Naomi Osaka: “I Used to Think Losing Meant My Life Was Over” Sharing Her Truth of Navigating Shame, Public Pressure & How She Found REAL Self-Worth

Summary

Podcast Summary: Naomi Osaka on "On Purpose with Jay Shetty"

Podcast Information:

• Title: On Purpose with Jay Shetty
• Host/Author: Jay Shetty (iHeartPodcasts)
• Description: Jay Shetty hosts conversations aimed at helping listeners become happier, healthier, and more healed. Featuring experts, celebrities, thought leaders, and athletes, the podcast focuses on mindset growth, habit building, and uncovering hidden facets of guests. New episodes are released every Monday and Friday.

Episode Details:

• Episode Title: Naomi Osaka: “I Used to Think Losing Meant My Life Was Over” Sharing Her Truth of Navigating Shame, Public Pressure & How She Found REAL Self-Worth
• Release Date: August 1, 2025

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Introduction

In this deeply personal episode, Jay Shetty welcomes Naomi Osaka, a four-time Grand Slam champion and the first Asian to hold the world number one ranking in women's singles tennis. Beyond her athletic achievements, Naomi is a global advocate for mental health and social justice. She also runs a production company, Hanakuma, and a skincare line, Kinlo.

Early Life and Cultural Influences

Naomi shares insights about her multicultural upbringing, being of Haitian and Japanese descent. She moved from Japan to America at the age of three, which played a significant role in shaping her identity.

Naomi Osaka [07:51]: "I remember my sister kicking me in the head... and just having a fun time in Japan as a kid."

She reflects on the challenges of maintaining her Japanese language skills due to school policies and how language serves as a cultural and intimate connector.

Training and Family Dynamics

Raised on the tennis court, Naomi discusses the intense training regimen orchestrated by her father, inspired by Richard Williams' coaching of his daughters.

Naomi Osaka [10:44]: "I began to think to myself like it would be very weird if I didn't make it."

The family's close-knit structure, consisting of Naomi, her sister, mother, and father, fostered a strong bond essential for her development as an athlete.

Mental Health Journey

A pivotal moment in Naomi's career was her decision to withdraw from the French Open due to mental health struggles. She candidly discusses feelings of shame and isolation during this period.

Naomi Osaka [01:36]: "What I was dealing with at the time... feeling ashamed, going against everything an athlete stood for."

Reflecting three years later, Naomi feels a mix of embarrassment and gratitude for her openness, which has encouraged other athletes to speak out about their mental health.

Naomi Osaka [04:22]: "Honestly, I'm a little bit embarrassed on how I went about it, but I'm really glad that I did open up."

Coping Mechanisms and Personal Growth

Naomi delves into her impulsive nature, a trait from her childhood, balancing creativity on the court with disciplined training. She emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and journaling in her personal growth.

Naomi Osaka [34:14]: "I try to write daily. I try to write my thoughts, what I feel or what I'm grateful for, what I've learned this day."

Her transition to motherhood has further transformed her identity, fostering patience and a more carefree outlook.

Naomi Osaka [30:16]: "Becoming a mother has definitely changed my life a lot. Internally I feel I've become a lot more patient and also in a weird way more carefree."

Dealing with Public Pressure and Identity

Navigating fame hasn't been without challenges. Naomi discusses how public scrutiny and relentless media attention affected her mental health and decision-making.

Naomi Osaka [56:55]: "The emotions at the time felt so heavy... I just decided to leave."

She highlights the importance of detaching self-worth from professional success and embracing a multifaceted identity beyond being a tennis player.

Naomi Osaka [31:48]: "I'm no longer really feel like, you know, my life is over if I lose a tennis match or something like that."

Mentorship and Legacy

Naomi reflects on her mentorship with Kobe Bryant, who imparted valuable lessons on focusing amidst external opinions.

Naomi Osaka [64:29]: "He was like, 'You have to be the lion, and the flies around your eyes are people's opinions.'"

Now, she aims to be a mentor herself, emphasizing generosity and contributing positively to future generations.

Naomi Osaka [65:54]: "Do something good for... the kids that come after us."

Daily Routine and Preparation

On game days, Naomi maintains a consistent routine that includes meditation, a specific breakfast, light training, and mental preparation through visualization.

Naomi Osaka [72:06]: "Every day kind of looks the exact same. I eat breakfast... meditate... listen to music, do like a game prep and then warm up and play the match."

Advice and Final Reflections

In the final segment, Naomi offers heartfelt advice to those struggling with mental health:

Naomi Osaka [74:09]: "You're never alone. There's always going to be people that care about you way more than you think. It's okay to ask for help, and you shouldn't ever feel shame for that."

She emphasizes the importance of self-love and authentic living beyond societal definitions of success.

Notable Quotes:

• Naomi Osaka [04:22]: "Honestly, I'm a little bit embarrassed on how I went about it, but I'm really glad that I did open up."
• Naomi Osaka [31:48]: "I'm no longer really feel like, you know, my life is over if I lose a tennis match or something like that."
• Naomi Osaka [74:09]: "You're never alone. There's always going to be people that care about you way more than you think."

Conclusion

Naomi Osaka's conversation with Jay Shetty offers a profound look into the challenges of balancing high-performance athletics with personal well-being. Her journey underscores the importance of mental health, the strength found in vulnerability, and the continual evolution of self beyond professional accolades. Listeners are left inspired by her resilience, authenticity, and dedication to fostering a healthier, more compassionate approach to success.

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[Naomi Osaka]

What I was dealing with at the time. Feeling ashamed, going against everything an athlete stood for. After I pulled out of the French Open, I flew back home to LA and it just stayed in my house. I didn't want to see the outside world ranked as number one in the world in women's singles.

[Ryan Seacrest]

A four time Grand Slam tennis champ, Naomi Osaka.

[Jay Shetty]

Your dad wanted to train you because he, he was reading about Richard Williams and what he'd done with the Williams sisters. How aware were you of that when you were growing up?

[Naomi Osaka]

Me and my sister and my dad on a tennis court at least eight hours during every day. Yeah. I began to think to myself like it would be very weird if I didn't make it.

[Jay Shetty]

Your vulnerable sharing of your mental health journey. What does it feel like looking back on that?

[Naomi Osaka]

Honestly, I'm a little bit embarrassed on how I went about it what was.

[Jay Shetty]

The process like going from giving birth to then getting back on the court?

[Naomi Osaka]

Maybe seven to 10 days. I started training again.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Naomi Osaka]

My whole identity as I knew it was being a tennis player. I would value what my value was as a person on whether I won or lost.

[Jay Shetty]

What was the feeling like when you won your first Grand Slam?

[Naomi Osaka]

When I was growing up, I had dreams of playing Serena in my first Grand Slam final. It felt like a dream came true. I was just reading comments of people saying, saying that I didn't deserve to win.

[Jay Shetty]

The number one health and wellness podcast, Jay Shetty.

Jay Shetty. The one, the only Jay Shetty. Hey everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier and more healed. Today's guest is someone that I've been dying to talk to for quite a few years now, ever since she opened up about her own mental health journey. Today's guest is Naomi Osaka, a four time Grand Slam champion and was the first Asian to hold the world number one ranking for 21 weeks. Beyond tennis, she's a global advocate for mental health, social justice, and was named one of Time's hundred most influential people twice and now has her production company, Hanakuma, along with her skincare line, Kinlo. Please welcome to the show, Naomi Osaka. Naomi, it's wonderful to have you here.

[Naomi Osaka]

Thank you. It's nice to be here.

[Jay Shetty]

I really meant it. I've been wanting to talk to you for so long. Long. I thought your open, sharing and vulnerable sharing of your mental health journey was so brave and courageous. What does it feel like looking back on that three years now?

[Naomi Osaka]

Honestly, I'm a little bit embarrassed on how I went about it, but I'm really glad that I did open up. It created a pathway for more discussions to be had and I also feel like athletes were seen as more than just, I guess, stone cold in a way.

[Jay Shetty]

Way. So yeah. Why, why embarrassed though now?

[Naomi Osaka]

I don't know. Like I. I just, since I go on things, like I go about things on a whim a little bit, I. I sometimes make decisions without fully thinking them through all the way because it's such an emotional thing. And when I was in that moment, like I was living it and I think everyone could see that I was clearly living it, but I feel like maybe I could have been a little bit better with my words or how.

[Jay Shetty]

I presented well, I think it came across really beautifully. And for whatever it's worth, I felt that it really gave so many more athletes the permission to also open up, to also share how they were feeling. And you're so right. I think it humanized a lot of athletes that are often just seen as these high performing beings and then you don't realize that they have a conversation in their mind. You just said there, and you were saying earlier that sometimes you do things on a whim or sometimes you wing it. Where does that come from? Is that from your childhood? Did that start early?

[Naomi Osaka]

Maybe it's a personality thing, but people don't know. I'm. I'm very impulsive, actually, and I'm just very quick to like, want to get things done. So, yeah, I do think it's a childhood trait. And maybe my mom can tell me more stories about that. I heard her tell a story about how when we were younger, me and my sister, she took us to a fountain and all of a sudden I just jumped in the fountain. So there's probably a bunch more stories like that that she could tell me.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. And where has that trait kind of got you in trouble and when has it actually been a really helpful trait?

[Naomi Osaka]

The moments that's gotten me in trouble, People know about those moments, but I think in times that it's really helped. I feel it's helped a lot on the tennis court just because I often do put a little bit of pressure on myself to be, I guess, flashy in a way. Like I want to make it entertaining for the people that watch. And sometimes in my mind, I have this image of Mofis. He's like one of my favorite tennis players. And I think, you know, maybe I should do something like that. Some of those shots work and some of them don't, but I think it's fun to try regardless.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, definitely. It's so. It's so interesting hearing about athletes speaking about being impulsive and being, you know, because I feel like so much of the sport to us as outsiders look so strategic and intentional and focused. How do you balance that creativity and impulsiveness with more focus and planning and intentionality?

[Naomi Osaka]

It's something that I've just learned throughout playing the sport I've been playing since I was three. So it's kind of ingrained in me. And I feel like every tennis player has their own, I guess, signature or blueprint or formula that they just grew up with. And some people, you see it a lot. Like you can kind of tell that they're the creative people, like on Strabur and then some other people, you can just tell that they're focused on, you know, the, the plays that will lead them to victory. So I find myself being kind of a half and half person.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. You moved from Japan to America when you were four years old?

[Naomi Osaka]

Three.

[Jay Shetty]

Three. Okay. What, if anything, do you remember from that time?

[Naomi Osaka]

I remember my sister kicking me in the head.

[Jay Shetty]

Really? Wow, that's impressive.

[Naomi Osaka]

And I also remember going to the park a lot. I don't know if you're familiar with Japanese food, but my mom used to get us nik. So they're like steamed buns and. Yeah, just. Just having a fun time in Japan as a kid.

[Jay Shetty]

And then what was it like coming to America at that time and settling in? Does that feel like a natural transition or were there certain learnings that you had to have?

[Naomi Osaka]

From my memories, like, it was pretty easy. I don't think I was too attached to Japan. I wasn't too thrilled to be in America either. But it's just the life that I had. I heard that my sister had a tougher time because she was older. And, you know, she only spoke Japanese. So at school, and this is a funny story which is kind of makes me a little mad now, but it's just something that happened. Apparently, me and my sister, we only spoke Japanese. And my teacher told my mom to stop speaking to us in Japanese. So that's kind of how I forgot most of it. So. Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

So you don't speak Japanese anymore?

[Naomi Osaka]

I do, but like, to people I'm comfortable with.

[Jay Shetty]

Right.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Right. So wait, your teacher told your mom not to talk to you and your sister in Japanese so that you'd get more comfortable with English? And why. Why does that make you mad now?

[Naomi Osaka]

I feel like being bilingual is such a good trade. And also, we went to English school, like American, so they spoke English there anyway. So we would have eventually gotten to learn how to speak English.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. And language is such a beautiful way to preserve culture.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

And it preserves an intimacy as well. Like you said that people you're close to, you'll still speak in Japanese. And I feel like there's an intimacy when you're speaking your own language with someone. Right.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah. I also feel like there's a way to convey things that sometimes I can't convey it in English, so I have to say it in Japanese. And there's like a fluctuation or something like that that it can't be translated.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I agree with that. I feel like that way about Hindi. So Hindi is obviously the national language of India, and I feel like there are so many beautiful poetic words in Hindi that if I try and say them in English, they just sound basic. Yeah, but in Hindi, they're really spectacular. So. No, I. I can relate to that. Your dad, at least from what I read. Your dad wanted to train you because he was reading about Richard Williams and what he'd done with the Williams sisters. And I think at one point he even said that I had a blueprint. I knew what I needed to do, and I know I had to follow it. What was it like living that blueprint? And with your dad, how aware were you of that when you were growing up?

[Naomi Osaka]

I heard of that story later on also. But, yeah, I think living in that blueprint was something that I just grew used to. It was kind of just me and my sister and my dad on a tennis court for, like, at least eight hours during the day. Yeah. So it was. It was kind of one of those things where I began to think to myself, like, it would be very weird if I didn't make it. And I had no choice to, because this was, you know, this was my life, and I was just so dedicated towards it. But I find it really funny that he said that there is an exact blueprint.

[Jay Shetty]

Have you ever asked him about any questions about that time when he was training you for eight hours a day, and what was going through his mind and what were his emotions?

[Naomi Osaka]

My dad's kind of a stoic guy, so he doesn't really talk as often, and when he does, it's like to randomly crack a joke. The family all had a dream, and we all were trying our best to achieve it. And it's kind of interesting to look back on it because it wasn't that long ago.

[Jay Shetty]

Did you ever watch King Richard with your family?

[Naomi Osaka]

I watched it by myself on the plane, and I thought it was really fascinating because it did feel a little familiar in some parts. And I think it's just like the goal of the whole family just trying their best. And it was really touching for me.

[Jay Shetty]

Was it something that really brought you all closer together when you were young?

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, I think. You know, but my family wasn't that big. It was just me and my sister and my mom and my dad. And growing up, we lived in New York, so I was around my grandma and my cousins at the time, but then we moved to Florida when I was like, eight or so, and then we didn't have any family members. I would definitely say we were extremely close.

[Jay Shetty]

Apart from your amazing fashion, how did Japanese culture and Haitian culture, how is it influenced and inspired you from a mindset perspective or even from a lifestyle perspective, what are the parts of it that still live and breathe in your life today.

[Naomi Osaka]

It's interesting to be asked questions like that because I feel like it's so hard to explain, but I think one of the biggest things that people may not know about Haiti or Haitian culture, I don't even know if it's a culture or just everyone's personality is like that, but they'll give, even though they have nothing to give. I don't want to say it's one of my favorite parts, but it's one of the most touching parts whenever I go to Haiti. Like, everyone's just so excited to interact and, you know, be as hospitable as possible and just show their love and appreciation for people coming to Haiti and people that love Haiti. So I try to incorporate that in my own way, in my own personality. And then, of course, for the Japanese side, I think this one's going to be a little funny, but I think Japan's very strict. Not strict, but very prompt. And I think one of the funniest things was that one of my trainers said that it's funny that you go to different countries and the bus time is 10, and the bus can leave at 10:03, but in Japan, when it's at 10, it leaves at 10. So, yeah. Trying to be very on task.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, no, I. I love learning about different cultures or as you said, communities, traits. And I mean, that what you just said about giving, even when you don't have something to give, I mean, that's really powerful and really beautiful and. And. And it's tough as well. It's hard as well, when. When someone's actually having to go through that and that generosity. It's so interesting, isn't it? Like, I always think, we think when I have more, then I'll give more. And actually it's almost like, no, if I can give what I have today, then. Then I'll continue to give. And I remember being exposed to that culture in India as well. And I think Asian and South Asian places, definitely places I visited, have some of that culture. And the orderly and promptness and the discipline definitely makes sense. So you've got that perfect yin and yang of being impulsive and disciplined. What's the most disciplined thing you do every day?

[Naomi Osaka]

Right now this is gonna sound a little unhinged, not eating rice, which is really difficult for me because.

[Jay Shetty]

Explain.

[Naomi Osaka]

I just feel like as a Asian and Caribbean person, like rice is such a staple in both foods and both cultures, but I'm trying to be really strict with myself and really disciplined and not eating Any rice is definitely the most disciplined thing that I have to do right now.

[Jay Shetty]

I love that. Is rice usually like a daily. Like, usually like a daily staple?

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, you know, like a couple spoonfuls here and there.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. So now no rice. How long has it been?

[Naomi Osaka]

It's honestly been a couple of weeks, so I'm hoping to keep this up until Australia.

[Jay Shetty]

That's amazing. That's. That's awesome. I know what that feels like when you're, like, trying to swear off my. My big thing. Sugar. I'm just, like, constantly trying to stare sugar. And it's so hard because I've. I've been addicted to sugar in the past.

[Naomi Osaka]

Oh, so you have a sweet tooth.

[Jay Shetty]

I have a big sweet tooth like you. You put anything with chocolate in front of me, and it will be devoured. It's like my favorite thing in the world. But I've. I've been building a healthier relationship with sugar. It's. It's been pretty tough, but I've got there as well. And what about the other side? What's something that you kind of get spontaneously the urge to do right now? What are some of the more impulsive things you end up doing right now?

[Naomi Osaka]

One of my favorite things to do is, like, go for a drive at nighttime. Sometimes when I do that, people like to race. So sometimes I may or may not potentially end up racing them as well. I don't know. It's kind of one of my guilty pleasures because I feel like you. You get to see a crowd of people that you don't typically see, especially on the LA highways. Yeah, I would say that's probably one of the last impulsive things I've done.

[Jay Shetty]

That is. That is brilliant. I'm so glad I asked the question. Do you have a really cool car as well, potentially? I love that I'm the person who avoids the race. So. I used to be like that in my teenage years. I loved it if someone wanted to race me. And it's so funny because I have a much faster car today than I did when I was a teenager. But I remember when I was a teenager, I would race anyone, even if I was driving my little Vauxhall Corsa, which is like. If I showed you a picture of the car later on, you'd laugh. It's like this really old model. I'd race anyone. I don't care what they were driving. Now I avoid the race. Do you usually win?

[Naomi Osaka]

I. I tell myself I have no choice, so. Honestly, though, I do feel you on, like, avoiding the race. Now, because I think as I've gotten older, I've become a lot more safe. Like, for example, when I was young, turbulence on airplanes used to excite me. I used to think. Think of them as, like, free roller coaster rides. But now I do get a little worried sometimes because I think of my daughter and all the things that I want to do with her when she grows up. So, yeah, when people start driving past a certain level of crazy, then I'm like, okay, you got it.

[Jay Shetty]

Do these people know that they're racing against Naomi Osaka or. No, you're like, tinted windows. They can't tell who they're racing.

[Naomi Osaka]

My windows are very, very tinted, so.

[Jay Shetty]

They have no idea that they just got beat by.

[Naomi Osaka]

They wouldn't be able to see me. They would. The dust.

[Jay Shetty]

You're like. You're like. They're not even close. Yeah, I love that. That's. That's so funny. It's. It's amazing how there. There's certain things that we all need as an outlet and to be impulsive about and just kind of let go. And do you think that when you were working up to win, you know, the first US Open that you did at, like, 20 years old, was your life very different then? Like, could you have impulse or was the preparation for that so strategic and focused and develop? What was that like?

[Naomi Osaka]

Every day kind of looked the exact same to the point where I could predict where I'm gonna be at a certain minute. So in that regard, my life has definitely changed a lot. Preparation is pretty much the same. The will to win is the same. And I would think the impulses are also the same. The outlets are just different.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, interesting.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

How did you express your impulses at that time? How did they come through and how were they alive?

[Naomi Osaka]

I used to be chronically online, so I used to play a lot of video games. I used to read a lot of manga or fake online shop. So I'd put things in my cart and just never buy them. And I would say, yeah, I guess the impulse would be to, like, buy them. But yeah, I think, you know, now, obviously, I don't play games as much because I don't have that much time for it, but. Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

How does that work when you fill your cart with stuff and then don't buy it? Like, walk me through that.

[Naomi Osaka]

It's like you go into a mall and you're window shopping.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. So. Right.

[Naomi Osaka]

I find it funny sometimes because I like to go to stores that have, like, vintage or, like, one of one items, and I get so mad when people buy what's in my cart. Like, wow, how dare you?

[Jay Shetty]

But you weren't gonna buy it anyway.

[Naomi Osaka]

No, but it's nice to know it's there in case I do have an impulse.

[Jay Shetty]

I love that. What. What was the feeling like when you won your first Grand Slam at the US Open? Such a young age. Like, what was that feeling? Like, I think I even have this picture. Like, when you see that. Can you see that? Or is it. Are you squinting now? I'm squinting, but I can, you know. Yeah.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

What. What was that feel?

[Naomi Osaka]

Do you know? I think when I was growing up, I had dreams of playing Serena in my first Grand Slam final, if even a Grand Slam final. So it felt like a dream came true, but at the same time, like, all the circumstances surrounding that, that was not a dream come true. And it was. I don't know, like, some people didn't think it was, like, a clean victory. And I felt like I had to constantly prove people wrong. And, you know, that situation was a little unfortunate, but I'm glad I won the Australian Open right after that. But in that moment, it was a very, very strange mixture of emotions.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. It's so hard when it was happening recently, actually. I don't know if you follow soccer at all, and I'm a big soccer fan. And Pep Guardiola, who's the manager of Manchester City, and he's probably one of the best managers of all time in the sport of soccer, internationally, and he's on his worst run ever. So he's just lost seven games in a row, and he's never done that in his entire career. In his whole career, he's never lost more than, I think, two games in a row. This is the first time his team, He's a manager, has lost seven games in a row. And the opposition, on the weekend, literally just this weekend that just went by, they were shouting, you're gonna get sacked in the morning. And so, you know, and he was reacting to that. He's. He's truly, like, he's in the top two discussion of the best coaches in soccer of all time. And he was receiving that treatment. And it's really interesting because you watch even someone, like, again, I'm using soccer examples because that's a sport I know well. But, I mean, even Novak, who, you know, is a good friend, he's been on the show, like, the amount of stress that he receives from the fans and the audience as well, like, he hasn't had the easiest road. What did you turn to in that moment because you've just won something, but there's all that feeling. How do you kind of reconcile that? And now when you're looking back, how have you kind of processed that?

[Naomi Osaka]

You know what's funny is if you asked me this like three years ago, I definitely would have started crying.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, wow.

[Naomi Osaka]

For a very long time. Time. I didn't process it because I didn't want to. Just. I'm the type of person that I'll keep my head down and just keep working hard and, you know, hopefully I'll get to where I want to be. But for that being the first Grand Slam and that kind of being the introduction into like, the world for non tennis fans, it was definitely really difficult for me. And I think no amount of media training could have, like, processed me for that.

[Jay Shetty]

Why would you have cried three years ago?

[Naomi Osaka]

I just have this very vivid memory of winning. Going back to my hotel and the US Open is special because you kind of get back to your hotel if you have a night match at like 1am or something like that.

[Jay Shetty]

It's crazy. Yeah.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah. Doing treatment because I was going to go play a tournament in Tokyo right after that and I was just reading comments of people saying that I didn't deserve to win or like I didn't win fairly. And I don't know, it just. It just really sucked. Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. No, that's really fair. I mean, I don't think that would ever be a good feeling. The worst. Did you speak to Serena after that as well?

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, she was actually really kind and sent me a message and I sent her a message back. But I always get so starstruck by her. Like, I wrote my third grade report on her. Wow. I just remember getting the message and being like, no way. And then sending a response and immediately putting it on mute because I just couldn't handle.

[Jay Shetty]

What was the report about?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think the school was asking, like, who's your role model and why is the person your role model and stuff like that.

[Jay Shetty]

What did you write? Do you remember?

[Naomi Osaka]

I. I mean, I think I wrote like my role model, Serena, and then I had like, like cut out like a little printed photo of her because she's the greatest tennis player of all time and, you know, she's like an amazing role model figure for me and stuff like that.

[Jay Shetty]

I love that. And then did you guys. Have you guys met since then and spoken since then as well?

[Naomi Osaka]

We've met since then. We've also played since then.

[Jay Shetty]

So what was that like playing her again and then meeting her again?

[Naomi Osaka]

After that, I think I've played her like two or three times after that. And the most recent time was like the second Australian Open that I won. But prior to the Australian Open we were having like the COVID lockdown in Australia. So I was a part of the same group she was. And her daughter was there and I was still super starstruck. I think I'll always be starstruck by her. But she asked me if I could take a photo with her daughter and I felt so honored. I was like, wow, of course I will.

[Jay Shetty]

That's awesome. Wow, what a special feeling. I love that. For your hero to then be asking you to take a picture with their daughter, that's pretty epic. How does that feel to young Naomi?

[Naomi Osaka]

Very unbelievable. But also now after having my daughter, I realize how important it is to have good role models. And I'm. I don't know, I'm glad that I potentially am one to somebody.

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[Jay Shetty]

Thanks for taking a moment for that. Now back to the discussion. I think it's the best feeling in the world when your heroes live up to the versions of them you had in your mind. I feel like I've been so fortunate to meet so many of my heroes and you know, they've, they've lived up to it and I feel like I'm always excited to meet my heroes. Now I know that old cliche of never meet your heroes. I'm not sure. I think meeting some of them has been one of the best experiences. Some of the best experiences in my life at least. Sounds like yours too. How's your life changed for you from the inside? Becoming a mother and you know, like you said, just living this disciplined, focused every day kind of looks like the same. Building up to win, you know, four grand slams and now, you know, living a very different life. I'm guessing every day is definitely not the same. Like what's changed for you? How's that affected your identity and even self perception?

[Naomi Osaka]

Becoming a mother has definitely changed my life a lot. Internally I feel I've become a lot more patient and also in a weird way more carefree. I think there is a lot of things that used to bother me in the past or I used to hold on to and now I just kind of see Them as, I don't know, pointless. Maybe pointless is a little bit too big of a word, but like what? Huh? You always put me on the spot. Huh?

[Jay Shetty]

You said you like winging it, so I'm giving you lots of. Every time I ask you one of these questions, you give an amazing answer. So I'm like, trying. Yeah, just trying to play tennis with you right now. The harder shot I give you, the better you give it back.

[Naomi Osaka]

So I think you won this rally.

[Jay Shetty]

I'll take that. I'll take it.

[Naomi Osaka]

One of the biggest things for me was that my whole identity as I knew it was being a tennis player. So I would, I guess, value my, my life or what my value was as a person on whether I won or lost. And now, I don't know. I'm not saying being a mother is my entire being, but I see that there's so much more to life and there's so much that I'm able to, I guess, give to another person in regards to how they feel. Like my daughter, she smiles so much when I'm around her and it just makes my day. So. So I no longer really feel like, you know, my life is over if I lose a tennis match or something like that.

[Jay Shetty]

It's actually quite profound to hear that because I can imagine that when you work that hard at something and you become as good as you are at that thing, it becomes really natural for you to put all your self worth and all your self esteem into it. And then now your whole life revolves around it. The way people speak to you, the way people introduce you, the way, you know, every conversation becomes about that. How have you detached from like, being ranked number one and then being like, well, now my life is moving. Like, has that been a part of that? How do you, how do you detach and disconnect from that kind of strong identity and how it was made?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think it's been a series of learning events and I can't necessarily name to you what happened because in some ways I feel like I just woke up one day and this clicked, or I just woke up another day and another thought clicked. I feel like I've been really fortunate to have, I guess, people that care about me and they've kind of reinforced the idea that, you know, this isn't the, like, main factor of your life. Yes. This has helped you, like, be in positions, like sitting here right now talking to you, but it's not, not your entire self worth.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. I think that's such a powerful message and I hope everyone hears that, you know, loud and clear. I think it's so easy. You're reminding me of an episode we did with Kevin Hart. And Kevin was talking about how at one point, he just thought he was, like, unstoppable and unbeatable, and it led to him making so many bad decisions. And he was talking about how the best thing he did was to. Not in these words, but paraphrasing, like, embracing his own insignificance, like, recognizing that one day he wouldn't be who he is and that that would be okay, too. And it's. It's so interesting because I feel like we're all trying to get to that place, that we're all trying to get to this place of, like, I'm already enough and I'm okay. And you. I feel like writing and journaling is such a big part of who you are. Like, even hearing about your school report thought and then the post you put up, like, three days ago. And when I read that, I just thought, wow, you're so reflective. You're so thoughtful. Like, is that a habit that you've had? Obviously, that was something you shared publicly, but just that habit of being able to explain your thoughts and connect them in that way, is that something you do often? Is that a habit you've built over time?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think it started when I was a early teenager, maybe. And ironically, I used to hate writing because I remember my English teachers kind of failing me almost because my grammar was always incorrect. So, I don't know, I used to try to avoid things that I knew I wasn't good at, and writing was one of them. But I think one day I wanted to get my words out. And I'm honestly not the greatest speaker. I kind of title myself that. So I wanted to get my words out in the way that. That I wanted to convey myself. And writing was the easiest tool for that. So it just kind of built up over the years.

[Jay Shetty]

Do you write daily? Is journaling, like, a daily practice?

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, I try to write daily. I try to write my thoughts, what I feel or what I'm grateful for, what I've learned this day.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow. Did you. Do you journal in the morning or the evening? So have you already journaled today or.

[Naomi Osaka]

It kind of changes, like, depending on my mood, depending if I'm running out the door and I'm late for practice.

[Jay Shetty]

Was what you shared 3 days ago part of your journaling practice? And then how do you decide when you write something, whether to share it publicly or whether to hold it in for yourself?

[Naomi Osaka]

So what I wrote three days ago was like a little snippet of a book that I'm writing that I don't even know if I am doing a disservice to books by calling it a book, but I would say that it's kind of my ramblings. I tend to think things through in my own head a lot, and it's definitely much clearer for me if I write it down and see it. And I don't know. I think the way I decide to post it publicly or share it publicly is if I feel internally it would help someone.

[Jay Shetty]

You should definitely write that book. It definitely. I found it to be very introspective. But at the same time, when you sometimes read someone's journal entry, it only makes sense to them. But it made sense to me, too. And so I think being able to relate to it in that way is what made it a dialogue. Like, I felt like I was invited into the conversation and invited into what you were trying to share. And I think the first line of what you said was, you know, the cringe is coming. There's no cringe. So you said, growing up, I never really liked myself. And then you went on to say, while that statement is bold, I also wouldn't say I disliked myself. And I found that really interesting. I want to hear your thoughts on that. Because I never thought my life was easy, but I never thought my life was hard. I just knew it was my life. That's how I've always felt growing up. So when you said that, that's what I thought of. Why were you intrigued in sharing that? And what were you reflecting on there?

[Naomi Osaka]

Honestly, I was kind of reflecting on what you just said. Like, growing up, we would be constantly on the tennis court, and I would watch other kids go to summer vacation or not have to shovel the snow off the court to hit tennis balls. And I would always think, dang, like, I kind of want to be someone else, but at the same time, like, I love my mom. I love my dad. I love my sister. I kind of like my life. You know, I think it's a really weird, like, thought process. And I think especially growing up and seeing tabloids, seeing pop singers thinking, wow, like, their life must be so perfect. I. I'd rather prefer to be them than to be me right now. And then eventually getting to the point where you, like, mature and you grow up and you're so grateful for the life that you have. So it was kind of accumulation of years.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Can you sing.

[Naomi Osaka]

If we're doing karaoke and it has to be a very specific song.

[Jay Shetty]

Well, what's your karaoke song?

[Naomi Osaka]

I really love Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, wow. Okay. That's not an easy one either. Okay, we're gonna have to go karaoke one time so I can hear that.

[Naomi Osaka]

Okay. Only in Tokyo, though.

[Jay Shetty]

Only in Tokyo. What are the karaoke places like in Tokyo?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think they're really fun. Like, some people take it very seriously. So I've seen videos online of people being in there for hours just practicing their. Their vocal training.

[Jay Shetty]

So you need a karaoke party to hear this. I. I feel like I'm mentally scarred from going to karaoke because I worked at a company after I worked at a company in, what, 2013. And as part of the training, we went to Chicago, and we went to a karaoke bar. So there's a bunch of Brits in Chicago at this karaoke bar, and all the girls were doing karaoke. The guys were kind of trying to act cool. I can't sing to save my life, and none of my friends could either. So we were trying not to, you know, get too involved. And then one of our friends grew up. Shout out to Ollie. Who? I'm not friends. I'm not in touch with him anymore. But anyway, this guy called Ollie from work turns up and he decides to sing Hound Dog Elvis. And he's, like, dancing with the waitress. He's, like, pulling the chair off. He's, like, doing all this stuff. And all of the boys were scarred. We're like, we can never go and do karaoke ever again because he was so good. Shout out, Ollie, if you're listening, we. Wherever you are, you are amazing at karaoke. What I find so interesting about that reflection. That's where it came from. We were talking about your post is just the way there was one thing that you said. I want to pick another thing that really. That really stood out to me. In my mind, everyone was on a racetrack, and I had an immense fear of being lapped or falling behind. And then you say, strangely enough, there are still moments today where I feel like I'm behind. That thought might never truly go away, even though I know how absurd it is. Have you made peace with the idea that you don't think that thought will ever go away?

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

How did you do that?

[Naomi Osaka]

I don't know. It used to bother me a lot. Like, I always used to compare myself to people, and I think, especially being a tennis player, you count titles, you count wins, and you kind of size yourself up against other people your age or in your division. And I'd always feel like constantly on this race of, like, who's better, who's going to be better, who's not doing as well? And that's kind of transferred, I guess, onto me as a person. It's definitely gotten a lot better. But I feel like, for me, it's kind of on the same line as being very competitive. I'm a very competitive person, so I don't think I'll ever truly not try to size myself up against other people.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, it's. It's that weird balance, isn't it? It's like, how do you stay competitive and also be content because you don't want to be lost being so competitive that your competitiveness becomes constant comparison. And we always hear the old cliche of, well, compete against your old self. Do you find that to be true now that you're playing tennis again after being a mom? Like. Like, is that something you're having to do, or do you disagree and you actually think it is still about being competitive on the court?

[Naomi Osaka]

You know what's funny is I think I spent most of this year chasing my old self or my former shadow, and I don't necessarily think that's the way to go. I think, you know, you were who you were, and now you're a more beautiful, more mature version of that. And it would kind of be doing your own self a disservice to constantly compare. And. I don't know, I think there's beauty in stepping into the present and looking towards the future, so I no longer compare myself to my old version. And I. I don't know, I. I try to find myself more excited for what I could be.

[Jay Shetty]

What does that look like? Sometimes when you kind of get into that, what's pulling you? What vision comes to mind?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think the vision that comes to mind isn't necessarily like winning as many trophies as I can, which. That would be great, and I am hopeful that that will happen in the future. But I guess being happy to learn more, to meet new people, to learn from them, and just learn more about myself throughout those journeys, I find that as a tennis player, I'm quite stubborn. So it's very hard for me to take advice from someone that I don't trust. And in actuality, like talking to people, I kind of learn new things or learn new tips and tricks.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. What do you wish you knew about motherhood before you became a mother?

[Naomi Osaka]

You know, it's funny, I don't think there's really anything that can prepare you for being a mom like I read so many books and nothing really took me me by surprise because I read so many books.

[Jay Shetty]

Any good ones you recommend or any advice that really stood true.

[Naomi Osaka]

So something you wish to know? I wish to know that after a certain age, the baby will just poo in the tub and you're just gonna have to accept it. And my daughter, I remember there was. There was one night she did a number two in the tub, and she looked at me, she screamed, she said, yucky. And she walked away from it while, like, expecting me to pick it up. And I was like, okay, I guess that's fine. Like, we're just gonna clean this up and restart the bath. So, yeah, I guess that's something I wish I knew. And then what was the other question?

[Jay Shetty]

No, no, I was saying if there was a book or something, advice from a book that stood true, and that really helped.

[Naomi Osaka]

Before you give birth, you could have, like, a birthing class. So I did that. And while I was in labor, I did absolutely none of those tips and tricks. So, yeah, I feel like also with motherhood or with pregnancy, everyone's journey is so different.

[Jay Shetty]

What was the process like going from giving birth to then getting back on the court, even back to training? Not even a game, but, like, to get back to training. What did that look like for you?

[Naomi Osaka]

It was really difficult just because for me, with my daughter, while I was pregnant, I was constantly sick. And the only way I could alleviate that is through, like, eating stuff to, like, settle the stomach pain. So I ended up gaining a lot of weight, so I really needed to burn that off. And I'm the type of person that I'll train during pregnancy, even though people have half and half opinions on that. So I ended up training, I would say, almost up until she was born. And then immediately after, like, maybe seven to 10 days, I started training again.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Naomi Osaka]

And I know that caused a little bit of a stir online, but I don't know, I think, you know, my body's used to training because I've done that since I was super young. And I wouldn't recommend it to, I guess, people that don't work out often.

[Jay Shetty]

But what was the kind of stir on?

[Naomi Osaka]

Like, it was just people saying that I need to heal more and stuff like that. But actually, like, after I gave birth, I remember the nurse asking me if I needed, like, a wheelchair to the bathroom, and I had to convince her that I was fine and I could walk around by myself and stuff like that. So I just feel like bodies are very different.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, it's it's so interesting how we still feel we can tell people what to do and when it's right for us to know what's right for them. And. And this kind of view of like, oh, well, I know what's best for you right now without living and walking in your shoes. You've. You've experienced a lot of that, like, kind of like snapback culture and that feeling of, like, people kind of. You know, I've seen some interviews where I just felt. I felt embarrassed for the person asking you, but I felt worse for you that someone would even ask you questions like that. And you're awesome, because you will just call them out and you're not worried about, like, you know, know, making it known. How. How have you got good at doing that? Because I think so many people would get scared or be shy or be. But you, you know, you're okay with the fact of, like, hey, I don't think that's a great question to ask, you know, which I respect.

[Naomi Osaka]

I don't know. I feel like my personality type is very honest. Like, I. I pride myself on being very straightforward and honest, and that's kind of what's gotten me in trouble quite a couple times. But I guess when we're doing a press conference, I see the people on the other side of the table as human humans. And I would say that's also where the line started to get blurred for me a little bit, is because I've been doing press conferences since I was, like, 16, 17, and then obviously when I became to. When I began to become a little bit more known, more and more people entered those press conferences, and I felt like they weren't treating me like I was a human. It was more like, let's ask her a question to get this, like, one liner or this article grab. So that's kind of where I started to become a little bit fearful. I think people can see that I became a little bit more closed off.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Which is natural. I mean, going back to what we were talking about with King Richard, I still remember that scene where, like, her dad has to stop the interviewer from asking her those questions because he's like, she's like 15 years old. And. And it's interesting, you know, the kind of questions that I think a lot of, like I said, athletes, managers, coaches get asked, and we've seen a lot of athletes in the past 12 months. I feel like, really, there was a Yanis who came out and he, you know, I think they were like, oh, well, what is it going to Be like, when you don't win the championship this year. And he was like, well, do you get promoted every year? He's like, you don't. So you know, we're not going to win the championship every year. And that doesn't mean. I mean, we failed. How have you. We talked about you comparing yourself to others, but when people from the outside are comparing you to other people, how have you dealt with that? Like, how have you kind of processed that?

[Naomi Osaka]

It's easy to think about. Like, for me, I can brush that off quite easily because I know it's my life and I'm living it. I know that the decisions that I make are going to be very different to other people's decisions. And I don't know. It's. It's. No one can ever predict someone else's path. I just realized, like, some people will understand that and some people won't, and it's not my job to convince people of that. But at the same time, I guess seeing comparisons is hard because you can wonder. I guess I think for me, the most dangerous thing is the. The wonder. I wonder if they're right or I wonder if, you know, I wonder how they're seeing things like that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. It's so natural and so real. I literally had a friend reach out to me yesterday, and she was just like, jay, I've. I've got this really big launch coming up in. In my life, in her career. And she was like, but I was watching one of my friends and he had his big launch event, and then I was comparing mine to his. And, you know, and. And I think it's something we all do. I know. I do it, too, too. Like, it's such a natural thing. And I loved what you said earlier, that it's just a thought. You have to make peace with that. The thought's going to come up like, we're not going to be able to get away with that thought. We're not going to be able to avoid that thought. And it's what we do with that thought and it's how we respond to it that makes all the difference. And this desire for that thought to never appear and to never happen again, that's what kind of causes us so much tension. It's almost like the day we accept that you can't avoid a thought, even if it's not peaceful, is the day you find peace. Because you just realize that you can't keep resisting it and you can't push it away. And then all of a sudden, it loses its power on you. I don't if that resonates or makes sense at all.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, I would say it definitely makes sense. I think even trying to avoid a thought makes it much stronger for me. I found myself often trying to meditate when I have a lot of thoughts. I love listening to ocean noises or rain. I think water has a very powerful effect on me. And I don't try to push thoughts away. I try to welcome them and not solve them, but figure out why they're coming in an abundance.

[Jay Shetty]

When did you start meditating?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think honestly before my first U.S. open win.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

How did you get introduced to it?

[Naomi Osaka]

I didn't really get introduced to it. I just began noticing, like, I really enjoyed rainy days and I began wondering what was the cause of that and why did it cause me so much peace? And I knew Grand Slams were particularly first rounds. They were very stressful. And so I just started listening to rain noises, I guess, the night before matches.

[Jay Shetty]

How does it feel living in LA when we don't get a lot of rain?

[Naomi Osaka]

That doesn't bother me that much. I used to live in Florida and we would get like random rainstorms and I don't know, it was fun, but it was also a little bit chaotic for practice.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Yeah, it's. I love that self awareness of being able to connect rainy days to water sounds and. And rain sounds. The thing think. Yeah, it's so interesting. It's. I. I love water sound too. I find it so soothing and calming and. And beautiful. And it's such an interesting thing. I was. The fact that you never got introduced to meditation but were able to come to it of your own self, of recognizing what you, you know, what connects with you and what makes you feel calm. That's pretty awesome. Is it something you still practice now or has it evolved at all?

[Naomi Osaka]

No, it's definitely something I practice now. I have an app on my phone that also does brain wave. So while having the water noises and I listen to it every night, we've.

[Jay Shetty]

Been talking a lot about, like, disconnecting and detaching from previous versions of ourself. You've talked about how, like, getting your mom to, like, you know, not work as hard was such a big goal for wanting to become a successful tennis player. What was it like when you reached that goal when you could actually relieve her of all that pressure?

[Naomi Osaka]

It was a very joyful day, but at the same time, it was a little difficult for me because it was a goal that I've set for myself since I was very young and I almost felt a little lost. Like I had to immediately set a new goal for myself. I mean, it was awesome to see her not work anymore, but just that, like, immediate race to set a new goal for myself and to set a new standard was something that I struggled with for maybe a couple days.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I mean, I can imagine it being harder than that because I feel like that's such a strong. Why, like, such a strong purpose of wanting your mom not to have to work that hard. And that has so much meaning to it. It has so much gravitas to it. Often goals are like, oh, I want to win something or I want to get somewhere. And then when you make it about service or helping your mother or helping someone, it almost gets so much deeper. I can imagine it's really hard to find a goal that deep again. Again. Have you been able to find a new goal that feels that deeply rooted again?

[Naomi Osaka]

Not really. I. I think for me, most of my childhood was wanting my mom to stop working because I rarely saw her unless it was dinner time. It was, in a way, I think, me trying to see my mother more often. And once I accomplished that, then it became more winning or making history or being the first Asian number one. Stuff like. And obviously, yeah, they mean a little more shallow but still meaningful. But, yeah, I think now, you know, I, I do have meaningful goals. Maybe they're just not as touching as, you know, retiring my mom, but I'd love for my daughter to reach an age where she can see me play and kind of understand everything that's going on.

[Jay Shetty]

You have to keep playing.

[Naomi Osaka]

I definitely have to keep playing for a little while longer, but I think, you know, I've learned so much throughout the year, so I'm excited to learn more.

[Jay Shetty]

Are you excited for her to get on the court? Would you like her to play as well?

[Naomi Osaka]

People ask me this all the time and I think before I had her, I said definitely not. But I think now, like, you know, if she's interested about the sport, I'd want her to learn. And she has a racket that she loves to swing around.

[Jay Shetty]

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[Jay Shetty]

All right, thank you to our sponsors. Now let's dive back in. When you were going through your, when you announced that you weren't going to play and you took your break from tennis and competitive tennis for, for some time, what were you actually dealing with? Like what, what were you actually experiencing from a mental health perspective? Like what, what did that look like? Like for you?

[Naomi Osaka]

I'd say the, the French Open break. What I was dealing with at the time, a lot of shame, which I talked to you about, like feeling embarrassed, feeling ashamed, like going against everything an athlete stood for, which is like, you know, fake it till you make it or don't show the other person, you know, any cracks in your armor. Honestly, just feeling very alone, I think. Tennis, of course, for me, I don't play double, so it's a solo sport and I don't necessarily have, you know, the most friends on tour, so I didn't really know what public reaction or reaction in general was. I remember after I pulled out of the French Open, I flew back home to LA and it just stayed in my house for maybe a week or two. And I didn't. I just like Instacart and Uber Eats everything because I didn't want to see the outside world So I would say going to the Olympics after that changed my mindset a lot because there were so many athletes that thanked me, and I felt so much shock because I. I didn't know that I was helping anyone. And I almost kind of went into the Olympics thinking, like, people are gonna, you know, think that I'm, like, the worst athlete of all time.

[Jay Shetty]

What was it that was weighing on you that even made you want to share the decision? Like, what. What were you going through that was so hard for you to play and perform at that time?

[Naomi Osaka]

Effy, the emotions at the time felt so heavy, and I'm trying to, like, recreate, you know, the exact emotions that led to the decision. But I remember I won the US Open, won the Australian Open, was trying my best to, like, win the French as well. And historically, I don't have, like, the best clay record, so a lot of press were asking me about that. And leading up into it, I wasn't doing amazing, but I wasn't doing terrible either. But I just was so stressed out going into the tournament that I didn't want to answer questions about it anymore because it was like a constant, everyday thing, and I just wanted to focus on, you know, what I could do. It just kind of got to a breaking point because I remember saying I wasn't going to do media, and then that kind of blew up in my face everywhere, and it became such a big deal, and I didn't know why. I just felt really bad because the tournament was very upset, and I kind of felt like, you know, like people weren't focusing on the tennis anymore. It was just focusing on. On who's not doing press. Why is she not doing press? And so I just decided to leave.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that, by the way, because I think it's. Yeah. Just as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking about it. Like, when you look at movies, actors make a movie and then they do a press run, and you're talking about a movie that you've recorded, like, in the past or you filmed in the past. Music's the same. You record an album, then you go and talk about it. This is the opposite way. You're like. You're being asked about it. It before you go on the court, and then obviously after as well. And I can imagine, like, you just want to be focused. And I. I mean, you know, I don't do anything of any similar pressure, but I can think about even when I'm just going on stage to give a talk or a presentation or Even an interview like this. And I know how much I need my downtime and my personal time to prepare and get my mindset right. And this isn't a competition. It's not stressful in the way the games are, physically or mentally or anything. Anything. And so I. I can imagine that that becomes really difficult. Were there some athletes who. Were the athletes that came up to you and said something to you at the Olympics that made you feel a sense of. I mean, I think you already knew you did the right thing, but people who came and reminded you that it was definitely a good decision.

[Naomi Osaka]

A lot of, like, female athletes. I got a really nice message from other tennis players as well as well. And I felt like I went from feeling very alone to not feeling so alone at all. So it was. It was really nice.

[Jay Shetty]

Who'd be your ideal doubles partner if you did play?

[Naomi Osaka]

If I had to have a male doubles partner, Andre Agassi.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, wow.

[Naomi Osaka]

And then female, I would say Serena, but I would be very scared to let her down. Yeah. I would be of a part apologizing all the time. So. You know what? Venus, she's always been so incredibly kind.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, I love that. I love that. There must be some secret tennis society where you can make that happen when no one's watching, right? Like a. A private game, you know, potentially.

[Naomi Osaka]

But also, I feel like everyone's just, you know, living their lives.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

I. I once got to play a private game against Novak Djokovic, and. And I got distracted. Destroyed.

[Naomi Osaka]

I'm sorry. But I would have expected that.

[Jay Shetty]

I couldn't return. Yeah, obviously I couldn't return. I couldn't even return a serve. Like, I couldn't even get to it.

[Naomi Osaka]

Oh, really?

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, that's how bad I am.

[Naomi Osaka]

And he was going easy, too, probably.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I imagine so. He's. He's a nice guy. He was. He was, like, trying to coach me and help me out just for fun, but it was. It was an embarrassing day. You talked about loneliness and friendship, and I find any athlete who's on the road as much as a tennis player, Formula 11 races, soccer players, pretty much every. Every sport. There's so much travel involved. Like, how have you built friendships and how have you maintained friendships as it isn't a team sport, and I think team sports, we forget that there is a sense of camaraderie. At least you have two or three people that become close friends. But when you're playing a single sport, it's actually a lot more challenging to have that. What does your friend circle look like. And how has it evolved over time?

[Naomi Osaka]

Time, Honestly, I'm pretty lucky because even though I'm not playing a team sport, I still have a team around me. So, you know, like my trainer, my physio, my coach, my hitting partner, we all travel the world together. And I'm the type of person that it does take a while to open up, but I don't know, once I do open up, things might get a little crazy for me. That relationship with my team is very important, and it's helped me a lot over the years. And of course, I guess talking to my mom, talking to my big sister, keeping those relationships is super important.

[Jay Shetty]

You've said before that Kobe was a mentor for you as well, right? Kobe Bryant, who I was so grateful and honored to have a conversation with around five years ago now, sadly, before his tragic passing. And. And what was that relationship like for you? And why was it so important and powerful to you? How did you even meet?

[Naomi Osaka]

I met him because my agent. We were. I don't know, something had happened, and then we were talking about someone that would be a good mentor for me, and he just was like, okay, Kobe, I don't. In my head, that's how it went. There was probably, like, very, like, multiple steps to get. Get to Kobe. But, yeah, one day we were at his office, and me and him sat and talked for, like, two hours. And he's such a genuine guy, and it was just so easy and pleasant to talk to him. And that relationship was this something that I treasure a lot because I felt like he was my big brother and I could talk to him about sports advice and life advice and just things that were in my head.

[Jay Shetty]

Head. So, yeah. Was there a piece of advice that he gave you that stayed with you?

[Naomi Osaka]

Basically, I remember asked him once, like, how does he not pay attention to people's opinions? And then he was, like, referencing Animal Planet and saying, like, you have to be the lion, and the flies around your eyes are people's opinions, and you just have to focus and keep your eyes straight.

[Jay Shetty]

I love that.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

Do. Do you find new mentors now? Is looking for mentorship a part of. Of where you're at right now, or is it no time whatsoever?

[Naomi Osaka]

So I'm not necessarily sure I. I would consider anyone my mentor after him. And I feel like the word mentor is such a big one. I would love to have people to converse with. And it's also weird because when I think of mentor, I think of someone that's, like, older than me, and I would love to have one. I just, you know, don't really know if. How I would approach that. Yeah, maybe I would ask my agents.

[Jay Shetty]

He seems to know. He seemed to figure it out last time.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, I'm kind of more interested in, like, trying to be a mentor to someone. I know that, you know, my path wasn't exactly the smoothest, but I would hope that the younger generation could maybe learn a thing or two.

[Jay Shetty]

If you were coaching someone or mentoring them, what would be a piece of advice that you'd want to pass on to them? Or what's something that you feel. Feel you'd really want to instill in them?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think it would go back to, like, the Haitian. The Haitian way of, like, giving, even though, you know, I think human nature a little bit is to be selfish. Recently, I've kind of dealt with or overcome the feeling of the fear of being forgotten. And I think in that way, we kind of tend to keep things close to the vest. And for me, I think sharing is caring and just trying to make the world better for the. The kids that come after us.

[Jay Shetty]

I really believe that we're wired for generosity, but educated for greed. And that selfishness comes in because society encourages you to want to get, to achieve, to get somewhere, when actually your essence is trying to just be and live and experience and learn and heal. It's almost like there's two tracks, and I think we're on both of them, but I think often we just get onto one of them and it becomes about achieving and winning, which is important, but you get away from the being, living and experiencing, and it's. It's like, how do you make sense of both of those? And you're right. Having mentors is such a beautiful way to kind of follow in the footsteps of someone who's been there, done that, and. And had to think about those things earlier than you.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

But it seems like you still talk to your family a lot. Got your team, as you said, you're surrounded by them a lot. Who's the person you spend the most time with right now when you're not on the court and not thinking about tennis? And what do you. What's like. What's something you do when you're not playing or not preparing?

[Naomi Osaka]

Currently, the person I spend the most time with is my daughter.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, of course. You said she's one year and five months.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yes, and she's teaching me a lot how to put my foot down, because she definitely puts her foot down. The person I spend the most time with, maybe either my boyfriend or My trainer. Because my trainer is with me like a very, very long time out of the day. He's a funny guy.

[Jay Shetty]

Why is your trainer a funny guy?

[Naomi Osaka]

Can I ask you, what is your zodiac sign?

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I'm a Virgo.

[Naomi Osaka]

Oh yeah, he's a Virgo too.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay, all right. Okay. So now I'm a funny guy too.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

What date's his birthday, do you know?

[Naomi Osaka]

I think August. No, September. September 8th.

[Jay Shetty]

I'm September 6th.

[Naomi Osaka]

Oh, okay.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay, carry on. Now continue. So, yeah, I'm thick skinned. It's all right. You can say what you like.

[Naomi Osaka]

I don't know, I feel like Virgos are very like they want to be perfectionists or they are perfectionists and it's just funny to interact with him and you know, like I, when I get comfortable with people, I goof around a lot and I love seeing him get frustrated about it a little bit. But yeah, it's just nice because I find Virgos to be very knowledgeable in their fields.

[Jay Shetty]

Well, that's very kind. Thank you. No, I've definitely learned over the years to give up that perfectionism. I've learned that and my wife's been a big impact for that for sure because she's such a goofball and so I've always said I'm the kind of person that takes life too seriously and my wife doesn't take life seriously at all. It's rubbed off on each other and it's been, it's been good to lose that kind of. Yeah, but, but I definitely still have moments of it, for sure. Like I can't be late. I. I have such a thing about being late. It upsets me so much and definitely I like things in order and I like things to be in their place. And that's all very, very true. So me and you, me and your trainer would get along, I guess. Maybe. Maybe. When's your biggest birthday?

[Naomi Osaka]

October. So Libra.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay. October what day?

[Naomi Osaka]

16Th.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay. Do you have a special ritual that you like to celebrate your birthday with or anything that comes around or not really.

[Naomi Osaka]

Usually I'm in Tokyo around those dates, but if I'm not at a tournament, I prefer to be like on the beach somewhere. So I think that's my ritual. I think now, obviously with the birth of my daughter, I'd love to always have her around.

[Jay Shetty]

Is the beach your happy place or is that just vacation?

[Naomi Osaka]

It's my happy place. Like I go there to think or write things down or just to, I guess, have some joy.

[Jay Shetty]

Do you still go regularly now? Like, is that part of that's where.

[Naomi Osaka]

I race to my car.

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, really? Okay, got it. All right, so look for a tinted window card and go stand near a beach and you might get to race Naomi. I love that. I love that you have such an endearing personality. Like I love, love when. I love it when you think you're about to say something really like awkward or whatever it is that goes through your mind and then you laugh about it and then you share it, but it always turns out to be brilliant. Like it's. It's always funny and interesting and entertaining and what's allowed you to be comfortable in your own skin Lately I think.

[Naomi Osaka]

I'm very lucky because I've kind of been forced to be comfortable in my own skin. And I think that's due to like being a little bit different, I guess in general. Like, I'm Japanese, but maybe presenting. I don't look Japanese. So that's. When I was younger, that often caught people off guard. But for me, this is just, you know, this is just how I look. This is how I know that I am. And having both cultures is my way of life. And I've always felt very confident and comfortable with them. So I would say it's not necessarily something I've struggled with often, but I think also another phase of that is motherhood and trying to snap back with snapback culture. And I'm just, yeah, I guess loving myself. So self love.

[Jay Shetty]

I'm always fascinated by high performing individuals, like, who've played it, you know, in the top 1% of not only athletes, but then of your own sport. What does your routine look like on a game day? Like, how do you prep yourself? How do you get in the zone and what does that look like? You talked about meditation earlier and things, but what does an actual breakdown look like?

[Naomi Osaka]

This is where like the routine kicks in. So every day is kind of the exact same. I eat breakfast. Well, I wake up, up, meditate, take a shower, eat breakfast.

[Jay Shetty]

Specific breakfast.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah, always the same breakfast every time. Usually it'd be like smoked salmon, but I'm kind of off that phase right now. So. Yeah, go to the tournament site, do like light hitting and then change into my outfit, listen to music, do like a game prep and then warm up and play the match.

[Jay Shetty]

Do you sleep well before a big game?

[Naomi Osaka]

Depends how big it is. Yeah, I know before all of my finals, I didn't sleep as well, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I just remember waking up sweating. I don't think you're really supposed to Sleep well before moments like that.

[Jay Shetty]

I ask because I remember even having big interviews and things like that. When I say interviews, I mean when I was. Was being interviewed for being at companies, which seemed like an important part of my career at one point. I remember just never sleeping well. Like, the adrenaline's in my body. I'm, like, rehearsing in my head. But it's so important to playing well the next day to have rest and recovery and everything else. Was there any secret that you found to be able to sleep or at least be energetic the next day?

[Naomi Osaka]

Not really, but I found myself constantly playing the match in my head, in my dreams, the night before matches. So I felt like when the time actually came, I had already prepared myself for that, and it actually helped me out quite a lot.

[Jay Shetty]

If someone right now was, you know, going through depression or suffering from a mental health condition or experiencing something, and they're listening right now, and we know that our audience really turns to us in those times, and. And so many people have listened to episodes here that have helped them through really difficult times in their life. What would you say to them? What would you share with them?

[Naomi Osaka]

I don't ever claim to know answers, but I think when I was at really low moments of my life, I always felt like I was alone. So I would say, you're never alone. There's always going to be people that care about you way more than you think. And sometimes I think we hide it so well that we're struggling that they don't even know. So it's okay to ask for help, and you shouldn't ever feel shame for that.

[Jay Shetty]

I love that. Yeah, no, it's. It's always helpful hearing it from someone who's been through it. And. And I know our audience appreciates that a lot. Was there any specific healing method or technique or approach that really helped you? Especially getting over that shame, that guilt that.

[Naomi Osaka]

That.

[Jay Shetty]

That feeling you were carrying. Was there anything that helped?

[Naomi Osaka]

Honestly, I think just interacting with people, I tend to close myself off a lot, whether it's like being in my room by myself. So, yeah, just interacting with people, talking to my sister, and just realizing that there's a lot more to life than I. I know a few moments ago.

[Jay Shetty]

You were talking about how, like, there was this feeling of, you know, being forgotten and then taking a break. So, like, having the courage to take a break when you have the fear of being forgotten is probably one of the most courageous acts for anyone in the world, whatever they do. How have you kind of been able to make that decision and been able to reconcile that for yourself.

[Naomi Osaka]

Effy I think it's a process that's kind of been sped up by the events of my life. I feel like those two things are maybe something that should have been spread out throughout years, but I just happen to put it together. I don't know. I've won four Grand Slams. I've been very fortunate to light the Olympic torch. There's probably some more that my agent wants me to say, but I don't know. Those are the things that come to my mind, and I've, in a way, accomplished so much more than I thought I would, and I want to accomplish so much more. But at the same time, like, I needed to separate myself as a person. I. I think I told you I've been playing tennis since I was three, so that's the only identity I know of myself. And I needed the break to figure out who I was as a person. And now I hope I do, and I think I do, but I'm able to stand tall and be confident and, I don't know, be proud of myself for that.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I. I think that's greatest, the accomplishment. I really do. I. Hearing you speak today, and I'm just so excited for everyone who's going to listen to recognize that the day we're not defined by our careers is. It's so interesting how society became defined by what we do at one point. And the question became, well, what do you do? And then that's how we introduced ourselves. And even if you look at last names, at one point, they all became about a career, career, like baker and blacksmith and whatever. All these names became our last names because they were our occupation, and so they became our total identity. And it's so interesting to think about how even in today's society, our worth, our everything, is defined by what you do for a living. And so to be able to go beyond that as young as you are and as early as you are, it's. I think it's a really powerful place to be, and only good can come from it. So it's pretty remarkable.

[Naomi Osaka]

Thank you.

[Jay Shetty]

I love hearing that.

[Naomi Osaka]

Thanks for saying I'm young. I said, thanks for saying I'm young.

[Jay Shetty]

You are young. What is people making you feel old?

[Naomi Osaka]

You know, maybe I'm making myself feel old. I think that's it.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I don't think you're. How are you old.

[Naomi Osaka]

I think it's also like growing up in the tennis world. There's always constantly young people coming up. So I start feeling like a Grandma.

[Jay Shetty]

That'S a great point. That makes a lot of sense. I feel like if you're in an industry where everybody. Everyone's 18 or 19 or I guess in tennis cases, like three. Like, you said, you started three. I was like, of course you're going to feel ancient if everyone's starting at three years old. Naomi, it's been such a joy to talk to you today. Honestly, I've loved every moment of it. And I appreciate you being so open and funny and, like, this conversation was as. As playful as it was profound. And I loved that. When I felt like we were playing tennis, I was like, you know, I hope so. You said, I won one rally. So I'll take it.

[Naomi Osaka]

I think you won that one.

[Jay Shetty]

Okay.

[Naomi Osaka]

All right.

[Jay Shetty]

I'm going to say I won the set.

[Naomi Osaka]

Yeah.

[Jay Shetty]

No, I think you won the set.

[Naomi Osaka]

Oh, really?

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. Yeah, I think you won the set.

[Naomi Osaka]

What do you think the score was?

[Jay Shetty]

Oh, gosh. All right. No, you tell me what you think the score was.

[Naomi Osaka]

Let's get it really close. Seven, six.

[Jay Shetty]

Seven, six. All right. So you're going to let me go that far? I like that. I like that. Well, we end every episode with a final five. Five. These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

[Naomi Osaka]

Oh, wow.

[Jay Shetty]

And so, Naomi Osaka, these are your final five. The first question is, what's the best advice you've ever heard or received?

[Naomi Osaka]

Ah, wow. Does that count as my answer?

[Jay Shetty]

What's that saying? No. Whatever's the best advice.

[Naomi Osaka]

Best advice I've ever heard. Just be yourself.

[Jay Shetty]

Question number two. What's the worst advice you've ever heard? Or respect deceived?

[Naomi Osaka]

Just be yourself. I'm just kidding. What's the worst advice I've ever heard? It's like when people say, just smile, but, you know, sometimes I don't want to smile. Sorry, that was.

[Jay Shetty]

No, no, no, I get it. No, it's. I. I understand it. It's. It's a forced. It's a forced emotion. It doesn't work. You can't force either. Question number three. What's something you used to value that you don't value anymore?

[Naomi Osaka]

People's opinions? Because I think I. I don't know. I value my own opinion more. And I think I. I might have a better opinion because I'm living my life.

[Jay Shetty]

So question number four. What are you most excited for in the next 12 months?

[Naomi Osaka]

Seeing my daughter grow and returning and playing on tour to play more tournaments.

[Jay Shetty]

Which tournament do you get most excited about? Always.

[Naomi Osaka]

The Slams. I feel like they're they're so special.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah. I need to come watch you.

[Naomi Osaka]

You should.

[Jay Shetty]

Yeah, I'd love that. That would be awesome. Fifth and final question. We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone had to follow, what would it be?

[Naomi Osaka]

Do something good for, I guess, the younger generation or do something good for the person coming up after you.

[Jay Shetty]

You. That's a great law. I love that. I think you've definitely done that. You've genuinely. I I ever since I read your op ed and and learned about what you were doing to open up about mental health, I was like, I need to meet this human. I was in awe of what you used your platform to do. I think it's been incredible how it's given so many people permission, so many people the opportunity to actually not just smile and share how they actually feel. And I think it's sent ripples into not just the sports world, but beyond. And so I thank you so much for your service and what you've done for so many and I'm so grateful that you allowed me to interview today and thank you so much. Really appreciate it. If you love this episode, I need you to listen to one of my favorite conversations ever. It's with the one and only Tom Holland on how to overcome yourself social anxiety, especially in situations where you're not drinking and everyone else is. We talk about his sobriety journey and so much more. He gets really personal. I can't wait for you to hear it. It's going to blow your mind.

[Naomi Osaka]

The quote is, if you have a.

[Jay Shetty]

Problem with me, text me. And if you don't have my number, you don't know me well enough to have a problem with me.

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[Naomi Osaka]

This is an I Heart podcast.