My guest today is Jitske Kramer — corporate anthropologist, bestselling author, and one of the most original thinkers I've had on this show. We're getting into tricksters, liminality, and why the messy middle of change is exactly where we need to be having the conversations most people are too scared to have. The book is Tricky Times, and trust me — you need to read it.

Jitske Kramer is a corporate anthropologist, bestselling author, and founder of HumanDimensions who travels the world learning from healers, leaders, and innovators to bring those insights back to the world of leadership and collaboration. She is the author of Deep Democracy, Jam Cultures, and The Corporate Tribe (2016 Management Book of the Year), among others. Through keynotes and masterclasses, she challenges organizations to make the unfamiliar feel natural — and the familiar feel brand new.

Get a copy of her wonderful and underrated book Tricky Times: Navigating The Messy Middle of Change here: https://amzn.to/48jdK1L

Anthony Scaramucci is the founder and managing partner of SkyBridge, a global alternative investment firm, and founder and chairman of SALT, a global thought leadership forum and venture studio.

Pre-order my next book, All the Wrong Moves: How Three Catastrophic Decisions Led to the Rise of Trump, out on the 17th of September in the UK and the 22nd of September in the US: https://linktr.ee/anthonyscaramucci⁠

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