incredible.
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Chris Jenner
And my mom often says she retired when she was 82, and she often says that really kept her so purposeful. And we all want to find that life of purpose, but for her, it gave her great purpose and it gave her great joy, and she was so satisfied with the work she did every day and got to. You know, I think when somebody has structure and has a schedule and has something to look forward to and has something like that in their life and feels needed and wanted. Useful and useful, and that's a very good feeling. And I think that's the road I'm gonna go down. I just wanna, you know, be.
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Jay Shetty
You're not retiring anytime soon. This is never. Yeah.
- [31:45]
Lizzie Carr
Never.
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Chris Jenner
No. I love what I do, and I often say this wouldn't be as easy without my entire family and doing what we do together. Because, you know, there's a lot of people out there that have, you know, a job in entertainment or in the media or whatever it is, and they have a big career and they do it by themself, and they're the only one in their family who has that kind of a career, that kind of a job. And I thought how lonely it would be if there was just one of us. It would be so hard. And so I feel super blessed that I have this incredibly fabulous family and all this love and support, and it makes it really a very sweet life.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah. What a special, special achievement to have that. How have you. You know, one thing I've noticed, spending time with all of you and having, as I said earlier, Kim, Chloe and Kendall have all sat in this chair.
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Jay Shetty
Preparing it for you.
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Lizzie Carr
There's such a love between everyone in the family. And of course, there's the fun of the. What's the right word?
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Jay Shetty
The fun of the teasing each other.
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Lizzie Carr
And the banter, but at the core of it, it's so evident that there's love and it's real and it's genuine. How do you create a family in which competition isn't A negative thing. And growth is everyone's focus. Because I think what we see across the world is, you know, you have six children, but it's like people may have two, and then you have one person who really ambitious and driven and one person who just wants to hide away. Whereas you've got a family of people who are all ambitious in different ways. They all have their own fascinations, their.
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Jay Shetty
Own passions, and they're pursuing it to the best of their ability, which is.
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Lizzie Carr
Such a beautiful thing to see. How do you create that energy? What does that require?
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Chris Jenner
I think first of all, when they were very young, I think they learned so much from the examples set by their dad or just myself in different areas. Their stepdad, their family, their friends. And we've always had a huge group of family friends. And I think they watch and had great examples set before them. But I think that one of my biggest and strongest desires in my path to the success that they've had is just really helping them along the way identify what was really important to them. And they were passionate about, and we threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall, believe me, it was crazy. But when they finally found their destiny, their passion, the opportunities that came their way that they wanted to embrace and were so happy about, you just feel when something's right. And that makes me really happy every time I felt like somebody found their thing, their passion was that strong that they were able to really make this something they wanted to focus on. And the determination, the energy they put into it, their work ethic is second to none. And they would get up with this passion every day. Getting up at 5 and getting into the gym and taking care of their health and their well being. And then at the same time having kids, raising children, getting to work, it's just, they all have such focus and determination, but they also have great structure. They're organized. And then they learn how to find their peace at the same time, which I think is really important. And I think that's something that Courtney's really good at, that and she's taught the rest of us, you know, like, wait a second, you know, there's. You've got to, you know, find the peace in all of it too, and protect your soul, you know, so that's been really, really important. I think it's just working together, encouraging one another. And when someone is successful, we're all so excited for that person's success, no matter how it comes. It could be the smallest little, you know, not everything moves a needle. And it can be the smallest Little win. And we get really happy for each other. Like last night when I was blonde, all of my kids this morning were screaming, mom. And then Kim goes, did you dye your hair? And I said, yes, of course I didn't dye my hair, but I had her going for a while.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah. We were trying to figure out this morning whether we were gonna get blonde hair or black hair.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah. So it's fun to work together. It's fun to, you know, go through challenges together. It's awful to go through really bad times together, but we're together, so it's important. And it's, you know, when we get to celebrate each other over the smallest things or the biggest things, I think the kids are just happy for each other and there really isn't any jealousy, which makes me really proud, you know, and they're very vocal and loud when something bugs them or when something needs to be said. Don't you worry. They're. They're my loudest voice at times in my head. But we all. I think we're just all happy for one another and we know we're doing this together. And somebody's success in my family is sort of a halo effect. I feel like it is good for everyone and, you know, especially business wise, but it's just really good for all of us personally because we get to see each other grow and thrive and evolve and elevate different things, like will get notes to each other. Okay, well, this was great, but if you only did this, it would be so much better. So everybody, you know, is a backseat driver or what do you call it? Sideline quarterback. Everybody's weighing in on everybody else's stuff. So it's fun. It makes it a. We're our own little. You know, we have. I have 13 grandchildren. Imagine, that's a lot of humans. And we have an amazing little, you know, bubble that we live in and that we are so dedicated to one another and very loyal and looking for that peace that we can surround ourself with when we can with family time. Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
I just wanted to acknowledge how hard it is to do that.
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Chris Jenner
It's hard.
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Lizzie Carr
It's so hard to be able to create a non competitive, non envious, non jealous family space system. I think for. It's not easy. And yeah, whether it's happened naturally because of all these great values or whether it's happened through hardship, it's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever have. Is.
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Chris Jenner
It's lovely. It really is lovely. And I'm so proud of them for being there. And if somebody gets into trouble or somebody needs help with anything, everyone is right there to jump in and make it okay. And. And it's interesting that, you know, they're very, very loyal and very protective, and they surround each other with a lot of love. And the fact that they're also amazing parents is the biggest gift. I watch them as my son has a daughter, and everyone except for Kendall has a, you know, has a son or a daughter or both. And they're amazing parents. And I often sit and tell them I'll sit and watch Kylie or Chloe, all of them, Kim, Rob, Courtney. But I watch them with their kids, and I just take it all in and I say, God, I wish I would have been this good as a parent with you, because I feel like they take it to another level. I've never seen anything so amazing, literally, in my life. I talk to my mom about it all the time. I go, can you believe the way they do this and that and the other? And my mom and I are in awe of what great parents they are, and I think they are. You know, people ask me all the time, how do we keep our kids as close or how do I. And I think it's just the time you spend and what you focus on and the way that you, you know, spend time with your kids and. And show them that you're never going to, you know, I didn't have kids to, on their 18th birthday, kick them out of the house. My girlfriend used to say, you're too nice. You know, you're not their friend. You're their mother. And I looked at her and I said, oh, no, I'm their friend, because they're going to be 18 one day, and I'm not going to be left out of this big, beautiful life that, you know, that I want to have with them.
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Lizzie Carr
How do you love someone that you don't agree with? How do you love someone that you have.
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Chris Jenner
Right.
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Lizzie Carr
Something with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm saying this because I've had private conversations with you where you've talked to me about these things, and I'm blown away by it.
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Emotional Guest
Right.
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Jay Shetty
So I'm like, how do you love.
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Lizzie Carr
Someone even when something hasn't worked out the way you want it to?
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Chris Jenner
Right.
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Jay Shetty
Because I know it's deep for you.
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Lizzie Carr
That's why I'm asking.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah. I think you start with communication, and I think that's where you have to start to really feel and understand.
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Emotional Guest
I'm gonna cry. Sorry. I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from. Sorry, Jay. Okay.
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Chris Jenner
Is there a tissue?
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Emotional Guest
You guys okay?
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Chris Jenner
I think.
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Emotional Guest
I don't know why that hits so hard, but I think communication, I think compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through. Even though you don't agree with them, if you once love them, then love is love, you know? And I always fall in love with people. And then if they disappoint you, it.
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Chris Jenner
Sorry.
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Emotional Guest
I don't know why I'm crying.
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Chris Jenner
See what I said?
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Emotional Guest
It's right there under the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But I think communication is.
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Chris Jenner
I preach communication, and I think if you. If somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try to say, no, no, no. You just don't understand.
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Emotional Guest
You know, this didn't happen like this.
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Chris Jenner
And they really didn't mean it like.
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Emotional Guest
This, or, you know, I'm always the one who tries and communicates that. But I think, God, what's wrong with me? But I also think that compassion, if.
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Chris Jenner
You don't have an open heart and you're stuck with trying to. To understand someone, you. You will be lost forever until you can try and see and forgive. And I think if people can't come from a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever. You know, you have to be open to understanding what someone else is truly all about and why. I stand up for people who are the underdog. At times, it makes me really sad that they're the underdog. And I feel like some people get really misunderstood. And I think that we all need to stand up for each other, especially when we need it the most. And that comes from a conversation, it comes from a communication, it comes from compassion, and it comes from forgiveness. And if you can't learn to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions, you know, I think my kids tell me all the time I'm a very forgiving person. They go, mom, you're. It's wild. You're just like this person treated you this way or that way, or you experienced this with this person. And I try to see where it came from. What is the root of this? Why are they acting this way? And then again, if I can't change it, I can't control it. I can't control somebody else or their actions. Right? You can't control other people. So, you know, you have to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it, help communicate it, and forgive it. I don't Know, I don't know how else. That's how I live my life. And if somebody, you know, a lot of people are struggling, and there's a lot of.
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Emotional Guest
You know, it's. It's. Sorry, just need a second.
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Lizzie Carr
I'm sorry.
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Emotional Guest
Okay. So there are a lot of people out there who struggle with their mental.
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Chris Jenner
Health, and we don't know sometimes what the difference is because we're not inside their brain or their body. So who are we to say, you know, that somebody's not really struggling, sick, you know, having a hard time? And there's so much of that, not really immediate answers and help for everybody. You know, when you can't figure it out, sometimes you think, how does everybody deal with this? You know, so that's. I don't know. I have a lot of compassion for people that are in a family where there's mental health issues. It makes me really sad.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah, it's something definitely trying to support and help. And I'm glad you used it here because it's.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, it makes me. I mean, I. Sometimes I, you know, hear about people or, you know, hear about what somebody's going through, and I literally don't even know them, and I'm in tears, and it just breaks my heart because of the situation right now that we're in. And I think we make it worse for one another. You know, the criticism, the negativity online and the struggle that a lot of people have, and the amount of suicide for young people.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
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Chris Jenner
I mean, it. It's truly heartbreaking. And I hear stories, and it just really is so upsetting and that it, you know, I struggle with that in my heart because I just wish there was more that we all could do just to love each other and be there for each other, and maybe there was a way that we could help in a bigger way. You know, it's very confusing.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah. Yeah. We just. I literally just had the head of suicide from Harvard on the show.
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Chris Jenner
Really?
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Emotional Guest
Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
I just interviewed him maybe a month ago.
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Emotional Guest
Oh, wow.
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Lizzie Carr
And it was so illuminating to hear just how much help people with mental health or suicidal thoughts are even seeking, but even in that.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah.
- [47:51]
Lizzie Carr
Just how hot, like, how hard it is and how heavy it is. And I think heavy.
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Chris Jenner
It's so. It's heavy in my heart, and I don't have an immediate, you know, child or family member that's struggling with that at the moment. And I. I think about it, for some reason, a great deal, as if, you know, maybe there's some way to. There's a Lot of things. A lot of issues that I. Right now I'm in the process of focusing on and getting more information on. One of them is dementia and Alzheimer's. And that's why I love Dr. Amen so much, because he's such an educator.
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Lizzie Carr
Absolutely.
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Chris Jenner
But the mental health thing is very confusing to me because it's so. I don't feel like in the chapter I'm in in my life right now that I've ever experienced this volume of people that are hurting and struggling and. Yeah. Is it? Probably because our communication is enhanced with being able to see it all on the Internet and, you know, all of that, but it's still a lot. And it does get very heavy, and it heavy in my heart. It does.
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Lizzie Carr
Definitely offline about that to see.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
You know, I feel the same way as why I invited Matthew Knock from Harvard on to the show. I'm so glad you did because. Because I couldn't agree with you more. I was just hearing so many stories and learning of so many people, and he told me that his friend committed suicide, even when he knew his friend was the head of.
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Chris Jenner
No.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah. Was studying that, like, so. And he said, I just didn't know. Like, we just didn't know. No one knew.
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Chris Jenner
No one knows.
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Lizzie Carr
No one knows.
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Chris Jenner
And so that's what the tragic part of it is. And there's been so many times when, I mean, even, you know, parents of my, you know, kids, friends, or, you know, there's always one degree of separation, and it's, you know, every single person has something like that, or they know about it, they've heard about it, a close friend happened or Right in their own family, and it's devastating. I know people that have lost people close to them, and there's just no closure there for a lot of people. But how they get to that place is really a struggle. Boy, can we talk about something happy? How did we get here? I'm crying. I'm hysterical. I am a mess. Let's talk about Disneyland or something.
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Lizzie Carr
Are you a Disney fan?
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Chris Jenner
Oh, my God, yes.
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Jay Shetty
You know, it's the happiest place on.
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Lizzie Carr
Earth in my head. Oh, it is like, I fully drank.
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Chris Jenner
It definitely is. I went last week with Courtney. No. Oh, yeah. Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted Mansion. Because they just opened it for.
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Lizzie Carr
Oh, did they?
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Chris Jenner
Yeah. And I go to Disney. I work for Disney. I want to be Snow White.
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Emotional Guest
Yeah.
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Chris Jenner
All of it.
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Lizzie Carr
I love it.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah. I'm excited to go to the Epic Universe in Universal.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, yes.
- [51:01]
Jay Shetty
They just opened the they opened it.
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Lizzie Carr
With the new Harry Potter World and all the rest.
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Chris Jenner
Wait, is that Disney? That's not Disney.
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Jay Shetty
No, it's Universal. It's Universal. This is not. It's Theme Park World.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, that's your. That's your thing. Have you been to the Star Wars Ride Ride at Disneyland?
- [51:14]
Jay Shetty
So good. Yeah.
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Chris Jenner
It's insane.
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Lizzie Carr
It's amazing. So.
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Chris Jenner
Oh, there you go. See, we have something else in common.
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Jay Shetty
We do.
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Lizzie Carr
We do.
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Jay Shetty
I. I'm.
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Lizzie Carr
I'm completely. I've completely drank the Kool Aid on Disney.
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Chris Jenner
Yeah, me too.
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Lizzie Carr
It is the happiest place every day.
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Chris Jenner
Happiest place on Earth. Yes, sir.
- [51:31]
Lizzie Carr
I love it.
- [51:31]
Chris Jenner
Yes, sir.
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Jay Shetty
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Ed Helms
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Chris Jenner
You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little call in Firth.
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Ed Helms
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Ed Helms
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Jay Shetty
Chris, when we've spoken offline, I've always.
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Lizzie Carr
Been blown away by how you've when you keep talking about family, I think people think, oh yeah, there's six kids, right?
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Jay Shetty
But to you, the family is even.
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Lizzie Carr
Your kids exes, right?
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Chris Jenner
Yes.
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Lizzie Carr
Partners, yes, people.
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Jay Shetty
Like it grows. Even if one of your children has.
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Lizzie Carr
Been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family.
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Chris Jenner
I do.
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Lizzie Carr
And that is incredible.
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Jay Shetty
Talk to me about how you expand.
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Lizzie Carr
That radius of care and love.
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Chris Jenner
First of all, I believe in my heart and in my soul love is love. And I fall in love with people and have lives and years spent with their partners or their boyfriends or their husbands and have all these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and celebrations and birthdays, birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears, the babies. These are in most cases the fathers of my grandchildren. And I love these men. And that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them. It just doesn't turn off like that for me. And I think that goes back to communication, compassion, forgiveness and moving through that so you can get to a place where they know they can always come to me. Every one of my kids exes know that they have an open door. And I think that's how I was with my kids when they were little and I got a divorce and I got Married to Bruce and. And when that happened, Robert knew that he could come walking in that back. It took a couple years, but it was what I had learned from people that were in my life in previous years. I saw the co parenting skills that other couples, two couples in particular, but these two couples handled their experience of how they loved their kids. It was all about the kids. Because if you sit and berate your partner over and over and over again to the kids, or your ex partner, your ex boyfriend, your ex husband, your ex, you know, it's their dad or it's their stepdad or their. You can't do that. It really creates so much damage psychologically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it. Children don't know how to process that kind of. It's a grief, it's a separation. So my goal with my children was always their dad comes for Christmas morning and we spend New Year's Eve together and birthdays and celebrations. Robert Kardashian came to Kendall and Kylie's first birthdays and he was there for every celebration and they called him Uncle Robert. And he walked through that back door whenever he wanted, knowing there would be dinner on the table at 6 o' clock and he was always welcome. And it's the same way I now treat all of my kids exes, which a lot of people don't understand because if they treated them badly. But we've all dealt with those issues internally and privately, and we don't need to talk about these things anymore. It's been done, it's dealt with. We've done it, we've talked about it. We all know what happened. You know, we've had it on the show or whatever's happened in our lives. Now it's time to grow the up, be mature. And I love who I loved and I don't like what they've done. No, I don't. But it doesn't make the love get any less overnight. And I'm there for them always. And these are the fathers of my grandchildren. What would my grandkids think 20 years from now if their grandmother treated their dad poorly or I wasn't loving and kind and compassionate and forgiving. So I teach my kids forgiveness. It's one of the biggest lessons that I can teach them to forgive somebody who's treated you badly and move on. You may not completely forget, but you need to forgive. You need to let it go. It's not good for your soul. It's too much pressure on your heart, you know, And I do love them and I do love who they are, and I love their families. It's like with Travis Scott. I'm close to Travis, and I love his mom and his dad and his sister and his brother. They're family to us, and we share celebrations together. And same with Tristan, who comes walking in the back door and has, you know, hey, mom, what's up? You know, I'm like, okay. So they're always around, and we embrace them.
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Lizzie Carr
You said that before you start something, you pray.
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Chris Jenner
I do.
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Lizzie Carr
Wondering, what is that prayer?
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Chris Jenner
It's, dear God, please, you know, surround me with youh angels if I'm doing something that's dangerous or when I go to bed at night and just help me to see what you want me to see and be the person that I need to be today and just help me through these difficult times. Or I come to God in my prayers with lots of gratitude and thankfulness for the life that I have or just the ability to help somebody else. Because I think giving back is so important. And my girls and I talk a lot about that, and just that we've been given so much, and to whom much is given, you know, much is required. And that to me, is something that I was taught very young. And I just pray about safety. I pray about peace, not only in my heart, but in the world. I pray about my family constantly and their safety and the grandkids and, you know, all the things. And I really. It's important to me to calm myself before something important and really think about it and be thoughtful about it and be prayerful about it and then be grateful for it.
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Lizzie Carr
That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that with us.
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Chris Jenner
That's my routine every day, but I wake up with a prayer. Thank you for waking me up. Thank you for giving me another beautiful day. Show me how you want me to spend my time today and help me through these 75,000 meetings and Zooms I have to do. And then thank you for protecting me tonight when I go to sleep and bringing me some peace and so I can recharge and be there for somebody else. Because if you don't get yourself ready and get that energy going for the next day, your tank is going to be empty. And I can't really run on an empty tank.
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Lizzie Carr
Yeah. Well said. Well said. Is there a truth that you feel or a lesson? Is there a lesson, Chris, that you feel life has had to teach you the hard way?
- [62:45]
Chris Jenner
I think that the challenges are growth. I think when I go through something that's really hard, I have to remember to be grateful for It. And I have to remember that it's part of the process and it's what got me here. Because, by the way, if you just started your adult life at 18 and just got everything you wanted, I think that it would be a very different life. It would be full. It would be harder at the end of the day. But I love the things that I. I wouldn't change anything that I've been through because it's taught me so much, so many things in my life, decades worth of things, you know, that you think back, and I think, what were the hardest. The hardest times, you know, and those are the times that really, I think, for me personally, I experienced the most growth as a person. And believe me, I've made so many mistakes, and I've. You know, I'm not always right. And I have to apologize to somebody, you know, all the time if I mean, you know, I'm human and I'm definitely not perfect and I'm flawed, but I just try to learn something a little bit different and be a little bit better every day.
- [64:06]
Lizzie Carr
What's a lesson that you feel you're really realizing right now in your 70 years that's kind of at the forefront of your mind? A principle or a lesson that there's probably a couple.
- [64:17]
Chris Jenner
I'm trying to be more patient. I'm trying not to lose my temper over things that don't matter and that I can't control because I know that I have a purpose. I know that I have this beautiful life and this beautiful family. So just relax. When you can't control something, who cares? It's not gonna change anything. Me getting upset isn't going to change a thing. I can renegotiate. I can talk to somebody calmly. I can try to deal with things that. The challenges that come up day to day. And if I can't control it, I've got to let it go. I've got to say to myself, okay, you know, it's funny. Do you know Dr. Amen?
- [65:01]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, of course. Yeah. He's been on the show four or five times.
- [65:03]
Chris Jenner
Oh, I love him so much. So I talk to him from time to time, and he said, what's on your mind today? And I said, you know, what's on my mind is I keep thinking I'm a complainer. And my daughter Chloe has really brought this to my mind, top of mind, and said, mom, you've got to stop complaining about nothing. Like, you have the most beautiful life. And I go, I know, you're right. I'm a control Freak. So when you're a control freak, like, my idea of a great Saturday afternoon is rearranging my drawers. It gives me peace, it helps my brain, it helps me to get. I'm a very organized girl, so to reorganize everything just to, I don't know, blow off some steam, helps me to relax. It's my form of Zen. So when I can't control something, I get annoyed. Like, the littlest things, like, why did that person do, like, that? Doesn't even make any sense. So common sense isn't very common, as we all know. Right. So I always say that. And so Dr. Amen said, I'm gonna give you the rule of 12. He goes, you have to wait until something goes wrong for the 12th time, and then you can let loose. And I said, oh, I love that.
- [66:17]
Jay Shetty
That's so good.
- [66:18]
Chris Jenner
So, of course, somebody forgets a bag, so we have to wait, you know, whatever, half hour for somebody to go back, drive somewhere, da, da, da. Then somebody forgot a passport. Then, you know, it went like that for a while, right? And one by one, okay, number one. And I just smiled, you know, tried to breathe. Number two. Okay, I'm going to distract myself. I'll get on Instagram or something, right? Then number three, you know, And I kept trying to distract myself from being cranky. Got to number 12, and I thought, okay, next one, I'm gonna. You know, shit's gonna hit the fan. And of course, number 13 came, and I just went, okay. And it really helped to put me in my place a little bit. Like, nothing's this serious. Like, why are you complaining? What do you have to complain about? And then just trying to find your peace, inner peace, where you feel like, we've all had days. I know everybody's had the day that they wake up and they realize today is such a great day. Like, everything's going right. My family's healthy. I have money in the bank. I can pay the rent. I. You know, I. This relationship is going really well, and I have lots of friends, and everything's just coming up roses. And that's the feeling that I love to have and recognize when it comes along. So that feeling of gratitude and gratification and just thankfulness, like, thank you, God, for all of these wonderful things. But it's not just about oodles and oodles of blessings. It's about a feeling.
- [68:02]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
- [68:02]
Chris Jenner
Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
- [68:03]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
- [68:04]
Chris Jenner
It's about really recognizing how special that is. And sometimes it doesn't come along every single day. So you have to appreciate it.
- [68:14]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah. You've got to look for it. You got to find that feeling.
- [68:16]
Chris Jenner
You do.
- [68:17]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, you got to find that feeling.
- [68:18]
Chris Jenner
You have to find that feeling and then really kind of just you know, let it sink in.
- [68:24]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, you're reminding me. There's a tool that I love. It's called the perspective scale. And so if you looked at your life from 0 to 10, 0 is the way you feel when you wake up and everything's amazing. And 10 is you wake up and the worst thing possible could happen. Are you all the opposite right now?
- [68:42]
Jay Shetty
If you looked at the today's problem.
- [68:44]
Lizzie Carr
Of someone forgetting their bag to the airport. Yeah, it's like a two on that.
- [68:48]
Jay Shetty
List because compared to the worst day ever, it's nothing.
- [68:51]
Lizzie Carr
But when you don't have that perspective, everything's a 10, right? Everything feels like a 10. Like the meeting that fell through, the person who show up, the text you got that you didn't want it. It's like everything's a 9 or a 10. And when you look at it in perspective, you go, oh, actually, that's just a one.
- [69:06]
Chris Jenner
That's a one.
- [69:07]
Lizzie Carr
It's a two. Yeah, it's a, you know, whatever it.
- [69:09]
Jay Shetty
Is, and it just lets you. What you're saying, relax, relax.
- [69:12]
Chris Jenner
Can't control it.
- [69:13]
Lizzie Carr
It's okay.
- [69:14]
Chris Jenner
What are we gonna do? Just get ourself all twirled up? No, I can't do that anymore. I'm too. I want to protect my peace. And it's part of what I talked to Dr. Amen about is protecting my peace and just showing more kindness and more generosity and more just being the kind of person, like my grandmother used to say, you better treat others the way you want others to treat, you know, and so, of course. And also she always said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. And that's when I want to plaster across my Instagram page. It's such a different world.
- [69:52]
Lizzie Carr
It's a great rule though, right? Great rule.
- [69:54]
Chris Jenner
They still hold true. All of these decades, all these cliches. They all do. Yeah, they all do.
- [70:00]
Jay Shetty
Absolutely.
- [70:00]
Chris Jenner
I know I have a lot of them and. No, I mean, you know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a drink. I mean, all those silly ones. And my kids make fun of me all the time.
- [70:09]
Lizzie Carr
Time.
- [70:10]
Jay Shetty
But could you say it to that?
- [70:11]
Chris Jenner
I'm old fashioned, though.
- [70:12]
Jay Shetty
I was about to say, just so. Just so everyone knows how organized Chris is. She came here 35 minutes early today.
- [70:19]
Lizzie Carr
Like 35 minutes early.
- [70:21]
Jay Shetty
No one does that. And Kendall, Kim and Chloe never been.
- [70:24]
Lizzie Carr
Late to the podcast.
- [70:25]
Jay Shetty
Never been late to an event it didn't like. It's just everyone operates so professionally.
- [70:30]
Lizzie Carr
There's so much respect for everyone else's time and energy.
- [70:32]
Chris Jenner
Yes.
- [70:32]
Jay Shetty
Yeah. And it's. And it comes from that place.
- [70:34]
Lizzie Carr
It's not just checkbox.
- [70:36]
Jay Shetty
It's like whenever I've spent time with.
- [70:38]
Lizzie Carr
Anyone, whether it's with Kim and Chloe in India or, you know, whatever it may be, everyone's always on time and the energy's right. And everyone's excited and there's.
- [70:46]
Chris Jenner
Excited to be there.
- [70:47]
Lizzie Carr
Excited to be there and to be.
- [70:49]
Chris Jenner
I love the girls because they love to build other people up and they have this great group of friends and to look at these humans that, you know, I've, you know, just so very proud of the women and the man that they become because they make me so happy. And they have, you know, very happy lives because they have each other. I mean, not everybody can have six kids, but it's a lot of people raised, but certainly it makes for a really, you know, amazing family.
- [71:24]
Jay Shetty
How did you make sure you got.
- [71:25]
Lizzie Carr
To know them all individually and intimately in a way that you could guide them towards their passions and help them find it? Because that's such an individual process.
- [71:36]
Chris Jenner
It is.
- [71:36]
Lizzie Carr
It's such a personal thing.
- [71:38]
Chris Jenner
I think with the first four, I was lucky enough to not be working through the pregnancies or raising them when they were small, and I took that time. And then later when I was, you know, I really came into this growth and, you know, television success when I was 52, when we started our show.
- [72:09]
Cal Penn
Wow.
- [72:10]
Lizzie Carr
I think you realize that.
- [72:11]
Chris Jenner
I know. And people, by the way, thought that we just sort of appeared out of nowhere. And I had a life for a couple decades, several decades that I was very immersed in Hollywood and knew everybody and had this beautiful life with Robert and then Bruce at the time, and, you know, just had this glorious, you know, life together with my kids and really experience so much with them from when they were babies and they were always doing things and in sports and we went to everything and, you know, it was just a typical childhood for them that they were involved in everything and we were right there, you know, as, you know, having a front row seat to their childhoods. And that makes a big difference, you know, when you're just all in a thousand percent. I had some friends who didn't experience what I experienced and the difference in the outcome in how their kids were Raised versus, you know, there are differences. It's like, and it's not just about somebody who throws themselves into one of their kids. It's definitely how a child's makeup is. They're individuals. But what was so fascinating for me was how different every single child was. I had my first baby, and you don't know what to expect with number two. One is like one, two is like 20 for me. That's how it was for me. And it was very overwhelming to have two. And I thought, oh, what's one more? You know, and then it just kept going. But I think what you don't expect and what people would say to me at the time, people that were my age but didn't have any kids or one kid, and they would say, wow, how are they so different? And they were just obviously had their own, you know, amazing personalities and all the things that come with that and just learned each one little by little and just were part of each other's, you know, obviously DNA. But it truly, like, they're just the biggest part of my heart.
- [74:28]
Lizzie Carr
But it's so interesting to hear that, that having that time with each of them and having that quality time in those early days. And I assume you'd built up the skills by the time you had Kendall and Kylie.
- [74:40]
Chris Jenner
I had a break. Yeah, I had like an eight year break in there. And so when I had Kendall, not only had the world changed and the, you know, I mean, there was a time, I mean, I had a good solid decade when I had like three high chairs lined up and, you know, strollers and two car seats. And then I went through a stage of having a little bit of a break with being pregnant and then started all over again. And everything changed. There were telephones, there were computers. It was huge, a huge change in how everything worked. And 1995 came along and Kendall was born, and then I really had another chance at sort of continuing my family with Kendall and Kylie and thought, oh, now we need another one, because you don't want Kendall to grow up kind of so far apart in the gap. So we had another one. And Chloe was like my angel because Chloe really helped me. She was 10, maybe or 11. And she really helped me with Kendall and Kylie because now at this point I've got a full time job and I've got to figure out how to keep the lights on, Truly. And I thought, oh, this is like, so from morning till night, working and trying to make it, you know, a career was very interesting. And that little Chloe was like a little Mama's helper with everything, with feeding and bath time and, you know, help me babysit on the weekends. I was in the house, I was in my office. But, you know, if I said, you guys play out here, I'll be right. You know, but with such a great set of hands and such a. She gave everything to those girls.
- [76:31]
Lizzie Carr
Wow.
- [76:31]
Chris Jenner
And really help me with that so that I'll always be grateful.
- [76:34]
Jay Shetty
That was just natural for her.
- [76:35]
Lizzie Carr
Like, that was natural. That was her maternal energy that she had.
- [76:40]
Chris Jenner
I could have called Chloe at 10 years old and said, we're having folks for dinner tonight. Can you just throw on a little something for dinner and set the table for eight, 10 people? She would have nailed it. I mean, she was something else. She still is. She's just remarkable, that kid. But yeah. So, you know, if I hadn't had the older ones to really help me with the younger ones, it would have been a lot more difficult. But that's what great big families are. So that's why they're so special.
- [77:10]
Jay Shetty
Like, you're promoting big families, Chris. That's the.
- [77:13]
Chris Jenner
Come on, everybody. Get out there and have some kids.
- [77:15]
Jay Shetty
Have some kids.
- [77:16]
Chris Jenner
Yeah, that's what we need.
- [77:18]
Jay Shetty
It seems so thoughtful though. Like, you were like, all right, I.
- [77:21]
Lizzie Carr
Don'T want Kendall to be the last one who's left alone. And so we'll have another one.
- [77:24]
Jay Shetty
Like, there's so much thought.
- [77:25]
Lizzie Carr
It's intentional.
- [77:27]
Chris Jenner
It was very intentional.
- [77:28]
Lizzie Carr
It's very intentional.
- [77:29]
Chris Jenner
Yeah. I didn't want somebody to be left without their. Like, it was Courtney and Kimberly and then it was Chloe and Rob who are still connected at the hip. They're both, all of them. And then it's Kendall and Kylie.
- [77:42]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
- [77:42]
Chris Jenner
So they all had their little. I had different litters, but they had different pals. You know, it was, it's really. And I just, I felt really good about that.
- [77:52]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, I love that.
- [78:02]
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- [79:04]
Cal Penn
Hey, audiobook lovers. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with musician, producer and walking encyclopedia Questlove. We're talking about Mark Ronson's memoir, Night how to be a DJ in 90s New York City. All right, like we talked about before, Mark Ronson found sanctuary in the DJ booth. What's a tool or piece of equipment in the studio or on stage that gives you the most control?
- [79:27]
Questlove
So I have two microphones on stage. We have the microphone that you hear as the audience. Then we have a second microphone in which we communicate with each other. I feel like that second microphone kind of saved all of our friendships. No band likes each other after 20 years or 25 years. The Beatles broke up in seven and a half years and we're going on 35.
- [79:52]
Cal Penn
Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ed Helms
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- [80:23]
Jay Shetty
Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.
- [80:26]
Ed Helms
Cut the camera. They see us.
- [80:27]
Ryan Seacrest
Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com.
- [80:30]
Chris Jenner
Liberty, liberty, liberty. Liberty Savings.
- [80:33]
Ryan Seacrest
Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates, excludes Massachusetts.
- [80:44]
Jay Shetty
Let's go through the kids and go. One thing that each of them have taught you.
- [80:48]
Chris Jenner
Oh, okay. Courtney taught me probably how to be a mom. She was my firstborn and she was, you know, she gave me a run for my money because she was very calicky. And that was interesting and very challenging for, you know, those long nights and all of that. So that was like, oh, okay. This is what it's like. Okay. And you would do anything to make her life and have her feel better. And, you know, this little tiny thing that was, you know, really had an upset tummy for nine months at least, and then I wanted to do it again. Kim taught me multitasking, and Chloe taught me probably. Oh. I mean, they all taught me love. But Chloe united everybody and taught me a lot about how grateful I was for humor because she was so funny. And then Rob, the same Rob was just a joy, but he was the boy. You know, Robert Kardashian Sr. Came from a big Armenian family, and they were praying for a boy from day one. So, you know, it was always, you know, I hope it's the boy. I hope it's the boy, and it's gonna be Robert Jr. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, it's a girl. You know, another girl, another girl. And so when Robert was born, it was like all the Armenians were rejoicing. They were. My mother and father in law were so happy and all their friends. And I remember she ran to the hospital with this beautiful brooch, diamond brooch.
- [82:42]
Emotional Guest
That she gave me.
- [82:43]
Chris Jenner
And I was, you know, it was so joyful. And it was like New Year's Eve, you know, and it was a celebration, so that was really special. And it taught me a lot about their culture and how to celebrate on another level and all of the experiences that. Because suddenly when Robert was born, the Armenian side of my in laws really kicked in over at my house. You know, it's like, we're going to make, you know, these Armenian meals and I'm going to show and we trying to teach the kids to speak a little Armenian, which, you know, didn't go that far. They're not fluent or anything, but it was a lot of fun to learn about that and finally to have the boy that they had been hoping for for all that time. And then. So that was joyful. He taught me a lot about what that meant and what, you know, having probably what they considered, you know, more of the head of the family because I had a son and what that was like. That was just such a beautiful experience to have a boy. And then Kendall, I think, taught me a lot about patience and serenity because I had two miscarriages before I had Kendall. And that taught me a lot. Because you think you're invincible. I'm just gonna pop out another baby. And then you don't, and it becomes a little bit of a struggle. But when she came, you know, it was just so amazing, too. And it made me realize how appreciation, I think a lot of that lesson too, was how much I appreciated and then sat in awe of all the other times I had done it and thought, wow, this is not just so easy for everybody. And by that time, when Kylie came along, I also. Appreciation and just joy. And I got gestational diabetes very badly, and I gained about 100 pounds. And that was hard. And it taught me a lot about patience and it taught Me a lot about being healthy and healthy choices and the world was changing. And a lot of my friends at the time, we were all in our 40s. I had Kendall when I was 40 and I had Kylie when I was 41. And that when you do that in your life after having four other children, that's a very, you know, it's a decision you're making. It's very intentional. And you don't just accidentally pop up and get, at least for me, get pregnant for no reason. And so it was very intentional to add to my family. And Kylie taught me a lot about being grateful and having gratitude for all of my children, because now that I'm in my 40s, a lot of my friends were also in their 40s and everybody was struggling with infertility that hadn't had a baby yet. And here I was on my, you know, fifth and sixth and. And, you know, and some people were really struggling and I thought, wow, so grateful that this had been. This, this was my journey. So I felt like, very grateful for that.
- [86:08]
Lizzie Carr
That's beautiful. So sorry for your loss. I mean, those two miscarriages. Yeah, I mean, I've had a lot of my friends in the last 12 to 24 months have experienced miscarriages, and I feel like people are starting to talk about it a bit more now.
- [86:21]
Chris Jenner
You grieve.
- [86:22]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah.
- [86:23]
Chris Jenner
It's a terrible thing that you do because it's so silent almost. You know, it happens and people go, we're so sorry. And I carried that for months, months and months. You know, you still think about it from time to time, but don't dwell on it at all. Just grateful that I am and I got to have my journey and my experience and my kids are thriving health wise at the moment. So, you know, you just have to be there and support and love on the friends that you. That go through that. And that was. A lot of my friends were experiencing it around that time, and that was real. That was a big moment for me during those years. It wasn't a moment. It was several years of just, just trying to be there and being supportive and being a friend and trying to go to doctor's appointments and, you know, doing different versions of IVF and all these different medical. But by the way, we're just becoming something that worked in those years. Like it was very still, very new. And 30 years ago, almost 30 years ago, and I just always would hold my breath when one of my friends would get pregnant again, you know, that it experienced loss in such a difficult way. Praying and Then every time one of my girlfriends would have a baby after a long journey, I would go to the hospital and we would celebrate. And it was just. Yeah, I remember doing that quite a few times. Yeah.
- [88:06]
Lizzie Carr
So anyway, yeah, no, thank you for sharing that.
- [88:09]
Jay Shetty
It's.
- [88:09]
Lizzie Carr
I think it's gonna be useful for a lot of people to hear that because it's. I don't think it's ever gonna get easier when people go through something. No, it's. It's always gonna hurt. And knowing that others are going through it is probably the only thing right. Helps.
- [88:23]
Chris Jenner
It's devastating to people that have tried for so long to have a baby and just. It just doesn't happen for them. And that used to break my heart because I always did experienced the joy and the joyful part of it. I never really had the side that ended very sadly. I mean, I had a couple of experiences that was, you know, traumatizing to say the least at the time. But I went on with a happy ending. And some people don't get that happy ending. And that always used to break my heart, you know, to have anybody struggle with that. But now, my goodness, there's so many amazing, you know, ways to overcome just due to all the new technology, all the things they're doing now and the way people are using surrogates. That's such a wonderful gift to be able to give someone. I used to think when I was really young and not thinking it through, after I had a couple kids, I said I would. I was watching something on TV once about a surrogate, and by the way, we're talking 1980s, and I used to think I would do this for somebody if somebody like, I would do this. And then, you know, then a few minutes later, you're like, chris, snap out of it. But no, I used to think that. Truly, I used to think that would be a great thing to do. So I really do admire women who give their life to somebody for a couple of years, basically of helping them carry a baby. I just shout out to anybody who's ever been a surrogate, what a beautiful, sacred gift.
- [90:09]
Lizzie Carr
And now from your position of having this wisdom and being in this place in your life, what's a piece of advice or wisdom that you're sharing with each of the kids? What's the different lens or direction that you're giving each of them right now?
- [90:22]
Chris Jenner
I think be kind, treat each other with love and kindness and everyone that you encounter. And you never know what somebody's been through or what they're going through at the moment or that day. And if people are, you know, cruel and nasty. We talk about that a lot lately, just about the, you know, the way people can get worked up online and some of the negative energy there and just really trying to not listen to the noise. Don't read that kind of stuff and try to be more joyful and just to be there for one another because all we have is each other. That's all we've got. It goes by so fast, and especially when you have kids, you realize how fast time goes by. And Kylie shared in our group chat, our family group chat, a picture of Stormi yesterday. And I haven't seen her in a week. And I was shook. I was like, this is just going by so fast. She's, you know, she grew a foot. What happened here? So I think just to appreciate the moment, drown out the noise as much as you can and love each other as hard as you can because you only have this one life and it goes by right really fast.
- [91:50]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, you've. You keep talking about in this interview, this drowning out the noise and there being so many disturbances.
- [91:56]
Chris Jenner
You have to. Yeah, because there's so much going on. I have so much incoming constantly in my life. You know, there's always something to look answer to, look at a contract, have a zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's always so much to choose from and so many beautiful things we can do. But there's also a lot of it's work, but it's stuff we need to do or it's conflict or it's something you need to deal with personally. There's always something going on during the day and I think you have to edit your life and really focus on what you want to put your energy into, put your heart and your soul into, put your love into, and then edit what you can get rid of to find some joy and some peace in all of it. And through all of that, be grateful.
- [92:54]
Lizzie Carr
What I love learning about you more and more the more time we spend together is that I feel like you're this incredible powerhouse, amazing business person, incredible strategy, but at the heart of it, there's this really soft, loving, soulful, you know, individual.
- [93:12]
Jay Shetty
And is that how you see yourself.
- [93:13]
Lizzie Carr
When you feel most seen? For people who know you the deepest and the best.
- [93:17]
Emotional Guest
Yeah.
- [93:18]
Jay Shetty
How did they see you?
- [93:18]
Lizzie Carr
What did they see?
- [93:19]
Chris Jenner
I think the way you described. Anyone who knows me knows I'm just a big baby and I'm a big softie and I cry at commercials. I literally have it right under the surface at all Times. But then I go to work and I'm like, okay, let's hear you. No, I'm really not. But I. I love what I do. And I know that through experience and time and just all the things we've been through, I try my best every day and try to get through the day with as much integrity and the best character I can put out there and be myself and do what I think is right and teach my kids to be good human beings and my grandkids and just have so much fun and enjoy every minute and. Yeah.
- [94:15]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, you did it right, Chris.
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Chris Jenner
I don't know. You know, listen, I make a lot of mistakes throughout my life and during the day and, you know, all of it, you know, just like everybody does.
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Lizzie Carr
That's normal, Liz.
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Chris Jenner
But I think if we just go out there and put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say, my grandma used to say, and do our very best and be the best sink scrubber you can possibly be, you're gonna be okay.
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Lizzie Carr
I love that, Chris.
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Jay Shetty
We end every on purpose interview.
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Lizzie Carr
The final five. Okay, These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. So you have a sentence for each.
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Chris Jenner
Okay, I'm responding to your word.
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Jay Shetty
Yeah, I'll ask you a question. You can have a sentence.
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Lizzie Carr
You can have a sentence. So, Christiana, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?
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Chris Jenner
Lead with your heart.
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Lizzie Carr
Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?
- [95:09]
Chris Jenner
Probably somebody telling me how to raise my kids, and then I do the exact opposite, and I think I did.
- [95:18]
Lizzie Carr
Because you disagree with it. What was some of that bad advice? Like, what kind of things did people say?
- [95:23]
Chris Jenner
Just, you know, when you're going through life and people are telling you different ways to just approach a problem and how they would handle it, and I've always just done my own thing. Yeah, I think you have to really go with your intuition and your gut when you're raising kids or any real important decision that you make in your life, you have to follow what your soul tells you to do. And I've been really, I think, intuitive about what I think is right and wrong.
- [96:02]
Lizzie Carr
Question number three. What do you feel your soul is here to experience right now?
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Chris Jenner
I think I have a strong purpose in raising my family and raising great kids and created a legacy that I pass on to my grandchildren and their children and just showing and learning from one another. My family. I think it's all about my family. I was born to Be a mom and help them find their passion, their truth, their joy, their legacy. And so I have a lot of. I'm so proud of that. That gets to be my purpose.
- [96:48]
Lizzie Carr
That's so. It's so clearly what it feels like you were born to do.
- [96:53]
Chris Jenner
I feel like that, yeah. I feel so strong.
- [96:56]
Lizzie Carr
And it's amazing that you're thinking about not only your grandkids, but their kids and. Oh, yeah, like you. You really do think about multi generational.
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Chris Jenner
I think I'm a very sentimental person. And I made an app for my family that we have all of our home movies from the time they were born and they're up on the screen and I try to think of really interesting things to give them about their childhood and, you know, what they can do for their kids. And, you know, it's just. It all comes back to the kids, the grandkids. And celebrating is celebrating anything is so special in my family. And being able to celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving and Halloween and 4th of July and Valentine's, everything, like everybody's birthday. It's every month. There's something really big that happens around our crew. And I think just having that joy and that to look forward to if it's just being together. And like you were saying, you're celebrating your special time and that's something that you're looking forward to and you can't wait. We feel like that all the time because there's so many of us.
- [98:13]
Lizzie Carr
Totally.
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Chris Jenner
And so my purpose here is to be this, you know, conductor of all of the stuff and to teach it to all of them, and then they'll teach it to their kids, and their kids will teach it to their kids. And, you know, just the tradition, the sentimental times, the memories, the scores of photos that I used to put into albums before there was ever an iPhone. And, you know, that all means so much.
- [98:42]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah. Question number four. You are obviously there for all of them. What do you still go to your mother for, who's 91?
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Chris Jenner
Everything. I talk to her every day on the phone. Really? We help each other with what we're gonna watch. She loves Dateline as much as I do, so we're like, what murder mystery are we gonna watch tonight? And then she'll say, okay, I was sad today, so we're gonna watch a comedy. And we'll say, okay, which one? And so we have great fun just doing that together. Even though she lives a mile from my house, I try to get her to move in with me, but she refutes. She's so independent. Which I admire and love. And she lives part time in La Jolla down near San Diego, and she's got beautiful views, so she sends me photos every day of how much she appreciates the ocean and her surroundings. And, you know, we just have great fun together.
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Emotional Guest
Yeah.
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Lizzie Carr
She's 91 now, right?
- [99:40]
Chris Jenner
91.
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Lizzie Carr
It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. What she passed down. Your grandmother passed down. Oh, it's like it's already been three.
- [99:49]
Jay Shetty
Did they have that as well, or.
- [99:50]
Lizzie Carr
Were they the ones to start it off?
- [99:53]
Chris Jenner
I think my grandmother started it.
- [99:55]
Cal Penn
Right.
- [99:55]
Lizzie Carr
She started off right.
- [99:56]
Chris Jenner
Yeah. So lucky me.
- [99:57]
Lizzie Carr
It's already been five generations.
- [99:58]
Chris Jenner
Lucky me.
- [100:00]
Lizzie Carr
It's amazing. Fifth and final question, Chris. We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show, okay? The question is, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?
- [100:12]
Chris Jenner
Love one another. Simple.
- [100:15]
Lizzie Carr
Simple. Why do we find it so hard?
- [100:18]
Chris Jenner
I don't know. I don't know. But that's mine. That's my advice.
- [100:26]
Lizzie Carr
I'm so grateful to you for your time, your energy, you know, sharing your soul. I'm waiting now. All I was thinking about this whole time while you were speaking, I was like, we need a Chris memoir. Like, we need a memoir. All of these incredible stories of you scrubbing that donut floor and.
- [100:44]
Chris Jenner
Yeah, the glaze off the floor.
- [100:46]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, the glaze off the floor.
- [100:47]
Chris Jenner
I am the best donut glaze scraper.
- [100:51]
Lizzie Carr
In the US we need a memoir for. From the matriarch. You know, we need a memoir.
- [100:58]
Chris Jenner
You know, there's silly stories and something that, you know, most people won't, you know, think are significant, but they were growing up and, you know, that's. Everybody's life is so different, and that's, you know, part of mine. So I'm grateful for every moment.
- [101:15]
Lizzie Carr
Yeah, well, you impact millions of people across the world, and so your story matters for people to know how you became who you became. And I'm grateful that we could share that chapter here and celebrate your upcoming 70th birthday. And just so grateful for you, your family.
- [101:31]
Chris Jenner
And we're grateful for you. And I'm proud of you for spreading all the messages you spread around the world. And everybody listens to you and gets such strength and knowledge and comfort and hopefully turns their lives around in some way. And that's a very special position to be in. And, you know, that's your very special man. So thank you for all that you give to everybody in the world, including me and my family. So thank you thank you, Chris.
- [102:02]
Lizzie Carr
You're the best.
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Jay Shetty
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