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The debate over Chareidi military service has become one of the most contentious issues in Israel today. It touches questions of national responsibility, Torah study, religious freedom, political power, social cohesion, and the very nature of the Jewish state. Since October 7, those questions have only become more urgent - and they are at the forefront of the current crisis in both Israeli government and society.

In this episode, I speak with Rav Shaya Karlinsky about how we can resolve the current impasse between much of the Chareidi community and the rest of Israeli society. We talked about the relationship between the Chareidi community and the IDF, the role of full-time Torah study in Israeli society, and what a workable long-term solution might look like. Rav Karlinsky argues that full-time Torah learners should continue receiving deferments, that Chareidim who are not learning full time should serve, and that the state must create and maintain frameworks that genuinely accommodate Chareidi religious commitments.

I suspect many listeners will agree with some of what Rav Karlinsky says and disagree with other parts. I certainly do. But regardless of where one stands, I believe that serious conversations require us to listen carefully to views that challenge our own, and I hope this discussion contributes to that effort.

Among other topics, we discuss whether Israel can maintain a world-class Torah community while meeting its military needs, why distrust has become such a central obstacle in this debate, the future of Chareidi service in both the army and sherut leumi, and what a healthier relationship between different sectors of Israeli society might look like.

This is not a debate. It is an attempt to understand a perspective that is often discussed, frequently criticized, and rarely heard in its fullest form.

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